DID/OSDD-1 System Chat

[pulsar wren]

( no hate to either of those groups btw, just, c-punk is specifically about physically disabled folks, neuropunk also exists )

[wind shell]

Being plus sized isn’t a disability in itself…

And OCD/ADHD are closer to mental disorders.

Nice to know about neuropunk

ArsonCrows [🌑🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) ( no hate to either of those groups btw, just, c-punk is specifically about physically disabled folk…

[pulsar wren]

I associate with both cpunk and neuropunk personally. Cpunk cause of my chronic illnesses and vision issues and other things as well, neuropunk cause of my systemhood and my autism

[wind shell]

Yeah. I associate with neuropunk 100% - autism, system, OCD. Not sure about cpunk - i have recurrent knee and hip issues but they don’t necessarily make me disabled

Also not sure what chronic headaches count as

[pulsar wren]

Idk either

Anyways back to systempunk cause this is the system chat

[wind shell]

Yep

[digital abyss]

idk why ive seen an uprise in endos again but ive been loding my marbles over it

[wind shell]

Yeah

[wind shell]

Feeling switchy. Just got told our landlord didn't give us a rent recite and ruined our food stamps. We just woke up, don't know why this is happening and its just ruining stuff. Gosh I wish life would quick saying lets make the warrior clan systems life hell lately but that's what it has been feeling like. Feels like all of us are left and right rapid switching

[hollow orchid]

I’ve never heard of systempunk or any kind of punk-

[wind shell]

I think it’s mainly a tumblr thing so depends on if you have that

[coral flint]

Thanks for explaining!

[maiden plover]

I looked into it but I couldn't find any definitions of "pluralpunk" do you have any posts you can link?

also the fact that c-punk is literally named with a slur that only physically disabled people should be saying and people who aren't physically disabled still feel like they can use it

[maiden plover]

nvm I found the original post

[heady hornet]

do any of you have i system relationships? if so how do you deal with the super clingy ones?

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 8!

[coral flint]

We do, but could you elaborate on what you mean by super clingy?

[heady hornet]

the are never not with each other anymore and they are both host protectors so they are always close to front and what they say and do are sometimes said outloud

[coral flint]

Ahh that’s difficult,,
I’m not sure sorry, we haven’t had a situation quite like that

[hybrid skiff]

like in-system relationships or partner system?

[green lava]

i think they mean in-system relationships

[hybrid skiff]

ohh

[wind shell]

(Forgot to censor the og message, oops.) Tw ||Homophobia||
How do you deal with a ||homophobic|| alter of the system?

[wind shell]

We took care of it, sorry

[wind shell]

After 4.5 days of no identity I have found one. I’m still dissociated as hell though

[heady hornet]

it depends on why they are homophobic. do they not understand it, don't like it, not sure if they are?

[pulsar wren]

Oof, good that you dealt with it, we have so many homophobic alters

It’s, like, internalised, I think???

Idk

[heady hornet]

it's best to gatekeep them or talk to them and tell them how they hurt others feelings

[digital abyss]

Jokes on you its not that easy to do that /lhj

at least for us

[hybrid skiff]

I wish it was that easy, they’d just call me some not nice names💀

[digital abyss]

i dont even have a headspace or any communication. everyone once in a while i get told the most dehumanizing stuff but otherwise its just radio static and dissociation </3

[pulsar wren]

We don’t have a gatekeeper and they know they’re being homophobic. We just kinda hope and pray it doesn’t get to the point where it bothers other people

[digital abyss]

nah but being real ppl dont talk enough about headmates who are shitty ppl

like we have a guy who will purposely tell sensitive headmates the most horrific dehumanizing manipulative shit just to cause misery </3

[hybrid skiff]

mhm, its not some “evil alter” shit either like assholes say its like genuinely mean and messed up. esp the ones that try to hurt others or cause us harm

[digital abyss]

yeah, unhealed persecutors or wtvr

[hybrid skiff]

mhm

[digital abyss]

were working on that with it in therapy

[pulsar wren]

For us, it’s not always them being shitty, it’s sometimes just a lack of life experience. Like, for our alters who I don’t think know bipoc people exist, they don’t front often enough to have met anyone who’s bipoc and they give no indication they know they exist so that could result in awkward situations but nothing harmful ( they’re not bigoted or anything ) ( plus, we’ve talked to some bipoc folks we know and they seem of the agreement that it’s not the worst thing as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone )

It’s one of those parts of amnesia barriers I haven’t seen anyone else bring up. That some alters are sometimes stuck in a very odd bubble

Idk, it’s an interesting thing

[pulsar wren]

Y’all ever just have
a day:

The day immediately after:

It makes no sense

[heady hornet]

i'm trying! all of our alters are gay as hell (that i am aware of) so we've never had to deal with that before

[digital abyss]

nah its chill what i meant was its hard to communicate in general

[digital abyss]

literally 😭😭😭

[pulsar wren]

[digital abyss]

recently its been mellow

but weve had days like this 😭

modt recent i could find

weve had worse

sighs

[midnight drift]

I gotta say I don't agree. Problematic behaviour does need to be managed and you need to be held accountable for it but locking alters away and keeping them from fronting will stop you collectively processing whatever it is that's made them have that behaviour. It may work short term but long term it can build resentment, further dissociation, worsen amnesia, and overall make it harder to heal and work together in a healthy way

Try to have a little compassion for the rest of your system - they're all doing their best. Their best may be very negative and harmful but you don't fix that by shutting them away

[maiden plover]

imo it depends. If the part puts you or other people in immediate danger or damages your relationships exponentially, preventing them from fronting in those instances can hold more benefits even with the negative consequences however in the situation that was discussed, it's not enough to try and forcably stop a part from fronting. Parts front for a reason, they don't come and go willy nilly, they are triggered out by something, all parts exist for a reason. Moreover, all parts are part of one identity collectively, so if you have a part that is homophobic, that means that some parts of you maintains homophobic beliefs, and that should be worked through, not shoved down.

If a person without a parts disorder had subconcious homophobic beliefs or outward beliefs, it'd be better to work through those beliefs then ignore it and allow it to fester

[hybrid skiff]

thats why alex said preventing them short term and not long term

[wind shell]

I was raised in a very homophobic/transphobic household so had issues with my opinions reflecting that despite being Bi, I found acually being educated and someone being patient with me was really helpful. Might not help everyone, just thought I’d give a different perspective on it

[heady hornet]

one of our adult alters has a crush on an adult but our body is -18 and they've been having to push it away

help 😭

[hybrid skiff]

oh😭

honestly I dont even know how to help with that one honestly yeah just push away and try not to have those thoughts and/or act on it

the alter needs to know/be aware that even though they may be adult they are still bodily a minor

I mean having a crush isnt of itself harmful aslong as you don’t act on it

[hybrid skiff]

er I shouldnt say its totally unharmful but I mean like. thoughts are thoughts you can’t control them sometimes. just, again, dont act on it😭

[heady hornet]

they know and that's why they are pushing those feelings away

[hybrid skiff]

gotcha

unfortunately thats all they can do, or try to redirect those feelings somehow

[heady hornet]

they are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place...

