Palworld and what the devs can take note of for Overworld.

[dusk peak]

My fellow illuvium peeps.

I wanna beg the devs to quickly take notes of what works in Palword and apply it To Overworld.
The formula already works, there is no need to experiment.

My suggestions:

1. Make overworld gameplay real time action creature capture ( We literally have guns already in the game. We are half way there. Pls!)

2. Get rid of the TFT gameplay and save it for Arena. (Honestly the TFT in overworld kills the momentum excitement in the game. You should be able to craft, go attack, and capture! Given that players are already paying to get in the worlds.)

3. Make the Illuvials roam around, run or attack once they see the ranger. (In general add behavior to make them more alive)

4. Make the illuvials parts of your kit once captured. ( They should be able to help you hunting, transportation, mining and obviously depends on the Illuvial you captured)

5. Make it that players can take 5 or 6 Illuvials with them during adventure and can summon one depending on the task you need done. (Weather it's attacking or mining or transport or flying or whatever)

6. Make Santamesa your base where you can see all of your captured illuvials walking around. (This will make for an amazing screenshots fest. Trust me this is free promotion)

7. The catching animation should snappy and satisfying at least close to Palworld.
   Thank you for reading. Comment bellow if you have something more.

[warm sage]

The team is already working on many of these features.

[pseudo wren]

I would hate to see the autobattle/TFT gameplay removed from OW. It's one of the main things that adds a layer of strategy and planning when going for illuvial runs.
While i agree (and as said above the team is already working on) OW being more 'alive' Illuvium should remain it's own game and the TFT gameplay as you call it is one of the unique things we have in the OW loop.
Going all-in towards the action/point and shoot style of game wouldn't suit Illuvium's complexity, lore (i assume) and deep connection that the team is trying to implement between the Ranger (you) and what you aim to become in this (ultimately) vast universe.

[stable folio]

my idea , in autobattle ,you have opportunity to capture holo illuvials.and on the land of openworld , you can capture the normal illuvials

[royal patrol]

• Make overworld gameplay real time action creature capture ( We literally have guns already in the game. We are half way there. Pls!)

Public Beta 2 featured Illuvial Wakes
Open Beta will feature Illuvial Hunting (Illuvials in the Overworld)
Post Open Beta will likely feature real-time combat.

• Get rid of the TFT gameplay and save it for Arena. (Honestly the TFT in overworld kills the momentum excitement in the game. You should be able to craft, go attack, and capture! Given that players are already paying to get in the worlds.)

This was always intended to be a stop-gap.

• Make the Illuvials roam around, run or attack once they see the ranger. (In general add behavior to make them more alive)

Work in progress

• Make the illuvials parts of your kit once captured. ( They should be able to help you hunting, transportation, mining and obviously depends on the Illuvial you captured)

Could be an interesting inclusion post open beta.

• Make it that players can take 5 or 6 Illuvials with them during adventure and can summon one depending on the task you need done. (Weather it's attacking or mining or transport or flying or whatever)

Could be an interesting inclusion post open beta.

• Make Santamesa your base where you can see all of your captured illuvials walking around. (This will make for an amazing screenshots fest. Trust me this is free promotion.

Yeah I certainly like this, that and something closer to the Destiny 2 Player Hub (X number of players and NPCs you can interact with before going out into the world for X Y Z thing.)

[dusk peak]

Yeah the reason why I don't like TFT in overworld it's because it kills the momentum of high. Players should be able to go to the next and each moment should be action filled. This is like going to the next card which is what the overwolrd was meant to achieve, like opening a booster pack. It's not about lore it's about what works and formula is already tested and working. We can still have Tft but just leave it for Arena.

[dusk peak]

Awesome! 🔥 🔥 🔥

[dusk peak]

My #6 suggestion is what I really Love. Like bro... I wanna pose with my Illuvials and show it of and just chill by the end of the day crafting the materials I got in the adventure.

[royal patrol]

Yeah, I'm most excited about deep progression systems in Overworld.

