Sell special pre-full beta cosmetic items for people who have been here early.

[solar hawk]

A way that we can reward early adoptors and provide revdis is to sell cosmetic items such as mz skins, boards, arlen skin. We could do a limited sale that ends once the full experience comes out.

@stiff tusk created, couldn't write out too much since I have 5 min between meetings but basic idea is here. Basically sell skins during this beta to get revdis and make them special edition that you can't obtain when we go to the next phase of beta

[hallow scaffold]

Board skins already got denied for early adopters because too much workload.
Don't like the idea in general with all that ranger and drone skins flooding before the game even launches.

[solar hawk]

yeah board makes sense. Shouldn't flood but even if there's 3-4 skins it would provide a good revenue and give something to show off later on.

[hallow scaffold]

Oh my bad, overread you wana sell them.
Just buy beyond disks and you get those early adopters Mozart/Ranger skin.

[solar hawk]

I'm not really a fan of beyond and honestly think this would provide a better revenue stream than beyond would. From outside the community I've heard a ton of people saying they'd spend money on cosmetic items but aren't a fan of Beyond and don't care enough to buy

[hallow scaffold]

Beyond is literally the Way of illuvium selling cosmetics 😄

[solar hawk]

there needs to be an actual shop you can buy targeted cosmetics. Sure games like dota have chests you can open to try to get sets but there's also direct ways to buy skins. Plus even if oyu want cosmetics to only come from beyond you need a way to implement purchasing them in game, no one wants to go to a site to buy cosmetics this isn't 1940, so the functionality should be worked on either way.

Also I'd hope there's a real method to show off cosmetics, beyond disks don't really feel like a great way to show off cosmetics in game

[hallow scaffold]

You literally can, they just throw a bunch of pfps at your head at the same time.
I agree Shop should be ingame aswell... i guess it's because beyond was planned to be "beyond" the Games, which might change anyways with all the pump my BAG people beggin for their beyond tcg... So you might habe an ingame Shop in future

[solar hawk]

right but I think they should be split. I don't want random PFPs and those random PFPs is what users outside of crypto complain about alot. Let me buy skins and don't give mea bunch of stuff I don't want or care about

[hallow scaffold]

Yea, i agree.

I guess it's just cool for web3 people who think they might make a profit with buying the skin.
Most web2 people don't think that Way, they just wana get rid of the money in exchange for fancy ingame stuff

[solar hawk]

yup that's exactly why I think we need to split up cosmetics from beyond, but back to the point of this idea. Let's have some sick early adopter skins to buy. Don't rip people off but something that generates revdis and provides something to show off even if it's just a couple items to not flood the market

[shrewd vault]

Except the project has already sold 20k land plots and one of the main selling points was that land owners will be able to create and sell these cosmetics.

[solar hawk]

Unless something changed land wasn't ever said to be the only way to obtain skins, just that it had special skins you could obtain.

[copper abyss]

It's a method but certainly not the end all of cosmetics for illuvium

[copper abyss]

give the landowners some kickback on these sales potentially since they've been muddling around for so long?

[shrewd vault]

Still, there has to be a limit to how much the project is selling, without shafting your early investors too much. People can already get these as a beyond reward, plus you can get them as milestone rewards for buying things, plus there are merch + cosmetic NFT combos

[solar hawk]

eh you can make the same arguement for token holders as well so I don't think there's any extra you'd need to provide to land holders

[solar hawk]

again, I don't think beyond reward is a driver of skins. I think normal gamers will hate it and most people in web3 I don't think really care about that. In other communities that are interested in ILV they've not been interested in beyond or even PFP NFTs in general. PFP nfts will die in this bull.
Locking skins behind other activities/buys is a weird way to do it and feels awkward as a consumer. Just let me buy a skin and stop making me buy random shit I don't care about. I also don't think many other people know you can get in game cosmetics from beyond, news to me tbh, and I still don't think that makes Beyond more desirable

[copper abyss]

For sure and token is meant to get the rev dis though I honestly feel bad saying land holders deserve nothing from cosmetic related sales especially ones that will frontrun their own. Just a thought though.

[solar hawk]

not front running when they'll be different skins.

[shrewd vault]

I guess there will be a small selection of free illuvitars new players can rock, if they are happy with them they don't have to care. The rest will probably end up buying a cool one eventually

[solar hawk]

not sure what that has to do with a cosmetic only shop can you elaborate

[copper abyss]

It's fine to add incentives especially for a category that is struggling to make headwind like illuvitars, however, Matt is right that selling skins on their own is a good idea that makes sense to current gen gamers.

[copper abyss]

different but ultimately skins being sold before they have a chance to sell their own.. It's iffy logic maybe but if i was still stuck with my land i bought I know I'd be sour a bit

[solar hawk]

honestly I expect beyond to be absolute minimum of the sales once there's full game. Not sure how many gamers will really care until you can do something with them. Good news is there isn't really any overhead on them.

