ILV rewards should only be for leviathan gauntlet tournaments not for free to play gauntlet games.

[manic ore]

Free to play gauntlet arena tournaments should be able to get some rewards such as unique illuvitars, illuvitar disk or any illuvium nfts for top rank players, and for leviathan gauntlet tournament players should be the only one that should get ILV (real money) rewards. I think this is the best solution to encourage everyone to collect more illuvials for the leviathan gauntlet tournaments. This proposal will also help increase value of fuels and increase activities in marketplace. Also there should be a casual PVP 8 players leviathan gauntlet arena where a host player can set an amount of fuel to enter the game, and the top winning players gets the fuels from the pool, 1st place takes 75% of the fuel in the pool and 2nd place takes 25% of the fuel that's in the pool, this type of game would allow anyone to have a chance winning something even if the player is not that good in playing the arena tournaments.

[rapid crescent]

I wouldn't like to rule out ILV for free to play rewards. They may not be necessary, but never say never.

Ownership of assets could still be incentivised within the free to play modes, and as these modes will likely have a much larger player base, it could be worthwhile to utilise ILV rewards.

Far too early to be making such decisions imo.

In regards to the 8 player wagered games, these are reminiscent of the poker sit and go tournaments. Is this not considered gambling? Would a gambling license be necessary?

[manic ore]

If Devs create more tier 0 illuvial characters for OW map and players able to collect all free 50 tier 0 illuvial characters required to play in leviathan gauntlet I think that should be good enough so everybody can join the leviathan gauntlet tournaments whether you want to play for free or heavily invested in this game. I know owning all tier 0 illuvials will not be able to climb up to the top rank for rewards but atleast they get a chance to experience the thrill and excitement being able to join the big tournaments and as players are more engaged in this game eventually they will invest in better and higher tier illuvials to increase their chance of winning and be in leviathan gauntlet tournament top rank for rewards. If we are only using fuels to play 8 player wagered games like poker sit and go tournament I don't think we need a gambling license because we are just betting using in game token/ assets that is not pegged in real money and players who won fuels from the game should only be used in Overworld and only land owners can sell fuels not the players of wagered games.

[calm echo]

We discussed this with Vic during the last Epoch, and yes, a gambling license would be necessary. I believe Illuvium would prefer third parties to take on this risk rather than venturing down that path themselves.

[rapid crescent]

Good to know, thanks for that.

[opaque topaz]

I agree. ILV rewards for Leviathan and Illuvitars/emotes for f2p gauntlet

[vale lichen]

@manic ore The first part of your proposal is fantastic. I completely agree with your perspective on ILV rewards.

However, regarding the second part of the proposal (I mean the competition for fuel), this idea seems a bit unusual.
You mentioned that "players who are not good at playing will have a chance to win something."
But if they pay to enter and are not skilled at playing, wouldn't they obviously just lose? Am I misunderstanding something?

[manic ore]

There is no way for a non-skilled players to even get to the top rank with rewards in a big tournament with so many professional players so casual game modes mini tournaments or wagered games like the poker sit n go type of game can accommodate people that can't play on the scheduled tournaments due to their work schedule and also this game mode can help other non-skilled players win some rewards even they only finish 2nd place or maybe 3rd place if they wish to add rewards to 3rd place winner in casual leviathan gauntlet.

[green lintel]

I disagree, Im an example of why not. I knew about illuvium since 2021 and played a max of 1-2 hour during the beta and always turned off and uninstalled the game as i thought arena was too hard to learn. As soon as I heard season 3 would have rewards for casual, it gave me motivation to sit down and really put in the time to learn arena, and after a few weeks i really was impressed how good the game really was, so i wanted to build my leviatihan team Ive already spent over 1k on the marketplace buying Illuvvials. If there was no ILV rewards for casual gauntlet i would never gave the game a full chance to learn the game, Theres no way i would of put money upfront to learn the game. I think its important to attract a player base first and as we do get more players, we can slowly swing the rewards to leviathan, So just say month 1 75% casual - 25% leviathan, month 2, 65% -35%, month 3 55% - 45^% and so on. Untill at the end of next year maybe only 10% for casual 90% Leviathan.

