PLAY-FOR-AIRDROP IDEA

[sinful pivot]

Marketplace trading (buy/sell) should separately in points.

Imagine bot SepEth farmer are completing the Tier list from Tier 1-5 without even playing.

We've been playing 10hrs+ daily to enjoy and capture illuvials and these bot can easily complete the tier by buying it in Marketplace.

Please put atleast 100hrs or 200hrs minimum hour played to counter these bot sepeth farmer.

@lethal phoenix what do you think to add here?

[radiant chasm]

Thank you ser this way is better for gathering all feedback on this particular subject....I will redirect people here that have the same concern

[mighty topaz]

Can bot have infinite sepeth?

[sinful pivot]

They can mine multiple wallet addresses tho. so if they'll just buy all in marketplace and completing the tier without hustling in-game its kinda unfair.

[charred pebble]

totally. only creatures captured must count. nothing bought on the marketplace

[jolly rock]

ive been farming sep eth lol

[sinful pivot]

Also, Since marketplace is really part of the game. We can include separate points for Trading Volume.

[mighty topaz]

Even with multiple adresses i doubt a bot can even complete all T5, did you see how expensive those things go ahah

[sinful pivot]

Mining sep eth is fine. just for fuel exchange usage. not buying illuvials just to complete the tierlist.

[ripe nacelle]

It would be good if they blocked the deposit from wallet option. And these robots require a minimum of 300 hours.

[sinful pivot]

bots been mining sep eth since its really useful for testnet. saw on some socials they're selling SepEth for currency.

[jolly rock]

yup

[ripe nacelle]

Sir, you can easily farm 6 eth every 2 hours. You buy the tier 5 market floor and just dedicate yourself to leveling up the illuvials.

[mighty topaz]

300 is more than full time job thats a stretch

I understand the concern but are we sure bots can mine that much in the faucets? From the numbers i heard and from the current price of T5s and other good illuvials i doubt bots can be efficient tbh

[lethal phoenix]

yo guys ( 1. ) imagine people not playing, just buying, and using eth farming bots, without playing games, is that fair?? then how will people who play 15 hours + a day in the game lose to those who use $eth bot farms ( 2. ) then we can get airdrop points by buying without playing the game? , many will use bot farm eth without playing illuvium if it's like that, uknow what i mean sir,thanks ( 3 ) 20 hour ++ 1 day i play then i can lose with peaople farm bot eth without play
only farm eth without play iluvium gg, to be honest i am tired ( 4) my friend can make eth test net arround 200 eth ++ 1 day , if u want know ( 5) So if I buy from the marketplace and qualify for airdrop, why do I play 20 hours a day and feel very tired?? better i farm bot eth ? without play iluvium?? without tired? ( 6 ) I and the people here are complaining about this, to support Illuvium better, and to be able to appreciate more people who are serious about Illuvium, not fud, I hope the team listens to us, because to be honest, playing 20 hours a day even I have to collect shards which are very difficult to get. , I even had to catch random animals to get their tier

[sinful pivot]

100hrs for a month is quite good. since not everyone is playing same hours right?

[ionic cloud]

i agree

[lethal phoenix]

pined this please@radiant chasm@sinful pivot

[jolly rock]

but people are selling the illuvials instead of keeping them

[sinful pivot]

they need sep eth for Fuel Exchange tho.

[ionic cloud]

well if they can pay 50+ eth for illuvial they farm it pretty well

[mighty topaz]

If they can get 3/h than yes thats a lot

[jolly rock]

fuel is cheap compared to the illuvials

[ionic cloud]

where can i get more eth?

[lethal phoenix]

@radiant chasmthanks for help 🫂

[sinful pivot]

better the team will put 50-100 or 200 hrs minimum playing time. to avoid these sep eth farmers.

[radiant chasm]

Yes ser....no worries

[radiant chasm]

That is not a bad idea

[sinful pivot]

lower tier are cheap, they can complete tier 0 - 3 easily.

[mighty topaz]

I think requiring minimum hours played is not the way to go. Imagine the real humans playing just a couple hours being left out

We are a bunch of tryhards and illuvium maxis here but theres a lot of people who cant play much

How about we simply remove the ability to send sepeth to your wallet? Can a bot be effective with only his 1 wallet/account?

2nd option could be to remove the rule that illuvials can be bought

[sinful pivot]

couple hours for a month = 60 tho. still able to attain 50hrs minimum requirement.

[mighty topaz]

Ive got friends that wont be able to put more than 15/20h

I dont think we should or have to put such a restriction

[lethal phoenix]

agree with u

[mighty topaz]

The guy with his bots will just go play the required amount of time anyway, perhaps with another bot 😄

[lethal phoenix]

see mine,crazy play iluvium hahahaha 258 hour now

[sinful pivot]

atleast he has to make an effort 😂 he played the game by sustaining the required time played 😄

[mighty topaz]

So for now i see 2 potential solutions

1️⃣ Remove ability to send sepEth between wallets (not viable if a single wallet can mine a ton of eth alone)

2️⃣ Remove the eligibility of bought illuvials for the airdrop points

[ripe nacelle]

I think the best thing would be a combination of both, eliminating the eth entry and asking for a minimum of hours.

[lethal phoenix]

and what about this, u guys agree with this, then how can there be people who use macros and then move and change place every 14 minutes? is that fair?@sinful pivot@mighty topaz

[grand pumice]

can't believe they casually nuked their campaign and nobody cares

[gaunt urchin]

You'd probably want to include transfers, or you're just exporting the problem.

It's pretty dramatic to say things like "nuked the campaign". There's like 900 Illuvials for sale for sETH right now. Someone botting sETH super hard would quickly bleed the market dry.

[lethal phoenix]

hahahaha true

[gaunt urchin]

Total of 417500 Illuvials captured, just for scale.

I'm speculating here, but I imagine trade functionality was included because this is a beta test, and it's likely the team wanted to be able to test the marketplace alongside the game. I definitely understand the concern that it could interfere with the fairness of the airdrop though, so we'll raise the issue.

[grand pumice]

You know it would almost be a fullset if someone swept the market for not even 500 seth rn right?

I already mentioned that this was the one silver lining, that doesn't mean this isn't the most foolish decision they could have possibly made

[mighty topaz]

Thanks Blickter

I didnt think this could be a problem but when someone here says his friend farm 200seth per day thats concerning 😄

[gaunt urchin]

It would take a ludicrous amount of sETH to get anywhere close to a full set right now. Here's some T5 S3 prices.

I'm not saying it's not an issue, but keep in mind that if people are buying for those prices, the prices will rapidly increase.

These are the only 7 T5 S3 listed right now as well.

Not a lot of value for someone to be selling these for sETH either, considering your options are:

Keep it, get something from the airdrop.
Sell it, get sETH which carries no value.

[lethal phoenix]

@gaunt urchinnice thanks ,good sound 🫂 make better illuvium for hardcore player,not for bott peaople without play the game 🫂

[gaunt urchin]

Yeah I don't want sETH botters getting anything either.

[grand pumice]

As if there isn't another approach to get to a stage 3. You are absolutely downplaying the issue. People will sprinkle stage 1 t5s onto the market. Hope the bot farms don't realize their sepeth just grew infinitely in value

[gaunt urchin]

Why will they do that?

What's the motive to do so?

[grand pumice]

Seriously? Not only is this already happening, but people will do it to rejuice their seth for fuel.

[gaunt urchin]

There could be someone unwilling to find a sETH faucet on their own, who wants enough sETH to play more than they are otherwise able to.

[lethal phoenix]

iam not lie,my friend can,he can use multiple wallet and farming, 24 hour easy to got 200 eth testnet, that why i complain

[mighty topaz]

Im glad you guys brought this up. It is for sure a valid concern 💯

[lethal phoenix]

@grand pumice@gaunt urchinTrading will be considered fair if on mainnet because it uses real money, but it will not be fair if done on testnet because bot farming can occur

[grand pumice]

Creating an implied USD seth value that isn't directly tied or filtered through a ridiculous amount of gameplay (the entire purpose of the testnet) is an irredeemably unhinged change

[lethal phoenix]

Yes, because I'm a player who plays Illuvium 15-20 hours a day in the Illuvium game, farming shards, materials, catching animals, it would be very sad if I lost the point airdrop by someone who bot farms Eth without doing anything, without playing the Illuvium game but can win airdrop points because you get lots of sets from the marketplace

[grand pumice]

I can't believe it's even a discussion

[lethal phoenix]

its verry verry sad for me haha tired

[lethal phoenix]

we are all here complaining about something that is unfair to illuvium and real player, why do you seem like someone who is tof bot farming eth and buying lots of sets on the marketplace?

[radiant chasm]

discussions are good and listening to others points of views and feedback enhances the conversation

[sinful pivot]

Atleast guys we did our part. Thanks for your additional informations!

[lethal phoenix]

@radiant chasm@gaunt urchinthank you, let's make illuvium fairer again, thank u verry much for help, lets go grinding again

[ripe nacelle]

I think the best would be option 1, with the other option you would be killing many players in the private beta.

[grand pumice]

I don't recall seeing a feedback thread or a governance thread 'discussing' adding this in

[radiant chasm]

Yes, this is very helpful....I will redirect anyone with concerns here

[radiant chasm]

Don't need to.....team makes decisions on their own, if not it would be terribly slow to build anything. But if most DAO members don’t like the changes we can revert it back or change them. You already have 2 council members in this thread

[lethal phoenix]

I think to be fair to the whole PB4 or open beta, the same thing applies to trading, not counting the airdrop points, because in fact private beta is not harmed, they get a lot of profits, private beta doesn't reset anything in open beta, and even private beta gets more time to catch animals than open beta, so there is no significant loss for private beta test players if trading is not counted as points, in my opinion it is like that

[high gull]

liquidity will dry up quickly anyways in the marketplace now that all illuvials are included towards airdrop.. nobody will sell then i bet.. because you are selling something you would have gotten airdrop points from, so i dont see this as a major issue.