I want to level an insane team and take them into Leviathan, similar to Pokemon whereby the player would be running six level 100s

[vague valley]

Could not agree more to get rid of the arena style game mode capture, for overworld. Should have been something unique from the get go, I think people let it slide because it makes relative sense given how arena is set up, but it really doesn’t play well for an open world style game to put such a hard stop to the gameplay to switch it into the very slow paced and strategic battle board part. Idk, maybe use the augments as powerups and items you can add to your illuvial before it does a 1v1 battle with the one you’re trying to capture or something

[pseudo creek]

All great ideas. Love them ❤

[dusk peak]

Yes!

[dusk peak]

Thank you! Hope illuvium team pick this up. 🙏 💖

[pseudo creek]

I hope that too!

[sonic pulsar]

id really love to remove auto battler from ow. imo OW and auto battler are two different target markets

OW pve
arena pvp
keem them separate

[unkempt wagon]

Contrary to the majority I like the auto battler in the OW. Reminds me of all the JRPGs I've played. Hope in the future there can be both modes like Aaron mentioned.

[dusk peak]

Yeah the TFT gameplay is a really momentum high killer. The fun should be spontaneous , ready to move on to another illuvial to catch, we are like opening deck of cards here, which was the original intention.

[dusk peak]

Tft is nice but we have to adapt to what works, no neeed to experiment here and spend years. I think TFT will do well on Arena as a separate gameplay. Battling with your illuvials realtime then catching Illuvial is much more interesting game play. Keep the players up for the next battle and catch.

[unkempt wagon]

I know your PoV comes from Palworld and I'll just say my opinion. Palworld is sh1t, it might have some fun mechanics, but that's all, and the numbers show that. From the 2M all-time peak players right now they only have half a million concurrent players. It's basically a first person shooter survival game and doesn't even come close to illuvium. Real time action it's higher pace indeed but it involves much less strategy compared to the auto battler.
To me what makes the most sense and since illuvium is an inter-operable game is to merge all the different games as much as we can.

[tacit peak]

"Make it that players can take 5 or 6 Illuvials with them during adventure and can summon one depending on the task you need done. (Weather it's attacking or mining or transport or flying or whatever)". I like where you are going with this. My adaptation to it maybe to train them so that as you enter an area the mining illuvial can be sent to search and target the deposits and once identified your drone can head over to help recover the deposits. As you move to each stage of Illuvial they could cover a greater area of the map or be used more times. Once their task is completed they will return to where they are stored to recharge or something.

[unkempt wagon]

its 850k now it was 500k when I checked

[sonic pulsar]

game preference is subjective, our community is well diversed. ill just go by the numbers.

and see what works

[unkempt wagon]

well it was that game preference that attracted me to illuvium, that's why I said at least have both modes and keep the auto battler has a legacy mode

Aaron said so in his latest interview

and besides it's gonna take a while until they turn Overworld into a real time action game

[sonic pulsar]

it's just weird to have that option, and by now the numbers have proved that what the team hoped/wanted is not always good

[unkempt wagon]

tell me @sonic pulsar will you play palworld once you capture all pals?

[unkempt wagon]

what numbers?

[sonic pulsar]

im not planning to catch all, i stopped plahing and rn im playing mavia. tomorrow shrapnel

[unkempt wagon]

exactly... palworld numbers will continue declining. The hype is fading now

[sonic pulsar]

our epic store numbers

[unkempt wagon]

oh right... Don't you need a private key to play Overworld? 🤔

[sonic pulsar]

talking about how our auto battler

[unkempt wagon]

the auto battler is not friendly to new users AT ALL

no tutorial and high learning curve. Not to mention zero attachment to illuvials since you have all for free at zero cost

your telling me tft hasn't a playerbase good enough?

[sonic pulsar]

imo not just that, generally auto battler is less popular. maybe thats why team is pivoting the ow

[unkempt wagon]

OW is the main game... Come on...

[sonic pulsar]

compared to other games?

