Limit Wave 2 Alpha D1sks

[violet pendant]

This one is pretty straight forward, I noticed that wave 2 alphas also had a 3 day timer which is way too long. We should consider one or more of the following:

1. Run Alphas and non-alphas concurrently
2. Limit alphas to 12 hr window or when sold out
3. Limit to 10k alpha mega D1sks and 20k standard alphas (which is my preference)

Would love to hear some opinions on this.

[primal wyvern]

Wave 1 was limited in both quantity and selling period. 100k standard d1sks and 20k mega d1sks over 3 days.

At the beginning of the wave, a time-limited sale with a fixed quantity of D1SKs marked as Alpha will be held. These D1SKs do not affect the gameplay, but they are likely to be more rare and highly sought after.

Pricing of the D1SKs are as follows:
• Alpha Mega D1SKs - 0.1240 ETH (Limited to 20k)
• Alpha Standard D1SKs - 0.025 ETH (Limited to 100k)

Rest assured that the council is looking into the quantity and other aspects of Alpha Wave 2 sale in relation to the success of the previous sale.

[violet pendant]

Glad to hear and Appreciate the heads up, hopefully we get some more details soon and not a couple of days before the sale

[primal wyvern]

It would go through the proper gov v2 structure of IIPs for sure. Its definitely a priority for us considering its the next milestone (after Merch).

[violet pendant]

Also i understand that there was a limit on quantity and time for wave 1. But across the board the sentiment was the volume was too high and the length was too long. And most the people who arnt in the discord everyday were asking the question of why they couldnt buy the lower priced version or didnt even know about alphas. Obviously just my opinion but definitely slowed down momentum

[long lake]

I believe that some of those concerns are more related to inadequate marketing (specifically in terms of properly explaining the sale) and the limitations related to sILV2 usage at the beginning. This initial speed bump likely deterred potential buyers from returning within the 3-day timeframe. It's important to know that such situations can occur, as nobody is perfect. Regardless, the sale was highly enjoyable and cannot be seen as a failure by any means imo. Do you think that adequately addressing the marketing aspect of properly explaining the sale would effectively fix these concerns?

[violet pendant]

Thats a great point i do completely agree the initial silv2 issue did hinder the sale a bit and the team did a great job getting it solutioned quickly but there is also a lot less silv2 in circulation now for wave 2 which i believe will have greater impact on the alphas. I was in most of the 24 hr stream and watched sales and volume closely over the next 48 hrs. Just have feeling that a majority of the new users we onboard from marketing are looking and the less expensive D1sks and just like during wave 1 throughout the chat was questions on why this was so much more expensive then they initially thought. And yes marketing will definitely impact and inform that group of people but there is something unique about dropping into a mint the first few hrs and that magic dies down after three days

Also just for reference i did go to college for marketing and international business and is what i do professionally. I have never worked in web3 thou so im sure there is a bunch of people with better ideas just thought id throw my two cents in there

[long lake]

NFT drops are actually not my specialty, so I'll let someone from the strategy or marketing council share their thoughts. What I will say is, don't ever be afraid to throw an idea out there. The strength of this DAO comes from its community, especially someone who appears to be as capable and intelligent as you are 🙂

[violet pendant]

Appreciate the feedback brotha. this is why youre the face of Illuvium

[fervent forum]

I'll chime in and say that I partly agree with this suggestion.
Specifically that the Alpha and non-Alpha disks should be released for sale at the same time.

[atomic hinge]

The thing about this is Alpha D1sks are first editions so it doesn't make sense to sell them at the same time as regular ones. The length of the sale has been talked about in our Marketing meetings and should be a topic again in our next one.

[crimson sentinel]

Honestly isn’t weird that we are doing alphas at all for wave 2?

Like they are not ‘alphas’ if it’s not the first print?

[violet pendant]

Yah a bit but pokemon did it on second and third prints, but i just dont want another 2 and a half day lull of nothing happening and hype dying down and people asking why prices are so much more expensive then advertised. But looks like people disagree from the reactions. Not sure what their counter argument but hopefully marketing council considers these

[crimson sentinel]

Yeah it feels like a cheap marketing tactic if we are already doing another alpha release.

I could see one for the NEXT full illuvial set.

[fast vault]

In essence whole wave 1 is alpha then 😂

[crimson sentinel]

I mean that makes sense to me! What do you think?

[fast vault]

Thats why i wasnt bottered with collecting alpha's from the market. I rather want a 1 of 1 then a alpha where there are more of.

[crimson sentinel]

Yeah that sentiment kinda proves we are abusing the alpha label with our current strategy.

With alpha packs being cheap that also shows in the market.

Idk I think we should cancel the alphas until the next full set.

Keep the wave 2/3/4 strategy to keep the entry price low.

