Please Stop Penalising Mega D1sks (Beyond stretch goals)

[fresh stone]

A simple request to please stop penalising the buyers of Mega Disks.

Here is an example that clearly demonstrates the issue.

Stretch goal 1 - Requires 1000 points (not a real goal, solely for demonstration purposes).

Purchasing and opening 1 Standard D1sk equals 1 point. (Cost = $6) (Cost per point = $6)
Purchasing and opening 1 Mega D1sk equals 5 points. (Cost = $36) (Cost per point = $7.20) 20% increase in cost per point.

To reach the desired stretch goal purchasing only Standard Disks, it would cost a total of $6000
To reach the same desired stretch goal purchasing Mega D1sks, it would cost a total of $7200 (additional $1200).

Why are we being penalised in this way for purchasing a more expensive product and making the buyers feel bad for doing so.
Seems completely unfair and counterintuitive, as you would imagine that one would try to incentivise people to purchase the more expensive product, but we are completely backwards here .

I believe and hope that others will agree that these need to be 100% equal.
Change the points received on the Mega D1sk to 6 and make them fair.

Thanks for reading and please share your thoughts in the comments below. Any feedback is always appreciated

[somber falcon]

If we do $6 Standard D1sk and $30 Mega D1sk this problem goes away . Just saying 😁

This is the better solution than rewarding mega with 6 points, in my opinion

[fresh stone]

True it would 😅
Although I think if we try to go the pricing route, I don't think there's any chance we see this for wave 3, if we go via the point route, I believe this could be easily rectified.
Would have to see feedback to know for sure though.

[real oyster]

Let's write an IIP??

I think the idea is that standard D1sks are the worse buy financially every time. But this system rewards those buyers at least a little bit

[harsh creek]

Nothing to add. The only rationale I've heard behind the 1:5 point ratio (instead of 1:6 like price) essentially boils down to trying to control customer behavior artificially. If there were any reason to influence buying habits, the correct decision would be to incentivize the more expensive product, not to disincentivize it. Standardizing points per dollar spent is a great idea.

[real oyster]

Yeahh generally speaking I don't have a problem with making it equal. Honestly I would have liked to see different tracks of stretch goals. A collective points one AND individual sets for diff d1sks

[harsh creek]

At that point you just chuck the point system out entirely and track disks. I don't think it's a bad idea, but it's extra work and not necessary IMO.

[fresh stone]

If you are happy to. Do we not need to wait for more feedback?

[quiet zenith]

like to also see a volume discount on disks...like you buy 100 disks at a time you get a 10% discount

[fresh stone]

That would be sweet too.

[quiet zenith]

I was thinking of you for this with alpahas 🙂

make pricing a little better

[somber falcon]

I like this!

[quiet zenith]

iip it and I"ll upvote it

[somber falcon]

How much of a discount?

[quiet zenith]

10% I was thinking...we want to provide incentive but not too much of the discount so they just try to resale them...just on eth purchases though

[latent cairn]

We should encourage people to buy the mega disks so give a discount on the mega disks

[winged grove]

we probably can do this faster.
IIP-48 by @wide pond was voted for revision. The rationales said the imc was agreeing to change the multiplier however the upper threshold should be determined by labs.
if filow agree to revise the IIP for 6x multiplier and remove the threahold then we prob can pass this before the sale

afaik @grim mesa @safe grail the team has made improvements to the strech goals?

please share with us the team's plan on the multiplier, is it 5x or 6x?
and if we will have higher thresholds?

[crisp comet]

Put 1 random illuvial or ranger's weapons/gears in illuvitar disk & allow players to pay fuels for illuvitar disk. This will solve the issues we are having right now for both players who likes opening packs and players who likes catching illuvials from overworld. This will also help the economy in illuvium zero and illuvium beyond.

[keen ivy]

Agreed with this. Each wave I feel forced into thinking one type of d1sk is more worthwhile than the other, and that's weird.

[mild siren]

All good here, either we fix price or we fix points.

[real oyster]

Up to you. There's no hard rule about this sort of stuff. An IIP needs to go in gov ideas for feedback anyways.

[real oyster]

On the pricing discussion I think the bulk buy idea is the best play here, it's how typical tcgs solve for X.

