Air drop points for survival mode waves need to be removed.

[marsh hill]

pay fuel is useless

multi acc survival better. so soon if survival point wave 20,30,40 not nerf, no one want buy stupid expensive fuel

[wanton coral]

bug Ranger xD

[spiral marten]

Maybe give everyone 1 million points and change it to a multiplier.
All back to normal

🙂

[marsh hill]

damn u smart

[marsh hill]

wait but, after that is done, what about new players? new players may not get the 1 million points

[woven hearth]

today's set isnt bugged so will it still count

[marsh hill]

@spiral martengive everyone 1 million points and change it to a multiplier, then for new players who have just come to illuvium it also applies, because maybe in the next week or 2 weeks whales might come and play to compete

[marsh hill]

I agree with your suggestion and add a little bit to it.

[burnt void]

BOT FARMING SOLUTION:

Lock points for low requirement, mass farm, easy tasks

Unlock those early points as players progress to more specialised, challenging, higher requirements challenges

This ensures airdrop points are weighted and unlocked more towards dedicated real account players with a diverse abundance of illuvium assets

[potent snow]

I have posted the IIP that will be going forward here: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1267866392057872466

My initial proposal(which would convert airdrop points to multiplier as mentioned in my post above) was discussed in IMC and by various members of the dev team team. Changing to the multiplier would take a LOT of back end work. I also believe there are constraints on those devs time as they are still working on improving the other game modes. This means that all airdrop points from survival mode milestones will be removed.

With the being said, we get exciting news! They should be able to have randomly generated waves unique for each account at the start of the next season. Which would eliminate this issue and rewards can resume for survival.(The reward structure will be discussed later in this season)

I understand some may be frustrated by the time and effort they put to achieve this goal(trust me I spent half a day working on it also).

In the end, the current airdrop structure has led to paying customers deciding not to spend money until this is resolved. We should never have a blocker to for players who want to contribute to the game. This is the best path forward for the longevity of the project.

[wanton coral]

bug ranger remove points

[stone dome]

forfeit multi account and bug monarch abuse since tournament

[compact spindle]

the work to get wave 40 will be lost beacause some people dont get it

[wanton coral]

BUG RANGER REMOVE POINTS 🤣

[north timber]

Yes bro, its still hard. Even though im just copy pasting the positions. Lol

[compact spindle]

1 hour + to beat stage 40 if you dont lose...

and have so much time of airdrop anyone can beat it in this time

[silver tiger]

i think after todays survival team we have seen that the monarch is not the core issue. wave 40 is easy achieable for some, and those few can share their wave screenshots to make it accessable to anyone. which is still fine. if you active in the community you will get a free 1mill airdrop points.

the real problem i see is people making 20 accounts and just playing to wave 40 on all of them.

is there a way to exclude accounts from airdrop points that did nothing except this milestone?

i think making it a multiplier makes sense, directly disabling multi-accounts

[compact spindle]

spent so much hours to beat and get a multplier is insane

[silver tiger]

yeah but having one person get 100+ accounts with 1 million airdrop points for just copy pasting builds is even more insane and is hurting everyone. i just saw that my msg is already outdated as kieran has drafted an iip that fixes the issue.

[compact spindle]

lol 1 stage 40 is 1 hours 100 accounts is impossible

[worn cairn]

-_- nonsense

[compact spindle]

and have much more points in others milestones to get

[worn cairn]

lol I played the game survival it's time consuming its total 2hrs when I finished the wave 40 lol .

[silver tiger]

you can easily do 10 accounts a day, so if it's beatable on 10 days in a month = 100

i spent ~10 hours to figure out wave 40 on 2 days. this hurts me more than most other people, but i want fairness for airdrop participants.

[compact spindle]

wave 40 team 10 days?

and dont have more milestones missions to do and it give more than 1m points

[dim lava]

Why not just reduce points to 20-30k? Still get rewarded for your time but not unfair to paying players. Its now just on the level of other tier 0 milestones

[silver tiger]

this or making it a multiplier makes the most sense to me.

[shadow pond]

agree with you 👍

[north timber]

before the mainnet this isnt an issue. now in mainnet its an issue?

[wanton coral]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-griffin-gone-crazy-insane-letter-l-gif-17135412

[silver tiger]

pretty big oversight by everybody who played to be honest. was very obvious it is an issue. but we are a dao and we can fix things

[north timber]

if only someone bring this up before the mainnet. we are all aware of the multi accounts but nobody bring this up before

[stone dome]

get them some tissue

[eternal vale]

I did bring up that this could be a problem, to some extend oversight on me, could have pointed it out more severly.
I did assume that those point numbers would be reduced and it was only high to make people play survival on Testnet for testing purposes or that wave 40 wouldn´t be an achieveable wave anymore.

[waxen moat]

Genius

[outer grove]

Then all of the future efforts will be diminished ahaha nice.

[eternal vale]

No, that is horrible, it would dilute the amount of points and reduce the value of any other milestone and any new players.

[north timber]

We have over 2 months to identify the issues. We are all aware of the points in survival in wave 40. Why change it now in mainet?

[outer grove]

Because testnet was sandbox. And nothing really mattered back then

So nobody was thinking seriously or critically. Until they found bugs that they found annoying like: "Capture rates are wrong!"

[waxen moat]

i posted this https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1263120868003942521
But it was not an issue back then because it was free, now on mainnet i wont spend unless this is fixed

[eternal vale]

I believe we had at most 2 days at which one could get 40 and even then it was rather high on the rng side and not easily repeatable even with recordings or screenshots.
Further Test-Net used s-eth not real eth, so every task costed only time, not money.

[worn cairn]

then dont spend thats it..

[waxen moat]

the dao need revenue

[worn cairn]

then we dont need you here, I remember you ! you're the 1st one you fudd this game before!!

[north timber]

Don't get me wrong. I'm against multi accounting but sudden change of survival points is really unfair. But i also get the frustations of people who spend real money

[waxen moat]

👍

[waxen moat]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-fran-healy-sign-sarcasm-sarcastic-gif-27535428

[worn cairn]

we are here to discuss the issue, not your selfish shit..

[eternal vale]

I agree with that point, people at the time maybe could have been aware of this is too good to be true, or that there are bugs involved/recordings and it is fair to consider recordings an indirect exploit as well, but people also could have not been aware.
That´s why I currently don´t agree with the notion of removing all the points from people as well.

[eternal vale]

I am not sure if it was and even if I don´t think this topic and thread are the place for it.

[waxen moat]

scroll up

[outer grove]

We are just rehashing past conversations.
Jaganite mentioned on message 59 that a multiplier woulf be better than a flat amount of points. Others already mentioned how it would be unfair to remove everyones points. Then there was 700 messages of spam, and now we are back to the first 300.

[waxen moat]

fax. thx garf

[eternal vale]

Yeah, it often happens in these long threads, could argue sometimes it is reasonable to point out similar things again, as not everyone will read up to the first messages as well, so avoiding confusion and repetion are certainly good.

[waxen moat]

you should see yesterday, it was interesting

[eternal vale]

I did, didn´t think there was valueable interjections to be made and I´d like to not derail into spam messages again.

[north timber]

Whatver the decision of the devs we just gonna go with the flow lol

[eternal vale]

It is a DAO, community can make IIPs and council and approve them.

[worn cairn]

well I am not favor notion of removing all the points! there's another way for that!

[stark ember]

1m points for each 30 minutes, lfg

[pastel orchid]

to easy today

[stark ember]

best economy of web3

[outer grove]

So what is the plan?

Monarch was a bug. So we can now change everything without going against IIP (59?)

However, today people got wave 40 without the bugged monarch.

1. We can delete all points.

2. We can give a small amount of points for the effort people put into it.

3. We can ask for the team to make a multiplier that supposedly is difficult from a technological standpoint.

But in the end, future airdrop seasons wont include points for survival.

So, dont delete all points but give a small amount of points? Lets get to a concensus of how much "a small amount" should be?

