#F2P Milestones Points

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valid mesa
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F2P Milestones (Total 3,605,400 points)

A. Arena (Total 1,730,400 points)
A.1. Defeat Wave in Survival (Competitive Mode) (1,111,000 points)

  • 10 = 1,000
  • 20 = 10,000
  • 30 = 100,000
  • 40 = 1,000,000
    Potential Exploits = multi accounts

A.2. Play Arena Survival Games (222,200 points)

  • 10x = 200
  • 100x = 2,000
  • 1000x = 20,000
  • 10000x = 200,000
    Potential Exploits = clear the first wave then abandon, multi accounts

A.3. Reach Survival Rank (175,000 points)

  • 1 = 100,000
  • 10 = 50,000
  • 100 = 25,000
    Potential Exploits = watch videos, multi accounts

A.4. Play Arena Ascendant Games (222,200 points)

  • 1 = 200
  • 100 = 2,000
  • 1000 = 20,000
  • 10000 = 200,000
    Potential Exploits = snipe match making then AFK, multi accounts

B. Overworld (Total 1,875,000 points)
B.1. Capture T0 Illuvials (210,000 points)

  • T0S1 = 15,000
  • T0S2 = 45,000
  • T0S3 = 150,000
    Potential Exploits = scripts, multi accounts

B.2. Forge T0 Suits (97,500 points)

  • T0S1 = 7,500
  • T0S2 = 22,500
  • T0S3 = 67,500
    Potential Exploits = scripts, multi accounts

B.3. Forge T0 Weapons (97,500 points)

  • T0S1 = 7,500
  • T0S2 = 22,500
  • T0S3 = 67,500
    Potential Exploits = scripts, multi accounts

B.4 Gain Illuvial Experience (1,470,000 points)

  • 100K = 10,000
  • 200K = 20,000
  • 300K = 50,000
  • 400K = 40,000
  • 500K = 50,000
  • 600K = 60,000
  • 700K = 70,000
  • 800K = 80,000
  • 900K = 90,000
  • 1KK = 100,000
  • 1.5KK = 150,000
  • 2KK = 200,000
  • 2.5KK = 250,000
  • 3KK = 300,000
    Potential Exploits = scripts, multi accounts

Common problems : scripts and multi accounts

Potential Solutions :

  • anti cheat
  • captcha
  • kyc
  • link social accounts
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midnight pond
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I know airdrop structure was a quick first wip but this is definitely a major problem

I spent a big amount of money and time and im current 5th in the airdrop but i cant stop to think about all the mutli accounts and bots that farm those free missions and collectively will get 90% of the total airdrop

I see the merit in having missions available for free to play but is it really worth it? im not sure at all

I think we should only have free missions/milestones in ascendant/gauntlet modes

valid mesa
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yea some of them are hard tho like the xp

midnight pond
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The ascendant one problem is not the snipe match making them afk but the fact that even a bot winning 100% of his matches, playing 24/7 with 0 queue time would not get it. Its an undoable milestone

The xp one is actually good, its one of the only one that requires people to play and advance for real

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tranquil ravine
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I think exp is realistically impossible in stage 0, don´t you get pretty much no exp at all there?

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glossy turret
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Man, just delete F2P, whales play all the money, problem solve

tranquil ravine
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I am happy to have f2p options to award points to actual players, multi acc diluting the points for everyone including f2p-players or low spenders is a problem though.

warped otter
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wahahaha all of you so funny guys better tell illuvium founders change there Website not free to play this game is for whales only lots of cry babies born in this community @valid mesa your a council but all your opinion are shiiiiittt!!!

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tranquil ravine
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Being able to play one account, do your things and then do something else seems better to me than having to repeat on X other accs to compete with all the others doing this as well.

midnight pond
# glossy turret Man, just delete F2P, whales play all the money, problem solve

Not delete the modes but the airdrop for it i would agree. Only for the competitive modes it would make sense to have them (ascendant/gauntlet)

If we have 1 person that gets legitimately attracted to illuvium because we have airdrop missions for free but have 100 person just extracting and most likely abusing for each of those 1, is it worth it?

In theory theres merit in having some little airdrop for free but we know how those farmers are. With their bot, multi accounts and 16h spare time they will get 90% of the total airdrop

glossy turret
midnight pond
flint rover
glossy turret
valid mesa
warped otter
flint rover
midnight pond
flint rover
warped otter
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better to suggest .. find ways how we rectified the Multi account thats the better way rather than crying about points of f2p ...

neat pewter
warped otter
jolly linden
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well I am not whale either,

warped otter
grand glen
flint rover
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People actually just want the game to be better and fair for everyone.

