#Illuvium Beyond Reward Structure Revision

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vital magnet
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This is a proposal i made during Epoch 8 but held off until i felt the community was ready for it. As we are all enjoying PvP and things are moving along i feel like now is a good time to discuss about Illuvium Beyond reward structure. @stuck ermine idea in #1020759212172775464 made me think about it, looking forward to see what you think of this Filow

Simple Summary

This proposal recognizes that the current Illuvium Beyond design imposes limitations on smaller players and late comers. It proposes an intent and, while it suggests multiple ideas, ultimately empowers the team to decide how they wish to address this.

This proposal’s intent is to increase accessibility across the different demographics and reduce the current disadvantage of players that didn’t play since Set1 Wave1 by proposing various suggestions regarding the reward structure.

Full proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sJlL9_ARYH0K7ibK6DMn7C348YrztjrAJjCBXYAAVQQ/edit

Key Contributors: @split bloom @plain bough @restive peak @bronze flame @normal sandal Atlas_Love

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stuck ermine
stuck ermine
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  1. I'll just say that since we're only on set 1 I wouldn't kickstart the total rewards until we begin set 2.

  2. I agree with this, we were discussing if there should or shouldn't be diminishing rewards for participating in multiple leaderboards.

  3. For the current playerbase maybe it won't be necessary rn, but most definitely will be in the future.

  4. 100% It's important to keep monitoring the sales numbers and the playerbase we have to be able to best adjust these rewards.

neat sapphire
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Would love beyond to become more accessible to newer "players". I'm sure its a work in progress but need rewards for completing collections outside of a point bonus. Smaller rewards (account bound skins for completing x amount of collections of example) for smaller players. If we knew the plans for these smaller rewards I would be more incline to vote this up or down, but my vote is for more reasons for people to play outside of "buy this many d1sks get rewards".

I think I'm one of the non-whales that actually enjoyed beyond until I was whaled out of the leaderboard. If I had a compelling reason to bond and strategically buy/sell I would be playing still. I'm sure I'm not alone.

stuck ermine
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One thing it's not on the proposal are the ILV values to be distributed, it would be interesting to have some numbers in here @vital magnet

vital magnet
stuck ermine
old nexus
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I'm not sold on the idea of set rewards. Wave and album rewards/leaderboards make sense though for sure.

Let's not forget that future sets are likely to be significantly smaller than set 1. With this in mind I feel the addition of wave rewards/leaderboard is enough to solve the issue this idea aims to address.

zenith needle
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Good. Ship it To_The_Moon

stuck ermine
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Maybe having the wave 1 and wave 2 rewards running ASAP can help bridge the gap between now and the wave 3 release bringing back some excitement for these waves.

fiery knoll
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Im against choosing which ladder since this will only end up in people using another wallets

graceful pine
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This has been a topic that was brought up several times. Nice to see it have legs with a proper proposal. My only thoughts here is that we should limit it to two types. Set and Wave. Having a total leaderboard doesnt really promote more purchases. It only maintains the status quo? People in the current leaderboards are not incentivized but are in fact being rewarded three times. They get rewards for the wave, set, and total. Its hitting 3 birds with one stone which I dont think is aligned with the overall business model of Beyond.

We need to look at this holistically and having 3 leaderboard rewards just for beyond when we have other game modes like Arena, Overworld, Zero that potentially may have its own rewards. Would we be depleting our rewards pool? If we lower the rewards value to address this would it be enticing enough for players to want to spend on it? This is definitely something the Labs team would look into with proper projections for sustainability.

stuck ermine
neat sapphire
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I think you could be automatically set into each ladder, but only get rewarded for your highest rank?

eager lichen
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jaunty harbor
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i like separating the leaderboard. i prefer two leaderboards: whole album and waves.
the wave leaderboard can be like seasonal leaderboard that ends when the wave ends.
i think defining how to set the rewards for each leaderboard is important for this proposal to work.
my question for choosing the leaderboard. im not really sure if i agree with this.
are they going to be locked after making the choice? For how long?