[digital abyss]

Similar here. We have littles who can't grasp the concept of pronouns, and it's hard to explain it because they'll be like "Well (our parents) said (insert homophobic religious thing here) so I don't want to" type thing

[wind shell]

My top tumblr post…

[wind shell]

how do you get over the fear of being judged for your source?

some introjects keep wanting to use the characters in their pfp (because that’s the most comfy) but then get scared of judgement or people asking questions about the source with no warning or being weird about it or treating them differently because they’re an introject from their favourite show or something

(i’m not an introject i’m asking for others in the sys)

[wind shell]

ps long message how we've heard other altars of our system say it is yeah, the source may freak you out, yeah it may not be the best source for a lot of people. We're not like the source much since some of us are a little like the source but none of the bad part of the source. Also say, we're not the source at all. We came from it, but were nothing like it. So you don't have to like the source, but don't blame us for something the source did or something people did with the source? Recently we met somebody who all 5 of our protectors got yelled at by because the person claims somebody was super obsessed with that media and did bad things to them with it. This caused the person to ban our entire source on there discord page. So pretty much banning all or protectors in the process. That is why they left the discord server because it wasn't healthy for us to be there and it wasn't healthy for us to be there and accidentally trigger the person due to just our protectirs names and profile pictures. So yeah you basically just gotta be confident and say, I'm not my source, even if you're a little bit like it. You can say, I'm me, I'm my own individual, I came from this thing, but I am not this thing. I am my own person with my own thoughts, feelings and actions. I'm nothing like what humans portrayed me as, I am nothing bad that humans portrayed me as because of x y z issues. That has helped a lot of people understand our protectors, better and a lot of our protectives are now literally best friends with our host's best friends to the point where just like our host, if the protectors ever went away, or got hurt or something, the friends come and defend them. Because the protectors and other people in the system as well have become family with our host friends. But at the end of the day, you are you source or not? People can be freaked out, but remind yourself the source is just source. It's where you came from, but not who you are

sage {any prns} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) how do you get over the fear of being judged for your source?

some introjects keep wanting to use t…

[wind shell]

fixing our sp ive been doing this for hours

[green lava]

sp stresses me out i keep changing things and im like bro theres too MUCH to DO

but im constantly looking for inspo to better organize it bc im like. its so messy 😭 and it hurts my brain

i just want smth simple enough to where all the important info is there, and the info i gotta know, and thats it

but lawd

sp organization stresses me out
but at the same time, sp saves my life cuz if i didnt have an app like sp, i would not remember SHIT about my system or my alters

and never know
anything
ever

half the time i dont due to communication sucking balls rn

but bc of sp stuff i know some things and thats better than nothin 😭

cuz these mfs dont use journals or notes app properly so i wouldnt know ✨anything✨ w/o them filling out info in sp

which sometimes they leave uncompleted so im like
who
what

but yknow

guys im so tired of being a system

can i just

unsubscribe

from this

please 🙏

brain you dont gotta dissociate anymore please please i wanna live my life please i wanna remember please❤️❤️❤️❤️

[wind shell]

solar holy shit LMAO

/teasing

yeah but i get it

[green lava]

im so sorry i entered yap mode for some reason

the voices

[wind shell]

no no ur fine im kidding

i firgot i can use pk

pfps are dead

wow

thank you pk ily pk 🫶

oh shi blakes pfp just spawned LMAO

LOL

L

me NEXT heLLO

🙁

[limpid siren]

Option to unsubsrcibe press here
Transaction failed, please try again later lol

[wind shell]

NAUR

omg pfp arrived

[midnight drift]

I thought I unsubscribed but turns out they were still charging me anyway :/

(I was aware I had alters but thought they disappeared with therapy lol)

[wind shell]

What subscription? I never signed up for one?

[pulsar wren]

I keep signing up for subscriptions and I can’t get rid of any of them

Also one isn’t being clear on whether or not it’s charging me and for another idk if it’s a subscription cause the account doesn’t have any info attached to it but it takes money from me every month so I think it’s a subscription

[wind shell]

Ok this is confusing me so bad now

I can’t follow metaphors this far lmao

[pulsar wren]

( I’m referencing my “we’re only half sure it’s benign” condition and my undiagnosed ones )

[wind shell]

Ty 🙏

I think my brain signed up for a few subscriptions without checking if I was ok with it first

[pulsar wren]

In regards to DID, I keeping thinking I canceled my subscription but then it charges me again

[wind shell]

Ohh real actually 😭

Dw I was super confused at first 😂

Nova/Noah - he/they ||BIRDS ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I can’t follow metaphors this far lmao

[pulsar wren]

I like to stretch metaphors as far as possible

[wind shell]

Aw man I forgot tenor wasn’t allowed

Yeah it’s super fun I tend to get way off track to where only I know what I’m talking about

ArsonCrows [🌑🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I like to stretch metaphors as far as possible

I sometimes take metaphors/similes literally. I cannot understand them quite a lot of the time (probably why i just scraped a pass in english)

Yeah that’s rough, I kinda just take a minute to “translate” them into context, if I can

[pulsar wren]

Unrelated but I was eating a pain au chocolate and I forgot which part I took a bite out of and then I spent several moments staring at it. The amnesia is strong today

[wind shell]

Yeah

Nova/Noah - he/they ||BIRDS ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Yeah that’s rough, I kinda just take a minute to “translate” them into context, if I can

😂

ArsonCrows [🌑🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Unrelated but I was eating a pain au chocolate and I forgot which part I took a bite out of and then…

[midnight drift]

Same

[wind shell]

Sometimes eat the entire thing and then go “wait- where is it?”

ArsonCrows [🌑🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Unrelated but I was eating a pain au chocolate and I forgot which part I took a bite out of and then…

[midnight drift]

I need to be fronting for a very important appointment in a few hours and I'm feeling very blendy and switchy. Send help

I am literally the only one with the knowledge to do it and I don't think anyone else can mask enough as me to get it done

Chat I fear we're cooked :')

[wind shell]

Write down a note and stick it to your head /silly

[midnight drift]

"hello I am Alex"

Flawless they won't suspect a thing

[digital abyss]

your always in yap mode /t

[maiden plover]

I think we were all forcibly signed up to a life subscription by someone else

TW: discussion of taboo symptoms of trauma

||Lord I wish the more taboo symptoms of trauma were discussed more, like hypersexuality, fetishes, intrusive thoughts, stockholm syndrome etc||

||I don't really see it discussed often but it's stuff I know I really struggle with. Like tbh, having parts is not my worst symptom, most days I don't even notice them, it's all the other symptoms that is really hard||

[pulsar wren]

It all bothers me in equal measure, personally

[maiden plover]

||I mean for me, it's the shame||

||like there's a lot of stuff I jsut can't tell anyone about and it's so isolating||

||There are things that I will take to me to the grave because I can't comprihend telling people and them not being disgusted by me.||

||I can deal with dissocation, flashbacks, parts, panic attacks etc because there are resources, I have a therapist, I have people to talk to||

||but I can never have people to talk to about the worst parts and there is no one to give advice on how to deal with it||

||that's what makes it really hard||

||It convinced you you're unloveable inherently.||

||if anyone knew who you were, truly knew what you experienced, the memories, the urges, the thoughts, they would recoil in disgust.||

[pulsar wren]

Yea, there are things my past and the things it left me with that I think would make most people hate me

Just objectively

[hybrid skiff]

I think thats more a vent topic but I do understand and suffer with some of those aswell

Not that its disgusting or whatever (i litreally suffer with those too😭) I just mean its a deep and serious topic that I don’t think should be in DID ^^

[wind shell]

Agreed ^ Or at the least censor it next time

[maiden plover]

Oh, I didn't realise since I wasn't venting, it was more of an objective fact as to what shame can create

[wind shell]

Dude I'm so disassociated rn

[hybrid skiff]

yeah but it didn’t seem the place to say that and its just a serious topic so next time please censor it ^^

[wind shell]

there’s like. 9 people in/around front

3 of them are singing

[wind shell]

its calmed down now (4 instead of 9), but still sat on the couch unable to do much from the dissociation and confusion. we’ve not had a bad time like this in a while.

[wind shell]

Still just me. God I wish I know who i was ans what I looked like 😔

[pulsar wren]

Do y’all’s brains also take alter source extremely literally?

This is probably from a way we process language in general but with our alters their qualities in source tend to translate very directly into either their role or their personality. Like, Darcy in source has anxiety and our alter Darcy is an anxiety holder. It’s a near 1:1

It makes source separating very difficult, I think the Tubbos are doing source separating the best so far out of our media introjects

[wind shell]

I think some traits are taken more literally, probably because of the way introjects are theorised to form.

