Ender 5 Plus - Mercury 1 (Classic) with Stealth Burner and New Enclosure Project

[naive swan]

not on a v0

[vocal terrace]

It's the boop mod

Og yea just that size

Vengeful u should order some raindew bearings fyi

[naive swan]

if i go crucible it will have can bus lol

[vocal terrace]

C$ 2.99 | ISO 14580 M3 Titanium screws M3x4 M3x5 M3x6 M3x8 M3x9 M3x10 M3x12 Torx T10 Driver Socket Cap Head Ti GR2 QCTI Screw
https://a.aliexpress.com/_msMygcU

Send link idk crucible

I ordered more titanium screws for my v2.4

I may go lightbar

[naive swan]

https://github.com/PrintersForAnts/Crucible

[vocal terrace]

Bruh that thing

[naive swan]

lol

[vocal terrace]

I want 1 small printer.

That's just a saladfork

[naive swan]

oh titanium, im out, not for me

[vocal terrace]

I do it for my lightbars

I am doing CF tube. I am not unscrewing so It better be good

[naive swan]

they are great and you get up to 60C chamber with ease

[vocal terrace]

I just want speedddd

So I make speed

[naive swan]

im tempted to get a backer on my x

[vocal terrace]

I Have em

No point prob for u.

Unless u actually heatsoak

[naive swan]

since these e5+ are huge

i heatsoak

kinda

i mean i cant really

beacon overheats

if i do it properly

[vocal terrace]

Bruh

Now I'm happy no beacon

[naive swan]

you have to scan as soon as the bed is up to temp

[vocal terrace]

Does beacon hhave a relay to turn off?

[naive swan]

no

[vocal terrace]

That's sas

Sad

It could be way better that way but temp would prob be issue

Im going klicky from now on prob

[naive swan]

it gets bad readings after it heats up to 60C+

[vocal terrace]

Vengeful order bearings I linked tooo!!!!!

They are good ones

I'm assuming u have Amazon ones

U should get youmetong rails next too

Price for me

usd

[naive swan]

you can do a heat up to 110c and a cold hotend(and part fan at 100%) with bed -100mm from the beacon. then its a race

ztilt then bed mesh then heatsoak , then hotend heatup, then purge and print

[vocal terrace]

Yea but the bed will shift with heat

Even with a kinematic bed mount.

[naive swan]

yeah its not great but the reading get bad if you let the beacon get hot first

but it works for me

[vocal terrace]

Yea I don't think I'll go beacon

[naive swan]

its not needed unless you have a huge bed

and even then i think that depends on the printer

[vocal terrace]

Yea but heatsisking big important

[naive swan]

going on voron chat

[vocal terrace]

I'm going to bed keke

Needa figure out though later if aWD works with 9mm belts

Omg omg omg so many good animes came out today fuckkkkkk

4...

5 maybe

Penis life

Real ones know

[naive swan]

Lol

[dawn vapor]

Im doing tap on my current build

[vocal terrace]

https://youtu.be/UfEIharoOH0

@naive swan

[naive swan]

which printer?

[vocal terrace]

U should order rails from youmetong
Z2. It's 15.5 a piece for switchwire

[dawn vapor]

The one im using all your parts from. Type Z on 5 Plus. I had already printed out all the merc 1.1 stuff when i saw your build. Now im printing all your files.

@vocal terrace konosuba?

Well i know you didn’t link konosuba

But have either of you seen that series. The movie was hilarious

[naive swan]

tap may be a problem if you are using the stock bed

[dawn vapor]

https://youtu.be/MrB_6eka9tk

[dawn vapor]

Got two beds incoming. Got someone to hook me up with some toolplate aluminum and tapped for hydra. Also going to try and snag either a mic6 or atp5 from fabreko

Because im unsure of the quality on the free one but frees free

Also the sucubus episode of konosuba is pog

[vocal terrace]

Not may will

[vocal terrace]

Watched eps 1 release day

[mild hinge]

Both printers I have are 350mm

[vocal terrace]

F

[mild hinge]

Why F ?

[vocal terrace]

bigger = slower movement

[mild hinge]

yea that's ok

[mild hinge]

Alot of hats

[mild hinge]

3rd roll I have gotten with a bad tangle

messing up a print job

[vocal terrace]

Do u swap filaments?

[mild hinge]

yes but I use a clip and its way down in the roll

have to waste all this filemament

had to cut it out

[vocal terrace]

It could be ur clip.

[mild hinge]

mess with it later ...clogged nozzle now too

Ill print another clip

[vocal terrace]

I just use end of spool

It's polymaker right?

[mild hinge]

yea

[vocal terrace]

Try talking to someone like @sterile pond ideally if u still have box for a few. See if a batch issue

[mild hinge]

Think im going im going to build a re-spooler

spool the rolls myself

I got it re-printing again

threw out the bad spot of filament

[naive swan]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3222374/files

hopefully these print well in abs plus

i need like 5 of them

[mild hinge]

nice I will print some

[naive swan]

it printed like crap last time i tried

[mild hinge]

oh

[naive swan]

but i will make my own if i need too

[mild hinge]

ill give it a shot

[naive swan]

needs support and cant be printed that fast i guess

[mild hinge]

I could see where the filament was tangled

i had to unwind like 10ft of it

cut it out

noiw its printing same roll

hopefully it don't have anymore tangles

[naive swan]

Steve Builds is streaming the merc 1 build

[mild hinge]

nice

I have the merc 1.1 build

Just joined

[naive swan]

Well he is doing merc1.1

[mild hinge]

yep

[mild hinge]

you in the stream ?

dam filament roll tangles again

junking the roll

[deep vine]

how do you have them?