[grand pumice]

🤦‍♂️

[high gull]

but if someone can farm 200+ ETH on sepolia per 24 hours, and people are selling their T5 illuvials still, then yeah not ideal i agree to that

[ripe nacelle]

People will sell because they lack eth. For those who use bots, this market is perfect, it has high liquidity and high supply.

Yesterday the number of Tier 5 went from 47 to 122

[jolly rock]

tbh i was expecting the airdrop points would be coming from in-game activities like:

• catching
• fusing
• leveling up stage 3 illuvials
• winning arena matches
• IZ upgrading buildings and selling fuel
  but it looks like the team took the easy way to calculate points

[ripe nacelle]

The more the days pass, the people will advance and there will be more illuviam in the market.

[jolly rock]

tbh i have almost 200sep eth, and it feels wrong to just buy

i agree with this idea, if we want to test illuvidex, just give airdrop points to trading volume

[south jungle]

Only 258h?

[grand pumice]

Can council members influence a reversal of this decision?>

[south jungle]

1. why?

Because I have 350h of gameplay and it's not right that all my ETH I collected should go to waste.

I worked hard and I should be rewarded for it. Banning deposit on the wallet is a unique and correct solution that will not harm anyone and everything will remain fair

[jolly rock]

we can IIP it

[grand pumice]

The sooner the better! Scripts for the market are surely already being written

[south jungle]

It's true, but some people want to sell and buy what they don't have, which is ok.

[jolly rock]

its not hard to calculate trading volume, and very easy to farm too. u can just sell to yourself at very high prices

[south jungle]

You have to think about the new players that are coming. How would they take anything from the arena if they don't have all the illuviums for pvp?

[jolly rock]

the most important part of ILV is the arena, if we are not testing that then whats the point other than giving out tokens

currently our economy depends on demand from arena players

[gaunt urchin]

Just did a little digging around on testnet immutascan - It's always a little janky pulling txns off there so don't take this as law, there could be data missing.

In the last 13 days, it looks like a total of 310 wallets have traded Illuvials specifically. Biggest spender was $547k worth of sETH, over 29 transactions. Average spend was $26k worth of sETH. Average txn count was 6.3 per wallet. Most txns by any wallet was 79, and that wallet spent ~20k of sETH. About 1950 txns total.

Approx. 0.46% of all captured illuvials, assuming none were traded multiple times. Some probably were, I didn't check for that.

[south jungle]

The team chose an odd way of scoring in the last announcement. We simply need new players in OW to appear in the PVP arena.

More than great for the Illuvium Team.

What I would suggest is to cancel the deposit to addresses of more than 1eth per day.

[ripe nacelle]

I share the gentleman's opinion, the only solution that maintains this promise is to eliminate the eth sepolia deposit

[grand pumice]

🤦‍♂️
0.46% is absurdly high btw, without even getting deep into it

There needs to be a community vc or something, council members/devs need to do the right thing

As if the trading volume doesn't have something to do with traded illuvials being recently updated as counted

[jolly rock]

oh yea i bought some illuvials after the announcement lol

thats the thing about airdrop, i will find the easiest way to win some tokens.

[grand pumice]

I personally don't mind preparing to participate in gamifying the market, I just think these behaviors as currently incentivized are generally repulsive and against the purpose of the campaign

[jolly rock]

well ive been asking the team to announce the rules since a long time ago. turns out they still figuring it out

[grand pumice]

But you can influence them, no?

It's beyond me that anyone is looking forward to seeing sepoliawhale.eth at the top of the leaderboard with 1/4 of the playtime of everyone else

[jolly rock]

all i can do rn is keep posting and giving my opinion.
ive farmed a few P2A and other airdrops. This one seems to be under prepared.
unless theres an IIP to change something thats all i can do

[lethal phoenix]

i am not play a lot in playtest private, start from open beta test

[jolly rock]

i dont believe an individual can buy their way out to the top. theres just not many illuvials on the illuvidex

does it help yes, but not entirely

[gaunt urchin]

Unless 79 is top, no one has bought their way to the top.

(It's not)

[south jungle]

This is the best possible way to get new players, there's really no need to be selfish.

You just need to ban the deposit on the passport and that's it. Today, players earn 400 sepETH, no one is stopping you, trade and buy everything if you can. Very simple.

[jolly rock]

but how about people who already did that

those people would have had the advantage and people who are farming sepETH gonna rage

[grand pumice]

Time to maximize my participation in the Illuvium Overworld campaign, a recently released web3 game
(I'm pow'ing 500seth per week and botsniping the market)

[south jungle]

But there are none, you understand. I have almost 400h, and I have 5 million trading volume since close beta.

I just transferred 0.1 eth for fee to metamask and that's it.

I can always give my address, let everything be checked immediately, to make sure that it is possible

Now i have 140sep ETH

[lethal phoenix]

wtf hahahahahaahaaha crazy,how

[gaunt urchin]

There's immutascan for IMX, there's sandbox immutascan for testnet.

[grand pumice]

Happy to vc with anyone who disagrees this is a complete disaster for the campaign

[gaunt urchin]

It lets you export transactions, it just kind of sucks at doing so. You can (and probably should) take a look for yourself, some quick excel work tells ya everything you might want to know.

[jolly rock]

ideally, a P2A should not change the rules midway.
i am salty when they changed the rules to include the illuvials from early access and PB4.
imagine if we had the leaderboard on the 28th of mah and some people from early access+PB4 were already at the top

[south jungle]

What's wrong with that? Rather, he found 50 bugs with videos in those 200 hours. He played the game and now it's all totaled into points. Quite okay

[lethal phoenix]

hmm if it's like this I have to be prepared from now on to fill hundreds of eth into the illuvium wallet, that could happen 🫂

[south jungle]

You don't have to, you can always use it for master shards

[jolly rock]

i believe in fair playing field.
i didnt play too much of early access+PB4 because i thought it's wont count

[south jungle]

What hours do you have now?

[ripe nacelle]

If this is not corrected, there will be no choice but to do the same. Otherwise I feel like a free tester.

[jolly rock]

i only had 80+ hours from early + PB4. and now 40 hours

Lol i just found out how to buy sep eth.
gluck guys

[lethal phoenix]

it's better to use it for illuvial, because it can immediately be made into a tier 5 set ahahahahahah

Why would I be tired of looking for animals if I can buy them and can got airdrop point from buy without playing the game hahaahhaha? hahahahaha

[grand pumice]

devs will do the right thing

[lethal phoenix]

@ripe nacelleyeah i agree, iam tired play 15-20 hour in game iluvial

but if peaople can buy from market and make set from market and got airdrop poin from only buy in market ,without playing the game, for what we play if can buy and eligible??

better i sit on chair,make coffe,use bot eth,buy from market and make a set tier 4,5 and stage ,and then got airdrop point without playing iluvium hahaah no tired

[lethal phoenix]

After you have played the game for so long, are you willing to lose to someone who does something like this? 🤣 😂

[ripe nacelle]

That's what I say, why waste your time playing, if you can get 5 times more out of it with the market and the bots.

[lethal phoenix]

u smart,i aggree, to be honest play illuvium verry tired,if can cheat why we play 🤣

if can buy ,why we play👀

[grand pumice]

All I want to do is rug the people who are (as we speak) 20/80 wallets in on the sepolia faucet with devious intentions

[lethal phoenix]

From the start I thought you were evil, but it turns out you were good, it turns out your goal was to trap them, wtf 🤣

[jolly rock]

you can actually sell sepETH
i found the pool

[grand pumice]

gg

[gaunt urchin]

Yeah I'm aware, found a few sites selling it when I was checking out faucets.

Paying something for testnet ETH seems like a losing proposition to me, but to each their own.

Seems a lot like being the guy selling the shovels during a gold rush lol

[south jungle]

So why are these T5 S3 illuviums sitting on the dex for so long? Nobody buys them?

Where is your 160 sepETH, when are you going to buy it?

[grand pumice]

? Literally give it 24 hours (generously)

[jolly rock]

0.01 eth can get you 376sepETH

[grand pumice]

Jaganite is about to become a MUCH better illuvium overworld player

[jolly rock]

no, T5 S3 is too expensive lol
$16 for a testnet nft

[grand pumice]

T5 S3s are worth a lot more than $16 🙂

In my opinion at least!

[jolly rock]

really?

[south jungle]

Where?

[jolly rock]

lol

[grand pumice]

anytime you want to arb a quick $10 I'll buy it from you for $25 😄

[jolly rock]

[south jungle]

The goal is to make it easier for Team, you are sarcastic all the time and a little angry about it all. Okay, I understand you.

As before, the Team always worked in our favor, I believe that it will be the same this time

[jolly rock]

ser i just bought 200sepETH

[south jungle]

All addresses that had a deposit for more than 1 sep eth can be seen and put on the black list, that's why I believe that in the end it will be full fair

So don't rush to buy sepETH, you might end up on the blacklist 🙂

[jolly rock]

[lethal phoenix]

if they have a deposit of more than 1 eth and use it for hyperion, solon and maybe master shard, in my opinion it can still be tolerated because they are still playing the illuvium game and still need time to look for illuvial, but what cannot be tolerated is, they who deposit more than 1 eth even 50 eth to buy illuvial and without playing illuvium

[ripe nacelle]

I think the same thing, those wallets should be blocked.

