#Change unique Illuvitar rewards for wave 3 Leaderboard

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crude meadow
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This is a quick thread to garner sentiment around the wave 3 leaderboard reward structure and obtaining insight into the options when changing the unique illuvitar rewards.

Example:
change the reward structure of unique Illuvitars from
top 1 for Adorius
top 5 for Rhamphites
top 25 for Jokull

To
Top 3 for Adorius
Top 10 for Rhamphites
Top 30 for Jokull

Please provide your preferred reward system in the form of:
Adorius rank / Rhamphite rank / Jokull rank
Along with a short rationale on why so that we can gain a quick overview of community sentiment and to draft a proposal shortly that is in line with your input.

Cheers,
Garf

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I'll go first:

1/10/30
I think the wave should only have a single winner. But due to the persistent bugs around leaderboard points, the rest of the rewards could have more wiggle room. Because of this I think we should not change Adorius rewards but could increase Rhamphite rewards from top 5 to top 10, and Jokull rewards from top 25 to top 30.

edit: If at all, I don't think it has to change. I can understand the frustration with the leaderboard system, but to me it makes no difference.
I'm just here to gather community sentiment as it's easy to get swayed by three loud voices 😄 if we don't get a significant amount of upvotes on this and the rationale consists of: "I'm now ranked 6, and i should have the Rhamphite!" Then that is reason to not go through with the proposal or decline it altogether.

vale shadow
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It was known since the Start of the wave if i'm not wrong.
People probably bought disks to get into specific Ranking to get exactly those rewards., changing that last Day is wrong imo.

Is it a good Change for Next wave? Maybe...
I Like that rank 1 gets it's 1/1 probably wouldn't Change that for Next wave

finite bronze
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I asked Garf to write this proposal, so it's a given that he's in favor.
The reasons are as follows:
1 a regulation has never been published;
2 it was never clear what was and wasn't worth the wave 3 ranking;
4 it was never clear whether T0s were counted or not;
5 many people didn't know that backgrounds and accessories were also considered;
6 the ranking has never worked correctly so no one has ever been able to really understand its position and therefore tie or buy based on it;
7 no one is sure (me first) that the correct points are these from the latest update and not those from the previous update;
8 I believe that it is not correct that those in position 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 receive the same prize as n. 25;

Ultimately I think this is the minimum, given that the investment between n.6 and n. 25 can't be compared.

for what is written above I feel cheated and I am not sure that the current ranking reflects the real positions.

For me it would be correct:

Top 3 for Adorius
Top 10 for Rhamphites
Top 25 or 30 for Jokull

violet grove
finite bronze
vale shadow
finite bronze
vale shadow
finite bronze
# vale shadow I can See for point 8 being a reason, but imo rather justifies a Change/improvem...

the reason is not only point 8, perhaps it is not clear that in a while no one will buy anymore... I wanted to leave before wave 3 because the issue of blocked rewards was not correct, etc. etc. then with the proposal of the two rankings I wanted to continue to place trust in the project, but trust has a limit.
The wave 3 leaderboard was intended for new players and was the thing that worked the worst..

vale shadow
finite bronze
dry stratus
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I am currently in position 8 so I have skin in the game. I was also one of the people who voiced their opinion multiple times about fixing the bugs in the leaderboard where people are actively spending money. It should have been a priority. Yet, here we are, I hope the decision makers will learn from this.

Yes, I would love to have the holo rhamphite. Yes, I also feel that the gap between top 5 and top 25 is too large. Yes, I understand that some people are feeling cheated because of the false information displayed on the leaderboards.

However, I'm not sure it would be right to change the rewards at this time. Because the only people who spent more than those in positions 6-10 are the ones in positions 1-5. And they have spent their money believing they will get a 1 of 5 illuvitar.

For this reason, I would leave the decision to those in positions 1-5. If - considering the issues with the leaderboard - they feel that awarding the rhamphite to top 10 instead of top 5 would be fair, so be it. If not, then we should move on and adjust for wave 4.

drowsy ember
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The fundamental issue is that the LB points have been wrong from the gett go and its been ignored.
By doing 1/10/30 you might make 5+5 people happy, but you will also make 5+25 people unhappy by diluting thier rewards.