We are still in beta so expect more changes fam. Don't be too hot headed

Kieran already stated that the team is accountable for the lapses of the previous system and the abuse in the milestone points.

I am also a f2p player and I just want the game to be better in the long run.

warped otter
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we are in season 1 a lots of cry babies are crying OMG this is the first stage why make a good sugestion rather take out the F2p in the game @valid mesa you must go out in the council your just tinking your self your so bias .. You didnt make any Good or alternative way that F2p and whales can play together and peacefully... You just want to take all the rewards A greedy mind set

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midnight pond
# warped otter then they must announce it this game is only for OGs not for the new comers ......

I think free is good as long as its unabusable. My suggestion is making the competitive games have free portion of reward for being good in the game, not for farming

The 30k/month reward is a way for illuvium to attract people to the ecosystem, real people. If we let our system get abused we actually discourage real players

The way you talk makes me think you are abusing the system, i dont see why you wouldnt see the point we are making otherwise

Lets assume you are a legit player. Are you comfortable with the fact that your reward will get diluted a lot by bots and multi accounts? Im not

valid mesa
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big time and shrapnel require KYC
pixels, u can link social accounts for perks

warped otter
solid smelt
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The worst thing we can do is just give free money to botters, they will leave as soon as the airdrop is over. We need the airdrop going to real gamers. Every last milestone should be against bots

valid mesa
grand glen
warped otter
valid mesa
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astral yoke
flint rover
grand glen
jolly linden
astral yoke
dreamy berry
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You can't take free to play actions out coz it can be abused.

You should find a way to prevent abuse.

If you are not capable of it, then maybe rethink about creating games involving real money idk.

I like the idea of pointing all this to the team, but I hope they are smart enough to create a solution, otherwise the game won't be successful.

warped otter
flint rover
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midnight pond
grand glen
warped otter
austere patio
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If bots are that big a problem give me a call i'll help you stop all botting very quickly and ban those people

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i Write robotic Software for a living what you guys think Bots are doing is much more likely being done by farmers in 3rd world countrys manually doing it. Becuase scripting a game like Illuvium is not nearly as easy as you think and we can break those automations with a daily update that wou'nt effect normal people but crash the bots and tell you who is botting and let you ban them

glossy turret
dreamy berry
astral yoke
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Ok let me summarize the situation to all newcomers and old ones.
to @warped otter ... yes the DAO is ruled by WHALES (or people elected by whales, same thing) whose first priority is to make their investment back. Which obviously is fair.

For that, they need more people to spend in the game. So they are upset to see their potential rewards go away to "F2P farmers".

"F2P farmers" that THEY wanted in and invited with the Airdrop. Airdrop that was made to attract farmers to boost DAU because numbers were horrible and everyone was stressing out for their investment.

Idk about everyone else but i can't help finding the whole situation quite ironic.

Now to our beloved council members like @valid mesa who try their best to represent their electors' interests.
"hunting down" F2P players or "forcing them to pay" will just detract them from Illuvium's ecosystem. Don't let the greed of some in this community ruin the game (even more or again).

and please everyone remember, each of you only wins if EVERYONE wins.

grand glen
balmy latch
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I think maybe changing the Survival milestones to "time played"

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glossy turret
balmy latch
grand glen
balmy latch
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Or even "# of illuvials defeated"

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balmy latch
warped otter
astral yoke
warped otter
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since 2021 the illuvium is there you have a lot of time @grand glen

balmy latch
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we have that stat already. take advantage of it

burnt finch
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I agree that F2P rewards shouldn't be too much that's why I support turning survival arena rewards into multipliers and lowering other F2P rewards

You don't need to give $1000 to each F2P player, $50 for having played a week is enough for most F2P players

warped otter
valid mesa
balmy latch
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@valid mesa Can you think of anything exploitable for "# of illuvials defeated" for survival? once you hit round 25, its 11 or 12 each round. Outside of Multi-accounts?

