Ongoing Thread for Community Council Townhall Topics

[reef nacelle]

Please submit your questions and topics for ICC Townhalls below. Feel free to react with a thumbs-up to submissions from others so we can gauge interest.

Our first ICC Townhall will take place next Thursday at 5 PM UTC. You can find it in the Events Calendar here in the ILV Discord.

We plan to host them bi-weekly, but we will adjust based on your feedback, engagement levels, and the amount of content we have to discuss.

[left geode]

• What's the current ICC's priorities list?

• What has the ICC been working on?

[junior cosmos]

Is there anything concretely being worked on for better communication by the team?

Are you going to try to implement a bridge between ICC and a team member(s) so that they can be aware what they need to communicate better? Its something i wanted to implement and talked to garf about it so he could relay to the ICC

[left geode]

it was intended as "bi-weekly", but 3 months later and we still haven't got another council townhall. I guess there's not much going on <@&1107754780744487002>.

[buoyant tendon]

What are your plans for solving excess fuel offert?

[storm lantern]

We need to get one on the schedule. I know I have a lot of questions, also I bought a couple extra promo disks to enter the raffle 😆

[crisp zenith]

There are discussions still ongoing for fuel - mainly with IMC

Per Kieran’s update post:

"In addition, upcoming changes—like the 3-to-1 fuel ratio...."

Supply is heavily outweighed demand right now (thus = excess fuel, and the 19x is not helping)

[crisp zenith]

We were planning to host more if there were topics to discuss or contentious proposals

After the first one, it felt like most questions either couldn't be answered on the spot or would IMC or Labs to allow the answers/information be distributed

(Atleast that's my personal opinion)

I have added it to Next week's meeting topics (Thursday) since it just missed this weeks by a couple hours. We brought it up several weeks ago (maybe 2, but with the holidays, we put a hold til the new year)

[reef nacelle]

We will schedule another one soon, thanks for the friendly reminder.

[unreal ermine]

Hello,

As far as I know, all Illuvials are based on real-world animals.
Atlas is an axolotl, Ramphyre is a pterodactyl, and so on.

I’ve had a question on my mind for a while.
Why was a single Illuvial added to the game that is not based on a real animal but instead on a mythical creature?

I’m talking about Grokko. It’s either a stone golem or a mountain troll. It’s clearly not a real animal.

In the game, a mechanic for burning Illuvials through the creation of skins was introduced.

Unfortunately, this has not solved the problem. Too few Illuvials are being burned, and the rate of acquisition still far exceeds the rate of burning.

Will a more impactful system for burning Illuvials be introduced in the future?

This is the question that interests me the most. Could you please clarify how exactly this feature will work? The more details, the better.

Also, I would like to confirm: this banner appears above each Illuvial when viewing its page on Illuvidex. Thank you!

[hoary wedge]

The big question is, what is Doka?

[hoary wedge]

Owls don't have arms though or tails.

[unreal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-phone-scared-alarming-bird-gif-5607464192155483546

[hoary wedge]

So that's where Rogier got the idea!🤣

[left geode]

what's the atippo real-world animal?

[unreal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-ram-blah-nah-gif-5549843661485402529

[rain cedar]

@crisp zenith thanks for continuiing to champion. Putting the 19:1 issue with a mathematical model on day 3 of mainnet to Aaron. This was so obvious out of the gates once I understood that fuel would not be a ERC-20 NFT and levered derivative on the in game generation with an off chain token redemption system for ETH. Overall, really poor execution that has greatly diminished confidence in the project from a landholders perspective.

IMC minutes stated Perry back in November was to bring forward a plan for the "3:1" fuel migration and standardizing the fuel pricing system. Why is this not implemented? Why has a better fiat on ramp not been implemented? Why is a roadmap and plan not communicable at this stage to the entire DAO?

[crisp zenith]

These are <@&814435151307866142> questions - unfortunately I cannot comment further on this matter

[crisp zenith]

TIER 0s were the exception I believe... they made whatever they wanted... but @merry knoll could confirm for us 😀

Also WEN Chamma release!?!?!

[rain cedar]

Thanks for making something happen...you're a great ICC member and will be remembered at the next EPOCH.

[crisp zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

Appreciate it = but it's a Team effort on ICC. United for the greater good 🔥
We all work together and cover various sections of the ecosystem

[hoary wedge]

An atypical hippo, one with a horn on his head.

[merry knoll]

Theres reasons why tier 0s are not like the other illuvials, but its to uncover by playing at some point 🙂

[trim oyster]

Hi Rogier.
Are the suit skin pictures at the forge just place holder pictures or are they wht the finished suit skins will look like?
The drone skins are so much better looking than the suits.