It's said for those who fought for higher points to now see the real points perhaps they spent more because of it, even though there were two days left and much can happen in that time. So the outcome from the broken LB points and the new points shown has not really changed.

I dont think its fair that those who end up in the top 25 have to "suffer" because of the broken LB points calculator.

violet grove
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we've seen a big spike in activity these past couple days. I agree the top 5 players should be the voices that matter. However I do think since the snapshot has been delayed by a week. Giving an adorius to the top 3 and a rhamphite to the top 10 could ramp up the competition for this final week. Something we completely missed due to a) bugged leaderboards and b) not knowing what the actual illuvitar rewards were.

finite bronze
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but one of the most important things is that I'm not sure if the points work well now, I removed 2 wave 3 from the album and it still scores the same points...

potent spire
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Before i write anything i must mention that this is smth that would affect me directly since i could relatively easily get to top 10 (i haven't bonded everything; wanted to keep some clean for xyz reasons).

Dedication should be rewarded, and we have several people who deserve it. I also believe we should have 1 clear winner, and we all know who it is. No disrespect to others it it just the way i feel. Reward structure was communicated long time ago i think we should keep it (even thou i want that ramphyte) 😭 . Therefore my vote goes to keeping structure as it is.

We could discuss changing structure for wave 4, but i would make more winners:

1st : 1 of 1 smth special and unique
1-5 : 1 of 5 gold illuvitars
5-15 : 1 of 15 holo illuvitars
15-25 1 of 25 regular
25-50 1 of 50 appreciation illuvitar

Yes, bugs, and being unable to properly judge where you stand is a big problem, but it affected everybody. Those really dedicated to game knew where they are approximately at. Saying you don't have time to do due diligence is just an excuse...took me about an hour to figure out that i would land somewhere between 10-20 place by end of wave if i don't change/bond anything anymore (and you can't say you didn't had an hour). and if you aim for top 10, you have to know there are hidden whales and that there will always be last minute changes to ranking. There are always lots of strategies to keep in mind . Hell, if Johny for some reason decided he will participate in lb, even top spots would be in problem...

In the end, our financial situation is our own to worry about. We can't blame it on others. I was burned more times than i would like to admit, but every time was a lesson learned.

For all those who feel cheated, i really feel for you guys, i really do (as said before - been there, done that), but try to look at silver lining and that is that you know better for next wave and that you won't get caught with your pants down next time.

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Sorry if i offended any1, this is just my 2 cents on the topic. Cheers 🍻

finite bronze
# potent spire Before i write anything i must mention that this is smth that would affect me di...

then I feel cheated, until this morning I was n. 5 with 119,000 pts of difference with the n. 6. I asked several times to fix the wave 3 ranking which was a priority, it was never done, no one was able to understand where it was positioned. Last night I updated the album and I was 5, I waited almost until the end to do it after the last update which should have worked correctly. This morning new update and I become n. 7, are we now sure that this update is correct? I do not! have you tried replacing? my score doesn't change... so it doesn't work for me These updates should have been done sooner, not today with 1 day left. Everything has always been changed at the last minute and today I feel cheated and will sell everything in wave 4. Good luck everyone

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finally I tried to update the album again and 209 pts more appeared... how do you explain it? Is everything working correctly for you? why were they missing this morning?

crude meadow
finite bronze
mental plaza
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My 2 cents as someone who moved from Rank 8 to Rank 15: Do what earns Illuvium the most trust and revenue. Illuvium needs to be fully transparent about what the issue was and what changes were made to fix the leaderboard in an announcement (maybe they already have?). Everyone was dealt the same hand, so those that are upset about getting bumped out of their position, go into the marketplace and earn your spot back cauae your album is not as strong as those ahead of you (this is literally the name of the game with Illuvitars). If you have lost trust because of this adjustment, then it is your decision to do what you want but nothing has changed (assuming the Illuvium team didn't make major changes to the album points system), the highest Wave 3 points on the LBs should win based on points. I also think trust means that the rewards aren't continually diminished by people complaining. If they want to open up the decision to the winners to vote or add additional rewards that is fine by me, but expanding the rewards to please those that got bumped out of position is more likely to lose trust from those that built the better album and finessed the game. That being said, if expanding the rewards and adding a week to the snapshot adds to the revenue Illuvium will receive, I'm all for it. At this point I just want to support the IP and project to grow and build the best product out there in Web3. Nothing else matters in the long run if you are an investor or a gamer.

