#Fuel transfer

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hollow tiger
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Since the fuel demand is low atm, and to prevent crazy undercutting, Our fuel storage is filling up in game. i was thinking to have something where the land holders could transfer their fuel to their accounts to play with it rather than to have it overflow and go to waste.
Doesn't really make any sense to me how we can use our fuel, and now we just sit there and let it rot...

torpid veldt
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I'd be interested to know what's happening with transferring our own fuel.

solar loom
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I would love to transfer own fuel from land to OW instead buying from Market.

strange crow
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What do you mean fuel demand is low? The fuel prices remain relatively high? If you can't sell your fuel at the prices your listing at lowering the prices ( Is the point of the system ) as fuel prices get lower more runs will happen?

torpid veldt
strange crow
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Yeah i think the bigger issue is the land is taking a long time to come on line for t1, and t2 and a lot of fuel is having to be spent to upgrade buildings ( some times 100's of fuel ) and they can't even buy it from the market to make those upgrades

hollow tiger
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ofcourse they can't buy to make upgrades.. it's a game.. you buy a lower tier.. it'll be harder.. if you could just buy fuel and max your plot in a week... it's becomes just an investment, pay to earn.

But this is a seperate issue, not the point of this post...

I just want to be able to use my own fuel without needing to destroy the market. Having said that, if this is what they wanted us to do in the first place to find balance, then so be it.
lowering prices too much too fast will cause illuvial prices to go down drastically as well. those who paid more for their runs will see their current illuvials value pretty much vanish...

Eitherway, i just really don't want to see my harvest go to waste after 2+ years of holding and waiting, maybe it's just me, so i made this post to get a feel of what the company or other people feel.

strange crow
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I think the idea is that the gas prices will go down so more people can play and those who early adopted new we where early adopters and we will keep playing even as gas prices go down

crude nimbus
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I agree with this post and would love (and also expected) to be able to use the fuel i generate on my land plot to fund my overworld runs. Any excess fuel I would be happy to sell to the market or hold onto until the market price is at an acceptable level that I wish to sell at. I had thought this was how the fuel mechanic would work?

I’m loving both Zero and Overworld but I’d be playing a lot more if I was able to use the fuel I created from the land I purchased

versed tapir
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I agree and would love to be able to transfer fuel directly into my Overworld Fuel account balance.

This would be a great outlet to prevent fuel price from dropping and would help maintain a balance between using/selling depending on if the fuel is in demand or not.

This would also boost land values as players would buy up land to fuel their own personal gameplay.

ember grove
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Has anyone with land thought of the fact that if overworld players aren’t doing runs, then there will be no fuel to sell?

We are at a critical point on the games launch where everyone’s focus should be on growth, mass adoption and making the game as accessible as possible to people.

FUEL needs to come down to incentivise more people doing runs and more people entering the game loop ecosystem, prices coming down should facilitate that and every dedicated member/player of the illuviverse should be working together to grow the game, not penny pinching from each other’s pockets

versed tapir
# ember grove Has anyone with land thought of the fact that if overworld players aren’t doing ...

It's not about penny pinching each others pockets. It's about giving the land a fair use value to the land owners who paid to produce fuel. This gives them an outlet for the money they put into the game.

I know that there is 1/20 of the fuel the dao sells goes back to land owners--but there should be some sort of fair compromise where the land owners can send over some percentage of fuel they sell in the exchange to their overworld account. Maybe they could send 50% of what they sell to their account, or maybe 100%. Whatever they decide is fair.

Either way, the selling interface needs improvement as it is hard to tell what price the fuel will actually sell at. I have sold thousands of fuel now. Sometimes it sells in 5 minutes if I price it right. Otherwise, Solan has sat for 2 days without selling if listed at market price. It sells if I price it lower, but I don't know what the competeing orders are, so I might be accidentally going extra low more than needed. But I'd just like to make an informed choice what fuel prices.

smoky compass
versed tapir
smoky compass
zinc shard
versed tapir
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nocturne jacinth
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I'm hoping it's part of the package with letting land be on a hardware wallet. Hopefully we get that soon.

uncut hull
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Wait, we can't actually do that?!

dull jetty
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Can we sell fuel we have in ow already? Or only fuel on a land?

versed tapir
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No, just land

smoky compass
vivid pollen
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Hi i have a proposal for the interface of the fuel transfer from Land to overworld.

1 Fuel in illuvium land will be x 20
when transfer to overworld.

This create incentive for landowner to begin playing illuvium overworld.