[south jungle]

That's right.

I'm telling you, the team will do everything that could ultimately be the most correct for everyone

[ruby hinge]

is this the wrong place to ask about how to get sep eth ? 😄 i get .1 eth from alchemy faucet thats it lol

[proper cliff]

I just sold a t5 I caught for 125eth to buy all the upgrades, why should I be blacklisted? I have played idk almost 100 hours since private beta. If the wallet with a lot of eth played a lot of hours they shouldnt be black listed for market selling to sep eth bulk miners. Assuming they exist. Then we got to talk about the Illuviual supply which the team did a good job with. Stage 3 tier 5 feel super rare.

[lethal phoenix]

The best way is just illuvial where the results from trading do not include airdrop points, in my opinion to be fair

[lethal phoenix]

If this method is implemented, what I'm confused about is if there are players who combine trading results with their catches hahaha, I can't think of that?

[proper cliff]

Trades are different than buys you can actually send an illuviul to someone on imx and have them agree to send back, hand shake thing so v risky lol. Did you mean to say market buys? I get you think it is the best way but I disagree, so i am asking for a reason why I, in the above scenario, wouldnt deserve some airdrop. Like markets are part of web3 games and I love that, so much better than the control in web2 imho. So if I grind and sell something I earned without cheating, it doesnt make sense to punish me for just playing another aspect of the game.

[solemn chasm]

I don't think it's fair to make this change after having already changed it once, I lost 2 T5 stage 3 because I needed shards and they made a change that left me losing 2 T5 stage 3 for nothing. Now I sold 2 to buy one I didn't have, and now you want to cancel all my transactions? btw the 2 I sold I upgraded to 57k xp. If you want a way to discourage some players to help others, you are on the right path XDD

[solemn chasm]

I forgot to mention that I also made an trade directly with gift of a T5 S3 for a T5 S3 with @south jungle

[stoic rivet]

I think a minimum playtime threshold is a good idea. Maybe not that high but I agree.

And yes I agree this is an issue that needs to be fixed

[proper cliff]

I also 2nd this. I sold my t5 s3 in private beta cause I didnt feel like mining ore and i thought the rule was, at the beginning of pb4, was our private beta illuviuls didnt count. I am not mad about it, we were testing for u guys after all, just to change the market rules again to effect our decisions is kind of annoying after over a month of playing.

[lethal phoenix]

then if no change,better farm bot eth and no need tired play illuvium right? 😂

[solemn chasm]

we can send print here?

[lethal phoenix]

better i make coffe,farm bot eth,sit on chair,not tired play illuvium,buy in market and make set and tier ,u guys want make illuvium like that?😂

[proper cliff]

Being very disingenious here, no one wants that and it isnt going to happen even if someone farmed 1 million sep eth. You are completely ignoring the entire supply side of the market, there will not be enough t5 or t4 illuviuls for sale for someone to complete that set in a competitive buying environment. Then you punish actual players for just participating in the market.

[solemn chasm]

the first image is what is available on the market.
the second is what I already have (I must have 2-4 more already leveled that i just don't evolve) btw you can open my profile and see that 90% are captured or evolved by myself.

If it were easier to make coffee and farm bot eth, I think there must be something wrong, because someone who does this will never reach me in the leader

[proper cliff]

100% onboard with a minimum playtime cap for buys to matter though. Dont punish market participants for just being in the market but DO punish ppl just trying to sybil and not actually play the game.

[solemn chasm]

I agree with that

[stoic rivet]

Someone did tell me it's a good test for economy and stuff. Its important to stress test these things. If that weren't the case I'd probably be against the market entirely

[lethal phoenix]

this second picture, i play more 15-20 hour 1 day but cant got iluvial like this, but if i have a lot eth amd use farm bot, maybe i no need tired play illuvium hahahahaha ,damn

[lethal phoenix]

for make stage 3 i need play more for up my xp.shit haha

[solemn chasm]

im doing exactly this

[lethal phoenix]

market trading including airdrop points is good for mainet because it uses real money, but not good for testnet because we can use bot farm eth without playing illuvium games,

[proper cliff]

I hear ya man, and thanks for the content and that google points tracking sheet, I appreciate it. I love the market aspect of web3 games though and if it is that central to the game and neccisitates rigourous testing. Then it shouldnt miss out on incentives. Also, we aren't really testing a market if you get rid of incentives. Like comparing poker games where one is for bottle caps and the other for 1000s of dollars, same ppl are going to behave differently in the 2 scenarios.

[jolly rock]

ru selling those ser?

[solemn chasm]

nah

[stoic rivet]

Oh its by no means a proper test. But at least its something. Which is why I think a playtime threshold is a really good idea

[jolly rock]

need to fix the illuvidex, still not showing stats

[proper cliff]

I think the playtime threshold is the good fruit from this thread. Is there anything just your average player can do to propose this or get it in front of the team? Or is this the type of thing that would go before the Illuviul counsel. Can lord Kieran decide he likes it and just make it so?

[stoic rivet]

We can definitely bring it to the team in council meetings. But I think you'll find they watch these conversations often.

@haughty scarab thoughts on the above?

[lethal phoenix]

@stoic rivetIn fact, if a decent playing time is applied, humans can carry out conditions every 14 minutes to move places using macros and AFK without doing anything, and while farming bots eth tesnet 👀

some of my friends farmed eth testnet bots, and afk used macros for 14 minutes to move places so that AFK wouldn't get caught but they haven't bought up illuvial on the market because they're afraid, maybe they will buy up illuvial tier 5 at the last moment the open beta test ends hahahahahahahahaha 👀

There is a lot of cheating that can be done in this open beta test rule, therefore it needs to be fixed

[stoic rivet]

You are correct. Don't forget that the team can see obvious botting and they will perma ban any users that attempt this

Maybe a better condition would be to capture 2-3 Tier 5 Illuvials to be permitted

[lethal phoenix]

that's why I say airdrop point trading can be cheated

trading point good for mainet, not good for testnet because can farm bot eth

[stoic rivet]

To be clear, you still require sellers, there are practically none. I'd say botting this is impractical

[haughty scarab]

Was discussed in the IMC meeting today.

[stoic rivet]

Glad to hear ❤️

[lethal phoenix]

@stoic rivetfor now I am ready to prepare hundreds of eth testnet for the final day of the open beta test hahaha if this trading can still be used as a point

[haughty scarab]

So, I'll just say from my POV. This is a non-issue. It simulates a "real" trading environment where your Illuvials are actually "worth something" in this case Airdrop points. So there is some value in simulating this real world economy. People might be able to sell their extra Illuvials to get more sepETH in order to play more to gather Illuvials they need. But there were several other factors discussed the <@&814435151307866142> could weigh in on their thoughts as well.

[lethal phoenix]

you can choose

1. Humans who play Illuvium seriously and work hard

2.makes it easier to bot without playing illuvium

3. illuvium is a good game, it's very disgusting if a lot of cheating occurs, that's why it's necessary to close leaks in the rules that can be cheated 🫂

[haughty scarab]

and like Scoriox said this is also dependent on people selling these Illuvials. People would be actively selling their airdrop points essentially for sepETH.

[stoic rivet]

You still cannot manifest Illuvials out of thin air. But I understand and agree that there is serious risk of people abusing the systems with this change to the airdrop

[lethal phoenix]

@haughty scarab@stoic rivetimagine, it took me several days to increase my illuvial xp so that it could be fused to stage 3, not to mention that I had to look for shards which took several days

then it appears, people who don't play but have a lot of eth testnet can buy easily and get the set they want haha ​​gg

Do you feel the pain and fatigue?

[stoic rivet]

I feel it, trust me I do

Don't forget I built several scripts to check what I did and didnt buy off the illuvidex since the ingame UI didnt have it.

[lethal phoenix]

@haughty scarabthen if the team continues to maintain trading in airdrop points, for now it is better for players to sit back without getting tired, farm eth, use macro 14 minutes to move places, and wait for a lot of eth then buy it on the market to get the set they want hahahaha

[lethal phoenix]

that's why games need to reward people who really play honestly without bad intentions, respect for u

rules that can be cheated, need to be closed, that's why this discussion exists, because honestly illuvium is a difficult and tiring game

[haughty scarab]

Why would someone put it on market if they are giving up their airdrop points or tickets to the mega hunt

A lot of stuff is listed from PB4

before we made this change

A lot of them sold Illuvials not knowing this change was coming.

[lethal phoenix]

because there are some people who don't know how to farm eth bots (those are the people who sell them) and it becomes food for people who can farm eth bots

[haughty scarab]

But then they are able to play more because then they have sepETH like I said, testing a real world type economy.

They are actively selling their airdrop points though or their mega hunt tickets

[lethal phoenix]

I, who play 15-20 hours a day, only need to use 0.5 eth🤣

do humans really need 2,5,10 eth a day to play? 😂

[haughty scarab]

Some people are playing many many hours a day ser lol

[lethal phoenix]

hearing your words it seems like the trading point is still being maintained, maybe it's time to farm bot, no tired playing illuvium and still get an airdrop 👀 @haughty scarab

[lethal phoenix]

if use 10 wallet can make 30 eth total 1 hour verry good 👀

tier 5 set soon hohohohoho, 10 wallet 10 hour 300 eth testnet 👀

[jolly rock]

not sure u can just move around
i reckon u need to shoot a rock or craft something at least

[lethal phoenix]

yes he do that, that is i mean

[jolly rock]

good point. some whales prob just gonna buy stuff on illuvidex to win the airdrop on mainnet

[lethal phoenix]

lol 🤣

[jolly rock]

thats the alpha

[lethal phoenix]

soon iam is the whale 👀

[jolly rock]

dont hate the players

[grand pumice]

Why does nobody seem to want to address the real underlying issue, which is acknowledging how much value seth whales will extract from people who are actually playing the game throughout the course of the month? The benefit for players is almost completely negligible

[grand pumice]

This is something that I originally believed as a silver lining, but I no longer do. There will be plenty of liquidity from players who want to 'swap' across tiers, complete sets, and release excess t4s and below.