We can do $6 standard D1sks or whatever. But if U buy 25 in a tx U get a 5% discount or something

[mild siren]

Dont see this as a must, would eather create a third product for another wave. You could create a beneficial middleman position since we tying these points to accounts opening, so u could bulk buy and sell em for lower than the dao and the user still reaps the benefits.

[real oyster]

I suppose that's true 🙂

What would be super duper cool is a premier ball. Buy 10 D1sks and get 1 airdropped. It's a little crazy but I think it would up revenue heaps imo

[wide pond]

you guys love putting me to work. 😅
sure, I can do it just let me know what are the changes.

[wide pond]

you guys already know my opinion but I also think this can be a solution, making standard d1sks 5.99$ and mega d1sks 29.99$ and keep the 5x point ratio.

[winged grove]

if we are using IIP-48, i think we should just say the points from mega should reflect the price ratio of mega vs standard

[wide pond]

ok it is done:
#1202501917402599484 message

[heavy plume]

This is an easy no brainer. There was never any good argument to have it 5:1.

[safe grail]

I have the feeling this was already raised in 3 different Beyond proposals and people were fine with it given 6x price multiplier, now we're 4 days away

I'm fine with either approach, even though I like $4.99 and $29.99, but let's not postpone because this comes in so late, people working on this are busy enough as it is

Dev-wise it should be trivial (personal opinion, might just be too late), but navigating the web of laws and semi-laws within this DAO over the last 4 years most efficiently and within 4 days is up to the council(s) imo

[heavy plume]

I don't think people were ever fine with it - but instead we just ran with initial proposal due to some idea that we won't be selling any Regular D1SKs if the rewards are fair.

[heavy plume]

I also think that dev wise should be trivial. There is also maybe some marketing material that would have to be changed that would take a bit of time.
But great point on other problems.

[safe grail]

Yeah this is what I thought, we went with 5x point multiplier despite a 6x point multiplier to make points slightly more feasibly for Standard D1SKs, otherwise they would be less interesting

And let's be honest going from a 500% increase in cost per point to 20% is relatively massive

Again, I'm fine with either approach, but only if the effort is actually trivial

[quiet zenith]

So I would offer a 10% discount on 100 disk buys, but only made in eth. With the 5% illuvidex commission it would not be worth trying to resell them. But if you want to do a 5% discount on high multiple purchases, then you don't even have to worry about reselling of these disks. I would not have it apply to silv2 purchases.

[fresh stone]

I understand why you would propose this, but ultimately anyone could just convert their ETH to SILV2 and receive a much larger discount than 10%.
We do need to incentivise SILV2 purchases so that we can get it out of the system as quickly as possible whilst the market value is low.
If the Value of SILV2 goes up to $100 for example and we still have a lot outstanding, the problem multiplies.

[quiet zenith]

yeah, the reason is the dao makes nothing on silv2, but I see your point. It's a benefit for the dao vs the benefit for the token holder (and if staker, silv2 holder). I don't think it's huge either way, but with no other disk incentives to speak of, the discount could lead to more bulk purchases. I would not break my pick on this, more important is a seemless buying and opening and illuvidex experince (which we still don't have updates on...I hope they have a least one person who this is there only job...an important part of the ecosystem).

I'm assuming read only wallet and leaderboard rewards is fixed..maybe a big assumption 😉

[fresh stone]

When it comes to SILV2 it is a tough one, because as like you say, the DAO makes zero money on those sales.
It's just right now 1 SILV2 can barely purchase 1 Mega D1sk, but by wave 4 (providing the market keeps on it's current trajectory), we could see this multiply, which would become a much bigger problem as 1 SILV2 may have the buying power of 2, 3 or maybe more Mega D1sks.
Although counterintuitive in the short term, I would incentivise SILV2 sales to try an flush as much of it out as possible, so that it doesn't bite our ass in the future.
There is a possibility that it may not pose that great of a threat, so this is not necessary, but without access to more information, this is the only conclusion I can come to 😅 .

I'm assuming read only wallet and leaderboard rewards is fixed..maybe a big assumption 😉

From what has been dripped to us, it does look as though these are currently in the testing phase. Providing there are no issues we should be good 🙏 .
We will find out very soon.