From what I’ve heard, it’s like a thing of “oh superman is super strong and nothing hurts him” and then the brain splits him to be a protector sort of thing.

Personal examples for us would be that EPIC Hermes is a bright, cheerful character and we split him to be a mood booster. EPIC Odysseus from the Underworld Saga is very much “I’m a monster, look at all I’ve done wrong” and we split him to hold negative thoughts around a specific event.

I think this comes from the “all parts are here for a reason” thing

[pulsar wren]

True

[wind shell]

Man everyone in the system is up and active but were just like lets sleep its early. Its a very chatty Saturday morning. 🥱 tips to quiet everyone down. Were the one dealing with all the fronting stuff right now which has been exhausting honestly. Been a long time since we front like this. Its going from Finland offering everyone coffee, Denmark checking on others, Norway accepting coffee, Sealand and Ladonia being typical 13 year olds are stealing parts of each other's outfits and being told by their dad Finland to make up, Hanatamago Sweden and finlands dog barking, Sweden un able to find his glasses so he asks Iceland to walk her, Iceland preparing for a dog walk, Lukas dealing with younger alters, one telling her what she sees and the gate keeper singing I'm the gate keeper while kicking their legs happy and Astrid in her room quiet. What a morning. This is all i hear while trying to get shut eye on the couch where we temporarly sleep At least everyone is happy

[wind shell]

Sorry if that was a bit much or seemed harsh, didn’t mean it in that way. Just wanted to be informative

ArsonCrows [🌑🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) True

[wind shell]

? I think he was agreeing with you

Dante || He/They 🪽🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Sorry if that was a bit much or seemed harsh, didn’t mean it in that way. Just wanted to be informat… 📎

just agreeing with you

you don’t sound harsh to me

Ah ok

[hybrid skiff]

Mhm this is a perfect expiation ^^

Explanation *

[hybrid skiff]

Holy fuck, if I could see HS like that I think I’d explode

Thats just impressive at that point

[digital abyss]

This 😭

[hollow orchid]

EPIC Penelope over here 😭

[wind shell]

Somehow managed to get Hermes, Odysseus, Television (/silly) and Circe

Tbf a lot of shit happened last month

It does make a lot of sense

[hollow orchid]

Telemarketer (/j)

Yeah

I'm currently listening to EPIC

[hollow orchid]

W song

I'm listening to the whole thing through and I'm gonna cry again because I'm almost at Open Arms. We're are Full Speed Ahead

[wind shell]

Haha

[hollow orchid]

Oh my gosh- We came to Polyphemus and there was a cooking commercial 😭

[hybrid skiff]

My favorite song is Would you fall in love with me again

[hollow orchid]

That song is a work of art

Also help, we got a teen guy alter and its like one of those gamer ones that are like "Lets gooooo!"

[wind shell]

Always some how been quite good at seeing headspace

V!rus |Ttgs + Pings yes| [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Holy fuck, if I could see HS like that I think I’d explode

[hybrid skiff]

I mean same but its only one room for us

[stable sapphire]

We have a lot of those

[hollow orchid]

😭

[digital abyss]

we cant see anything

[green lava]

yes! this is extremely common for us. we often form attachments to characters from fictional media due to them having or struggling with something we relate to. if we do end up forming an introject based off said character, their roles tend to reflect that

[green lava]

yes absolutely this
its why introjects form in the first place. theres something about that character, whatever it may be, that the brain goes “yeah, this will help do this job i need”

[green lava]

literally 😭
i have good visualization, and i can hear alters talk here and there, but i don’t constantly hear a crowd of alters talking and see things going on in headspace like that unless im actually sitting down and trying to communicate, focusing, and paying attention to whats happening. communication has been hard lately unless someones in direct co-f 😭🙏

[weak basin]

GG @green lava, you just advanced to level 8!

[green lava]

woah

[pulsar wren]

Yea. It’s probably we’ll never split Philza and probably why we haven’t split Philza

We have most of the other folks in the sbi bonus cast ( Phil, Wil, Tech, Tubbo, Ranboo, and Tommy ) and some from the same person but Phil is the one exception sort of, our Techno is technically both Tech and Wil but is primarily Tech, and I think it’s just cause he’s not very needed and we have little attachment to the man. He’s a father figure in a lot of fandom interpretation and our sys is not short of father figure alters

[ we’re not a dsmp fan by any means btw ]

[digital abyss]

This is why majority of our introjects are original characters who's trauma and backstory reflects ours

[maiden plover]

For the people who have a headsapces, what is it? Is it intentionally created? Do parts just roam around autonomously? Like do you each have separate actions inside through out the day?

For me, I don't have a headspace unless I try very hard to create it through visualisation and it takes a lot of focus and work. Parts don't exist outside of front/sometimes internal monologue so I'm interested in what it's like?

[digital abyss]

Similar question, we experience the same thing as Matt.

Alike xim, we can only visualize if super focused and it hurts our head!

[wet willow]

same! and we can't visualize the same thing every time. we can sometimes hear eachother though a little like an Internal monologue but not very much

[unique jolt]

Personally for me, as the host (Ash), I don't have a clear view of a lot of our headspace except the main house in district 3. But for everyone else, it's really complex and highly detailed. We spent a lot of time in our imagination as kids to cope and so developed a really complex, highly detailed, very large headspace to cope. I mean, we even have architects to add to the headspace as needed to cope with whatever we are going through in life. I personally can't see much because a lot of the inner world represents traumatic times and it's clear I shouldn't see that yet. It's very easy for us to see the headspace and know what's going on because that's how our brain developed as a coping mechanism. It's very individual, but I also understand that I'm in the minority as someone who has a highly complex inner world and can (mostly) imagine it clearly

The headspace is technically speaking, a therapy tool. It's something you work on visualising to help process what you're going through/been through. I just learnt to do that as a kid because my trauma was considered bad enough for my brain to just completely live in a different work a dissociate constantly through the day in order to survive.
But yes, the headspace is something you can work on creating yourself, and it's not a tool only for plurality. It's for those who are single as well

[maiden plover]

Yes I know that, however I guess there are some people who at least seem to have natural headspace and talk about it as if parts live there? So I was curious since I've only really known about headsapces through academic discourse where it's treated as a therapy tool.

[weak basin]

GG @maiden plover, you just advanced to level 10!

[stable sapphire]

Well our old host found our headspace after questioning being a system for like a month or 2 after a traumatic event around that time that caused mass dormancy and fusion. She found our current gatekeeper though after it had been some time of silence because the few alter that were discovered all slowly faded. The headspace was already built by that time so she tried to explore but didn't have much access. Fast forward to me becoming host. I'm a fusion of the old primary protector and our old host and it created a new person who's me and because of the previous primary protector being a part of me now I became the new primary protector as well as the host and I have access to every part of headspace and I can see it and it's very detailed but I have no memory of creating or of it being created. I have a lot of access but there's also still things I'm not ready to see. It'd like a space ships and I'm the hallways it has doors and each alter has their own room. So alters just go about daily life and talk to each other in the main room right behind the front room or stay in their rooms and do whatever they like to do. So no idea how it got there just found it and pretty sure it's just still getting bigger which is concerning at least for me and yea alters will cook, talk to each other, fight, all the stuff normal people do in the outside world, only to my knowledge there's no jobs really so no one works except for some of the alters who are like business men and work from home and no idea what they're working on

[hybrid skiff]

Theres so many walls of texts LMAO

Our headspace randomly appeared one day

[green lava]

as a kid imagination was also a massive coping mechanism since we dissociated so much, but we spent a lot of time in our story world we created at the time. we had no idea we were a sys so we didnt create any headspace

when we realized we were a sys, our headspace started off as a black void. overtime we developed it into a fronting room and a full house with rooms. for us, the rooms just kinda help us organize/visualize “where the alters go when not near front” but they dont do anything as far as we know aside from have conversations in the background that we rarely get random snippets of.

all we hear is sometimes random replies to what we say outloud or internally from an alter who is cf, co con, or even not fronting at all but has good communication. (we have one guy who does). and sometimes we hear random snippets of convos between alters but we absolutely cannot tell who is having that convo

[wind shell]

we used to have good visualizarion but after some bad medications we developed anphantasia

[green lava]

fuckin
meds :(

some meds suck balls

and do worse than better

[digital abyss]

real

[hybrid skiff]

Mhm

[lyric pivot]

I’m a suspected system and I start partial tomorrow so does anyone have any tips or advice

[pulsar wren]

What’s partial?

