Add Cooldown to Overworld Runs - Anti Cheat

[dreamy notch]

Suggestion:

• Add a 3-10 minute cooldown from the START of the run, to being able to travel again (maybe separate CD for each stage)
• Key point is from the start of the run so most wont even see the CD

Reason:

• Auto scanning AND teleporting is way less of an advantage, so these particular cheats are much less useful. Maybe to the degree they are a non issue
• Normal players won't notice it at all since runs take this long anyway (especially once they are paid runs)
• No need to introduce auto scan feature (unless there are reasons other than because of cheaters)
• Even if they create multiple accounts while other account on CD - they will have to have multiple sets of assets and it still reduces their efficiency, eg logging in and out

[dapper marten]

From the time the first travel started or from time the first travel ended? If it's the latter I disagree. Imagine having to wait 5 to 10 min in-between each run. It ruins the momentum and general experience of the user.

If the suggestion is the former, I can see merit in this where it becomes the min threshold of playtime in an instance. This won't combat bots or scripts but it will level the playing field so to speak that cheaters are spending roughly the same time in an instance as a regular player does.

[fleet pewter]

I would welcome such change. This tied to some form of account progression minimises cheaters advantage.

[vernal wing]

I think we all need to stop trying to change the game because of ‘cheaters’..

[dreamy notch]

Was thinking from the start. Ideally little to no effect for normal players since their runs would be 5-30 mins anyway (CD would be up well before they finish).

[dreamy notch]

Agreed

[dreamy notch]

Yea this is the only reason I suggested this, because the other changes are too big and too direct. This changes nothing about the game and normal player shouldn’t even know it exists in most cases

[gleaming timber]

I think once you pay real money, the strategy to teleport out with 4000 energy left won´t be used by anyone who intends to roi positive, which would be the "bots" like people call them or scholars or play 2 earn players.
It would at most be used by Whales to play a sort of slot machine, which they could even if you implement this timer simply by using multiple accounts.
Same for the above groups, they can use multiple accounts to bypass this.

[valid jungle]

@dreamy notch We spoke about this earlier and I thought on it more. I still think it is a still a good Idea.

I think it would need to be attached to the amount of ergon energy used. What happens if someone goes into a stage 0 region on accident backs out and then is stuck for a few mins? That could suck, not being able to go back in.

If the timer were to scale based on ergon energy, someone teleporting around finishing in 30 seconds would accumulate "time dept" that a normal player would usually burn through on a normal run. Then they would have to sit around based on how much they spent. Determining the Max speed of a "normal" Player will be hard. But I'm sure the devs can use some metrics that we don't have access to to determine what the timer should be sent

To @gleaming timber 's point the Scholars/P2E players would be de-centivised to do this because they would miss out on airdrop points for milestones if they made multi accounts. If a whale wants to just go through and roll a roulette it would be ok, because they didn't spend any ergon energy.

[gleaming timber]

The only downside of multiple accounts re airdrop points would be the multiplier missions. Outside of that using multiple accounts could even be positive for airdrop points.

Further if players act faster than humanly possible their accounts are getting banned as far as I am aware.
So you don’t change anything compared to the current state when wanting to maintain humanly possible timeframes.

[lone salmon]

I like that the idea wouldnt affect normal players but i doubt it would be efficient. Not only we have the multi accounts like Viper said but our CD time would be quite low because we can do mining runs in a couple mins. Someone scanning can choose to do only 1 illuvial fight and that would be more than the CD

I think the fact alone that runs will cost something will help greatly mitigate the efficiency of the scanning hack

[dreamy notch]

yea agree with this, my concern is we wont be able to give that logic to people and it will still have a negative effect on peoples opinion of the game

[dreamy notch]

hmm in that case 4mins left on the cd isnt too big a bunishment for accidently going to stage 0. Stage 0 could even have no CD and puts no CD on other regions

[dreamy notch]

true guess it would only hinder someone at the stage of scanning for jackpots over and over. Still think its basically no downside, easy to implement and provides some deterrence. I didnt know till recently they are able to detect teleporters thats awesome.

[gleaming timber]

I think that is a fair point often you fight sentiment more than actually fighting anything else.
I think many features are cutting it close for launch and I am not sure if it would be worth to cater to this, it can certainly be an option if possible as long as we can figure out a way to not harm normal players. Like mentioned above people mining/plant farming can do so in 2-3min even if they don’t worry much about specific plants/ore e.g.