astral yoke
austere patio
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If its actuall botting lets remove them . If its people completing the system and getting some reward to get them into the system let it be. But if its mutiple accounting and or botting then lets remove them thats breaks TOS

solid smelt
valid mesa
austere patio
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No its not we are not getting rid of fuel usage and making the game free to play

valid mesa
austere patio
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you get 4k worth of fuel of what apperas on your map and the game is to hunt for it, i Lost 35 USD today trying to catch a Ramphite that appeared on a t3 run. Did it suck Yes but that drives the economy just like opening Boxes of MTG cards hunting for my Jace the mind Sculpt

grand glen
solid smelt
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I don't like the idea of KYC

glossy turret
burnt finch
valid mesa
warped otter
valid mesa
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ive suggested to make ILV fully F2P and just sell skins

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warped otter
astral yoke
# valid mesa its a good proposal

felt bad at first... but actually has legs. not sure the DAO will like changing so much the gacha cash-grab economic model at this point in the production and as a response @austere patio that proposal allows for using Crypton for minting instead of for travels. it's not "removing fuel".

Not to mention right now the most expensive isn't traveling anyways, it's all the annex stuff like crafting and curing shards that really gets costly very quickly.

warped otter
glossy turret
# valid mesa there were these

solution: every action u need 2 solve captcha, u shoot a rock? solve this captcha, you wanna fight this illuvial? solve this captcha, wanna enter arena? solve this captcha, wanna go round 2? solve this catpcha 😄 HAHAHAHAHAHAH

austere patio
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Omg we can stop that kind of scripting in a week seriously. They are using Hud Based Items . Its just building Nets to catch them. I mean i work with Robotic Software every day . If they are screen scraping macros its easy to make them give themselves away. With a few Trojan Horses we could ban all the accounts of botters in a few weeks

warped otter
glossy turret
grand glen
burnt finch
austere patio
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A master Shard Cost 50 USD worth of Fuel. But yeah i used 3 Raidant Shards Cured and 1 epic and no catch felt like a hit but it happens

valid mesa
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just for transperancy, some people prob just joined.
we had chinese scripter selling their scripts in wechat groups.
There was a video showing instant teleportation to lazurite and illuvials

astral yoke
grand glen
burnt finch
austere patio
burnt finch
warped otter
valid mesa
austere patio
grand glen
glossy turret
astral yoke
warped otter
valid mesa
valid mesa
grand glen
valid mesa
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im an airdrop farmer too lol
i farmed pixelpals, nyan, pixels, boomland, mavia, shrapnel, tap to earn, bloodloop, L1 L2

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nyan was short and sweet
mavia just need to download

grand glen
valid mesa
balmy latch
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grand glen
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I'm going to stop trolling and try to help: why not implement a one-time purchase feature for playing Illuvium? PN does this in a good way: you can experience the game, but to sell, you either buy a trade license that costs $150 USD or you have to keep playing the game for 4 months straight. This is a good solution for free-to-players who only want to extract value without contributing anything to the ecosystem.

I know this is not a direct solution, but we can always think on a middle ground.

valid mesa
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im trying go play PN but it looks like i need to buy the founder nft, is this like pixels VIP or something else?

astral yoke
grand glen
# astral yoke trying to see if i got you right: does that mean people would be charged 150 to ...

The system works more like a "pay2extract". You have full access to the game as a free-to-play (F2P) player, and you can buy stuff from the market freely. However, to sell, you need a trade license or a free pirate that is level 10 in command rank (about 4 months of playing every day). It works well because you get hooked into the gameplay loop, and every day you play to progress a little further.

astral yoke
grand glen
# astral yoke ok but what happens to the land owners who bought land based on the promess that...

I think if we put on perspective this could be very difficult, we can't overlap the economic model just because i'm using other game as a "sucess case" (putting a bit of salt on my words, Per favore), but we can try to recreate the model to adapt or give a better solution.

"In general we want the players playing as much as possible within the ecosystem and should provide soft rewards they can accumulate from playing, but NOT necessarily the same things they get from paid OW runs. Breadcrumbs should be plentiful to tie between the games as well as tie to the paid OW stages."