[waxen moat]

well

[lapis hamlet]

Why not increase the other milestone to balance the prize pool and create a win-win situation?

[waxen moat]

multi accounts is the biggest issue

[stark ember]

this is good too

[compact spindle]

the thing is this guys dont like free players making some points💁

[karmic canyon]

Just make it a multiplier to eliminate multi accounts or make survival arena only accessible after playing and leveling for a good amount of time for any new account then the jobless degens won't have time to finish it on new accounts.

[stark ember]

hahahahaha

[compact spindle]

in milestones have more missions you can do in multi acc and give much more points

[waxen moat]

Clearing wave 40 gives u 1,111,000 points
someone with 10 accounts can get 11m points
thats more than the whole milestone

[compact spindle]

if do 10 waves 40 is easy why u dont go and do this💁

[waxen moat]

yea thats why F2P points is always gonna be an issue
the most ideal is to give multipler
or points low enough it doesnt make sense to do multi accounts or botting

[stark ember]

you are so smart 🤣

[waxen moat]

because i dont want to exploit the airdrop?

the vid to clear wave 40 is up

[compact spindle]

the guy who spent 6 hours in arena beting wave 40 seeing the 0.15 multiplier😲

[stark ember]

Already farmed 8m today, all f2p, this is so good

[north timber]

Damn, thats a lot. U already beat someone who spent 2k usd 🤣

[stark ember]

yeah, I just watch a video and follow the same steps, it's so hard

[waxen moat]

pfft not even close

u gonna need so much more to even get 4m points

[potent snow]

Feel free to join the official discussion in the IIP forum: https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1267866392057872466

[north timber]

That's just for this day

We know now streamers are already done with it. So i don't think there will be another wave 40 video nxt

[shadow pond]

Just delete mission wave 40 like mission forge all suit/weapon 😆

[waxen moat]

testnet gave us 0.3 tho

[sweet ravine]

Testnet was .15 but you could do it four times

[slender pelican]

I would say that there is a very simple solution to avoid this, and that is that only the top x players (for example 5000) receive the airdrop, and that the amount is distributed by position and not by points. so becoming multi-account doesn't make sense, Or at least it's more difficult. Of course all of you who have abused or are F2P are not going to find it funny.

[wanton coral]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-memes-cat-images-cat-meme-gif-4644773688486402896

[subtle mountain]

probably season 2 will be reworked but now this one.

[outer lance]

1M points easily puts you in the top 5000 and anyways it's not a good solution since it would still excessively devalue OW's milestones

[ionic flare]

You cant change again in season like you did before, keep it this way now but change it for the next one indeed

then do it yourself

[sullen raft]

lmao who do you think I am? xD it's done already

[slow herald]

Yesterday I was ranked 70th, today I ended up at 1958th, I did the arena and went back to 58th, there are a lot of people with multiple accounts, this is sad given the amount I invested

[magic willow]

Damn!
I were around 100th in this season before i left for work, when i came home im in the 1729th xD

[real tusk]

that proofing that they need to do something to the milestone survival

[magic willow]

Definitley, otherwise there will be thousands of accounts with 1M points.
If they keep it i would have to pay someone to show me how to do it, or stop participating untill next season or something like that...

[slender pelican]

This game's scoring system is as disastrous as its direction. The reality is that, no matter how many points there are, it is a mission that everyone can do, the only thing you need is to copy someone, and if everyone does it on a lederboard where you only get airdrop according to your position on the lederboard without taking into account the number of points, In the end it is as if it did not exist. For these types of things other projects use that system. The Illuvium system is designed so that bots and multi-accounts can take advantage of everything they can and more, since if I'm not mistaken, it averages all the points obtained among all the players and distributes the reward percentage based on your points or something similar. . This, regardless of whether they remove that mission or not, is going to lead to people creating accounts non-stop and using bots non-stop to do the free missions and get a lot of points from the airdrop, Since the only important thing is the points you get, something that will be impossible to control. This mission will also generate an even greater appeal effect, and many people who did not know or were going to play the game will come to take their free money simply by doing that mission with many accounts. And that will cause the airdrop to be worth nothing to anyone, it will be diluted among many accounts and players, and the most affected will be the players who have spent money.

The logical and sensible thing here would be to create a lederboard like the one I mentioned, which is what other projects use to help control these things and make the airdrop more consistent, with a system like that you don't even have to investigate so many accounts, you just those at the top. Also considerably reduce the points of that mission so as not to force everyone to do it (I have already done it just in case), and those who have already done it by creating 100 accounts, and are already crying, complaining and saying that this should not be changed because they want to be able to take advantage and abuse, You have to ignore those people. But this is illuvium, we cannot expect them to do anything logical or meaningful, they will make a crazy decision that will lead us to disaster, as they always do.

[indigo sandal]

the big problem is the alt account grabbing the 1 million point and reducing the reward pool for all of us. A fresh noob account should not be able to clear wave 40 by himself the day he create is account.

[outer lance]

I didn't understand you correctly at first though I still prefer rewards proportional to your amount of points, not based on your position

Rewarding F2P players is beneficial for the game because it acts as a marketing tool:
More players = more word of mouth and more engagement on socials + bigger DAU number

Maybe they should lower points for F2P players though besides survival

[slender pelican]

You can make money being F2P with that system, you naturally have a disadvantage but that's it. Of course here the only thing that matters to everyone is their pocket, and what I just said is not going to be of interest to many people who do not benefit from it, it does not matter if it is a better system than the current one, nor that the current one loads the game and generates infinite bots and multi-accounts, the only thing that matters is what benefits me the most.

[pulsar edge]

People don't understand that airdrop that doesn't have leaderboard are the worst and probably are going to give peanuts to everyone; whales would feel bad to receive 100~200 usd airdrops and peseants/sybil farmors are going to receive 5 usd worth of airdrop from doing free tasks. This is just a lose/lose situation.

[pulsar edge]

Creating multiple accounts still the best meta because nobody is incetivize to doing does tasks that give ou 50/200 points, it's way better just to farm t0 sets for EV. The system is not good itself, making a leaderboard would resolve a lot of problems in one hit.

[slender pelican]

With a lederboard you may be interested in doing all the missions, and rewarding the people who do the most difficult missions, such as capturing all the tier 5 illuvials. With the current system what is interesting is to create accounts without stopping to do the free missions, cheap and easy to make. It is nonsense, and it is impossible for them to catch so many multi-accounts. Of course the lederboard system does not interest most people, so they will try not to implement something like that and continue with something like the current one, unfair, poorly done and that creates a lot of problems, but which they can take advantage of.

[mystic arch]

ask yourself, who would invest money and time when you can make 6 accounts and by copying yourself earn 1M free points in a few minutes?

[mystic arch]

Is why they should delete the wave 40 1M points mission

[subtle mountain]

the moderators already told us that multiaccount is allowed . I myself asked when I saw milestones for the first time on beta. So I think if it's not agains the rules, things should be just the way they are now and in the second month they might focus the airdrop more on pvp so the free to play don't have a chance and the guys who spend money can keep it all

[pure mirage]

@exotic lynx Is this true? ...

[exotic lynx]

We can’t stop multi accounts without KYC. Missions are meant to mitigate that. There will be an IIP for this particular case.

[subtle mountain]

It's true. I asked a lot of times. what they told me was "it's not against the rules but why would you divide your milestones"

[mystic arch]

Sure, but if you earn more points by copying yourself and in 40 minutes, creating many accounts. Why would you invest money and time to end up with fewer points than the other and risking your money?

[steady zealot]

devs only listen to @potent snow. we all notice that. even you guys complain. when caveman cry, they will baby sit him

@potent snow This person don't care for you guys, he wants to grab all the rewards for himself not for you.