Possible Exploit : Land is transfer from around to distribute the fuel to different players. Solution : Land that is recently been transferred from another wallet cannot use this facility for 7 days.

Kindly commend if you support this proposal
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vivid pollen
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I would imagine it will be a good idea to let us land owner use our own fuel in the overworld without any DAO taxes or free mints

Example:
Tier 1 (1 fuel site, L6 Extractor) = 25 Fuel per day
25 Land Fuel = 25 x 20 = 500 Overworld Fuel per day

Do note that these fuel cannot be sold. They need to be used in the overworld. Just like how the dev force the land owner to play overworld with the fuel crate drop.

zinc shard
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There is no need to re-invent the wheel.
At the moment land owners can sell fuel in Illuvidex, and buy it again for OW use with minimal loss.
Selling at 0.0000012eth and buying at 0.0000026eth with around 110-120% bonus.
A direct transfer would be the only option what makes sense, after the 75% production nerf.
Adding further "tax" in top of that would be very wrong, leading to workarounds (selling and buying, which negates the transfer use case) and further land owners unsatisfaction.

vivid pollen
zinc shard
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That was the effect of the 75% nerf. I was X production in the begginning, then it was reduced to 1/4X. You want to multiply by 20x so land owners get 5 times the pre-nerf amount for personal use? Will never happen.

vivid pollen
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Then the land will be worthless. Paid so much for it on land sale.

zinc shard
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I wouldnt say worthless, but they took a hit with the nerf, atleast on initial expectations. We still hope as the game progresses they will regain value, either with new utilities or fuel productions increases (aka nerf reversals)

zinc shard
vivid pollen
zinc shard
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auch...its hurts yes...although it is not only ILV related, I feel your pain...

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I agree that landowners should be more "valued", instead of airdrop farmers and such....but the idea is to expand the game to new players, and add value to the ecossystem by network effect....if it works or not, remains to be seen. IMO, airdrops are not worthwhile, too much expense, trouble and freeloadin bots

vivid pollen
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Well i was thinking at least i can use my own fuel so i do not need to pay so much to play the overworld. Currently doing stage 3 runs. Its not profittable at all. We have to be picky which illuvial we catch. Its not the Fuel to enter the Stage. Sometime its the shards. They cost too much and they tend to fail now

zinc shard
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The thing is that now, after nerf, most lands dont produce enough to make runs

vivid pollen
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So far if i sell all the fuel i harvested i will be getting around $0.80 per day

zinc shard
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yep....I am averaging 4$ on a T4....but I buy it back for OW runs... 😦

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so basically one S3 run a day, or 2-3 S2...for a T4 investment feels expensive, but it is what it is.

vivid pollen
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The DAO minting 19x for every fuel we sell is a bit broken. The least they could do is allow land owner to by pass the tax and use their own fuel.

It reduces supply on the market and it add value to land

zinc shard
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I agree....but dont believe it will happen. If it were to happen, no nerf would be needed, just a direct route to OW and the 19x tax could be kept

vivid pollen
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T4 is easy to farm fuel as the efficiency boost is OP. Try building a T1 land.. its so slow

zinc shard
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But I guess team feels that would lead to too much landowners independent play on OW

zinc shard
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I believe T1s might be hard and slow 😐

nimble heath
nimble heath
# vivid pollen T4 is easy to farm fuel as the efficiency boost is OP. Try building a T1 land.. ...

I bought a T4 on Aug 20th. It's nearly maxed out. It's barely the same game as a T1. Playing my T1 plots is an absolute chore that I want to outsource to my kids and pay allowance. The opposite of fun.

I think the price of fuel crashing has a lot to do with land holders selling cheap and buying back as a sort of pseudo-transfer. While some others believe in market forces balancing the fuel price (I don't), land holders think, "I made 450 fuel. I should go on a T2 run, today." We put it up for sale at the price that sells, then we buy it back and get nearly everything because of the bonus (as Richard is pointing out). This is a continuous downward pressure on pricing until they fix transfers. It distorts the entire market from fuel to resources to illuvials, and they need to fix it ASAP.

frigid knoll
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What about send fuel to your other land plots

nimble heath
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Otherwise, there's no gate on progress.

frigid knoll
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Im on the idea that IZ is not a game, and its only an Investment to earn as we can, if you buy a higher tier, and produce extra fuel, you should do whatever you want with it, you own it.

Megacities should buff your lands with the multipliers , with this your are not buffing, your output won't be more, you are only leveraging to speed up your land, in the end you will end in the same spot than someone with only one land plot but faster.