Offer Bundles for Illuvium Overworld Starter and High-End Teams.

[meager forge]

Hey everyone,

I want to preface this idea by saying that if it’s well-received, I'd like for Labs to figure out the details and the best way to implement it, considering the most fitting priority and timeline.

The core idea is to offer bundles alongside the Fuel Bundles that guide new players in some way. These bundles would be for Overworld Teams, making it easier for new players to get started, providing budget-oriented players with a starter team, and allowing dolphin/whale players to quickly acquire powerful teams with minimal effort.

Following an example to elaborate the idea, not saying this has to be the way:

The DAO could offer a few themed team options with different versions, featuring various Illuvials, Weapons, and Suits across budget to high-end tiers. For instance, a budget-friendly starter setup like Dust-Predator-Revenant could have higher-tier versions including T5S3 Weapons like Zephir Lance and T5S3 suits, alongside Illuvials like Umbre.

Further themed teams could be created around fitting in all the T5S3s in the Wahle versions at the end:

Invoker Themed Team: Featuring Dualeph, Ophisto, and Titanor.
Mystic Inferno Themed Team: Including Rhamphyre and Adorius (due to the Mystic Inferno ranger weapon).
Fighter Themed Team: Incorporating Phosphorus and many T4S3 Illuvials like Scoriox and Behemoths.

I envision this as a guided, fewer-clicks option for purchasing these Illuvials, weapons, and suits.

Possibly introduced through a pop-up explanation that players do buy these from the marketplace from other players not the DAO and this is a guided idea for a Team and they should research before making a purchase.
However, I’d leave the exact details and implementation to Labs like I said above, only felt giving the examples would be useful.

[gilded ice]

I think this could be useful. Technically speaking I’m wondering how it would be implemented since the cost would be variable based on what’s listed on the marketplace, right? Or is the idea to have Labs buy-back illuvials for this program? Like you said there’s prob a few ways to do it.

In general I think making it easier for newcomers to buy teams that are useful in OW and this benefits existing players by channeling easier buyers to the floor.

[meager forge]

The technical side is certainly a big Question, I think someone smarter than me will find a good way that has no exploitable issues 😅
Having the buyer buy the floor options of the items could be a thing if technically possible, I don´t know how easy or difficult that is, but then you als have parameters like stat modifiers etc., so certainly a bit tricky.
Maybe there should be filters for min level of stat modifiers etc. as well, but again, not sure how much work/how possible this is.

[gilded ice]

I’d also like to see the ability to sell teams on the illuvidex. Like if you Viper could put together a team of 8 illuvials and sell it as a bundle on the illuvidex for one price I think that could be huge. Then you create an eco of pro players curating teams for beginners.

[meager forge]

I like that idea, like selling whole decks in TCGs.

[gloomy hound]

technically it's possible if the dao pre-bought the floor.
there can be price differences if they are sweeping the floor after a buyer purchased the bundle

pre-buying the floor is posing the dao to market risk tho

[gilded ice]

Ya jag I was thinking initially the mechanism would be the bundle just sweeps off the floor when purchased but it’s probably easier to implement if land buys back illuvials to resell as primary revenue

[meager forge]

It wouldn´t have to be the DAO selling them, if e.g. illuvidex just let´s them bundle buy the shown items.

[gloomy hound]

Really depends on how quick is imx.
ive tried buying items on my cart and it was an awful experience

[gilded ice]

The bundle just sweeping the floor in real time is less risk but likely harder to implement and makes it impossible to fix the price, the bundle would be variable. If Labs or the DAO buys floor under a certain level (basically artificially supporting the floor) and then resell them as bundles in primary revenue then we are introducing more risk to the market conditions, buttt probably means better revenue for the DAO.

[meager forge]

If that is the option the DAO doesn´t have to sell at lower than market, it doesn´t have to say the Bundle and Bundle Illuvials (especially due to stat modifiers) have to be floor.

BUT AGAIN, I don´t think the technical stuff needs to be figured out by us, Labs can certainly let us know what would be possible for them.

[meager forge]

I don´t think price has to be fixed, fuel bundles are free market as well.

[gloomy hound]

this idea was discussed when we were talking about offering booster pack

since we prob dnt want the dao to print illuvials.

it makes perfect sense to buy pre-made bundle. new players coming have to figure out the team builder then when they are about to buy the illuvials some are too expensive, they have to build a different deck

[gilded ice]

Well that wouldn’t be the case here. But the “issue” with just making it easier for a person to bundle buy off of the secondary market is that the DAO gets less than 5% of that market volume. If the DAO buys the illuvials off the floor (expense) and then resells them as primary revenue (less the cost basis) then we keep all of the revenue from those sales back to the bundle buyer.

Then you’re basically just floating risk as the DAO and making more by selling the illuvials back for higher than they cost from the secondary market in the first place. This also means we have more consistent buy pressure at certain levels. If we decide that all Atlas are worth at least 1 cent or whatever, then they can never sell for less than that or else Labs is a buyer immediately. Then we resell all Atlas in a bundle for 5 cents. Etc.

[gloomy hound]

basically that was my experience lol
if only the deck builder can show the floor price and give option to buy directly from the team builder

[gilded ice]

You’ll have bundle buyers that will pay a premium just for the convenience of buying a full team I’m sure.

But just brainstorming at this point. Lots of ways to structure it but I think there’s something here. GGs Viper

We can also do giveaways and stuff with illuvials that are bought back off the market so there’s a lot of stuff the DAO can be doing with those assets including bundle sales. There is some sunk cost to consider here and obviously as Jag stated there’s risk being taken on. But if we don’t believe in our own assets and their inherent value I don’t see why anyone else would lol, in our case we’re just in a position to buy them as cheap as we can get them from people who don’t know what they have.

[sterile palm]

I'm ok with this as long as their stats are all set to 0, similar to the starter Doka that everyone who does the tutorial gets. This way they don't really compete with naturally-caught illuvials on the Illuvidex

[sweet pilot]

I think thats a good idea. Implementing this bundle feature could also make it easy for people to eventually be able to sell their own team bundle like @gilded ice suggested

Buying floor seems the way to go for sure, one of the potential problem might be the bugged listing. Most of the time the first item(s) on floor are bugged there for a while and when you try to buy it it only says "imx connection closed". Its been like that in other games too, a theory is that it might be intended as a way to catch bots or something but i think its only a bug because one time i tried to buy epic shards and the first 20-30 were bugged out

If its possible to implement this and the chosen way is to buy floor it would have to be able to pass to the next lowest item when it fails

[native crest]

I think player curated teams would be pretty awesome, maybe even give the creator a small kickback like 0.5-1%. Ability to see how many times the team was sold would also be nice to gauge how popular it is.

[gilded ice]

For me, it's important that any illuvials used in primary bundle sales from Labs be purchased off the secondary market, thus avoiding any artificial dilution of the supply, so in that case i'd just roll it out like a sweep of whatever the lowest valued floor items are for each illuvial.

I still kinda prefer doing bulk buy-backs at strategic levels and then have Labs upcharge them as part of the bundle and profit the difference for the DAO, but logistically and technically speaking I'm not sure which is easier.

curious what the other <@&1107754780744487002> lads think here too.

[meager forge]

I agree with that I don´t think any form of dilution would be good.
Just a better/guided ui/ux experience for people to not necessarily have to search YT guides or similar to get a start on "what is a good team"