#Suggestion to Remove Auto Scan Feature for a Fairer Game Experience

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pallid ore
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I would like to propose the removal of the Auto Scan feature from pre-runs in Illuvium. While I understand that the feature is intended to enhance the gameplay experience, it inadvertently creates an imbalance that favors players with more financial resources ("whales"). The ability to auto farm Illuvials without active participation in the market undermines the game's economy and the experience of other players.

Concerns:
Market Participation: The Auto Scan feature allows wealthier players to farm rare Illuvials without engaging in the market, bypassing the need to purchase items they cannot find. This reduces overall market activity and negatively impacts other players who rely on the market for trades and purchases.

Time vs. Money: In any game, players are generally limited by time, regardless of their financial status. However, features like Auto Scan allow whales to bypass time constraints by paying, thus giving them an unfair advantage. In a fair gaming environment, everyone should have the same amount of time, and the game should be about skill, strategy, and effort rather than financial power. (Which only should impact gameplay in the form of Markets)

Recommendation:
To promote a fair and engaging game environment, I suggest removing the Auto Scan feature. This change would ensure that all players, regardless of their financial resources, have an equal opportunity to participate in the game's economy and enjoy the thrill of hunting and discovering Illuvials. By doing so, whales would need to engage with the market to obtain items they can't find, thereby supporting a healthy and vibrant marketplace.

This change would help maintain the integrity of the game and ensure that success is determined by skill and participation rather than financial investment.

Thank you for considering this suggestion. I look forward to a more balanced and engaging gaming experience for all players.

quick grove
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I think this feature was added since there wasn't a way to shutdown the cheats that do this anyway. Although, at these prices, cheating is probably much cheaper.

fair willow
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I disagree...

Overworld was intended to be a fancy card opening.. not everyone has the time to jump around through every corner of the map to make sure they've seen everything, let those poeple pay for this slight edge and we all take advantage of the revenue.

There is no real unfair advantage there, if anything, those who don't pay for it get a slight edge at the cost of time.
Right now, it costs double travel cost to scan, which means if you had the time to look at the whole map, you can do 3 runs for the same price, which in turn makes your runs much more cost effective.

Anyway, i think it's a quick way to generate revenue if someone is willing to pay for it. Doesn't really take anything away for those who don't.

pallid ore
pallid ore
# fair willow I disagree... Overworld was intended to be a fancy card opening.. not everyone ...

THis is just wrong thinking. The people paying auto scan are not taking part in the market and quickly claimed all the world first. THis shortened the game play loop and took farmer players ( that would have recycled their money into more runs ) it in the short run sounds good but over all taking the money out of the market which is secular system and into the Revenue distrubition system that takes a long time and ( PAYS OUT TO THE WHALES) is a Horrible game design

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This doesn't even start to address the issue that You get PERFECT info when scanning and mean you get Higher Value out of your runs becuase you don't have to Guess wether you should capture something or let it go

pallid ore
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@fair willow NO Overwordl lis Not a Fancy Pack Opening , Overworld is A GAME not just part of Arena and Gauntlet. Calling it a pack opening is a disservice to the game itself. They have talked about otehr features they are adding. The fact is Auto Scan needs to Go and no amount of whale love for it can save it if Auto Scan doesn't go Creature Rarity will never matter

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Raids are Comming to Overworld

fair willow
pallid ore
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It has to be abountley clear that including the Auto Scan of a Reigon was bad made the hunt for world first meangless and hurt the game. I get it mistakes happen but any game developer can tell it was a net negative

pallid ore
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The fact it whatever it WAS intended for. The Scan feature is Counter helpful to what they made and thats a Monster Hunter Game.

craggy oracle
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I agree here. At first I thought it would be okay. Yet I believe in combination with other factors, gauntlet, arena modes not in their fullness, ect, it has definitely made an impact.
Maybe halt it until leviathan is live?
I don't really know how much of an impact it had yet we definitely didn't see any whale movement with high tier, first Illuvials flying off the shelves.

pallid ore
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At the very least we should "Disable" Auto Scan for the first month of any new set so the thing that should have been viral the thing that should have drove weeks of people to keep spamming tier 3 games "Finding World First" took just a few hours of whales with armys of shard miners where able to take just a few hours

craggy oracle
craggy oracle
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It can be a way for those with less to progress as well.

pallid ore
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Shard army was fine that was people working together the problem is they could auto sacn and go grab the world first. they LITTERALY SOLD ALL THE WORLD FIRST TO WHALS

craggy oracle
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I like the idea of a month.
I would be keen for an ama soon with a run down of how launch went and what the team believe went well and what may be improved.

craggy oracle
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So the main issue is, the little fish with lots of time that we're ready to grind, basically has very little opportunity to get something to sell on or even just have?

pallid ore
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Yeah i mean if a whale had to buy the world first for them they would have sold for tons but they got them for 20 dollars in fuel each. That fuel goes to the REv Share and is paid back to the ILV holders.... Ohh the Whales.

craggy oracle
nocturne hearth
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This actually disadvantage the whales. They pay a premium (extra expensive) to same time. If a normal ow run is right now 100% ev roi for example, it is 33% with the scan feature

pallid ore
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No it doesn't, it takes them out of the pool of buyers when we need them in the Market. Espically when there where World FIrst. It let them Buy Speed . Someone no one else can have

viscid drum
pallid ore
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There is no RUSH to finish a run you can take all the time you want. What you said is hey these people who don't have a lot of money and are willing to sell you there TIME. You don't need them let us Sell it to you for Fuel. TIME should never be something a Game sells thats what fellow players and the Market is for.

pallid ore
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i can get behind leaving it IN Long term or turning it on when it becomes really Hard to hunt rare Illuvials do to bonding curve but it Has to be Turned off as New Set Releases or you just RUIN what should have been a a Long Week of World First Hunts

nocturne hearth
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How does it take them out of the pool of buyers if they pay x3 the price?

viscid drum
pallid ore
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OK THat Money they SPEND goes Where? It goes to the REV share program. That Gets PAID out to the ILV holders. ( Mainly Whales), If they Buy from Market. That Money goes to people who farm it.? WHo do what with it ? They Spend it on the Market. It Spends more time on the Market. What you've done with the money in this system. Is put it on Hold in the ILV Rev Share then it will get paid out to Whales. WHo will either Restake it OR they will take a profit and remove that money from the ecnoomy

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We need Maxium Money Moving in our market and this keeps it on Hold

pallid ore
# viscid drum which realistically are the ones that will get it most of the time anyways since...

