Urgent fix for illuvial stats

[vale vortex]

Can we please hurry to make the stats be visible in capture screen?
I lost a 50% health, resistance,atk speed, atk damage, omega power winq because it was another identical winq in the fight. And i only had 720 energy left. So i had to flip a coin.
Thank you 🙂

[burnt wing]

This has happened to me so many times as well, it's so frustrating...

And for some reason it tends to happen when there's only ergon energy left for 1 capture...

[vale vortex]

I had 720 and just thought, how could i get out of here quicker? And it hit me with a perfect winq... (except 0 or 10% mvm speed)
I know some things are already coming, but i think some should be more urgent than others

[mighty oyster]

Bumping this as catching stat illuvials will likely be OW focus for the weeks leading up to season 3.

[sharp vessel]

I heard they spawn in the same way they came so keep track of witch illuvials that came r

[crisp stirrup]

FYI
illuvials stats are not supposed to be visible before capture

[burnt wing]

'are not supposed' doesn't mean it's the right choice.

we've had them all this time, they'll kill the game even more if they remove it.

me personally, I would stop grinding if they stop showing the illuvial's stats.

[vale vortex]

Oh no, that is a huge no
Don't do that to me
I skip 95% of illuvials in my runs

[olive frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-come-on-man-alright-then-seriously-are-you-serious-gif-26591537

[crisp stirrup]

izza bug

[burnt wing]

why so long to fix then? It's a rather simple one.

[crisp stirrup]

[burnt wing]

at least they're giving the opportunity to OG players to exploit this

can't see other reason why they haven't fixed something so simple if it was not meant to be.

[ornate parrot]

Your saying its a bug that they show at all or that they dont on capture screen

[crisp stirrup]

The former

[ornate parrot]

Thanks for telling us about this

I feel like the others towards it, seems bad to not see the stats as its what matters the most and they are so rare that you couldnt catch lower stages just in hope they have good stats

I know it may feel this way because weve been used to it though, i wonder how the experience wouldve have been without that

What do you think about not having stats show?

[mighty oyster]

If that's the case then there should be a consumable that shows the stats (or scan) that is a cheaper value than the base shard

[vale vortex]

If the stats won't show, for me is not efficient to play ow. I think i would come better with just buying from market.
Also the farmers, how is it money wise for them to waste 20 shards, to get one good stat illuvial?

[crisp stirrup]

For reference
#🎮〕illuvium-overworld message

[vale vortex]

Thanks for the reference.
I think this would have worked if it was the case from the begining. So the higher stat would be at a higher price, to justify this. But now i think it is a bit too late

@frank osprey as a free to play, how do you feel about stats not showing? I don't see how it could be sustainable to throw shards at everything 🤷‍♂️

[olive frigate]

neva too late to change stuff, we are in open BETA 🙂

however, seeing the stats before capture or even before entering an encounter opens up more strategic decision making about what you actually wana do on your run. Is it capture high stats/low stats, mining, harvesting etc.
As soon as it's taken out it gets to more of a brain dead, more grindy feeling fast run. Just shoot what is in front of you and hope for the best.

[burnt wing]

just give me automated runs if there's no stats visible. No point hunting if it's a blind hunt. I would just capture the highest tiers/stages.

[vale vortex]

I agree that this would have been good for rarity.
And a better feeling when you get a good stat, but seeing how hard i get a good stat, idk if i would try ow anymore 🫤
As filow said, a better way to do this would be an automated card opening, and keep ow as a separate rpg game for lore and to have fun and utilise the illuvials

And remove the fuel from ow and give it to the card opening

[burnt wing]

exactly, good stat illuvials are extremely rare. If I have to choose between a good stat atlas or a crap rhamphy I go with the atlas always.

[vale vortex]

Yes, as i said i skip 95%+ of what illuvials are in a stage 3 run. I prefer to mine as i already have a more than decent collection
So no way in hell i would throw a resplendent to try my chance at stats. Better sell them and use the money to buy illuvials

[frank osprey]

They definitely need to make them visible in the capture screen, i also had a lot of illuvials that i failed to capture because i didnt know which one to get. This needs to be addressed as soon as possible, its best for those who play a lot of OW.