The integrity of the campaign is predicated on the implied sepoliaETH value being filtered through massive amounts of gameplay. Someone who has been diligently hoarding seth previously would not have had recourse to wield all of it within the ecosystem

[sinful pivot]

@stoic rivet can i have the updated googlesheet tracker? It's not working on my end.

[south jungle]

@haughty scarab @stoic rivet you are not right guys, look this BOT addres:

0xca7928fb668bb3804e513f85af292ae20d0e1cd6

This guy is boter and he buy everthing on market without SHARD and 0 hours on account. Chack this!

https://sandbox.illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/NoTComplain?collection=Illuvials&tier=5

Do you still think this is fair? You need to do something about this and protect your players who work hard and bring this game to life

[sinful pivot]

Thanks for this heads-up. we have a concrete evidence that there are abusers.

btw, Does the team considering Energy recharging in-game?
Like the fuel cost is the same but we recharge atleast 50% of 4k?

[jolly rock]

i can see him minting shards and illuvials

[south jungle]

You're just boring. If the team doesn't want to do anything, that's their right, but in this way they destroy the integrity of the game

[haughty scarab]

He is literally playing though and youre saying hes not?

[south jungle]

If you can help the team find a solution, if you can't, then be like this bot and correct all of us who already have 340h

[jolly rock]

solution = mine sepETH

[south jungle]

This account has two accounts, on one farm and play, and on the other bot and buy.

It will probably bring everything together in the end.

[jolly rock]

do u have his other wallet addy?

[south jungle]

Yes, i trade with him tonight

[jolly rock]

even if we enforce that u need a minimum hours, someone like him can just transfer everything to the active account

[south jungle]

secund accaunt: one for farm with gaming, secund farm with bot sepETH

https://sandbox.illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/NoTComplain

[jolly rock]

the P2A is already broken when they counting illuvials in your wallet instead of rewarding gameplay

i mean, P2A stands for Play-2-Airdrop right
not Pay-2-Airdrop?

[haughty scarab]

This is the same address

[south jungle]

You're right. I thought they were two different addresses

[haughty scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/ilv-illuvium-dk-rich-pit-vipers-gif-14968050354190990632

[south jungle]

I apologize to the guy I accused of cheating by mistake.

I'm just glad it's a mistake

[grand pumice]

🙄

[lethal phoenix]

what the fuck is this hahahahahah

[sinful pivot]

👀

[sinful pivot]

Since dashboard is not yet live, are these task ingames are also counted?

[dapper rune]

No

[lethal phoenix]

@south jungle184 illuvial and all tier 5? crazy 🤣

[dapper rune]

There goes my chance of earning in airdrop

[lethal phoenix]

@haughty scarabWhy is your behavior like someone who defends bots? and is the person who has 184 tier 5 not crazy? 😂 now i confuse to you

[south jungle]

its oke

[lethal phoenix]

i confuse with rich,after he see this, still like defend them 😂

[south jungle]

i have 80 with out duplicate sets

[molten ferry]

Bro you are not from this world omfg 👀

[mossy bridge]

You are absolutely right!

[lethal phoenix]

2

[ripe nacelle]

1

[ripe nacelle]

I think the best thing would be to remove sepolia's entry, and ban the bots.

[lethal phoenix]

In my opinion 1 doesn't solve the problem, it still benefits people who are already farming bots

2 is applied and everything is done, all players will play honestly, and the winner in this obt will be won by a real person who plays seriously without bots

[ripe nacelle]

But that is resolved by asking for a minimum of hours or directly banning the bots.

[lethal phoenix]

Using a minimum of hours can be cheated using macros, by moving around for 14 minutes and for 14 minutes just walking randomly using macros

[lethal phoenix]

and to be honest some my friend do that use macro

[ripe nacelle]

I didn't know this existed, how dirty they are.

I just hope the team takes action against cheaters and bots. Otherwise the game will be played purely by bots. I have several friends who are also waiting for a solution, otherwise they will sell their land and leave.

[solemn chasm]

HAHAHAHAHA

I slept for 10 hours and woke up being accused of cheating when I said that my account was 90% captured and leveled by myself xd

[grand pumice]

what's the other 10%

[jolly rock]

tbf some people i know have been trading illuvials to buy the ones they need to complete a set

[solemn chasm]

the one i trade with @south jungle and another one i bought in market so only 2 xd

[solemn chasm]

bought with the ETH i sold 2 T5 S3

in not counting stage 2 and 1 because its all mines, never bought or trade

[south jungle]

Now its oke. My mistake and rashness.

[lethal phoenix]

hpw cam u have 184 illuvial and all tier 5?

[solemn chasm]

catching everyone who appeared in front of me in 5 days

btw u can open the wallet and check one by one, all caught by me

[lethal phoenix]

catching in game? capture in game?

[solemn chasm]

exactly, do this and see u

[grand pumice]

how many priv beta hours u got

[solemn chasm]

not so many, like i started the OPB with 150 illuvials and now i have 564

I didn't play the beta that much because I thought it wouldn't count for now

[lethal phoenix]

wtf how can like that 184 and all tier 5

[lethal phoenix]

u mean u got 184 tier 5 only need 5 day?

[solemn chasm]

btw I'm ignoring ador and phos like 2 days xd

[solemn chasm]

yea, just playing

[lethal phoenix]

@grand pumiceu can do this? if uplay 20 hour? hahahaha

[grand pumice]

ur clean with it

[lethal phoenix]

@solemn chasmall stage 3?

[grand pumice]

its possible

[solemn chasm]

what u mean

[solemn chasm]

i did not understand the question

[lethal phoenix]

u got tier 184 illuvial tier 5, only need 5 day ,in where u farm?

[solemn chasm]

oh got it, yeah only stage 3 in stepland

[lethal phoenix]

what is step land

[solemn chasm]

mb brightland i think

this one

[lethal phoenix]

If you catch it, there is no problem for you, you will not suffer losses from inactive eligible airdrop point trading
, you can even easily capture it again by playing

@solemn chasmDo you have a special spot to get tier 5 or any other tips you can give so that no one gets suspicious?

[solemn chasm]

my problem is only titanor, because it is more difficult to find only playing brightland, with this change I would lose 2 titanors that I got in the trade and buying so it hurts yes

[solemn chasm]

I'm just spamming matches for 10 hours, I usually join every battle instead of scamming and looking for something good

[lethal phoenix]

are there any other tips? 184 tier 5 in 5 days is crazy haha

[solemn chasm]

nah is only that, If you don't have shards I would focus on getting the green stones during the runs too

[south jungle]

This is really possible, I have 90 of them, but I haven't caught at least 100 of them that are S1 due to me saving shards.

No need to keep 20 rampy if I have one ramphyte, its my logic

[solemn chasm]

exactly, I just didn't save shard because I always get green stones during runs

[solemn chasm]

my logic is different, I want to close MANY LINES of T5 so it is necessary xd

[lethal phoenix]

@south jungledo you shoot tier 1,2,3 enemies and then scan them?

or just go around without scanning and shooting, just go around until it says tier 5?@solemn chasm@south jungle

[south jungle]

That logic is fine if you go to lv up

[solemn chasm]

yeah im doing that

[solemn chasm]

nah, just shot and battle without scanning

[south jungle]

I kill everything in front of me to stay at 1000 energy with everything and one Illuvium killed and then farm stones for shard

[solemn chasm]

the T5% increased a lot from the PBT, so you enter a battle with 12 illuvials, it is very easy to find T5 S1

[lethal phoenix]

u do this for xp?

[solemn chasm]

exactly

[south jungle]

how long does it take you to hatch one T5 in S3?

[solemn chasm]

to level u mean?

[south jungle]

Yeah S1 to S3

[solemn chasm]

1 day doing this, is like 250-300 xp per battle

[lethal phoenix]

@solemn chasmu use test net version or public version?

[solemn chasm]

public

[lethal phoenix]

@south jungleu too public?

@solemn chasm@south jungleilluvial what do you use to fight, ss please, because fighting in the public version is very difficult

[solemn chasm]

Gyro and gazothep if u have both you can build a team around them

[lethal phoenix]

what is gyro and gazothep

[solemn chasm]

dust ones

[grand pumice]

are trades offerable in this game? like p2p?

[solemn chasm]

I didn't understand, but if you asked how we did it, it was by giving each other gifts (I trusted him and sent it first, I don't recommend it xd) but in the end everything worked out fine

[grand pumice]

ah I see

[lethal phoenix]

what u mean enter battle with 12 illuvial, for me only can enter 8 illuvial max

[haughty scarab]

You're going against 12 Illuvials in stage 3 runs

[solemn chasm]

ur playing in the testnet version right? the normal one u battle against 8-12

[haughty scarab]

@sinful pivot are you wanting to do something with this like push it to a vote or something? Or was this just an idea? <@&814435151307866142> <@&1107754780744487002> can weigh in if they haven't already but most of this discussion is now trending towards just advice in #🎮〕illuvium-overworld channel

[lethal phoenix]

only 8 never 12

[lethal phoenix]

but for our max is 8 right?

