Create higher individual stretch goals rewards

[quiet cipher]

TLDR - Create individual stretch goals rewards for 5 000 points and 10 000 instead of stopping at 1000 like it was with wave 2.

There was only one player in the top 100 that bought more than 5000 d1sks on one single account during wave 2.
Everyone else spread their buys through different wallets to capitalize on the individual stretch goals.

I think we should create more rewards past the 1000 points, even more with the following idea

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where Mega D1sks will give 5x more points than Standard D1sks this time around.

This thread is also a way for the community to share any ideas they would like the best rewards to be.

I'll share @storm karma idea to kick-start things.

5 000 - Unique holo illuvitar
10 000 - Holo ranger skin

Let's make Illuvium Beyond Great Again!

[magic grove]

Don't ranger skins come from ILZ?

[waxen aurora]

Both, IZ and beyond

[magic grove]

I don't support that.

[waxen aurora]

Me neither, but it is what it is.
Most seem to not care, had discussions about that in #🎮〕illuvium-zero and got pretty much no Support to fight it

[magic grove]

Blueprints don't have much purpose anymore if they require playing the game and all that effort to find, effort and expense to gather all the materials, and cost to craft the skins if you actually get the much better skins from Beyond.

Blueprints are supposed to be a core game mechanic, which should not be undermined. Regardless of previous waves, someone needs to put their foot down on this.

[waxen aurora]

Absolutely no Chance mate, you don't even get support from landowners.
I guess they have to See how Hard it's going to be to Find a bp for a nice skin and then pay upfront for the production with hope they can sell it for a profit,
When at the Same time your competitor sells the special skins created out of Thun Air.

Maybe 3-6 months into open Beta will open some eyes.

[white tangle]

If there is no reason to not have all the stretch goals to be recurring after 1000, then it should be.
It would remove the necessity for multiple accounts.

[quiet cipher]

@magic grove blueprints are different than skins are they not? Blueprints are recipes to craft skins.

And are you really that bothered by a skin that someone only gets if they buy 2000 mega d1sks?

[white tangle]

Skins can be attained through completing collections aswell

[quiet cipher]

yes but the thumbs down is on this idea not on skins for completing collections

[magic grove]

You described it accurately, but I'm not sure why you say it's a very different thing? The creation of skins via blueprints is a core game mechanic. Shortcuts to better skins are undermining that.

Yes, it may be extremely rare now, but why? What stops us then from making them more common in the future? Why can't this be a different reward?

[magic grove]

I'm not a fan of this either. There should be specific skin types that come from blueprints, and others that can be obtained from beyond and other means.

[white tangle]

I feel for you, i think most people thought that skins would only come from Lands in the beginning. But that ship sailed a long time ago. The example extra rewards mentioned here for 5k or 10k disks would not be something to worry about though

[magic grove]

This is not a personal thing. I think it's just common sense not to undermine one of your core game mechanics.

[white tangle]

Im with you, but its to late for that

[magic grove]

And so easy to make a separation, why not do it? It's never too late.

[white tangle]

hundreds of thousands disks sold with the promise to be able to attain skins through compleating collections. That means that it is to late

[quiet cipher]

you know why you're not a fan? Because you own land and you were sold a pipe dream. A dream where only you produce skins for thousands if not millions of players

[magic grove]

seriously?

[quiet cipher]

am I wrong?

[magic grove]

Yes, I own land but don't plan to focus on blueprints

And personal attacks just don't make sense here

[quiet cipher]

it wasn't personal at all, every landowner got sold that dream

myself included

[waxen aurora]

Good, you shouldn't.
With cosmetics it's always the Same, the rare ones are gona be desired, and since you can produce limitless skins with bp's but just get a single skin with stretchgoals or collections, most likely those going to be the rare/desired/expensive ones.
You also avoid the Risk of not getting a Profit AT all, or worst case lose money because noone buys the skin you produced

[quiet cipher]

unless... Drum roll. Another pipe dream. You solely control all the blueprints of 1 specific skin and you artificially make it rare 😉

[magic grove]

I think you're agreeing that Illuvium has undermined their own core game mechanic.

[quiet cipher]

In a way I am, but I think that was misjudged by the team

[waxen aurora]

Yea, maybe you win the lottery in real life in the meantime, or get struck by a lightning... All arround the Same odds 😂

[quiet cipher]

I still think land owners will profit A LOT from fuel.