[drifting haven]

1. fuel overhaul. WIP.
2. stripe integration. WIP.
3. roadmap. WIP

[crisp zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/emotions-toyed-with-dont-mess-with-me-shawn-spencer-james-roday-gif-10449511

[reef nacelle]

We wouldn't want to burn all of our assets I think. Imagine we have 300k players in the future but only 3k atlas.

first we need to aquire a healthy playerbase, then we can work with real numbers and see if we have to burn more I think.

[coral birch]

I have a PTSD from this argument from axie, I think it's just not a good one. We don't even have an end date for set1, why can't the 300k players open some packs to get what they want? It's better to be in a scarcity situation and have levers to pull if needed, rather than a massive oversupply that you don't know what to do with.

[reef nacelle]

I'm not saying burning is a bad thing, we have some burning mechanics already in place.

[merry knoll]

Not sure what you mean, can u dm me screenshots?

[coral birch]

I know you are not saying that, I just don't agree with that part cause I've seen it being used around, and I think it's just not right and we need more to control the supply. Scarcity makes it seem your product is exclusive and in demand, oversupply does the opposite. Anyways I don't wanna spam your post

[trim oyster]

Stage 3 skins I thought were going to have vfx

[merry knoll]

That is a placeholder shot id guess as the vfx masks arent lit up for this either

Every stage suitline currently has a set of vfx masks. St3 is just the most complete.

But it doesnt show up on this image

[trim oyster]

Ok thanks. I thought that might be the case.

[unreal ermine]

Hi, Illuvination!

First of all, I want to thank you for yesterday’s tournament. It was truly engaging and exciting!

Now, about the Illuvials. To be honest, I don’t fully understand how everything will work yet. Here’s how I see it:
We’ll open disks containing Illuvials, and different Illuvials will come out of them. The principle will probably be similar to acquiring Illuviatars. This means that only Illuvials with top-tier stats will hold value, while the rest will essentially be useless.

You mentioned increasing the player base. But won’t this growth lead to an even greater number of generated Illuvials?

For example, if we look at IlluviDex right now, we can already see a vast number of Illuvials across all tiers, most of which are worth almost nothing. An increase in the player base doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll start buying up these low-value assets. More likely, new players will aim for top-tier Illuvials or open disks themselves, which would, in turn, generate even more weak Illuvials.

Please correct me if I’m misunderstanding anything or missing an important point.

Thank you!

[reef nacelle]

You are right; there are some nuances to consider, though.

• We have a disproportionate amount of Illuvials because the player base has been shrinking.
• The current fuel system is broken. At the moment, you can acquire Illuvials at practically no cost, just through time investment, which is flooding the market.
• Currently, we have no system in place that incentivizes ownership.

I would strongly favour fixing all of these issues (and the many others I haven’t mentioned) rather than pushing for hardcore burning while we’re still in open beta.

Also, I like that, for example, Ownership Ascendant—if it ever returns—has a super low entry barrier. You could buy full teams for, say, five bucks, which makes the entry barrier for future ownership-dependent game modes very low and helps with onboarding.

[unreal ermine]

Where could I read about the "Ownership Ascendant" system? To be honest, I haven't heard about it before. It would be interesting to learn more.

[reef nacelle]

ascendant arena is a 1on1 mode where you bring your own illuvials. so for the non leviathan ascendant arena, u need to own every illuvial you wanna play but stats/lvl dont matter.

[unreal ermine]

Thank you so much for clarifying. Have a great day!

[reef nacelle]

you too!

[rain cedar]

@reef nacelle @plush whale @crisp zenith What if arena returned with 'fight for fuel'? If you lose a battle, then the loser must burn some of it illuvials that convert into fuel and go to the winner? Built in competitive burn mechanic while stimulating the use of fuel that creates a virtuous cycle and flywheel for the economy. ILV needs a flywheel desperately to get healthy. This would bring back the excitement of having stacks for fights without technically wagering and incentivize more competitive players to enter the space. Note: This project had the most hype and excitement when the tagline of 'fight for ETH' was the main thing...interest has dwindled ever since.

[crisp zenith]

Part of the idea is interesting but also many will step away from Arena if there is a cost to pay for losing
Even a cost per match would turn players away

But yes there is need for a better flywheel/cycle.

[grave badger]

With an unclear timeline on the OW relaunch and the likely need to do another capital raise for it, can we get some info as to why we aren't utilizing "Leviathan" Survival or "Leviathan" PvE Roguelike Arena modes to fill in the gap between Gauntlet and OW relaunches?

From my limited understanding, that would be a simple and efficient use of development resources to acquire and retain players with highly replayable and dynamic content, is it not?