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I guess in this case, I will need to see what exact changes were made to fix the leaderboard in an announcment by Illuvium first, but generally I think rewards should stay the same, especially the 1/1 reward. In future waves I do think however they should expand reward Illuvitars to the top 50 with different finish (colour/holo) based on rank.

harsh mauve
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  1. Why did you thumbs down your own post? 🤣 🤣 🤣 2. i do think there should be a change but i definitely think the rank 1 needs to stay a 1 of 1...........my preferred changes would be that the rewards stay the same and a top 10 illuvitar is added........or to change the top 5 prize to top 10
mental plaza
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and I'd like a top 15 illuvitar added...yea lets make a change for one specific group but not the others? C'mon Ronald

lofty kernel
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I am ok as well with any of 1/10/25 or 1/15/25

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I would support below : Maintain the single winner for the top Adorius reward, emphasizing a clear victory.

Rhamphite rewards from the top 5 to the top 10 to mitigate the impact of leaderboard bugs and provide more opportunities for deserving players.

Jokull rewards from top 25 to top 30, also to mitigate the impact of leaderboard bugs.

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Lets vote for which option is more popular.

  1. 1/10/30
  2. 1/15/30
  3. 3/10/30
  4. 1/5/25
    🤔
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My vote is no. 1

devout gale
lofty kernel
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Sorry i should add the original option as well

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Done

violet grove
lofty kernel
violet grove
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it's ok, I think just having the discussions going is a good thing overall.

magic rain
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Seriously torn on this one. On one hand, if the rules are set from the start and they're the same for everyone, then I'm normally against changing them midway. On the other, there's no way I'll make top 5 (beyond's Final Boss is too strong for me 😉 ) so extending the fancy rewards a bit would really give me a shot 😛 (very strong bias there, I know). However, there are a number of things that already changed this wave: early mistake with gold Scoriox/Pho, changed to stretch goal rewards. There were also some issues recently with the leaderboard points display and weekly leaderboard payouts which could have impacted a lot of players. Let's face it, for the wave 3 leaderboard, players have only recently really started playing because the snapshot was incoming and for the rest of the wave, the weekly leaderboard was "more important".

finite bronze
# mental plaza My 2 cents as someone who moved from Rank 8 to Rank 15: Do what earns Illuvium t...

the matter is a little more complex.. I don't necessarily want a ramphyte holo, I say that the first thing that had to work was the wave 3 ranking... made for new players and the only one that has never worked. I wrote this multiple times and no one cared, from what I remember only Doom wrote multiple times, so this is a loss of faith for me. It means not caring about the money players spend. Now the wave 3 ranking is updated and given valid and I'm in position 5, then with 1 day to go I'm in position 7. so which ranking is valid? so the update done before was of no use? Now with 1 day to go what can we do to move up the rankings? Nothing!!! because the accessories cost x5 and we all bonded as best we could without knowing where we were. If the ranking was working well with a month to go, would I have complained? NO. In fact I would have bought and tied more! If the rules were written and clear would I have complained? No. Today, at this point I feel cheated!!! Today nothing can be changed that has been decided, so why was wave 2 extended by a month? or I remember correctly.. why mine so many gold phoo? Why were the rewards able to be blocked? How many times have the cards on the table been changed? It also makes me think about the fact that if you change the cards on your album the points remain unchanged now on wave 3... And in conclusion, as always those who speak and have weight are always those who don't spend anything and perhaps don't even care about beyond.
Now do what you want, I don't care anymore.

crude meadow
potent spire
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for w4 we could do split rewards. what i mean is that we can have a part of rewards being paid weekly (like that 2000 ilv from w3) and end of wave pool like we have in w3 where we will fight for generated revenue (for each 1 eth spent, 10 ilv goes in that pool). Do you guys think this would be good idea?

violet grove
finite bronze
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If the wave 3 ranking worked, do you think these were the positions? not for me! I avoid adding anything else, I don't like this system, I'm happy for you who are happy.

violet grove
harsh mauve
potent spire
violet grove
# potent spire i had same taught process

I like your idea of having like 5 different exclusive illuvitars for the top leaderboard. And I would completely remove the individual stretch goals illuvitars, those are not good for the ecosystem.

