#Should Overworld be temporarily closed, only offering automated drone runs?

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gaunt glade
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This is an important question where the team has asked the Community for feedback.

*Community-Driven Decisions and Adjustments

One question we’re still grappling with is how to handle the current version of Overworld. My initial idea is to temporarily close it in its current state—offering only automated drone runs for Illuvial acquisition—until we can reintroduce a fully realised experience. This approach ensures new players aren’t immediately exposed to an undercooked game and sets the stage for a much more impactful relaunch. By doing so, Arena could serve as our primary live product, driving engagement and revenue, while Beyond and Zero help bridge the gap and maintain momentum. In addition, upcoming changes—like the 3-to-1 fuel ratio, improvements in onboarding, and eventual mobile accessibility—will collectively make Illuvium far more approachable. Ultimately, I think this should be a community-driven decision. Your input will help us chart the best path forward, ensuring it’s positioned to meet its full potential when Overworld returns.*

There are other threads in the feedback section related to this topic, but I think it’s worth gathering it for this specific question.

Should Overworld be temporarily closed, only offering automated drone runs?

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I can see the rationale behind temporarily closing Overworld, but I think it would be better to keep it open, and even make some of the improvements that are planned. As long as it is communicated that this is the basic foundation Overworld and the “New Dawn” is coming with a lot of new content and features, for the MMO lite experience.

I think adding these features to the existing OW, is a better option. and then build the rest to put into a “big new dawn release”.

  1. Repository, collection album with a leaderboard and small incentive to make collections, similar to Beyond.

  2. Simplify fuel, making it one “game currency” used for everything.

  3. Melee Combat. change the capture/catch mechanics (like it has been planned for some time).

  4. Multiplayer, simple version of multiplayer to start with, to chat/interact in Sanctum Mesa.

  5. Automated Drone runs… only after there is an incentive to collect.(Collect in Album, flex your Skins in OW/Arena, Arena games where you use your own collection)

Replacing current OW with drone run/packs, does not work without having a clear incentive to collect and use/burn, if people want to buy the packs at this point in time it would only increase the rate whereby illuvials are obtained. I think it may actually be better that it’s a bit slow to obtain new Illuvials right now. you would also still want to be able to fuse, craft and gain xp, even collecting the pesky Morphopods has a use now.

The rest of the features like Quest, story, Multiplayer in regions, Boss fights etc. looks super cool, and it makes sense to “bundle it” in a big release, but I would definitely not close the Overworld right now, there is way too much risk of negative sentiment overshadowing all the great stuff that's currently being released.

steady violet
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I love overworld, and many people do.
But i would preffer the automated drone runs for now.
At least as an addition.

steady violet
gaunt glade
unreal basin
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@gaunt glade Hi! Before voting, I’d like to get some more details.
What exactly is meant by "automated drone runs"?
Will the drones collect NFTs (the same as now) or non-NFTs (for the free version of the game)?

gaunt glade
unreal basin
steady violet
unreal basin
steady violet
boreal pagoda
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I think automated drone runs should have some limitation, such as the account which have collect most of the illuvials can do the runs, the more runs in a day the more fuels needed,etc

unreal basin
# steady violet They hid it. They are hiding ow in drone runs.

Could this be one of the possible solutions?
What are the initial objectives?

  1. To ensure that new players don’t encounter an unfinished product.
  2. To avoid upsetting Overworld fans.

Perhaps by hiding the Overworld mode:

  1. New players won’t notice it.
  2. Fans won’t lose it.

The sheep are safe, and the wolves are fed.

gaunt glade
# steady violet Obviously to have both options would be great. But the reason why they want to c...

My personal opinion is that it would be better to keep OW open even with minimum updates for some months, it would be a better option at this point, and think there a less "downside" to keeping it, and maybe even hide it in the options. But completely see both side of it. Just wanted to start this discussion in a new thread as it was posted in the blog... and there are some important questions that needs a bit more clarity aswell 🙂

steady violet
steady violet
woven trail
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The only question I have is what would closing overworld mean for progession? Would the illuvials you do a run with still get xp? How are we supposed to level up illuvials or would it just make a small chance for capturing higher tier and different stage Illuvials? The current system works just fine and is a good way for the team to test out new mechanics and allow players to level up, capture illuvials, and gather materials.

visual folio
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Why not just "gate OW" for DAO members? If your profile/wallet does not stake ILV, then you have no access until it goes back public. SIMPLE

raven trellis
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A simple rewards leaderboard for Repository + instant pack opening for illuvials would boost the revenue on Overworld imo, that's the only "usecase" that is quick to deploy for illuvials and it has already shown it's performance with beyond... You can keep OW as is during that time so players can specifically hunt for certain illuvials - translate the illuvials traits to power level : the more the illuvial is powerful the more it grants you points for the leaderboard

trim badge
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I don't think we need to pause OW until Pack/D1sk/Automated Drone runs (whatever they will be called) etc are ready to go live, which I think should coincide with the launch of ranked Gauntlet/Leviathan.