THere where 10k playes online playing when it launch ( They even did a 2 hour hold to let everoyn in the door at the same time). BUt then the Scan Gate killed all the hype that anyone could get a world first after the first hour it just wasn't happening really. Within 24hours everything was capture i think it would have take nearly a week for some of the t3 tier 5's to be capture or fused with having to hunt the maps

viscid drum
pallid ore
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NO i 'm saying we would make more in market Fees

craggy oracle
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I think it deserves looking into properly.

pallid ore
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So Two Things

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  1. If it was up to me i would Remove The Entire Scan Feature all Together. I don't think offering a diffrent version of the game ( ie you know everything) vs ( having to hunt and decided on when to capture what ) is good for the game. Seems like a pay wall
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  1. I can understand offering it long term as an option when its hard to find stuff due to the bonding curve to alow better farming . But i would keep it off for atleast the first 2 weeks or maybe the first 1/2 of each set
ember ocean
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Triping the cost basis for anything someone captures or gathers doesn't seem like an OP advantage from my perspective. It seems like you pay to save time and effort looking around the map.

The biggest legitimate claim I think could be made about the autoscan is that it enabled people to capture the first Illuvials of each type. That's already been done. Beyond that it's a convenience feature.

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I don't think statements like this have any basis in reality: "The Auto Scan feature allows wealthier players to farm rare Illuvials without engaging in the market, bypassing the need to purchase items they cannot find."

If a player wants X thing, and has the money to either farm it or buy it, it's gonna be more economical 11 times out of 10 to just buy it. They might capture some incidentally cool stuff along the way by doing travels with autoscan, but someone else is likely capturing that asset in a non-autoscan run, which means it will have a lower cost to acquire than an autoscanned asset.

pliant moat
# pallid ore We need Maxium Money Moving in our market and this keeps it on Hold

I was against autoscan until I realized how much more money I have spent since game release, both to the DAO and to the marketplace, because it is in place. 😂 Yes, I turned it on so I could get a #1 Sear but I also had to buy lluvials off the market to level up. Cost me quite a bit of money and time but I have no regrets and no guilt that I got Steve this way. Even if you took out autoscan that wouldn't make it "fair" it would just help a different group of people succeed. There's no such thing as fair.

BTW, I don't consider myself a whale, just someone who has been saving up sILV2 for years for game release. Of course, you might consider me a whale, I don't know, one person's fish is another person's whale.

Regardless, whales are not your enemy. We need money. Without money the game dies. Without offering features like this Illuvium wouldn't have gotten the money it did since launch. Salaries need to be paid so we can keep Illuvium going and the more ways we can come up with to get people to drop a bunch of money on fuel, the better.

Blickter is 100% right. Whales who are only here to grab a collectible in case it goes up in value are not going to use autoscan. They will only use the marketplace, whether there is such a thing as autoscan or not. When people use this feature it will increase both money to DAO AND money to the marketplace. Why? It doesn't matter if people have autoscan, not every Illuvial is available so if they want to level up to a S3 Illuviual and have more money than time they are hitting the marketplace to help them do it. Seriously, they turn it on because they lack time. They will get frustrated that even with autoscan on they can't find X Illuvial and will just go buy it but in the meantime you have them paying gas, hunting other Illuvials and starting another collection.

pallid ore
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Auto Scan Biggest issue is it ruined what should have been a longer period of Hype and more Runs trying to Get world first . Secondly we Need Money IN the EcoSystem. Rather than in the Rev Share where it stays locked away longer and is more likey to get be taken as profit when it is paid out. I primarly disagree with it existing at all but i would love to have it atleast stoped when we try to set up a "FAIR" hunt for illuvials by locking the gates till everyone can get online and then add a feature like hey pay 3x the fuel and you can see everything on your map and get your stuff 2x faster than anyoen else doesn't seem like a feature we should be sellin ATLEAST doing that period but i don't think at all. If people are taking longer to do their runs and want more let them buy what they want from the market

pliant moat
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I don't think it ruined it. I think it just changed the people who got the first Illuvials. You wanted people who had more time than money to have the greater advantage. That doesn't make it more fair, just different.

Money for fuel also goes to paying bills not just to whales.

People's desire to have something is activated more strongly once they start hunting for it. Autoscan helps trigger that feeling in a group of people who have money but lack time. They go, they don't find everything they want they will switch to marketplace and will be more likely to spend larger amounts than they would without that trigger. Without that trigger they will either not bother buying from marketplace or will likely spend less.

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Anyhow, I know we don't agree on this and I doubt we will persuade each other, just wanted to comment my thoughts. I have got to take off. Hope you have a great day.Atlas_Love

storm cave
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FUCK YES REMOVE IT. Ive been preaching this sense they put it in the game. this is one of the features that pushed me away from the game. Its a shit idea and it only favs the whales.

river umbra
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the only "fair" thing in life is death..all of us will face it sooner or later, no matter what. Enjoy you time on earth and chill folks.