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the only way to have individual stretch goals illuvitars is if they only sleeve in a special collection dedicated to stretch goals. So we don't end up devaluing the illuvitars like it happened with the pho and scoriox this wave.

light mauve
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So top 3 places get ALL of them? 🤔

I assume this is what was meant 😆

Top 3 for Adorius
4th to 10th for Rhampites
11th to 30th for Jokull

lofty kernel
violet grove
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just my opinion here but I think it makes sense to for the top player to get all 3 just in case we wanna add like a leaderboard collection in the future.

harsh mauve
lofty kernel
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@crude meadow @violet grove , pls update us soon and confirm if we are changing anything for special illuvitars for top 25 because i can plan my strategy accordingly. Currently at no. 6 so its critical for me know if anything changing 😞

lone sorrel
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No more changes of rare items please. Let Alexa get his 1/1 rare Illuvial. He deserves it for the amount of money and dedication he has to Beyond.

crude meadow
# lofty kernel <@263410862247641088> <@179925123065708544> , pls update us soon and confirm if ...

I think the most effective way forward is to change rankings / rewards for wave 4. That means there would be no changes.

Rationale being that

  1. This was the intended procedure mentioned in the original IIP.
  2. Team has been downsized making that changes in between will take away from progress on next wave's features.
  3. This would make for a good testrun and allows community/council/team to reflect on what happened and give valuable feedback on what should definitely be changed for future waves.

Finally, this iccp would be a pain to push through the process quickly: If we create an iccp, we would require 25 upvotes within say 48 hours to allow time for ICC+IMC to vote on it prior to march 1st. This thread however has shown that beyond players themselves are divided and that there isnt a desperste need for this. Otherwise we would have likely seen 20 upvotes 1 downvote.

So, getting enough sentiment to push this through will be a struggle and the time left would not make things easier. Because if we would end up wanting to change things, then 1 day prior to rewards going live, the team would have to struggle to get things implemented, possible bugs slipping into the code due to rushed work, with more drama following.

I think getting everything clean and streamlined for wave 4 makes the most sense.

potent spire
# violet grove the only way to have individual stretch goals illuvitars is if they only sleeve ...

i can't say that i'm specifically against individual stretch goals illuvitars, but i'm against them i form they are now.

getting them as a reward feels great. especially that gold pho. u had to open up 7500$ worth of disks to get it, so you knew it will be quite rare (a bit disappointed it got diluted in the end due to that bug - but well, that's life).

what i don't like is they can be placed in regular spot and since they are crazy powerful, regular illuvitars gained from disks lose their value.

so what i would like to see is :
1.) gold illuvitars can't be placed in regular slots (set/wave/affinity/class/line)
2.) create place for gold illuvitars so they can still be placed in album

We should make possible for gold illuvitars (similar can also be applied to all promo/special illuvitars) to be placed in several places so that e.g. gold pho is worth 40-60 000 points (i would value it that much based on how hard it is to get, but this is debatable)

harsh mauve
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should have been special cards for 1st place, then top 5, then top 10, then top 25.......or something close to that structure.......only thing that was missing was a card between the big gap of top 5 and top 25

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or they could have done top 1...then top 10...then top 30....something like that

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i like the first option i listed first though

violet grove
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I say these stretch goals illuvitars should either:

  • a) only be minted when the wave ends.
  • b) have a specific collection for these illuvitars to be sleeved in.
lone sorrel
minor orchid
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should have been special cards for 1st place, then top 5, then top 10, then top 25...

I like this structure too. Seems more balanced. The gap between 5 and 25 does seem too large.

harsh mauve
neon compass
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I kind of wish there are special illuvatars for competing and getting on the board although they are more common its something, so a illuvatar for rank 25-100 then another from 100-250 and another from 250-500 even further if needed but to promote more volume of players as well as rewarding the top end 100 players 😉 with super special rare illuvatars, first place deserves a 1/1 illuvatar though for sure

lofty kernel
devout gale
lofty kernel
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I am bit disappointed personally as i am the unlucky one for now to be at 6th position 😂😂

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But its ok. For my personal reason, team shouldn't consider any changes if team doesn't want any changes in wave 3

devout gale