Petition for Airdrop Rewards to be stopped for Open Beta

[inland scarab]

The airdrop is a net negative to Illuvium. It’s creating artificial playing numbers with ‘airdrop vultures’ who will be off to the next game as soon as another game offers up larger rewards.

You can already see the negative sentiment in this channel from airdrop hunters who have played a lot of hours and now feel entitled to larger rewards.

Linking an extrinsic motivator like money to play time just focused people on the money, not the game, and as soon as their monetary expectations are not met, or you don’t continue to increase rewards, they will be gone. How is this helping us build a sustainable ecosystem long term? And every token we provide to those airdrop vultures is another that will be sold on the market, diluting token holders.

It’s also taken a community that have followed the game for 2-3 years and turned a portion of them into playing for money, not for fun.

[chrome shuttle]

i disagree with this

[near current]

let's be realistic. how do you define "fun"? hours spent/week playing a game? if so, is overworld fun? i think for most people, they would say there's no goals, nothing to really do after capturing your illuvials aside from arena.

i can definitely see some people finding arena fun but i'd imagine the statistics show it's not fun for most.

if you're worried about token dilution, which is probably what most holders are scared about, there's not going to be much impact if any on the price. 20k ILV prize pool which is about 0.24% of total supply. if you decide to sell immediately, you lose 50% of your ILV. assuming worst case scenario, 0.12% of total supply is sold which will barely affect the market at all. if anything, the sentiment that "airdrop vultures are going to dump on us" will cause more damage than the actual selling from airdrop farmers.

[chrome shuttle]

does our "loyal community" play the game as much as the farmers?

bottom line we need to generate at least $6m+ per month
and we need DAU

airdrop is good to get traction.
i see the huge size of the airdrop as a make it or break it moment

[inland scarab]

If a game isn’t fun, then it’s not going to pay anyway, whether you throw airdrop tokens at it or not. No long term value to the NFTs either.

So either you have a game that’s fun which airdrop tokens take the fun away or you have a game that’s not fun and airdropping tokens won’t help anyway

[inland scarab]

Yes

[inland scarab]

We need to sustain that $6m past a 12 month airdrop campaign.

Bottom line is does the marketing spend on these airdrop hints get more value back? I don’t think so..

[near current]

the game being fun is for sure a requirement. airdrop tokens most certainly do not take the fun away. the rules of the competition is what takes the fun away. these rules were literally designed to make players grind. i mentioned it in another post, but they could've easily limited runs to 5-10 per day.

[inland scarab]

Psychology research literally says that if you reward people with money (extrinsic motivation) then the reason for doing the task is diminished (intrinsic motivation).

So airdropping a token and focusing people on money and not the game absolutely, from peer reviewed research, does diminish people’s reason for playing a game

Look up extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation

That’s why for me the airdrop is so dangerous - because we’ve also taken people who were just playing the game for fun and had been part of the community for 2-3 years and have re-focused their reasons for playing on money and not the inherent fun of capturing all the illuvials and taking them into the arena

If you want to bring in new people - do a refer a friend where they get some fuel to start playing the game

[near current]

i don't have the statistics, but just from what i hear in the community, arena is not very popular.

[chrome shuttle]

this is my whole thesis that web3 games will always need to be P2E

[near current]

i can understand this, but isn't that the whole reason web3 games exist? opportunity to make money. why else would you make a web3 game instead of web2 game?

[inland scarab]

If the game isn’t any good - no amount of token airdrops will sustain it

[near current]

again you keep mistaking my point. i'm not saying airdrop forever to keep your game alive. there needs to be a good market/economy to where opportunities exist for players to make money

[inland scarab]

The technology of web 3 allows you to architect a game with certain features in a much better way than you could without it - it’s the blockchain tech that’s important.

• Better marketplace
• Better interoperability of assets in the same ecosystem (think Pokémon bank but so much better)
• Better and more transparent gaming analytics
• Transparent provenance of in game items.

It doesn’t work for every game but it’s perfect for Illuvium.