[ripe nacelle]

I set a high price to try and they bought it, I hope they fix this
titanor - 525 eth

https://sandbox.illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/Pakalols

[dusty crater]

I'm such a pleb on testnet

[solemn chasm]

this guy is abusing the system, he's probably buying everything and not playing.
the question is, can we find a solution that punishes this type of person, without punishing people like me and others who made legitimate trades and purchases?

[ripe nacelle]

Cancel market purchases, there is no other option

[shell loom]

I agree here. When I saw trading on testnet was included it didn’t seem right to me. We should get this in a governance ideas thread. We’ll need 25 👍 and can get a proposal formed. @sinful pivot

[lethal phoenix]

remove trade airdrop points🫂

[ripe nacelle]

I sacrificed my titanor so they could see the immensity of this and the bots. now it's your turn to work haha

[dusty crater]

yeah it really ain't fair, all of us get 0.1 ETH to play daily and these guys are spending 500+ ETH on 1 illuvial purchase 🤣

[ripe nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-webs-gesture-lionel-messi-inter-miami-cf-major-league-soccer-spider-man-celebration-gif-17105779911215840156

[lethal phoenix]

respect bro

[jolly rock]

[dusty crater]

for the team it would be easier for sure. Just take a snapshot of the wallets and it's done. No need to make a script to filter specific addresses.

[jolly rock]

how about people who have been catching illuvials and trading them to complete the sets

[dusty crater]

trading is one thing, buying of the dex is another.

The one thing I fear is no one will buy if this is implemented and then how am I gonna get ETH 😬

[ripe nacelle]

within all the exchange is limited. On the other hand, those who mine sepolia can mine 30 eth per hour with 10 wallets. As the days go by, they will win the Airdrop.

[jolly rock]

dont u need github passport to mine the faucet? And the limit is 3 sepETH per wallet per IP address

[lethal phoenix]

can use another wallet

[jolly rock]

per day

[lethal phoenix]

this guys for example,maybe he do that too,use bot ,mine,multiple wallet

[jolly rock]

not sure u can do VPN tho let me try using 10 wallets

[sinful pivot]

We wanted to push this, just put a playing time thresold for each account.

[sinful pivot]

Thanks bro. hope we can make it happen

[haughty scarab]

Anyone can get more sepeth though

[dusty crater]

yeah that's true, I just don't like going to those faucet websites.

[ripe nacelle]

profit?

[ripe nacelle]

they already passed me, sadge

[dapper rune]

People really want titanor huh

[jolly rock]

oof 700

how is it if possible lol

[mighty topaz]

Lol was going to send the same thing

[sinful pivot]

its kinda hard to get that haha

[dapper rune]

Yeah but 735 eth is insane haha

[grand pumice]

"People won't sell their illuvials to seth whales"

[jolly rock]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-burgundy-escalated-quickly-gif-9744555

[south jungle]

Rly not good

[stoic rivet]

@sinful pivot if u want to get this set up as a formal IIP just shoot me a msg, will add u

[pine path]

Just need to find a way to not penalise those that legitimately caught t5 s3 and sold them to buy others they were missing. I’ve done this with 2 titanor and 2 adorius to go buy rhamphyre etc

Based on Illuviums updated airdrop terms

Otherwise I would have held them

[solemn chasm]

im in the same situation

[jolly rock]

i bought sepETH and bought few illuvials

it's not sustainable because it's gonna be too expensive. especially now when we have more time to farm. let's if prices go down with time

but the purchase i made really helps with farming other illuvials.
in a sense, it gives us and the team some insight on players behaviour

[wind pewter]

Maybe there could be a quick manual check of the top 10 or so and see if there is someone with very little game time but just baught T5S3s and decide if to exclude them

[south jungle]

A very smart suggestion. The top 10 will give a very good overview compared to other players who play 10-15 hours a day.

If they are way ahead of them then it really makes sense to exclude airdrop points from buying Illuvium on dex.

You just have to watch out for those who were selling in order to buy what is not there. I had a couple of such exchanges.

[frigid bluff]

Selling and buying on the market is a big aspect of Illuvium.

People should be able to grind sEth with ingame assets on the market, to buy the last missing piece(es) for their collection.

But yeah totally agree ppl that aren't even spending time ingame, shouldn't be able to claim big chunks of the airdrop.

We need to exlude those 100%, so why not this?

50% of each tier must be captured/fused to claim the full set point bonus.
If more than that are bought they'll only get the Illuviums all stages points.

Additionally have all airdrop claimers have at least 20h onchain proofable playtime.

That will reduce exploits drastically already and it's still fair conditions for the casuals and grinders

[ripe nacelle]

That's a good idea, but 20 hours seems too few to me. Minimum 100 hours.

[sinful pivot]

Take note that the Campaign is "Play to Airdrop" not mine to buy for Airdrop.

That's why Marketplace Trading volume should be separated from point system.

Missing piece on our illuvial list? What's the essence of "FUSING" if we don't play and level our illuvials and fuse it to get that missing piece of ours. We all knew that stage 1 illuvials are abundant.

[lethal phoenix]

hahaha 20 hour,peaople can afk and change place every 14 min

[frigid bluff]

Relax, some people have jobs, we can't grind 3 Tier5 S3s.
And I already adjusted my grind towards being able to buy at least 1 T5S3 on the market to complete my set. That'll safe me for sure 20h gameplay and I'll gladly take it.

[lethal phoenix]

true, this is play to aidrop ,not pay to airdrop

[lethal phoenix]

this game have feature fusing,for what fusing in game if we can buy

[frigid bluff]

this game have feature market, for what sell in market if we can not buy

[lethal phoenix]

market trading airdrop point good for mainet, not for testnet

[lethal phoenix]

if u think like this for what we play if can buy, gg😂

[frigid bluff]

I have actually no clue what you're saying sorry.

I left my opinion I'm out, have a nice day.

[lethal phoenix]

yeah good luck pay to airdrop 🫂

[sinful pivot]

I understand cos i have job too haha.

[waxen furnace]

total i played +80h, i don't have any stage 3 tier 5 MOB. but if you have bots and you have so much SETH, you are good better than me. bruhh

[jolly rock]

https://tenor.com/view/money-curtis-james-jackson-iii-50cent-counting-money-i-love-money-gif-18080614

[lethal phoenix]

@shell loomalready 34 👍 now

[shell loom]

Someone will need to submit this idea in the governance idea section. We need 25 upvotes there to bring to a council vote.

Since this message I have learned more of the reasoning and gathering data from the Illuvidex and to sort out any bugs in important for the testnet and without trading included that data may lack.

With that being said if the community wants to push this to council we can certainly do that. Get the 25 👍 in governance ideas first though.

[south jungle]

Really the first 10 addresses that have less than 100h, and are in the top 10, should be disqualified because their purchase on Illuviumdex can be checked very easily.

The others who traded sold 2-3 times in order to buy what they don't have or sell what they have a duplicate of, and in addition they have over 100h, that's called fair playing and grinding.

I have over 300h and I only managed to buy T5 S3 once for 120ETH. I collected that for a very long time.

[prisma canyon]

Really the first 10 addresses that have less than 100h, and are in the top 10, should be disqualified because their purchase on Illuviumdex can be checked very easily. - GOOD IDEA!

[severe wagon]

Yeah, lets benefit the actual players!!

[solemn chasm]

the airdrop is not based on the leaderboard but on your points, I think maybe it should be checked until the top 100, and we have almost 2 months to play, maybe 100 hours is not enough idk

[severe wagon]

Buying / trading should not count at all in my opinion.

[dusty crater]

Buying / trading should definitely count, but I agree there should be a minimum play time for the top players. So this is in fact a play to airdrop and not a buy to airdrop.

[atomic halo]

I myself sold T5 to complement the others, I hope this vote only takes effect after it, and what the player has earned will still be counted

[jolly rock]

disqualified people who followed the rules?

[dapper rune]

Or maybe a maximum you can get by trading. 5-10 illuvials max

[south jungle]

rules are there to be broken

[severe wagon]

So, if someone has 500 seth, and played 200 hrs they should be able to buy a bunch of sets on top of what they captured…?

I highly disagree, that just screws us all who hasnt been collecting / buying seth.

[south jungle]

How much money have you already given for sepETH?

[dapper rune]

They changed the rules before, we can change them again

[jolly rock]

yea we can, but it doesnt mean we need to disqualify them

[south jungle]

Give me your addres

[dusty crater]

there are no sets to be bought on the market, hello?

[severe wagon]

Hello, they can complete sets. And who knows how the market will look like before testnet ends

[jolly rock]

yea i almost complete T1 from buying them

[dusty crater]

trash

[severe wagon]

It feels kinda unfair in my opinion. I am grinding like hell, I just claim daily 0.1 eth and someone who has X amount of sepeth outperformances me because they are able to buy illuvials from the market

[dusty crater]

there's only 39x T4 S3 and 31x T5 S3 on the market

[severe wagon]

At this moment

[dusty crater]

the cheapest T5 S3 is selling for 200 ETH

[severe wagon]

And still gives a huge advantage to whom buys them

[dusty crater]

if someone is paying that amount and is playing what's the problem?

it would be unfair if there would be no other ways to get sETH besides the 0.1 daily given by illuvium

[severe wagon]

Well, I just said in my comments what is MY problem with it.
Maybe its just me..

[south jungle]

You didn't really understand our proposal very well. This is not about someone who has collected 500sep ETH but has played 200+ hours, e.g.

This is about people who don't play the game but mine sepETH and just send it to their wallet and thus buy everything there is on the market. That's what it's about.