Maybe pause OW 1 or 2 weeks before launch to starve the market for a little until ready for launch.

Then when Gauntlet goes live with leaderboards/rewards/albums/pack openings, people will be extremely eager to get stuck right in.

We finally get the full economy running, with hopefully more products to purchase using fuel (Beyond D1sks/Illuvial D1sks/Emotes etc). Full steam ahead from there.

verbal stratus
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We should keep it open. Maybe we can make the access harder for new people who will join our ecosystem, like it was for testnet!? or we keep it running on testnet and give out more keys, at least for the player who have played it already.

obtuse stirrup
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I support keeping the Overworld open, except if closing it would speed up development of the new Overworld and Gauntlet.

In that case, I don’t think it would be a good idea to keep it open just to make our current Overworld player base happy while unnecessarily delaying the new products.

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If other community members feel the same way, I would be happy to reach out to the team about this and get their input.

junior glen
spare zinc
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It is online... It is working with no bugs (as far I can tell)... I can't see any good reason to close it. There is 365 other projects out there with some version of their game running while the development continues, why we can have the same here? If the idea is to go with "MMO Lite" then let's starting with the basic that is an MMO does not close (only for a few hours from time to time for maintenance and update)

edgy olive
unreal basin
umbral epoch
# unreal basin Will our illuvials gain experience in these races at the same rate as they curre...

Nice...
3 months no activities for players in OW, waiting for player base die... destroying market with fuel oversupply (after player base die), Voting here 2 (yes) : 25 (no)
In September you boasted 23000 active accounts that were sent airdrops (after bot banning ! )
Now you have lees than 400 players (weekly! Include T0 map!) in OW. GJ!

and heureka, "we must start Drone runs, they save us" 😦

And IIP 53 ("drone runs declined, need revision") have less value than toilet paper... 😦

umbral epoch
# unreal basin Will our illuvials gain experience in these races at the same rate as they curre...

As the proposal was described, yes, you will get Illuvials, ores, essences (you can pick what you want/prefer), shards and "pack of XP"...
Just a perfect tool that will help to finally swallow the market (shit) illuvials in a few hours/days and players who don't play OW will finally get their XP for free. Regardless of the fact that for a regular OW grind you need a very strong core team and you can only "Eearn XP with" 2-4 illuvials. Now suddenly there will be a ton of XP for everyone... 😭

Maybe there is another/newer version... but it definitely doesn't go through any wider discussion, except: "Drone runs are coming regardless of Overworld closing. " and "will be 20% expensive than OW run" (without any details) 😭

zealous narwhal
umbral epoch
zealous narwhal
umbral epoch
# zealous narwhal if it was voted for revisions needed and didn't move forward it's not valid no.

English isnt my native, but An IIP would be required for this feature to be implemented in the future. mean Kieran need IIP to implement "autodron lootbox".
Or am I completely misunderstanding this?

IIP 53 https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1251220376101584896
Rich | Illuvium
APP
— 14.06.2024 19:03
[Passed 4-0] <@&1107754780744487002> Snapshot:
[Revisions Needed 0-1-3] <@&814435151307866142> Snapshot:

Simple Summary:
The proposal advocates for the integration of Drone Trips into the Illuvium Overworld, enabling players to dispatch their drones, accompanied by a team of Illuvials for defense, on automated missions for mining rocks and harvesting plants. These missions would yield random outcomes, and their effectiveness would be based on the drone’s progression system, the illuvials defending the drone and the region’s stage. Illuvial hunting wouldn’t be included in the Drone Trips to ensure the integrity of Illuvium’s game economy. An IIP would be required for this feature to be implemented in the future.

zealous narwhal
umbral epoch
# zealous narwhal dude it says [Revisions Needed 0-1-3] <@&814435151307866142> Snapshot... So it d...

Do you read all?

There was a IIP - Make autoruns, quite elaborate and reasoned with some % etc, include:
time limit between auto-drons
NO ILLUVIALS in drons
etc, etc...

This IIP was decline "Revisions Needed 0-1-3" = that means simplified: We dont want this system - right?

