str/vit + cm/dom vs building character stats?

[cursive pumice]

At what level or gear point does it make sense to start prioritising character stats (cp) over pet stats, if at all?

I've seen players with the normal physical type boss cards (reviac, ds, etc) boss cards instead of CM/dom boss cards. Given the fact that BM pets scale the worst of the 3 pet classes, at some point it has to make sense to just build up the character not the pets?

I know that eventually (max gear) it makes sense, because once your pet has a +25 wep, armour, sd etc there are no more boosts to give.. but is there a cutoff before that? E.g. if I have 2x +25 axes but my pets only have +20 maces?

Inspiration drawn from here: https://youtu.be/qoOOfk897aU

@little grotto

[cursive pumice]

str/vit + cm/dom vs building character stats?

[little grotto]

For me, it doesn't make sense to optimize the character's damage
Or perhaps when you don't have many upgrades on your equipment, which allows you to gain damage

In any case, once creature damage has been optimized, there's no point in trying to attack with the character.
Despite its very high stats, it will do very little damage, as it has no zone skills and even fewer skills that inflict a lot of damage or have a fast recharge time.

The only cases where I think it would be interesting to increase the character's stats are :

• Being able to use the phoenix warrior card
• Balancing the class (increasing the character's damage, being able to heal creatures)

[cursive pumice]

So the build you used in the without pet damage videos, is that separate to what you would normally run? i.e. would you just run Magma/Gargoyle/Slaughterer cards because they increase pet damage?

Noting as well that I know you've "retired" your BM until balance

[little grotto]

In vulcanus and dd6 i have a mix build.
I use double axes, lamia rings, gargoyle/hector/devil skeleton cards

But that's only because I already have +25 axes, and armor/gloves with crit power

This only allows me to save a few seconds per turn and spam the automatic atk

The conclusion: A build purely focused on character damage is certainly a little better on areas with a low monster population (devildom, vulcanos), but it's pure crap against areas with a higher monster population (maze, sf, tu) due to the absence of aoe

[cursive pumice]

Are you building your main pet (assuming it's either WP or DG) cp/vit or cp/(int or str)

I don't know what the order of operations is for the stat boots, since you obviously gain a % of main summon's Vit, but you're also giving them Vit

Assuming it's probably always better to go cp/attack stone than cp/vit

[little grotto]

You gain vitality from your pets, then give them

But i use int/str + CP even in the first pet

[cursive pumice]

And my last question, what cp/str levels were you able to get on your pets? I don't know what a good benchmark is

I see OL/MB with literally hundreds more CP and hundreds of thousands more p.atk on their pets than mine, and my reference point is being a 210 BM with +25 boots 😐

[little grotto]

I have to check that

[cursive pumice]

Did you manage to check this?

[little grotto]

No, I only have these screens from 1 year ago

1st screen is (I guess) WP with supernova and wild of anger (I'm not sure of the English name)

And 2nd screen stats without temporary buffs

Now I have to use all the consumables to refresh these screens with my actual stats ^^

[cursive pumice]

11k white strength on your player seems very high, I assume that's with a lot of individual consumables? Even 28k strength on your WP seems almost unachievable to me 👀

My current stats as a reference, only normal buffs + purified pieces, no consumables, no event buffs..

[little grotto]

Its with all consumables, str and vit unity

no event buffs

and maybe 1st place altar wings

[cursive pumice]

I'm struggling to think how you could be 5k strength higher 😐

I assume it's medals + sky jewelry etc

[little grotto]

s5 DG harmony / BS unity

without a medal because they have not been released

On my accessories, I don't have 7 lines of strength

[cursive pumice]

Ah I'm not using s5 DG harmony either

[rain tree]

what is a good 7 tp split on bm?

[little grotto]

2-3-2

[rain tree]

dont i need 3 in the first tree for the buff to get stats?

[cursive pumice]

Normal harmony of life, with buff gear, a card and a +20/22/24 helmet gives more stats than the TP version of harmony

2-2-3 is also viable, but doesn't make sense if you buy high level buffs and refresh them with HV scroll.. sometimes people will use the buff to get threat on mobs (see legend's videos on YouTube) but you get more value from 2-3-2

[rain tree]

so how does it work? i need a s5 dg/bs to use harmony of life and then 2 wps or bs/wp as pets?

[cursive pumice]

Best is a s5 DG, but a s5 unique human tank from PW is very good until you can get a s3 or better DG.

Once you've harmony on the pet, you summon out whatever you want to use and every time you re-cast harmony you will refresh the buff without having to resummon the pet

2x WP is best imo for mid-game (from 175-210+) but with high enough strength you can get some really good BS (see legend's pics above)

BM doesn't have any heals, so WP fills that gap

https://ominousguild.wixsite.com/ominous/bm-absorbed-pet-stats

[rain tree]

so using a s5 bs as harmony? human will be better you say?