So you’d need a timer that works something like if player spends X energy or if Y time has passed. (Again obv can be „played“ around via multiacc, but if no harm to players is done and no other this are delayed due to it I wouldn’t be opposed).

It does seem very close to launch to make it in imo, unless it was already planned.

[obtuse summit]

as a farmer i dnt want a cd.
it is the team's job to fix the exploit and ban cheaters (we are yet to see the prove of ban wave)

not to punish speed runners and single account owner

we are already slowed down by the decoding screen and reallocation of the rift

forge processing time and relaunching the client after we made a purchase on illuvidex

[obtuse summit]

🔥

[harsh mason]

Not sure if anyone suggested already, but I think it's better to introduce account levels. Certain features can be progressively unlocked, such as different stages of ow runs, crafting etc. That way if an account is banned, they have to start over and can't get straight to cheating.

[dapper marten]

It was raised but the problem here is it doesn't really do anything but move the goal post. It doesn't really solve the issue of cheaters. I'd even say it hampers regular players.

[obtuse summit]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1261879593522954342

[harsh mason]

I wouldn't say its gonna hamper new players, if anything it will simplify and streamline the game structure for them rather than be overwhelmed and wonder what to do in the beginning.

For cheaters, if it's gonna take them 50hrs for example before they can fully cheat again that is going to be some sort of deterrent. The way I understand it, right now nothing is stopping them.

[dapper marten]

If the sole introduction of progression levels to unlock features is to discourage cheating then it's hampering regular players who should've had accessed it from the very beginning.

On the flip side if the effort is worth it, cheaters will power through whatever 'delays' is introduced. At the end of it it's regular players who get burdened more.

[dreamy notch]

you should want this as a farmer. If your fastest farming time is say 3:30 and the CD is 4 mins from when you enter than you can just make your run slightly more selective and take 30 more secs. People with aim bots or other assisted software now have no advantage over you.

[obtuse summit]

oh from start of the travel?

im good with that

[vernal wing]

Isn't there another way of dealing with bots then adding this feature in?

[dreamy notch]

yea probs too close to launch and im ure teams already thought about it. Idea would be like a 2-4min timer from when entering so it really only effects people farming faster than normal and doing free autoscan spams

[dreamy notch]

yea most playing would never even see the CD or know it exists unless they accidently enter a run and leave straight away

[harsh mason]

I already mentioned it can also be good for new/normal players depending on the exact parameters built into it.

So it's 2 birds with one stone

[dreamy notch]

This is a suggestion instead of the auto scan (my understanding was autoscan feature was to even playing field with cheats, implying it cant be stopped proactively). Apparently teleports can be banned easily. This feature wouldnt be noticed by anyone unless you leave the run within say 3-4mins you might hit a 30-60 sec cooldown. People cheating doing 1 min farm runs or free auto scan spam would hit the CD more often and cheats not as effective

[vernal wing]

If a bot is going into a run for per say 1-2 min what can they capture in that time frame?

Either I'm not well adverse on what bots can do or...

[dreamy notch]

Not saying this is needed, im sure team has it under control, just a suggestion that seems easy to implement and dosnt change the game at all

[harsh mason]

I think the autoscan is mainly for whales who are lazy to search themselves rather than an anti cheat mechanic strictly

[dreamy notch]

well its more farming runs and auto scan > leaving > enter again and autoscan until they find the rare illuvial

[vernal wing]

ahhh so its them going in and out and wanting the rare illuvials so they can sell on marketplace

[dreamy notch]

hope that is the case, i worry the sentiment is it is because cheaters using autoscan cant be stopped

[harsh mason]

Well it's probably both in a way, but I don't see how it's gonna deter cheaters if they can do it for free and their assets can't be touched

[dreamy notch]

yea, epscially the first few days

[vernal wing]

Surley if someone is going in and our of travel the team can see on the backend that its not normal and the accoutn should be banned.