The one who plays and collects ETH and has 500 coins, we do not say that he is a problem, nor are such players.

[jolly swan]

Hey guys, how about not allowing T5 S3 trading? Someone who is not lucky enough to find them could still buy S1 and S2, but has to grind it in order to get the S3.

[severe wagon]

I understood. I just do not think they should count bought illuvials. That is my opinion.
We can have different opinions

[solemn chasm]

It's your opinion because you didn't sell an illuvium to buy another because of the announce that would count xd

[south jungle]

However, I've been here since the beginning, I collected for example 500 sepETH playing over 300h.

What do you think is fair to me, what you are saying right now? My suggestion above is fair to both you and me.

[severe wagon]

Oh I sold one yesterday, to be able to buy more hyperion

[solemn chasm]

we all did that, but in addition we sold even more to buy what we didn't have

if they do it the way you want, I will have lost about 5 T5 S3 for nothing

[visual lynx]

Well just dont sell your illuvial lol

Seth is not like you can get it all for free. Its cost money too like 80$ for 1k seth

[solemn chasm]

as if we hadn't already done this, if they change now and say that from now on those who were purchased won't count, I'm happy

[dapper rune]

You got ripped off then because it's free fake money

[ripe nacelle]

For those people, 100 hours seems very little to me, if they have the ability to mine eth sepolia with many wallets they can easily hire someone to play for them. Here in Argentina or the Philippines you can play 12 hours quietly for 5 USD a day.

The best way to handle this is to exclude those wallets right now before they start adding up hours.

Those people will surely read this thread or at some point they will find out, the longer it takes to upload this problem, these people will look for a way to make everything they did look "legal"

[lethal phoenix]

100 hour for two month open beta test to less

[lethal phoenix]

agree,wtf 2 month only 100 hour elig

[lethal phoenix]

aggree 100% ,all will be finished if the purchase does not count towards points

[south jungle]

That was just an example, it could be more

[lethal phoenix]

😂 true

[lunar atlas]

Building on from the townhall and the team saying they want trading to occur to simulate an economy

If we just make tier 5 stage 3 illuvials bought on the dex not count. Everybody wins. Its completing the tier 5 lines that takes the most points away from people actually playing. Leaving all the other illuvials eligible so people are still actively trading and simulating an economy to complete their collection

[ripe nacelle]

That would be a great solution if for legendary stage 3 you have to fuse them or marry them.

[lunar atlas]

Yea or catch in overworld ofcourse

[ripe nacelle]

Without a doubt it is the best solution because we did not think about it before. Thank you very much for your input

[solemn chasm]

not everyone wins, and we've been talking about it in the chat for days that it will fk those who have already made sales/purchases because according to the announce it would count

[lunar atlas]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1248403352740560896

I've chucked up a proposal in governance ideas. Feel free to vote on it there and provide some feedback / your thoughts!

[grand pumice]

W

the counterarguments are so bad man nobody is even trying. those in charge focused on roadmap fulfillment and giving 0 mindshare to the campaign

[honest atlas]

What a great discussion everyone. So many valid points.
I wonder if it could be simplified, to leave to the teams discretion how they reward players who have paid high (unrealistic) amounts of Seth to reach air drop rewards?
I do believe it's important the game has the market place tested and I do see people, only spending and playing the market, without playing the game in the future.
I do assume they will be a minority though.
Every aspect of hard core player, trader, grinder, casual, collectors, players who play to sell all items or specific items, they will all be part of the economy.
Every aspect of testing is important.
I think the team should be able to identify those who are abusing the system, and act accordingly.

[summer pike]

I agree. Currently people with thousands of Testnet ETH are at a huge advantage and are able to purchase Tier 5 Illuvials, which nets them huge amounts of points without having to actively participate in the open beta.

[sinful pivot]

Me and @stoic rivet are working on this. gimme time since im farming too. I won't be able to write down all the details asap.

[grand pumice]

I'm just going to leave this here in order to hopefully move the conversation forward and avoid half-baked solutions. Here is a formulation I have discussed with a few people:

The focus ought to be on purchased T5 Stage 3s. To the highest extent, these circumvent necessary gameplay and allow sepETH whales to come in at any time and extract an unjustified amount of value from the campaign.

The proposed change:
-Purchased Tier 5 Stage 3s will forfeit the entire line bonus as well as the respective proportion (1/6) of the tier completion bonus.

This accomplishes the following:
-It avoids too heavily penalizing those who have 'swapped for completion', for example, by selling an Adorius and buying a Phosphorus, as they still retain the vast majority of their tier completion bonus and organically captured line bonuses.
-Thoroughly restrains every single potential sepETH whale that may slowly accumulate and fill their collections with a large quantity of purchased S3T5s throughout the campaign, evading the hundreds of hours of gameplay these activities require
-Ensures that authentic players are rewarded (especially those whose sets are 100% captured solo) in accordance with the spirit of the campaign, which is to playtest the game, not to rapidly accumulate testnet ethereum

[lethal phoenix]

welcome to pay to airdrop sir , rip play to airdrop 😂

lets make coffe buy and farm bot eth ,wait near open beta test end and buy set illuvial without play,yeah maybe need afk from now and change place every 14 min just in case there is a total hour rule in playing🐳 👀

[cinder hound]

I agree that something should be done against bots. Trading in the marketplace to complete what is left after you have played +100 hours is ok.. but not playing the game and just buying everything With infinite money in multiaccounts is a disrespect to those who are testing and hard working in the game.

[lethal phoenix]

this feedback already 59 👍 🫂 hope have good news

and 495 massage 😂

[waxen furnace]

i played +100 hours but i dont have any s3 t5 mob. rich SETH players played 1 hour and they are better than me

[lunar atlas]

We're at about that now for the post in governance ideas - what's the next steps from there?

[lament heath]

Didn't read all of it.
But whats the reason that those who set up multiple wallets to farm sETH and buy high Tier high Stage assets from the market don't use macro to also have max playtime?

[solemn chasm]

I was thinking about it, what if anyone who has more than 50% of their wallet purchased on the market is disqualified or idk some punishment (maybe 30%, I don't think that someone who is actually playing will have 30% of their wallet purchased)

[solemn chasm]

what do you guys think about this idea?

[grand pumice]

It is a very quick process to fill up most of one's collection with low tier illuvials

[solemn chasm]

the other tiers give almost no points, I think this could only be for T5 and maybe T4 too

[ripe nacelle]

play to market is good

[grand pumice]

hahahaha

[dapper rune]

wtf

who sells that low

[jolly rock]

lucky

[grand pumice]

So what exactly is the holdup for this thread #1248403352740560896 message
being acknowledged or addressed or clarified? How many weeks have to go by before we receive a clearly articulated policy?

[lunar atlas]

I think now that it's at 25 upvotes we need a council member to help form an iip for it. @shell loom are you able to help with this?

[neon orbit]

The one issue with that is that everything now requires Master Shards to catch and it is expensive to make them. I am selling Adors to pay for my shards. I play too much for .1 sETH a day.

I

[neon orbit]

I like this idea.

[shell loom]

Is there a draft written up?
I'd keep it as short and simple as possible.
Summary, outline, rationale.
I'd recommend looking at what Blickter had to say in that governance proposal channel.
Once drafted I can look it over and help tune it up for the best chance or passing.

[grand pumice]

P2P traded illuvials would obviously fall under the same penalty

[sinful pivot]

@stoic rivet and I are in touch about this matter. He will post it sooner once he's free.

[ripe nacelle]

By just removing the t5 s3 you already take away all the points from the eth whales.

[grand pumice]

That is the direction it seems like most of us want to go

OP is being very opaque about what he wants to suggest for whatever reason

[south jungle]

Nice! Is there a concrete proposal?

[tawdry oasis]

I believe that as long as others follow the rules, they should be granted the same rights during the announcement, whether it's trading, capturing, or purchasing. Now you think you are a common player on the test network and want to deprive others of the right to receive airdrops. This is very ridiculous. I have reason to suspect that after the mainnet launch, you will want to ban purchases for participating in PVP (the reason might be that you can't afford it yourself, isn't this very funny?). Since others can go mining, why don't you? Everyone is making their own contributions to this market.

[lethal phoenix]

trading can get airdrop points good for mainet, not good for testnet

[tawdry oasis]

I made the above statement not because I purchased some in the market; on the contrary, I have hardly bought any T5s in the market. I just find this kind of discussion sad. It's astonishing that some people think it is justified to cancel others' rights to receive airdrops.

Community voting governance is meant to ensure that things follow the correct process, not to protect the rights of certain individuals (such as those without testnet ETH). I believe that the right to vote should not be abused.

I have been following this project for three years. I truly hope that no one abuses certain community rules for selfish reasons. I wish for this to be a great game.

[lethal phoenix]

say people who have bought a lot of t5 stage 3👀

[jolly rock]

prices going down

[jolly rock]

thats the thing about being a DAO.
rest assured, all sentiments will be considered

and there are 2 layers of voting.
ICC and IMC
a majority of upvotes from the community does not guarantee the proposal to be passed

thats up to the IMC
and i believe they will consider whats best for the DAO

[grand pumice]

One of the most upvoted and perhaps the most replied to community thread and all of its opponents notably contribute zero substance to the conversation

Even though it's clear that action should be taken according to the previous suggestions, it is even more important that we receive official clarity after this kind of retroactive change

[jolly rock]

which change?