After 6 months we have:
No revision
But it's almost certain that there will be something similar, including illuvials and probably with unlimited purchases like in Beyond. 😭

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zealous narwhal
umbral epoch
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I try to stack some ILV (10) to be in dao before month... but I didn't succeed. I've given up on it ever since.

umbral epoch
zealous narwhal
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the team wanted to make auto-runs. And I wrote an IIP to exclude illuvials from it and to require an IIP to implement that system.

steady violet
umbral epoch
# zealous narwhal the team wanted to make auto-runs. And I wrote an IIP to exclude illuvials from ...

Uffff, thanks.
So the translator translated it differently for me.

So we both want the same thing? No Illuvialls in autodrons? 🙂
Does it make sense to write a new IIP as you advise, or will it be ignored as "revision" of the original IIP 53) and is it still a fight with windmills?

Right now my TOP illuvial team builded 6 months is completely useless to me.

A) OW will be replaced by drone-runs... whether it is really closed or not, I have no doubt that the economy will be made to justify closing OW in this case due to "lack of interest" and "high maintenance costs"... Just like with the blueprint update, the internal land consumption per blueprint has dropped by 80% 😦

B) Leviathan mod is not very interested in developing what I read.

All investment in Illuvials is in vain, because thanks to A and B no one will be interested in them anyway. Although I have about 6x 300 and 200x 250+ Illuvials.

I'll just pay 6 USD and get freeXP and a lot of other Illuvials on the market, where no one buys them... well, I guess I'll follow Urza (⁠💡〕feedback-ideas⁠So Long and thanks for all the… ⁠) and my 10,000 USD ended up on the plane scheme... I will try withraw "S2 1400 USD drop" if I have lucky with exchange rate ILV/USD and finish to drop "loss about 8000 USD" and bye... 😦

Too bad, OW and its ecosystem with Leviathan looked really interesting and I was really looking forward to it, even though there was no season for 3 months, I was still playing and improving the team... Unfortunately, it was a mistake.

gray jasper
# umbral epoch Uffff, thanks. So the translator translated it differently for me. So we both w...

No mate, they want collect Illuvials without playing, this IIP is just for confuse the players, in the end, the team makes what they want and dont give a shit. OW is gone, will be closed, they will spend more time in this automated run development, postpane even more every probability of improve what needs to be the main game (sorry, i know the team wants to be Arena, but its boring and we dont have arena progress, because you dont get nothing from arena, nothing, even progress or something, you feel like you will always repeat the same process 😴)

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The truth is, they have money, and dont have time, so they will use all excuses for make a game for THEM, not for us, is like a millionaire playground, not a game company

gaunt glade
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Please try to stay on topic, be constructive with the feedback and dont make too many assumptions…. We still need some more clarity with regard to many to the specifics , like what the done runs would look like, etc.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all 🤗Atlas_Love

gray jasper
# gaunt glade Please try to stay on topic, be constructive with the feedback and dont make too...

I dont make any assumptions, you always tell that and dont show what i say its wrong, just for clarify, lol there is no idiot here who thinks they can lie forever and live off promises, this is a community above all, if I can't say what I think about a work that I am indirectly paying to use (yes, it's not like they are doing it for free willingly lol), these decisions affect my gameplay and the gameplay of several players who came for the promise of what the game would be, and now with the car running they want to change the route just because they made bad decisions in the past and want to put it on our backs? Then if you complain they want to censor you lol we are in the middle ages here

umbral epoch
forest falcon
# trim badge I don't think we need to pause OW until Pack/D1sk/Automated Drone runs (whatever...

I think Alexa's point here is a strong one. Either way we will need to close Overworld for some time (min 1 month) as a breather before a grand relaunch. Now that's not necessarily any time soon.

Personally I would only be paying money to obtain Illuvials 1 of 3 ways.

  1. Overworld added soulbound progression metrics to the ranger.

  2. Overworld combat came in to speed up the game significantly and was fun

  3. Drone automation/pack openings

I think if the team doesn't have time to add in combat to our current overworld I am not convinced it needs to stay open, but if they can in the near future I'd like to see it remain, if just to gather data alongside automated drone runs.

umbral epoch
# forest falcon I think Alexa's point here is a strong one. Either way we will need to close Ove...