This statement has old like wine. Make your players come back everyday to receive some small rewards is the feeling that i'm missing rn on overworld/illuvium. The solution seems complex to not overlap the current genesis land system, but we can offer limited supply produce to land holders so people could test it. Thinking this as a battle pass solution but harness to land holders, maybe a blueprint with a limited supply? Thinking i'm maybe going full circle if the battle pass solution would ended beign the same solution (idk, you can tell me your opinion, seems like you have been here for a long time).

quasi shoal
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Just remove them all.

valid mesa
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Ok

valid mesa
grand glen
exotic sentinel
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It’s impossible to make game 100% f2p lol the game need a profit too😂, i think better to solve problem how to remove the f2p quest because it take 80%++ point for airdrop and making the spend things point isn’t worth at all, but as exchange for that create a solution for them still can play the game and rewarded.

valid mesa
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it is possible to balance between F2P and P2W
P2W points need a boost

exotic sentinel
# valid mesa it is possible to balance between F2P and P2W P2W points need a boost

Yeah that possible for multiaccount player, for some people who has no multi account maybe 30% more player who not doing that or new player there is no chance more for regeneration player, that word indreactly asking every F2P to play multi account , and not focus on exploring or playing the game. It’s way better if there is solution to make F2P play and enjoy the game too, like make a way they can get fuel to playing by work on it, this currenct situation is possible maybe but untill how long soon most T0 will unvalueable it’s mean all of them will ask to only do T0 Loop if they want play after that they will lost intrest to play game and only think about profit from the loop point, which is bad for the market economy.

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The game will die after the 6 month airdrop season end by itself

valid mesa
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What if we do a bigger airdrop

exotic sentinel
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My solution for this instead make all Fuel is free , it’s way better to make allocation fuel by burning illuvial or anything to make all player can play and explore the game, now 95% fuel produce by the game and 5% from land if it’s possible create a bound and unbound fuel and allocate some fuel produce to f2p like burning on illuvial to get some fuel or anything instead just caught and count it as point, so the t0 item still valueable and every new player or f2p player who want to play the game can do it, but in exchange for that developer can remove the loop / abuse multipler quest and still keep the player to playing the game , and also to maintance the market economy they can make more complicated quest where to get point airdrop, ex” caught and hold, and at the end season the item burned to count it as point” this things make the illuvial valueable and no inflation, i can said this because the game system it’s doesn’t work to keep player play the game and spend money just for have fun, it’s not a MMORPG game when a lot of things player can enjoy. People play web3 to invest or earn the money, maybe there is who enjoy the game but how many not more than 1% player maybe.

exotic sentinel
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They still can do bigger airdrop too as long they have more liquid money to buyback the ILV that they drop to keep the value ILV but do you think they will do that? Of course not lol that not how company work

valid mesa
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our revdis system is buying ILV token with revenue

exotic sentinel
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Let me tell you how it work actually, they make airdrop to get liquid money from people who play the game it’s same like the owner selling they supply without losing value of the supply, not a rich people who gave people free money lol they earn money, let’s make it more easy it’s like selling ILV token without sell it if you know what i mean. But i dont said it’s wrong too because they still give a things for it like the game we play or enjoy, but sometime not everythings work well and many things can involve. Except they create a game or platform where people really enjoy and use it like solving problem for some poeple.

burnt finch
exotic sentinel
# burnt finch It's also a marketing tool, it's probably mostly one

It’s explain the ILV value, becuase the value of the ILV is the illuvium game , but if the game is not work it’s mean’s no value on the ILV token, except they create another value for it where people can use it, yeah you can said that marketibg tool too because they cover it on the name of the game but the actually things was where is the money from.

burnt finch
exotic sentinel
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Then it’s mean you dont know how cyrpto work even the basic things

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I explain that because jaganite said there is can be more future big airdrop after the 6 six month of airdrop season

burnt finch
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"the actually things was where is the money from."

valid mesa
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valid mesa
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damn

burnt finch
exotic sentinel
# burnt finch I agree that the airdrop money is partly going back to the Illuvium ecosystem, i...

But with currenct situation there is no way to do that ,look on what i said the game will end on 6 month after the airdrop end you can see that on the top, except they make player more intresting to play the game now soon with T0 items unvaluable it will cut off the new player who want play the game(no player regeneration), and most player F2P will only think about the point and keep loop on T0, without thingking to really play the game and enjoy it,maybe yes there is some pople will reinvest the money from airdrop and play again but after they late more than a month because they cant do anthing excpet do a loop on T0 they will lost the intrest to play game back.

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And the funny thing is spend is not gonna worth at all when spender use more than 10k$ to get 10mill point , but multi account can get 10mill point to by only loop on t0 why people should spend when they can get same as F2P

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exotic sentinel
# burnt finch How to have new players and generate real revenues in your opinion? You're talk...