[silk saddle]

Just sell both together Alphas and non alphas

[feral dune]

They wouldn't be a 1st edition run if they ran concurrently.

[feral dune]

They are 1st edition wave 2's. They will be the 1st print of any wave 2 illuvitar before the unlimited prints hit the market. Making them Alpha.

[silk saddle]

Im sure most wont care. Its just about the limitation and the price. And ofc the alpha stamp

[feral dune]

I'm pretty sure a lot would as it would make a complete mockery out of the entire thing.

[stark shuttle]

I agree they should be limited, I was originally also under the impression there wouldn’t be alphas for wave 2, seems kinda pointless. If anything alphas for each set not each wave makes sense, especially given the general disappointment of many community members with the current alpha sitch. From a marketing/on boarding perspective do we really want to do a marketing push each wave for new people to come in at high prices and those in the know can sneak in for the better bang-for-your-buck deal after alphas?

[crimson sentinel]

How does it make it a mockery? Feel like it would be pretty cool to own an illuvitar from the only alpha set from the first full set of illuvials.

There are a TON of them out there right now. More on the way as packs open.

There is also an argument that it will help retain/add upside potential to the next waves. Bc ppl that can’t afford alphas won’t have to compete in value accrual with alphas in the set.

All wave 2, 3, etc illuvitars will be priced against alphas and wave 1.

Combine this with the raise we just got and keeping the safety pool around.

Why would we rush to devalue something that is currently trading below launch price?

Idk I really don’t think this is a stretch.

[main steeple]

Similar to what others said, the "1st edition" stamps in pokemon and Yugioh were for the first print run of the new sets, then it goes into unlimited (or whatever their print run maximum was) - it rewards early adopters that bought on launch day!

I put a 👎mainly because of running both at the same time (alpha and non-alpha).

This ties into previous discussions in the community of having ALL D1sks priced the same and the first "XX amount" for the Megas and Standards will get Alpha stamps while supplies last. After those have been bought, the Alpha Stamp is over and and the normal d1sks continue seemlessly.

This would push everyone to buy right away without any price difference - and everyone lnowing Alphas will hold more value long term. Unfortunately people might be buying thinking they will get Alphas and will be very disappointed when they don't get them.

But there was alot of discussion why Alphas had a higher price point so I will not re-hash those points now.

[main steeple]

If the entire set came out at once it would make sense to have Alphas at the start of each set... but since we are doing Waves for Set 1, we need to offer Alphas st the start of each wave.

Consider it this way:
If no subsuquent waves have Alpha stamps you can NEVER get an Alpha Rhamphy, or Alpha Rhamphite - someone might want those Alphas to go along with their Alpha Rhamphyre, no?

Or another situation:

If set 2 wave 1 is the only to get Alphas, then would it not be smart to have all the higher tier and stage illuvitars to have these stamps? This would make every subsequent waves a bit more boring with no "chase" illuvitars, no?
Also how would the decision be made to determine which illuvitars get the stamp in wave 1s and which don't?

Just trying to point out some other sides to your points - what do you think? 🤔

[stark shuttle]

good points fasho

[fervent forum]

Yeah. I hear you.
I just have a feeling that most if not all pr noice and user excitement is tied to the day of release of the wave.
And 95% of the market (I made that number up) don't want to pay for Alphas.

I think you might need to put lots of more thought into this.
Maybe rebrand the Alphas into something else that is also related to collectables and collectable value.
And release at the same day.
Perhaps Alpha -> CE / Collectors Edition.

[crimson sentinel]

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[atomic hinge]

I agree we had this problem the first alpha sale new people were confused and then upset they paid extra for Alpha. Maybe something to help new people realize this before purchase might help

[violet pendant]

I should’ve definitely worded this better since many people are stuck on the concurrent sale topic. My main proposal is to further limit total alpha d1sks, i tried to word this as politically correct as possible for the sake of being called out for fud, but we will not sell 120k alpha d1sks and id be surprised if we match the 40k with the current supply of silv2. Just going to be a couple of hours of sales and 3 says of waiting and confusion from those who arnt in discord all day.

Obviously hope im wrong

[crimson sentinel]

I don't think we need to hang on the idea that they won't sell either tbh. Like even if they all sell we are just creating a ton more latent supply that the market is clearly not supporting at the moment.

I'm so fucking down to do some kind of limited release that is dope down the line, but why force the issue now? Maybe it's like a sick easter egg where you have to beat some challenge in the overworld to get into a mint list - that would be gangster.

We have cash to get us to get the full game releasing, let's build some demand for 'rare' cards first.

Keep the waves moving as planning to keep some revenue coming and make the whole of wave 2 more valuable in the process (bit of speculation there but makes sense to me.)