Hi,
Yes, Alexa is probably the biggest investor here... I value alexa opinions, whether I agree with or not. Very often I agree, but then logically it is not so visible when just gives 👍 💯 or say agree 🙂 ... But I thought the goal was a game for hundreds of thousands of players, not for someone with hundreds of thousands of USD... Best for both groups of course 🙂

1 👍
2 👍 There is more ways (from other games), if you have strong team, battle can have "autobattle mod", This use "last or default deaployment" and I will play the battle in an accelerated manner (without graphics, just on the server) and display the result. If I want to optimize the battle, I can still play it manually (similar mechanics were already present in the very old HOMAM II, for example)
or optimize preload/grafick engine for much much faster loading 🙂
"2x speed" button in tft battle also will be good 🙂
3 👎 I've described it here many times.
Lootboxes are a problem, not funny for a significant percentage of players, already illegal in major gaming markets (China...) and soon probably in others (EU). The final will come to the market economy. As I understand it, the Chinese gaming market is completely ignored by ILV? A market larger than the US and accounting for about 1/4 of the gaming market worldwide? And soon we will have to ignore (or should we already have to) other markets...

Battle Pass is much better. Or another solutions based on Daily missions and/or leaderboards.

Do we really want to start producing steam cars at a time when petrol or electric Ferraris are whizzing around us?

Just of topic - are you playing under a different account now?
Because I haven't seen a single OW game played on Scoriox account in over a month?

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# umbral epoch Hi, Yes, Alexa is probably the biggest investor here... I value alexa opinions,...

Battle Pass is much better. Or another solutions based on Daily missions and/or leaderboards.

Hard to define better, but certainly highly successful. I believe they target a different audience. We need both ideally.

Do we really want to start producing steam cars at a time when petrol or electric Ferraris are whizzing around us?

Poor analogy. It would be like offering petrol cars when we have electric cars, and the question as to whether we should continue offering petrol cars when we have electric Ferraris flying around, absolutely 100% yes we should.

gray jasper
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Scoriox dont play, they are a streamer/content creator, he have a script and what they say to them they repeat, just it.

Alexa is right in several points, i think the game need to explore every types of investors and make them happy with his assets, fun gameplay or whatever.

The point here is 1, today, tomorrow and ever, OW will be the main game, I have a lot of experience with games, as much as you want arena mode to become a mainstream game, Illuvium's best product, that won't happen, it should be a game to add value to assets (Illuvials) and give those more options that doesn't have time to evolve in the open world, autochess battle is one of the worst modes in terms of audience retention, I can cite several examples, but I will use Riot, they didn't launch TFT until they had a fully structured base of characters that guaranteed several updates, completely changing the mechanics and with new characters every 2/3 months, this was a requirement of the council to have frequent updates because players easily get bored with this type of game, now, let me ask you, do you think Illuvium, As it is, can you provide this?? Do you think that after leaderboards or tournaments end there won't be a capital flight like there was before? It is naive to think that Arena mode will be ready and will not need such constant updates that it literally burns all the team's time, and the effectiveness will be extremely lower than keeping the Overworld open or exchanging it for drone opening, as already mentioned, you are limiting the market only to collectors, countries that consider this a collection because many will consider it gambling, in other words, Illuvium will be banned in many countries, do you really think this is the best strategy? Honest question, lack of time and money was not it, they had 4 years to develop a story, progression and everything else and they didn't do it, what makes you think that now the focus needs to be on a game with very little playerbase?

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Another example is the Pokemon TCG, it will never be the main Pokemon game, guess what all the main Pokemon games have in common? They are open maps with stories where you can explore and capture Pokemon, similar to something they literally want to close (they say for 1 month but we know it will probably be 1 year or more), so what is the strategy here, that's what I want to understand, there's no point in thinking that you will disrupt the market with good ideas, you need good games, good team, good investors, good aprovation, good retention and the arena mode, sorry, dont have enough and never will be (because public dont want, simple as that), and public i dont speak the playerbase we already have (is much more for OW but ok)

lime sequoia
gray jasper
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But doesnt make sense create a core game with nothing behind, like the pokemon ecossystem, it is very presumptuous to think that this will be the pillar of Illuvium, just because they want, but there is no structure for that, there will not be as many sets as necessary (yes, new sets of Illuvials would have to be released frequently) which makes no sense if the team is out of time to improve one of the games that is ready.

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It's time for Illuvium to take its place as a great web3 game, time is passing, many games are coming out of Alpha/Beta with many rewards and addictive gameplay, if they take too long what no one here wants will happen, which is the bull run will pass in front of our eyes again, they will let the opportunity slip and other games will take their place. Which would make me very sad, because I see power, I see a huge fund of capital, I see a great team, but they make bad decisions all the time, they don't listen to the community, they delay and postpone things that many players came here for that, how is a community going to grow like this and become mainstream in the future?

obtuse stirrup
fluid tangle