[unkempt wagon]

yes compared ofc, it's less but there is still a decent player base

and tft ain't auto-chess but a battle royal

[sonic pulsar]

maybe if arena is more like TFT we might have a better numbers

[unkempt wagon]

the numbers will come and it's not from the arena... Players will play the arena because they get hooked in the Overworld

[dusk peak]

That's the thing, we are talking about overworld here. Once all Illuvials are captured, web 3 players will keep on capturing. 😎

[stable folio]

if kieran say you can capture the holo illuvatar in the TFT for free，i think you will say it's so interesting mode .

[dusk peak]

Nah. For sure cuz it's an expensive find, but It will be more interesting to fight it in action combat with your best illuvial by your side. And If you capture it you can have it follow you around to hunt other illuvial. Now that is kick ass!

[zinc marlin]

imo palworld for illuvium it's a gift, without a good game developed people have shown a very high interest, and illuvium must be able to exploit this dynamic, there are already weapons, illuvials and a world that are on another level. I agree with filow ow must be the main game and modes must revolve around it, than each player can decide what mode to play

[sonic pulsar]

yes palworld and heroes of mavia are gifts for us to pivot

[dusk peak]

I see Palworld as gold mine of notes for Overworld

[warm sage]

mavia is a totally different genre

[dusk peak]

I think he means. If someone will create game like mavia out of the Illuvium IP.

[sonic pulsar]

IZ

[unkempt wagon]

I predict within 3 months palworld is out of the top 3 Steam games

ez

[sonic pulsar]

see how the top numbers move together

i wonder whats the DAU of TFT

all i found is peak viewers

[unkempt wagon]

TFT players come from LoL game

Lol has around 10 mil average monthly players
if we say 1 out 10 or 1 out of 20 plays TFT that gives us 500k-1mil

[unkempt wagon]

looking at viewers for TFT is a bad metric cause no one watches, the game is not entertaining to watch. Ppl only do so to learn the best comps

[sonic pulsar]

big difference between concurrent players, DAU and MAU

[dusk peak]

Yeah but imagine if this was a web 3 people will be catching creatures for as long as the game is online. 🤣

[unkempt wagon]

I know but I don't know the numbers for LoL

[dusk peak]

Imagine if Illuvium was this addicting and added incentive with hunting a very expensive find. You will see people playing beyond normal times. This would dwarf axie at its peak. I know because I was there playing grinding axie.

[unkempt wagon]

yes I agree it will be nuts. I know for sure I'll be grinding hard the first year to catch as many set 1 illuvials as I can

[dusk peak]

That is why I see Palworld and I wonder what if this was Illuvium. Web3 players that had been sleeping since axie down fall will go beserk over this game.

[unkempt wagon]

illuvium will far surpass Palworld even with the auto battler in the Overworld. This is just my take. But I don't see enough depth in Palworld.

[sonic pulsar]

surpass 2m peak concurrent players?

[unkempt wagon]

yep

just look at axie infinity

we just need to start the hype train

[unkempt wagon]

just checked axie did 2.8 mil peak DAU
don't tell me illuvium won't beat that with the game we have going

[sonic pulsar]

no

few things:

• axie was a very simple mobile pyramid scheme that was played by third world countries
• there was almost no competition back then

[unkempt wagon]

yes that's true, but I'm not saying illuvium will have that DAU from the start

axie fought a downhill battle, we're going uphill.
this time it will take longer to reach those numbers cause the nft's general feeling is under the gutter

which I actually like, mobile arena will only come in 2025 and by then i'll have already captured as many set 1 illuvials as I can to sell to the normies

[sonic pulsar]

my high end pc is struggling to play arena, idk how good iphone is gonna be in 2025

optimization need time

porting need time
time that we should use to develop OW

[unkempt wagon]

graphics don't need to be maxed out you now

you can make arena low poly and make it pretty light

[sonic pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/lara-croft-tomb-raider-angry-gif-13282398

[unkempt wagon]

if palworld showed something is that graphics don't matter that much

just give the 3rd world contries the chance to catch illuvials and sell them for profit and they will play with tomb raider graphics

[sonic pulsar]

web3 will always be P2E

[unkempt wagon]

as it should be. Doesn't mean the game isn't fun and addicting though

[zinc marlin]

Have you seen the Palworld fights? They are too beautiful, while the monsters fight with your character you can do so many things, I think the mode of capturing the illuvials must be the same when you enter the dimension and not the autobattler to capture. I don't know how much time it takes for devs to work though

[unkempt wagon]

I have and I don't like them. You summon one pal to auto attack the enemy and you just shoot it with your gun.