BUT also they will be spending so its a win win from a DAO perspective because they will be paying for their runs. Just not the player

[dreamy notch]

i guess they dont care if they are banned since they still own the asset. True, paywall really solves a lot of this on its own which is nice haha

[vernal wing]

If the accoutn is banned surley the assets on that accoutn should be banned at the same time and can be re added into the bonding curve (this should be automated) surleyyyyy

I will ask on the AMA this Thursday as I have ALOT of questions! 🙂

[dreamy notch]

pretty sure the NFTs cant be banned in anyway, im sure they will list them straight away too

[obtuse summit]

they can extract without playing the game

[dreamy notch]

perfect! dont want to bring too much public attension to cheaters since it may not be as big an issue as it seems and can ruin sentiment

[vernal wing]

You could ban them by once the accoutn is banned you could burn all assets (set this up on back end with a burning wallet)

[dreamy notch]

i feel like team already said thats not going to happen or not possible

[vernal wing]

Jaggggg what in the world is this haha and what do you mean extract without playing? As in the load into a run and it automatically extracts then the can leave?

[vernal wing]

well i best ask this on the AMA as its SUPER important 🙂

[dreamy notch]

yea 100%, its an interesting topic since the whole idea of blockchain is ownership

[vernal wing]

yeah will do a deep dive and get answers 🙂

[obtuse summit]

its a script that is being sold in chinese wechat group
yea u can automated it
just need fuel
maybe can run multiple accounts

[vernal wing]

So how long would a run take if someone used that script? and what would they extract

[obtuse summit]

if the cheater is dumb then it takes 2 mins per run
but if they are smarter then they'll do it longer like a normal person would

maybe much less than 2 mins if only mining, but thats obvious for a ban

we can see the timestamp on how they use energy at the bottom panel

[dreamy notch]

on mainnet they may not care if they get banned if they get the first NFT of each illuvial. The CD does stop this to a large degree

[obtuse summit]

NFTs and master shards

[dreamy notch]

true

[obtuse summit]

they just need to farm, get banned, transfer to multiple accounts, forge, get banned, flood the market

[dreamy notch]

so a CD that makes you 0-5% less efficient (eg no effect on normal play) but makes cheaters 50-90% less efficient than they would be without it

[vernal wing]

Okay, @dreamy notch after thinking about this and understanding this more it can make sense with a Cool Down timer once you go into the run/region and have a CD time of 3-5 min IMO

Because if someone is leaving a run within 3-5 min there really isn't a huge benefit to the player to do so unless they forgot their shards or illuvials.

The upside is that bots cant go in and out of a run and just capture a high level tier illuvial, even though the DAO would benefit, it's not in the players/users best interest. 👏

[dreamy notch]

yea exactly. and id argue people will spend more if they think they wont just get beaten by scripters

[dapper marten]

Id suggest that it be clear what youre trying to achieve with the cooldown. As I mentioned awhile ago, all these dont eliminate cheaters nor even lessen them. This just moves their goal post.

[dreamy notch]

it for sure reduces their effectiveness (cant auto scan for free leave and go again, cant 1 min teleport mining runs, cant auto catch thing with script jag mentioned and come back in within 3 mins and do it again). Yes they can still use all those but reduces their effectiveness by a little to a lot depending on the cheat and use case. Easy to implement and dont even need to tell anyone since no reason to do a run quicker than 3 mins unless you leave on accident

[harsh mason]

Okay but how does it have any effect on the economy at all? The same cooldown affects normal players too. In the end the cheater still has the same advantage

[dreamy notch]

how does it affect normal players?. yes they have an advantage but not as much. Why not implement something that is easy and has zero affect on normal players, they wont even know it exists

[harsh mason]

I thought you meant the cooldown starts once the run is completed, my bad. It's not a bad idea but still not gonna achieve much as a deterrence. Just slow them down by 4-5% or even help them not get caught and banned.

[dreamy notch]

in some cases it could be up to 90% slowing them down, other yea not much. Dont think they care about getting banned come mainnet

[harsh mason]

That's the main issue, if the team in cooperation with imx can't freeze the acc/wallet/assets then it will be a tough battle. May not be that much for web3 and people wanting to profit, but for web2 and normal players looking to play it's gonna suck.

[dreamy notch]

i think it more effects the race to rare stuff and people looking to be miners/harvesters. Normal players it kind of just means the secondary market may have cheaper resources haha

[harsh mason]

Yeah I was thinking the same but that's provided the cheats will stay in ow only. How long till there are cheats revealing the enemy deck, what they played in preparation phase, a positioning script etc. After that what's the point of playing

[dreamy notch]

hmm is that thing in tft? never heard of that

[harsh mason]

Dunno, but seeing how they can farm ow without even opening the game I don't see why they couldnt

[quasi wharf]

don't think so, never heared of that either.
Not a coder, but i can imagine so much rng as tft has it is hard to buy/position script or whatever.

