Full Metal Gantry

[heady solar]

I found m3x37 and m3x40. but not 38mm :(

[shut pewter]

Sounds like a terrible idea

[unreal lake]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-gif-24718162

You are no fun Turtle

[shut pewter]

How do you plan to retain the belts on a post at higher tension

[inner cedar]

38mm is correct, but it will throw your belt 3mm from parallel

Not to mention how you would need to use a metal clamp to clamp the belt.

[unreal lake]

The center slot in the vz toolhead requires one to push the belt through the slot loop it around a piece of filament then return it back through the same slot, thus the belt sits a hair under half a belt thickness from the center of the slot.. wrapping it around a post that shares the same center as the slot will put the belt in the same position as stock.. but please don't assume that I am not making modifications to the standoff.. as for belt retention well it will still be some form teeth meshing against teeth being held fast.. but I haven't gotten that far yet..

[heady solar]

how not? it should work fine

[inner cedar]

The hole is not center. Is slightly offset to accommodate for the belt. If you wrap it around an m3 standoff which is 5 or 6mm. The belt path will no longer be parallel.

[heady solar]

right... well, the offset wont create too many artifacts right?

[shut pewter]

you cannot keep the triangle gap tight, might move weird

and you have to rely on a clamp 100% to hold the belts

also do not have any way to prevent the belts from walking up and down

[unreal lake]

... but please donot assume I am not making modifications to the standoff...

Damn that double negative lol

[unreal lake]

What you will find interesting is that the two pieces that retain the belts in the VZeroG toolhead are not mirror images of each other, but are actually the same part flipped 180 degrees on the Z axis.. you are right that they aren't perfectly centered but they aren't even perfectly inline with each other.. unless I got a lemon part from Mellow.. which is possible.. either way the modification I will make to the standoff is exactly to address both the issues you and Turtle have pointed out..

[heady solar]

You could make little standoffs for the belts to rest on

[raven plume]

Lets Go 😍

[unreal lake]

Yeah I got two identical pieces in mine.. 😭

[unreal lake]

Which one is left and which one is right?

[inner cedar]

Top is left bottom is right.

[frank obsidian]

Thay are the exact same pieces

U just rotate it differently

[unreal lake]

Well @inner cedar's parts are mirror images, mine weren't

[frank obsidian]

Huh? How

[unreal lake]

If you look at his pics you will see that the slit is actually offset by a fraction of a mm

[frank obsidian]

Oh right I newer noticed that

[unreal lake]

On his that offset is mirrored

On mine those two pieces are identical

[frank obsidian]

What should the thicker part face?

The gantry?

[unreal lake]

It really doesn't bother me as the modifications I am making to the standoff I am replacing it with should take care of that..

[unreal lake]

It's looking like the thicker part should face the gantry?

[frank obsidian]

Are u gona make little tubes that slide onto the stanoff so the belts dont ride up or down and have the same spacing?

[inner cedar]

Yes

[unreal lake]

I like where you are going, but no lol

[frank obsidian]

Why?

[unreal lake]

It will add weight

[frank obsidian]

.5g

Id rather add a bit of weight to have highr quality prints

[spark gate]

weight reduction is not beneficial if it reduces structural integrity or causes any other sort of unwanted movements
An extremely heavy but perfectly rigid system will perform better than an extremely lightweight but wobbly system

[unreal lake]

I am aware of this, it is the principle behind almost every machine in a machineshop.. our 3D printers are aluminium and plastic nonsense compared to anything truly rigid..

[ocean yoke]

Different tasks uses different approaches and weight/rigidity/speed ratios

[broken venture]

Whats structural integrity? XD

[orchid marsh]

Stainless Steel Beta Frame when

[broken venture]

Forklift to move it around when?

[unreal lake]

There is a guy on youtube that build a core xy out of steel box tubing...

But that won't be me lol

[ocean yoke]

Milled from the single cube, with rails

[unreal lake]

I can tell ya with all the stainless I have in Merc2 it ain't gonna be light...

[sour rock]

how much of a bad idea it is to use 3 0.1mm shims instead of a 0.3mm one?

[unreal lake]

Can you measure it? Even with a vernier?

[inner cedar]

I think it's fine, it's just a shim and I think it's mentioned as an option in the instructions

Maybe it's not, but I still think it would be ok.

[shut pewter]

Should be just fine

I mainly added them as optional for those who want to dial in the bearings and heights to have zero play

[sour rock]

thinking of using only 0.1mm ones, a 100 pack should be enough to fill the bom requirements

[shut pewter]

Yeah, will be fine

I originally was going to use a single 0.1 under the toothed idler

But that wasn't enough to allow it to spin smoothly

[atomic ingot]

you can even finetune the amount

[pallid quest]

@shut pewter a retaining compound that has a temp range up to 143c will be fine? Also don’t need more than medium strength?

[shut pewter]

I think that will be fine

[broken venture]

@shut pewter Remember that endstop 😉

[broken venture]

Hmmm, do I print it in black or red.....

[inner cedar]

Rainbow

[lavish sinew]

Got my metal now I only need to buy the parts on AliExpress

[tender token]

😍

Little too much lol. Can make two x gantry's😅

[shut pewter]

Finish looks decent

How's the pin fit

If it's to tight, I use a spare pin as a reamer in a cordless drill

I tried actual reamers and they made the hole to loose. Even using a 4.9mm and 4.85mm reamer

[lavish sinew]

I'm missing one part

[tender token]

what am I missing

[lavish sinew]

no I'm missing a part

[ocean yoke]

you or your project?

[tender token]

finish looks indeed very decent! and especially for free parts lol. Fitment looks oke. Pin fit is perfect. not too loose not too tight. dont have to drill. btw smart thinking using a spare dowel to increase the hole size

[tender token]

ohh what are you missing?

you have some bad luck these past days @lavish sinew

[lavish sinew]

yep I know

front towers

[tender token]

ai that sucks. I have spare X joint parts not front tower parts

would have sent you otherwise

What to do. Print the printable parts of the front towers red, black or red with black? Have red spacers and rollers. And should I spray paint the metal parts or leave em as is. Finish is nice though

[lavish sinew]

@tender token how do you have your x stop?

[shut pewter]

I like the front tower printed parts to be the opposite of the aluminum parts

And printed spacers the same color

[tender token]

so Red 😎

[tender token]

oeh thats nice. I ordered red spacers and rollers. so printed red would be a bit too much maybe

[tender token]

damn these 9mm belts and setup look next level man. makes me wonder if I made the right choice lol

[shut pewter]

It's only different spacers and xjoint plates to switch later

[tender token]

thats true. not that big of a change.

so bearings are the same? just a bit more apart

[shut pewter]

9mm adds bearings

I might make a bom table/check list for that

[tender token]

aha noted..

[shut pewter]

Upgrading from 6mm metal gantry to 9mm

[tender token]

oehh that would be nice.

like tinkering. haha.

[tender token]

@shut pewter How much tension needs to be set at with the full metal gantry 6mm belts?

[shut pewter]

I'll find a link later

At work

[tender token]

no worries. thanks appreciate it

[shut pewter]

Here is a link to a good belt tension calculator tool, make a copy of it so you can edit all of the fields.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fT7alw6z3mBWBkmozEQhDM7Rl-N0iJ1WaYI6ABlss9M/edit?gid=727866794#gid=727866794'

[shut pewter]

@tender token

[tender token]

thanks!!! will have a look!

