Ender 5 Plus - Mercury 1 (Classic) with Stealth Burner and New Enclosure Project

[naive swan]

i could care less about wieght

[vocal terrace]

bruh L bozo take. its also the amount of drag form chain. no longer

[shell wolf]

Weighs less than Sherpa micro?

[vocal terrace]

oh wait its micro. I'll go weight it if u want

[shell wolf]

I don’t own a scale I don’t do drugs

[naive swan]

remember this is enclosed and you only have so much clearance

[vocal terrace]

I don't too

coffee

[raven widget]

Hmm coffee

[vocal terrace]

what I got enclosure too and i'mma not go drag chaimns

[naive swan]

on the v2.4 its a different story

it sits low

[vocal terrace]

yea but PG7 is more compressed

[naive swan]

m1 sits and lives at the top

[vocal terrace]

U can just add some nylon with loom too try and keep down lower

[naive swan]

so drag chain....

[vocal terrace]

couln't u literally just go instead of ^ to >

[mild hinge]

I dont have drag chains on the ender 5 plus but the voron I do

[vocal terrace]

but wheres the can

[vocal terrace]

I do on my v2.4 rn but not for long. my merc I'll have 1 cable chain for hydra

[mild hinge]

nice

Still building the voron

[naive swan]

i think thats the cool thing about these we can come up with all kinds of solutions

[mild hinge]

taking my time

[naive swan]

yep

[vocal terrace]

so. my 2.4 is waiting on frame rn. cause I fucked up some frame stuff

but wheres canbus

cxanbus should be here soon.

I have tap

which ngl I woulda done beacon

but I have it

its nice

[naive swan]

mines on the way

[vocal terrace]

beacon oe tsp?

[naive swan]

beacon

[vocal terrace]

ahhh

[mild hinge]

what is beacon ?

[vocal terrace]

@shell wolf flex ur power

its the best probe I believe rn. it uses eddy current

[raven widget]

https://www.modernmakes.ca/blog/beacon-3d-surface-scanner

[vocal terrace]

percise and super fact

fast

[naive swan]

yep

https://github.com/Annex-Engineering/Annex-Engineering_User_Mods/tree/main/Printers/Non_Annex_Printers/VORON_Printers/VORON_V2dot4/annex_dev-stealthburner_beacon_x_carriage

[vocal terrace]

its too much for me though ngl

[naive swan]

just need to print this

[vocal terrace]

tap is expensive too but if u just buy it first its cheaper

[naive swan]

lol

[vocal terrace]

u guys see obico is doing ai instaed of lidar for first layer like bambu

[mild hinge]

70 bucks

[naive swan]

with nozzle came?

cam

[vocal terrace]

yera

they were refunding the nozzle cam

I wish got in

[naive swan]

great i have one

wait what?

[mild hinge]

I have 2 webcams

[vocal terrace]

the beta is closed now

[mild hinge]

nozzle cams*

[vocal terrace]

nozzle mounted

[naive swan]

i have the 3do one

[mild hinge]

I have 2 of them

[naive swan]

@vocal terrace what is getting refunded?

[vocal terrace]

if u buy probe in beta then u don't pay for cam

[naive swan]

?

[mild hinge]

?

explain

[vocal terrace]

doesnt matter u cant join betaa

[mild hinge]

beta for the beacon /

[naive swan]

i have both...

[mild hinge]

i dont have the beacon

[vocal terrace]

this is a obico ai first layer bnetta im talkin abouta

[mild hinge]

gotcha

[vocal terrace]

yea thats some beacon action

[shell wolf]

50x50

[vocal terrace]

is that micro gonna get canbus?

[shell wolf]

the far right side is me probing off the bed

[shell wolf]

no

[vocal terrace]

):

[shell wolf]

k3rabiner

[vocal terrace]

u nnot can enjoyer

[shell wolf]

i am

i just like custom pcbs and the k3 has one

so imma use it

[vocal terrace]

oh just breakout board

[shell wolf]

yeah

[naive swan]

extensions are done

[vocal terrace]

lol

this is why I didn't cut mine alot to begin

[naive swan]

no mine came pre crimp and ready for a hartk board

[vocal terrace]

eww

[naive swan]

my sb2040 wont get here for awhile

[mild hinge]

I have 2 sb2040

[shell wolf]

same

and a btt 2240

[mild hinge]

yea i was looking at getting a btt2240

[vocal terrace]

thats what I have oming

onyl thing. its so long

also don't like default files they include

@shell wolf tell me what filament to use in my build log

u other guys cna too.

[mild hinge]

printing trident feet

[vocal terrace]

@naive swan tell me what filament to set as primary

[naive swan]

Type or color? Or brand?

[vocal terrace]

color.

put photos in build

[naive swan]

Black primary

[vocal terrace]

mine

no

i alreayd did black

[naive swan]

White then

Or gray

[vocal terrace]

I have blue, orange, purple

all sparkels

[naive swan]

Blue

Since it’s not a highlight color

[vocal terrace]

when I upgrade frame ill do grey

[naive swan]

That’s good

[mild hinge]

I mostly use black/red

[naive swan]

Ready

[deep vine]

sexy!

@vengful, i have F360, if you want, tell me what i help your enclose build with, for example the voron skirt with zero G logo. or stealth burner with new logo

[naive swan]

most of it is done, but i can put together the skirt model for the finishing touches

[deep vine]

so the skirt still needs some rework?

[twilit edge]

From what I've seen so far, I think our Build Maestro is at the point of refining small details and fixing issues. I don't think more cooks in the kitchen would speed it up. 😕

There's a programming book called "The Mythical Man Month" about trying to reduce time for a project by adding bodies. After a certain point, it takes longer to get up to speed than just to finish the project. Home dude is really close and I know we all wanna help, but best we can do is be patient.

[deep vine]

yes i agree, naturally i prefer to work alone but culturally ive had to learn to work with others

[naive swan]

Just a few crimps and I can start printing again

Old loom vs new

Damn thing weighed at least half a pound

[twilit edge]

Yasss

[naive swan]

I am really liking this wrap

[twilit edge]

looks great; what is it?

