#Arena (Survival Mode) is too difficult for beginners

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peak acorn
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I am a beginner who has been playing for about a week.
I played Arena (Survival Mode) and found it very difficult.

The gameplay is interesting.
However, there is a lot of knowledge required.
Attributes, classes, Omega, physical or energy, etc.

If you need knowledge to enjoy the game, beginners will leave.
If this continues, I think only a few core players will be able to enjoy the game.

We felt that the knowledge burden is heavy, so if you could consider the following, I think beginners would enjoy it more.

Display a breakdown of multiple attributes and classes, such as Tsunami.
The game should be able to show the weaknesses of each attribute.
The game should be able to tell whether the player is a physical or energy type.
In other words, even if you don't have any prior knowledge, you should be able to quickly understand what kind of characteristics the illuvium has.
Increase the amount of time players have during the first wave (checking their cards).

Personal impressions
The overall atmosphere is too dark.
Please make the BGM brighter.
There are too many waves and it takes too long.
I would like to see a double speed function after Start.

vagrant nest
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Maybe this helps a bit more.

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peak acorn
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Thanks for the information.
I will look at 'iluvialmaster.com' to learn more.

Games that require help from external websites mean that they are difficult.

I know you are all experts by now, but the majority of people who play after the opening are beginners.
It is expected that those beginners will have the same impressions as me and will go to other games.

I request that you make it a bit easier.

twilit shell
thorny nova
bronze garden
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It is already way too easy. In my opinion it needs to be harder

vital panther
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Most of web3 is traders, degens. We are used to making multiples, degens don't have time to study arena.

bronze garden
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The Web3 gamers can learn how to play games then. We're after the Web2 TFt players

vital panther
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web3 gamers like simple games. best of luck getting the TFT players

agile gyro
# vital panther web3 gamers like simple games. best of luck getting the TFT players

Web3 "gamers" are just not gamers. otherwise the web3 market would've adapted and made good games way earlier.

btw Thank you for the feedback @peak acorn but honestly, I think it's intended and a good thing that someone can't reach wave 30 on their first try without having any autobattler experience.

I'd recommend you joining guild discords like Hyperion that are focused on the gameplay and teaching people if you want to learn. You will find there a lot of very nice people willing to help you improve at the game 🙂

Also keep in mind that in the full version of the game, there will be tutorials to teach beginners the basics

I agree with your Quality of Life improvements suggested though but i don't think the team can do much about it before Launch.

vital panther
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crypto game just had its first bull

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how can u call gamers who like simple games not gamer?

vagrant nest
vital panther
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is fancy bird a game?

vagrant nest
vital panther
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even beyond is a game lol

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its on our website. how can u be more simple than beyond.

vagrant nest
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Ya like I said, only a few in bull run. For the next bull run we have some AAA Games I guess.

agile gyro
# vital panther how can u call gamers who like simple games not gamer?

easy, i play these games, like Gods Unchained and realize i can go ranked, skipping the tutorial and stomp for 9h straight with the starter deck before i start finding opponents that have a VAGUE understanding of what they're doing.

I challenge anyone from doing that in ranked of any web2 strategy or card game.

So yeah "web3 gaming" is populated VERY majoritarily with people who initially weren't gamers. This is no offense to anyone, those people probably know a lot of things i don't, but they're not gamers.

vital panther
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people who play a game is called gamer, doesnt matter what game

vagrant nest
vital panther
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there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers

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even my mom is a gamer she is playing homescape, i guess shes not good enough for you huh

agile gyro
vagrant nest
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I think it's just a matter of perspective.

vital panther
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you can settle with casual and hardcore gamer. Doesnt have to alienate people

vagrant nest
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Everyone thinks differently about this and that's normal I guess.

vital panther
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and this a problem with ILV, some people are too elitist

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candy crush make much more money than darksoul

agile gyro
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A Gamer has some level of video-games culture, A video-games player can be whatever you want. But a Gamer is a distinct class, that you might find too elitist for you, but if that's the case, you're in fact not part of it 🙂

crystal light
# peak acorn I am a beginner who has been playing for about a week. I played Arena (Survival ...

The game is currently in beta

At Launch there will be some level of “Tutorial” that teaches you each of the mechanics one at a time to better onboard you

The UI will also be improved over time to be more and more user friendly

Illuvium at its core is a game with a few simple mechanics (that hopefully a tutorial will be able to easily teach)

The game should be “easy to learn, difficult to master” that way its both accessible but also has a lot of depth for competitive play…

crystal light
crystal light
agile gyro
crystal light
vital panther
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Its just toxic behaviour to alianate casual gamers imo

agile gyro
crystal light
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Although, it may be relevant to understand what our target audience is and imo our target audience is very much TFT players and other more hardcore and strategy gamers, poker and chess players etc when it comes to PvP Arena…

OW will be more casual and IZ more casual still…

agile gyro
crystal light
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Ok lets chill

vital panther
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lol ur being difficult

agile gyro
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But i just apologized xD

crystal light
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Bruh, just both of u stop and move on

vital panther
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i just want ILV to consider casual gamers, because thats where the money is

agile gyro
vital panther
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thank god

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tbh idc about game spesific, im just here to make money

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but this idea need to be considered. Because thats exactly how i feel, casuals wont play the arena

twilit shell
vital panther
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do u play candy crush?

twilit shell
crystal light
# vital panther do u play candy crush?

Candy Crush players are legit not the target audience of arena ser

Strategy players and those w autobattler experience are the primary target audience, TCG players secondary, something like that…

There will be players outside of those groups that end up being intrigued by arena and learning it, but for the most part its pretty clear that Arena was never intended for a super casual audience…

agile gyro
# vital panther tbh idc about game spesific, im just here to make money

See? you claim you don't care about game, you're here just for the money. (Fair enough, that's you, perfectly fine)

But argue with gamers on what a gamer should or not be...?

Listen if you care about making money, let the gamers say what's fun and what isn't, support them, and the choices that will come from it will make you money.

vital panther
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gamers make the worst demand lol. theres a reason why some people make games and some people rant about games

agile gyro
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😂 sorry you're becoming ridiculous so if you still didn't get it, i'll stop it here before you make yourself look even worst.

vital panther
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are game producers pro players?

bronze garden
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No but thats why most games suck and die

vital panther
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is there a pro player who actually make a game?

agile gyro
vital panther
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lets keep ignoring the billions he make

agile gyro
vital panther
agile gyro
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Btw you said yourself: YOU DON'T CARE about game specifics, all you want is money. Then listen to the target audience. That's what the companies who hire pros to help them make the games do.

OR if you still wanna engage in this kind of discussions, please make sure you understand the basics of offer, demand, Customer behaviour or the industry you're talking about

vital panther
bronze garden
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There are no casuals if there is no hardcore in these types of games

vital panther
bronze garden
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Nobody cares about that lol. We are talking about different games
It's something you've always failed to understand

vital panther
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zynga got hardcore games?

bronze garden
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Nope

agile gyro
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it's like jumping into an MMORPG project and say, let's make it moba because LoL makes more money than WoW

vital panther
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we can have a simplified mode of arena

bronze garden
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Yes you can make a different game. You are right.

vital panther
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esp for mobile

agile gyro
vital panther
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simplified

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arena for dummies

agile gyro
vital panther
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its just a different mode, dnt need to get your hardcore offended

agile gyro
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whatever im done talking this with you

vital panther
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an example, mobile legends has many game modes
casual, ranked, brawl, magic chess (auto chess), special modes (mayhem, overdrive)

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in the same app