[dreamy notch]

yea i doubt it too

[gleaming timber]

Banning assets would be on IMX not Ilv as Ilv doesn’t own the chain.

People pointing to bots or scripts for players that make them play faster than a human, you can detect that, don’t even need backend data, can check blockchain data for that.

Having to spend money on runs period in the future is also a barrier for people to engage in any of this, as there is a chance they don’t $ positive of it.

[vernal wing]

are you saying this because they could just create multiple accounts or?

[vernal wing]

Well we best hit them up and get a team to do this. If Illuvium is succesful IMX would be too. It would be in there best intrest to help in this area. They do have a massive war chest of many $$

[vernal wing]

dammit!

There has to be a solution to all of this. I won't take no for an answer

[obtuse summit]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[obtuse summit]

suggested 2

• kyc
• captcha

[vernal wing]

KYC nope lol
Captcha as in a pop up were u have to move the puzzle piece or pick buses? haha

[obtuse summit]

or retina scan

the captcha can be fun like guess the lyric

or name that tune

[valid jungle]

Scrubba I think he was very clear with his goal of this post. And I think it is clear that it would help reduce the effectiveness of some cheats and hacks.

The question is, "Will the time it takes to implement this idea hurt "enemy" devopers more that us?"

I believe it will.

This will make the cost to buy the cheating software increase therefore reducing cheats overall and/or raises the value of the NFTS with no negative impact to player base

[dapper marten]

That and other stuff. Theyll just overcome and adapt

https://tenor.com/view/improvise-adapt-overcome-bear-grylls-gif-10468556

[harsh mason]

What if the assets are first generated as in-game items, later minted and linked into an nft, so that nft is forever linked with an in-game asset? If that's possible it will solve alot of problems. For multiple items like ores, there can be a threshold to mint like 20/50

We can then ban the in-game asset and the nft becomes just a picture. But we can't modify the nft to reflect that I think. No idea.

Edit2: maybe the banned in-game item can get an additional stat that displays the nft has been banned? Needs to be quite conspicuous. If possible such items/nfts can be even filtered out of illuvidex.

[viral ibex]

Seeing everyone talking about cheating, I thought I had to bring bad news again.😂

[lavish mulch]

We will have to see the impact of bots and cheats in the opening stages of our launch.
But we also need to have a solution ready in case it brings problems to our economy, time gating the runs is something ive been suggesting in other cheating treads in here.
A few things we need to establish before implementing such hard caps tho.
Imo, the way OW is going to be played will change a lot once we are on main net and runs are paid for.
This not takes away, that we also have to be realistic about the cheaters, there has been no need for them to show us the full force of what they are capable off.
Once the infinite money tap is basically opened for them, then we can see what they are able to do.
The problem begins when bots can do 2-5 runs in the time a average player can do 1 run, the market will be flooded and supply will flush out demand.
Also the cheaters will be capable of fine tuning runs to fill gaps in the market close to instant.
leaving no space for any normal player to make a good return on his investments.

[lavish mulch]

well there u go, anyone who thinks this wont rek our economy is delusional.

[viral ibex]

Watch this video. The cheater is not only collecting rare materials, but also destroying the entire OW mechanism, teleportation, super speed, super shooting.

[vernal wing]

Wat in the actual fuck

[dapper marten]

If the thesis is that having a CD will reduce effectiveness of cheats, i honestly have to disagree. It doesnt. It just puts a minimum time of playing so if its 5 mins CD then all the runs of cheaters will be 5 mins every single time. It wont reduce cheaters or make them less effective. At best instead of doing it in 3 or 4 mins you just added 1 min to their average runs. Like I said, it just moves the goal post. As long as its profitable, cheaters will adapt and overcome.

I dont have the solution. I wish I did. Im sure theres a better solution out there and it should be an auto-detection software that bans these cheaters in the first place rather than putting more obstacles that ultimately affect regular players.

[lavish mulch]

we can talk about this all we want, the only answer is time gate the runs, to minimize cheats advantages.
yes multi accounts, but we cant stop it, we can only make it more inconvenient for them.
There is a reason even WOW has time gated instance lockouts.