[naive swan]

Automotive Grade wire loom

The aerospace grade stuff is better but not worth it unless you are going to build a gundam or something

Hopefully connected directly to the le potato is enough power

Other wise I will need to connect it to my powered usb hub

[naive swan]

looking good so far 🤞

SUCCESS!!!

sorry using my build log for notes

[deep vine]

Good job, are you printing yet??? 😆

[naive swan]

just finished the config

so far so good

just need to do a pid tune

and fans are flipped lol

i got the canbus temp as well since i missed it

ok dinner time, i will be back! Im excited about this

ok first test was a success, probe is working via can

[deep vine]

Looking good, are you planning to use the 3DO nozzle cam still?

[naive swan]

not sure yet

ok extruder is good

wrong direction but i just have to invert

[deep vine]

!

[naive swan]

I have determined that my under extrusion issues are caused by my bed mesh

I am getting mid print variance

Basically I get +0.01 then +0.02 for 10 lines then switch back when the change was not needed at all

I noticed my klicky is shifting on the back magnet for some points

But even then the way it handles the variance is ridiculous

I feel like I need the offset to be applied by part not shift in the middle of a layer

[deep vine]

That’s crazy! One word…… “Tap”

[deep vine]

What about modding the klicky with bigger more power magnet

[vocal terrace]

just use N52

remember the magnets effect alot of stuff

[deep vine]

makes sense. I like the idea of klicky but I don’t think it’s the best solution

[shell wolf]

@naive swan you do CAD for hire?? 😂

[thorny vine]

@naive swan Your machine looks amazing 🙃 do all the printed parts need to be abs? or could the enclosure parts also be something like PLA? Cant wait for you to release the parts (if your going to release them)

[vocal terrace]

@naive swan mmu opinoin>?

Would u make one?

https://github.com/Annex-Engineering/TradRack

[naive swan]

honestly, maybe. I just need to figure out or wait for someone to do a stepper driven rewind on the spool. like the Bamboo AMS

[naive swan]

Yes, some of the parts can be PLA, like the panel clips or some of the lids but its not as many parats as you would think. As for release, official date is step file will be on the github by the end of the month.

Work has me backed up

but that guarantees that i have done all the part tweeks

i will start releasing sections soon

[naive swan]

code for hire has me backed up and is more lucrative, lol. what do you need help with?

[thorny vine]

Amazing! I'm gonna start with some of the enclosure upgrades so that I can print ABS for the other parts

[shell wolf]

esk8 enclosure end caps 😦

[shell wolf]

My second one gets here today I think

[naive swan]

electric skateboard?

[shell wolf]

Yes sir !!

[naive swan]

lol i want to start a one wheel

[shell wolf]

I do have 50 Sony vtc6 21700s burning a hole in my pocket

and a robotew motor controller ..

[deep vine]

Show some pics for context??

[deep vine]

Will this work with your magnetic bed?

[naive swan]

i dont have a magnetic bed

it better work

[shell wolf]

It will if it’s metal

if you have a bed with embedded big magnets it won’t

[naive swan]

oh i dont

i have a metal pei with the mag sticker on the aluminum

[naive swan]

You gotta be shiting me

My reverse Bowden has been the issue

The moment I pulled it out of toolhead the issue went away

[shell wolf]

put a short run of bowden in the top of the sb, just a few inches

then just leave the air gap like it is now

[naive swan]

ok

that does?

[shell wolf]

same as having a full ptfe tube

mostly was saying that since i assumed your reverse bowden was too short

[naive swan]

no plenty long

its under extruding when inside the toolhead

might be too long as wel

well*

trying a side mount now

[naive swan]

well my ebb is overheating

flatlined at 75c

so close to printing my new mounts for beacon.....

[twilit edge]

I put heatsinks on both the STM32 and TMC driver. I know it's supposed to be the driver, but...

[naive swan]

well im boned

[twilit edge]

Dead dead?

[naive swan]

i cant even get coms back up

[twilit edge]

Oh fml.

[naive swan]

at least its in the return window

[twilit edge]

Is your comm wiring twisted pair?

[naive swan]

it is twisyed

twited

[twilit edge]

I getcha. Dang.

[naive swan]

twisted

i need to sleep lol

[twilit edge]

Good idea. Work on it after rest. 🙂

Continuity would be next test, though. Just in case a crimp came loose.

[naive swan]

i am going to order some igus right now though

the can wire stuff

continuity seems good

to test

[twilit edge]

Well, dang. I haven't had enough coffee for more ideas yet.

[naive swan]

I’m hoping it’s just interference

I left the twisted pair about 400mm too long and coiled it around the ucan

Beside the pi

[twilit edge]

I know CANBUS can run long distances, but maybe?

And you have restarted Klipper, right?

[naive swan]

The whole system

I was even having issues getting my skr to connect

[twilit edge]

Oh. Hrm.

[naive swan]

After 5 full power downs it came back

I’m worried my psu may have kicked the bucket since I haven’t heard the fan kick off in over an hour

But that could be because it’s cold

In the office

[twilit edge]

Huh. The only thing I can think is that long cable and interference, as you suggested.

[deep vine]

https://github.com/kejar31/VoronMods/tree/main/CB-C2

[deep vine]

Use 2.5mm ID ptfe

[naive swan]

well i am ordering directly from IGUS

$55 overnight for 10ft

my cable run is 8ft

[deep vine]

@naive swan the 20x20 fan looks like a good idea for can cooling, mabey you could design a mount for one

[naive swan]

I made one for a 30x10(whatever the fan is for the hotend on the stealth burner, it uses 20mm brass stand offs

But I can’t print it right now

[deep vine]

Why do you think that it’s your wires?

Is it because they are not shielded?

[naive swan]

Not shield or I have a break

Also it could be that my ebb fried

I have a feeling that my moons stepper is the culprit

It is erratic and I am pretty sure I crossed wired it in the past

Could be the ucan as well

[deep vine]

Can you Check the resistance on the coils of the stepper with a multimeter?

[raven widget]

I think moons pancake stepper can couse over heating.

[naive swan]

I have and I think they were .8 or 1.4 but it was the same on both coils

[raven widget]

1,9 +- 10%

[naive swan]

Yeah I have a brand new ldo stepper that I will install when my new ebb36 gets here

[naive swan]

It is not 1.9 for sure

[raven widget]

1.8 is in tolerance 🙂

[naive swan]

I can get the value when I get home

Mine is not within tolerance

I can confirm

So that may be the issue

[deep vine]

LDO FTW.

