#Leave ImmutableX for a better chain ASAP

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serene lynx
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ImmutableX is not the right chain and is dead anyway.

Illuvium should not even have started Open Beta on ImmutableX, but here we are with lots of problems (no credit card, scaling issues, no smart contracts, no ERC1155, almost no liquidity, no NFT listing on major Ethereum marketplaces etc.)

We can go on like this and invest more and more wasted time and effort into ImmutableX, mint even more NFTs we have to move to a new chain in the future or switch to a real EVM chain ASAP or just use an AWS database for NOW.

We should be open minded and choose a chain that is more future proof than ImmutableX.

The landscape has changed so much. We could now have our own App Chain with ILV as gas token (e.g. Arbitrum Orbit L3), existing credit card solutions, much more liquidity and guaranteed performance. Besides being on a real EVM chain that allows us to integrate with so many existing solutions.

At the moment ImmutableX is just a very slow database we don't even own and could improve on our own and it causes us more problems than benefits.

If Illuvium removed blockchain for now and replaced it with just the IlluviDex AWS database, it would be better to what we have right now.

Later on we can allow anyone, who wants to trade, to mint on this new chain.

If I don't want to trade or just own cheap items, I don't need to mint and just keep them in the IlluviDex AWS database.

We should not be worried that this IlluviDex database is not crypto and we are no longer a web 3 game ecosystem.

It is the web 3 ethos about a virtual game economy, owning assets and playing them in interoperable games etc. that makes us web 3. We are far away from being an on chain game anyway. Just having all assets minted on a blockchain does not make us any more independent from Illuvium Labs and the already existing AWS databases (e.g. fuel token, IlluviDex).

Being on ImmutableX just causes problems with not advantage to anyone.

PS: I added IlluviDex to AWS database, to make it more clear that we already have an AWS database that syncs with IMX.

pseudo stream
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Spicy take.

I am not sure that IMX is the thing holding ILV back. To build our own infrastructure to do the same things would be incredibly difficult. Smart contracts are code that runs in public, and are constantly under attack. It would be easy to say, "Hey, if we just used a traditional Mongo or Elastic object store, they could have been 'done by now'." It feels true, but ...

I have my doubts. I'm not sure integrating any other chain would go better. It makes sense to outsource this piece of the puzzle, but choosing a partner to manage it has all kinds of intangible complexity.

I think that Kieran has a very "no compromises" ethos. Which is fine. I feel that he wants to create an ecosystem he can immerse himself into. I hope he finds that cathartic outlet. But I definitely feel like too much is "on chain." Fuel was a very cool concept, this way. I bought land with others thinking this would be a fascinating ground floor opportunity. But does every T0 ingot and snozzberry need to be an NFT, too? I get that making the critters into NFTs is a good idea. Uncured shard fragments, not so much ...

serene lynx
pseudo stream
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My point is: It's an easy thing to say, but an incredibly difficult thing to DO. Months and months. It would basically put all the current issues (which are legion) and delay them 1d6+3 months.

serene lynx
worldly knot
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i agree that we should look for an alternative to IMX:

  1. IMX zkEVM is probably the most feasible option in the near future.
  2. Ideally, our own chain on BASE, polygon or AVAX

things to consider when developing our own chain:

  1. Hiring good dev that we can trust. We saw how GALA was "hacked" after their head of blockchain (bitbender) left the company
  2. Time and funding needed.
  3. Announcing a migration could probably be seen as bullish
serene lynx
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I would argue our own app chain (L3) on Ethereum L2s is the best long term option. zkEVM is still in development and extremely cutting edge tech and ties us to Immutable. L3 can even own their future roadmap e.g. what technologies to adapt and when and can soon have interoperability with other L3 chains. zkEVM promises this, but not on the short/mid term roadmap.

We can outsource most of the L3 deployment and operation. It is already almost like running an AWS database. A lot of it is already automated.

frozen veldt
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Looks like we’re staying on immutable

serene lynx
frozen veldt
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God

serene lynx
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Tell him to fix our problems.

frozen veldt
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He replied saying, have faith in Immutable as it is, immutable

serene lynx
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We already have a “Move to Ethereum” option on the IlluviDex. How hard would it be to add an option “Mint to Illuvium App Chain”. The IlluviDex is already an AWS database that syncs from IMX. It could also sync from our new App Chain.

frozen veldt
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Gods replied once again saying, mere apes don’t understand what Immutable is achieving, have divine faith and may you be rewarded.

serene lynx
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I am feeling too well to fall for trolls.

serene lynx
worldly knot
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ILV as gas is good

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my only concern is if we have the capability and capacity

serene lynx
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Look for caldera xyz.

golden pilot
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what about Ronin? big comunity strong security

serene lynx
sick frigate
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how about matic/polygon? tho im not sure what i'm saying. not very much knowledgeable with these kind of stuff. sorry hahaha.