[lavish mulch]

it minimizes the impact of materials farmed, and protects our economy.
we have to adjust to the average player, not the top 1%
its great that 0.5% can do a farm run in 2 minutes, this does not mean they should be held as the standard.
The lockout will have to be 10+ minutes if u ask me.

[viral ibex]

Like "Easy Anti-Cheat"

[lavish mulch]

It will tho, if a cheater or a bot can do 5 runs, in the time a average player does 1 run.
the materials farmed that will flood the market is 5 to 1 compared to demand.

[valid jungle]

That 1 min(which I believe would actually be 2-4mins based on cheats I have heard of. Just instant collects the whole map) reduces effectiveness. A 1 min stop gap is still reducing their profit. Now I'm sure the team has other ideas and thats why it is a question of where the time is spent and only labs will have that answer

[viral ibex]

Can we show the videos above to the team?

[lavish mulch]

8-10 minutes cooldown starts as soon as u enter a run.
yes this will impact the top 1% of players.
but the other 99% of people wont be affected.
meanwhile the cheaters get put on a even playing field compared to the average player.

Im telling u, if we fail to find a solution, our economy is gone within weeks.
And then GL trying to fix it on the fly.
its better to be more on top of it in the beginning, so u remain in control.
letting this slip for a even a few weeks will have a impact that will leave a mark forever.

[viral ibex]

@whole palm Can you watch these two videos?

[lavish mulch]

GL fixing your reputation after that, our in game economy is our biggest selling point.
are we really going to risk that for the sake of the 0.5% of players who potentially hit the cap, and we might lose out on 0.5% of fuel buys?

[dreamy notch]

yea even a 4 minute CD from start of entering is something to mitigate it. Really does seem like such a good simple solution to mitigate it

[lavish mulch]

Yep we can, and should tune this number straight up to the average run duration.

[dreamy notch]

do they still have to do the arena battle or are they skiping that too?

[lavish mulch]

I don’t know

[dreamy notch]

btw team has been aware of these cheats for a while now so not like they haven't been working on it. Likely already thought of this posts idea

[dapper marten]

You all are forgetting that some optimized legitimate players can do runs less than 10 or even 5 mins. You're now penalizing these people with no guarantee of lessening cheaters.

I'd rather direct the efforts and resources to developing an anti cheat software than a band aid solution that has little impact to cheaters but larger impact to regular players.

[dreamy notch]

you realise these are the main players this helps? And you can have the CD for 4 mins or even 3 mins if the goal is to have zero normal players affected

[lavish mulch]

Yes but we cannot tune the game for the top 1% of players.
We need to protect the average players and especially if we want to onboard loads of new blood.

[dreamy notch]

agree resources more towards anit cheat but just suggesting this feature is low effort (i imagine, im no coder)

[lavish mulch]

u cannot eliminate the cheating and bots, ever.
The biggest games out there run into these problems, if even WOW has to fall back on these time limited hard caps.
what makes u think we are capable?

U can only minimize impact on economy

[dapper marten]

This is what I was alluding at. Will this band aid solution take lots of effort and man hours to implement or will it be best to put it into a more permanent solution.

[lavish mulch]

there is no way around this, its easier to create a cooldown on the runs, then to have multiple devs dedicated to hunting cheaters.

[dreamy notch]

yea guess only team knows that, more asking to consider it but make a decision based off their more complete knowledge of the situation. They probs already thought of this

[lavish mulch]

And from my understanding, the OW is ran localy, meaning all files are on the clients pc.
this is something u will have to fix, for any anti cheat to be effective.

[dapper marten]

My unpopular opinion is that these people have to pay for the runs. The experience is similar to pack opening. The economic implication that people are worried about is the fact that they will most likely get to the in demand illuvials before most people. But that doesn't disregard the fact that they paid for the run.

If people are worried about the more chances over time cheaters can get a t5 illuvial then maybe just having a max cap for runs is more to everyone's liking. But of course I say this in jest cause this is not good for revenue as we will be shooting ourselves in our foot.

To reiterate my position here, I want a solution absolutely. I'm just not convinced that this is the best one to throw our resources at.

[whole palm]

Why wouldn't I create 1000 accounts, then the timer has no affect

[lavish mulch]

I think this will require some data once we go on main net.
we will have to see the shift in behavior with paid for fuel, we have to establish and balance the impact of suggested interventions.
If the materials are vastly higher in supply then they are in demand, we might risk the possibility that people will stop running OW completely and just buy the materials.
this will for sure impact us harder in lost fuel sales.