[naive swan]

i have been saving an ldo for my v0.2 upgrade

Well i ordered a revo voron, 9 feet of igus control wire, 2 daylight on stick pcbs

[deep vine]

Is the igus control wire a 4 wire shield cable with twisted pair

[shell wolf]

depends

igus sells so many bus wires, I can’t remember seeing a tp version tho

[naive swan]

they do

cf113

comes with 2 twisted pairs

well i hope

https://www.igus.eu/product/CF113_D?artnr=CF113.018.D

im using cf113.018.D

2 twisted pairs and and power core wires

[shell wolf]

nice

[naive swan]

supposedly 36 month life if specs are followed properly, also a 2nd twisted pair is nice

not sure if i can use it, i would be nice if i could run the beacon line through it

[deep vine]

Looks good, what connections is on the beacon probe?

[naive swan]

usb

its a 4pin jst pa 2mm

[shell wolf]

no

it’s a molex Sherlock

[naive swan]

No…

Either way I am back up an printing, just need a fan on the ebb36 since the heat is too much for it

For beacon mounting

Just one small tweek for a heat set so I can replace my temp solution

Damn x end stop was an afterthought

As for the ebb fan I will just use this since I have them on hand and they are cheaper than 3007

[twilit edge]

I need to modify my EBB cover to add a fan...

[deep vine]

Did you you wiring up your new cable then?? Pics??

[shell wolf]

huh, guess jst pa are compatible or a clone of Sherlock’s

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/molex/0355070400/403470

that’s the connector beacon specs according to the creator

[twilit edge]

I'm guessing Molex did that on purpose, if that's the case. But yeah, I saw that in the docs and wondered why they chose that connector.

Oh, nice. 2A at 24awg? That's pretty good.

[long fractal]

Looks awesome! Hope to get a mount for the beacon on eva 2.4 soon😋

[naive swan]

it comes with a wire

[naive swan]

i have found alot of connectors are the same, in that design. Might be a patent situation.

i found these when i was working on my laser, and on that xtool had used a 3rd propietary version that seemed to be skirting a patent. But jst pa worked on that as well......and that is how i have so many connector types.

[deep vine]

So how did you get coms back with the ebb

[twilit edge]

A lot of these connectors are semi-compatible on purpose. Not necessarily a patent thing, but like "well, our connectors work better than theirs AND they're compatible!" as a selling point.

[shell wolf]

wait did your beacon not come with a cable

[naive swan]

It did

[naive swan]

The high pin on the microfit connector was not pushed in all the way

Also my under extrusion seems to be caused by pa

Looks great on black but very noticeable on red

[deep vine]

thats sucks! atleast you found it tho.

[deep vine]

You inspired me to go SB ebb36

@vengful can you please link your x gantry brackets, currently i have one belt running to front and one belt running to the back of the gantry

[naive swan]

Nice

[naive swan]

The m1 xbracket on the y rail?

[shell wolf]

Why

[naive swan]

Maybe he is asking about the sb mount

[deep vine]

Both of your belt go to the front

[shell wolf]

..

are those stock m1.1 x joints

I use stock x joints with my merc

[deep vine]

Is the stock m1 joint what vengeful is running?

[naive swan]

Yes

[deep vine]

I’m swapping to SB

Ahh

[naive swan]

Because of cable chain only

And a 450 mm x rail

[deep vine]

yeah i have the standard rail, but i swear your joints look different

i thought you had differnent mounts

[shell wolf]

what joints put the belt in the back ?

[naive swan]

Back?

[naive swan]

I have a special adapter

For the chain and y endstop

[deep vine]

okay, that make sense, i'm trying not to use cable chain so therefore i can just use the standard joints if

[vocal terrace]

dont buy backers unless ur enclosed. @deep vine

[deep vine]

what do you mean by backers?

[vocal terrace]

x gantry brackets

[deep vine]

ohh you mean metal brackets?

[vocal terrace]

Yea I raed backers...

[deep vine]

i do plan to go enclosed, when vengful has finished his design, this is what i will do,

[vocal terrace]

theres gonna be a enclosure by zerog.

[vocal terrace]

tap....

i see it

im assuming u guys gotta modify it or is it stock good?

[deep vine]

he built a merc 1 then started designing and building his own encloser. im building a merc 1 too, im also changing me toolhead from eva to stealth, with tap and can

[naive swan]

yay....2026?

[vocal terrace]

ill prob do top mounted electronics

[naive swan]

time to install beacon

[vocal terrace]

manual twisted pairs sucks

[naive swan]

yes it does, used my vise and some jigs. then some heatshrink to hold it

[vocal terrace]

the heat shrink made it so easy

@naive swan is top L and H or bottom 2?

[mild hinge]

I built the merc 1 also with eva tool

in the process of building a voron 2.4r2 too

vengeful had a nice merc 1 build

[naive swan]

if i could finish it

[vocal terrace]

2026?

[naive swan]

No the design is done, I release at the end of the month

if i had to i could release in 2 days

[naive swan]

Fan and Beacon are installed

[deep vine]

What’s temps like now on the ebb?

[deep vine]

Sexy!

Let us see how flat that fabreko bed is then 😉

[mild hinge]

Beacon looks awesome

@naive swan yea I'm ordering parts for the same design Just waiting for the release of the stl's and order some more black/red filament.

[naive swan]

dont know yet

[naive swan]

06:01:17
$ BED_MESH_CALIBRATE
06:06:41
// Sampled 291005 total points over 2 runs
06:06:41
// Samples binned in 10198 clusters
06:06:46
// Mesh calibration complete
06:06:46
// Bed Mesh state has been saved to profile [default]
// for the current session. The SAVE_CONFIG command will
// update the printer config file and restart the printer.

[twilit edge]

YEOW that's detailed

[deep vine]

Looks like you need to install the hydra to allow for thermal expansion; 😉

[deep vine]

But jeez that a lot of probs points

[shell wolf]

is that a 100x100 or what

[raven widget]

its look like 380x380

[shell wolf]

how’d you come to that conclusion you math genius

[raven widget]

Sampled 291005 total points over 2 runs
expect sqrt root (291002/2)

[shell wolf]

@naive swan are you using the stock sb beacon mount?