[subtle mountain]

well. this problem they can adress on the 2 month and ahead. changing things over and over in the middle of a competition is not right too

[bronze quest]

It makes sense to change the survival reward to a multiple of the test reward

[subtle mountain]

keep the focus totally on pvp and the ones who paid will have their money back on the second month... it's not that hard to resolve

[steady zealot]

as you could see, play2airdrop are suppose to be a marketing, and let somebody experience the gameplay, but what happened rightnow are just greedyyyynesssssszzz

hype guild greeds sucks

[mystic arch]

That mission makes no sense, people in 40 minutes, free and COPYING, earn more than someone who invests money and weeks of their time

[steady zealot]

we still have 5 season, i don't know you guys stll crying for season1.

[exotic lynx]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1267866392057872466

This fixes it guys

Go vote

[pure mirage]

NICE

[steady zealot]

Vote is useless, you guys still removing the dislikes. you still want them win.

[exotic lynx]

lol we don’t remove dislikes

[mystic arch]

Yes, hopefully if they change that, the points will be subtracted from those who won, copying themselves unfairly for the rest

[exotic lynx]

And the council has the final vote on snapshot anyways

Community council then main council

[steady zealot]

it was remove yesterday, they always say it's bot :))

[exotic lynx]

Nothing is removed

If they are bot accounts joining the discord. They are removed from the server as bot accounts. But no votes are being removed

[steady zealot]

@willow musk <--- removing dislikes

[mystic arch]

already vote, please keep the game clean from people who don't want to play and are only looking for quick rewards 🙏🏼

[steady zealot]

here @exotic lynx

[exotic lynx]

Yeah bots

Not dislikes

[steady zealot]

@exotic lynx , please manage your moderator.

[exotic lynx]

If they get kicked by the server

As a bot

People try to bot discord votes all the time it’s not something new

[stark ember]

You are happy with your 20 accounts of 1m points?

[brave brook]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gif-5123331850448605417

[gusty relic]

Make Illuvium Great Again! Do not remove 1M Quest.

[real tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sad-upset-tears-funny-gif-8933916

[brave brook]

Dynamic Survival should definitely be implemented, where it is randomized.
What happens with survival in general for season 1 tho?
will it be completely removed?

[distant turret]

What is IPP ?

[rich tartan]

I'm already thinking dynamic survival mode for every account is probably one off the best way to go on.

As i still don't think removing any arena points/millestones is the way to go.

Yesterday (30july), it wasn't any bug/exploit involved to made it to wave 40 if i'm not wrong (copying a youtube video is not an exploit imo), so i'm not sure how you can remove thoses points anyway. And anyway they will probably be more waves 40 done without any bug until this IIP is UP.

Also you completely nullify the interest for player to play arena until the end of season1 (1 september).
So expect very low players pool for 1 months, meaning few report bug as little bug fix. Bad for the arena mode.
They're obv more than 1 bug on arena who need to be fix atm. But that's another topic, right, just saying.

Not sure about that one but we should have 2 distinct IIP (Dynamic mode ≠ removal of arena points) so we can agree on one and disagree on the other.
Or at least can change tille to Dynamic Survival mode + Removing all arena pts/millestones from season 1 to make it more clear.

My humble opinion.

[brave brook]

look i like to look at things no biased in these case, and as someone who has hit the 1M points,
Make Survival Dynamic
Remove all points for survival
Implement multiplier as reward if completing the survival milestones with the new dynamic survival mode.
and we all move on from this, this is the most right and fair thing to do for both parties.

[north timber]

What happen? I think yesterday people farmed 1.5B pts 🤣 because of arena wave 40 multi accounting

[rich tartan]

you didn"t get my whole point. Removing point in arena will make player not play it anymore, or only the more dedicated player let's say. That bad for the game as bug will take more time to find and fix. Another points, player will grind up another mod, find bug use them same problem. Starting like this,we could end with only paid quest available, who is terrible for the economy imo.

[north timber]

Free 2 play > people spending 2k usdc

[rich tartan]

• Paid player have XP quest making 1'570'000 points with few hundreds bucks.

• fix this in the meantine, 300k xp = 30k pts

[brave brook]

the only other option is to do this same thing but keep all survival points for this season as is. and implement the new system for season 2

but all i can say is that keeping one waves points and removing another, will be the worst choice, so as long as that is not the one chosen, all good.

[glossy path]

Imagine you have been grinding in the Arena since the start of the main net just to beat Wave 40, only to find out the next day that the 1M points for the Arena milestone will be removed.

[outer lance]

Imagine you have been grinding overworld since the start of the main net and put $1000 into it to get 1M points, only to find out that hundreds of players have got 1M points in 1h by watching a video and copying its positioning without having to buy any fuel or NFTs

This is way worse especially to Illuvium

[glossy path]

Then play Arena and beat Wave 40, you will now have 2M points.

[outer lance]

I have 2M points

[glossy path]

What if we set a minimum number of hours played to reduce multi-accounting?

Players who abused the Monarch bug should not be included in the 1M points.

[outer lance]

It's a nice idea but it wouldn't be enough to fight against excess devaluation of OW's milestones

[brave brook]

once again, worst decision.

[brave brook]

^^^^^

[glossy path]

What's Kieran's opinion on this issue? Sorry I'm late on this one.

[brave brook]

this is the purposal made in regards to this

[glossy path]

But isn't it unfair for the real players who spent days just to beat Wave 40? I think some players beat Wave 40 before the Monarch bug happened.

[brave brook]

no matter what you choose one side is going to look at something unfair. This is why there is coming to a compromise

and in these cases one can not make a decision going in completely biased

[sweet ravine]

Unfortunately, this isn't a new issue.... #🎮〕illuvium-overworld message

Was mostly ignored for quite some time. Until one day there was confirmation, multiple accounts are acceptable.

That's like six weeks ago...

[burnt void]

Low requirement, easy tasks should have locked points to prevent mass account farming

Those points get unlocked, as the account achieves more challenging, higher requirement tasks, to ensure real players with diverse abundant illuvium assets

[glossy path]

They should also update the Milestone text, it should be "Milestone (Temporary)".

Since everything can change in just a split second.

[topaz arrow]

You just have to be very hard on those who have multi-accounts!!!!

[glossy path]

They can't handle multi-accounts. Maybe the best solution is set a minimum number of hours played, like 100 hours playtime or more.

[open comet]

I saw a print of a person with 1m points at rank 1700, I think at least 2.5k made 1kk with wave 40, that's really unfair

[glossy path]

You mean more than 4k?

[open comet]

I hadn't seen that haha

[sweet ravine]

and then three weeks later: #💬〕general message

but the missions and milestones were not changed.... whoops

[rich tartan]

yeah didn't knew it will need to go through DAU to make it change, i was expecting team to change/adjust it on mainnet, personnaly.

and ofc multiaccounting is a know problem, team choose to tolerate it over fighting it since early pre-season 2. But no new official statement on the mainnet.

[sweet ravine]

That was the result after my sixth attempt... Might have been time to squeeze in one or two after that.

[shadow sky]

Yes, same as me, I was 230th yesterday, now 2000

[sweet ravine]

shouldn't ignore the important feedback... now it's a mess 🙂

[real tusk]

only change the wave 40 and 30 to multiplier will fix this

[sweet ravine]

the issue, it's too late

[real tusk]

1k+ multi accounters has been farming the wave 40 and with that we are at 1.5B+ total point rn

[sweet ravine]

absolutely!

[shadow sky]

No, it is not too late...

[sweet ravine]

I think according to the rules drafted last time they changed stuff mid season, it is.

[shadow sky]

People saying they spent 4+ hours to get the 1M points so shouldn't be removed are ridiculous. 4 hours was worth 400 points in testnet. How many points can you get in 4 hours of paid play?

[glossy path]

Nyan Heroes fight against multi-accounting

[sweet ravine]

they would have to cut it off, right now, perhaps they are waiting until august 1st, and this was the plan all along, to buy time to hand craft the missions and milestones?

Nyan heroes? wtf is that ?