[mild hinge]

have them ?

in a filament dryer

as its printing

its tangled in the roll itself

just pitched it in the garbage 3/4 of a roll

just wasted 4 hour print again

probaly just a bad roll

[deep vine]

where did you purchase them from

lol

out of stock every where

[mild hinge]

bought 6 rolls

[deep vine]

no your raspberry pi

[mild hinge]

Microcenter

a few at a time

[vocal terrace]

Dont get pis too much. Orange pi 3 lts is way cheaper and can run multiple board

[mild hinge]

I paid 35 per PI 4

[deep vine]

have you seen the big tree tech cb1

[mild hinge]

yes

[deep vine]

do you know anything about them?

[mild hinge]

in stock at microcenter

[deep vine]

i just ordered one other week

do you know if we can run the can board from them to our canbus tool heads

[mild hinge]

not sure

I have the ocotopus pro f429

i was looking at the new ez manta board

[deep vine]

@mild hinge i just seen you backing vengies design on youtube lol

[mild hinge]

yep

His build is awesome

[deep vine]

i prefer this one over dutchs new design

[mild hinge]

which version

[deep vine]

vengfuls over the new merc one

[mild hinge]

me too

trying a new roll of filament

see what happens

[deep vine]

steves frame looks better than the stock E5+ tho

[mild hinge]

yea i have stock ender 5 plus frame

removed the corner brackets painted them black

[deep vine]

mines are already black and they are made of plastic 😦

are yours ali?

[mild hinge]

no creality metal

dam hotend is clogged

have to cool is off too take it apart

1st clog in a long time

see if 260 will un clog it 1st

nope too clogged i guess

[vocal terrace]

Itz e5 pro or e5 i veljeve. Also if you need to add corner get the k3 style

[mild hinge]

Found the clog in the bozzle nozzle

heat gun time

[deep vine]

from fabreeko?

[mild hinge]

same kit i have

[mild hinge]

dang no .4mm needsles thought i had some left

[deep vine]

Getting closer, I wish I had another printer, I’m only able to print one set of parts per day with work and busy doing other things

[mild hinge]

looks good

got it un clogged

[naive swan]

You on @mild hinge

[vocal terrace]

L I have a E3v2 for a reason.

[deep vine]

What is the reason?

Lol

Better be a good reason

[vocal terrace]

So I can always have a printer working

[naive swan]

That’s the only reason my e3v2 has not been stored

[deep vine]

I don’t think there is any difference between your v2 and my e3

[naive swan]

Jelly unless he dropped linear rails on it, you have a maxed out e3

[deep vine]

Do you print abs on yours?

[naive swan]

I could but I don’t

[deep vine]

I was thinking about this

Either wobble x or switch wire conversion

[naive swan]

Yeah it’s the last step before any other mods take it past a point of just being a custom printer

[deep vine]

Which one should I do?

[naive swan]

I will go switchwire if I do it

I don’t know anything about wobble x

[deep vine]

Wobble x looks really good actually

https://www.modernmakes.ca/blog/wobblex-miragec

Look like a solid way to quickly remove any z banding

Which I have on bot printers

Both

[naive swan]

Ah I see, I assume this is just a better version of belting your z

Meaning I different option available to you

[vocal terrace]

My V2 doesn't work because it isn't stable. My e3 os

Wobble x I'd go if didn't have old hams

Idc anymoee

[deep vine]

It was designed originally for the heavy duty z screws, (can’t remember what their correct name is)

[deep vine]

But for hydra, they look good, not being belted

[deep vine]

What are the hams like

Do you have to keep living them

[vocal terrace]

Old ham coupling

They aren't bad but wobble x better

[deep vine]

Okay so switchwire or wobble x?

For the best abs printing E3

[vocal terrace]

Belted z is better. I'm not switchwire yet. Wobble I'd do foe my lead screw printers

[deep vine]

So I take it lead screws in general are just not great,

Then hydra would be better if belted

I seen someone was working on this

But it didn’t look like a good design because there was no gearing

[naive swan]

Ball screws

Ball screws are best if price doesn’t matter

On the e3 belt is best because of its integration with everything else

The wobble seems like a bed lifter solution

Hydra would be better with wobble x

But it is already kinematic so I don’t know how that will interact

On trident this could be good

[raven widget]

there is realy low chance to need wobble x with , bearing on top and good alignment on motor shaft.

[naive swan]

I think it makes a lot of sense on something like @twilit edge build with the dual z linear rails

I could see the combo being to top tier of dual z

[twilit edge]

That looks rather interesting

[naive swan]

Also a quad stepper/linear rails ender 5 plus is interesting with wobble x

Using the fabreeko mic6 bed, since it has the 4 stock holes

[vocal terrace]

kekw me

buy not anymore

[mild hinge]

I like the fabreeko mic6 bed

[naive swan]

What

[vocal terrace]

didnt realize what u ssaid

[naive swan]

Ok

[mild hinge]

rechecking bed height ( map ) a bit high on one side

[mild hinge]

Anybody checked out the new Sparkel ASA yet

[vocal terrace]

bruh they fully did it?

[naive swan]

they had steve do a sneak peak

[vocal terrace]

oh

[naive swan]

peek

[mild hinge]

I like @naive swan design better

locking lid etc

[naive swan]

it looks very ZeroG though, not bad for that skirt style

[vocal terrace]

I like not creality fram

design at all

[mild hinge]

Im using creality's frame

[vocal terrace]

I wont

[mild hinge]

wasn't ripping it all apart

[vocal terrace]

I already got it emnt

[mild hinge]

I just converted the creality E5P to merc 1.1

with btt ez skr3 v3

ldo motors

[naive swan]

Making good use of the abs plus

[mild hinge]

yea i need to print some

but need to finish the voron quick latches 1st

[naive swan]

https://a.co/d/djMkALt picked these up last night

[mild hinge]

I have 2 of them from home depot

[naive swan]

fingers crossed, i think they can hold 4 rolls airtight

[mild hinge]

mine holds 4 too

[naive swan]

i like sterilite, so fingers crossed

[mild hinge]

nothing wrong them

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ezy-Storage-50L-52-8Qt-Waterproof-Clear-Latch-Tote-IP-67-FBA34063/314733533

