Spider Illuvial - IIP idea

[shell estuary]

Since Day 1 it has been clear Kieran does not want a Spider Illuvial.
But at the same time the team always said anyone who holds ILV can put forward an IIP and the council would always vote what is best for the community or what the community wants.

This made me wonder: Does the community want a spider Illuvial?
So here is my first IIP idea (a simple one to learn the process and maybe write more in the future).

I made a post on Twitter and the results are clear, out of 134 votes 72.4% votes they would like to see a spider Illuvial.
https://twitter.com/Fraggydoteth/status/1586718444589928449?s=20&t=MRzv1mvwzCBaNPSH8JNuGQ

There are some endangered / nearly extinct spiders so this should not be a problem.

The art team can make them as cute as they want look at this cute GIF I found:
https://tenor.com/view/lucas-the-spider-gif-10939172

Let's make a simple vote here by placing 👍 or 👎 to see what the Illuvium community really wants.

Fraggy.eth 🧈 (@Fraggydoteth)

Do you want an spider Illuvial? 🕷️

Twitter · Oct 30, 2022, 1:55 PM

[pallid sphinx]

Personally I would be ok with a spider illuvial because I’m ok with spiders but there are many arachnophobic persons out there who maybe have a problem with that. As prove that spiders can be a problem in games is the game Satisfactory. The spiders in that game are so well animated that some arachnophobic players can not handle the realistic looking movement of these creatures. That’s why developers added a “arachnophobic” mode to the game, if turned on, it replaces the spiders with giant cat faces. I also think, even though it will effect just a tiny minority of players, a spider character will not necessarily add enough value to the game to justify that.

[wind lance]

There are also people suffering from claustrophobia. Does that mean no more caves/canyons and such?
I don't like spiders either, but a spider-illuvials cound end up as a cute-supporter or badass assasin. I Like the idea 🙂

[wheat night]

lol i posted that sketch cuz it was somet shitty monster i drew for a cartoonish game a long long time ago 😂 not as a suggestion 😦

[shell estuary]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll delete that

[pallid sphinx]

Doesn’t make any sense to me as well, but it is apparently a problem I wanted to point out. Btw. I tested the Satisfactory spider at my wife. She does have a huge problem with how spiders move. Didn’t end well for me, lol😂

[nimble acorn]

I think diversity is important and the fact that it can be cute or fierce fits in with illuviums style. Peacock spiders are tiny and beautiful and very colourful. I agree with Fraggy.

[tame hound]

i have acrophobia
the only way i can enjoy height is by playing games

[frank finch]

@hollow grove

[rancid bloom]

kieran can just choose not to catch it can't he? and if they make it T5 then almost noone will get the stage 3 version and it would be very rare to encounter :]

[burnt ember]

I've always thought that we're not gonna solidify ourselves as a DAO until we pass a proposal, that the team does not want to do. I'm all for this.

[potent ferry]

I hate scorpions because we have a lot here where I live but I love the scorpion rypterus line. I'm all for a spider illuvial

These are Jumping spiders and are so cool. Would love a spider designed after these.

[rancid bloom]

can already imagine one jumping up and down or side to side as idle animation. Would certainly be cool.

[frank finch]

It hatches little baby spiders that attack

https://tenor.com/view/squish-you-got-this-have-gif-19370787

[shell estuary]

Jezus @frank finch I was trying to be nice about it

[frank finch]

Just saying if this is gonna happen it should be awesome

[sonic cipher]

Spider illuvial, curious to see the take of @wheat night on this one.

👌🏻

PS : but guys, set 2 please, no more scope creep ok ? 😬

[weak dove]

I am not a fan of spiders but I am a fan of anyone being able to put forth an IIP and have it brought to a vote. I vote yes for the process. Also regardless of my personal feelings:

It fits the established boundaries of Illuvial ideation (at least as set for set 1) by being endangered and I think the potential of this being an epic Illuvial is high. I mean can you imagine once Illuvials are roaming the overworld and one just drops down in front of you?

[potent ferry]

Is that the spider's ultimate?

[velvet nexus]

Could the sale of a special spider illuvitar nft go towards a conservation non profit like Bush Heritage Australia?