eager lichen
# stuck ermine yes wave 1 should have a leaderboard of its own

i don't think it's a good thing to give out rewards on a regular basis for anything happend in the past and is not generating revenue anymore.
It also could (depending on the amount given for the leaderboards) add up to a signifcant part of ILV rewards getting allocated to 1 game, or if you do something similiar with all other games plus future games, it will drain the rewards pool pretty fast.

stuck ermine
stuck ermine
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Because I agree with @fiery knoll choosing which wave leaderboard you're joining may lead to some rogue behavior and wallet switching and all kinds of shenanigans...

eager lichen
stuck ermine
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learderboard expansion is also one of the topics of this proposal

eager lichen
stuck ermine
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yeah true, in a sense it kinda makes sense to leave behind the middle player in this. It's a whales game after all.

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If we start wanting to cater to everyone we start catering to nobody. That lesson I learned from WoW.

eager lichen
stuck ermine
eager lichen
stuck ermine
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I'm an engineer I like the KISS model, Keep It Simple Stupid. There should be no shenanigans or wallet hopping or wishing to be lucky and getting a strong illuvitar to cross some threshold required.

For me it would be the 100 ILV for the Set leaderboard and 50 ILV to the current active wave only available while that wave is running. And that's it.

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I think it's very important we know the target audience of each product. The beyond leaderboards are for the whales. Same goes for the leviathan arena and the T3/T4 land plots for IZ.

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This whole idea to have another leaderboard for the current active wave is to appeal to new whales not little fishy.

vital magnet
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I do like the idea of separating in two by having leaderboards for sets and waves

kindred glacier
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Collections (and specifically the rewards that accompany them) are the incentive for non-whales. I don't mind the idea of splitting the leaderboard into a Set leaderboard and a Wave leaderboard, as this helps new players compete. We should be under no illusions that leaderboards will, by their very nature, cater to players who spend the most and are willing to put in the legwork bonding.

I'd also like to point out that if this is a request for a solution from Labs, it should be extremely explicit that this is the intent. Something like: "Upon passing, this proposal stipulates that Illuvium Labs will prepare and present a solution to the community for voting."

As it is currently written, lots of specific parameters are mentioned, and it's not necessarily clear what passing this proposal would mean. It identifies a problem, and suggests solutions, but it doesn't provide a clear path forward. I don't mind potential solutions being included, but if the path forward is for Labs to draft a solutio nto the identified problem and present it to the community for voting, that needs to be clearly stated.

jaunty harbor
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Looking at the latest announcement on creator reward,
50-100 ILV/week for the second leaderboard shoud be doable

stuck ermine
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We should sum this proposal to simply focus on implementing the second leaderboard for the current active wave @vital magnet.

stuck ermine
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fiery lava
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I’d been considering some similar concepts myself and appreciate the work from the group that went into this one

half solar
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I'm one of those new players in all Illuvium world and was felling this difficult to reach rewards in beyond.

Congrats to all Atlas_Love Atlas_Yeah To_The_Moon

jaunty harbor
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@vital magnet we are going discuss about this proposal in ICC next meeting. i do have some questions:

  1. Duration of the leaderboards.
    Does the set leaderboard ends when the following set is launched? The team mentioned about releasing Set 2 in batches, how do we end the Set 1 leaderboard if the Set 2 will be released in batches? Do we end Set 1 leaderboard when the Set 2 Wave 1 is released?

  2. What is the mechanism of choosing the leaderboard?
    Will the wallets be locked after choosing? For how long? What if people transfer the NFTs to other wallets to switch leaderboard? Can we lock the NFTs?

  3. Can you specify that both leaderboards reward top 100? What is the reward amount for each leaderboard?

  4. Can you specify how much is the increment? e.g. +10% per wave, Wave 1 100ILV, Wave 2 110ILV, Wave 3 130ILV

split bloom
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stuck ermine
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neat sapphire
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What about bonding only leaderboard, to promote bonding. so you could pick that one and it only includes the bonding collections.

jaunty harbor
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@vital magnet are you sending this proposal for ICC vote?

vital magnet
jaunty harbor