[naive swan]

those are big

[mild hinge]

yep

stacked two of them

[naive swan]

i want these to be as compact as possible

[mild hinge]

true

I use them t ostore un used filament

[naive swan]

for me its for opened

[mild hinge]

ahhh

the one you order proably better

[naive swan]

i would like to avoid the bags

well not sure yet

they may be too tight

[mild hinge]

I have a few of the bags don't like them

i have the auto vac too

[naive swan]

polylite has resealable bags

[mild hinge]

yep

[naive swan]

but not everything is polylite

[mild hinge]

correct

[naive swan]

ok my next canister has started

[mild hinge]

I really need to get rid of this creality tenyt

[naive swan]

had to tweak supports again

ah the tent

yeah

[mild hinge]

supports on what

[naive swan]

the slica canister

[mild hinge]

ahh

zipping unzipping tent no fun

[naive swan]

if they had the step, i would have fixed all these issues

[mild hinge]

for the canister

[naive swan]

yep

i ordered these as well for the insert

[mild hinge]

https://www.printables.com/model/35289-silica-canister-for-round-meter

[naive swan]

https://a.co/d/4p15Hog

[mild hinge]

yea i need to order some

they are on my list

[naive swan]

that one is simpler

hmm

[mild hinge]

I like printables

vs thingverse

[naive swan]

true

[mild hinge]

https://www.printables.com/model/160570-silica-gel-canister-30mm-for-filament-reels

liek the 1st one better

[naive swan]

i saw those , not liking that

[mild hinge]

correct

https://www.printables.com/model/106687-silica-gel-desiccant-containers#preview

Silica Gel Regenerate Jar

pretty cool

https://www.printables.com/model/421756-silica-gel-regenerate-jar/comments

[naive swan]

i like this one

[mild hinge]

@naive swan https://www.printables.com/model/207372-silica-gel-and-hygrometer-mount

[deep vine]

The Esun abs+ really doesn’t like them sharp hot corners does it

[naive swan]

hell no, but all my filament is doing it

[mild hinge]

@naive swan you like the https://www.printables.com/model/421756-silica-gel-regenerate-jar/comments .....me to oI downloaded the files

[deep vine]

Even the ASA?

[naive swan]

well i havent checked that yes

[mild hinge]

ok back to printing latches

[deep vine]

Mabey there a setting for fan on small perimeter

[naive swan]

looks good, but i was going to just drop them in the filament dryer

[mild hinge]

vhb tape or 1mm foam ?

[naive swan]

with the bottle

[mild hinge]

for panels

[naive swan]

i use vhb on clips and mounts

foam on flat panel to frame areas

[mild hinge]

im heading up to kb3d monday

[naive swan]

for?

[mild hinge]

parts

im not that far from them

[naive swan]

oh yeah that reminds me

i need to order those gates belts from china

[mild hinge]

i have spare fabreeko belts

1st layer looking good

[naive swan]

layer 3 and i already have curling.....

[mild hinge]

ohhhh

I really need to start working on the e5p enclosure

hate this tent so much

[vocal terrace]

@naive swan KB-3D u can buy a shit ton of bulk spool from.

[mild hinge]

yea i need to get more asa filament black/red

that sparkle red looks kinda neat

sparkle black looks cool too

https://sparta3d.ca/collections/abs-filament/products/sparkle-abs-filament?variant=40771721756826

ABS+

[naive swan]

ok ordered 24M of belt

[mild hinge]

nice

[naive swan]

print failed

[mild hinge]

layer 5 so far so good

[naive swan]

i resliced and turned down speed back to 90

[mild hinge]

nice

me printing latches

[naive swan]

oh ok

i need to print nevermores

[mild hinge]

I printed that already

[naive swan]

need the circulation of heat

[mild hinge]

I put a USB fan on back of the tent

to circulate the air

[naive swan]

yeah i should do that for now

[mild hinge]

did yo usee the nevermore max yet ?

[naive swan]

oh now

nooooo

have you seen that bom?

[mild hinge]

yes

im not building one

too big for my printers

[vocal terrace]

thats my filament get ur own

[mild hinge]

lol

[vocal terrace]

L its 2 hours away from me

[naive swan]

I can print it just to much hassle to source the parts. Once a kit is out I might do it

[mild hinge]

yea

I have the fans

'but that's it

[naive swan]

Also I think I am going to try the quad gantry wobble x using the fabreeko mic6 bed

[mild hinge]

nice

im using the z tilt mic6 now

[naive swan]

Yep same here

Hydra kit gets here on Monday

[mild hinge]

nice

i was looking at the hydra kit

still thinking about it

sold out

[naive swan]

yep

i pre ordered

[mild hinge]

yea

I dont have the 500mm rails

The rails I have are 450

So Ill probaly pass on it

[mild hinge]

the voron 2.4r2 enough for 1 qlp is fine with me

question I just noticed that the pressure advance is not transferring from the slicer into klipper

is there something I'm missing

[dawn vapor]

I thought pressure advance was set up in klipper and not in slicer.

Also. Any issues with the toothed gear on stepper thats almost at the tip of the shaft (hehe) causing shaft to bend? (Haha) ?

[mild hinge]

i copy the slicer code into the klipper dashboard

I found the klipper setting for some reason it changed to 0.0

So I changed the value back

[mild hinge]

time for some lego building while 3d printer is printing

[vocal terrace]

@naive swan #658599170734686219 message

L + ratio Amazon fool

[naive swan]

yeah....

your point?

[naive swan]

Looking good @deep vine

[dawn vapor]

What size locking ring collet is that on the Stealthburner ptfe. Ive been looking for one that fits

[vocal terrace]

Gu dam was pog

Gundam ep 1 cout 2

[dawn vapor]

Also working on a preventive measure for the rear left stepper, im weary that because the toothed drive gear sits so far down the shaft we could have the shaft start to deform. What im thinking is two of these. uxcell F5-10M Thrust Ball Bearings 5mm x 10mm x 4mm Chrome Steel Single Direction 4pcs https://a.co/d/fXdrlWt and a printed spacer that would have the bearings help shaft keep its shape. I know thrust bearings are more for a back and forth motion and i should really be going for a pillow block type solution but my cad skills are severely lacking at the moment. If i could come up with something it would most likely involve 3 heat inserts into the side the opposite side the stepper bolts onto and a spot to insert a flanged bearing like on the bearing stacks to create a pillow block.