[frank finch]

Thats the idea

[night inlet]

I like spiders myself, but for some people Arachnophobia is very real and intense. In another game, if there were spiders in the instance, one of our long time raiding group just couldn't bear to play that night, seeing them on the screen was way too painful for her. Personally, I would rather not force Kieran to relive the trauma of his childhood spider experience in Illuvium.

[wind lance]

Lets just be a bit more like Batman 🙃

[tame hound]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-dont-like-that-hell-no-aw-spider-gif-15510962

Carrier has arrived

[frank finch]

things nightmares are made of

[frosty basalt]

I could see where this was going. I DID ask for something that feels ‘not spidery’ 😋

[potent ferry]

I definitely understand the phobia concern. Possibly there could be a setting in game that converts spiders or scary illuvials to a generic model as not to offend or ruin someone's experience.

[nimble acorn]

Trust rich to undermine you lol

[hollow grove]

I really don't care as much as people think. It kinda became a thing so I went along with it. I've played tons of MMOs with spiders as creatures and it's totally fine. If you wrote an IIP to make me jump into a pit of real spiders that would probably be a problem though, otherwise meh if people want a spider, no issues with me 🤷🏻‍♂️

And literally perfect timing, this thing drops down from my screen. Couldn’t make this shit up

[frank finch]

IIP for kieran and andrew to do some cable management

[tame hound]

thats a cute baby spider

[tame hound]

u should see my switch rack

[nocturne crater]

@willow pasture

Remember when you posted the spider gif and almost lost your job on day 1 ?

[willow pasture]

yes which is why I'm not participating in this conversation

I'm not out here trying to get fired! I'm finally getting in a good rhythm out here hahaha

[sonic cipher]

Unacceptable

[honest idol]

Please take a look at this, Bunny Harvestman:

For a possible reference lol @wheat night

[nimble acorn]

That is the most confusing spider I have ever seen.

[honest idol]

Haha would be crazy to see in game.

[nimble acorn]

For sure

[latent bridge]

Harvestmen are technically not spiders. They are a different type of arachnid. They only have one body segment.

[frosty basalt]

An arachnid that’s not a spider? I think we found the loophole we need 👀

[nimble acorn]

Kieran is down playing it now. Says he’s played other games with spiders and he can cope. So green light lol.

[elder laurel]

I dont see why not to be honest

I agree with @sonic cipher though, this should be proposed for set 2, added delays due to an additional illuvial right now is not needed, but certainly added to the next set is a great idea

[tame hound]

enter the twilight zone

[shell estuary]

This IIP is not to have a spider in set 1. After 2 years of hearing Kieran say NO SPIDERS. I started to wonder what the community wanted. I just want to give the creative team the possibility to create one if they wanted.

Since Kieran posted here "I really don't care as much as people think. It kinda became a thing so I went along with it."

This should be an easy vote.

[nimble acorn]

Well done fraggy. That’s not a bad response and certainly a clear majority think it’s a good idea to put to council.

[vivid carbon]

Next illuvial - IIP idea should be hovering/flying/swimming illuvials

[fading glacier]

Just reading this thread makes me nauseous. I’m sure most people with more serious arachnophobia wouldn’t even take the risk of voting on something like this, expecting that people would post pictures of spiders into it.

You can’t please everybody, but is there really a need for spiders in the game? Arachnophobia isn’t that rare.

[tame hound]

do they watch the spiderman?

[vivid carbon]

Then scoriox and rypterus should be deleted in game. Why shouldn't there be a spider? Spider is amazing as an illuvial. Just to remind u, scorpion is also an arachnid, so people with arachnophobia already had something to fear in game so why no spider?

[fading glacier]

Nope, scorpions are ok. They are very different. I’m not saying I’d want to have a scorpion crawling on me, but a fear of spiders is a fear of spiders. Things that aren’t spiders are ok.

[latent bridge]

araneophobia would be more precise

[vivid carbon]

How about the people who are afraid of snake? Should we delete scoriox? People who are afraid of scorpions? Should we delete repterus? There are even phoboa regarding heights and thunder and other things that we will do/experience in game. Im just saying why no spider?

[latent bridge]

My dog has some pretty intense fear of lightning. Won’t be able to play overworld.

[dark rain]

I actually have scorpions where I live, my wife caught one and put in a cup last week

[lean fractal]

i vote yes

[fading glacier]

There is no spider because one of the founders has the same issue with spiders as many other people.

If you want to make a change you have to make the positive case for the change. Otherwise the status quo continues.