[rain cedar]

I was thinking in terms of a Leviathan mode that can supply a compelling alternative value prop to TFT focused on the Asian market who play autobattlers and love to gamble. North America and most of Europe are not going to engage regardless if it’s free because auto battlers do mot resonate. Gauntlet will still serve as activation/onboarding mode as planned. Bottomline is we must get fuel burning and scarcity for illuvials built or this train is coming to a halt at this stop or the next if any VCs want to invest in a four year old startup with no recurring revenue that resembles a comic art studio business model.

[crisp zenith]

Understandable for now, but gambling has many red tapes, burning could solve today's problems (too much supply and not enough demand), but if many more players come in... there's not going to be enough supply

Waiting to see what numbers come back in regards to burning/skin production to review what the burn looks like 🔥

[reef nacelle]

Interesting idea!

Basically, this comes down to wagering on yourself I think, which we discussed with Vic at the last epoch. Illuvium would prefer not to go down that path, as it would involve acquiring a gambling license, etc. Instead, the preference is to have third-party apps provide this functionality.

[reef nacelle]

This does sound about right. The problem I see here is that Labs wants to allocate all their resources toward Gauntlet and then Overworld: A New Dawn. It doesn’t seem "worth it" to broaden the focus again to cater to a small player base with a product that is meant to be somewhat of a placeholder for the other projects, especially if it means delaying those projects.

To my understanding, based on conversations with Aaron, features like an improved survival mode—more in line with Gauntlet—and possibly co-op features will come after Gauntlet and the new Overworld.

[coral birch]

1. Where does Ascendant fit into all this? That mode had a good potential, and fits our eco model better than gauntlet. Are there any plans to 'revive' it?

2. What role would the illuvials play in the new OW?

3. If leviathan gauntlet doesn't gain momentum, what other games or modes would require ownership?

4. With gauntlet being mostly f2p and new dawn OW being years away, what would be the point for players to farm OW or open packs once available, if there is no utility for ownership in the foreseeable future?

[reef nacelle]

1. there are plans to revive it i think, but after gauntlet and overworld.

2. i have no details about the new overworld

3. ascendant, new overworld, maybe there is a point to be made for survival leviathan ^^

4. With the current proposed structure it all depends on Leviathan being a success. 🤞 Also I did a lot of my Illuvial aquisitions based on speculating on future games etc. even if they are far away.

[coral birch]

😬 thanks Paz

[buoyant tendon]

Hello, what is the guide route for airdrop development? Which is its objective? Next season is still considered over 12k ILV? Season 4 is going to have something different? The game has been paused since a while.

[reef nacelle]

Started a new Thread, seems to make more sense than a ongoing one.

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1324595239436025946

please submit your ICC townhall questions there.

[reef nacelle]

there is no more aidrop planned. the next season, will be somewhat along the lines of: "Competitive Season 1 - Tournaments & Leaderboards"

As far as I know

[drifting haven]

there hasnt been an official announcement or official decision by IMC on this. please refer to #📣〕announcements

[reef nacelle]

The team has communicated this to us.

That there won't be a Season 3. Only leaderboard and tournament incentives. First Arena and then Overworld.

[drifting haven]

IIP-68

[reef nacelle]

You can read up on it on the council spreadsheet named "WEEKLY TOPICS FOR ILLUVIUM LABS FEEDBACK".

[drifting haven]

I did, but IMC hasnt decided on it

u can read IIP-68

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1298008750770229328

[reef nacelle]

All I know is what Kieran has shared to us to be shared to the community. And that's what I did. I never said IMC has made a final decision.

[drifting haven]

That's why im telling u this now

It doesnt mean we will or will not have S3, we simply havent made the decision. So please wait for us to

The way it works, all official communication is made in #📣〕announcements

Ive explained it in council chat.
Lets not confuse the community and wait for the official announcement

[reef nacelle]

When Illuvium Labs wants to share information on topics with the community, then I will take that information and share it with the community.

Again, I never said that was the final IMC decision or an official Announcment.

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish here @drifting haven.

But nice talking to you as always! 😅

[drifting haven]

IIP-68 made it so that future rewards need to be approved by the IMC.
Im trying to explain to you how future incentive works with IIP-68 and im asking you and the ICC to refrain from giving info about S3

these things have caused confusion in the past, so please any info about P2A need to wait for official announcement

we know what happened to beyond leaderboard pause without proper communication

[reef nacelle]

I am not speaking on behalf of the IMC, nor did I ever intend to. I am simply sharing Kieran/Lab's opinion on the matter with the community, to keep them in the loop and their expectations as realistic as possible.

[reef nacelle]

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Please feel free to submit any Questions and Topics in the Post here for a possible upcoming ICC Townhall.