[naive swan]

using stock

[naive swan]

i did spend a few hours finding out that my x tmc2209 was dying, that was fun

[naive swan]

after alot of screw tilts

22:34:37
$ SCREWS_TILT_CALCULATE
22:34:41
// probe at 28.000,292.200,1.780 is z=1.970697
22:34:48
// probe at 328.000,292.200,1.768 is z=1.956832
22:34:54
// probe at 328.000,30.200,1.780 is z=1.969985
22:35:00
// probe at 28.000,30.200,1.788 is z=1.975676
22:35:00
// 01:20 means 1 full turn and 20 minutes, CW=clockwise, CCW=counter-clockwise
22:35:00
// rear_left_screw (base) : x=28.0, y=292.2, z=1.80979
22:35:00
// rear_right_screw : x=328.0, y=292.2, z=1.81116 : adjust CCW 00:00
22:35:00
// front_right_screw : x=328.0, y=30.2, z=1.81051 : adjust CW 00:00
22:35:00
// front_left_screw : x=28.0, y=30.2, z=1.81231 : adjust CCW 00:00
22:35:16
$ bed_mesh_calibrate
22:37:27
// Sampled 116901 total points over 2 runs
22:37:27
// Samples binned in 2598 clusters
22:37:28
// Mesh calibration complete
22:37:28
// Bed Mesh state has been saved to profile [default]
// for the current session. The SAVE_CONFIG command will
// update the printer config file and restart the printer.

1min 15secs

[deep vine]

That variance isn’t bad, only 0.2.

What is up with your tmc2209?

[mild hinge]

Is htere a mount for the steathburner CW2 for the beacon. I just ordered one

[naive swan]

It died for some reason

[naive swan]

There is, I will post the link in a few

@shell wolf can I get your bed mesh settings, I’m getting some weird variance and I have no idea what is causing it

[mild hinge]

@naive swan OK thanks for the stl for the 3do nozzle cam/dragon eva setup I'll look for the link when you post it

[naive swan]

https://github.com/Annex-Engineering/Annex-Engineering_User_Mods/tree/main/Printers/Non_Annex_Printers/VORON_Printers/VORON_V2dot4/annex_dev-stealthburner_beacon_x_carriage

[mild hinge]

@naive swan thanks

[deep vine]

ohh the faulty moons motor

[naive swan]

oh no, the one that died was on the x

Missed lines is still a problem

I have eliminated this so far

1 its not a comms issue(broken wire-bad connector) since i switched to can bus
2 its not the stepper driver or mcu, since i swapped out the 2209 3 times and i swapped he can bus once
3 its not an overheating issue since i run fans on my stepper drivers
4 its not the stepper since i have 3 so far(Moons,Fystec,LDO)
5 its not my pa, since lowering the value just hides the issue
6 its not my rotation distance or my bowden since since its doing a 100mm pull properly

remaining checks

1 the issue gets exaggerated when i switch to red, to the point that it clogs my nozzle. black just adheres better its doing the same
2 temp 240,250,260 show the same results
3 nozzle,hotend, and heater/therm are the same as my v0 and i am not getting this issue - but maybe i damaged my hotend with crashes
4 try a different slicer
5 tighten every z motion bolt
6 fine tune mesh
7 try a different build plate
8 mess with my z configs
9 change out lead screws to stock
10 change both z stepper drivers

i want to mention that i was printing fine for a week and now i think that my crashing bed may have damaged my steppers or my drivers or my mcu

since when the bed crashes it sends power through the system

this has to be related to my z motion

[raven widget]

I solved same looking issue but it was issue on extruder fan I have to resolder cables on his pcb. ,but it doesnt must to be your problem.

[raven widget]

what do you mean crashing bed sends power trough the system ?

[naive swan]

the bed falls when the motors are shut off

like straight down

Like this

I turn off the motors and it goes down

[raven widget]

i dont think it can make enough energy to take out 2209

[deep vine]

no i dont think this would damage the mcu or any other electronis

the boards have protection against this

however i did dee somthing the other day that would prevent your bed from dropping

[naive swan]

I know

E brakes

They are sold out

[deep vine]

ahh

https://www.projectr3d.com/shop/p/z-motor-break

[naive swan]

That’s how I am going to solve this

[deep vine]

shit i just realised they are sold out

can you not just park your bed to z max after each print

[naive swan]

For now I am going to add some gcode that lowers the bed the shuts off the motors

[deep vine]

yeah

okay so which motor are you having this problem with?

[naive swan]

z

[deep vine]

one of the core xy?

ahh

is it not adjusting?

[naive swan]

The z movement during a print is not accurate

That’s my current diagnosis

[raven widget]

what is your MCU board ?

[naive swan]

skr2

[deep vine]

did you try a differnent slicer?

[naive swan]

not yet

but i dont think thats it

[deep vine]

9 out 10 problems i have like this always was slicer

[naive swan]

it doesnt send gcode commands mid part

[deep vine]

not but the gcode from the begining could have a fault

i thought you fixxed this problem when you removed the reverse bowden

or was that a different fault?

[naive swan]

Here is an example

Imagine I have a part printing

[raven widget]

you use 4 or 5tmnc drivers ?

[naive swan]

Right now 4 on the skr 2 one on the can

[naive swan]

Anything at .25 prints fine

[naive swan]

Anything with z motion goes to shit

[raven widget]

meybe try 2 tmc on Z

[naive swan]

I have 2 2208s on z

[deep vine]

whats the run current

[naive swan]

For z it’s .5

[deep vine]

try 0.8

whats your sense resistor?

did you leave it default?

[naive swan]

Default

I never have messed with sense resistor

[deep vine]

defo increase motor current

try 0.6 then 0.7

[deep vine]

Got my ercf almost dailed in well

[naive swan]

very nice

[deep vine]

what you got planned next for your printer

[naive swan]

convert my v0.1 to a 0.2, then a trident mod ender5 plus

also that will have voron badges

[deep vine]

nice, sounds good, what exactly is the trident E5+ mod? do you mean covert it intp a trident?

[naive swan]

add trident z motion

uh my bed isnt crashing anymore

what the f

[deep vine]

what did you do?

[naive swan]

turned up to .7

20 rounds of screw tilt adjust

checked all the z system screws

[deep vine]

mine are 0.68 on standard bed. so not surprised you had to turn this up. what motors are you using?

[naive swan]

the 2 screws on the front left 2010 extrusion needed some tightening

on z no idea

let me find the listing

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B6XR8QG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

[deep vine]

ahh thats good you have 1.5 amp max rating on them so dont go over 1.2

and your drivers are rated for 2amps so your defo good on them

[naive swan]

yeah just dialing in the bed screws

[dawn vapor]

Loving your build and im about to head in same direction. What enclosure design are you using?

[dawn vapor]

Also are those tension towers part of your enclosure. So jelly.