[cursive pumice]

The link I just sent has all the stats for harmony in it.. at a base, you'll get:

1025 strength
755 vitality
From a s5 BS, and you'll get:

1040 strength
1185 vitality
From a s5 PW unique tank

[rain tree]

i see, and for build I use dome gear with str/vit stones and i use cm cards and rings or i go for cp/str rings boss cards?

[cursive pumice]

Rings you want to use Lamia (level 150 ring) because they give +domestication skill

Cards you generally want the 3x CM cards, but in the late game you'll probably change them around

Gear is domestication with str/vit stones, all strength awakening on everything

Either 2x 1h axes (higher damage output due to passive) or a 2h axe (higher strength bonus for pets)

Pets always damage stone (either str or int) and crit pow

There's some funky stuff you can do in the mid/late game, like taking 0 damage from beasts (great for tanking in SF) but you probably don't need to worry about that now

[rain tree]

lets say lvl 175-180 bm with x2 200 wps and s5 human tank

would i be able to farm s6?

[cursive pumice]

Depends on your WP gear, but most likely yes

+24 or +25 boots is a huge boost as well

Without them you probably can't

[rain tree]

+22 boots 22 helm

wp gear is mid 16/17 maces yushi belt some armor and mw

on my 185 ol im able to do it decently with mb buffs

[cursive pumice]

You'll always be slower than an OL until BM gets a rework (or Berserker gets a rework and we get a soft rework on shared skills)

The tradeoff is that you're a lot more tanky, and your pets will have higher hp

Like for example in 200+ Vulc I'm never at risk of dying to the DOT whereas my OL always almost died to it

[rain tree]

but with all the passives my wps would get more str which leads to more dmg theoretically no?

when i farm s6 my wps are on around 10-11k str

[cursive pumice]

This is my stats at 210 without any consumables

You could get similar damage stats on an OL, and your WPs on your 185 OL probably look similar

But again, I'm not at risk of dying in most places whereas an OL generally dies in 1 hit from a mob

[rain tree]

hmm i see

[cursive pumice]

I think of BM the same Berserker, except with no spammable skills and better pets

[rain tree]

how important is it having well enchanted 1h axes for clear?

[cursive pumice]

Not at all

[rain tree]

like am i doing a considerable amount of dmg to actually put money into it

[cursive pumice]

You could use the r3 lucky axes for most content (I did)

You're just missing out on a small amount of strength from the 170 weapons

[rain tree]

ye i tried zerk but without the spam skill he is very useless

yeah i guess

u got any idea on dome prices rn? what should i look for

[cursive pumice]

I keep coming back to referencing legend's stuff because he's one of the only high level BMs that have put videos on YouTube

https://youtu.be/2T_uPy7cK24

That's him killing in SF without using his pets on a BM

[rain tree]

i wanna try bm out i dont wanna go all out from the srat

[cursive pumice]

So you can definitely do a lot of damage with just good gear

[rain tree]

damn

20k str is impressive

all that with 1.5m hp aswell

[cursive pumice]

Scroll up in this thread and look at his screenshots.. his pets get to 1m p.atk and 2800 strength

[rain tree]

are you using dt for buff aswell when playing bm?

[cursive pumice]

I personally don't because it's a pain to manage while dual summoning

But you want to have a MB slave and gnoll buffs ideally

[rain tree]

i have one thats why i dont use dt on ol

cuz its annoying to juggle

if the buff was 1 hr w/e but 25min is dumb

[cursive pumice]

BM would get a decent amount of value from it (in testing it was like 10k extra p.atk on my pets) but it's not worth the micromanagement

[rain tree]

which are the most important cards to make for bm?

soul harmony and what else?

[cursive pumice]

Harmony of Life because you get more stats and longer duration

Unity of Str/Vit/Agi because higher % stats

Outside of those, everything else is nice to have but probably not strictly necessary

[rain tree]

and the strvit agi are prefference?

[cursive pumice]

You can only use 2 at a time, but you can't use both strength and vit at the same time

So you would use strength and agility

But you can time it so that you keep switching between strength and vitality every 30 seconds or something like that which will give you both stats at the same time

[rain tree]

so like merc invigo

but i dont think its worth the hustle

jsut run str agi

[cursive pumice]

It's technically worth it, because you gain a portion of your pets Vitality as Str/Vit/Int or something like that (not at my PC right now)

So higher pet stats = higher character stats = higher domestication bonus for pets

[rain tree]

Well I'll get my BM to 175 and look around a bit Ty for the help

Ah last q is the difference between 22 and 24 boots that important?