[zinc marlin]

That game is still in its infancy, they're going to add improvements, but the gift is that the market tells you that people are freaking out about this game, and Illuvium is 100 times better

But they are two very different games still, even though they have several things in common: the aim of the game and the mechanics are different

I tried to show Illuvium to some friends and they didn't like it, but they're playing Palworld, I think that's how it is on big numbers

[unkempt wagon]

wait until illuvium releases its open beta then we'll talk again

[zinc marlin]

I agree Illuvium will do great numbers

If they take advantage of this mechanic even just to catch illuvials it will do even better because it attracts a lot of web 2.0

[sonic pulsar]

just do web3 palworld and we're good

[main spoke]

What do you mean pivot? It was always planned, PvP was first priority to have a game to play. The community asked/begged for it.

[main spoke]

Saying pivot, is misinformation Jag.

[main spoke]

I wouldn't mind an iz variant with similar game play. I imagine illuvium labs would do something fn brilliant with it.

[dusk peak]

The auto battler really kills the momentum of high. After I caught one in the Tft mode I just want to sleep. The game should be fun before the incentives.

[stable folio]

don't think auto battle kill the momentum ,it's a relax mode

[pseudo wren]

I stand by my initial comment also. I see the autobattler phase as a unique mechanic in the capture loop and it adds also a layer of strategy to the game. It can also be viewed - especially in lower tier/early battles - as an onboarding tool for players that don't think they will play arena or simply don't know about it. Maybe players coming for OW will be attracted by the style of the autobattler and with small battles in the OW they will learn the basics and in no time they might go into Arena also.
I really don't see why it should be entirely removed. We could have like 2 modes - a fast paced one for people that just enjoy capturing/hunting(no autobattle phase) and a 2nd one as we have it at the moment. Leave the choice to the player

[dusk peak]

The relax part is what kills it. 🤣

[main spoke]

I don't feel like I need to sleep lol. It's a lot harder to catch them now and you still have to use your mind to win.
I definitely want to see it in an open environment though. There will be other games so I don't think the battle board in arena is super important, like Nick mentioned, it's a place holder.
I'm leaning towards a top down turn based mechanic. When you enter a fight it cuts to a bigger 'real life' like final fantasy vii or a world boss rpg type battle.
I can see that being very entertaining.
The load screen from the wake to the battle is way too long, It should definitely be instant. Or seemingly instant. That would be a minor improvement for the next iteration before or after OB.

Palworld may not have lasting traction so I think it's important to only take a little from it.
I think it would of been like a stab in the stomach to grant and others that have been working in the overworld that people don't care so much.
Yet saying that, if genshin impact was janky like palworld I doubt people would play it for as long as they do. The combination of good gameplay and graphics is a double whammy.
They have the assets now so let's see.

[sonic pulsar]

pivot is good, means the team listen to the community and adapting to what the market wants

[main spoke]

It's the context you put it in.
Suggesting what's happening hasn't been thought of until now.
Roaming was a thing for ages, I even think it's in the 20 year vision of Keirans. A clash of type game has also been flagged. By community members in the past and the team has responded already that it was something that would keep on the table.

[sonic pulsar]

anyone can say they have thought of a million of things and have planned for everything.
doesnt mean they started/prioritizing these stuff

[main spoke]

So the pivot is priority not the concept.
Not waiting for everything to be not 'dog shit' , and the fact people have an appetite for creature collection. Is really all I see palworld has given.