[gleaming timber]

I said this like 5 messages into the thread 😅
The main point vs it is they lose airdrop points/milestone bonus.

[lavish mulch]

is there any other solution u have in mind?

Well, as sed before, we can never stop cheating. it will just make people think twice about starting this.
we wont ever be able to stop the professionals, but we for sure can make it as hard as possible for any normal player to start cheating.
why would u not invest 100 dollars to buy some software, and get the edge over 99% of players.

[whole palm]

Yes, we have solutions in mind. We don't want to share those solutions because it helps the cheaters. But suggesting a feature that hurts revenue and is easily circumvented isn't going to help

[lavish mulch]

well, i think we have to establish that from data on main net imo.
if we lose 1% of fuel sales because the top 1% of players is hitting a time cap, we can weigh if its worth it for the sake of protecting our in game economy.

[gleaming timber]

I don´t think many people are willing to invest money into no return.
If there is a return no matter how much you do vs "bots" low income scholars will take that return and reduce it to low levels anyways.
People pay for "cheats" and accounts in PvP games, not to simply play a gamefied pack opening with less time spend than others as far as I am aware in gaming.

[whole palm]

This does nothing to protect the economy is my point

[lavish mulch]

huh, so u dont agree a cheating player that can 5 runs in the time the average player does 1, is a problem? and will end up in vastly more supply then demand for materials/illuvials?

Im not really after a discussion tho, im sure u guys are thinking about a solution, im not questioning that.

[gleaming timber]

It isn´t even 5x faster runs, you can´t cheat loading screens, or fights and people still have to fly around almost the entire map, you save prob 20-40% of time if even.

[whole palm]

I do agree that is a problem. Your solution doesn't solve it though

[lavish mulch]

multi accounts yes, but thats about it right? maybe we should try and solve that.
KYC ever been considered?

[lavish mulch]

Just very worried, in my eyes the most valuable thing we offer is the in game economy.
it will be our biggest motivator, i just feel like we need to protect it at close to all costs.

[whole palm]

I agree 🙂

[obtuse summit]

oh god

[dreamy notch]

another layer of deterance. Still a minute loging in and out. Pushing the farming runs closer to normal mining runs and means they need multiple sets of assest potentially

[lavish mulch]

I do agree, although i still think there is a difference in selling your service and using cheats.
As long as it’s a player controlled action I’m fine with it, skill gap should be there.

[obtuse summit]

the auto scan need to be free lol

[lavish mulch]

Well I guess the other option would be, tune the rare materials to a average where bots and cheats have 0 to no impact

[dreamy notch]

glad you guys have something sorted. This idea affect no one except the 1 minute run cheaters. No one is doing less than 3 minute runs unless they make a mistake and leave for no reason

not saying its needed though. I can see how its not worth it

[obtuse summit]

lol so the cheaters already translated the game to mandarin

[dreamy notch]

im very against this haha

[rapid raven]

cooldown for overworld runs is a really really really bad idea :/ now we have like 0.01% chance for finding a stage 3 using auto scan but with cooldowns it will be like 0% :/ ( cuz then we have to wait like 5 min for each run which is deadly annoying.

[lavish mulch]

this is not true, u wont just go in and out of runs once u have to pay for the fuel, testnet is not a good example.

[rapid raven]

dude but cooldown wont be an anti-cheat anyway lol

[lavish mulch]

I am not saying it is anti cheat, i say it might minimize the impact on the economy

[rapid raven]

how ?

[lavish mulch]

read up, made my point multiple times.

[rapid raven]

there might be some pros (like me ) who are doing those runs faster than average you think which might be like 30 min ? but i do like 3-4 min for each run and still i need more resources cuz I'm in 1100 th place :/

[lavish mulch]

yep, so u wont be impacted by a 3-4 min cooldown.
i am talking about when we are on main net, test net has 0 value in data to figure out what to do on main net.

[rapid raven]

Sry what does " test net has 0 value in data to figure out what to do on main net. " mean ? . i know the meaning but that's a different thing to talk about , what's relatable between that and the cooldown :/

[lavish mulch]

just read the entire conversation, u will be able to figure out what was talked about.