[cursive pumice]

Well every boot + is another 10% pet boost

So ideally you want a +25 eventually (or a +24 with 25 awaken)

But you can definitely go without

I was doing s4 speedruns on my 185 BM just fine with 22 boots and 22 helm

[pallid wasp]

better build bm for pets (cm cards,rings and boots) or build charakter?(set,axes and gector,other devil skeleton card)?

[little grotto]

Read the start of the discussion

[rain tree]

is it worth investing in reviac armors for pets for the 20% int/vit/str boost?

[little grotto]

Use cloak instead of an armor

[rain tree]

yeah well cloack is at least 170b each while reviac armor is 30-40b but the question is are the pets getting enough stats from it

[cursive pumice]

with reviac coat

with normal mage armor

about 900 strength gained

that's not fully consumable either

[rain tree]

hmm so kinda is worth

[cursive pumice]

People always want them so you can just sell later

[rain tree]

30-35 seems like a fair price? or im too hopefull

[cursive pumice]

I have definitely seen reviac 4s coat with e-td and CP on them for like 40-50b

But they're lv 1 +0

[rain tree]

yeah well the enchant isnt really important tho what matters is the 20% inv/str boost

[glacial birch]

So just to clearify if I am going with songuine bond set what stones should i use on gear? Do i need heal pet or lunacy card will do the job? As wellnot that much related to this topic but do i get both pets unity or only the first summoned pet?

[rain tree]

does pet lvl for matter for soul harmony?

[cursive pumice]

Sanguine set is generally a PvP set, and not as good as domestication. If you were going sanguine, you would favour vitality over strength (instead of strength over vitality) due to domestication's effect.

BM generally needs a heal pet, not because of the player (you could just use a lunacy/Hector) but because your pets will need heals. The scaling on BMs heal is very bad (heals for like 200 every 3 seconds and my character has 3k int) so a WP is generally used (as it is also one of the best scaling pets for BM).

I'm pretty sure you only get the first pet's unity, but obviously you still use 2 unities for the pet stats. It also makes a difference what pet you have in the first slot, as that is the pet your domestication/sanguine scales off.. so you'd favour a high str or high vit pet in the first slot (e.g. if I had BS/WP I would have BS in first slot for unity and for higher stat gain)

[cursive pumice]

I don't think so, but that's purely going off the stats in the website I linked earlier.. someone told me once that it did, but without having 2 identical pets to test (and the time to wait out a unity cooldown) I've never tested it

[real flicker]

You receive the unity with the higher level
Doesn‘t matter if it’s the first or fifth pet

[cursive pumice]

And if 2 pets have the same level unity?

[real flicker]

delvl the one you dont want 😄

[glacial birch]

So on character it should either str or vit? Rest is CP? Or cp is not that important should go with vit str mix? Or it is needed to have cp for both pet gear and character?

[cursive pumice]

The whole discussion in this thread is about whether or not CP is important (on the character), and Legend doesn't think it is (which I agree).

On your character you should have:

with Sanguine Bond gear: Vit > Strength > CP > anything else

And on your pets:

On your BS: CP > Str > Anything else
On your DG: CP > Str > Anything else
On any other pet: why are you using a different pet lol```

[pallid wasp]

what if i use unity of force set?

is it very bad?

[little grotto]

Never tried

[pallid wasp]

what do you think about it?

30% str to pets and char

add

(80%)

with set

[errant wadi]

hello, I'm starting to play BeastMaster, what belt, what pets for the belt? what pets to play with? I am lvl 159 and have 2x wind pixies

[cursive pumice]

With the KTS balance patch, looks like Berserker is getting a full rework which could mean building character stats might be viable now 👀

[little grotto]

I don't think

Target number is too limited

[cursive pumice]

Wave Cut getting essentially 4x more damage and 3x more hits which should literally be 12x more damage, as well as a 15% p.atk buff from axe passive that gets higher with passive levels. You don't think that makes it at least interesting to look at @little grotto ?

[little grotto]

Actual
10,5sec recast
4 hits
3 015% dmg fixed
605% dmg amplification

Futur
22sec recast
6 hits
3 690% dmg fixed
1 000% dmg amplification

In the best case, wave cut will do 4x more damage, but its recharge time is twice as long, so you'll only get 2x the current damage.

The number of targets has also been improved, but this is not enough for today's gameplay

Current dmg's are crap, so I think future dmg's will be the same.
And the last point, the radius isn't improved so you won't hit enough monsters.