[urban bronze]

I can see reasons why the team might not want to show the stats. Since the current meta involves skipping 95% of the Illuvials, the gameplay experience could be more enjoyable if players were forced to capture the Illuvial they wanted the most and only then discover whether they hit the jackpot.

That said, I would prefer Leviathan to be more accessible, not just dominated by a handful of whales with playable decks. If this change happens, there will be even less supply of Illuvials with perfect stats. It seems to me that there is already more supply than demand, even though Leviathan-ranked play is still over a month away.

When discussing this, we also need to try imagining what it's like to be a new player who has never seen stats before capturing an Illuvial. We're heavily biased from having played so long with the ability to see stats upfront.

[vale vortex]

I feel sorry for free to play players, as this will only make it harder for them to take full advantage of their runs 🥲
I already have a decent collection, and can always buy what i'm missing

[urban bronze]

Since this would be a nerf for everyone who plays the game, the advantage of runs would still stay in proportion to everyone else. Meaning, if it becomes three times harder to catch perfect stat Illuvials, they would supposedly become three times more expensive.

[vale vortex]

Yeah, this is what i thought too was the intent. To have high stats being more valuable to compensate

[burnt wing]

I could see this working before they made the change where shards break with failed attempts. If we don't see the stats before capturing, we're spending shards on failed attempts and we end up getting a crappy stat illuvial it feels really bad. This will push players away from the game even more and they'll simply buy from the market what they need.

How would the leviathan be even more accessible?? The illuvials are dirt cheap... And if you want really strong illuvials, stats isn't the only thing that matters. Just go to the OW and grind levels on them. A level 60 illuvial with zero stats is stronger than a full stat level 1 illuvial.

• "When discussing this, we also need to try imagining what it's like to be a new player who has never seen stats before capturing an Illuvial. We're heavily biased from having played so long with the ability to see stats upfront."

I don't need to imagine, when I started playing I wasn't aware stats were visible by right clicking illuvials while inside the auto-battler. I always went for the highest tiers/stages. Seeing stats completely changed my game style. As I said above, between a good stat atlas or a crap rhamphy I always go for the atlas, and before I would always go for the rhamphy.

[urban bronze]

I do agree that it might be too late to change it, now that everyone is used to what we currently have. Nobody expects this to change to hiding stats, and it would be a huge blindside hit to the community.

When I talk about Leviathan, I usually refer to the competitive high end, which means all Illuvials with max stats and max levels. Nothing less than perfect decks should be viable if a big competitive scene evolves around Leviathan, which, at the moment, looks like perfect teams with tier 5 etc. costing $10,000.

I like Viper's idea where the qualifiers are held in normal Leviathan mode, so it's still achievable to qualify for tournaments with suboptimal decks. Then, at some point, the tournament is played on "god accounts," giving everyone in the finals, for example, the exact same chances of winning in terms of decks.

[burnt wing]

yeah that's the thing with perfect stat illuvials. There's very few of them and that's why they're so expensive. I don't think we should expect many players to have perfect teams. But even if someone has all 50% stats vs having all 40% stats it's not that big of a difference. Gameplay strategy still wins in the end of the day. This problem only becomes more exacerbated if everyone is using the same meta teams and facing mirror matches.

[burnt wing]

yeah I also like that idea for tournaments. Maybe not all tournaments, just a type of tournament format.

[urban bronze]

A 10% difference is incredibly huge at the pro play level. Pro players fight for every fraction of a percent increase in win rate they can get over their opponents. Having a lower chance of winning because of your team is unacceptable at a high-level competitive standard.

[burnt wing]

the problem with the train of thought is that usually web2 'pro players' don't have a budget to build their team. We have that distinction with web3.

let's consider you're a pro illuvium player. Are you down to spend 10k to have the perfect team?

what about 1k to have a very good team?

[urban bronze]

Let’s back up one step. We ultimately want Pro and Semi-Pro Esports players to enter the ecosystem because they see the big prize pools and believe they can compete more successfully than in their Web2 counterparts. The marketing value, as seen with examples like Parallel, is immense.

A structure where players in the grand finals have fewer chances than others due to their decks is a no-go for competitive players. This would mean that everyone in the finals would either need to be sponsored by an organization or be a whale, which sounds like we are drastically limiting our competitive scene. Specially in the early phases until Esport Orgs enter the space.