[lyric pivot]

Partial inpatient hopsitalzation

[pulsar wren]

Ohh

[maiden plover]

Why do you suspect you have DID/OSDD? You should definitely notify a staff member when you start about your symptoms or suspicions so that you can receive adequate evaluation and treatment if you do have a complex dissociative disorder. Considering DID/OSDD are very very serious disorders, it's important that at least possible symptoms are addressed even if you don't feel comfortable pushing for a specific evaluation.

[nocturne hinge]

on of my close friends has started showing signs of DID and is getting assesed, to those of you who do have it is there anything i can do to helo support them?

[rose oxide]

ask them what they need, and also be patient :)

[weak basin]

GG @rose oxide, you just advanced to level 11!

[wind shell]

Research + what Hypernova said.

nona ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) on of my close friends has started showing signs of DID and is getting assesed, to those of you who …

[wind shell]

our case worker just quit for school related stuff and were crying, she was so sweet, kind and a lot like us ans accepting of us all. Now we have to wait till July, no way to go grocery shopping and are super scared the next case worker won't be nice about our system like the one before we got our last case worker was. We just lost a safe person ans are crying on the couch after not being able to sleep all night again 😢 god our host identity is gonna be devastated, they never had someone so able to bond with as another autistic person in their area. Gosh these news are gonna hit rough

[hybrid skiff]

i think this would fit more in vent 😭 this doresn't have anything to do with did /lh

[wind shell]

sorry thought it did because are scared to revile ourselves to a new person because of how people view systems. My bad. The vent kept deleting our vent. I'm sorry

V!rus |Ttgs + Pings yes| [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i think this would fit more in vent 😭 this doresn't have anything to do with did /lh

[coral flint]

It could be, but that message is definitely a vent
Something more fitting to be here would be a question for advice on feeling comfortable with a new person or something /lh /nm

[wind shell]

yeah were sleep deprived as hell, scared and so sad been going on for weeks due to issues system related issues to. Sorry guess I can't think straight and was scared plus alone

[wind shell]

Its fine but there was really no mention or hint towards that in the message. Just please next time anything talking about troubles or something that makes you upset just go in vents please

Unknown 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) sorry thought it did because are scared to revile ourselves to a new person because of how people vi… 📎

[maiden plover]

Uh, do I leave the message up? It told me not to send links but didn't delete my message and deleted itself?

I forgot about the link thing

[coral flint]

I can’t see the message, so I think it deleted it

You can probably put the link in #promotions

[maiden plover]

Oh I think the app glitched then cause it shows up for me lol

[coral flint]

Yeah probably haha

[maiden plover]

Eh nah I'm not gonna put it in promo cause it was a song that was specific to PTSD and dissociation and I think it'd be a bit weird to put that in promo

It is what it is lol

[coral flint]

What’s the song called?

[maiden plover]

To watch the world spin without you by Mon Rovîa

[hybrid skiff]

Yeah thats only to promote things

[midnight drift]

Question for simply plural users - does it require you to track who's in front?

I may be confused but last I remember it comes up with a notification on your phone to check who's in front. Id like to use it to track data and show friends basic information on who's about but I don't want to track who's in front. Is this optional?

Or did I accidentally make the whole thing up?/lh

It's just a little tedious typing custom profiles for close irl friends

Follow up question - are all profiles public or is it invitation only? (I.e. people can only see it if they know your username/profile code)

[pulsar wren]

It doesn’t anymore as far as I know and the profiles are friend only as far as I know, people have to friend request you to see them

[midnight drift]

To clarify - it doesn't have front tracking anymore?/gq

[pulsar wren]

It has front tracking but it’s not a requirement to track front afaik

[midnight drift]

Ahh ok ty!

[stable sapphire]

I know it was already answered but I like explaining so I will. But yea no its not required and no messages should come up and for the profiles, when you make them it starts out on private so only you can see them and then there's privacy buckets that you can group people into and those buckets you can also group alters into and then people in those buckets can see only those specific alters with the same bucket and if you're just showing people on your phone/device irl you can keep them private and the private buckets are for if you add people on the app

[hybrid skiff]

Yeah its optional, I mean like you don’t need to hit the button to track front. Thats all

[hybrid skiff]

All private unless if you add someone but still is private and you add choose what they see, like everything is customizable

[hybrid skiff]

Fair enough, it helps us because then we know everything about them and it allows them to customize their own profile to their liking.

Plus tracking is good for amnesia but yee its not required

[wind shell]

we can’t do tracking anymore because we forget it exists so we just use that function occasionally really

we only do it if it’s really busy or right now when we’re more, like, aware it exists but most of the time our sp is literally just how we’re feeling and interaction boundaries (iwc, dni, bad replies, that stuff)

[wind shell]

Same with us

[digital abyss]

We track to help amnesia, as well as fields and groups help with our blackout

[wind shell]

can alters form from songs? /genq
like have an attachment to a song and feel like that song is part of them.

Yup! One of our littles

i feel like we’ve thought about that before and known about it but never actually categorised it in sp lol.

[maiden plover]

See I don't understand that because my amnesia stops me from tracking if I wanted to. I forget it exists and identity confusion makes it hard to know who's in control like 90% of the time if I'm not just assuming it's me

(I'm not saying you're wrong obviously, I just find it interesting how different things work for different people)

[pulsar wren]

I think it depends on the system really. For us, tracking is more of a processing thing, knowing who’s front at what time makes life easier to process mentally

[green lava]

yee its different for everyone!
us personally, we mostly all remember to track in SP. its a collective memory thing now that weve done it so long its ingrained in our brain lol. we have collective memory for some things, but not all. and, of course, there are times in worse dissociation and amnesia where we DO completely forget to track whos in front. we have many alters with way higher amnesia walls.

also, yeah, its been hard sometimes tracking because we dont know who we are, but we have a “blurry” one that we keep up for those times.

everything depends on a lot of things pfft. but tracking at least a little bit is better than nothing anyway. it helps us gain more info and keep track of things

best we can, at least

it doesnt fix all amnesia thats for sure 😭

but it helps moreso than if we didnt have it

we remember SP more than we remember to write something in our notes or a journal or anything

w/o SP we’d be wayyyyyy more lost 💀

[hybrid skiff]

Mhm

[digital abyss]

We have one or two

[digital abyss]

It took years of therapy to reach a point of understanding identities and parts.

[hybrid skiff]

This isnt the vent channel 🫶

[digital abyss]

uh.