Maybe over thinking it but ive had a few shafts break on the ender 3’s y and suspect it has to do with how far that gear sits from the end.

[deep vine]

im not sure, it came in the ercf BOM

[deep vine]

oooh thats sounds good!

[vocal terrace]

Remember pulleys cab be adjusted too

[dawn vapor]

Is that a reply to my post?

[vocal terrace]

yee. but the frame is just issue in genral

[dawn vapor]

Maybe im not seeing what else i could do? Im trying to account for the extra force on the stepper toothed gear thats almost 7 mill out of shaft.

[deep vine]

I think this is because @naive swan had to increase the thickness of the top plate to increase strength and make it more reliable to print

A possible fix could be to recess the stepper down a few mm

[dawn vapor]

You are correct on them being thicker than original.

Recess doesn’t sound aesthetically pleasing though

As well as they would mess with the enclosure

I think two bearings and a spacer would strengthen the part enough though

[deep vine]

It shouldn’t affect the enclosure, just the stepper will sit slightly lower

[deep vine]

Them bearings you posted won’t stope the shaft from bending because they are designed to take vertical load not horizontal. We need to find a different method

It would be better to design into this top plate a mount for a 605 bearing to sit just above the toothed gear

Also check this out

[dawn vapor]

Right thats why im also looking at how to implement a pillow block bearing. That would help stop side load.

[dawn vapor]

That looks sick!

[naive swan]

shoot

[naive swan]

that is not a good idea

[naive swan]

that looks beautiful

[naive swan]

i could recess just the stepper

im thinkin a stepped recess or maybe some removable supports? what are you guys thinking?

i can build down anything i cut out

well no i cant, dang

one of the pins is in the way

i can make that area 5mm thick again

@dawn vapor im sorry for the goof on this, i agree with you this give to much room for shaft flex

the stock merc 1 mount was 2mm and this is 7mm i want to make it zero

even steppers with a longer shaft would cause this problem

since it can apply more leverage

im thinking a pocket of 2 on the right and 7 on the left

[dawn vapor]

Hey no big check this out

Those two combined

The bearing is from an axis wheel

My jank tinkercad skills lol

[naive swan]

Interesting

[dawn vapor]

Im printing to test out fitment

Just moves the fulcrum out a bit

[naive swan]

So you insert this and it keeps the shaft stiff?

[dawn vapor]

It’s basically a pillow block bearing. Meant to keep axial forces at bay

[naive swan]

So does this require 605zz?

[dawn vapor]

My initial thought was to use thrust bearings with a spacer

[naive swan]

I have a few of those

[dawn vapor]

That would make the shaft stiffer sandwich between motor and toothed bearing

But as jelly says those are for back and forth or in and out motion

You should have like thirty of those wheels lol

[naive swan]

Oh lol

[dawn vapor]

Should be a press fot when assembled

Fit*

Weather itll be stiff enough is another thing. I think the whole assembly i made might be too small but thats the concept

I think even tightenning or closing up the whole the stepper moves into and putting a bearing there would be better than recessing stepper

Its just moving fulcrum so the forces for bend aren’t so far out

[naive swan]

Ok follow me on this, then i put a cut out for 605zz in the plate leave a slight lip and any time the shaft wants to bend the bearing holds

[dawn vapor]

Yep

Even having it come up the whole

[naive swan]

It eliminates the inherent give on the stepper

I like it

Great idea

[naive swan]

On the bearing I wouldn’t have thought of this at all

[dawn vapor]

I mean its a bit more refined. Again tinkercad skills

Actually possibly flipped so no falling out

If your integrating into your design

[naive swan]

I was thinking maybe we flip the stepper or get long shaft steppers

[dawn vapor]

They long shaft would still need support no?

Or is the body longer to counter balance?

[naive swan]

Also if we get long shat we can put bearings on both sides

[dawn vapor]

That would be the way

[naive swan]

Shaft*

[dawn vapor]

I always wondered why those parts had the big holes in em. I thought they might have been going in that direction

[naive swan]

Yeah the even on the stock design this was a problem

Ok just need to source nema 17s with a slightly longer shaft

Like 20mms more

Let me measure

Here is stock

Dimensions

I hope it’s steady enough

The left stepper is the main culprit

I think this something I really want to resolve all the way

if we drop a 605zz on top and bottom plus a stepper with a 50mm shaft then is problem goes away permanently

as for the concern of horizontal vs vertical, the force would be applied in the exact way the bearing is designed to have force applied

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832766511301.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.75.4c6d3dadp7O0N3&algo_pvid=679e14c6-1452-4b8c-a268-03a43ff1a48a&algo_exp_id=679e14c6-1452-4b8c-a268-03a43ff1a48a-37&pdp_npi=3%40dis!USD!12.35!12.35!!!!!%40212243c016810929938325943d06cc!12000018065909004!sea!US!0&curPageLogUid=EYjUFSnAR4Sw

not it but this could do it

bingo!!!!

https://www.printedsolid.com/products/ldo-nema-17-motor-supermac-ldo-42sth60-2004macs55?currency=USD&variant=32937453977685&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google Shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxMmhBhDJARIsANFGOSuzjcW1Y9CDhEx8K2jHHXTb3A0XHSbGKweowGJyzS_RH-nWQ1l8oQIaAu4_EALw_wcB

man thats beefy

and its ldo

it is a .9

but its a beast

also the cut out is exactly where we need it

here are specs

[dawn vapor]

Ok in the meantime my design failed me lol but

[naive swan]

@dawn vapor what do you think?