[quiet cipher]

if land pays for itself in 1-2 years and then it's all profit I find that a good invest

[waxen aurora]

Lets See, some people already try to Cut it to revenue just from overworld

[quiet cipher]

plus the future option to lend it or have scholarships playing it

[waxen aurora]

That just lower your Profits 😄
And until this is in, first plots are already built out and don't take much of playtime a Day.
But yea, this thread is not about Zero.

[quiet cipher]

yeah thanks @waxen aurora let's try and stick to the idea post here

I know you guys are not much into beyond but if you could I would appreciate it if you could take a look at my ideas, still missing a couple thumbs up to make them proposals

again @magic grove just want to reiterate that what I said be4 was not at all a personal attack, hope you didn't get the wrong idea

[waxen aurora]

There are no upvotes in #1020759212172775464 needed to create a proposal, you can do that whenever you Like.
#1020759212172775464 is more of a gathering sentiment to see if it's worth the work to create a proposal.

[quiet cipher]

ah thanks for clarifying that m8, I actually thought it was a pre-requesite. I'm still green in these areas. I've only voted so far.

I'll pm you to not drag it down in here

[magic grove]

Understood, no sweat. Also, I'm actually very active in Beyond too.

[quiet cipher]

lovely Hope you're liking the ideas then

[magic grove]

Mostly good common sense, I voted in your previous poll

[waxen aurora]

Yea, got changed Long time ago.
Ideal is

• to gather sentiment/changes/other inputs first in #1020759212172775464
• if you get a good amount of upvotes (community back up) you can write a proposal ideally with a icc member and a pro in the subject the proposal is about, so you create a good one.
• Post it in #1126838877429182506 to get the required upvotes to bring the proposal to a voting/rewriting onncouncil Stage.

[quiet cipher]

thanks for clarifying this!

[astral reef]

I agree with stretch targets provided the rewards are always a mix of financial, cosmetic, and collectable but not powerful. IE: It should not be rewarded with an uber powerful illuvitar.

[quiet cipher]

Any ideas you would like to see?

Regarding the not powerful illuvitar, being unique doesn't necessarily mean it is powerful. It could appeal more to the collectors then the leaderboard push narrative.

This proposal will probably be for the team to decide what they think it's best to reward and just make them add the 5k and 10k milestone for wave 3.
But we can make some suggestions nonetheless.

@lean magnet you have any suggestion you would like to share for these?

[lean magnet]

Holo ranger skin sounds like awesome idea

10k is a lot of disks however

[quiet cipher]

if the bonus points get changed for megas(5x) it'll equal to 2000 megas

still a lot 🤣

the proposal I'm planning on doing for the goals rewards will probably incorporate this current idea and this one
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[upbeat kelp]

I'm with you on this one. Idk if you brought this up recently or not honestly.
As for the suggested idea I cannot support it as long as it involves skins as rewards. Why not give a unique Illuvitar for example?
What if for example some time in the future we get IL Zero goals or missions or something and they give rewards such as Disks/Illuvitars?

[quiet cipher]

I'll pound once more on the idea.
The idea here is to add rewards for 5k and 10k points for goals rewards.

[waxen aurora]

No, not recently. Was back when the rewards got announced and a bit later again.

[quiet cipher]

The rewards will be up to the team to decide what they think it's the best thing to implement.

[upbeat kelp]

Yep fine by me with the goals

[quiet cipher]

we're just throwing ideas here. And evaluating the sentiment on these.

skins are a very sensitive topic cause we don't want to mess with land owners

[upbeat kelp]

I've withdrawn my 'against' vote cuz it wouldn't matter as long as i would be behind this if there are no skins involved in the rewards

[upbeat kelp]

Maybe we can work on a proposal on this? Let's catch up in private so we don't go off topic here

[quiet cipher]

but would it be that big of a deal if there were skins?
There'll prolly only be a handful of people that will achieve these

[upbeat kelp]