[azure egret]

sorry

[digital abyss]

It's alright

[hollow orchid]

I told my boyfriend about having DID/OSDD and so far he’s a bit slow

[wind shell]

Happens

Atleast hes not disrespectful about it, its problaby confusing

I mean if I was not a system I’d be pretty confused too

[hollow orchid]

like he acknowledges that I want to get assessed one day, but he doesn’t exactly know that I’m not myself all the time

[wind shell]

Mhm

It’ll take some time but I’m sure he’ll get there

[hollow orchid]

Yeah, me too

Maybe 😭

[maiden plover]

It might be useful to explain it through an analogy if you can find one that fits

Like some people use a game controller analogy and the tv as your POV

You could also try explaining ego states, sense of self, parts theory to him but that's a bit complex and may be overwhelming

[green lava]

i always just grab some articles i have when i gotta explain it to someone lol

i just tell them to read it

its important that people learn to do their own research because it helps them learn to understand someone else’s experience the best they are able to while not experiencing it themselves

if they dont try to understand at all and get the facts and research done and educate themselves then they arent helping themselves or those around them effected by it. it just leaves them ignorant which leads to issues 😭

i think analogies are good, but people should also spend the time to learn the complex stuff. it is a complex disorder after all, so its gonna be complex and hard to understand at first. however, personally, once i learned about ego states and structural dissociation and how it forms from my therapist and further research, it made so much more sense to me. before i realized i had DID i didnt understand DID/OSDD at all. but once i learned about it i was like “oh shit everything makes sense now. i understand it and i understand me”

obviously people who dont have it wont relate to it but it will at least help them understand why it exists and how it actually works, because the stereotypes of DID/OSDD are SO BAD 😭🙏 and people always assume its something that its not

and unless you learn about why it exists, what its caused by, and how it forms, etc etc, then you start to grasp what the disorder actually is and not what its painted to be

i like being educated on things i dont have personally too because it helps me better understand others if i encounter someone with that experience. that way i dont go in blind and ignorant

[wind shell]

Thank you! Yeah, I think our host is okay with him just understanding the basics of it

I used an analogy like a type of craft thats breaking a plate (but like children are the broken plate to start), and then you glue the pieces together but dissociation doesn’t let you do that

[pulsar wren]

I explain the whole psychology of it before I even mention alters in full

Like, the psychology and then we ease them into the idea of the fact that we switch and have different names and pronouns as shit

[midnight drift]

I usually mention that it used to be called multiple personality disorder and then go on to explain why it was changed. Use this with caution because MPD is heavily stigmatized but with good friends who I know try their best to listen & understand it usually helps to have a starting point that they already know

[pulsar wren]

I find the thing that scares people is the idea that one of our alters might be a secret axe murder and the psychology of it does help them a little bit with the idea that that is wrong

( you know, the fact the alters are here because trauma and not for a horror skit )

[wind shell]

i don't really use multiple personality disorder much, but I find it helps for a lot of the older doctors who don't get day to day training and have day to day knowledge on DID or OSDD. We've had doctors before actually talk to us and go, you're saying we a lot, and then we go oh, sorry, it's blah, blah, blah, and they're like, huh? Then we go oh, multiple personality disorder, and they're like, oh okay. It's usually the really nice sweet wanting to understand doctors in their 50s and over that don't really have a lot of knowledge of it that we incounter a name issue with but say I've still heard about it in the other form. A lot of them, which is really cool of them, have wrote down the new name for it and said, you know what, I'm gonna tell my doctor place about this and see if anybody didn't know that it changed because we're not these types of doctors, but we still deal with people who have it. It was real nice of them all

[pulsar wren]

All of the doctor’s we’ve seen either don’t believe us or think we’re insane and drop us as soon as possible ( or both )

We’ve still not found a new therapist actually. The last one was rubbish so we’re trying to vet them better

[wind shell]

We do worry that one day if when or if we have to cha get therapists that we won't get treat like that

[wind shell]

The gifs of my sorce just exposed me lol. It shows me and another system mates source and says fictive on it. How does it know 😳

[wind shell]

Why does everything have to be confusing- people always change personalities so much once it’s been a bit after they’ve formed

[stable sapphire]

Real

And also with like identity stuff like gender and pronouns, like Alexei was first Cadet, she/they and a 17 year old. Then Rouge, 16-17 idk what happened there, they/she. Then Robin, 17, he/they. Then now Alexei, 18, he/they

[hybrid skiff]

I mean I fear people just do that in general, people change and identities change. Plus in some cases it could mean they are healing

[wind shell]

Yeah definitely, it’s just that it’s very big personality changes in the process of them getting a solid identity

Like our most recent alter started with a very similar personality to mine, but then he became quite impulsive, short tempered and generally jaded (I’m gonna ask him later if he minds me saying this, cause I’m pretty sure it’s fine but idk)

[pulsar wren]

Yea, i get that

[wind shell]

This happens quite often to us especially when it involves trauma holders. They start with a very similar personality and change as time goes on and as they develop

Hm, yeah
It’s making me think that he may have split from me specifically, might have to look into that actually

[stable sapphire]

I know I was just saying one of our alters had a drastic identity change when usually our alters don't do that. They're the only one that has done that

[midnight drift]

Oh absolutely! Like I said I'm careful who I use this with and I explain what the disorder actually is afterwards - but you're so right, some people will immediately think of stereotypes.

[pulsar wren]

The people who know stereotypes already are the hardest to work with, they misunderstand so much and they have to unlearn all that

[wind shell]

That or hes avoiding front because of dysphoria, and this is someone new, cause we don’t typically have changes this drastic
or he was specifically triggered by something at the time
…shits complicated

Nova/Noah - he/they ||BIRDS ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Like our most recent alter started with a very similar personality to mine, but then he became quite…

[hybrid skiff]

Mhm

[wind shell]

just told one of our closest friends about the system- i’m really hoping it goes well- and she doesn’t out us to a bunch of people-

Good luck!

we’ve said before but really briefly and i don’t know if she remembers it or understood what we meant. i explained basic symptoms and alters and stuff.

all this to just explain what pk is and that might have not been the question she was asking. 😭 /lh

thank you. /gen

Dante/Mattheo || He/They 🪽🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Good luck!

🙂

it’s gonna take her a while to respond because it’s literally an essay.

her: Hey so… question
You: wall of text

that’s normally how it goes honestly.

oh someone changed my pfp back.

this essay was edited extensively as well, so it’s shorter than it would’ve been. and it’s in sections with the longest one being “do not tell anybody because we aren’t ready for that”.

Yeah - which is completely fair!

i’m slightly nervous she’s going to have to leave and not reply until later… i also don’t know when she’ll return… oh well.

It’ll be fine

think she’s still reading, sent a couple extra messages.

they were small, i’m not diabolical and giving her another essay to read. /sil

Hehe

she’s typing…

or she was and she’s stopped.

welp. /lh

She’ll be typing and thinking. Give her a little bit of time

she might also be needing to leave the house around now, i’m not sure.

Yeah

ok she remembers the first time we thought about alters (years ago now) that’s a bonus i guess?

Memory? What’s that? /silly

But yeah, good sign - she payed attention last time you brought it up

alright, we’ll be back after we reply to her for a little update if needed.

thanks for talking to us it’s been helpful. /gen

No problem

I’m always happy to talk, whether it’s for distraction or help/advice

[ember vessel]

she seems fine with it. we’ll see how she reacts after she’s finished with her day, and when we see her in person though. but so far, ok. ☀️

[wind shell]

pk, why.

That’s good

it gave no reason for not proxying. 👍

veronica {she/her} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) pk, why.

Stupid pk

[wind shell]

we’re ordering swimsuits and mum said “they’re all really different, is that to fit your personality on the day?” and we had to do a double take. 😭

honestly she says things similar to that quite a lot.

[wind shell]

Haha

[hybrid skiff]

THATS CRAZZZZYY lmfaoo

[wind shell]

we never see people talking about how alters within the same system argue i don’t think and we’ve just had 2 real arguments and 1 playful argument in the past hour and like i know we don’t have to get along and it’s fine for alters to argue but it just feels really different from the narrative that a lot of systems we see online have where they’re all one big happy family/group and everyone gets on really well (there’s nothing wrong with that either)

i don’t really know what the point of saying this was it’s just that we never see conversations about arguments within systems or genuine dislike of other alters for no real reason other than you just don’t like each other and i wanted to comment on it

[limpid siren]

\ We definitley have arguments, we talk about the more playful ones like Ally calling me a valley girl which I find lowkey hillarious. There are definitley serious ones though and I wish they would get talked about more!