[naive swan]

why did it fail?

[dawn vapor]

I dont think we need to worry about shaft moving up and down as much as trying to bend

[naive swan]

too thic?k

[dawn vapor]

Failed because the legs i had going out to supports did not have enough to grab on to to keep it in place

[naive swan]

i think those steppers are the answer

[dawn vapor]

We don’t even need a bearing nearest the stepper

The stepper has one at the head. Just need one at end of shaft

[naive swan]

we may need to go to f695 though

good point

if we add one at the bottom then problem solved

im going to bite the bullet and order 2 of those steppers

i think you are on to something

[dawn vapor]

I really think only ones needed

But if its a version setup id go with two on the BOM

Just for ease of shopping

[naive swan]

i think we call this op version

[dawn vapor]

And setup both stepper mounts to be same with bearings

[naive swan]

give both options

welll the problem is the shaft length right?

[dawn vapor]

If i was buying this and starting out yeah id go for two of the linger shafts but atm. Saving money lol

Too short on one yes

[naive swan]

on left

[dawn vapor]

Yep

[naive swan]

ok i well release a cutout version then

with a removable support that brings it back to stock

height

the pocket will be 5mms deep

[naive swan]

yep

pocket is the only solution to maintain those steppers

but fair warning

[naive swan]

the left will still wobble slightly

[naive swan]

yeah so i added 5mm

if i go deeper than that it maybe a problem

[dawn vapor]

Im going to test out the pillow bearing idea still.

[naive swan]

i can go 7 deep but it might cause a different problem

[mild hinge]

Put voron on back burner ...going to start printing updated parts for the merc 1.1

[dawn vapor]

Id rather add the pillow block into the part which is the direction i think im headed until i get a longer shaft stepper

[naive swan]

Here is stock left

[dawn vapor]

Id go 1- longer shaft stepper 2 pillow block 3 recessed pocket

Are those stock steppers?

[naive swan]

It has a 2-3mm undersize

[dawn vapor]

Nvm*

[naive swan]

No these are normal nema 17s

those ldos are the solution here but to your point i need 2 options

i can make 7mm recess for you but stock will be 5mm

@dawn vapor does that work?

[dawn vapor]

7mm stepper recess? Nah don’t do extra work for me. Im just going to add that pillow block im pretty confident that it will solve any of my bent shaft worries. Then ill move over to the long shaft stepper when you get that sorted.

[naive swan]

well i just need to extrude down 2mm more

[dawn vapor]

That moves the fulcrum way closer to the gear and that should be more than enough to keep it from bending

[naive swan]

ok

alright i think the screws will need to change again

with 5mm pocket

nvm they will stay M3*25mm SHCS on those

i will extrude the hole dow as well

@dawn vapor do you have 20mm screws?

other wise the bottom plate will need to be reprinted as well

[dawn vapor]

I do

[naive swan]

ok, didnt realize there was an update

[naive swan]

perfect

i will get the updates out tommorow and order the steppers right now

[dawn vapor]

Thats what ill be testing out next

Again sorry for the jank tinkercad

[naive swan]

No it looks good

[dawn vapor]

@naive swan will it make any difference if i have one 1.8 an one .9 stepper as long as i set up correctly in klipper?

[dawn vapor]

Its like you have r2d2 in your home. I could watch this on loop for a while lol

Ah screw it ima get two of those steppers as well. Move the ones i have to my z for when i do the hydra mod.

Also f695 bearings. Going to pick some more up.

[naive swan]

I think it will be a problem

[naive swan]

Lol yeah it’s because I turned of interpolation

[naive swan]

I’m going to try f695 and 605zz but both should work

F695 has the lip which will be nice

But 605zz is beefy

Also steppers are ordered and took an opportunity to order a revo .4mm nozzle

[naive swan]

Print failed… ran out of filament

Oh well the over hangs are spot on here though…..

[deep vine]

You legend!

[twilit edge]

I am interested in the remote stepper idea. Have you considered coupling it with a longer drive shaft instead of trying to buy a stepper with one?

[dawn vapor]

I think if maintaining current positions then space is an issue.

And revisions are needed lol should have a working prototype tonight.

[naive swan]

it would require a lot of compromise to accommodate the coupler. Honestly since the idea is we are adding the long shaft to make it stronger, it seems fitting that the stepper being used is also way stronger. I think we already have a problem with the e5+ being too big and this solves those issues

i think i am also going to take this oppurtunity to stiffening braces, the look of the rear steppers is going to change some what

[dawn vapor]

Are you doing both bottom parts to accommodate the longer stepper shafts? Also the files are missing the bottom skirt clips to secure bottom plate. The trident versions work fine but the sides where the fans are, they are not the same size (possibly due to scaling?) as the rest. Ive already fixed them ill post them up when i get home.

[naive swan]

ah i missed the clips i will load them soon

[naive swan]

both will get the long stepper since they are .9 and are way stronger(high Torque)

looks like 4 simple clips and 2 hinges

[dawn vapor]

Correct not sure if you edited the clips but the ones that mount on the fan holders seem to be a bit too long if you use the stock trident part. Thats the part i fixed.

Also. Little elbow grease to make it work but heres my bed

8mm thick and i have to drill out holes a bit

[naive swan]

interesting, that part was not modified at all

the fan holder is stock

[dawn vapor]

It bolts on fine but when you tighten it down the curvature of the area it bolts to makes the part tilt

[naive swan]

hmm

[deep vine]

Wait, isn’t this rectangular. I’ve just ordered all clear acrylic and black acrylic panels, I hope the dimensions are okay on the cad file.

[naive swan]

they should be very close

are they cut panels?