[pallid quest]

Can anyone recommend an AliExpress store for the standoffs and spacers?

[shut pewter]

I have those in the readme

[pallid quest]

Thanks, another case of RTFM

[shut pewter]

I tried to cover as much as I could without doing a full build manual

I just didn't put the links in the bom since ali links do not link to the options needed

Plus they break/change fairly often

So fewer things to maintain by just including a section with links for sourcing parts

[pallid quest]

Yea I saw them I just always scrolled passed them lol

[frank obsidian]

First batch came the finnish is soooo good

[tender token]

Whoops. That's a bit too much 🤣

[frank obsidian]

Gime lol

Or I can sell plates and u sell hardware

[tender token]

where you located

[frank obsidian]

slovakia

center eu

[tender token]

gonna cost more for me to send that for you to order 😅

[frank obsidian]

yea lol

[tender token]

shiatt forgot the 5x7x0.3 shims

only have 5x7x1.0

[frank obsidian]

sand em down🤣

[tender token]

haha wish it was that simple

ugh have to wait again

Looking nice though!

[ocean yoke]

You can print temporary shims I guess

[tender token]

@shut pewter are you sure the shims tha supposed to be here are 5x7x0.3?

[tender token]

nahh i'll wait. printers are up and running

[ocean yoke]

Fair enough

[inner cedar]

Powge idler may be different from gates. But .3 was perfect on the gates idler.

[shut pewter]

There is a reason I added 0.1mm shims as optional

So you can dial in the stacks

But also yeah I only modeled gates idlers for now

[tender token]

Aha I didn't notice that they are slightly different.

[spark gate]

the standoffs are designed for gates idlers
which have a different height from powge ones

I have to do the standoffs for the powge idlers no matter, I can send them to you when I'm done

[tender token]

Yeah I missed that part. It's Allright I'll order gates idlers and shims. Have to have 5x7 anyways. Notices I have 5x10 even with 1 mm width that doesn't work. Idler will lock up

[tender token]

Appreciate that man

[tender token]

Thanks for clarifying.. Need to pay more attention 🤣

[frank obsidian]

do u know if the west 3d idlers are the same height as gates?

[spark gate]

the poge ones work
the spacers just need to have a little different length

I cant do the new ones now, have to go and head to the clubhouse
bar needs to be manned
I can either do it after that or tomorrow (I have to do them soonish no matter what since my metal parts are already on the way XD)

[spark gate]

btw, if you need the 26mm pins, I also have 100, we can check what shipping from germany to you would be

[frank obsidian]

thanks but I ordered 25mm ones

[shut pewter]

Just adjust the shim stacks as needed

[tender token]

think i'll do that. unless I find a reliable source for Gates idlers on Ali. Have to order the shims anyway

these are the ones right? @shut pewter

[shut pewter]

Yup

[tender token]

Cool I'll order these. thanks my man

forgot the 5x10x3 alu spacers as well 🤣 sjees, this does not happen often

think i'll use some m5 washers. works too

[shut pewter]

Mine still has washers

[tender token]

seen the pic 😅 found some!

unfortunately not in red

[shut pewter]

I have red ones ready to install

[tender token]

where did you get those from

[shut pewter]

Amazon

[tender token]

oehh lemme check

[shut pewter]

Just search ali for m5 aluminum washer

They have 4mm for metric plates as well

Your want 4mm if your plates are 3mm thick

[tender token]

4mm 🙂

[tender token]

you have the link ?

[shut pewter]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_m078AdI

[tender token]

found it!

[tender token]

haha thanks my man!

aight should have everything now. Thanks for the help guys. got all the original parts, plus ordered the 0.1 shims as well just in case

now what to do with 4x 6mm Powge idlers 🤭

[shut pewter]

And gates are not required at all. Just what I used. And to add setups for other specs would have delayed the release

[tender token]

I understand. I would not do it any different

[shut pewter]

Figured shims could cover the rest for now

[tender token]

but do want to do it as per your design.

[shut pewter]

Gates is the tallest that I have had myself

[tender token]

true that. but not if you are stubborn like me haha

[frank obsidian]

@tender token 3mm is for imperial plates and 4mm is for metric

[tender token]

yes that's right. I need metric

[shut pewter]

With 3mm on metric the bolt would just touch the bottom of the extrusion.

[tender token]

@frank obsidian 👍

[blissful creek]

Powge isn't gates profile

[spark gate]

I know
but if they have worked well before why would you replace them?

[blissful creek]

Because they don't work well. Look at the above kek

[spark gate]

what if someone has powge belts?
I guess powge idlers would be beneficial in this case

[blissful creek]

Powge belts are for powge idlers.

They do sell gates though too

[spark gate]

see?

[blissful creek]

Doesn't matter here majority use gates so don't use powge pulleys it's simple.

[tender token]

Been using powge like forever. Never had any issues.

Difference is negligible

[sour rock]

same

[spark gate]

Me too

No debris on the idler
No wear on the belt

[atomic ingot]

I use gates and am very happy with them

[shut pewter]

Modded the mounts in my black merc, though its the red merc that really needs this mod...

I need to figure out an easy way to include this mod in the files without breaking things. This involved changing the main sketch which doesnt allow changing both at the same time.

[lavish sinew]

why are you trying to make jealous

[sour rock]

xometry parts arrived, even without any finishing they seem to do some light sanding on the edges

I might actually order more from them in the future

[spark gate]

Mine arrived as well
Some scratches on the surface
But not a big deal
Gonna airbrush them no matter what

[shut pewter]

If the fit and quality is good I will add them to the readme as a sourcing option

[spark gate]

Quality seems to be good
There are tabs on there(which is to be expected if you only select bead blasting as post processing)
Other than that fine

[shut pewter]

Sendcutsend parts have tabs as well

[spark gate]

I know, I mean it is to be expected, they have to fixate them somehow

I just used a file to remove the ones on the lower pieces for the tensioners since they were in the front and thus pushing the plate back relative to the printed piece

How far along are you with the modded printed parts for the stepper towers XD?

[shut pewter]

That will be a ways out

I need to focus on enclosure for a bit now

[spark gate]

ah shoot

[shut pewter]

And think about how to save out the step files with all the options

[spark gate]

any way you could send me the not cleaned up files XD
Would prefer to not tear down my printer twice XD
(well I have about 3 weeks till the frame is here)

[shut pewter]

I just hacked the files to get it done on my end. But it broke things

Just cut the current step files in cad

It's not that hard to do

[blissful creek]

we both know what channel this is going to.

[shut pewter]

Lol

[spark gate]

I can do that
I just figured I'd ask first :)

I'm trying to do most of the work myself and not offloading it to other people
I mostly ask for opinions/tips
Only way I can improve my CAD game is by getting feedback :)

[shut pewter]

I also don't love the design I did for it, but just wanted to get it printed

[spark gate]

hm

let me see what I can come up with

[shut pewter]

I could have spent another hour to make mine pretty

[spark gate]

I also have to figure out how to connect the third post to the frame
was thing of doing something like a blind joint with m3 screw and washers

cause I dont think a m5 will fit there, too tight with the belts from what the cad looks like right?

[shut pewter]

That's an m5?