How many people will spend more than 1k$ do you think when they start the game? Not much not more than 1% people, yeah the game still work in anyway but after that? Do you think they will keep spend every day of course not except the game was really2 great, but not with illuvium now as marketing they already do great to invite player by aidrop , but to maintain player that recive the airdrop play the game that was more important part, but how they can intresting when available things they can do only loop on T0 most people who recive airdrop from preseason will lost intrest to play again and only focus to take profit and leave the game.

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The market of the game still to small to do what you said , but that possible if now more than 1million player playing the game , instead of that it’s better to think a way that make people reinvest they money from airdrop to play the game that impact to econmoy and it will brings another people intresting from mouth to mouth .

burnt finch
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If you don't think that Web3 gaming can replace Web2 gaming well then you disagree with the founders' assumption and the very core of this project

exotic sentinel
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Let said there is who willing to do that what they gonna do? Buying every illuvial listing on marketplace lol

grand glen
burnt finch
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burnt finch
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I'm not sure what your definition of a whale is but for me a whale can put $200k alone in a game

You don't need 100 "whales" to generate $200k

exotic sentinel
grand glen
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rare elm
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Paying players can abuse the current milestone system as well, calculate $ to point value for each milestone, do the most profitable ones and start new account and repeat. Multipliers arent really helping if the only missions you have left are the ones that require a insane amount of time and thousands of $, way easier and more profitable is just to start new account and start from scratch, already have all the weapons and drones etc will be even faster than first time. Atm F2P is a lot easier and more profitable to abuse, but if those F2P milestones/missions would have been removed, then another level of abuse will start. Current system is just very abusable.

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glossy turret
fringe cradle
fringe cradle
# valid mesa F2P Milestones (Total 3,605,400 points) **A. Arena (Total 1,730,400 points)** A...

Jaganite, first of all, I respect you and appreciate your ideas, voted no. because:

Starting with potential solutions:

Anti-cheat must definitely be a logical consideration, yes.
Captcha is already in place.
KYC is ridiculous. Why are we doing KYC for a game? Which Web2 or Web3 game requires KYC?
Why should I link my social media accounts? How will this help? People who use bots can already buy accounts.

A.2 and A.4:
We’re talking about playing the game 10,000 times. Completing Wave 1 in 2 minutes translates to 20,000 minutes, which means playing continuously for 14 days. This amounts to playing 12 hours a day for 28 days. Is it worth 222k points? Absurd. For A.4, it’s equivalent to about a month. Even if you're AFK, you'll have to wait longer.

A.3:
This is not possible. Being first in Web3 is extremely difficult. Yes, it can be done with 2 computers and 2 accounts, but is 175k points worth it? It requires no sleep

I’ve seen a few comments from T0 players and catching Stage 3 Illuvials seems really tough. Scripts might help, but it will be very exhausting. (The team could share this data: How many accounts have caught Stage 3 Tier 0 Illuvials? And were those accounts active in the testnet?)

Aside from that, I didn’t expect this from you, talking about B.4:
To earn 100,000 XP in T0 for free, you might need to fight 1,000 times. If you fight 6 times on each map, that means entering the map 166 times. If each match takes 1.5 minutes, that makes 9 minutes per map, and with Illuvial hunting and returning to base taking about 10 minutes. You need to do this 166 times:
166*10 = 1660
1660 minutes = 28 hours
28 hours just for 10k points
This doesn’t seem very F2P 🙂

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People can earn money by playing for free. I’m not against that. (Of course, excluding bot accounts; for example, Wave 40 could be removed. I wouldn’t object at all.) If a player earns 1.5 million points from milestones after gaining 3 million XP in T0, there’s no issue. That player should be rewarded even more
If a person plays Arena Survival 10,000 times (based on times) without using bots, they should be given more multipliers/rewards. Because real players deserve it. Not everyone has money, and not everyone has to play with a paid approach.

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Our only common issue is that Wave 40 giving >1 million points. We shouldn’t undermine the rights of real players. This is not right. Overall, the feedback on F2P missions is not accurate. In the Pirate game, people buy an NFT for $3,000 to $5,000 and become stronger, but I have only a fifth of their points without any mandatory spending. However, today in Illuvium, we need to spend over $400 to earn 1 million points. Someone who doesn’t spend any money is on equal footing with me. Focusing solely on Wave 40 and converting T0 Weapons and suits into multipliers is the most sensible solution. (I’m not against multi-accounts that spend money; multi-accounts are good for the development of any project.) Thank you.

valid mesa
# fringe cradle Jaganite, first of all, I respect you and appreciate your ideas, voted no. becau...