[glossy path]

another web 3 shooter game

multi-accounts don’t benefit from their latest airdrop

[sweet ravine]

clever!

[shadow sky]

The reality is, if you can do 1m points with 4 hours play and multiaccount, everyone's efforts will be worthless. You will have 100,000 accounts with 1M points, you will get $10 for your time if you're lucky. No one wins

[real tusk]

yeah 4h is not even alot when ppl that spend time on private beta and first 2nd week of open beta point got rekt because of holo and dark holo point

[shadow sky]

May aswell remove the airdrop now since we got 1-2k new accounts with 1M points overnight

[open comet]

4 hours is still a lot, there were many people who managed to do it in 30 minutes haha

[misty summit]

Because they don't just ban accounts that were recently created and have more than 1m points almost without playing overwall, that already gives you an idea of ​​what they did.

[glossy path]

Illuvium Overworld

• Minimum 100 hours of playtime required, or remove points received from playing Overworld.

Illuvium Arena

• Minimum 100 hours of playtime required, or remove points received from playing Arena.

[open comet]

that would be interesting

[real tusk]

with just 24h of time span there is 1k+ account that reach wave 40 with just 1 vid. the rest of season 1 will be not worth to grind

[shadow sky]

Correct, its pointless

The entire Illuvidex market will likely collapse, because the value of all activity is reduced. There is no point crafting your suits, weapons etc. for airdrop now

[marsh hill]

nice,and i spend 2k$+ only rank 1300+ with 600k point + 🙂

[misty summit]

What should be done is, delete or ban accounts that were created 1 or 2 days ago and only have 1m points, without playing almost overwall, it doesn't make sense and to increase the audience and for the market to move, they should set an arena to pay you according to where you are at the top and to pay you the rewards at the end of the season without vesting, and those rewards would come from the current AirDrop, they could allocate a % to incentivize people to put together a team and fight for the top, making the market move, people come to compete and also going to the land would make sense, because currently it makes no sense to go to a land.

sorry for my inglish is the google xd

[sweet ravine]

I feel like it should be, kudos to that guy, for shining the spotlight in public, where it's been shining in private for too long already.

[rich tartan]

why didn't you clear all xp quest yet with that money spent ? 1.5m points ur missing

[real tusk]

why should spend more when its just x3 from the f2p point?

[rich tartan]

zzz im agree on this already but make it 100k pts at least

[shadow sky]

To be honest, why do we give Airdrop points at all for the competitive game mode? It is literally the only game mode where there is absolutely no spend required, and no incentive to spend. At least Ascendant and Gauntlet encourage spending, OW obviously does. People can come into the Illuvium world, just play competitive mode, and never touch anything else, we really don't need to incentivise it at all.

[rich tartan]

but spend your money wisely thats it

if not, you cant complain spending x amount of $ for getting x amount of points

[reef thorn]

because you cant reach wave 40? how noob you are? its so easy to reach wave 40

[whole epoch]

but the team also had a clear rule that multi-accounts have to be declared as such. That means you had to name your accounts Ligyron1, Ligyron2,...
It is 100% clear that these milestones are only meant to be cleared one time per person. Therefore, any account that exists to clear milestones a 2nd, 3rd and so on time is an exploit. That includes f2p tasks and paid task (a whale could start over after clearing the easy tasks). In my opinion this behavior is a clear violation of the existing rules and should cause all accounts of that person to be banned permanently.

In terms of declaring videos/guides an exploit, I have to say, that sounds wrong because guides, coaches, friends who find something out, should be fair game.
Obv. the real unfairness (aside from multi-accounts) lies just in between valuation of milestones for paying costumers vs milestones for f2p. I see this unfairness, but I am not sure if this is correctable retrospectively because of IIP-58 since I don't see any sort of exploit for yesterdays survival leaderboard (again, aside of multi-accounting).

[rich tartan]

Also, we are only reacting to problem for now instead of trying to anticipe them, that's a big mistake. Just trying to anticipe 'arena survvial without points don't incentive ppl to play it', make it bad for the mod itsef to evolve in a good way as long as the icentive are in (6 months).

[worn cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[mystic arch]

I invest 100 USD, I've been playing 8 hours a day, I hit rank 160, I come back from work and see I'm at rank 2150, it makes me want to play this kind of stuff, it's unfair.

[mystic arch]

I have to be writing down an illuvial paper by illuvial to know which one I need to capture, just to earn 35k points and someone comes to copy a 30 minute video and gets 30 times more points than me

[sharp wedge]

I was imagine a world, that today release another video to reach wave 40, everyone do it. And all this discuss will be forget

[hardy copper]

watching a potential one now..:p

[sharp wedge]

haha nice, It will resolve all the problems haha

[open comet]

and at the end of the airdrop everyone receives 10 dol as prizes 😂

[rich tartan]

Clear rule mean, for me, to have them write on T&C'(they are any?) or at least on the annonucements channel by team member.Too much mess on other chan and community mod say thing that counter team thinking sometimes (no offence).

So let's say we can allow multi for Beyond and Zero, and ban them if used for OW or Arena. Looks good imo but who's gonna do the job 🙂 ? Team is crawling already.

If we can't fight multi, try to mitigate them at max. But don't kill f2p by doing it. that's it imo.

[hallow crane]

[edgy scarab]

Support to bane the multi accounts and remove the points. But those who do not use multi accounts not.

[north timber]

Yeah, it's better to remove multi accounting that removing points in survival

Survival / arena is for free to play players and players who also pay real money.

[marsh hill]

1.5 m point if i can reach wave 40 survial hmhm,but i dont know how to use this stupid bug

[marsh hill]

u have brain? u can reach because u use bug, use ur brain, give me screenshot u reach wave 40 without use monarch

stupidd talk like pro but use bug 🤡

[rich tartan]

i was referring to XP millestones. Do the math if you clear them all.

[waxen moat]

Wave 25, 4 x 0.15
Wave 40, 2 x 0.3

[marsh hill]

need a lot time for got a lot xp,sir,

[marsh hill]

how much total u need fight illuvial for got 100.000 xp?so maybe i can count the fuel and energy

[rich tartan]

see you start thinking wisely and efficiency. Still long way to go for perfection.

can figure it by yourself ofc, you will have the most reliable data too.

[mystic arch]

It is as simple as applying changes so that they cannot be copied, reset the points earned in arena on days 29-30 and if they were "good enough players" to win on their own, they have 30 days to do it again, but if they were copied, with the new dynamics they could not

[rich tartan]

Changing surival to a multi it's a good start if i can say, what about ascendant ?
And about the others millestones who are impossible on a month lenght season ?
And the Unbalanced one like fusing ? And so on.
This other thing will be good if changed before season 2 start imo.

[mystic arch]

Yes time and money, but if u decide copy a YouTuber you can do the same free and only in 30 min

[waxen moat]

im guessing we carry over the milestones.
yea fusing need to be broken down to tiers

[marsh hill]

yeah iam wrong invest,2k$ for useeles point

[worn cairn]

WHAT IS THE BEST IDEAS AND SUGGESTION HERE?

[ionic flare]

You meant, everyone wins. A small amount

[north timber]

You didn't follow the youtube video?

But yeah. Its unfair for those who only play overworld

So arena/ survival is supposedly for free to play players. But now since f2p earns more points faster than overworld players. They decide to remove it. But if it's a multiplier that's fine for me.

[shadow sky]

Well not really, because it is bringing in players who wouldn't otherwise play, to take money from the pool of actual regular players. So if you're a regular player, it is possible that the 1m reward existing is making you win less money than you otherwise would, even if you actually also got the 1m yourself.

Meaning you yourself, are better off if the 1m reward never existed (if you are a genuine regular player)

[mystic arch]

Maybe court with previous days if that player competed in arena and usually reaches wave 29 30 or more, they realize that if they play often trying the mission and understands the game mode. Now if you see that he never played arena or never went above 9 or 10 and yesterday he happened to pass 40, reset points.