[spark gate]

no I mean the backmost pin

the one that's still in there in the second picture

[shut pewter]

I wouldn't worry about it

[spark gate]

I have the extrusion
why not use it
I dont think adding a m3 screw and some washers is gonna be that hard
Just have to do it before installing the extrusion

I wont countersink the holes anyways, not needed so it saves work and countersinking a hole is "easy" "uncountersinking" it is kind of hard XD

(the ones for the posts)

btw are you running 41 or 42mm pins since they are sticking out the top

[shut pewter]

Just tapped flush to the tops

They are bom spec

[spark gate]

hm

I should have gotten unthreaded m3 spacers and long screws
I know you're gonna tell me to not worry about it
but I prefer to do it overkill as long as it doesnt cost more money
(or cost is negligible)

[inner cedar]

I just did an M3 50mm and a t nut there. Replaced the standoff with a spacer.

[spark gate]

that's the easiest solution
But that requires buying a spacer and a long screw XD

[inner cedar]

You could thread a long screw through the standoff if you have one.both parts are inexpensive

[spark gate]

dual threads are suboptimal

can bind

[inner cedar]

They can, that’s why I used a spacer.

I have so many spacers and standoffs I’ll never use them all. Vendor kept sending me wrong color and sizes but they refunded me.

[spark gate]

is that a 5 or 6mm od spacer?

[inner cedar]

6mm

Gt3 fits through without rubbing.

[tender token]

sjeez that looks so sweet

still on the old STL i see. well if it works

[sour rock]

didn't notice any tabs on my parts let me get some pictures

[long bloom]

@shut pewter I wonder how your graphs compare now with full metal gantry vs fully printed one? Do you have examples please?

[deft plover]

did you engrave that pattern on it?

[frank obsidian]

yeah he has a laser

[deft plover]

a fiber laser??

[shut pewter]

Fiber laser

Mopa

Pew pew

[deft plover]

😮

kewl

[frank obsidian]

yea iirc

[shut pewter]

I've done them for a few members

[frank obsidian]

confirmed

im eu🥲

[deft plover]

might as well just build your own laser 😦

[frank obsidian]

lol

I dont need it

[deft plover]

"ohhh nooo, i guess i have no other option"

[frank obsidian]

xeometry can engrave IIRC

[frank obsidian]

lol

[shut pewter]

I didn't have clean graphs before or after on my black merc. Y still has a second spike. But precursors shapers both look good and did improve with the metal gantry upgrade

I have not found the cause of the second spike yet

[deft plover]

is this what the static resonance thing is for?

[long bloom]

I have graph problems as well and we'll need someone to help troubleshoot them.

Started sourcing metal parts meanwhile...

[broken venture]

Before

After

[deft plover]

probably a missing pulley

[frank obsidian]

that x👀 👀 👀

[frank obsidian]

I dont think itd work lol

[deft plover]

Zeus would lose a pulley and still get IS graphs like that lmao

[deft plover]

hey you got the joke

[half dagger]

Finally got my parts that were relatively close in size. Only for them to be terribly cut. Going to scrap those too.

[heady solar]

just an fyi for you all:
the stepper tower top and bottom plates have two holed which is 1mm smaller for the dowel pins.

[shut pewter]

Thats covered a little better in the old pdf for the metal stepper mounts

at some point I will do a updated guide like I did for the stepper mounts, with more details

@heady solar only the bottom plates, so the pins do not fall out

[heady solar]

right. I just barelllyyy missed it

almost shipped mismatched parts to ppl

thanks to bigblue for noticing

[queen pagoda]

Yeah, even SendCutSend missed this, fortunately, they have great customer service and resent the missed parts.

[unreal lake]

Been there too, but totally my fault. I had the wrong quantities set, so I got 4 4mm holed plates and two 5mm.. 3D printed a jig to hold the plate and my drill guide true and drilled out the 4mm holes to 5mm..

[wintry marsh]

Shear support here we come lol

[silver aurora]

Should do 9mm also

[wintry marsh]

I'm using the vz printhead so I'll stick with 6mm to use up what belts I have. I'll make the switch once a mod to fit 9mm belts comes for the aluminum vzprinthead

I'll swap the 6mm setup to my open frame and convert the enclosure to 9mm once the time comes.

[frank obsidian]

Xeometry bead blasting vs no finnish

[atomic ingot]

[tender token]

bruhhh this is sexy af

[tender token]

Whooop whoop!!!!!

[spark gate]

Funny thing about the bead blasting:
I spray painted mine to test something and then removed it again with acetone
Now it's a lighter color

[inner cedar]

If anyone needs the remixed X endstop for LW Gantry and Metal X joints

Just changed the dimensions and recessed the screw

[shut pewter]

I posted one for the pro, didnt get to the plus yet.

[inner cedar]

I made a different one for the 400mm bed, but only a few have those. If they need it, I’ll send it.

[rough stream]

I'll need it. 👍

[inner cedar]

Thinking about switching the 400 to the first merc, vz doesn't reach all the way to the front. XOL and SB reaches all of the bed

It's fine either way I guess

[tender token]

👌👌👌👌😎

[atomic ingot]

Getting everything ready for assembly today, plates will be delivered today, and realised I ordered m3x10 standoffs instead of spacers....
Soooo friendly reminder to properly check BOM and your order list on Aliexpress 😄

[onyx sable]

What is the biggest benefit of doing the full metal gantry? 🤔

[spark gate]

Weight reduction and stiffer

[atomic ingot]

probably the biggest benefit is it being stiffer

weight is negligible

[heady solar]

wdym? it refuces an entire 5g!! so amazing!! 😂

srsly tho it is cool that it technically ways less than stock

[shut pewter]

That's per side, 10g total

For those chasing every gram, that's a solid savings. For most it doesn't matter.

[atomic ingot]

Have to wait for the proper length bolts for the tension towers. But installed the x gantry joints now

[spark gate]

Aren't the tensioners just the stock bolts?

[atomic ingot]

no

[spark gate]

Wait bolt as in screw?
Or bolt as in pin?

[atomic ingot]

4 bolts to hold it all together from the bottom

I forgot I don't have those

[spark gate]

Ahh
Thought pin
Mb

But:
Looks really nice

[atomic ingot]

Oooh nah 😄 Came to the realisation today, while waiting for my xometry package, that I don't have the 20mm long m3's

[atomic ingot]

thanks

The whole printer except the frame is getting redone... Including electronics

[spark gate]

Shoot

[tender token]

why?

[last ocean]

Today feels like christmas 🥳

[atomic ingot]

Was having issues with my electronics, and switching to 48v.
Kraken motors, btt kraken board, uhp350-48 and uhp350-24

[sudden kite]

Where do you guys get your metal gantry parts and how much is the cost for it all?

[shut pewter]

Metal plates run about $100

Hardware I didn't really add up

[tender token]

Naisss... Going all out I see. So you'd be getting the 5160 plus as wel? 😎

[shut pewter]

Xometry outside the us, sendcutsend in the us.

[last ocean]

Depends where you're from. I'm from Germany and got my parts from Xometry. Original price was ~120€ with bead blasting but they recently had a 100€ off coupon

[atomic ingot]

Kraken board has integrated drivers, 2160. Everything we use from 5160 minus all the features we don't use for printers

[sudden kite]

im looking at ur github for the DXF files and im wondering if you would recommend 9mm or 6mm?