[grand pumice]

#1247210980518264863 message

[jolly rock]

how about people who genuinely farmed illuvials or ores, sold them and bought T5 S3?

what you want is to limit or stop the bridging of sep eth
and increase the daily claim

i just saw someone in OW chat who is using 100 emails to claim from faucet and buying lower tiers S3

the idea is good, but it could punish real players and moving the issue to lower tiers

[grand pumice]

None of those players would be capable of acquiring more than a small handful of t5s throughout the whole campaign, and even if they wanted to, this solution still leaves an incentive for their purchase.

Those who spam lower stage t5s still have to put in a massive amount of time to level them. It's not nearly as big of an issue. The purchase of stage 3 illuvials directly evades the gameplay portion.

I was against enabling the market in general. I agree that there are more abuses than what is being mentioned here. I'm just trying to reach some kind of amicable decision

[jolly rock]

we need to identify the root cause and fix that, not the result

the root cause is allowing people to bridge sep eth

[grand pumice]

The root cause is enabling a sepolia testnet market with a significant amount of implied USD value. I don't see anyone advocating for its total shutdown. The discussion needs to be more productive than this.

[jolly rock]

yea because people still need to bridge due to high hyperiod cost

and capture rate bugs

claiming 0.1 sep eth per day is just impossible

[grand pumice]

? Everyone is aware of faucets

[jolly rock]

no, i got people asking me on twitter. they never heard about it

thats why i tweeted it too
i want a level playing field

for me, this is a play-to-airdrop, not abuse-faucet-to-airdrop

[grand pumice]

An individual with 2000 sepeth can't instaclaim 50k points through buying hyperion

But under these conditons 'abuse-faucet-to-airdrop' is in full effect, so maybe we should move toward coherent solutions

[jolly rock]

wait a bit longer and we probably see more people selling more illuvials at lower prices.
you can sell your sep eth at the pool too
so it's already P2E

some people might want to speculate on airdrop like these top buyers, some people might want to sell illuvials for sep eth

so whats going on right now is not entirely bad

[grand pumice]

lol

[jolly rock]

thats just how P2A works, some grind to feed the whales
thats what happened in big time
whales spending $500/day just to stay on top

[tawdry oasis]

I completely agree with your view. We shouldn't restrict others' trading just because they have money. Testnet ETH also has value.

When others ask you why you are buying a large amount of testnet ETH, you can say, "I'm playing Illuvium." This is a form of indirect promotion and contributes to the ecosystem's value.

[jolly rock]

exactly

[tawdry oasis]

Compared to market trading, I am more worried about AFK (away-from-keyboard) points. I fear that many studios are exploiting AFK points to win a large number of airdrops. The 15-minute AFK detection is ineffective against studios.

[dapper rune]

Maybe they told us it's 15 min but it's actually 5 min👀

[jolly rock]

thats even worse than not telling people the 15 mins lol
that would be a lie

[tawdry oasis]

Regardless of the time interval, it is not a problem for studio operators.

[jolly rock]

the first rule of a P2A : dnt fck it up

[dapper rune]

Yeah oke

[jolly rock]

how to rent these studios

[tawdry oasis]

I think battle factors should be included. If an account only has AFK time without any battle time, then there is a high probability that there is a problem with this account.

[jolly rock]

ideally, it should only be in game action

like successful catch, level up, fusing, mining, harvesting, crafting

or if u want it to be simpler
fusing and crafting, thats all

[tawdry oasis]

Although the time spent exploring the map should be taken into account, you can't claim that you spent 200 hours running the map while the actual gameplay time is only 15 minutes. That's just ridiculous.

[jolly rock]

exactly

we already have point system in OW, but surprisingly the team didnt use that

[lethal phoenix]

@grand pumiceI agree💯

[lethal phoenix]

why doesn't he play and try to increase xp and fuse, this is play to airdrop so it looks like pay to airdrop

[lethal phoenix]

wow top buyer eth testnet, welcome to pay to airdrop 🤣

[subtle isle]

Changing and restricting airdrop points to only capturing and fusing right now is not a good idea imo.
It's not fair to other people who already sold some of their illuvials to use that sETH to purchase other one to complete a line/set.
What I think should be done (if possible) is to restrict sETH deposit and increasing the daily claim to 1 sETH so that there is a level playing field for everyone without killing the marketplace. It's good to have a functional marketplace for testnet before going mainnet.

[jolly rock]

because the P2A rule allows it

[lethal phoenix]

ahh i see so this is pay to airdrop right 🤣

[lethal phoenix]

not good only 1 eth 1 day,we need hyperion,crypton,we need play to up our xp hero

[lethal phoenix]

we need hyperion for up shard ,we need crypton for play and up our xp hero

[sinful pivot]

already posted in #1126838877429182506

It won't get approve as i can see it.

[lethal phoenix]

@sinful pivotyeah it's useless, they seem to be defending🤣

last massage from fizzo verry good,smart peaople 💯

[ripe nacelle]

Where do you see that?

[grand pumice]

in analytics

[ripe nacelle]

ty

[sinful pivot]

They're doing it thats why they're defending lol HAHAHA my eyes aching reading their replies.

[lethal phoenix]

that i mean 🤣 🤣 lol hahahahaha

@sinful pivotI know some people from them do it, I've read it for a long time, some of them reply with different replies from the others, and some of them are honest.

Turns out your thinking is the same as mine 😂

[sinful pivot]

should change the campaign title to "mine sepolia eth for airdrop" 😂

[grand pumice]

decent formulation from @lunar atlas #1248403352740560896 message

Seems like there is some consensus on this change

We also have a formulation from Cobs and Scoriox apparently #1249984464050720798 message

The idea of a separate points system seems a bit convoluted to me, especially because illuvials get fused.
I'm ambivalent when it comes to any minimum playtime, as long as it doesn't hinder the t5s3 change from moving forward.

I'm glad there is agreement on that particular issue!

[cinder hound]

Was this approved? What happens now that master shard are 10x the price they were before?

[dapper rune]

yeah the marketplace buyers are having a field day, competition of the grinding people has absolutely been destroyed now

[grand pumice]

Some pretty crazy changes have been made only two weeks into the campaign...

[kind pecan]

Such a thing is out of the question because we bought different illuvials by exchanging the illuvials we dug up from the ground. According to your logic, did we sell what we took out of the ground for nothing? Do you think the market is cheap? They can buy everything between tier1 and tier5 😄 You are crazy.

[lethal phoenix]

cheap for whale sepETH,top buyer 1k.2k.3k ++ eth 👀

[kind pecan]

My friend, we were told that the illuvials we purchased would be included in the airdrop, and since we knew this, we sold the illuvials we had in excess and bought the few we had instead. Will we get less points now because we bought it? It's a ridiculous thought.

[grand pumice]

Hi! This perspective appears to be rooted in a lack of understanding about the sepolia testnet

[lapis viper]

Everything is on the blockchain so they can just go by what was minted instead of what’s in the wallet…

[lethal phoenix]

that's right, we can see illuvial capture by who

[kind pecan]

You can't even answer this. @lethal phoenix

[lethal phoenix]

so what about this

Are you willing for people who have a lot of eth test net to take a lot of the airdrop too?? then why do you play if you can buy it@kind pecan

[kind pecan]

Are you going to violate the rights of thousands of people, including me, for 10 people? How will you pay for the things I sold because they were too much and bought another illuvial instead? Do you have a solution?

[lethal phoenix]

@kind pecanu think 4 k eth normal? 2k eth normal??? everyday i deposit eth only for shard,hyperion and crypton

[lethal phoenix]

that's why some top buyers should be investigated, not everyone, that's why this discussion exists

I even sold a lot of my T5 to get ETH and play and can buy more crypton and hyperion, but I know there are some mistakes in the rules so they have to be fixed

[kind pecan]

I made 200eth by just buying and selling without any mining and now I have 14 illuvial t5s3. I bought titanor 3 days ago for 180 eth and now its price is 630 eth

[lethal phoenix]

lets make sepETH to airdrop🤣

[kind pecan]

I can agree with what you say, but I don't think they will investigate this. 90% of the people supporting you right now are beginners who have just started the game and have nothing in their hands.

[kind pecan]

Can you earn sepETH? let's do it too? As I said, I easily increased my own eth balance by selling the excess illuvials I mined in the game and then buying the ones that worked for me. If you can't use your head, it's not our problem. Now shut up and play more.

[lethal phoenix]

if it doesn't change then I'm lucky, I've prepared a lot of stage 2 t5 with xp 40, I wait for the day nearing the end of the open beta testnet then I buy as many t5 s2 as possible and fuse them, 1k eth, 4k eth is easy, even I I've been preparing to mine Eth Sepolia since yesterday, anticipating nothing changes🐳 👀

[lethal phoenix]

wtf🤣

[kind pecan]

do it buddy. Rest assured, no one will care except paper hands 😄 Those who use their mind can do anything.

[lethal phoenix]

🤡 I'm waiting for the final day of the open beta testnet end if there are no changes

[kind pecan]

Dude, just do it, make sure you don't give a fuck about anyone 😄

[lethal phoenix]

buahahahah u think i cant farm sepETH? 🤣

[kind pecan]

you can? now shut up and do mining or trade 😄 you have brain problem. I ignore you bye

[lethal phoenix]

why shut up? I care about people who play honestly and who play 15-20 hours a day, I feel sorry for them, you look like someone who plays illuvium only 5 hours a day🤡

[kind pecan]

and I played 20h+ testnet version in open beta. and I exit game when I AFK. now stfu and dont tag me again.

[south jungle]

What date is this picture from?

[lethal phoenix]

verry less😂

#1249984464050720798 message @south jungle

[lethal phoenix]

👀

[kind pecan]

so you have 132h? I have 103+20 in open beta? I send open beta version not testnet. you are pathetic. And if you keep tagging me, my words to you will turn into an insult 😄 I'm not going to argue with a teenage boy about who plays more all day.