[opaque mural]

I don't think we should do that because this is how the game is introduced to many gamers around the world. Are you just playing for the airdrops? What about the game's future development?

[reef thorn]

i already reach 40 again yesterday noob player.

[marsh hill]

i dont want use my time for doin abuse bro

[marsh hill]

give me screenshot if u not u monarch🤡

[north timber]

This is better

[past jay]

Bruh dumbest player 😂

[north timber]

Its not abuse 😫

It becomes abuse if a player makes 3-5 accounts to have 3-5m pts in survival

[static fox]

#1267866392057872466 message
All point from survival mode will be reset👀

[waxen moat]

we havent voted yet lol

[pulsar edge]

Who cares? They already voting for removing the points. I think this is the worst solution and everything is aligned to favour a certair group, no hope for this airdrop to actually expand free2player experience and would be better just to grab your money/time into game that actually cares more about community instead of trying to fight with whales that vote for their on interest. Everyone just saw what happened to Polkadot governance and this actually the problem when you associate money = voting power. I would love to see more incetives for leaderboard/competitive scene into the game, but this is far away from the interest of the governance. Copium.

[marsh hill]

yeah and see u guys time waste for up wave 40,30 will be reset soon

[waxen moat]

token stakers vote for the council, the council vote on proposals

[outer lance]

What confirmation? I only see people speculating

[past jay]

You aren't smart enough to realise if you complete it you can get multiplier.

You also need brain to play in TFT. It obvious that you don't have that 😂

[shadow pond]

i see 1500 account 1M points from survival mode 😆

[waxen moat]

how to see that

[shadow pond]

just by looking at some of the players who completed wave 40 recently this morning

[waxen moat]

good deck too today?

[shadow pond]

no, before reset daily

[past jay]

Be patient council will serve justice in no time

[north timber]

saw it too. they will remove all survival points.

i see so they will remove t0 milestones too?

so they will remove T0 milestones and Survival points? @pulsar edge

[ionic flare]

If the remove T0 milestones then you can say game over

Let the 100 remaining people play their own game lol

[pulsar edge]

I would like too, as well. T0 are way worse and less skill intesifies, but who cares? People in here just want to force your behavior instead of let my free will to decide wich one i would like to play for fun/competitiveness.

[pulsar edge]

I actually think is their final plan. I don't see anyone playing T0 stages for fun. lmao.

[ionic flare]

Fully agree, only time you do tier 0 is to get starting gear and then it will be ignored.

[pulsar edge]

https://tenor.com/view/neon-genesis-evangelion-asuka-souryuu-langley-katsuragi-gif-26476502

[mystic arch]

It is still strange that they let the same people who abused copying in wave 40 vote, it is like putting a criminal to be his own judge, the decision is obvious. Only ILV holders and those of us who invest eth in the game should vote

[ionic flare]

What a stupid reasoning is that.

[outer grove]

Well this is just an ideas channel. Based on the feedback here, an ILV-holder can write up an IIP and it will go to #1126838877429182506 to then be discussed and voted on by ónly ILV and land holders.

[mystic arch]

Which

[pulsar edge]

I'm a land holder, can i vote? How much vote power do i have?

[outer grove]

I think you should be able to vote. And it would have a power of 1. Just like any other holder.

[opaque mural]

I think there is still a way to verify the copied account, the important thing is whether we are smarter enough or not.

[ionic flare]

Leave it or remove it. Don't give whales the multiplier ffs

[bronze trench]

i think the best thing to solve this problem is to change the million points to a multiplicator so multiaccount doesnt benefits too much from it

[ionic flare]

Only if you are someone with a high base number of points

For example. 500k gets you an extra 50k. While 50k gets an extra 5k

Absolute 45k difference because of the multiplier

So you get less in comparison with whales

[brave sorrel]

It is fair. It is fair that people who spend money in the game could win more points than people who don't.

[ionic flare]

Let's fix something broken with another broken thing that benifits me first.... I hear you

[opaque mural]

I have a way to filter. But when I speak, no one listens to me.

[brave sorrel]

Man, I don't know if you have realized the benefit/cost of each mission, but crafting missions for example, requires so much money. For crafting T5 suits you need to spend 1K USD in Solon. It is not worth, even for the whales. So, even with multipliers there is a maximun of benefits that a whale could get.

[hazy dragon]

1. the placement can affect the passage of the wave and make it impassable.

2. if we as a guild try to close the 40th wave together, this is not considered unfair receipt, because guilds are created to help each other.

3. why did you not raise this issue in the testnet, this is not clear.

4. if there are no free points for players who do not invest anything, then there will be no influx of new players.

5. you may think that it is not necessary to remove the reward for the 40th wave of survival, but you can just increase the number of points for planned milestones.

[outer lance]

There are points for players who do not invest anything, don't need to give them 1M for doing a task that can be done in 1h

[hazy dragon]

read again the post that was written

[outer lance]

I read it again and I repeat my point

[hushed lagoon]

You wrote in your point 4 "if there are no free points..." The guy just said he doesn't need to give them 1 million. It seems very easy and understandable... Btw, guilds can help each other with a dynamic survival, in fact it get even more interesting...

[mystic arch]

I think like you, they copied and revive free points. Is unfair

I'm going to leave the game anyway, I was ranking 160 and now I'm 2270 because they gave them points. I need to invest a lot of money and more time than I have been playing to even catch up with one of these copycats, I better leave it and look for a game that rewards effort and not those who look for shortcuts.

[outer lance]

So far it looks like these points will be removed or divided by 20, I don't think it's worth leaving because of that if they fix it

[mystic arch]

It's just that I'm tired, I see it as very unfair, because I have been playing every day for 8 hours, writing down the illuvials on a sheet of paper one by one to get 15k points and they give them points like this

[hushed lagoon]

No worries bro. They will reset the Survival mode points for season 01. The proposal is up for voting and the decision seems unanimous.

[ancient rapids]

Kieran said they will remove the points and change the milestone for survival

[barren pivot]

its pretty stupid to have people grinding objectives for 50, 200, 250 points. and then theres a milestone sitting there thats a MILLION POINTS which can be done no time flat.. really stretching my mind wondering why no one noticed the ridiculousness of that.

[whole epoch]

stress, nobody had time to even think about anything that is not already on the task board. Don't blame them. It is normal to just take your head down and work through checklists if the time management is too tight.

[acoustic locust]

Do you know where this was mentioned?

[ancient rapids]

maybe in general channel. i just saw a screenshot

[acoustic locust]

Alrighty, ta

[barren pivot]

fair point. i am actually personally impressed by the launch overall, and impressed by what the team has built. really hoping for the best. thats why they gotta fix "loopholes/exploits/imbalances" that ruin morale for the airdrop.

[potent snow]

The proposal has already been approved by icc and moving to IMC now

[acoustic locust]

Awesome, cheers Caveman

[potent snow]

#1268063381546467421 message

[glossy path]

I think his suggestion is perfect: #1268063381546467421 message

[dim lava]

Does this proposal include arena daily/weekly missions? Are these pointless doing currently?

[outer frost]

**two days ago, i played +6-7 hours and i won wave 40. yes. they will delete my milestone mission. check "played time" and delete or not delete

one player/best player shared a video but i didn't success, try-try-try-try-try and win. my friend sent a screenshot before 1hour 12:00 utc, i saw he have 1.1m points and he's 1700. in leaderboard. i was 130. with 1.3m, now 500 lol 😄

[outer frost]

so much players watched video and succeeded. but this suggestion is really perfect. maybe they should check our "how much" time played on arena*

also, there were players doing wave 40 in the early days.

[worn cairn]

hahaha

[shadow pond]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-free-money-free-money-gif-8958393

[worn cairn]

[pulsar edge]

I'm so glad that now we're laughing instead of throwing tomatoes at each other.

[mystic arch]

When do you decide if they restart?

[forest osprey]

Air drop points for survival mode waves MUST be removed.