[shut pewter]

Depends on if the toolhead you want to run supports 9mm or not

[sudden kite]

that would make sense. i think xol does support 9mm but im just not sure what the benifit is and if its worth going bigger

[ocean yoke]

Your packaging looks like one sent from ada lovelace street

[shut pewter]

Larger bearing with the live idler will hold up better under high belt tension

But you will need steppers with longer shafts that can also be setup for double shear to handle higher tension

[sudden kite]

so it will cost me more gotcha

prob better to just stick with 6mm then

already have the idlers for it

and steppers

[shut pewter]

The double shear bearing on the steppers is a good upgrade for 6 or 9mm.

But you can always do that later

[sudden kite]

though I might as well cross it off if im already gonna rebuild the gantry

is there a bom for 9mm or do i just need to do some digging for what i need

[tender token]

aha I did not know that. sweet

[frank obsidian]

it was like 110 for me

[broken venture]

@calm cosmos The lightweight rail is now a part of the record holding merc, good job, holding up amazingly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV6UaswLptI

[frank obsidian]

SPONSOR HIM!!!!!!!

give him an lh stinger

[swift rapids]

@broken venture at 3:20 - 3:43, why is it slowing down on that move on the front of the benchy?

It's fkin nuts though!!!

[heady solar]

im going to make that printer obsolete 😈

[blissful creek]

U wish

[heady solar]

well dont tempt me 😏

[blissful creek]

I'm not just putting respect on LHs name lmao

[heady solar]

right. I didnt mean that srsly, sorry. dont get me wrong, lemurs contributions wont go unnoticed. hes made an impressive printer 👀
Im also working on a bed slinger, which was heavily inspired by the lh stinger. I do hope to surpass it one day tho

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-maybe-some-day-someday-one-day-gif-26036494

[broken venture]

Ain't gonna lie, I posted this in the wrong channel XD

[meager laurel]

Im probably stupid asking this but what are these extra parts for?

[frank obsidian]

Double sheer bearing

To support the motor shaft to accept more tension

[meager laurel]

is it only for motors with longer shafts?

[spark gate]

Yes

[frank obsidian]

u need at least 40mm shafts

[deft plover]

Soon I’m sure they’ll have made enough we don’t even need to mention it

[deft plover]

“No Finnish”

Rob declaring war on Finland

[frank obsidian]

😂

[deft plover]

Did your plates come correct the first time?

[frank obsidian]

Yeah

[deft plover]

Well that gives me some hope

[ocean yoke]

Snce there is no Finland he will be transferred to asylum

[deft plover]

… am I just too American to get this one, I’m illiterate with world politics

[ocean yoke]

Sorry thats an old meme about how Finland doesnt exists, it is just a conspiracy and here is only a sea where japan fish

[queen pagoda]

Would the new Kraken V2 motors work with the shear support files? They now have 5mm X 37mm shafts.

[broken venture]

They should

I have enough shaft poking through with my 40mm versions

[shut pewter]

Easy to check in cad, I'm at work though

[frank obsidian]

V2???

[queen pagoda]

Yes the next batch are noted as v2 and have a 37mm shaft and no pulley included

[inner cedar]

Where did they announce the V2 at?

I’m assuming it’s their discord. They put it behind Patreon subscription.

[blissful creek]

they didnt really 🤣

https://peedee3d.com/products/kraken-by-omranello-1-8-ldo-42sth60-3004ah

[inner cedar]

I've been watching the wrong site aparantly lol

[queen pagoda]

Yeah the only reason I knew was because I was going to buy them off PeeDee's site and I saw V2.

[broken venture]

Black thermistor wires now? Buy them just for the wiring XD

They havent updated the stats sheets tho. Still the 40mm shaft verisons

[frank obsidian]

are there any downsides to a round shaft instead of d cut?

[inner cedar]

Round may be able to handle more force. I don’t think it will matter much if you add the bottom bearing.

[blissful creek]

From Left to Right, 5mm Round Shaft Double Shear, 5mm Round, 5mm D, 8mm Round Double Shear, 8mm round, 8mm D
28
Simulation results with 265N 20mm up on 25mm long shaft. Corresponds to 9mm GT3 Belt wrapped around a pulley
29
Differences from the calculation forumala are due to L/D being only 5, and end fixity differences

Damn wasn't tested double shear + d shaft smh

[frank obsidian]

yeah deffinitely but I meant like if it made aligning the pulley harder or something

[last ocean]

Aligning the pulley shouldn't be a problem with either type of shaft, the only problem I see would be the possibility of the pulley spinning on the shaft during high accelerations

My stepperonline motors aren't here yet but I'm probably going to grind the shafts down just to be sure

[pallid quest]

Nah it’s easier cause you can tighten it up anywhere

[frank obsidian]

ah nice then

deffo gitting round shafts

[blissful creek]

More likely to slip though....

[heady solar]

where do u work?

[blissful creek]

Machine shop lmfao. The engineering title is a scam.

[shut pewter]

Only partial scam

I have the title associate engineer

[blissful creek]

Engineering is all about a scam of a piece of paper smh

[spark gate]

Are you having a burgo moment again😂

[shut pewter]

when isnt he?

[amber cobalt]

I've worked as a machinist for 27 years. More in production for the last 20. Piece work for the first 7. 15 before that as a mechanic in military. With engine repair shop.

I want a cert.

[heady solar]

Ive been a full time dumbass for almost 17 years with a certification in stupidity and graduated from foolish college

[amber cobalt]

What state do you live in?

[heady solar]

ks

[deft plover]

goofy question, but should I be using shrinkage compensation for the printed parts?

[shut pewter]

no, just adjust hole comp in slicer if needed for a good pin fit

[blissful creek]

@mitsubishimakes

[shut pewter]

[sudden kite]

I’m going for my mechanical engineering degree currently, so I really hope it’s not a scam

[ocean yoke]

One might hope it is a scam, if one is ready to scam other people

[sudden kite]

Fair enough I suppose. I’m not sure what I plan on doing after I get my degree, It’s just my best option considering my skills and interests and I have no better ideas

[hushed onyx]

A degree is a very expensive piece of paper that tells employers you can follow directions. As long as you can keep your curiosity and creativity though the process, the ability to know which equation to look up is worth it. You may have to work somewhere boring that pays well for ten years to pay it off though.

[sudden kite]

Yeah that’s what I’m afraid of, I don’t want to be stuck somewhere lame for a while and waste time but I’m hoping for the best for now and doing what I can to achieve it

[orchid marsh]

Depends where you are in the world. Engineer is job title in some parts, in others it holds legitimate value once you get your p.eng.

[sudden kite]

I’m in Florida so I’m thinking I’ll maybe start with theme park engineering of some sort, does that sound like a good idea?

[orchid marsh]

You can DM me or move to general so we don’t flood this channel with discussions of what is an engineer again 😂.

But anything that’s gets your foot in the door with projects under your portfolio is a good idea imo. As long as your keep your degree broad in mechanical engineering, it’ll keep your options open. Including working with roller coasters.

[ruby pike]

where can i buy this kit?

[raven plume]

I bought it over xometry but you need to give them the drawings that you can find here https://github.com/TurtleCrawler/Mercury-One.1---Full-Metal-Gantry/tree/main .

[ruby pike]

Perfect!!!

Thanks so much!

[raven plume]

No problem!

[silk laurel]

what does th 9mm gantry mean and 6mm?

[shut pewter]

Belt size

Most tool heads are made for 6mm belts

[silk laurel]

ok, thank you bro, iss the aliexpress kit worth it, or should i self source the metal parts?