[south jungle]

I made only one purchase. I have been collecting that sepETH since the private beta.

Does it affect me? So I only bought one T5S3 Illuvium for 120sepETH

[lethal phoenix]

I don't know bro, there are no changes from dev, I'm waiting close to the day the open beta testnet ends

[south jungle]

I looked at the wallet of this biggest whale which has 52 T5S3.

So he bought all this with Illvuium dex?

[ripe nacelle]

https://sandbox.illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/3343

and this account? where did it come from

[lone thistle]

I make my money selling T5S3 with SepoliaETH fused to it. I did not bring it from outside. Don't put me with the whales.

[ripe nacelle]

I didn't know it was yours, since I saw a new top 1 account I shared it to see if they had more information

[haughty scarab]

You ser have a ton of hours

[lone thistle]

I've mastered leveling. That's the core of my strategy. But I can't collect t5s1 t5s2 anymore so it's over

[quasi vault]

Why can't you collect them anymore?

Because of master shards?

[lone thistle]

That's true, and the chances of finding a T5 have also decreased. And with fewer T5s on the market, the only ones you can buy are whales.

[quasi vault]

That is what killed my drive to play at all. Have to compete with people that made points when it was easier. It's harder for them now too, but they already got enough points

[jolly rock]

did u started in PB4 ?

[lone thistle]

Yes, but most of my playing time is OB.

[jolly rock]

wow u did most of that in 2 weeks? GG

ur def topping the leaderboard

[coarse lark]

how many hours do you play per day?

[coarse lark]

where do you see this?

[jolly rock]

yea a new whale

[frozen pewter]

is it possible for getting 7 set of t5 in just 2 weeks? i am bit curious

[jolly rock]

possible, if u grind and trade

[frozen pewter]

Did proposal will be accept for someone who buy t5 is ineligible??

[jolly rock]

can u rephrase?

[frozen pewter]

Are u okay if someone just bought all of T5 lines for getting airdrop?

[jolly rock]

if using bridged sep eth, no

[frozen pewter]

What if u can buy that T5 and eligible for airdrop, but u need to playing for most of time. do u think that's fair?

[jolly rock]

P2A is play-to-airdrop
i prefer rewarding "play" not trading

[frozen pewter]

But the marketplace is that something that exist from the beginning, so that's inevitable

[jolly rock]

u reward yourself with profit if u trade

depends ru doing a marketplace airdrop like blur?
or ru doing a P2A of a game

[frozen pewter]

That's right. I am neutral, so i think the team needs to make this clear. I think reduce illuvial point that anyone buy from market is good. It can't affecting into the p2a system.

[jolly rock]

i reckon thats too complicated.
right now its just a simple snapshot

[frozen pewter]

so what's the win win solution?

[jolly rock]

its too late imo

[frozen pewter]

No its not

Make the requirement minimum hours of playing. It can be easier to track than a dive into blockchain

[jolly rock]

how long is the minimum would u think

[frozen pewter]

If we're going from 28 May into end of june so its Gona be 32 days. Imagine someone could play for 5-7 hours per day. I know it can be less but we talk about requirement for T5 so i think 5-7 hours per day it's good. And we can multiple it like a 20-25 (days). For example 5*25 = 125 hours.
But if the Testnet going till 25 July just do 125 * 2

100-125 hours if end on June
200-225 hours if end on July

[dapper rune]

I think most people have work too so 5-7h a day is insane

[frozen pewter]

I know but this is against someone who just buy T5 and want an Airdrop. And i think this requirement only happened if someone buy 3-4 lines of T5 with sepeth

[dapper rune]

Yeah oke so if you have x amount of points you also need x amount of time. That seems fair

[jolly rock]

if you want something like this, it should be announced before we start or asap

how can we expect people (esp. with job and kids) to catch up with 200 hours

they didnt break any rules, the announcement clearly said "or purchased"

[frozen pewter]

Yea i know that. I also neutral on this case. But there is someone who want a fairness on this p2a.

[jolly rock]

i think we are beyond that
imo any more changes will only do harm

ive checked some of the top buyers, they do play the game
i am still waiting their play time data from team

[dapper rune]

It actually didn't at the start, they changed it in hindsight. But yeah changing it now to that extend would be harsh

[sinful pivot]

50-75 hrs requirement is fine for me. those who disagree are the abusers base on what i can see. imo.

[jolly rock]

[restive gale]

I have a suggestion regarding the problem of people who have only bought and not hunted Illuvials. For the Catch Them All event it should be valid since it was established before the event, but due to the abuse of the faucet and multiwallet the additional points for catching more than 1 line of a certain Tier this should only apply to those caught. Since this is what the game and the event are about.

[lethal phoenix]

verry less,open beta test until July 25, and 75 hours of play in my opinion is very little 🫂

it's the same as only needing 2 hours of playing a day

[sinful pivot]

I'm being considerate with this matter. since a lot of people are working and doing errands daily. 1-2hrs daily x 32 days (if end of june) that would be 32-64hrs so 50hrs still considerable.

[lethal phoenix]

welcome to trading to airdrop, this is the first time I have seen the market enter the airdrop point and what's worse is using eth testnet

[sinful pivot]

This is my first "Play-to-Airdrop" Campaign too that they included points for trading in marketplace. yeah its a part of the ecosystem but should be aware of abuse.

[lethal phoenix]

For top buyers, I don't think it's suitable if it's only 75 hours, they have a lot of lines

[lethal phoenix]

At the beginning it still looked normal, then there was an update including trading entry points, that's what made it chaotic, if yes trading is entered, then it's better to have a separate airdrop, I even read in the general chat that a new player arrived 3.4 days ago already was able to get some t5 lines from buying,whether he was lying or being honest I don't know but it was disappointing

[jolly rock]

im guessing they saw the inflation and need to curb it

Illuvials were getting cheaper before the patch

[grand pumice]

it doesnt matter for this campaign though...
plus they were stable at 2eth for the commons

[jolly rock]

you dnt want inflation tbh

[grand pumice]

Takes a nice weight off my shoulders tbh. don't have to go hard for the full duration of the botched campaign since stage 1s are ~6x harder to acquire now. god bless

[south jungle]

Pay to win AIRDROP. Ty DAO team 🙂

[jolly rock]

whos that

[south jungle]

does it matter

[grand pumice]

Is that not_complain

He buys and plays 20hrs/day so it makes sense why he wants to rug newer players
I respect it

[frozen pewter]

Is it samurai?

[south jungle]

hahahha

It's a character that has 450k points. His wallet is posted here in the doc sheet

[sinful pivot]

so he's not playing then?

[jolly rock]

if its samurai, he plays a lot

[sinful pivot]

It's a good thing. but if that person doesn't even have playing time much. its fcked up.

[south jungle]

who is samurai? player?

[ripe nacelle]

kekw

[jolly rock]

lol 3343

[south jungle]

Transferring money to another wallet without a deposit (cheating)

[ripe nacelle]

What we call money laundering in Latin America, here is illuvial laundering.

[sinful pivot]

how many sep eth that guy is holding?

[topaz ferry]

they should do it I support this

[sinful pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1249984464050720798

hit a like if you vote yes

[lethal phoenix]

@sinful pivotUsseles bro, the team is not responding enough, even if there is a vote maybe they will reject it, I'm fed up with the team, it's better to look for another airdrop game, something clearer, too many changes are controversial and detrimental hahaha,see u in another game cobs 🫂

[sinful pivot]

Lets just claim our AD in NYAN in 3days and celebrate 😄

[lethal phoenix]

damn u play nyan too?? 🤣

[lethal phoenix]

letsgooo hahaha easy money 500$ 😂

[sinful pivot]

hell yeah. ez money haha

[lethal phoenix]

time is not wasted🤣

[jolly rock]

dont give up guys

[zealous crescent]

i'm tired boss

[jolly rock]

ur almost there

[sinful pivot]

Looks like no one care about community concerns?

[jolly rock]

we really do care

[kind pecan]

After seeing so many cheaters, I guess I decided to agree with you. 😄 @lethal phoenix

Cheating should be prevented,, illuvials caught by cheaters should be completely deleted from the game (even if sold) and purchased illuvials should be removed from the airdrop.

[fast rain]

What is the cheat about? Is there something proven to be a cheat right now?

[dusty crater]

#🎮〕illuvium-overworld message

[fast rain]

So it’s basically teleporting through the map? For the testnet phase with airdrops it’s definitely an unfair advantage to have. On mainnet those cheaters still need to pay fuel and basically generate revenue for the DAO. That’s pretty much the only thing against cheaters.

[dusty crater]

it's also a big problem for mainnet since it affects the illuvial's bonding curve.

[fast rain]

Depends on how much they’re willing to spend on fuel still I guess

[dusty crater]

they'll spend as long as the runs are profitable

[fast rain]

All depending on the demand I guess

[dusty crater]

yes obviously, but are you saying there won't be demand?

reminder, we have an even bigger airdrop coming up with mainnet launch.

[lethal phoenix]

I told you, you only now realize it😂

[lethal phoenix]

yeah when the mainet started, and cheaters could easily find high tiers with teleport, then they sold them on illuvidex and boommm the price was destroyed

[quasi vault]

Yes but they will basically drive down prices for people looking to grind + sell

[south jungle]

Still playing this game?

[lethal phoenix]

yeah waiting bloodloop 21 june😂

[jolly rock]

almost forgot about bls

[lethal phoenix]

ooo I reminded you🫂 🤣

[sinful pivot]

lets go!

[lethal phoenix]

yeah bro 😂