[marsh hill]

nice, i hope mine 2k$ not waste 🥲

[silk hare]

I don't get it, why it's different from above?

So the final is it's decline?

[magic willow]

first vote was from sub council
The other vote was from Main council

[hushed lagoon]

Wow! I didn't expect that. 😅

[mystic arch]

So they are going to give the points to the cheaters? @exotic lynx

[exotic lynx]

Read the council reasoning #📯〕council-chambers

[silk hare]

Does that mean it's approved?

[magic willow]

No it was declined

[silk hare]

so it means that the 1m pts will not be removed, right?

[magic willow]

as per that iip, the 1M points still stand.

[marsh hill]

congrats cheater, u win

#RIP MONEY😂

[IMC] IIP-63 Dynamic Survival Mode

I decline this proposal.

There are 2 main reasons for my vote to decline.

1. Labs is already building dynamic survival mode, as part of a fix for the multi-accounting exploit. I think it's bad practice to frontrun a fix that is already in development with a proposal, or to require proposals to fix exploits. If anything, this portion of the proposal could be a GFP, and those proposals should be used for features NOT already being built by Labs. Using the GFP system would also result in this solution taking longer to implement, and this is time sensitive.

2. I believe a complete removal of the points for completing survival waves is heavy handed. Multi-account exploiters can be removed entirely, but I do think there will be more collateral damage from a complete removal than from an adjustment to the point values for survival wave completions.

My preference is a solution like ICCP-XX Airdrop Points Revision. This isn't a problem we can afford to ignore, but I am inclined to choose a more equitable solution, and leave fixes for exploits to Labs.

[marsh hill]

this mean 1m point stay right

[ICC] IIP-63 Dynamic Survival Mode

I approve this proposal.

Community sentiment:
For
98 upvotes.
Clearing Wave 40 should not give 1 million points as it can be copied.
Multi accounts may dilute the airdrop.
Disincentivize spending.

Against
42 downvotes.
Dynamic system might not be fair.
Completely removing points is unfair to genuine players.
Should reduce the points not remove.
Multiplier is more ideal.
Watching a video is not an exploit.

Personal notes:
This issue has been raised during the testnet.
I personally stopped spending too because of this.
I personally watched a video to clear Wave 40.
The Team need to decide if this is a mistake or an exploit in relation to IIP-58-R.
A mistake requires the points to be tallied and a sub-period to be created.
An exploit does not require a sub-period and allow the points to be annulled.

[marsh hill]

@willow musk he decline

[marsh hill]

@waxen moat he approve

@waxen moat so, this mean u lose right? and that 1M point still stay? because the team already decline

[marsh hill]

if yes,fck rip my money 😂

i already 2k$++. and only got 600.000 point, rip my money, wrong invest

[wanton coral]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462

[silk hare]

You can read here if you want @prisma bobcat

[marsh hill]

haih.i missed the airdrop of good games like metacen, moonfrost for illuvium, but illuvium is disappointing

RIP time,RIP money,

[silk hare]

What set you complete for 2k$?

[marsh hill]

very detrimental, even from spending 2k$ for 600,000 points, it is not certain to return the capital because many have 1,000,000 points from survival and doing multi acc. and that reduces the amount of airdrop prizes which are very large @willow musk I hope you find a way to make it fair for spender bro. we issue real money, not leaves🫂

worst airdrop i've ever played after spending money

[willow musk]

I can be in favour of changing the 1M points for survival wave 40, but also against the specific solution that was being voted on in IIP-63.

This isn't a binary issue. The problem needs to be fixed, there is a wide spectrum of solutions for fixing it. You've reposted my rationale, so presumably you've read it. I think legitimate players should be receiving some points for completion (not 1M), I think Labs is best equipped to determine what amount of points that is, and I think hearing from Labs that they are developing dynamic survival waves to fix an exploit, and then passing it via proposal is the entirely wrong approach to implement gameplay changes, ESPECIALLY when those features are in response to an exploit.

I do want it to be fair for spender bro, I want it to be fair for everyone.

[waxen moat]

kieran co contributed that proposal.
ICC accepted it then looks like the IMC declined it

[marsh hill]

@willow muskI think legitimate players should be receiving some points for completion (not 1M)*** this mean for player no use bug monarch right?? . but but i'm sure, all peaople use monarch bug

[errant stump]

Is there gonna be another iip or something to at least reduce the points ? 1 million points is ridiculous

[marsh hill]

@willow muskI agree that legitimate players get their rights even if it's not a million points, so what do you think will happen to people who use the monarch bug?

[crimson anchor]

I’m currently holding off on spending further this season due to the uncertainty of this… I wasn’t able to complete wave 40, and as such the money I’ve put into illuvium doesn’t really matter since I’m under a million points… do you know when there will be a resolution to this so I can figure out if the airdrop reward will be given out to pretty much only people who finished wave 40 or not?

[marsh hill]

@waxen moatfrom kieran.so thats true?

[willow musk]

I'm one member of the IMC, so I'm not gonna pretend like I speak for the group. But from all the talks we've had about this, no one wants to give the entirety of the airdrop out to abusers or exploiters.

There's a proposal that recently passed the 25 upvote threshold, and is able to go to a vote anytime the sponsor gives it the green light. #1268323065167872183

If passed, this will allow Labs to retroactively revise the points values for Survival Wave 20, 30 and 40 to something more appropriate for the difficulty and time spent to complete the task.

Using multiple accounts to complete F2P tasks repeatedly is an exploit, and Labs has authority to remove points from those accounts entirely. This isn't something we need to say Labs can do by proposal every time, it's already written into IIP-58-R.

I understand your concern, but I see no possibility of survival waves staying at 1M points. It's drastically too rewarding compared to other tasks.

[marsh hill]

Showing someone a video so they can mimic the exact steps to complete a milestone is considered an exploit. Again, it's not the video uploaders fault, or the guilds sharing it around, it is our fault (labs) for allowing this exploit to exist. But that doesn't change the fact that it is a way to exploit our airdrop system and it needs to be fixed and points invalidated. by kieran

We can't figure that out so unfortunately we need to invalidate all points for survival mode. It's not the best solution but it's the only way to keep it fair. I want to stress, this is no ones fault. You can't get angry at people for exploiting it. We need to be better in the future to ensure these avenues aren't available for people to game the system by kieran

[outer frost]

Multiple accounts are actually beneficial for a project. If 1,000 people invest $1,000 each, it's the same as 1,000 people creating 5 accounts each and investing $5,000 in total (don't be mad at me, i can give example: Pirate, why pirate? so much players bought founder pirate NFT and The price of a Founder Pirate NFT is currently 1.1 Ethereum and has been as high as 1.5 Ethereum. People are creating 5 accounts and buying 5 Founder Pirate NFTs, which equals 5.5 Ethereum. This money goes to the project, which makes it a logical decision. However, now they're trying to prevent multi-accounts because their system is insufficient, causing network congestion and making people wait 6-7 hours to play the game. There's no such issue with Illuvium. We don't experience network (about Ethereum) problems. I'm ready to spend $2-3k per account for my 3 accounts, but is the team ready to lose this money?). That's the logic. Those who can do it, will. I could do it too. Many projects secretly love multiple accounts because they provide more publicity (PR). For example, they can claim they have 15,000 players already. Or in simple telegram "tap to earn" projects, there are many multiple and bot accounts, but they advertise that 100 million+ users have joined their project. That's marketing.

My recommendation is to completely remove FREE POINTS. This is the real abuse. We are here for the mainnet. We tested the game and now we want to play and have fun for money. Clearing wave 40 and getting 1 million points is neither ethical nor correct. This season is over. IMC rejected it. I hope season 2 will be better. Instead of free points, there should be incentive moves. For example, competitive tasks for everyone with rewards like FREE ACCESS to STAGE 2 - STAGE 3 fuel are better than free points. Frankly, I've allocated my budget to this project but currently have no desire to play. I'm waiting for more updates. For instance, the team hasn't clarified vesting yet. For testnet seasons, vesting was 6 months but has now been reduced to 3 months. We don't know if this will apply to the mainnet or if there will be a different vesting situation. Anyway, I hope everything will be better in season 2.