[shell wolf]

Yeah, it’s his enclosure design to be released soon

[mild hinge]

yep nice design for sure

just installed the trident feet on the ender 5 plus

also printed some feet for the voron 2.4r2

they are installed too

printing wire brackets for the cable mgmt

[twilit edge]

How many starts are on those lead screws? You mentioned it once and I forgot.

[long fractal]

What leadscrews are you using?

[deep vine]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B6XR8QG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

[deep vine]

His have 8 starts I believe

[long fractal]

Yeah, tr8x8 is too big for a bed this big and heavy

You would want tr8x2 or tr8x4

[deep vine]

That would make sense, do you think if he used less starts, his bed wouldn’t drop when power off?

[long fractal]

Yeah definately

I use tr8x2 and have no issue with it dropping

I havent tested tr8x4 but it might be fine too. I prefer tr8x2 though

[deep vine]

You have mic 6 too?

[long fractal]

Yup

And a plus sized machine

[deep vine]

8mm??

[long fractal]

So a 370x377 bed

Iirc 9mm haha

[deep vine]

Ahh okay,

Which bed do you have?

Like brand?

[long fractal]

I ordered mine from kris3d

You could ask for the current amount of stock in his chat at the vendors chat in this channel

[deep vine]

@naive swan this is probably a better solution than the z brake circuit board

[deep vine]

Actually yeah I’ll ask cheers

He seems closest to uk 🇬🇧 aswell

[long fractal]

Yup

[raven widget]

my today come into country after 3months 😄

[deep vine]

Where did you order from?

[raven widget]

funsor

[deep vine]

Oh, I had seen that an Ali

[raven widget]

i was w8 2,5month and he send it by DHL 2weeks back

[deep vine]

https://m.de.aliexpress.com/item/1005005132157149.html?_randl_currency=GBP&_randl_shipto=GB&src=google&aff_fcid=b5e83c44141940dab4049a73ee2bb0fe-1678562106363-04419-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=b5e83c44141940dab4049a73ee2bb0fe-1678562106363-04419-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=0ccb61c137344ac3a5c02de4238d719d&afSmartRedirect=y

[deep vine]

Wow

[raven widget]

I am from Slovakia 🙂

[deep vine]

Your have to let us know what it is like?

[twilit edge]

And a simpler and possibly cheaper solution, too

[raven widget]

I order 230V 370x370

[raven widget]

sure 🙂

While assembling hydra I run into issue , wobling - TR and stepper shaft arent align

[naive swan]

4

[naive swan]

Trx8x8 integrated lead screw steppers

[twilit edge]

I'm pretty certain that's your issue. 😕

[naive swan]

Oh I know

If I can find a trx 8x2 integrated lead screw steppers I will order now

I’m done waiting on the brakes

[raven widget]

just pick lead screws and 8to8 copling

[naive swan]

Got some goodies

[naive swan]

I want to avoid that

At this point, I am thinking that I will solve it when I do the trident mod

If this new hotend doesn’t solve my issue I will order a carbon…..

[raven widget]

I still have same issue , with random stop printing.

[naive swan]

I know, I talked to you last night!

[raven widget]

we have little time shift 🙂 EU

[naive swan]

Mine is worse, the hotend can’t keep up with my prints

At any speed

[raven widget]

i go 2 times down with speed, I made 2 full print and 3 randomly stop

[naive swan]

It’s like the filament is catching somewhere

[naive swan]

What was the error?

[raven widget]

just stop extrusion

[naive swan]

Oh

[raven widget]

after little push fillament work again

[naive swan]

Stepper amps and what stepper?

Because your under extrusion happens after time right?

And what is your pa value?

[raven widget]

[tmc2209 extruder]
uart_pin: PE1
interpolate: False
run_current: 0.35
sense_resistor: 0.110
stealthchop_threshold: 0
[temperature_sensor tmc2209_extruder]
sensor_type: temperature_host
min_temp: 10
max_temp: 100

moons

pancake

[naive swan]

I hear you should be running moons at .6

[raven widget]

pressure_advance: 0.05

[naive swan]

That’s high

Have you tried turning it down?

[raven widget]

No ,I newer check this in config

[naive swan]

The pa may be too high

The current may be too low

Also do you have a new nozzle laying around?

[raven widget]

PA = 0.03

current = 0. 5

[naive swan]

Best way is to tune pa but you can turn it down for now

So .03 is a normal value for cw2

[raven widget]

i was lowering current on that moon after becouse he was over heating

but we will see

[naive swan]

As for current, see if .5 works but do not bother going higher than .6

[naive swan]

Yeah that’s the problem with enclosed

You could cool it

With a fan

[raven widget]

i think i will go with can bus setup as you have and put there fan

i was repairing cables 2 times in 2weeks

[naive swan]

Chainflex

All your cable problems will melt away

Can bus or not

Just need the right model

Igus has a lot of options

[raven widget]

my trident reach 3000m filament used

[naive swan]

Nice

I have a theory

The Bowden on the hotend may need replacement

[raven widget]

i think same w8 i order capricorn tube

but i am not sure if inert diameter is good choice

[naive swan]

I don’t know if Capricorn is the best for this

It’s tight tolerance

[raven widget]

y, but I will try it, what is standar dimension for bowden ?

id 2 od4

[naive swan]

2id 4od

[raven widget]

my capricorn have id2 od4 its look ok, i dont use standard trident spool holder, i have sitting eibos on top

[deep vine]

How flexible is it?

Finally a brand that’s in my country 😄

[naive swan]

about as stiff as good cat6 but it is almost rubber

it recovers its form

[deep vine]

Sounds good, I’ll order some to 👍

[naive swan]

i posted the model id before

and the spec sheet

[deep vine]

Yeah okay I’ll look

Also where you talking about trying to get the best Bowden tube size?

I was having problems with the ercf using stand 4OD 2ID

[naive swan]

no the mest type

best*

[deep vine]

So reading in the Voron manual for the ercf, they recommend 4mmOD 2.5mmID

Less friction

Mabey it’s worth testing

[vocal terrace]

why u caring about tubing?

[deep vine]

But yeah, the I found Capricorn has less resistance I also found

[vocal terrace]

tradrack pog.

I needa print more stuff

[deep vine]

?

[vocal terrace]

im in a beta for the tradrack mmu https://github.com/Annex-Engineering/TradRack

@naive swan what thread size u use for PG7?