Imo yes because those would be the most rare maybe 'special edition' and would become very sought after. And it's been said before BPs is a core mechanic in IL Zero, has been confirmed that every attempt at researching a blueprint WILL cost fuel so who knows how expensive it'll be to get a top tier one? And getting high tier/very rare one as a rewards from another game doesn't feel right to me.
Is as if for example i get the top fuel farmer in IL Zero for a month/quarter and as a reward i get a Holo Rhamphyre - wouldn't seem fair for Beyond players

[quiet cipher]

isn't beyond a game that inter-connects all games?
I get your point but still to get one of these you would have to spend over 70-80k, estimating roughly

[waxen aurora]

I would rather put the skins you can get to the top goals, and would add illuvitars related Stuff on those smaller Goals instead of adding even more skins

[quiet cipher]

wave 1 gave the oberium skin, and wave 2 only had battleboard skins.
So it usually is for the top goals

don't we think we should reward something nice to some1 that spends that amount of money ?

[upbeat kelp]

I think this statement fits more into IL Zero rather than Beyond - i don't see how a collection game which gives you PFPs inter-connets all games. Illuvitars can only be seen as a PFP in Arena(and the website) and that is it. While IL Zero provides the means for players to travel in the OW so that people catch Illuvials to compose teams which then battle in the Arena (where finally an illuvitar PFP can be seen)

And idk why does it have to be skins and not something related to Illuvitars?

[quiet cipher]

you're missing the whole point of beyond bro. It gives not only the pfps but drone blasts and emotes and skins

I see it as the beyond version of all games

and hopefully there will be some connection to IZ in the future as well

[upbeat kelp]

Okay man listen .. i respect that you started to be active and try to improve the entire ecosystem with your ideas but you cannot expect the entire community to agree with your ideas. Stop trying to impose everything you say to other people. I ve said my opinion and that is it. I don't have to be right and neither do you okay? The votes will decide in the end

[quiet cipher]

for me personally I would like to see more things intertwined between the games

[quiet cipher]

right to what? And what am I imposing really? We're just laying out our opinions

you said this "i don't see how a collection game which gives you PFPs inter-connets all games" and to me this is very lackluster to what beyond is, that's all

[upbeat kelp]

The same thing you did with Mozeen earlier. When/if someone doesn't agree you try to convince them otherwise or that your idea is better. Okay you can come with 1-2 counter arguments i'm not saying you or anyone else cannot debate but you should know where/when to stop.

[quiet cipher]

I went back and read the conversation. You missed my point as Mozeen did back then.

Filow
OP
— 01/18/2024 1:53 PM
yes but the thumbs down is on this idea not on skins for completing collections

This thread is not about the skins and for sure I didn't try to convince anyone my idea was better.

I created this thread to gather ideas for rewards, and you all jumped on it because there's a skin in it

[upbeat kelp]

I also gave the thumbs down earlier because of that.
Change it from a skin to a Holo/Unique Illuvitar and you have my thumbs up

[quiet cipher]

The point of the skin was just a suggestion @storm karma gave to kickstart the conversation. As I already said the proposal will be for the team to decide on what they think the best suitable reward should be.

[quiet cipher]

And i'll say this again. I don't want nor do I need people to agree with my ideas. I have them and I'll present them in a proposal in order to improve illuvium, the more counter arguments you guys throw at me the better cause I get to refine my ideas more clearly.

[waxen aurora]

I always put thumbs down if there is anything in it i don't Like. There could be i agree with 90% of the proposal, but if i don't Like the other 10% i put thumbs down.
And i feel all people should do that, otherwhise it gives the wrong picture if it comes to sentiment.

[upbeat kelp]

Fine by me and as i said as long as it says skins i'm against it.

[quiet cipher]

I appreciate your feedback Spoon. Cause you not only put the thumbs down as you also explain what you don't like

What do you guys think on skins for IZ buildings?

Good? Bad? I would like to see more things between the games connected

cause right now beyond is connected to arena and overworld but not IZ

[waxen aurora]

I actually put both up and down the beginning, so people could vote on both 😄

[storm karma]

How so?
If everyone that agreed with 90% still voted down the proposal that wouldn't reflect accurately on the proposal sentiment at all, quite the opposite, as the sentiment would look terrible, when in reality is was disproportionately positive.

[quiet cipher]

Yeah I agree, if you put both thumbs up and down it's fine. But agreeing 90% with the idea and only putting a thumbs down gives the wrong impression.