[deep vine]

yeah

[naive swan]

😵

well crap

the only problem would be if they are too big

to small is wont be a problem

[deep vine]

why

[dawn vapor]

Theres always sandpaper

[deep vine]

that would be better than too small

[naive swan]

they are zero clearance on the cad

[deep vine]

i cant add material

[dawn vapor]

You could water them until they grow

[naive swan]

agree too small wont be a problem

[dawn vapor]

I really need a cnc machine

[naive swan]

all parts have an acceptable varince down of 2mm

[dawn vapor]

The maker space by me wanted to charge me 200 bucks to cut a few panels

[naive swan]

up is the problem

[deep vine]

or a laser...

[naive swan]

screw that

[dawn vapor]

Im about to hit the next door app and see if any neighbors have a dusty cnc machine they wouldnt mind using or letting me use for a few bucks

[naive swan]

my laser can do 24*24 inches

[deep vine]

all the panels cut cost mee £100

[naive swan]

3d print a cnc

[dawn vapor]

And i got that free build plate but now i need to counter bore the holes and also drill it for the standard e5+

Plate looks good. Gotta figure out how to check total flatness and how to properly clean the back

[deep vine]

how thick can it cut?

[naive swan]

on wood 10mm

on acrylic 0mm deep

[deep vine]

thiccc

[deep vine]

?

[naive swan]

laser cant cut clear

goes right through

[deep vine]

ah no way

i never knew

[dawn vapor]

You can paint it and then etch is about it right

[naive swan]

you would need a c02 laser

[naive swan]

correct

[deep vine]

im not doing jet pack because i will do hydra in the future

[naive swan]

Same thing on glass

https://www.creality.com/products/creality-k1-max-3d-printer

[deep vine]

looks familiar hmmm.🤨

[naive swan]

lol

[naive swan]

Ok one more set and I’m done with this

[deep vine]

did it fail again?

[deep vine]

they look good

[naive swan]

No not this time

I just need 2 sets

[deep vine]

which tesla do you drive?

[naive swan]

I do not

[deep vine]

you have 2 teslas?

ohh

for someone else

[naive swan]

I have an Etron and a Mach e

Yeah someone requested them

[deep vine]

i was i guess that crypto mining is paying off then haha

which is better the eton or mach e

[naive swan]

Here is the Etron set up

[deep vine]

not bad

[naive swan]

Uh the Mach e is more like a Tesla

[deep vine]

yeah

the etron seemed very heavy

[naive swan]

You can’t really tell the Etron is electric

It’s nicer than the Mach e

Just not as many features

[deep vine]

i got ya

of topoc

topic

you see the galileo 2?

[naive swan]

It’s fine

I want a metal one

[deep vine]

can you explain what it is tho im confused about CW2, galileo etc.

[naive swan]

I could send a cw2 to pcbway

Well they are different

[deep vine]

but the galileo 2 looked like CW2

is it to do with the gears etc?

[naive swan]

Galileo 1 has metal versions available

Just different dimensions

Cw2 was made for SB

Cw1 was AB

[deep vine]

because i was thinking about building the CW2 should i wait for galileo

[naive swan]

Printed versions exist for cw2

Of Galileo 2

[raven widget]

I already see some CNC parts for CW2 light weight

[deep vine]

so galileo is just a metal version of clockwork

[naive swan]

Mamsih/Galileo-stealthBurner: Galileo extruder for stealthBurner

https://github.com/Mamsih/Galileo-stealthBurner

Looks like main difference is no 50:10 gear ratio

[raven widget]

I have try find some comparison between CW2 and galileo but I cant find anything only SB and AB version.

[naive swan]

Galileos don’t have a gear ratio

[raven widget]

ou then I have already build CW1 on AB

[deep vine]

the galileo is based on the orbiter components

[naive swan]

Yeah it’s obsolete now

It’s basically the same thing as cw2

Except cw2 has more torque

[deep vine]

ahh i see

that makes sense now, so im thinking the only upgrade possible for the galileo 2 is this helical gearing onthe hevort?

do you think voron will go this method?

[naive swan]

Let me see

I have seen some like that for cw2

[raven widget]

When I take it only from mechanic side you will have only more precise rotation between both gears. improvment in short moves can be expect. but nothing more.

[naive swan]

https://images.app.goo.gl/7dk739aaWB1TXeFv7

[dawn vapor]

Theres aluminum cw2 ??

[naive swan]

I wish

I’m thinking of sending the files to pcbway

[dawn vapor]

Any aluminum Stealthburner?

[raven widget]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004750121692.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.30.132a3f2e3yQqNg&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.281175.0&scm_id=1007.40050.281175.0&scm-url=1007.40050.281175.0&pvid=a2801c66-0601-4882-9edc-60dbef3b3dae&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.281175.0,pvid:a2801c66-0601-4882-9edc-60dbef3b3dae,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238115%232000&pdp_npi=3%40dis!EUR!28.25!26.85!!!!!%40210324e516811558847241733eb599!12000030334289699!rec!SK!719437367

[naive swan]

Just ab options

[raven widget]

just motor plate :/

[naive swan]

Oh nice

[raven widget]

and x cariage light w8 in alu

[naive swan]

X carriage is a problem for me

[dawn vapor]

@naive swan did you cut your own panels or have them made?

[naive swan]

Made them

I made them

[deep vine]

these only have helical on the gears and not the fillament teeth

[naive swan]

Newest Oblique Tooth High Precision MK3s+ Dual Drive Gear Hardened Steel Nickel Plating 5mm bore Compatible with Creality CR10S PRO DDB Extruder Prusa i3 MK3 MK2/MK2S/MK2.5 MK3S+ 3D Printer https://a.co/d/aran8fa

Like this?

[deep vine]

yes exactly, do you think this will make a difference?

