#Make Zero essential to the Illuvium ecosystem(again)

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ruby laurel
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There has been a lot of discussion lately about the current situation of Illuvium Zero, which has created a division and forcing people to pick between being on the landowners side, or the ILV holders. This is terrible and shouldn't happen, and it doesn't have to.

Now I'm not writing this to convince anyone to pick either side. This is mostly a thread to solve this division from its roots, so it never has to happen again. The one and only reason this discussion is taking place is because Zero is not essential to the ecosystem, and the explanation is rather simple;

  • Zero needs Overworld to function and it benefits from its success
  • Zero needs Arena to function and it benefits from its success
  • Arena needs Overworld to function and it benefits from its success
  • Overworld needs Arena to function and it benefits from its success

BUT

  • Arena does NOT need Zero to function and does NOT it benefit from its success
  • Overwrold does NOT need Zero to function and does NOT it benefit from its success

Now we know this was not the case before IIP39, which states that the DAO can now print infinite amount of fuel despite what Zero produces. The fact that Zero was the only place were fuel could be produced was the main link between Zero and the rest of the games, and this is what kept balance. Because if we have the whole ecosystem dependent of each other then decisions will be made for the greater good, always.

That's the problem. The solution is to make Overworld and Arena, if not dependent, at least benefit from IZ success. That way we can all stick together for a greater ecosystem. I leave the details on how to make that possible, simplest way is clearly reverse iip39, but there are surely other possible ways to solve this.

Not airdrops, not speedups, not delaying launch, not reducing the amount of plots from 100k to 20k, but a proper place in the ecosystem, where it belongs.

somber anchor
thorn canyon
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  • " IIP39, which states that the DAO can now print infinite amount of fuel despite what Zero produces."
    This is only true while there is a top rail-guard. And this is something that isn't supposed to be permanent. IZ is essential to OW contrary to what you said. Just not now in the beginning. And the DAO only sells fuel at the top rail-guard if no landowner sells fuel below it.

Regarding Arena needing IZ that one I think it's harder, but maybe not impossible with the morphopods idea for the gauntlet as Aaron mentioned in the Town Hall.

ruby laurel
thorn canyon
ruby laurel
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regarding arena well, if zero is essential to OW and OW to arena then thats it

thorn canyon
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IZ is the economic bedrock of the entire gaming ecosystem

ruby laurel
thorn canyon
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What I'm worried is that since there will be no landowners producing fuel all fuel will be sold at the top rail-guard price. This will mean one of two things. Either everyone will pay a lot to travel since the rail-guard is high. Or the rail-guard has a low % range and will be bad in the future for free market behavior.

ruby laurel
thorn canyon
ruby laurel
# thorn canyon why do you disagree?

because the proof is right there, Ow and Arena launching without Zero. Thus Zero not essential. We can talk about theories od this and that all day but it has been put to practice and that is the result. How can you believe Zero is essential?

thorn canyon
thorn canyon
ruby laurel
ruby laurel
thorn canyon
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That's short sighted and I'll leave it at that.

ruby laurel
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i don't need to be able to see that far away when the answer is right in front of me

thorn canyon
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This is my last comment, the exception doesn't make the rule. Peace brother.

scenic iris
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Maybe a good metaphor is... Sure we can exist without certain organs. Is that ideal for overall health? No. But in this case existence is priority until that organ is ready to integrate into the system... So while existence is possible without zero it will suffer temendously. So it's in everyone's best interest to get it live asap for a holistic balance.

ruby laurel
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I might of course be wrong but I fail to see how Zero is useful and not just sucking 5% of the revenue

scenic iris
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Ummmm... Landowners will provide fuel to the ecosystm at a discount from upper rail price. Land was the reason many got into the project. You'll craft skins through zero. Further utility for zero is being brainstormed now. It's clearly integral to the system.

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I thought about removing the dao as fuel producers but that has its own risks...

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Maybe it was a lot to make 3 different games simultaneously... but fuck it. here we are and I like zero... plan to play the fuck out of it. Idk if I'd stay here if there was no zero

ruby laurel
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That much is true and I believe it's the reason from which OW and arena benefit from zero. Which is a big deal but I think it's not enough and that's why I proposed this thread of ideas. We went from creating all fuel to only being able to offer it at a discount, that's a step back and I think a step forward would be fair

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Not talking about anything huge, just one o a couple of thing which can make overworld and arena dependant or benefit from zero to even out the scale

toxic tangle
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the only real concern for me is that illuvium zero remains forever with its guardrail system + 1/19 my dream is a free market with a real impact when I sell my fuel I don't want the dao to take 99% of my fuel ...

ruby laurel
toxic tangle
ruby laurel
toxic tangle
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we have zero impact in the system

ruby laurel
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the only impact we have right now is being able to sell fuel below the top guardrail to the benefit of the people playing overworld and arena

toxic tangle