KYC

  • big time requires KYC to withdraw.
  • shrapnel requires kyc to buy early access and own in game assets.

link social media accounts:

  • pixels give perks if u link social accounts to combat bots
  • mon protocol, link steam account to get airdrop, this is how they combat bots

yes, XP is the hardest to farm.
idk how advance is the scripts.

overall im just listing the F2P points and their potential for exploits.
im not against genuine F2P players as i farmed few airdrops myself.
i believe we have to fight against botting

fringe cradle
# valid mesa KYC - big time requires KYC to withdraw. - shrapnel requires kyc to buy early ac...

Since I'm not against multi-accounts that spend money and aren’t F2P, I don't find KYC appropriate. Additionally, some players can't play this game due to their country's restrictions and need to use a VPN. If their IPs overlap with another VPN user, the system will consider it a multi-account and put their accounts at risk. Moreover, since playing this game is illegal in their country, they likely won't be able to complete KYC. Typically, it's not ethical for projects to directly implement KYC; instead, they use a third-party company for KYC verification. Gitcoin could be a similar solution. At least requiring a 2-point verification would be better :))))

again again again, T0 suits and weapons should be removed, the success of the "clear wave 40" mission should not be points. glhf

valid mesa
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gitcoin passport maybe a good alternative , its quite hard to get high points tho

fringe cradle
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Lastly, linking social media accounts is not a real solution. It's just an excuse* because for bot or cheat users, it's a child's play. Creating a Steam account is the simplest thing I can say. The same goes for other accounts. Buy an account for $1 and keep creating accounts to complete T0 sets and collect 190k points, gathering 1m points with 5 accounts. We need other solutions, like removing the points directly. It's not hard. Opening an IICP for this is even ridiculous to me. Apparently, IICP-63 has been rejected. There are still 10.30 hours left, but the majority is voting to reject it, and IICP-58 needs revision. Will they work on it? We don't know. Let's wait and see.

fringe cradle
valid mesa
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i gave up on them, too hard lol

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i tried to do the human-test but its too much, its like taking the SAT test

valid mesa
fringe cradle
# valid mesa i tried to do the human-test but its too much, its like taking the SAT test

ahahah 🙂 In Season 1, I suggested reducing the 100 points rewarded per hour so that players could earn more because I estimated its impact on the total points to be around 15-20%. By reducing this points, we would have gotten rid of bot accounts farming hours. I got flamed by 20 people in all-chat for proposing this, but I eventually posted this video, and Aaron supported my suggestion, ending the debate. the person who got embarrassed deleted their message, haha
anyway, you always strive to do what's best for all users. thank you on behalf of the community, my friendAtlas_Yeah

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burnt flame
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stupid idea 🐮 who can multiply an account when playing a lot of A2 A3 A4 B4 🤣🤣🤣 you are paying to play so you have the right to ban free players or new players to get more access to the game 😂 do you think you are the one who decides the game

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burnt flame
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Do you know how long it takes to find an arena or survival match? How long does it take to play the number of matches you mentioned? Have you found any account that has reached the milestone so far?

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Can a script or bot win arena and survival mode?

fading hazel
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for arena survival i aggre with u because point verry high and no need a lot time ,but overworld not aggree ,because overworld need a lot time and illuvium need free player for play. if overworld got nerf,illuvium only whale play the game

fading hazel
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To be honest, not all humans want to use KYC BRo because it is personal data, even whales, only a few want to use KYC@valid mesa

valid mesa
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whales dont use CEX?

rare elm
valid mesa
fading hazel
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kyc good to make people not multi acc, but does everyone want to kyc?

valid mesa
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thousands of people did for big time and shrapnel

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and we can use 3rd party kyc

fading hazel
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If you want to have no multi-account, the only way to get close is to delete all F2P milestones.🤣

fringe cradle
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gitcoin passport > kyc.
i don't want to give my ID card to any third party company

hollow crypt
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none wants KYC anywhere

eager whale
fringe cradle
eager whale
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Ok

hollow crypt
burnt flame
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kyc 😂😂😂 I haven't even shown my family my id yet. Do you think I have to kyc just because of a game? Are you sure your id won't be revealed on T3?

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If you have to KYC to play games, fewer and fewer people will find the game.

fading hazel
fading hazel