[naive swan]

Nope

[deep vine]

that is what the hexdrovort has

[naive swan]

I don’t like being a naysayer but this is not normally a problem

[deep vine]

he claims it can prevent certain artifacts

[naive swan]

I’m not sure how that is

[deep vine]

better grip on the filament

[naive swan]

yeah but that wont change it much

[deep vine]

centers the teeth and fillament better

[naive swan]

i guess, but lets be honest how that be noticeable

[deep vine]

every little improvment helps i guess

[naive swan]

nah

[deep vine]

probably only noticeable when printing really fast tho

[raven widget]

it can prevent it only while lots of retractions and helica gears must be on driving gear (there is now gap between gears)

[naive swan]

if you pay more for it, you could spend that money on upgraded steppers or better drivers

[deep vine]

well that makes sense, so there is still going to be back lash

[deep vine]

agree

[naive swan]

i dont see a scenario where it would not be part of a $300-600 upgrade

to get the tiny benefit

48v, high power steppers, better drivers, bigger belts, rails, pulleys etc

And cnc mounts

[raven widget]

But its not streight way to go ....

[deep vine]

sounds like type Z v2 to me...

[naive swan]

Nah

[deep vine]

🙃

[naive swan]

I don’t think the creality frame could take full advantage of all of that

[deep vine]

i manged a 17 minute benchy on my merc1.1 with eva and bust a set of stepper mounts

[naive swan]

I think an e5 can’t do better without suffering damage and breaking the bank

Plus

[deep vine]

yeah, less weight mean higher accels

[naive swan]

Yeah but strength helps the equation there

[deep vine]

haha true

need compromise

[naive swan]

High accels on the merc mounts are held back by the shaft flex on the steppers

[deep vine]

Speaking of which, is that the fix for the over strained shaft prose have

[raven widget]

@naive swan Do you have installed kinematic bed mount kit on your trident ?

[deep vine]

Longer shafts?

[naive swan]

No

I’m working on standard mounts

I will see what it takes to put kinematics on the mod

[raven widget]

its full metal upgrade with slides on bed "can thermal expand while warming"

[naive swan]

Yeah I have seen it

I May pick up a kit to try it after some research

If it works on stock trident parts then it should work on the type v

[raven widget]

I am still not sure if go it or no. I never see some comparison before and after installation. how bed warping

[naive swan]

Yeah not sure if it’s much benefit

Right now my main priority is get tri stepper z on both versions

So I can start v2

That will have many upgrades and adds

[dawn vapor]

Final revision. Needs support for the stepper hollow. Needs a bearing from a pom wheel as thats all i had handy. Its push fit. Allows room for adjustment but this will work until new stepper mount designs and minimum cost for the time being.

[naive swan]

great!

[naive swan]

In full swing now

3 down…. 165 left to go

1.25 a glass

35 a glass

Paint is cheap

Too cheap

Not bad for 60hrs of work

[dawn vapor]

Ah cool you airbrush. I haven’t in about two years but i think i was pretty good

https://i.imgur.com/fK0Z1kd.jpg

That used to be my work

[naive swan]

that looks very good

Lol here is my backlog

havent built in few years, let alone paint

[dawn vapor]

https://imgur.com/a/0EMbTDQ

I see yours and i raise you a 3d of mine

Also back on topic

I had to sand some shims down but i got the bearing stacks configured to what current spec is of shim-bearing-shim-bearing-shim

[naive swan]

that looks good

i have my parts coming in tomorrow, hydra kit, plate, heater, bearings, ge5cs

steppers get here on thursday

after this, i will be ready to build type v and go hydra on type z

[deep vine]

Does this require both pieces reprinting or just the top?

[dawn vapor]

Just the top

[dawn vapor]

Just the side the stepper attaches to.

[dawn vapor]

Your talking specifically the bearing on the stepper right. Thats just the top part where stepper sits. Thats all you have to reprint.

[deep vine]

Just because you have Added an extra shim in between bearings

[dawn vapor]

Oh no didnt reprint. Just measured all my shims and found any that measured under .70mm and used those.

I had to sand a few to get them to fit

Otherwise the two half’s wont mate properly

Did this hoping to not have issues with the belts getting eaten

Going to look at shaving a mm off the bearing stack entry points on the top where the stepper sits

So i can use the normal 1mm shims the merc bom uses

[vocal terrace]

For ur enjoyment

Their engineer doesn't know how to consult a pin diagram or their manual

[deep vine]

ohh snap, that makes sense

[vocal terrace]

Yes. They didn't say correct direction in their support. Also they didn't even place the heatsink in the correct spot

It's not supposed to be on the stm32 chip

[deep vine]

@vocal terrace did you send them this pic?

[vocal terrace]

No they sent me it

[deep vine]

hopefully they wil send you a new one seeing as tho there no instructions to say which way

[vocal terrace]

Yes there is. They are wrong. Look at the photos I sent of instructions. It's the correct way there. U can't mount it any other way

[deep vine]

yeah its supposed to be on the tmc

the instructions look right to me

[naive swan]

yeah but that picture they sent isnt

[deep vine]

oh shit the email they sent, is wrong ofcourse. i thought the where demonstrating how not to.. lol

[naive swan]

lol I dodged a bullet on the SB2240 it seems

[deep vine]

hahah dont say that @naive swan

i just ordered one

[dawn vapor]

What thickness acrylic sheets you guys using

[naive swan]

2.5mm

[dawn vapor]

You happen to have a source?

[naive swan]

home depot

lol

[dawn vapor]

Havent worked with that before. How did you cut?

Also are you making a mod repository for your cases? I changed out the logo on the trident air filter/case. Going to be adding that to my build

[naive swan]

its acrylic 1/4inch i think

[naive swan]

yes

i put instructions on how to add

[naive swan]

table saw with plexi blade

[deep vine]

i ordered 3mm

I’m going to not use the U2C and wire the can tool head directly to the main board

[naive swan]

Nice

[deep vine]

Also the cb1 came

[naive swan]

My board can’t do that

[deep vine]

I noticed only some boards have this feature, I have octopus pro. So I thought it’s better to have one less complicated part to go wrong

[deep vine]

What board you got?

[naive swan]

Skr2

[deep vine]

when you going manta? 😉

[naive swan]

Lol I don’t need to

I have skr2s paired with can give me 6 steppers

So both of these will be skr 2 until i work on quad gantry

[deep vine]

ahh was going to ask about hyrdra upgrade regarding extra stepper

[naive swan]

Hydra prints started

[dawn vapor]

What are you putting hydra in again? And did you solve the bed falling when printer powered off?