It’s not about people earning per se, albeit NFT ‘ownership’ allows people to cash out in the same way as Pokémon cards did if you got a good one - but that’s not the be all and end all of what this tech gives us. And if we let it take over, we all lose

[inland scarab]

There will be some opportunities any way, whether we airdrop tokens or not - highlight those opportunities

Remember that players can earn money in web 2 games - they just sell their accounts illegally to other gamers.

Web 3 just makes this easier

Or there’s a marketplace in game but the functionality is much worse than if it was done via blockchain tech

[inland scarab]

But it doesn’t mean we should totally architect our whole ecosystem around money just because the tech makes it easier for us to do so

[near current]

for pokemon cards, people open packs to get rares which is an opportunity to make money. i'm making the same argument for illuvium. there needs to be a proper economy/market for players to make money (also lose money). this has nothing to do with the airdrop. the airdrop is simply to get eyes on your project + test your game in this case.

the game requires you to buy fuel to play. their intention is to architect a whole ecosystem around money

[inland scarab]

It’s not going to work the same as Pokémon cards as you won’t be able to catch the best/rarest illuvials without a lot of playtime as you’ll need to have a team to beat them before capturing them.

That mechanic isn’t going away.

You can’t just pay $10 and come away with a holo ophisto.

So you have to play the game a lot - which is why skilled/large play time are important.

[inland scarab]

It’s just the same as any game with a micro transaction model vs just buying the game for say $50 at the outset

[inland scarab]

Can anyone point to any data that airdrop has meant traction and these players have stayed?

[chrome shuttle]

airdrop means traction, yes.
retention, may or may not

if u want data, check pixels UAW from dappradar

[near current]

can also check txs for Pirate Nation on the Apex Chain

[chrome shuttle]

im happy that few people who actually played many web3 games, farmed many P2A speaks lol

[chrome shuttle]

22 mutual servers. i like u ser

[chrome shuttle]

we only had 200 out of 1000 people eligible for weekly leaderboard rewards.
its too niche, and imo the design is not good, too linear.
gladly they dev a TFT clone mode called the gauntlet. we'll see

what we really need is OW end game

[near current]

whatever they create, there has to be a large sink for illuvials so that it's not a race for who can catch rares before everything reaches $0

[chrome shuttle]

afaik owning illuvials is only for costmetic in the gauntlet

[chrome shuttle]

the way the economy is set up, we need constant new players who want to complete their collection.
there is a sink to burn illuvials for ranger and drone skins

but unsure its coming in a month

[near current]

i dont think skins and cosmetics will be nearly a big enough reason for people to burn enough illuvials to sustain a healthy economy

[chrome shuttle]

nope

need OW to be multiplayer.
if its arena only, u cant really see the ranger next to the illuvials

what i want is illuvials skins

[near current]

imo there needs to be a core game mechanic that requires burning of illuvials. this will create a proper sink so that illuvials don't all go to 0.

[chrome shuttle]

burn illuvials for what? XP candy?

the notion is that due to the bonding curve, one day the Gen 1 will be harder to catch/extinct

and we will have Gen 2, and so on

[inland scarab]

So it's set up as a ponzi scheme in your mind - so definitely a race to catch the rares before they all go to $0

[inland scarab]

reducing supply of illuvials means nothing if there's no demand

[near current]

demand would be in gauntlet/arena if they require caught illuvials to be used in tournaments maybe. highly dependent on success of those games though

obviously there's probably more coming to the overworld, but that's probably way down the line. not going to be in time for launch

[inland scarab]

link?

can't see masses of players spending thousands of dollars to get the best illuvials for future games tbh

I expect people will want to catch their own and take them in - demand for rares will come mostly from collectors

[sour fulcrum]

I would like to agree but I can't. I sort of feel like the old guy at a dive bar of a shitty town that has hords of young people moving in wrecking the old way. These airdrop vultures are sad, I feel bad because I have played the game with all good intentions. But then you have the holo only accounts and it's kinda sad. But I don't want to be the old guy in the corner remember what it meant to do it the "right way". Turns out I just didn't game the system as good as these bots.

[chrome shuttle]

im not using that word.
we can see it from the testnet prices already. at the start of a meta prices increased, then as people caught the illuvials themself, more supply is introduced, the prices go down. after the existing players have completed their collection, why do they need more of the same illuvials?