@copper abyss with that argument we should also argue no land NFTs should be minted until balancer skins are done since they were technically first.
I'm a land holder and couldn't care less tbh. Actually I also hold balancer skins too

[shrewd vault]

Why would it ever be a separate cosmetic-only shop in a web3 game? Everyone has to use the illuvidex anyway, since all the illuvials are NFTs. Cosmetic skins are available from the same shop under a different tab

[copper abyss]

fair enough, as a non land holder anymore I don't have enough skin in the game to argue to hardly for them as it is :p

[solar hawk]

There should be a way to just buy skins. I shouldn't need to buy some random pfp I don't care about or want just to maybe get a skin I want. I don't see any web2 gamer wanting this either when they already complain about too much extras when dealing with web3 games

[copper abyss]

skins tab on website/ in game

[shrewd vault]

But you will be able to buy just skins. From the illuvidex.

[copper abyss]

doing a battle pass in addition with some skin rewards in early access would be interesting though and drive some player interest and retention rn though. Don't know if they would even have it ready in time though

[solar hawk]

I thought you were arguing that it's fine to just have skins tied in with Beyond. I don't care where the shop lives but you should be able to buy JUST skins and not only have skins locked behind beyond.
@copper abyss I'm cool with battlepasses but I'd assume that's too much work to get done before Q1. I'm tlaking about special skins to show you playedand contributed prior to being able to capture NFTs

[shrewd vault]

And you might be totally wrong about this. Just because beyond is not your cup of tea, don't expect that everyone feels the same

[copper abyss]

I think Matt's point is to simply expand our options here, not totally throwing illuvitars in the dirt

[solar hawk]

It's already what I've been reading about from outside the community, and most of what you hear about web2 gamers is people making fun of pfp NFTs. I'm willing to bet money if we force people to buy beyond to maybe get a skin they'll hate it. Obviously it's fine to have special skins if you complete a collection or something but there should be methods to buy other skins directly.

[shrewd vault]

Oh no, I'm with you on that. Except it will be land owners putting those skins up for sale, not the project. But people can buy just a skin without any illuvitars or other items if they want

[copper abyss]

illuvitars are expensive still too btw

[solar hawk]

I think you're agreeing with me? Have special land skins, Illuvitar skins, but also have a way to buy general skins from a shop like you do in any game.

@copper abyss i don't care about price they're just not my cup of tea. I only like use-case NFTs tbh

[copper abyss]

it goes with your arguments for people not wanting them though, like i get team liquid special sale but thinking about $50 a pfp, I'll just buy a displate at that rate or wait til game launch and get a deck of illuvials. kinda beside the point though for this topic

[solar hawk]

yup, but a special team liquid in game skin would be on topic for this and we could also give them a % of sales 😄
Liquid was my favorite in dota cause of Miracle, then C9 cause of SingSing who is pretty much the only youtuber I watch.

[shrewd vault]

Have you seen the illuvidex since last week? Check it out, they already have the new menu tabs for skins and all kinds of other loot in there. It will be a one-stop-shop for everything you might use/need in the game

[copper abyss]

So they could potentially be ready to test some sales of skins in the next weeks to months? get some sales and make sure systems are good

[solar hawk]

Yeah I think we are discussing different things now. I don't care where the skin shop lives. Specifically I was saying we shouldn't gatekeep skins behind beyond but I think there was a misunderstanding when you used that term. I think you meant it was within the illuvidex not within beyond.

[shrewd vault]

Your shop exists then. People will need to use the illuvidex anyway for buying/selling their in-game loot, weapons, shards etc. Skins also live there

[solar hawk]

cool but this idea was to create special skins to generate revdis during this phase of beta not create a shop

[stiff tusk]

yoo thanks matt.
this could be just a simple set: one OG Ranger Skin, one OG mozart skin, one OG emote and one OG illuvitar. Just like how TL promo is. But non tradeable post OB

[solar hawk]

Could be non tradable but I think you’d get more volume if you let them be tradable post OB but don’t sell anymore

[hallow scaffold]

don't think this stuff gona be ready pre OB launch

[copper abyss]

At a minimum letting the team know people are interested in more options to buy skins straight up is good.

[stiff tusk]

i love this "stop making me buy random sht i dont care about"

[quiet widget]

I believe we want all our assets to be tradeable. It’s partially what sets us apart from web2

[solar hawk]

yeah I'd be leaning more towards allowing them to be traded

[sonic wraith]

I don't mind the idea of an OG skin, yet having them for sale feels like a bit of a slap in the face to landholders who were denied extra, plus all the community who have been grinding their ass off testing.
While I get where you are coming from. I believe people can just wait for a shop that's being filled by players farming blueprints and making skins. Any special additions can be tied to that as well.

Or they are just given for free to players under some kind of benchmark or conditions.

[solar hawk]

not sure why people think it's a slap in the face to land holders. land was an extra to the original idea and it doesn't have to be fair across the board. Revdis doesn't have to continuously be changed just to make it fair. The community benefits by getting revdis. if people are going to cry about it then make a less special skin or some achievement for participating in the beta. I care about revdis and don't really care about making it fair across the board. You want ILV to start building up the safety pool ASAP just in case it gets delayed or revdis doesn't really start until we start running out of money

[shrewd vault]

Safety pool most likely filled today