[manic ore]

I'm not against giving rewards to free to play arena tournaments but they should focus giving more rewards to leviathan gauntlet arena tournaments because that will be the heart of the whole economy of this game. Collecting all 50 required illuvials to join the leviathan gauntlet tournament should not be that hard to ask because you can basically snatch less than a cent worth of illuvials from marketplace basically almost free illuvials at the moment and when they do that then they can join the leviathan gauntlet arena tournaments. Imagine if all players collect all 50 required illuvials for the tournaments do you think the price of fuel and illuvials will go up?

[green lintel]

your saying illuvials are a few cents each, yeah they are but for trash illuvials no1 at all is winning tournaments with trash illuvials. All free2play games are free2play to get the players loving the game and the IP of that game, and then once they have them hooked those players are more likely are to buy into cosmetics etc. We need ILV to get a playerbase first and then we can attact them to spend money for Leviathan tournaments.

[opaque topaz]

What about f2p players earning fuel instead of $ILV.

[green lintel]

I personally wouldn’t have started playing illuvium for only fuel rewards, but that’s just me.

[median grove]

This is exactly the option I was thinking about myself

[green lintel]

I would of never gave ILV a chance if i wasn't after those ILV rewards, Now ive given ILV a chance and I completely love the game and the IP and ive spent over $1000 into the ecosystem. I 100% think leviathan rewards is important but not until we get a large playerbase and get people loving the game and IP. People that love the game and IP are more likely to spend more as well.

[shrewd swan]

If f2p gauntlet doesn't give significant rewards close to leviathan the playerbase is never reaching 5 digits and you're getting at most triple digit tft players into the game

[manic ore]

I very much doubt it. Gauntlet is not even close to a fun a game at all and most people are just playing it to prepare and improve their skills to reach higher rank for the rewards. We are not getting enough happy players because there is no challenge or there is no point for players to collect illuvials because they can just use all illuvials for free and earn rewards. If we can remove the free to play gauntlet and focus in Leviathan this will create more interesting and challenging game this means more Marketplace activities, more fuel sales and more desirable to collect illuvials. We already have free to play OW tier 0 and that should be good enough to collect illuvials and use in arena battles for rewards.

[flat slate]

only leviathan mode 'but reducing the stat gap'

[manic ore]

Yes I agree with that too reducing the stat gap of tier 0 illuvials with higher tier illuvials

[calm echo]

Gauntlet is not even close to a fun a game at all and most people are just playing it to prepare and improve their skills to reach higher rank for the rewards.

I feel like that's a subjective take. While it might not be fun for you or some players, others, like me, really enjoy Gauntlet for what it is. I think it's already amazing, even with some features missing and despite the bugs and crashes.

[flat slate]

Let's be honest, TFT is not a very popular game mode... But that the ascendant mode is much more fun because you create your team like Pokémon 🔥

[calm echo]

TFT is the biggest strategy game in the world I believe 😄
Strategy games in general are just more nieche compared to shooters for example.

I liked ascendant, but it needed a lot more love to get where it needed to be, to be truly competitive.

[flat slate]

I believe you 👍 but I liked Ascendant so much that Gauntlet put me off

[manic ore]

For me gauntlet could be more fun if the game is more challenging, more control of the game play like for example move any of your illuvial unit or ranger's position and freely able to redirect an attack like dota 2 or starcraft for example. I like intense brain stimulating games not like auto battler just placing your units and start the fight until you fall asleep in front of your computer. And also what is the fun collecting illuvials if you can use all the illuvials for free to get rewards anyways? It just doesnt make any sense to capture collect or to even spend money in to this game at all if everyone can just play all illuvials for free and get rewards.

[fiery hedge]

According to Chatgpt

[green lintel]

TFT has 30 million monthly active users

[manic ore]

I personally wouldn't have started playing any crypto games at all if I only want to play for free.

[manic ore]

it doesn't matter if there's rewards or no rewards if the game sux it will still never reaching 5 digits