[naive swan]

i just grabbed the stl

[vocal terrace]

ok

[naive swan]

but i think its 12 or 12.5

[vocal terrace]

I'mma redisgn my canbus mount for my Zerog and my voron

[naive swan]

ok

[vocal terrace]

I think I may make a frame similar to the way that tridents are with top mount electronics for my zreog

[naive swan]

yep

[vocal terrace]

I like Eva and will prob go cpap at some point

[naive swan]

the down ward mount is nice if you have a door

[vocal terrace]

wdym?

@naive swan u should join the betta. The mmu isn't bad for price.

bruih I've been dealing with fish too much recently

[naive swan]

fish?

[mild hinge]

Im building a voron right now

using the ender 5 plus core xy to print the parts

still need to find away to mount the 3do cam on the dragon eva tool head

got the 3do Cam working on the steathburner

[deep vine]

I’m sure someone already did a mount for it. Can’t remember where I seen it tho.

[mild hinge]

Yea

the one i tried earlier didnt work

[deep vine]

Which one did you try? Send pics and dimensions of the beacon

[raven widget]

Plate is 8.1mm high ,for first measurment by ruller its little warped from front to back. mag sticker and pei/pei are 377x377.
Heater is little over plateon on every side 0,5mm,
Plate look like anodized.

[deep vine]

it doesnt look too bad, hopefully bed mesh isnt to bad either?

[raven widget]

not yet. i am still building

[naive swan]

mine is not great

[raven widget]

meybe it will warp in other side when heated 😄

[naive swan]

it stays the same at least

so its a consistent warp

[naive swan]

well i solved the issue

the exturder gear was too far forward

[naive swan]

Aside from it sounding like an arcade in here, it’s ready to print back ups!

seriously sounds like an arcade machine, lol

Time for sleep

[deep vine]

Did they finish printing?

[deep vine]

The top square looks suspicious 🤨

[naive swan]

that was the first patch in my first layer tune, it needed to be baby stepped up since my offset was not perfect yet

[deep vine]

nice! they look clean

[raven widget]

will you use CW2 ? or have you considered Orbiter 2.0?

[naive swan]

Cw2 is prone to printing issues long term so I may be looking into a more permanent solution long term

Most likely I will go metal if I do switch

Orbiter, Sherpa , bmg…. Not sure yet

[raven widget]

My printing issue was from CW2 ,after 2 reassembly its start work again 😄

when I reach 14mm3 on its skip and doesnt extrude without help

[naive swan]

Yep mine was a tolerance issue. Heat creep made my filament catch—-after 200 hrs of printing

[naive swan]

I have that same issue but it was my hotend for that issue, revo Voron solved my issue

[vocal terrace]

esun?

[vocal terrace]

vzz-hextrudort

people have canbus mount for Stealthburner done. Also the mount for it

[deep vine]

has anyone tested the vzz-hextrudort? does it help remove some artifacts?

[vocal terrace]

I have two.

[deep vine]

how do they compare to orbiter v2?

[vocal terrace]

dont have one.

[naive swan]

Polymaker abs

[vocal terrace]

oh. oof

[naive swan]

What is wrong with that?

The parts came out great

[vocal terrace]

i thought was esun abs+

i just want sparkle

[naive swan]

Abs+ is now only reserved for none heat soak parts

[raven widget]

first print after repair 200mm/s

[naive swan]

what is that?

[vocal terrace]

i do a good abs+ blend. aka sparta 3d

[naive swan]

ah ok

[vocal terrace]

https://sparta3d.ca/collections/abs-filament/products/shttps://sparta3d.ca/collections/abs-filament/products/sparkle-abs-filamentparkle-abs-filament

why I do abs+

265C nozzle and 100 bed. but 110 on voron

[naive swan]

yeah for hotend duty its polymaker abs or asa for me

after i print the skirts im printing 4 Nevermore v5s

[vocal terrace]

c ough ciough make maxes

[naive swan]

gotta make use of this.....

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XIIILGQ/ref=twister_B07YGYJC3H?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&coliid=I2V4DJRL78VDIE&colid=6LHCSR6YB18Q

[vocal terrace]

acid washZ/.

[naive swan]

no this is clean

rail safe stuff

nevermore max

ok

65mm fan...

nah im out

i got better projects to work on

[vocal terrace]

lol HE FINALLY FOUND IT

[naive swan]

what do you mean by this?

this > acid washZ/.

i thought you were knocking on my carbon

[vocal terrace]

Acid wash?

Meant

[naive swan]

no the carbon is acid free

[vocal terrace]

pog

[naive swan]

tested by others

[vocal terrace]

so one my frame extrusions is real fricked up ):

guess my E5+ frame will be sooner

[twilit edge]

I use EnviroSupply virgin coconut in my filters. I love it.

[naive swan]

im not fond of the pricing, but it is the best i have found so far

i get shipping is expensive but the only way to avoid it is by buying 20lbs

[twilit edge]

Dayum. That's higher than I remember. Have you tried their site directly?

WalMart has 5lb for 40$ with free shipping: https://www.walmart.com/ip/EnviroSupply-4x8-Activated-Carbon-Virgin-Coconut-Shell-5-Pound-Bag-Bulk-Charcoal-Gas-Air-Purification-Odor-Removal-Deodorizer-Vapor-Phase-Application/237620460

[naive swan]

ok thats better

ill do thAT

[naive swan]

The enclosure is done! Just need to print the skirts

[vocal terrace]

@naive swan I think I might do a doomcube inspired frame.

cause my frame a bit scuffed

[mild hinge]

@naive swan looking aweasome

[naive swan]

done!!!!

Release day is nigh!!!!

These are in esun since heat is not a problem here

[twilit edge]

Niiiice

[thorny vine]

HYPE haha

[dawn vapor]

Did you modify any of the gantry parts to allow for new bearing stack configurations? (Shim between bearings) for longer belt life or modify the x gantry for better path to Stealthburner?

[mild hinge]

Nice

@naive swan I have the trident feet printed now for the skirt.

[shell wolf]

What are the top 2 skirts

[naive swan]

fan retainerws

[shell wolf]

ahh forgot about those

[naive swan]

looks like this is as good as it is going to get

[naive swan]

this is going to be fun.....

better not fail me... big ass printer that sometimes could

[deep vine]

@naive swan do you use springs under your bed or solid spacers?