[spark gate]

There is no Ali kit

Why is no one reading stuff XD
#important-updates message

@shut pewter
Dumb question:
Why do the spacers for the tension towers have a bigger od than the ones for the xy joints?

[broken venture]

At this rate I just tell them to send it and dont come back complaining when shit doesnt work right ever

[shut pewter]

I made them separate and didn't cross check values

[unreal lake]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

Actually I might partially enjoy hearing the B!#ing, moaning and potentially catastrophic FAILure

[silk laurel]

Sorry, I don't have time to read every note, I have printers to fix;)

[spark gate]

Ok
Still, Ali kits are bad

[spark gate]

So it's just a
Doesn't freaking matter
Does the size of the x-y joints spacers matter?
Otherwise I'm gonna adjust them to my washers🤔

[shut pewter]

Nope

Just spacers

[spark gate]

Off to scope creep town

[frank obsidian]

any recomendations on print settings? or does it not matter as thyre not structural?

[spark gate]

standard ZeroG print settings

[frank obsidian]

kk

[hushed onyx]

I see people crapping on spelling for the docs above. Are they still in development or did I just miss them in the repo?

[shut pewter]

I had several typos at first, most should be fixed now. I haven't had time lately to push more fixes though.

[hushed onyx]

I guess I'm just dumb. I can't find the docs.

[shut pewter]

The readme files on the github

There are more readme files in the sub directories

As for a more in depth guide that will be awhile

[hushed onyx]

Oh, thanks for your patience. I did not think to look down in the STL directories. I am so used to using git±hub for just version control, that did not even occur to my. Thanks

[shut pewter]

I didn't want to have a mile long readme in the first page

So the first one is a general overview

[inner cedar]

Input shaper is showing 40K accel recommended on a 5 plus, just started tuning it.

Y is better than X oddly. hollow rail, lw gantry and zerogcnc

[blissful creek]

that doesnt sound right post graphs

[inner cedar]

It's not pretty

well X is a cleaner graph, but has a lower accel recommendation

[shut pewter]

Ugly input shapers are known to show high accel values

[inner cedar]

Trying to clean this up before I mess with the input shaping

[blissful creek]

increase ur accel_per_hz:150

its way too low

[inner cedar]

Any adjustments I make improves X, but Y stays the same

[blissful creek]

First peak is mount in Y looks like

Increase the accel per hz for X testing thougg

Try 170

[inner cedar]

Found a nasty rattle from one of the wire ties. going to fix that first

sounded like rattle snake on speed

[blissful creek]

Try 200. And just do the X

[blissful creek]

220 lmao

[blissful creek]

try 230.

thats pretty much it

[blissful creek]

this is correct.

the 220hz 1

[inner cedar]

ok, thanks

[meager laurel]

What does increasing that do?

[pallid quest]

If my 5mm dowel pins are a little loose in the plates is there a way to shim it or hold it, or am I thinking about that too much and it doesn’t matter?

[blissful creek]

Use retaining compound loctite 641 I recommend

[blissful creek]

Increase the amount of shake. It's for more rigid setups

[meager laurel]

How do you know what the right hz is?

[blissful creek]

Mainly looking at the graph

A bits intuition at this point

[meager laurel]

What is the belt free span length value that goes in the excel?
Or does anyone know what the recommended hz for the FMG on 5pro is?

[tender token]

Almost done... Awaiting the standoff for the towers.

[frank obsidian]

@shut pewter I accidentaly ordered 2 6mm bottom stepper tower plates instead of 3mm would it be possible to drill out the 4mm holes to 5mm halfway for the dowel pins and use just 1 plate on the bottom?

Seems like itd work

[shut pewter]

I doubt I could do that while holding the tolerance I would want with just a drill press myself.

With a mil it's possible

Or if you use a good counter bore bit

[frank obsidian]

Ill align it with a 4mm drill bit and then swap to 5mm

[frank obsidian]

Whats that?

[shut pewter]

Just Google the words I said

[frank obsidian]

How does it work?

That little pin on top is as a guide and the rest cuts?

[shut pewter]

Yup

I am not sure if it would hold true enough in just a drill press

[shut pewter]

You can just use 150. It's just the span you want to tune the hz at.

[meager laurel]

Ah ok. Thanks

[velvet elbow]

Assembly time !

[pallid quest]

Who did you get your plates through?

[velvet elbow]

I used Aus Laser Cut - they’re in west Footscray vic

Min order was 120 iirc but I got full set of 6mm and 9mm plates both the top and front mounts

[pallid quest]

That seems average or less than for price. I got a set for the 9mm cut out of 304 stainless. Was $3 more than aluminium so thought why not. It’s a bit rough. Might hit up Aus laser cut tomorrow. Thank you.

[velvet elbow]

Np

[heady solar]

that is incredibly cheap dang

[atomic ingot]

When I checked a laser cutter in Poland it was only 36 euro for everything minus the stepper towers.

[last ocean]

It's finally alive!

[shut pewter]

The all silver and black setup looks clean

[last ocean]

The colors are a little bit all over the place right now. The original build theme was black and green but now I have some spare black and red ABS-GF from my voron build that I'm using

Seems like my new Z2 preload X-rail needs some time to break in tho

[frank obsidian]

ill be doing black standoffs with a black vz cnc + black lw gantry w silver plates and gray printed inserts

[broken venture]

I have my silver gantry...... could go silver beta frame 😉

[inner cedar]

It looks nice, I'm doing the same thing. All silver with black accent

[inner cedar]

Did you compare your belts and fix any issues there first?

[inner cedar]

Colors I’m using.

[last ocean]

That's the belt graph, I'm not really sure how to read it

[broken venture]

Looks like it needs a suit and tie XD

[inner cedar]

Classy

R.I.P. Ender 6, I got two full sets of Beta printer parts out of it before it's demise

Technically 3, I ditched the first set.

[shut pewter]

That's really good, don't mess with it

[last ocean]

That's what I was thinking too, definitely a lot better than the printed motion system with 6mm belts

[inner cedar]

Nice

[broken venture]

Now you gotta work on those bumps XD

[frank obsidian]

the color i want my beta in

[last ocean]

Damn, those are super clean

[wintry marsh]

That's the cleanest iv ever seen!

[frank obsidian]

not enough fo rhim lol

[broken venture]

Nope

[frank obsidian]

see

I knew it

[last ocean]

How do you even manage to get these graphs?

[frank obsidian]

💸

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[blissful creek]

that second y peak is defnetely weird.

cables or something resonating

[broken venture]

It was the same with you know what

I think its the cpap tube

[blissful creek]

take off the tube.

wait they can't design for shit

[broken venture]

I need a better strain relief that holds the tube too

Mine was a 3am drunk very dirty cad

The oh shit i need that thing part

[wintry marsh]

@broken venture

I made this monstrosity. I have the beta frame and have an extra extrusion at the back so needed a way to mount the cpap hose through it. Uses some reusable velcro "zip ties" to hold everything together

That's a test print, so bad quality lol

Goes right there

[ocean yoke]

now you have to connect your cpap through the extrusion

[wintry marsh]

Between the two extrusions yes. But with the 3mm panel on the back behind the hydra upright it gets too narrow for the cpap hose to go through without squishing so I needed to make this, and have some decent support.