[wind shell]

it feels like ignoring them is glamourising/romanticising the disorder i guess but that might just be me

[limpid siren]

Oh totally, I personally dont ignore them I just dont talk about them in public settings!

[wind shell]

yeah 100% we mainly just talk abt funny arguments but there are some more serious ones that we don't really share often and I feel it needs more representation.

i think it’s a weird balance of trying to give it representation but not overshare and put yourself in danger maybe..

we’ve just had another playful argument and another a more real one

oh and just comfort

dylan {they/them} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i think it’s a weird balance of trying to give it representation but not overshare and put yourself …

[pulsar wren]

We just don’t like sharing when we have disagreements

Cause, like, I’m not gonna share thing about arguments because arguments in our sys usually get personal as hell

[hollow orchid]

I agree, and we just kinda are way too dissociated because we’re still living through the trauma, so half of the time we know who’s fronting, but the other half we have no clue. Sometimes I can’t really tell if we’re having an argument or not.

[wind shell]

she doesn’t mean to share what the arguments are about, she means stating that arguments happen. a majority of systems we see talking about their system online treat it like a close group of friends or a family, and maybe that’s just the spaces we’re in, but it feels almost exclusionary to just the idea that systems can argue. i understand not being comfortable saying about the contents of arguments, we wouldn’t either, or perhaps it’s that it never comes up in conversation.

i’m very tired, it’s been a long day, its 3:21am and we haven’t slept yet so i apologise if this doesn’t make much sense. i am agreeing with you that you shouldn’t share what you’re not comfortable sharing.

ArsonCrows [🌑🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Cause, like, I’m not gonna share thing about arguments because arguments in our sys usually get pers…

there’s nothing wrong with being very close to your system either, that’s perfectly fine.

[pulsar wren]

Makes sense, I think it’s a matter of performance a little bit

[wind shell]

there’s quite a few separate groups of alters that are friends in our system. there’s also a lot of alters who heavily dislike each other. and there’s some who don’t know each other at all.

[pulsar wren]

Syscord and the influence of Endo/non-traumagenic systems who do get to sort of ‘skip’ a lot of the worse bits of being a system and make it seem more like a fun way to interact with characters you like or have friends in your head so a lot of people feel the need to perform a more lighthearted version of systemhood in most servers

We’re in a more private server and arguments and not liking your sysmates and your sysmates doing bad things that you don’t like is discussed a lot more there because the environment doesn’t encourage the performance of systemhood being fun

[wind shell]

we don’t feel that at all, interesting.

in our case it’s more a need to keep certain things private.

which is occasionally a source of arguments.

[pulsar wren]

I think you also have to be in pro-Endo or endo-neutral servers to see the full scope of how they influence our perception of systemhood ( we’re in some for the purpose of other things like AAC cause there aren’t other options ( we’re making our own AAC server tho so we don’t have to be in those types of servers ) )

[pulsar wren]

That too. Things can be multifactoral really

[wind shell]

i mean that we don’t feel a need to put on a performance. i understand the point of view and think it makes sense for a lot of other systems.

nova {she/they} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) we don’t feel that at all, interesting.

[pulsar wren]

One theory doesn’t diminish another as no singular theory can encompass everyone’s experiences on a matter

[wind shell]

we’re in a few neutral ones i believe. we don’t seek out system servers in general.

ArsonCrows [🌑🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I think you also have to be in pro-Endo or endo-neutral servers to see the full scope of how they in…

or read about endo things, normally either confuses or upsets us. /lh

[pulsar wren]

Makes sense

[hollow orchid]

Endo things upsets us too

[coral flint]

For us, we only really discuss those types of things with close friends cause any mentions of it tends to feel like a very personal thing

[pulsar wren]

Makes sense

[wind shell]

Anybody else noticing their system, they have a universal issue. Everybody has, but no one knows why for us. No matter who it's fronting or how many are fronting? We all spill coffee every morning constantly. We just did it and said. Come on, every person in the system, does this why. So does anybody have a weird thing that everybody in the system does? We can't figure out why. This coffee spilling habit started with our host, and just for some reason, all of us do it now. I don't even know the reason behind it.We haven't figured that out

[hybrid skiff]

Lol, for us its lying. None of us can lie to save our lives

[maiden plover]

I mean, the easiest and most likely explanation is that all your parts are part of one brain and identity so habits will commonly transfer over. The brain doesn't forget EVERYTHING it learns between different parts, muscle memory commonly resides and things that are deeply wired into your brain so much so that you do it subconsciously like habits can definately transfer as a result

[wind shell]

i think my boyfriend is kind of getting it

also questioning our validity as a system

[midnight drift]

That can often happen when you tell people you're a system, especially people you're scared will judge/not understand

[midnight drift]

You'd be hard pressed to find a system that doesn't have something that 90%+ of the system does.

Short answer is because you are all part of the same brain and some things run deeper than the dissociation you experience

For us, one of the noticeable things is that almost all of us seem to experience the fact we have BPD, even if it's vastly different alter to alter. We all can have a slightly short temper and be prone to misinterpreting social interaction

[wind shell]

Ohh, okay! Thank you! -Liv and Circe (proxy doesn’t exist for Circe yet!)

Alex - @Ping me! [✨] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) That can often happen when you tell people you're a system, especially people you're scared will jud…

What- oh i have ap on 🤣

Anyways, 3 AM 😭

[hybrid skiff]

Mhm

[hybrid skiff]

I mean in that degree the whole entire system has to have it no matter what, I fear a disorder will not change throughout the system.

What can change is behaviors and such, aka the coffee example Mathis gave. However it can be universal, as the example.

Disorders are universal nonetheless, besides varying degrees but yeah

But actions, everyone is different and does things differently so I wouldn’t be hard pressed actually to find someone that everyones different thats kinda like the whole thing.

But yes it is all the same brain ofc but what im trying to say is I don’t think that was their question

[maiden plover]

Yes this, disorders aren't part to part. Even though you may not view yourself as one identity (Which is fine), you technically are and so you either meet the diagnostic criteria for a disorder or you don't regardless of which parts present more with symptoms than others.

[wind shell]

I think there’s some research that says unless it’s a chemical disorder it can be experienced differently and vary part to part - but I don’t know where the research is as it was told to me by someone else

[hybrid skiff]

Wha?

[wind shell]

Ok I'm confused with that

[stable sapphire]

Chemical?

[wind shell]

Things like depression, adhd, anxiety

[weak basin]

GG @paper crater, you just advanced to level 23!

[wind shell]

They’re caused by or linked to chemical imbalances

I think the general consensus me and my friends (who study psych) came to a while back was that physical/chemical disorders aren’t different between parts but psychological disorders can be, but one part cannot simply have a disorder that is not present in any other parts

[stable sapphire]

I think that was the conclusion already /nbr

[maiden plover]

I mean I think parts can present with different symptoms, even physically. There are studies that find parts who meet diagnostic for severe depression whilst other parts meet criteria for hypomania. But parts aren't seperate entities and so regardless of these met criteria, they won't receive a seperate diagnosis

[floral niche]

From my understanding/experience, the differences can be less as if there were a specific condition for a specific alter in a way, but rather as if the condition itself is something we have and just has been "split up" in ways that seem to designate specific areas of that condition to alters, which can make it seem like something entirely different, when in reality it's just kind of like the brain even fragments the condition itself

That was explained TERRIBLY, but I tried

[maiden plover]

Yeah that's what I sort of understand it as too, it can cause different parts to present with different severities of symptoms and also different symptoms entirely that still relate to a disorder

[coral flint]

Was wondering what people think about using real photos of people for proxies?

[mellow mortar]

\ Like pics from Pinterest for face claims?