My final decision: in the next season, removing tasks that give free points like T0 - Wave 30-40 or offering them with multipliers like 1.05 would be better. Thank you.

[crimson anchor]

Thanks for taking the time to share - after going through Axie as my first web3 experience, i'm a bit leery of situations where people looking to exploit/extract value can be incentivized

[outer frost]

F2P should be completely removed from the mainnet then. I have a budget, and if I want to play with 3 different accounts within a month, what's my fault? What can I do after progressing on one account? With the PvP mode not yet released, why should I only play in the arena, and after crafting all the suits and weapons, why should I wander around stage 3 pointlessly? I'm just asking. I don't trade on Illuvidex, and I don't intend to. The team should make a clear statement about multi-accounts. I have over 500 hours on my main account, and I would be very upset if my account got banned for no reason! I would also be upset if my other accounts got banned without an explanation after spending money on them. If multi-accounts are going to be banned, the team should announce this. If all my accounts get banned after spending a total of $10,000 on 3 accounts, it would be fraud. The real exploitation would be against the user, not the project!

Recently, a project called Pirate announced it would block multi-accounts, and people stopped logging into their other accounts. But those people had bought 1 Ethereum worth of NFTs for each account. Now, they don't log in and need to use a VPN to do so.

In conclusion, banning multi-accounts without informing users would be exploitation. I am not a free-to-play player, I don't use bots, I don't cheat, and I don't exploit the system. It would be bad to learn that my 3 accounts were banned after spending money on them.

Instead of adding pointless tasks like "clear Wave 40 and earn 1 million points," it would be much better to add tasks that encourage players and help new players get used to the game more easily. If you are going to send a message to the team, let it be this!! Tasks like "hunt xxx illuvial in the overworld and earn 10 crypton" would be simple yet effective. Offering free fuel through such simple or difficult tasks would encourage players to keep playing. Currently, just entering a map costs $10.5, down from $12.5 recently. If it goes up to $15 tomorrow, they won't find anyone willing to play the game. What do you want? Make a decision. Do you want an incentive program? Or do you want airdrop points erased so your earnings increase? lol.

[thorny mauve]

You assume the multi was investing, they wont, just creating multiple accounts for anchieve 40 wave in survival and catch 1 million points, multi is not the problem, the problem is this massive quantity of points for free

[outer frost]

brother, I'm not a free-to-play player. They can remove those points. T0-Wave 30-40 points can be adjusted, but I'm talking about multi-accounts. If they remove T0 and clear wave tasks, it automatically eliminates bots from the game. People who want to create and play on 2 accounts will spend twice as much money, which is good for the sustainability of the project, as it is for almost every project. Because there is no F2P.

I still haven't done the T0 tasks, and I don't plan to. They seem pointless to me. I want to collect Selenvium and Celestvium. I'm ready to spend money and, if necessary, lose money. The T0 tasks and clear wave tasks seem ridiculous to me. anyway, I hope someone will consider what I've written.

[thorny mauve]

But the discussion isnt about you, and multi accounts are legal, the devs say. The hole point is reduce or remove points for exploiting free milestones in multiple accounts

[outer frost]

They have the authority to remove the other accounts I've spent money on. It's disturbing to hear this. Without a definitive decision on this matter, how can I play on my second account? It's worrisome.

[thorny mauve]

In this point i agree, the sentimental is we play the game in shadows, the team doesnt clear many questions and any time can change anything, this is scary, a announcement about this is the key, with definity solution.

[outer frost]

I'm glad we can communicate without hurting each other. The team should clearly state their actions directly. If they announce that they will ban multi-accounts after I've spent a total of 5-10k$ on three accounts, I won't log into the other two accounts from the same IP and won't risk it. However, if they say we've banned all accounts that were accessed from the same IP in the past, THAT WOULD BE VERY BAD. This would be user abuse, and I'm against it!

[thorny mauve]

I expect they dont ban multi, but if they do, filter of those who put money and playtime in account and who doesnt is middle-term, this prevent to multi exploit and dont punish who actually have more than 1 account for playing

But again, i dont believe they will ban multi acc, strong praying for reduce or remove this points

[marsh hill]

i hope wave 40.30,20 reduce a lot, because only need 1 hour got high point.example team reduce wave 40 from 1.000.000 to 50.000 point. but survival wave 40 only need 1 hour, so 1 day with 10 hour can make 10 acc and got total 500.000 point , and keep doing the same thing, hopefully you will get a very good change and not harm the people who spend money on illuvium

[willow musk]

You speak a lot about bans here. "I have over 500 hours on my main account, and I would be very upset if my account got banned for no reason! "

I'm not talking about bans, nor do I ever mention banning anyone. I'm talking about removal of airdrop points from exploitative accounts. Just as an example, if an account has no spend history, no past play history, was created on the day a replicable Wave 40 was available, and never played again since, is that a legitimate account, or someone trying to abuse airdrop points?

Later, you're talking about Fuel prices, which are clearly high right now. They will come down as landowners continue to develop their plots. Yes, tasks could be better.

But this thread is about airdrop points, and that's what I'm talking about here. You're asking what I want - I want systems set up in a way where one bad actor can't create 10 or 50 or 100 accounts and dilute all the legitimate players out of their rewards. I want incentives implemented in a way where players think about gameplay, and gameplay optimizations, instead of thinking about how they can complain or cheat or exploit their way into more money.

[outer frost]

you're right. I've already written the responses I can give to your message. My other accounts have been around since Testnet Season 1 and were not newly created. However, newly created accounts are 100% likely to be bot accounts, which means they will exploit the system.

Our common topic: We want a PAY-TO-PLAY game, not a F2P one. T0 Weapons and suits should be removed from the tasks, and additionally, the tasks of reaching x wave and earning 100k or 1m points should be changed. These tasks were already prone to exploitation. We noticed this in Testnet Season 2. Anyway, I hope our shared views align and they find a solution. Thank you. 🫡

[outer frost]

// my native language isn't English, but even though I don't want to focus on grammar, task = mission, at least for me. Yes, I know it's "milestone missions," but that doesn't matter. // thank you for your understanding. I wish a fair season for all players. good luck and have fun

what you said actually makes a lot of sense. If accounts that haven't played during testnet seasons 1 and 2 cleared wave 40 and earned 1 million points, it would be reasonable to remove the points from those accounts. that makes sense. congrat :3

[willow musk]

I mean, I do want our game to have F2P accessibility, it's just that I don't believe that accessibility can or should look like us doling gobs of ILV out to F2P players. If there are any rewards for F2P players, they could be for skill-based accomplishments. F2P tournaments once a week or once every 3 days, where the top 3 or 5 players receive some ILV. Systems like that don't dilute anyone, and they provide opportunity for players to earn without access to capital, and the incentive created there is gameplay related. Instead of advocating for "more free money for me", players can talk about how to win tournaments.

[outer frost]

My recommendation would be to have incentive programs in place. For example, "Clear wave 40 and get a 10% bonus on all future crypton purchases from us." 🙂 It's up to the team to come up with these incentive programs, not us players. Honestly, if the team came to me and said, "Hey Emre, catch all Holo T5 S1 Illuvials and get a 10% bonus on all future crypton purchases," I'd definitely do it with pleasure. This would be a very good incentive program. Maybe for new players, it could even be 25%.

to trigger all players, "incentivize" is key. If you incentivize me, I might spend more time and money on this game. If you can't incentivize me, I won’t invest time and money into the game. If you incentivize bot accounts, you’ll end up losing players who genuinely want to play the game.