[ocean yoke]

nonono, through the hole in the middle of extrusion! I know there is a hole somewhere 🙂

[pallid quest]

That’s AUD too so USD would be about $70-$80

[velvet elbow]

Now that I’ve got sets for the 9mm mod I guess I’ll have to force myself to make another one

[pallid quest]

Beta frame helps with that

[broken venture]

I refuse

You cannot tempt me

[pallid quest]

You can get it any colour cheap just need to wait, feel like you are 4-5 weeks into the 11 week lead time

[broken venture]

You know me, I want the best I can get

[pallid quest]

Can’t tempt you if you already have purchased

[broken venture]

I havent purchased anything

Got bigger things to work on

[pallid quest]

I’ll be putting my metal gantry stuff together this weekend

[broken venture]

What motors you running again?

Normals or thick / long bois

[pallid quest]

Yea 8mm 2504s

9mm gt3

I’ve got stainless rod that doesn’t need sanding down for pulleys or bearings or idlers, just need to cut it to size

And stainless plates

[broken venture]

Thats hawt

[blissful creek]

except extra backers to ur frame for rigidity

[broken venture]

Im allowed to cheat a little

Be happy I havent ordered any for the front yet XD

I also just swapped out the screws for rainbows for the hate

https://tenor.com/view/swag-gif-23409610

[spark gate]

@frank obsidian since you asked about the airbrushed pieces
Airbrush didn't work out (most likely cause the nozzle was too small for the color I wanted to use)
But spray can is working exceptionally well

It's just matte unfortunately
Maybe I can get away with thinning the color more in the airbrush
But I don't think that's the solution either

[tender token]

we have made a cpap mount for the beta hydra enclosure

so you wont need the extra extrusion. would be a waste of bed space tbh

[wintry marsh]

I'm not wasting any bed space.

[tender token]

if you say so 🙂

[wintry marsh]

All I did was add that extra extrusion at the back. I'll put a panel on the back of the hydra upright, making a pocket in the back to accept the power supplies and cpap. Just going to mount the cpap turbo the same was the vzbot does

[tender token]

ah its in the back

[wintry marsh]

Yesirrr

[spark gate]

Why did you add that extrusion?

[tender token]

i was wondering the same

hydra Z extrusion also extends

[spark gate]

Huh?

[tender token]

in the middle it seems

[spark gate]

I think that's just the cable arm
Hydra extrusions seems to be in place

[inner cedar]

I did this, less things to rattle.

[lavish sinew]

?

[inner cedar]

Plastic on top of extrusion, more screws means more things to come loose and rattle.

Lots of vibration on the upper extrusion

[rough stream]

Oh I thought you meant you invented a magical floating X gantry.

[shut pewter]

super lightweight xjoints

[inner cedar]

That would be out of my league

They were talking about cpap

[atomic ingot]

so finally able to do some tuning with the metal parts. Getting these weird Y axes shaper results, any thoughts? My max accel is really high but the graph is very spiky. (This is with the fans on max, hotend and part cooling)

[blissful creek]

Turn off ur fans.

[atomic ingot]

printer will be printing with them on so I want a representative shaper profile to be generated.

Never had this issue before, with printed gantry

[blissful creek]

No

The fans don't actually have that much is result effect

That looks like noise from fans being on since electrical.

[atomic ingot]

if thats the case then the X graph would have noise like that which it doesnt

[blissful creek]

Not really. Ur moving wires different ways both ways.

[spark gate]

@frank obsidian another update on the painted pieces
Spray paint is working exceptionally well
(If you are better at painting than I am it might work even better but it's looking really good)
I just used generic spray paint based on synthetic resin (not acrylic) since it's more scratch resistant

[frank obsidian]

Nice

[spark gate]

Concerning tolerances:
Unpainted piece:
3.18mm
Painted piece
3.2mm

[pallid quest]

Did you use etch primer or does the paint have a primer in it?

[frank obsidian]

#1246930108032225280 message

So we can use the krakens for 9mm belts

[atomic ingot]

Before full metal gantry

After full metal gantry

Still need to figure out my Y Axis, I feel like trying out normal profile again instead of the light weight gantry. But a very good improvement

[frank obsidian]

Propably something w the y rails

[atomic ingot]

could be anything related to the motion system really

[blissful creek]

the 125hz bump is prob cable/ umbilical mounting.

[atomic ingot]

yeah not worried about the last little bump there. just trying to figure out the messy downfall of the second big spike

[rough hazel]

What has everyone been paying for a full set of laser cut parts from sendcutsend? I uploaded one file and got a crazy price.

[blissful creek]

what is it?

in" or mm

[shut pewter]

90ish plus shipping usd

[heady solar]

you need to adjust the settings

but ye theyre pricey

[rough hazel]

$90 is very reasonable.

[heady solar]

for the full set? yeah

[hushed onyx]

Wow, I priced out OSH cut and it was $138. $90 sounds a lot more doable.

[heady solar]

make sure you select 3mm 7075 with no finish, processing, etc

[hushed onyx]

Do you pick the 7000 series for strength? I wouldn't imagine it cheaper than 5000.

[shut pewter]

Sendcutsend is the best option in the us

[amber cobalt]

To cut plates?

I have money for matching plates. Hint hint, wink wink

[shut pewter]

I did work out pricing

Just need to order parts

Haven't had time to sit down and make sure I have all the right stuff

[amber cobalt]

I have been returning pop cans for printer stuff 😄

So I'm ready 🙂

This plate going to be metal?

[heady solar]

yes. 7075 is the preferred option for strength.
im using 6061 because i got it cut locally and thats what they had but 7075 is better

[shut pewter]

No plans for that, haven't seen a need with the thicker revised ones for the beta frame.

7075 is what I recommend from sendcutsend and i know it works since that is the only material I have used myself.

[amber cobalt]

Just for a matching the rest of them. That's all

Suppose I could send them through my AMS. 🙂

[hushed onyx]

Wow, I don't think I am fully appreciating the forces on the mounts if the aluminum grade matters. I think I need to do some math. You guys are real hotroders.

[heady solar]

sorry, i didnt mean to come off that way 😅
your printer is yours to build. just wanted to inform you 🙂

[rough stream]

Out of curiosity, has anybody tried to use this to blacken their gantry parts?

[wintry marsh]

No, but if you try it, let me know how it works! If it works well I might try it too.

I have everything including the dye to anodize and dye my parts black when I get my full set. Guess we will find out how much work it is!

[hushed onyx]

No worries, I'm shooting for size and temperature so I'm not too worried about massive acceleration. I'm just tying to learn whats important from the experienced people. Thanks.

[heady solar]

are you going ultra high temp?

[hushed onyx]

I don't have any plans to go over 100°C chamber temp. My wallet is already crying. But most of the parts I've picked/bought are rated for <130°C.

[broken venture]

Longer Y extrusions for some added support in the rear. M3x50s and spacers ordered

[rough stream]

I got my 2504AH(S8-55)s and pulleys in today. 👍

[hushed onyx]

Oooh, I like that. Never felt great having the motor mounts hanging off the back.

[spark gate]

You also ordered m3x50 and spacers for that so you can also secure the rear post?