[rapid raven]

I aint readin All dat lol

[obtuse summit]

my mining run is 6mins
am i semi-pro

[rapid raven]

Nice . if do normal run then i will 6 min but ultra fast is 3:40 sec

[dreamy notch]

read up. the suggestion is as low as 3 minutes so you admit it has no affect on you other than meaning you can actually compete with cheaters for speed more than you otherwise would with no CD for them

[rapid raven]

👍

[obtuse summit]

how do u do ultra fast, just shoot every ore nodes?

[rapid raven]

yes

[unique crater]

Haha, someone making tier 0 weapons? 🙂

[acoustic yoke]

3-4 minutes cooldown sounds like an amazing idea, it also has the benefit of making runs feel more special

[lavish fractal]

I actually agree with this. Raising the price of a run and making scanning free eliminates much of the advantage of cheaters. They would have to pay more for a run too and they would not have that much of a time advantage. We could also do more or less the same revenue this way than what we would have charging less for a run and charging extra for scanning.

[viral ibex]

Adding cooldowns is not going to be effective in controlling cheaters...if a cheater opens multiple games and plays the second one while waiting for the first, and so on, then he doesn't have to wait in line.

They destroy the balance of the entire game. Ordinary users need to forge advanced weapons to chase illuvials in the map. They only need to teleport to illuvials and fire a few shots. They no longer need to invest time/money in equipment.

[marsh fulcrum]

I would like to see the purify button be a check for hacking activity.

I.e. you go on a run, go back to the obelisk, return to Sanctum mesa and when you get there it gives you the overview.

When you press purify, it will check your run; speed, amount of things done, how you traveled. And if everything looks AOK, it thén allows you to mint everything you shouldve obtained legitimately. Idk if that is feasible tho. But if the hacks are easily recognised by the system, then just retroactively punish them by not minting assets that they obtained through hacking.

No need to do timers or anything. Just dont allow hackers to mint stuff.

[obtuse summit]

we can also apply the capcha there

[vernal wing]

Thats not bad garf 👏

[frank obsidian]

A silly suggestion. I break 43 stones and return to base in two minutes and twenty seconds. How does this harm anyone? Besides, it benefits the team as well. Would you prefer to earn $1 in 10 minutes or $5 in 10 minutes on the mainnet? This is a silly suggestion. Instead of suggesting this, you could have said 'implement anti-cheat measures' which would have been more helpful. If I can navigate the map in two minutes, that's not my problem or fault; I've memorized all the stones. You can do it too.

[dreamy notch]

You dont harm anyone you are correct, what does though is someone doing it in 30-60 secs due to cheat. The suggestion is do the CD as low as the fastest farmer so it wouldnt affect you at all (maybe 10-30 secs waiting at most before you jump in again). For the cheater that have to wait 1-2 mins before going in again since the CD starts from when you enter. You are one of the people this benefits most since you are the one competing with cheaters. You are literally the subgroup of gamers this will help the most

And obviously any suggestions are assumed the team is already working on back end anti cheat software, no point suggesting that.

[frank obsidian]

don’t get me wrong, but 1-2 minutes don't matter, while 5-10 minutes is too long, unfortunately. I don't know, this feedback seems strange to me. still, good luck

[dreamy notch]

how does 1-2 mins not matter but you doing a run 30 secs faster than the next person does matter? This is easy to implement, doesnt affect normal players so its kind of like why not, unless its actually not that simple to do.

[frank obsidian]

we need "anti-cheat".

[dreamy notch]

something wow, apex legends ect cant do and usually implement something like this suggestion as layers of mitigation and deterrence. doesnt matter anyway its too late to add this and yea may not be worth it anyway

[lavish mulch]

as long as the team has a effective counter to the cheats we have seen in the video's we should be good.
as long as we stay in full control over our in game economy.
i just hope its not taken lightly, these cheaters have the power to absolutely crash us, they have had no reason to go full crazy yet.
once the open market and infinite money tap is opened, we will see there full capability, just hope the team is ready.

and is willing to intervene in harsh ways if that is what it takes to stay in control.

[dreamy notch]

from what i hear they are very on to it

[obtuse summit]

this has been implemented @dreamy notch

[dreamy notch]

oh wow nice, any idea how long? i havent hit it yet

[obtuse summit]

a minute i think

[marsh fulcrum]

I did have the issue going into a stage 1 without my team of 7 earth dokas that i bought off the marketplace. Insta left -> proceeded to have to wait a minute lol