Tho ive also thought of this, choose better chain than immutablex. but then again, easy for us to say.

we do not know how much work they've put to integrate this and how many days/mos/ years they've spent to properly (well, not 100%) let this work

serene lynx
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Immutable zkEVM is basically a Polygon zkEVM. It feels like yet another silo and dependency we would get ourselves into. My gut tells me Illuvium needs its own chain. This is so much easier than 3 years ago.

sick frigate
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ohh i see.. okay thanks. i cant contribute much on these topic, too technical for me

golden pilot
serene lynx
pseudo stream
serene lynx
thorny jay
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Ronin better choice

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polygon= paradise of scammers when you use polygon mainnet you're subject to receive a lot of contract scam

paper cliff
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This is over my head on how hard it is to change/implement in the first place. just here to leave a commit so i can see the new commits being added.

from a web 2 guy perspective:
I left PlayStation once they started charging monthly fees to play with my friends. So if it doesn't cost gas, like now, id be happy. else ill prolly leave in the short run

pseudo stream
# thorny jay polygon= paradise of scammers when you use polygon mainnet you're subject to rec...

Same with Ethereum, too. The goal should be that the wallet is secure, transactions are free from the game to the wallet, and players shouldn't have to care about transferring in or out of the wallet for very long periods of time.

Personally, I get that this is a "crypto game," but I don't think it will have wide adoption until it is a good game that "happens to also be a crypto game." Right now, the crypto is much, much too front-and-center.

thorny jay
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polygon are the paradise of scammers if i put my wallet on polygon scam can i se like 3-4 contract scam

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if i put ethereum i cant see nothin

pseudo stream
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Okay, sure.

thorny jay
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i'll show you

pseudo stream
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There were scams on Ethereum before Polygon was even born. But you do you.

thorny jay
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scammers these days dont use ethereum anymore like before polygon are the paradise of scammers

pseudo stream
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Repeating it definitely makes it true. Clearly, our experiences don't match up.

If you are using crypto, people are going to try and scam you. There's real money at stake, and that always brings out thieves and liars. Always. There are people using Discord bots to try and scam us out of ILV even now. Not a single one of them requires Polygon as far as I know.

All I'm saying is that building everything from scratch is a massive risk. You can find people have built things on Polygon. Illuvium is clearly "too much" for IMX and wants a wider audience than IMX can support. That's a shame. But doing everything ourselves shifts (some # of Devs) to re-inventing wheels that other people have made that are plenty round enough. Polygon is ONE of those wheels, although there are likely a 5 or 6 other good choices, too.

Given how many issues we have with the front end, does it really make sense to dedicate a group of devs to the back-end, now? Not to me, but that's just one software guy's opinion: Use what's out there. Just don't pick another IMX.

thorny jay
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we cant keep with imx just bug after bug they cant simple solve a bug without take 1 month i'm waiting my claim of ilvs from beta withdraw to metamask like 5 days and i cant claim still on first week we see a lot of people losting money with shards dont minting and anothers stuffs but what i wanna say is i dont saw any good game get a big future on polygon like i saw on ronin chain everything come to ronin get a big hype and call more players if you tell me a good big game released on polygon can i agree a bit with you, but just look at ronin chain and look of games are on their chain and the market how's it are if you find a big point just show to me

pseudo stream
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I'd probably be fine with Ronin, too, but I know less about it.

But you can't tell me there are no scams there. 🤣

MY entire point is that I don't want the team wasting dev resources on building our own (everything). You can find people who have made games work with Ronin? Great. Hire them, get Illuvium moved, and get IMX behind us.

My point is that experience matters. We need the solution to support a high volume of transactions, no in-wallet fees, and is something that people can use with credit cards. That all exists, and we shouldn't be eager to build/rebuild any of that stuff.

thorny jay
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have scam everywhere but the ronin chain are most safe than anothers like polygon can i say it to you

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now if you look at token trove, just guild of guardians has movement is only for IMX Airdrop Farmers

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this game are dead i played it you pay 25$ to make a nft and sell it per 5$ the token has no sense of burn and they dont ever know what they do

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they selling these nft this nft is like 1$ they selling per that price cuz they selling to another account of their own just for farm airdrop of imx 700k imx

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these imx are dead and the games on their chain too

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i sell a nft there per 30$ that nft was like 140$ the game floop

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look this is they calling people to back play that mess floop i receive it today i'll never back

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pseudo stream
shell sage
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Just build a new factory Kieran 🙂

analog lintel
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RONIN ZKEVM coming 2025 Polygon is building on top of Ronin.. it is better then IMX

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please consider just suggestion.. maybe I am wrong. you guys can make the choice..

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please don't be blinded by bias and just because you spent a lot of time with iMX and it is hard to move. Infrastructure is important.

trim pivot
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We need a chain that offer Zero or Low Fees for transaction.

Is your concern due to lack of people in the IMX ecosystem. Therefore lacking people to shop and buy NFT here?

Well IMO IMX should build a easy to use bridge to bring NFT between ETH and IMX.

A good marketplace with usefull search filters for NFT. With that trade Volume will increase.

Does IMX have slow minting or stuck transaction or listing issue??

last lotus
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An Illuvium Chain does seem the most logical choice. A Blockchain is self sovereign economic space. A realm. Illuvium should be a realm for gaming with its own IBG's as well as bridges & supporting economic & social infrastructure... It would improve the valuation, and create a better sense of community / citizenry... So I give it a 👍🏻

trim pivot
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There are too many chain out there and complex transfer of asset between chain may put off some use who are not familar to blockchain and wallet management. Unless Illvium build a chain which can transfer between their chain to IMX chain seemlessly.

IMO IMX passport system already solve most of the issue as it uses a google account to link to wallet with option to link to another hardware or metamask wallet. So in that department they solved the user experience issue.

I am not sure how their blockchain perform interm of TPS. Well Since it is gas free to transfer. It is offer good value.

shell sage