[broken venture]

Yeah

Give it a mounting point in the back

And technically the middle post too if I wanted

[spark gate]

So I suppose I should really modify the printed parts to accommodate for a 6mm od spacer in the middle🤔

[broken venture]

They make 5mm

[spark gate]

Oh
I read m5x50

[spark gate]

I only found 6mm ones
So I figured modifying the printed part is not that big of a deal

[broken venture]

I got both incase the rear ones wont work with the red 6mm OD ones

[spark gate]

Yeah I wanted black

Someone said they should work
I can check in a bit for you

[broken venture]

Theyre 1mm thicker than standoffs, so didnt know for sure

2 m3's should hold the towers down nicely, with those corner brackets holding the extrusions straight

No flex

Then wall mounts and we are gonna fly

[blissful creek]

Gr2 is Swiss cheese

https://tenor.com/view/firecheese-fire-cheese-mememachine-outerspacefrisbee-gif-21397219

[broken venture]

Oh man, I got some bad news for you then XD

[pallid quest]

I’d try it on a test piece, then give it a light scratch test after a day or 2.

[rough stream]

I've actually got a couple of throwaway parts that I'm testing it on right now. I did one part that I didn't prep correctly but it still blackened part of it pretty well. I've got everything now to do a more thorough and proper job later today. Wish me luck.

[pallid quest]

Is it a dye? I thought it was a touch up paint.

[rough stream]

It's actually a light blue chemical that reacts with the aluminum to blacken it. It's usually used on guns.

[spark gate]

Doesn't that give a blueish black?
Cause afaik that's just cold blueing

[pallid quest]

That’s pretty cool. Hope it works good.

[rough stream]

It's like bluing but, for aluminum, it's more of a matte black.

Not the same kind of chemical if I recall correctly

[spark gate]

I'm gonna stick with spray paint
Already wasted money on Revell colors for airbrush only to realize the nozzle is too small😂

[pallid quest]

I’m not use to the anodise and dye, at work the process we use produces the colour in the anodised surface so no dye after. But it is setup for 6.5m lengths of extrusions.

[frank obsidian]

New pole #1246930108032225280 message

[nova urchin]

(Direct link for anyone not on the D3vil Discord: https://forms.gle/cNBCBu6LqHLajDMA7 )

[shut pewter]

I'll pass

[broken venture]

Yup

[blissful creek]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-trainer-star-wars-learn-learn-well-you-have-gif-17478327

doesnt even say price....

[nova urchin]

Fair, it's probably a waste of money, but I'll try them anyway

[broken venture]

Is he still sticking with his 37mm commitment?

[blissful creek]

read the link smy my head

Other Shaft Length*
*
*Note on Other Shaft Lengths: Please note that in order for us to offer an additional custom length, we will need to receive a minimum of 50 orders. If the minimum is not reached, we will not proceed with this custom length.

[broken venture]

Problem is people want results before they buy so not gonna be a lot of backers

[nova urchin]

They said in the Discord that they'll try and have similar price to the normal Krakens, but it'll depend on how many orders they get

(Which is expensive to start with anyway)

[blissful creek]

so fucking expensive lmao

[broken venture]

Ill keep my V1s for now

[blissful creek]

and ur ti backers 🤣

[frank obsidian]

Whats wrong with those??

[blissful creek]

how precurssor uses them.

but also. Ti is a waste vs steel.

[frank obsidian]

But they work

[frank obsidian]

Do they make steel ones?

[blissful creek]

not well.

[shut pewter]

You don't like the idea of trying to stiffen a crappy creality frame with hundreds of dollars in ti backers? Lol

[blissful creek]

🤣

[blissful creek]

hector would needa be selling me some other services.

[spark gate]

Just use some old rails
That's my plan😂

[shut pewter]

Looks matter to him even if he cannot see it

Ocd spec build

[spark gate]

Well
Rails look good🤔

[broken venture]

I wanted steel ones, but hector discontinued them.

[broken venture]

Teehee

[blissful creek]

AGAIN????

brah

[broken venture]

I have a vision

And it's absolutely stupid, I agree

[blissful creek]

no u dont.

u have a spending problem 🤣

[frank obsidian]

why dont u just test it with rail?

compare the performance

if looks are that big of an issue just sparaypaint

[broken venture]

Theres worse addictions

[blissful creek]

4040 frames...

[broken venture]

Ill get a new frame eventually

Now if there was a extrusion kit to where I just need a screwdriver..... we could talk about it 😂

[frank obsidian]

4040 beta merc would be crazy!

[blissful creek]

too bad @shut pewter is cringe

[heady solar]

we like turtlecrawler. hes a nice guy

[blissful creek]

meh

[shut pewter]

How much money worth of parts do you have for your "ender 3" now?

[blissful creek]

I dont like turtlecrawler. turtlebasedler is better.

[blissful creek]

the amount I paid or the free shit got kek

[shut pewter]

if you didnt get shit for free

if you actually had to pay for all of it

[blissful creek]

too much

easy 4k 🤣

canadian

usd idk

[shut pewter]

on a ender 3

[heady solar]

my stealthtaz is technically worth like 2.5k 👀

[blissful creek]

nice try

[shut pewter]

is what I said wrong?

[pallid quest]

Is it even an ender 3 still?

[blissful creek]

yes if I use an extrusion for the top...

likely no 🤣

[shut pewter]

You did take your ender 3 apart to build it

so its still an ender 3

[blissful creek]

yea and threw out parts.

I do have my old v1 shitty gantry parts could use...

[frank obsidian]

That looks siiick

Me wants

[blissful creek]

i have better for splendacross.

[frank obsidian]

Is that the valvanator?

[blissful creek]

thats only like 1.8k rn. without 6 more motors

[blissful creek]

ufonator. I have cad for both.

[frank obsidian]

👀

[blissful creek]

(not from him direct)

[blissful creek]

thats a different printer design...

[frank obsidian]

Ah

Why chube

[blissful creek]

I have a beta chube.

[frank obsidian]

Nice

[pallid quest]

Still using it for cheese?

[blissful creek]

id prob do custom hotend ad this point. But ill likly be doing chube longer if that becomes a thing

[blissful creek]

i never did it to my air.

this splendacross.

[frank obsidian]

Whats the flow of chube rn?

[blissful creek]

idc.

it has more meltzone then anything else lmao

prime only exception

nbut its a noodle

[frank obsidian]

Whats this👀

[pallid quest]

Top plate design, kinda like that other printer….

[blissful creek]

ITS NOT ANGEL

[pallid quest]

Hahahaha

[blissful creek]

NOTHINGS BASED OFF ANGEL lmao

[frank obsidian]

Whats that

[pallid quest]

Nah no hanging steppers for z

[shut pewter]

hotend flow is hard to put hard numbers on, to many variables

[sour rock]

interesting, 4 steppers for x 4 more on y? then triple z?

[shut pewter]

You need to be put in your place con your server 🙂

[blissful creek]

yes.

[sour rock]

belted z?

[blissful creek]

its a shitpost printer im doing.

it should be highest IS though.

[blissful creek]

yee

[sour rock]

Will you build it

[blissful creek]

im doing k3 inspired stuff (mathematicalpotato 1 rn)

[blissful creek]

shrug likely no./s

[shut pewter]

he is to cheap to buy his own motors

[blissful creek]

they are so expensive....

[frank obsidian]

U got me inspired now ima cad up a 4040 v0 size printer instead of the delta lol

[blissful creek]

its 153030 extrusions.

also v0 is cursed every single way.

run.

[shut pewter]

3030 15 based is dumb

4040 is better

only 20mm wider overall

[blissful creek]

yee.

[shut pewter]

and not stupid

[blissful creek]

also delta is cooler.

do delta.

[frank obsidian]

Why

[frank obsidian]

2020 lol

[blissful creek]

They designed like a toudler.

theres so much wrong with it from the core design philisophy.