[stable folio]

different people prefer different thing , we expect various gameplay

[regal pilot]

I think not everyone will enjoy action combat, some may find it hard or prefer the auto battler. They have the old orb+autobattlers build done. I think a legacy mode would be good. Choice is never a bad thing.

[main spoke]

Agree with you here. The fact illuvium can make a few or multiple different genres from the one IP really sets them apart.

[sonic pulsar]

pivot in priorities and focus more on web3 market.
see kieran's tweet about launch airdrop, thats mavia's

pivot is good
adapt to what the market wants

[thorny cradle]

a good game 😛

[zinc marlin]

You could use the Palworld mechanic just to catch an illuvials, and after you shoot the orb you capture the monster that way, then the arena mode and all the others remain unchanged

The gameplay of OW and everything else remains unchanged if you do this mode only when you try to catch an illuvials it asks for fewer hours of development and work, do you think it is possible?

[main spoke]

I totally agree with the pivot back to web3. Not because of the game, just that web2 still has a bad taste about crypto.
That will take time to change.

[main spoke]

That's not what you were talking about before though.

[gaunt parcel]

Web3 is all about play2earn which isn't a given in illuvium. Could End up pretty Bad if Illuvium focuses on web3 audience

[main spoke]

I mean for the beginning. Not everyone in web3 is a Degen.

We should talk about this elsewhere it's taking away from the topic.

[gaunt parcel]

Not talking about degens.
But people in web3 just play the games to earn some Dollars for their time ingame. That's why all Games give them something... they know it.

[main spoke]

They have to find an audience somewhere, what's your point.

[gaunt parcel]

My point is you shouldn't focus on web3 audience if you haven't set up your economy for said aufience. No point in doing that... wasted time and wasted Marketing money.

[main spoke]

Okay then.

[hidden cliff]

I like the idea of chasing the illuvial as the wake slowly closes behind the illuvial. You as the ranger have to shoot the illuvial to slow them from jumping into the wake too soon and loosing your chance to capture.
Future updates could have you battle the illuvial after jumping into the wake. They could reuse the arena maps as a battle arena for you and the illuvial to battle.

[sonic pulsar]

it is now

[gaunt parcel]

Is it?

[sonic pulsar]

yup

[gaunt parcel]

I play overworld and zero and earn shit 🙃

[sonic pulsar]

johnny's and tarren's

[sonic pulsar]

they call it play-to-airdrop tho

[gaunt parcel]

Don't know anything about that... Besides it should be the biggest in gamefi ever existed

[sonic pulsar]

in zero chat, johnny mentioned giving T0 players ways to earn

tarren in the download vid called it play-to-airdrop.
so yea we pivoted

[gaunt parcel]

It was a Brainstorming for making Zero worthwhile playing, because Fun factor is lacking

[gaunt parcel]

Download?

[sonic pulsar]

it's not

[gaunt parcel]

Well i'm not in council, can just Tell what happens in community 🤷🏻

[sonic pulsar]

yea me too, i watched "the download". scoriox, tarren and sam

they talked about how airdrop is the trend. which is obv play to earn

[gaunt parcel]

Ah the scoriox series?
But that's just assumptions in there, nothing official, right?

[sonic pulsar]

sure....

[wary shuttle]

Yeah that makes me extremely worried 🙂

[sonic pulsar]

why

its good, ive always believe web3 need to be p2e

[wary shuttle]

The spirit behind blockchain technologies inception was giving power back to the people. Web3 gaming gives power to the players by allowing them to own their own assets and more importantly using the blockchain to keep the game devs accountable. Play 2 Earn makes it all about the money when that's not the point and why web2 hates crypto games. Mass adoption doesn't mean you can't money but it does mean prioritizing ownership over investing.

[sonic pulsar]

degens dnt care about the tech, we just want to make money

[wary shuttle]

The whole point I am here is because Illuvium's mission has always been to bring web3 gaming main stream

[sonic pulsar]

sounds good, doesnt work

[wary shuttle]

Well it was nice knowing you guys then lol

[sonic pulsar]

dnt leave

[wary shuttle]

Im mostly joking because you're obviously wrong and I know that's still the mission

[unkempt wagon]

this will happen when BTC is above 100k
mainstream always comes late to the party

[wary shuttle]

I know I'm speaking from the perspective of what Illuvium is trying to acheive. Either being comfortable existing solely in web3 or attempting to bring web3 gaming main stream.