[jagged condor]

When using a pcb on sb can you not use direct drive?

[naive swan]

Type z v1 and no but Tri stepper will solve it

[vocal terrace]

What

Are u good?

[jagged condor]

No

[naive swan]

Relax

[jagged condor]

I’m new to this

It looks like where a cw would go

[vocal terrace]

This pcb needs to be bowden

[naive swan]

It’s still direct drive

[vocal terrace]

Yea mounts to cw2 or Galileo v2(not out)

[naive swan]

What pcb?

[vocal terrace]

This for my voron

[jagged condor]

I’m getting mixed answers here

[naive swan]

Lol

[vocal terrace]

Not my ender 5 machine

PCB mounts to the direct drive extruder. It must be used together

[naive swan]

A cw2 with a pcb still has direct drive

[vocal terrace]

The pcb has the fans mosfets on it

U can prob make a mount for not cw2 but that would have alot more useless plastic

[naive swan]

@jagged condor this stuff can be overwhelming, but a pcb usually has nothing to do with what extruder type you have. What is the problem you are having?

[vocal terrace]

Don't get this pcb

Cw2 isn't that good

But I already got it.

Vz-hextrudort where it at.

[naive swan]

Which pcb?

[vocal terrace]

Or ebb36 with a different extruder

Sb2240

[naive swan]

I think there is some confusion here

[jagged condor]

I’m not having problems I’m just looking at similar builds I want to complete and make a plan so there isn’t a lot of problems I have to solve

[vocal terrace]

Go with ebb36 style can boards normally. U need however to make that board work a good wire strain. So PG7 I suggest u buy from ali

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOpxj8u

It's more easily scalable

Also go with sherpa mini or Vz hextrudort

Both are very well designed. Annex (sherpa mini) are over engineers. Then there's hextrudort with lightweight cnc and the crazy mind of mirageC.

R.I.D.G.A reverse integrated idk rest is good for Sherpa mini or stock Vz-hextrudort. Both have mounts for stealthburner out

@naive swan u should try out XOL2 mod for ur machine

Better cooling.

Same mounting

Has beacon support out rn

[naive swan]

@jagged condor here is mine

Xol2 let me look

[vocal terrace]

Ur wires make me upset with u

Ik someone with mantis and umbilical

U should have PG7 ik u got them

[naive swan]

Yet my printer is better than yours🤔

Lol I’m joking

[vocal terrace]

I'll take that bed and make u sleep with itm

I still got it don't need my bed anymore

[naive swan]

Get those thumbs down

[vocal terrace]

@jagged condor what machine?

[jagged condor]

I have e5p

[vocal terrace]

I'm prob gonna go 9mm belts no AWD now

AWD needs metal I guess

[naive swan]

Yeah

[vocal terrace]

Still gonna do inner bar design prob

Or trident kekw

[naive swan]

https://github.com/Vprince099/ZANDVE

[vocal terrace]

Mantis XOL2 or Eva 3 Server Fan is strat

[raven widget]

What is benefit of AWD ?

[naive swan]

Mo powa baby

[vocal terrace]

U can get greater torque and power outta it

[naive swan]

I’m tempted to go for an xol2

Maybe down the line

[vocal terrace]

It's easy to do

And better

[naive swan]

Oh I agree

[vocal terrace]

It's not even much more cash shmonie

[naive swan]

I have a lot in mine

Revo Voron….

[vocal terrace]

U can use that

Also ewww

Rapido better

Bigger number better person

[naive swan]

Yeah also the upgraded gears

[dawn vapor]

Burgo how many coffees deep are you right now

[naive swan]

Lol

[dawn vapor]

You strike me as someone who can pound some coffee

[vocal terrace]

Only thing deep in is ur mom.

[naive swan]

Whoa

[dawn vapor]

Only thing im deep in is your mom

Jinx

You owe me a coke

[naive swan]

Dang now I want a coke

[vocal terrace]

Bruh did they update chat gpt

[naive swan]

I haven’t drank one in months

[vocal terrace]

It's giving me shift results

Shit

[naive swan]

I don’t use AI

[vocal terrace]

Yes I'm adhd and I enjoy coffee. I have a ok setup

[vocal terrace]

I know shit about fish. This the way

[jagged condor]

@vocal terrace can I get a picture of your machine?

[dawn vapor]

I like kona coffee but im not very traveled.

[vocal terrace]

What machine?

Also no at work

[jagged condor]

Mmm work

[vocal terrace]

I have multiple. However a merc isn't one. Need new frame and I don't like their design

[dawn vapor]

You mean you dont keep pics of your babys on your phone?

[jagged condor]

Im at school 😈😈

[vocal terrace]

Oh this one

My fav one

[dawn vapor]

You have 99 problems and a merc aint one

[jagged condor]

Jesus

[vocal terrace]

Not mine actually those rails are expensive AF. Edm cut

[dawn vapor]

I like type z mod. I like it a lot

[vocal terrace]

Jebaitr My driend

[dawn vapor]

Its as close to voron as ill get without spending voron cash

[vocal terrace]

Voron I like but not good enough speed for price

[dawn vapor]

Vzbot?

[vocal terrace]

K3 or vzbot pog

[dawn vapor]

Doesnt that guy have hos bolted to his house

To keep it stable lol

K3 havent heard of that one. Ratrig, voron, merc

And vzbot

[naive swan]

Should be able to pull off higher speeds with the new steppers

[vocal terrace]

Annex beast that sent photo of

[naive swan]

Might need 9mm belts though

[vocal terrace]

It's more too

Cross gantry

[dawn vapor]

What is your main print materials your trying to go to

[dawn vapor]

2.4 is so sexy

[vocal terrace]

Asa for now. PC CF

It's meh

Too slow

@jagged condor there's my machine printer working on rn

Then a switchwire