[frank obsidian]

I wanna reuse the old frame from the delta that my teacher gave me

[torpid summit]

Almost look like the RatRig amount of screws 😛

[blissful creek]

yea thas the funny part.

[frank obsidian]

1000 screws

[blissful creek]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-cigarettes-the-orville-bortus-500-cigarettes-gif-12658448946227274013

[frank obsidian]

Progress on the delta so far

[shut pewter]

Burgo complains about how hard k3 is to work on with all its screws
Procedes to add 10 times as many screws to a ender 3 build.

[blissful creek]

were shitposting in turtles spot too much....

[heady solar]

oooh very cool

did you figure out the constraints?

[torpid summit]

Where the mods at

[blissful creek]

the screws arent the part that makes it bad.

[frank obsidian]

Gonna use the doron velta toolhead but I have to modifi it for cpap

[shut pewter]

[blissful creek]

puke

[frank obsidian]

No

[blissful creek]

that toolhead is so mid.

[heady solar]

oof

[blissful creek]

my next project after these 2 is a delta

[sour rock]

tell me about it 😆

[blissful creek]

I have very cursed ideas.

[frank obsidian]

Thats whats holding me back rn

[blissful creek]

(all in 1 effector thats 1 slm piece basically)

[torpid summit]

No extrusion printer?

[frank obsidian]

Tell me

[blissful creek]

its too brain cad.

its too much effort to fast cad 🤣

[frank obsidian]

Aww

[blissful creek]

nah welded steel fineeeee

[frank obsidian]

Tell me your ideas and I might use them too

Plz

[blissful creek]

its too much to explain.

start by doing a 2040 frame 🤣

[frank obsidian]

I want to reuse thw old frame

[spark gate]

Burgo is having burgo moments again😂

[frank obsidian]

Extrusions*

[sour rock]

just do 4080

[frank obsidian]

Maybe in the future. And 2060s at the bottom

[blissful creek]

coming after my heart.

[frank obsidian]

I wanna do a 4040 v0 size printer lol

Propably 4040 mini merc

[sour rock]

one thing RR did right 3030, on a 200mm it's damn nice

[blissful creek]

nah.

6mm thick steel chefkiss~5

(but 120mm)

[sour rock]

I'm too poor for that

[blissful creek]

=it was like 80usd for 2 of them cut...

[frank obsidian]

Nice

[blissful creek]

https://www.robotdigg.com/product/555/2040-or-3030-Alu-Vertex-for-Kossel-XXL-or-XXXL

[sour rock]

I'm still poor for that+no time for that kind of work/design

[blissful creek]

the plate was the easiest part 🤣

[sour rock]

and I'm in yurop some shit here is stupid expensive

[frank obsidian]

Can I get an invite link plzzz?

[frank obsidian]

Oooo

[blissful creek]

🤣 idk if u want that.....

[frank obsidian]

Whats there?

Uuuhhh maybe not

[shut pewter]

hes not wrong, I just removed it because that doesnt fit our server well 🤣

[blissful creek]

turtle remember when U said my server was the only 1 I behaved in...

the tables have turned 🤣

[frank obsidian]

Lol

[shut pewter]

you did for awhile....

[sour rock]

fair enough

[shut pewter]

I think you finally figured out it is also the only server you cannot be banned from

[blissful creek]

bingo

its all slm/ sheet metal.

[spark gate]

Why you keep posting pictures of angel?

[sour rock]

and hijacking turtle thread

[frank obsidian]

@blissful creek

Do I?

Lol

Im scared

[blissful creek]

the general chat is nsfw tagged....

Its that type of server lmao.

also most of it is shitposts. until we have actuall questions lmao. I got smart people.

[frank obsidian]

Ok than im not gonna open gc lol

[blissful creek]

@shut pewter u wanna say the funny part 🤣

were on #5 🤣

[frank obsidian]

Why

[shut pewter]

I have regrets reading general every day

[blissful creek]

🤣

[frank obsidian]

Ill join w the hope theres more pics of burgos interesting printer designs

[blissful creek]

yea they have seperate channels.

its because turtle 🤣

[sour rock]

sounds like the kind of server I'd enjoy some years ago

[frank obsidian]

Ok here we go

Im scared

What are theese names lol

Not gonna open it

Im scared

[blissful creek]

oh links or pics is mainly just pictures of stuff.

best to nsfw it 🤣

[heady solar]

why is it a nsfw channel 😭

[frank obsidian]

Im scared of what you mean by stuff

[frank obsidian]

Cuz burgo

[heady solar]

apparently monika has a nsfw channel

this stuff keeps me up at night

[blissful creek]

Monika and me are like water and oil 🤣

[frank obsidian]

Monika is the one w the crazy ender?

Sub 2 min bechy?

[blissful creek]

yee

[heady solar]

nah

[blissful creek]

monika is very much though someone though whos testing is a thing,.....

[heady solar]

thats kiripatka. russian guy

[frank obsidian]

Ah

[blissful creek]

its barely

monika was like 2.03mins or something i forget

closeeee

thern she made hotends.

because benchys are useless

[frank obsidian]

Wdym

[blissful creek]

like that guys sub 2 min benchy is useless anythig but benchys.

[blissful creek]

monika is still learning and best to not take her advice.

(i am still learning too)

[frank obsidian]

Aha

[frank obsidian]

I meant this https://youtu.be/7lJmkTSoWLc?si=5i9o-1bEfAawabPN

[blissful creek]

yea thought so lmao

other guys 1 wasnt much faster....

[heady solar]

ohh right

[sour rock]

aren't we all?

[blissful creek]

yee. but monika its hard to explain why I recommend again lmao.

too much lore 🤣

[heady solar]

lets stop cluttering full metal gantry channel

move to #general-chat

[half dagger]

What the actual flock?

[blissful creek]

the hotend alone is worth like 400 bucks. the motors are like 40 a piece. the laser cut parts I have spent 400 on (theres stuff that wasnt good). The frame 250 usd. continue continue

[half dagger]

Oh I get it. But goddamn. You should etch the dragon on the cut parts

[blissful creek]

thres dickbutts on them.

[half dagger]

Lemme see

[half dagger]

This is awesome!

[fickle prawn]

as usual I’m dumb and I find this instruction confusing

should one countersink all the m3 holes of the bottom plate?

[atomic ingot]

The top 4 per plate at the top of the plate. And the 4 bottom ones on the bottom

[fickle prawn]

ahh, I thought about that, but it would be clearer if the image actually flipped to the other side

[atomic ingot]

I thought the same thing but used the step file

[fickle prawn]

yes, I was just saying for the sake of clarity… I’ll not do anything before looking at it on a computer (I was planning from my phone)

[pallid quest]

I read the instructions right but thought I didn’t need to mark the holes cause I’d be right. I drilled one side of both x joint and steppers on the wrong side.

[fickle prawn]

yes, I think without the cad that shows which side need to be drilled, the image on GitHub are not enough info (saying this in the most constructive way, not criticism)

[pallid quest]

Being 2 different colours for top and bottom of the plates would help make it look different.

But wouldn’t of helped me lol mine was just plain old blind rushing in

[fickle prawn]

if any consolation I had to reorder the bottom plates because I ordered in a rush, on 2mm thick plates 😅

[hybrid cradle]

Silly question. If the entire belt path has been made a bit lower on these, what toolhead do I use?

[shut pewter]

doesnt change the toolhead belt location