[unkempt wagon]

web2 will come 100%, just not now. Right now it's cool badmouthing NFT's

if we dominate the web3 space we'll dominate the web2 later

[wary shuttle]

Didn't happen for Axie 👀

[unkempt wagon]

ofc not

[wary shuttle]

That's my point the type of web3 game you are matters

[unkempt wagon]

their whole economy was like a pyramid scheme. They showed the rest of us the importance of a sustainable economy

[unkempt wagon]

the game doesn't matter and Axie proves it... The game was weak and it had millions of players

[wary shuttle]

It has no where near the players it used to. It's player count fell off a cliff because it wasn't actual gamers playing it was people from 3rd world countries who needed to make money. Those kinds of people don't stick around during the bear market or when their assets drop in price significantly. The only way for a web3 game to be successful long term in the main stream is to get your normal web2 players playing it.

The only way to do that is to prioritize ownership of assets over profitability

[unkempt wagon]

I agree, But the funny thing is if their tokenomics were sustainable their numbers would have soared

[wary shuttle]

Name a web3 game that has P2E mechanics that is sustainable?

[unkempt wagon]

I don't want 3rd world farming the game to be the main population, but it will be in the beginning for web3 games. Maybe not for illuvium because of the high specs required to play

[unkempt wagon]

Splinterlands

[gaunt parcel]

Sustainable p2e?
How?

[unkempt wagon]

by having burning mechanisms that combat inflation

and by ppl actually wanting to own and collect the game assets

[gaunt parcel]

Burning mechanism doesn't Make a game sustainable p2e

[unkempt wagon]

the second point does

[gaunt parcel]

No not at all

[unkempt wagon]

if we only attract web3 extractors and no one wants to own the assets ofc it's not sustainable

[gaunt parcel]

You sure you talking about play to earn?

[unkempt wagon]

bruh 🤣 you familiar with splinterlands?

[gaunt parcel]

Nope 🙂

[wary shuttle]

So in other words ownership is more important 💀

[gaunt parcel]

That's why i asked how 😄

[unkempt wagon]

you need to have the cards to receive rewards

[wary shuttle]

Well I knew he was going to explain what I meant it was just a miscommunication lol

[unkempt wagon]

so there is an incentive for you to actually own the cards. but you can also rent and play with them

[wary shuttle]

What you're describing is what I'm saying. Ownership is more important than earning if you want to be sustainable long term.

[unkempt wagon]

that's why illuvium will do great, cause players will love illuvials and will be attached to them and not simply sell them for profit everytime they get one

[unkempt wagon]

to expand a bit on this I'll say that what we need in order to be successful is give as much utility to our illuvials as we can. Have as many different games where they can be used and have them be limited in supply, which already is the case.

[wary shuttle]

We have never been more on the same page than this exact moment here and now

[sonic pulsar]

how?

they are just cards that u can fuse to make better cards

[unkempt wagon]

and illuvitars are just pfp's

[wary shuttle]

Yeah I couldn’t disagree more with that take ngl. Illuvials have to have utility. Illuvitars utility is being a pfp in game which isn’t saying much but you can’t have two products that don’t do anything like that lol.

[unkempt wagon]

are you aware how you are going to get the emotes and the arena drone blasts?

and if their utility is only being a pfp in game why is there a leaderboard for beyond?

[sonic pulsar]

to keep people spending

[wary shuttle]

Okay sure but again that is more asset inflation instead of an end game utility

[unkempt wagon]

we clearly have different visions, i'll leave it at that

[unkempt wagon]

26 eth

[sonic pulsar]

i dont judge

[gaunt parcel]

It Sold for 26 ETH?

[regal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-jackpot-gif-21054814