[floral niche]

Indifferent to the idea, but it depends on what this means
E.g taking a picture off of pinterest or something, I personally think it depends but with permission I'd be indifferent

[coral flint]

Yeah like using photos from social media or smth

[mellow mortar]

Oh I do that

[coral flint]

Yeah same I think

[maiden plover]

I think it depends. If you're using photos of people clearly intended to be perceived by others like models for example, imo it's fine. If you're using photos of people that have posted something on a personal social media and you haven't asked permission, I think that's an invasion of privacy since you're, in a way, using part of their identity

Personally I know I wouldn't want my face on some random plural kit of someone I don't know, so I think others should hold the same respect for others in that way

[midnight drift]

Sorry I may have been unclear - I was using personal experience as an example off the top of my head

Yes, the whole system has the disorder, you're very correct. I was moreso saying that each alter tends to experience symptoms differently (for me personally) but it tends to run deeper than just dissociation. I was using a disorder as an example of something the whole system has, though that might have been a bit of a mistake & confused my point

(apologies if I'm still a little unclear in phrasing, I've had a rough few weeks and can't quite think straight/info/nav)

I know exactly the point I'm trying to make but I seem to be doing a very shit job of conveying that in English, which is sadly, my only language :')

[hybrid skiff]

Yee, I getchu. Alters can experience varying degress of it

[wind shell]

we like it better than using AI images, but it’s a bit uncomfortable. we have a similar problem with using images of introject sources, because it’s what’s most comfortable but we’re uncomfy using the picture (both because it’s without permission and it sorta shoves it in people’s faces “hi i’m an introject of this character” and people are weird). we don’t judge other people for doing it though.

Raven sys (||BIRDS) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Was wondering what people think about using real photos of people for proxies?

[coral flint]

Fair enough!

[pulsar wren]

I think if they’re a celeb, it’s uncomfy but grey, people uses celeb pictures for pfps all the time unfortunately. If they’re just a random person on the internet that someone found on pinterest or something; absolutely not. Stealing people’s pictures for your faceclaim is a bit rude imo

( by celeb, I mean actual celeb, I do not mean some random YouTuber )

[paper crater]

\What would be a good alternative though? /genq

Picrews don’t always have the right vibes, I’d assume drawings fall under the same criteria because it’s likely no credit will be given, but some peope can’t draw their own pfps

[pulsar wren]

Idk, we either draw ours or use a picrew or both with the picrew as temp

In times when we do use artwork as temp or as perm, we use f2u artwork and give credit in the alter description and/or when the pfp is complemented or when someone asks

We also try to use official art if they’re an introject but that’s not always available nor applicable

Then again, I’m not the arbiter of what people can and can’t use as their faceclaims, this is just my personal rules regarding them

[maiden plover]

if I'm being honest, it might be harsh but if you can't find the perfect profile picture without using the faces of other people without consent, you just have to deal with it.

You aren't entitled to use peoples likeness because it makes a part more comfortable. (This isn't directed towards you, sorry I realise I used the personal pronouns you a lot, this is just a general statement to people in general)

Plural kit is an accessibility tool but it isn't the be all end all of parts. Parts will survive without a profile picture that uses a persons likeness and if they struggle with that, it probably isn't healthy for them to be using plural kit in the first place if they weight so much of their identity on a discord profile picture

Sorry I just realise you have the no pings role, I apologise for the ping I didn't realise before hand

[paper crater]

\parts will survive, yes, but if they want to proxy they’d either have to use the default bot symbol or something they’re not 100% comfy with. The default bot symbol feels dehumanising, but I know they can cope with avatars they don’t feel 100% comfortably with. I was just asking if there were alternatives for those who can’t draw. No need to be so rude.

[maiden plover]

I wasn't being rude. I clarified that I wasn't targeting you. I was making a statement about the importance of consent.

[wind shell]

Your statement does come off quite strong /info /nm /nbr

we’ve started using “aesthetic” pictures from pinterest instead of picrews. for some alters anyways. we’ve used our own pictures of clouds and stuff for some proxies but always for group proxies (like anon, blurred, blended) and never for individuals. it’s because picrews don’t work well enough for some and we don’t wanna use other people’s faces. if you can find something that matches a colour, style, vibe or something an alter has then it’s been helpful. we half aim to take our own pictures in the future but we haven’t done that yet so…

(note: the proxy above is outdated)

this one

Remy [ they/mirror/mimic ] 🌑🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Your statement does come off quite strong /info /nm /nbr

That makes sense to me

blurred {ask prns} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) we’ve started using “aesthetic” pictures from pinterest instead of picrews. for some alters anyways.…

[maiden plover]

Yes, I rarely use proxies if ever but some parts of mine do have profile pictures and they tend to also prefer "vibes" over specific faces. Things that feel like they represent them or things that feels similar to how they feel or things they like

[wind shell]

my proxy changes quite frequently personally, I don't usually stick to a single pfp

[maiden plover]

Oh, that wasn't my intention, I was stating an opinion. I don't see how my words came off as rude since I clarified my intention in brackets before so it must have been my tone which I am bad at detecting, apologies.

[wind shell]

nor name really

Wren [ they/mirror/mimic ] 🌑🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) my proxy changes quite frequently personally, I don't usually stick to a single pfp

I never said rude, I simply said you came off ratherly strongly. Which could've been why you were interpreted as rude. I didn't see the message as rude myself nor was it directed at me so while I accept your apology as genuine, it is not mine to accept

MattMatee (He/Xim) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Oh, that wasn't my intention, I was stating an opinion. I don't see how my words came off as rude si…

[maiden plover]

Well the message wasn't really direct at anyone as I clarified twice. I guess we can move on anyway since I don't think it was very important either way.

[digital abyss]

we draw ours so idk really how to help srry gang

[hybrid skiff]

I mean personally the host uses the bodys image because he identifies with the bodys image the most and takes the bodys name aswell. Other than that its drawn or taken from media.

[digital abyss]

we often find art and check if the creator is okay w their art for pfps and crediting them in our pk if we dont

i recommend that

for example:

pk;m bess pfp

[faint solstice]

Bess's avatar

To clear, use pk;member Bess avatar clear.

[digital abyss]

pk;m bess desc -pt

[faint solstice]

-# “I curse the day I bought that phonograph for you my dear,”

Bess　𝄈　🏷️
-# she / her — fem
-# ♀ — 20 y/o　𝄈　<⚰️3
caretaker　𝄈　oti　𝄈　ac

ask to front — Sure!
pda / flirting — Don't expect it back if you do.
tonetags — No thanks.
source talk — Sure.

-# “—’cause there are times I swear that it’s alive-!”

Showing description for member Bess (TOWNVK)

[digital abyss]

the ac has a link

ac - art credit

[digital abyss]

our headspave is really good today whst the hell

we even drew it out

[weak basin]

GG @digital abyss, you just advanced to level 34!

[digital abyss]

arcade machine we got

[stable sapphire]

We should draw ours. It's a bit bigger though and by a bit I mean a lot

[wind shell]

we have wavering anphantasia so it makes it hard

[pulsar wren]

Ours is really big so I don’t think we’d be able to draw the whole thing?

It’s 6 layers not including our sidesystem’s

( we’ve not figured how that functions fully yet )

[midnight drift]

So I won't go into detail because this isn't intended as a vent but I suppose something that I had always wondered how that worked/felt happened to me last night and it's pretty interesting ig??

I had a mental health episode and believed I was going to lose my best friend (who is also a system) and that I would lose every alter within that system, not just the host
((Everything is fine tho don't worry, just a delusion episode, we Gucci now!))

