IIP-XX Increase the Team Storage Limit to 50

[raven escarp]

Summary:

This proposal seeks to improve the experience of players and Content Creators in our ecosystem by allowing them to store more teams within the same account during the beta testing period. This way people can test new teams without having to delete one of their favourites and keep testing new options without having to make a new account every time.

Content Creators on the other hand need more flexibility when it comes to the ability to share teams as once shared they shouldn't edit or delete these slots anymore at the risk of making their own content and links obsolete.

This IIP would move the existing limit from 5 teams per account to 50.

This proposal should not influence whatever plans the Illuvium team had for this feature on Open Beta launch and just applies to PB3 and PB4.

Objective:

The primary objective of this proposal is to get the development as quickly as possible of this feature to not lose in retention due to the inconvenients of the current system or not discourage Content Creators from sharing with the community.

Rationale:

The team will need to evaluate how much time / people would be needed and implement this change as soon as realistically possible. Taking into account their own current priorities.

I am though, very confident on the fact that such a basic change shouldn't delay anything or imply colossal resources allocated not even manpower.

Implementation:

As said above, Up to the team to give an ETA for this change.

Use Case:

Give a better experience to the actual users, improve retention and encourage content creators. This will also encourage people to test less meta stuff and help finding bugs or issues on the under-used Illuvials, improving then also our feedback loop.

Sponsor:
Zeptyle

[carmine hinge]

Also a duplicate Team function would be great

[queen sandal]

Would you be willing to revise this down to 30? Its my understanding there may be some server side things we'd like to avoid. Lets keep in mind this is a purely free experience that generates 0 revenue, and storing information like this doesn't have zero cost associated.

@tall geode do you know if extra teams has a significant cost associated in any way? If we assume a larger scale of players?

[raven escarp]

are we really a multi-million company trying to make savings on text storage @queen sandal ? seriously? because realistically a team is just 28 IDs stored in a text file or something not much more complex/heavy than that.

[queen sandal]

I am just double checking... I don't know this stuff particularly well

[tall geode]

There is more to it than that, but no, the storage limit is not our concern.

You also have to remember that we need to look at how people interact with our systems. If we just give what is for all intents and purposes an infinite amount of team comp storage, then we don't get to see how people realisitic interact. The fact people want more is a good sign.

I'll speak to the team about increasing the limit and see what we all think. I really doubt we will have a very high number like 30 or 50. But we could give some more and see how people go with that.

[queen sandal]

I'd rather have everything clarified

[queen sandal]

Thank you, this will likely go to vote soon so if u could send us a liason to meet with the ICC that'd be appreciated

[tall geode]

I really don't think this requires an IIP

Unless I were to say what I think we should increase it to, and you guys say 'fuck off, 50 or bust'

[raven escarp]

Alright, thank you for your answer. Would it be possible to think about content creators in that discussion please?
What is happening right now is that people (including myself) have been doing extra accounts just for team storage and sharing. This is not only not practical for the users but could also mess with some data analysis for the team (like average playtime/account etc).

Perhaps work on an export link that allows people to import teams without the creator having to lock that slot and never touch it again would be nice?

[tall geode]

I think the simplest is to give enough that you guys have some freedom. Also I would open that up to everyone, not just content creators (just because it's much easier for us). But at the same time, we really do want people to be somewhat restrained with it, so they have to edit comps rather than always just making a completely new one.

But this is in line with some tournament rules we are planning on rolling out which means nominating multiple team comps and having the other person ban.

[queen sandal]

This greatly excites me. Cause yes its no secret we need some specialised tournament rules

[raven escarp]

yeah that makes complete sense. Only issue i see with willing to make people edit rather than make a new one is how the current links work.
Currently if i share a team using the share button, but then edit it to make something new, people clicking on the link will have the new version rather than the one I intended to share.

[raven escarp]

this is QUITE SOME ALPHA right there though!!

[tall geode]

That's also getting updated. We only had that in there because it was a quick way to let people share. It wasn't intended as the final functionality.

We're trying to do a lot better at getting things out, even if they aren't perfect. Will it mean that some people say 'this isn't finished?!?' sure, but that's kinda the point with early access. Too often in the past we have worked on something a lot only to have people want it changed.

Expect more pink boxes all around!

[olive adder]

@raven escarp are we waiting for aaron to give a new number?

[raven escarp]

or any sort of info. he said he'll talk with the team and eventually send someone to discuss with council so yeah let's wait on that before we do anything.

[olive adder]

Ok

[raven escarp]

News regarding this? @olive adder @tall geode @versed elk ?

[tall geode]

We will increase it for the next update.

[raven escarp]

I don't see mention of this in the patch notes, maybe i missed it. Can you please confirm if it is still coming with the update?

[tall geode]

It didn't get in for this patch, because we have something else coming that changes the way we do a lot of things. I apologise for the false hope, but there is something coming which we will preview soon that we change how teams work.

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[raven escarp]

Alright! Thank you for your answer 👌

[raven escarp]

Hi @tall geode we still want to be able to build more than 5 Teams, can something be done about that please?