[stone dome]

can you please stop pretending you spend 2k for mere 600k points, you cant even get nitro just go back to your mum and stop crying

[outer frost]

I was very surprised by this too lol. according to my calculations, I can earn 2.5+ million points with $2k

[marsh hill]

🤡

[mystic arch]

Just understand that if you don't reset the poorly earned points, people will stop investing and this harms the game.

[frail hearth]

I entered with $100 and I already have almost 3 million points. And I have already recovered what I invested. If you sell some high-level creatures that you have, you can recover a large part even now that the market has cooled down.

[north timber]

for 100$ what tier of suits and weapons di u complete?

[frail hearth]

tier 1-2

[hushed lagoon]

3 millions points with or without survival?

[frail hearth]

with

[north timber]

thats nice

so people are just exagerating with the 2k usdt and only 1m points?

[frail hearth]

I used a bit of the market to take what I sold and make items, sell illuvials, etc...
Even so, it didn't give me more than $400 for 2 million points. Just making 3 million exp already gives me almost 1 million.
With less than $270 making TIER 1-3 items, you can have more than 600k points too.

[frail hearth]

Maybe he has enough illuvium in his wallet to recover some of it, or he may be hoping that the project will continue and they will become rarer. Always be positive.

[subtle mountain]

Don't set a precedent of retroactively applying rules to this game. Make the changes for Season 2, or you will destroy the trust in the game. There's a reason why laws don't act retroactively. I'm saying this based on the fact that multi-accounting is not forbidden, and moderators have confirmed this multiple times in the past when I asked them. Additionally, completing wave 40 is not against the rules. There is no rule stating that people have to complete it without help. Don't do this to the game. Don't set this precedent. Find another way to reward those who were harmed. Thank you! Maybe extra ILV for those who spent money on fuel based on how much they spent. something like another 10/30k ILV for those people(of course, just for season 1). It would be really, really good for the project if you guys find a solution that don't punish retroactively those who didn't break the rules.

[willow musk]

1. The DAO has always been able to make changes to systems. If that means not letting cheaters dilute legitimate players, that's a good thing. It's absolutely audacious to suggest that not allowing cheaters to extract all the value of the airdrop away from legitimate players is "unfair" or "destroying trust". The only trust that would remain is the trust of cheaters, in that they can extract as much as they want without fear of being punished. They can keep that trust, and put it in an appropriate place.

2. You should read the terms and conditions. I'm not sure who told you that multi-accounting to exploit economic systems is alright, but it's not. https://illuvium.io/terms-and-conditions
   Everyone who played multi-accounts in a single day (i.e. everyone who exploited Wave 40 survival rewards) breached the T&C. Moderators do our best to explain the rules, but sometimes it's possible to be wrong. It's always best to ask for a source and/or check for yourself.

[subtle mountain]

if this is on the rules, it changes everything. I'm saying assuming multiaccount is allowed because that is what was told to me by moderators. I was assuming that what was done was legal by the rules of the game. Reading that rule, I believe something like make accounts created on the 40 wave day not allowed to receive the airdrop should be the right move. but changing the points for season 1 I still think is a very problematic move

[subtle mountain]

By the way, I believe a lot of people believes that multiaccount is allowed. Maybe a message telling people about that rule would be really apreciated by the community on a pinned messages on general chat. Maybe even a announcement. Just an idea

[marsh hill]

what mission u clear bro,please teach me

[marsh hill]

multi acc allowed = game dead sir, no one want pay the fuel 🫂

[outer frost]

if they remove T0 sets and wave 40, there is no problem

[frail hearth]

Nonsense man, armor only gives 97,500 points. And weapons take an extremely long time to gather resources. Free players are also the basis of any game. I've been playing WEB3 games for 3 years and I can clearly say that any game that despises its free players will quickly become empty.

I'm currently in the top 20. Before anyone comes to say anything.

wave 40, I agree that really is too much, it should be a multiplier. 1 million points for something so simple is harmful.

[outer frost]

an example: 10 cheaters playing this game.
they^r created 100 accounts
total acc = 1k
they used bot&scripts and they completed t0 weapons/suits = 200k approximately
1000(acc) x 200k (t0 sets) = 200m points.

[frail hearth]

the same goes for T1 and T2 which are extremely cheap. or even the EXP mission.
hackers are hackers and will find a way to screw up the game anyway, more should be invested in security.

I really like Illuvium and think of it as a cool game, but I came here from many games that tried to harm free players, and soon after that the number of players decreased, and even the players with money wanted to leave too.

[outer frost]

T1-2 = 150$
1000 accounts = 150k$ idk
chinese cheaters can do it axaxax

[frail hearth]

3250 solon is less than 20$ you can make all TIER 2 STAGE 1-2-3 suits = 156K points

[outer frost]

t1-2 suits and weapons need 9900 solon. 9900 solon was 80$, now idk

[frail hearth]

80$ for 468k points is a good deal

[outer frost]

only 80$ solon, you must entry so much times to map xd

t1-2 sets need +900 lithvium again chrovium, or pallavium etc

[frail hearth]

more cheap buy the ingotbut I ended up doing it normally, I sold illuviaus and essence and made the items and still made a profit. Tier 0 armor and weapons don't screw up the game. because if you buy it, it's also possible to get EXP at TIER 0. and even if it's little in your purpose of bot farming infinitely, it's possible to get 1 million points with it.

[outer frost]

To earn 100,000 XP in T0 for free, you might need to fight 1,000 times. If you fight 6 times on each map, that means entering the map 166 times. If each match takes 1.5 minutes, that makes 9 minutes per map, and with Illuvial hunting and returning to base taking about 10 minutes. You need to do this 166 times:
166*10 = 1660
1660 minutes = 28 hours
28 hours just for 10k points

[marsh hill]

yeah,but team need free player for play,if no have f2p airdrop game dead,only whale play,and 1m point is not good for whale to be honest

[frail hearth]

A single STAGE 3 can win most battles in STAGE 0 alone. If the human helps then he wins them all. It is not necessary to use all of them in the battle at the same time, just 1. With 8 you clear the entire map.

[marsh hill]

bro ur point,peaople have multi acc wave 40 , maybe total 1 peaople 6,7million point,hope dev can fixed this wave 20,30,40 problem

[frail hearth]

I agree that there should be 1 million wave 40 points. I just say that it is exaggerated to remove even weapons, armor, illuviuns, etc. It will basically remove free to play from the game.

This causes many more problems, I myself only tested the game because it was free, I don't go to any one with $100 just to test it. There are thousands of web3 games.

[marsh hill]

yes,peaople need free to play player for play the game, but yeah i aggre 1million point is make whale dead

[frail hearth]

I discovered the game, I saw the arena mode, pvp, survival, gauntlet, zero, overworld and I saw that the game is very complete.

[frail hearth]

i spent too much time to 1 milion point, and guys get in 40 minutes watching a live stream or youtube video...

[marsh hill]

aggre😂

[marsh hill]

10 acc only 400 minute and 10 million point ahha

[frail hearth]

[ionic flare]

they said the will removing abusing multiaccounters

[marsh hill]

@willow muskwhen this iccp voting sir?

[thorny mauve]

they said a lot of things and i dont view this things done, so far, just texting and nothing official.

[marsh hill]

100 haha

[willow musk]

It's currently being voted on by ICC, after that concludes it will be voted on by the IMC.

I believe we ran into the limit Snapshot sets for active proposals at one time, which slowed things down a little bit. But it's moving through now.

[marsh hill]

yeah I'm waiting for it, I can't stand it anymore, I want to enter stage 3 but I'm waiting for good news about this problem

[pulsar edge]

Are you the famous guy that spend 2k on illuvium?

[marsh hill]

[outer frost]

ahadhahhahaha

[dapper dagger]

Is there a graph people are using to establish bonus fuel estimates? like i'd honestly be curious to do some TA on that. what decides the bonus fuel estimates?

[waxen moat]

illuvihub or data

[dapper dagger]

?

[dapper dagger]

Nah I’m trying to TA for pattern recognition purposes