[naive swan]

right now silicone bushings

i have tried solid and 6 different sets of spring- my conclusion is i need to change my z if i want to do anything better than a 0.25mm variance

[dawn vapor]

These are all part of the files your working on right?

[naive swan]

yes

[deep vine]

thats interesting, do you mean swap out the whole z system?

[deep vine]

do you mean swap z to hydra?

[naive swan]

i am doing a trident version

hydra already works with this design

[naive swan]

i did not modify the x mounts, in part because this works with the m1 and m1.1 xmount parts

[deep vine]

what benefits does the trident z system have over the original E5P

[naive swan]

less likely to taco, and no need to screws_tilt_calculate, similar to hydra but less moving parts since its not truely kinematic

if you have a fabreeko bed, you are set

[deep vine]

how does it help with taco effect?

[naive swan]

i have to do both since some people will keep the stock bed, so i just need to show it can be done

[naive swan]

not fixed at 4 corners, only 3 point mounting

[deep vine]

ah okay that kinda makes sense to me

im debating the fabreko bed

however not in stock, but is it really worth it?

[naive swan]

i think so

the e5plus bed is huge

so you want a mains bed heater

[deep vine]

yeah i want mains heater for sure

[naive swan]

some people cant even hit 110C

with stock

once you enclose its easier though

[deep vine]

but can mains heater not go onto stock bed?

[naive swan]

no...

i dont think so

[deep vine]

ahhh

[naive swan]

its a pcb underneath the aluminum

not sure how bad that would be but i can imagine it would be good

[deep vine]

yeah i see this, but i thought it could go over or pull the pcb off

[naive swan]

also mains will warp the bed

its too thin

[deep vine]

yeah. too uch power :((

they never in stock tho bro 😢

[naive swan]

ask him to put you on preorder

he is great

[deep vine]

okay ill have to do this,

[thorny vine]

@naive swan do you by any chance want to share the sizes of your panels for the main frame? I have some old panels and want to know if they would fit

Otherwise ill need to get some new ones

[naive swan]

well most of the panels are coroplast

do you want the acrylic ones or the coroplast ones

[thorny vine]

Front side and back, both? But i dont need the sizes for the lid

Cant print abs or asa yet since i dont have an enclosure so i want to see how far i can get with the stuff i have around

Btw my leadscrew on the right side of my bed started squeeking a lot after switching to klipper any idea what it might be?

[naive swan]

you need to square your gantry

also grease it

run z_tilt_adjust

[thorny vine]

Hmm ill try that

[naive swan]

[z_tilt]

Use Z_TILT_ADJUST to level the bed left to right.

z_positions: Location of toolhead

z_positions:
-37, 160
376, 160
points:
33, 160
333, 160

speed: 200
horizontal_move_z: 5
retries: 5
retry_tolerance: 0.0075

you might have to tune the points

[dawn vapor]

Enclosure helps with asa and abs but not entirely necessary.

@thorny vine

Thats asa and i also print abs on it.

[thorny vine]

Also doable with stock cooling?

[dawn vapor]

Little round ears help on corners. Doesn’t look amazing on a smooth bed but looks great on a powdercoated one

I use the prusaslicer profile from voron @thorny vine i think it maxes at 30%part cooling starting at 5th layer.

I have it in a storage closet and i let it vent out before i go in there though

[thorny vine]

I dont have seperate Z drivers will this work?

[dawn vapor]

Def print in a not ventilated room. Drafts arent your friend. Heat soak bed before starting

No wont work without seperate z drivers

But you can do it by hand with calipers.

Or at least get it closer

[thorny vine]

Added to the todo list😂

[naive swan]

then you have to manually square it

[dawn vapor]

@naive swan did you fully breakdown your 5plus when you installed the merc parts? Thinking of doing this. Have never checked frame square since initial assembly.

[naive swan]

i did, kinda. it was fully disassembled when i got it

missing bolts and parts, the whole nine yards

[vocal terrace]

@naive swan my 2.4 extrusions came in!

only issue. bought m5 screws but was gonna wiat. then thought whatever id prob nget them. cough couugh got sent M6 size for tapping

[naive swan]

so you are plus sizing?

[vocal terrace]

this is just my V2.4 r2

for my E5+ I wanna do different than the way the frame is prob gonna be tghinking

4040 I'd wanna do

@naive swan u should join vc

[thorny vine]

Anyone tried these? https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKKLeVy

[vocal terrace]

u can print stuff like this

[thorny vine]

Yeah but was just wondering if anyone used them

[dawn vapor]

Not here no.

[twilit edge]

Oh, I hoped those were TPU gaskets for acrylic panels. 😕

I need to design some for my build.

[vocal terrace]

don't use foam tape. its not supposed to be gasket type stuff. can cause resonance issues.

the foam stuff can compress.

[twilit edge]

Nope, going all printed TPU

[naive swan]

Still working

[naive swan]

under extrusion is back...fml

[vocal terrace]

anti backlash thiongy?

[naive swan]

?

[vocal terrace]

the flat head screw

[naive swan]

push all the way in

[vocal terrace]

that thing u might needa adjust

[naive swan]

ok so back it out?

[vocal terrace]

idk how ur supposed to adjust theres a vidoe in stealthburner voron part pins

[naive swan]

ok let me see how this first layer turns out

i am cranking it down

[printer]
kinematics: corexy
max_velocity: 180
max_accel: 1000
max_z_velocity: 15
max_z_accel: 45
square_corner_velocity: 5.0

[dawn vapor]

The two adjustments on Stealthburner are the guilder screw that allows you to tighten the filament gear. For hard filaments abs to pla its tighten all the way in then back out 1 to 2 full turns. Flexible filaments are 3-4 turns out. Theres also the flat head screw thats supposed to keep the gears from bottoming out or moving too far in. Thats adjusted after you set tension to keep it from smashing flexible filaments.

[naive swan]

ok so i messed with it, did exactly that. the flat head is bottomed out already

as long as i am not missing lines again, i will let this one continue

did have to cancel one part

looks like my problem was my accels were too high

[vocal terrace]

too high flow?

[naive swan]

the cw2 cant keep up

[vocal terrace]

rip.

Vz-hextrudort!!!!! Sherpa mini.

[naive swan]

i think heat creep f'ed it up

[vocal terrace]

sherpa micro.

what fan?

[naive swan]

standard sizes, winsinn

as long as i can print at this speed, idgaf

ill print an asa one then crank it back up

[dawn vapor]

Hmm stealthburner not keeping up on speed. Mainly heat creep is what your thinking?