In conclusion, of course I'm going to try modification (I've got all the equipment for it) but I'm not really hopeful for the latest content (after devildom and vulcanus)

[little grotto]

Split log + wave cut on 4 red buffalo

[cursive pumice]

@little grotto if you play your BM with the new epic, can you post some updated stats of your character/pets - e.g. with the new boss card? (Higher domestication)

Or a video would be nice 👀

And 20k strength in that screenshot is crazy

[little grotto]

If I have the luck to have one, yes

But I'm not playing my BM in this content, too weak ^^

[little grotto]

Gargoyle + magma golem + phoenix cards without any consumable

[reef coral]

It seems wave cut dmg is still low with that amount of atk

Bm can max out wave cut as berserker, right?

[little grotto]

Gargoyle + phoenix + necron without any consumable

[little grotto]

I think yes, i have lvl 24 (or 25 if i summon my DT)

I can have 30%+ damage by having a real CP build (it also reduce my p.atk)

[reef coral]

%65 p pierce can be the real issue here

[little grotto]

i can't have phase blades

I've already used 35 potions 😂

[reef coral]

Unlucky, I get it with my 4th try 2 day ago

[little grotto]

same issue on my cardi, 10 potions for the moment and i don't have it

but even with 100% p pierce it's not good

wave cut is the only aoe, cooldown is too high and target number limited

[cursive pumice]

How is the actual damage with necron gargoyle and phoenix cards? Looks like your WP is relatively strong (still low cp)

[little grotto]

1 super nova is 90% hp on red buffalo

pixie nova

still without any consumable, but with the WK tp

[cursive pumice]

any chance of a new video showing this off at some point? 👀

[little grotto]

yes

but not this week, I don't have a good enough connection U_u'

[little grotto]

with consumable

[cursive pumice]

Almost 5m hp on a WP is crazy

[little grotto]

Yes, but impossible to heal

[little grotto]

For the video I will wait 2-3 weeks, to have my TU set

[cursive pumice]

Are you still using str/vit stones or have you swapped to str/CP?

Feels like an oracle slave is probably necessary now for the healing as well as the pierce and str buff

[little grotto]

Ste/vit until class rework

[placid flicker]

pets need more cp tbh on bm nothing more or better passive with hp to pet attack

[swift quail]

what the WK tp?

mob of magic?

[reef coral]

Yes

[cursive pumice]

Thought it might be interesting to post this here, to show how much of a difference getting a good harmony makes..

With s3 DG harmony:

With s5 Hector harmony:

Same consumables / buffs, and 100k p.atk difference on pets

And s3 DG is already slightly better than s5 unique tank

[lime fjord]

I think you should go phase blade to now as it gives str/patk on the white number as a perm stat @little grotto

[cursive pumice]

He said that he's tried a lot and can't get it

[little grotto]

Yes, 40 potions

Hard to find in my server and really expensive :/

[lime fjord]

Yeah we had a similar situation here 🫡

After 40+ tries we got it

Works wonders on 240+ characters

I'm lvling a new BM now anyway on a separate account

With s5 DG etc

Everything melts with some random domi skadi gear and r2 helmet

Think the boots are random +22 ones

Stage 4-5 is still easy, will need to upgrade the stuff later for dd6

He is 178 now I believe

Idk why I haven't played BM earlier tbh, he is dragging 7 slaves with him easily 😂

Once he gets to 213, I'll send some screenshots during the rest of the progress until 240

[swift quail]

@lime fjord do you know what the stat numbers are. I have mob of magic right now and that took me alot to get. during all those rolls i never got phase blades either lol

nm forgot i had a slayer on another account so level 2
Patk/Matk +36%
Str/Int +26%
p/m Pierce 20%

[swift quail]

w/ s5 hector harmony. dont know anyone with dg on anthias

[lime fjord]

My 215 BM has higher stats with a s5 DG harmony and some pops

So i believe its worth investing in one

if u are playing BM as a main/second char

I think pb is a game changer tbh

[cursive pumice]

New PB is basically as required as a s5 DG (or a Hector) for BM now

[lime fjord]

Yes

[cursive pumice]

What first TP are people using? I don't think there are any game changing random TPs in the first tree but I could be wrong with the class balance

[lime fjord]

I go with prey

Hmm not able to upload a screenshot but yeah

ill send it to u

[cursive pumice]

Celestial send me this, his baby BM

[swift quail]

@lime fjord you have to change your role. in the bot chanel type "/rank then pick the server your on

[lime fjord]

ty 🙂

[little grotto]

Update:

Or OS with this

[fervent bramble]

my bm is is 183 and with consumables etc i can get around 18-20k str iirc 👀

[cursive pumice]

That was from 2 years ago bubba

[magic basin]

How to get this str??

[little grotto]

For 2nd screen its with BS encouragement ^^

But i can have way more strengh with consumables and domestication set (i'm using equipment without this skill but with CP stones)