[burnt wing]

I did say that for tournaments, at least the final stages of it, I agree with Viper's idea of a level playing field by everyone playing in God mode.

but that's just the tip of the iceberg. You have to qualify to get there, you have leaderboards with rewards with emphasis on the leviathan mode. We're not just talking about the end-game esports tournaments.

[crisp stirrup]

i played half of season 1 without knowing this bug

[burnt wing]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-tech-tips-ltt-bug-gif-19900847

[urban bronze]

Yeah for qualifiers I agree that 40% Illuvials can be enough if they are set up right.

[crisp stirrup]

i thought people in ow channel were pranking me lol

[olive frigate]

what makes you think they didn't ? 😛

[viscid vortex]

Just a reminder that for level 60 illuvials, a 10% difference in stats is just 7% for attack speed and 5% for other stats. It is an advantage but augments, comp (hypers) and illuvials placement still are a huge part of leviathan.

[vale vortex]

Maybe the stats will change with combat. I don't think you can see the stats before battling an illuvial

[drowsy knoll]

I can confirm this 😂

[nova laurel]

To compare to Pokemon, you cannot see the IVs of the pokemon you are trying to catch generally. (IDK if they changed that in the newest games).

But you can manipulate stat quality through things like breeding, and later on SOS battle chaining.

Generally I think being able to preview it now is a bit easy, and it would be great if there were mechanics to manipulate stat rarity besides previewing before capture IMO.

[crude belfry]

Everything would be fixed if the difference wasn’t that big.

With this system 95% of Illuvials are unusable.

Just make bonuses a lot smaller, like 1% 2% and so on. You still get advantage but it’s not an obvious pay to win anymore.

[topaz scaffold]

I agree with you and it makes a lot of sense to minimize the impact of bonuses to a smaller range (maybe not as low as 1%>2%, but definitely not 10%>20%) for the sake of a better and more balanced gameplay experience.

For reference, Infernal Drake in league of legends only gives attack and ability buffs in 3% increments. It's not so high that it's game breaking, but it can drastically affect the outcome of a fight if utilized well.

[timid smelt]

I agree with Balancing, but a burn mechanic will also help solve the "overpopulation" of capture illuvials lol

[crude belfry]

What burn mechanic?

[timid smelt]

This wasnt fully relevent to this post, so did not want to jump down that rabbit hole and lose focus - more a comment towards the 95% of illuviaos being unusable due to stats

However, just to state quickly, nothing is solidified yet around "burn mechanics" but there are many posts/feedback circulating around this subject.

I believe ICC is going to try and refocus/funnel all of them into one thread

[novel hill]

exact same thing happened to
me three times already, this needs to be changed asap, plz

[novel hill]

my attempt concerning seeing stats would be to make the encounter scanning feature valuable again, as it is not any longer since the costs for entering an encounter were removed (which is fine).

but entering encounters, screening stats and leaving takes like 80% of my entire overworld play time, which wouldnt annoy me, if there was no 10seconds loading screen each single time.

so why not make the scanning feature directly reveal the stats of the illuvials that can be captured, this way players can decide to enter and have a look, or decide to pay some energy and (in most cases) move on to the next encounter, saving loads of time.

and ofc the first named issue also has to be resolved asap: we need to be able to see the stats also on capture screen, plz

[vale vortex]

It wont be the case. Once the ow gets updated with combat, you wont be able to see the stats until captured

[novel hill]

sorry that i didnt get this yet: combat means fighting/catching illuvials directly in overworld?
this would be a very drastic game changer … interesting though

[novel hill]

here is also feel exactly the same, especially when below 1300 energy i start finding more that one illuvial with really good stats in one encounter.. but i have to keep believing this just my personal bad RnG luck 🙈

[vale vortex]

Something like that i believe

[novel hill]

https://tenor.com/view/cinderella-fairy-godmother-its-like-a-dream-a-wonderful-dream-come-true-dream-gif-5321859

that would be a dream come true 😄

[prime topaz]

That's assuming demand stays the same. I think you'd have far less people risking a $3 shard or even $0.50 shard catching potentially a bunch of crap stat illuvials. I think it's just going to kill motivation to catch high stat illuvials. High stats are already quite rare based on my experience, it's fun entering and leaving dud arena instances, lengthens the hunt and makes the payoff feel better when you finally find a battle worth fighting to try and capture something good.