What positive will adding a spider illuvial do for the game?
Will anybody refuse to play the game because there is no spider illuvial?

Scorpion and snake based illuvials are already in the game.
To change that, somebody would have to make the positive case for taking them out.

[vivid carbon]

obviously, the positivity it will add is excitement just like the other illuvials bring in game. Who said spider illuvial is needed to be added in set 1? Clearly, this is a survey is for future set.

Same question, will other people stop playing if a spider is added? Will people not play the game 'coz of snake/scorpion/heights/thunder? im afraid of snake myself but its not stoping me on playing the game , a snake will not come out on screen

In this thread kieran already said he is okay if spider illuvial is added in the future set and obviously base on the votes,majority wants a spider illuvial.

[shell estuary]

@frank finch I think the votes on Twitter and here are pretty obvious

[frank finch]

Formalize the written iip

Or get someone to do it for you

[shell estuary]

Thanks for offering

[tawny ivy]

I prefer ants 😉

[lean fractal]

I prefer cacti but we gonna have to do with spiders

[balmy bluff]

Set 1 is locked. So it couldn't go into it even if you wanted. Set 2 will feature fewer new Illuvials as we want to add "variations". You'll see it with Illuvitars first, in that the backgrounds have variations that are still the same TYPE but not the same thing.

Scope creep isn't a thing for us anymore. We have locked down everything that we want to do and are not just blasting through it. PB3 gets 4 more lines guaranteed, but we're well ahead of pace on that art so we might get a few more in.

We don't want to start on Set 2 until the game goes Open Beta because then we get to get far more feedback on the direction we take it.

[rancid bloom]

"Variations" sounds like a water rhamphyre lets gooo xD

[proven cipher]

Now that would be cool.

[balmy bluff]

That’s the general idea. But not the specific.

[frank finch]

I get you, Agua Dragón

[balmy bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/why-michael-scott-the-office-why-are-the-way-that-you-are-gif-5593972

[vivid carbon]

What kind of variations? Lynx like variations? Or subtle variations like ramphyre with scratch on its face? Or Ramphyre wearing pajama? 😬

[balmy bluff]

A variation is another attribute to distinguish two of the same type. So all the Lynxes you see are NOT variations. They are just types. A variation in the case of Illuvitars might be something like 'Wendy's Squizz' if it was a promo variation.

The data for Lynx that is different from the normal lines is they have a branching PATH variable. Tier 0 also have a branching PATH.

Not as branching obviously.

Maybe that made no sense.

[vivid carbon]

So basically skins? Still same affinity and class, Not like a lynx where it branches into different class and affinities?

[balmy bluff]

Sort of. The difference is that they can have different Omegas, stats, affinities, etc....

They PROBABLY won't. But it depends on how far we take variations.

We're talking well into the future and we don't need to lock it down now

[marble marsh]

Imagine a spider illuvial using its web as an omega ability to target and tight up( stun) multiple enemies ... it'd be sick

[heady tinsel]

Ohh,i like that.

[shell estuary]

IIP will be voted on soon, there have been a few more important things coming up 🙂

[heady tinsel]

What is more important than a spide Illuvial?

[teal kraken]

Yo, I'd love a spider illuvial.

[unborn eagle]

@shell estuary responding to your council note here rather than General.
We discussed the idea, and my push has been to try to build the infrastructure to better handle this type of request. While this is one idea (that I'm supportive of), the question is the resource use to vote on/implement these types of ideas once multiple games launch. The effort that goes into getting each idea approved feels disproportionately high. My push has been to build the right review and approval process into gov v2. Since that doesn't exist yet, likely we will vote and approve this under the current structure.
I prefer the council (and community) build out a multi tier structure to ensure council time is best spend on higher level issues facing the dao. I foresee a world where this community generates hundreds of ideas per week across the full platform. At that point, it becomes a potential distraction to manage these individually at the current gov v1 structure.
Things are still relatively quiet. We need to use this time to build the right structure now prior to starting approval of individual ideas.

[marble vortex]

This basically sums it up. We always planned to vote on the spider IIP

[flint gale]

i've had really cool interactions with small house spiders, they are pretty chill creatures and friendly... in fact if you find one, and let it go, youll find it chilling on your lap in 30 minutes cuz he likes you, of course theyre are more ferocious ones that have to live up to their name...