[naive swan]

i think so, it was fine for about 200 hrs and started getting progressively worse

[deep vine]

@naive swan how is your ebb36 temps now?

What does temp sit at in enclosure

[naive swan]

Replaced my cable loom twice, then went canbus, changed gears, replaced belt, and a new probe method, added a revo voron

not to mention all the tuning

[naive swan]

chamber is 47, can is at 61, beacon 90

[deep vine]

No bad.

[naive swan]

honestly i am concerned i am overloading the le potato

[deep vine]

Does the beacon have its own sensor on

[naive swan]

yes

[deep vine]

Screen shot your settings tab

For mcu usage etc

[naive swan]

ah

[dawn vapor]

Hmm. Thats pretty much what my temps look like on my enclosure

[vocal terrace]

what ur panel thickness?

also @naive swan joibn vc if ur coo,

[dawn vapor]

What voltage fan you got on hotend?

[naive swan]

24v

[dawn vapor]

I know theres some 4010’s with different style fins rated for lower cfm

But my experience on hot ends ends at mosquito. Wanted to try a dragon or revo

[deep vine]

Screen shot extruder section in printer.cfg

[deep vine]

What is 0.33/4

On the system utilisation

The graph for system load

0.33/4

Nm everything looks okay

[naive swan]

dang i think i solved it

[vocal terrace]

What was it?

[naive swan]

linear rods need lube

im giving it 5 layers, but so far its looking good

[vocal terrace]

Lol

[naive swan]

i drop some lubricant in, and by the next layer it start looking better

[vocal terrace]

...

[naive swan]

but that silicone oil only lasr for a little bit

[vocal terrace]

F

[naive swan]

i will drop the bearings in my ultra sonic, and add grease later

[naive swan]

The printer barely cobbled together these skirts

Good enough since that part is decorative and the sides are not visible

[dawn vapor]

Ah. I see what you mean. The back of that looks just right though.

[naive swan]

well i spent hours on the z rods, with nothing to show for it

the issue did not go away

[dawn vapor]

That quality doesn’t look like a zrod issue to me. I cant say ive had any issues on my 5+ and the rods are bent to shit lol i still get accurate cal cubes. That looks like temp/speed to me.

I still don’t understand how speeds are mentioned though like what printing at 120mm/s means. Since theres so many speed settings wall/perimeter/infil/acceleration/etc.

I think im at 80outer perimeter, 250 travel speeds.

[naive swan]

well speed is not it, and the sad part is it went from perfect to horrible. The issue is definitely with long lines

like the extruder cant keep up sometimes

im going to get a feeler guage today to check if my x is bent

or if the bed is warped

[deep vine]

Do you get under extruded prints when you print pla

[vocal terrace]

That looks like layer adhesions issues

@naive swan do a troubleshooting post for dutch/ turtle

[naive swan]

No pla

Let me look into layer adhesion issues

[vocal terrace]

I think that it's prob cause it's not uniform issues

[naive swan]

As for troubleshooting I will just ask Ellis and crew

I think bed mesh fade is the culprit

[vocal terrace]

Oof

[deep vine]

It has to be something simple surly 😂

[vocal terrace]

Pro tip when using oil font spill it.

[naive swan]

I went ahead and stopped it

Good news is everytime Diablo boots me, I have an hr to fiddle around with until I get to the front of the queue

[deep vine]

Either nozzle temps to low or wierd z steps

[vocal terrace]

@naive swan so. needa redo my tapping,....

Also u got ur KFC IO see

[naive swan]

Yep, great game and I got a sandwich

I would have pre purchased though if that fell through

[naive swan]

I’m thinking z steps or a messed up xy

[naive swan]

Well half the skirts are done

[shell wolf]

Any specific reason you went with a 4 piece cross bar for the sides instead of 2 big pieces ?

[vocal terrace]

Tensioner look like

[shell wolf]

could these not be 2 bigger pieces

[naive swan]

@shell wolf it’s a mandatory part so it falls under the V0 rule

[shell wolf]

all main parts have to be printable on v0?

[naive swan]

Basically mandatory parts can be printed on a v0

[naive swan]

Yes, that was my design goal

One of them at least

[shell wolf]

ahh, should be the merc rule

All main parts printable on ender build sheet 😂

[naive swan]

Well it helps with that too

@shell wolf either way you bring up a good point and if time permits I will add a replacement for it

Optional of course

[shell wolf]

yeah, I don’t consider it an issue really — was just wondering if there was a reason 😛

[naive swan]

Lol I guess I just want to make sure it is as accessible as possible

Had to buy extended cables too

[dawn vapor]

Your case design is so good it should be the standard.

[vocal terrace]

It's not going to be.

It isn't for 1 issue. The stock frame is bad.

[dawn vapor]

As in the stock ender5 frame. Its a conversion. Id figure its a deal with it issue lol

[vocal terrace]

I'm swapping frames.

[dawn vapor]

Is that the hold up on the new merc version

[vocal terrace]

No

[dawn vapor]

That were getting a whole new bom that includes frame

[vocal terrace]

No.

[dawn vapor]

Are there any other enclosures for the merc that dont add a frame outside the main frame?

[vocal terrace]

I'm going to be designing my own frame/ with merc most likely. I'm gonna at least keep hydra.

I'm no sure if making the merc is my plan. I'm gonna though have a flipped X axis if it's that way. So my x joints will be bottom of extrusion. Cause space

[raven widget]

will you make some fan duct to backpack ?

[vocal terrace]

Shown photo already

They are printed but not good yet

[dawn vapor]

@vocal terrace swapping frames. You just buying new extrusions and rebuilding stock size frame?

[vocal terrace]

No.

Designing my own setup

I want hydra all installed with minimum extrusions. I don't want to have the steppers taking up extra space which is why I'd flip that part

[dawn vapor]

So more like a trident since those hve 2020 vs 2040

[vocal terrace]

Not quite sure yet. I prefer the mount system of hydra so that's gonna be my bed mount.

I'm toying with swapping to that or hevort

But I may do 3030 extrusions

4040s prob are ideal

For Z if doing 2020s

[naive swan]

Sorry almost done with the Diablo beta

I doubt it will become the standard, but I do hope people adopt some of its concepts

[vocal terrace]

Then name 5 more betas

[naive swan]

The frame sucks but it is designed to make the merc usable and give it solid look without breaking the bank