My system previously worked almost entirely internally so never really had individual relationships with others until the last two years or so when we actually started working on acceptance & bettering our mental health

I guess I always wondered how it would feel to lose someone that each alter has their own individual relationship with?
Spoiler, not fun, but it was pretty interesting?? I know every system would react differently but I'm a psychology nerd so it's kinda cool to me

Once again all's good now & he even fed the cats for me so I didn't have to get up because that's normally my job <3

Note: not entirely sure why I shared, pretty exhausted but I'm always a fan of sharing experiences to spark interesting conversation

Feel free to share your own experiences in response, this isn't a vent!
(Ofc keep in mind trigger warnings when posting)

[hybrid skiff]

Honestly I don’t know, its a huge sensitive therapy topic that we’ev been trying to go thru and everything. Esp about final fusion or atleast close to that ig? But some folks are scared to lose their identity, their partner, etc. obviously trauma still prolly but honestly I have no clue how we’d feel. I guess we’d know when the time comes ig?

Some are fearful but I mean personally me (host) I know that we are all just parts of each other and we really wouldn’t be losing each other

[midnight drift]

Totally valid! What I had meant was losing that person socially - i.e. the entire system no longer speaking to us

We do still have various feelings about fusion but you're right, not quite so scary as they're not 100% gone

[hybrid skiff]

Ohh

[coral flint]

Us as Australians have someone with a British accent and someone with an American one 😭

Granted neither are accurate but they are there

[maiden plover]

This happened to me once. I was bullied for it. It was awful

I'm also Australian

[coral flint]

Yeah thats unfortunate, we luckily can hide it and just get some light teasing from our friends when one of us accidentally said pajamas the American way

[hollow orchid]

hiis so im a little an im not allowed to talks here but no one with me in front an the host needs school works done but i can’t do thats -

[weak basin]

GG @hollow orchid, you just advanced to level 20!

[hollow orchid]

i think da host has a boyfrien an he ask if i read bible recently but um i don know if it safe to tell him it me but he dont know a lots about sys an wahh

do i just say dat “i don feel like myself” or “i feels like a child” 😭😭

[wind shell]

It might not be the best idea to be talking on here buddy /lh

[hollow orchid]

im sorries

[wind shell]

No it's okay! It's just discord isn't really a safe place for littles, that's all.

But only tell him if you really trust him and feel safe doing so.

Chronic Tea Drinker {📜} ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i think da host has a boyfrien an he ask if i read bible recently but um i don know if it safe to te…

[wind shell]

Hi, I sincerely apologize about Lily communicating in here and we've told her about how it's not safe for her to be on discord! Thank you for your understanding! /lh

[wind shell]

Nah your alright, just please stay safe! /gen

[plain pumice]

Any advice for not feeling like a person? /nfta

[hybrid skiff]

Like a nonhuman alter?

[plain pumice]

No more like feeling like a symptom of the disorder and not feeling like an individual.
Sorry I didn’t explain what I was asking very well, have a hard time taking about this stuff.

[hybrid skiff]

Gotcha

[maiden plover]

If I'm being honest, I have no idea how to ground that type of dissociation. Some tips I've gotten is to dunk my face into ice water and keep it there for as long as possible and do it multiple times until I feel grounded. 54321 sensory grounding obviously, writing it down can help, try identifying patterns of what causes you to dissociate especially not feeling like a person if you'd like to be more on top of it so you can then avoid those things that triggers it or begin to work to fix those triggers with your therapist

[hybrid skiff]

okay please don't do the first one oh my god thats so dangerous???

for so many reasons 😭

[wind shell]

No yeah I agree the first one sounds super dangerous

[wind shell]

I agree with that. -Raven

[coral flint]

Yeah the as long as possible part probably isn’t good

[wind shell]

Oh, my proxy didn't work...

[coral flint]

Yeah 😭

[maiden plover]

That's what I've been told to do by my therapist

[paper crater]

Ice on pulse points or splashing face with cold water is fine. Just not dunking your face

[maiden plover]

I was specifically told to put my face in ice water until I need to breath and then come up to breath and repeat until I felt more grounded but that's dangerous so just touch something cold like ice or if it's raining then touch metal outside or something

(Sorry I didn't realise you had a no ping role. I replaced the message with a pingless one in case the yellow is the issue)

[maiden plover]

can you please explain why? I don't really understand why.

[maiden plover]

By as long as possible, I wasn't intending to mean "Stay under water until you pass out or physically have to breath" I meant until you need to breath and then come back up but that seems to be misinterpreted, I'm sorry for not being clearer

[paper crater]

Ok

[stable sapphire]

I actually don't think it's that dangerous. Definitely don't hold it until it like hurts but holding for a few seconds is totally okay and helps a lot to ground

[pulsar wren]

The intially given wording is dangerous

That wording makes it sound like you’re essentially saying to simulate near-death for the purposes of grounding

Not Fun fact: dunking a person’s head in water and pulling it out when they can almost not breathe anymore is very much a torture method

I get that’s not what Matt meant with the clarification but I see why everyone responded with “hey, that’s dangerous” without the extended context

Anyways, yea, on to what I came on here to say: I’m redoing my sys doc in Obsidian and honestly, 10/10, do recommend

I’m not a shill for Obsidian but I’m gonna sound like a shill for Obsidian for the rest of this ramble but a big issue I had with existing note taking apps for the purpose of sys docs was interface and most note taking apps don’t quite have the capabilities needed for a complicated sys doc so I was kind of just cycling between methods with none of them quite feeling correct.
Obsidian works for me in the sense of 2 key features: links and folders. The folders are good for organising, I feel why folders are useful is very much self-explanatory but linking is the cooler feature. It means I can do a little thing where when referring to something like a part of the iw, I can link to that note about that part of the IW and it makes access really nice

It also makes it have cool personal site vibes, which is cool
[ you have be really careful with themes and plug-ins though ]

[hybrid skiff]

Wtf😭

[hybrid skiff]

That is litreally the same thing but okay “physically have to breath” and “until you need to breath” is litreally the same thing

Just splash your face with water

[digital abyss]

Nah we were taught to dunk our face in ice water it isnt like a hold it thing its jst a put your face underwater and and pull it out at your own speed yknow, the idea isnt to just splash but to shock your body and pull you into the present. We did it for panic attacks but don't anymore because of personal reasons.

[maiden plover]

I do think the concept of dunking your face in water is actually valuable. Probably not holding it there as I was taught but putting you face in water can trigger the mammalian dive reflex which forces the parasympathetic nervous system to kick in and calm you down.

[maiden plover]

Oh I love obsidian! It's so useful! I've never heard of people mapping out their system with it but that's a great idea!

[wind shell]

I should probably check that out!

[pulsar wren]

Very, I’m having a lot of fun with it tbh

You do have to figure out markdown though and I am not a man who’s figured out markdown despite the fact discord uses some markdown

So, like, keep a sheet or tab somewhere for what markdown is and also don’t do themes or plug-ins

[wind shell]

Nods !!

MattMatee (He/Xim) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I do think the concept of dunking your face in water is actually valuable. Probably not holding it t…

It helps us a LOT

[hybrid skiff]

oh okay 😭 i just got highly concerned

i tohught yall were talking about obision the rock and im like yeah thats a good rock for spirutal stuff

lol

[pulsar wren]

Obsidian is good for spiritual stuff?

[hybrid skiff]

The stone

Like stones + crystals

Like energy

Spiritual stuff that I believe tis all

[wind shell]

I guess helped* past tense

MENDAX　𝄈　he / they — ?¿ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) It helps us a LOT

[stable sapphire]

We don't

We just do when we remember or just don't. We don't bother trying to log front that much anymore and tbh I'm mostly here so doesn't even matter cause we just assume it's me and we share memories a lot so we can usually remember most of it

[pulsar wren]

You don't

We log when we remember and when we can but otherwise logging is an illusion

[wind shell]

made it part of our routine, especially w memory loss we all force ourselves to

Westfield the Gambler ; ☀🕊 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How in the world do people keep track of front
I get simplyplural and all that but how do you even r…

[maiden plover]

Lol

[pulsar wren]

That’s nearly 2 months???

[wind shell]

some ppl dont switch much

i have a moot whos been front stuck for two years 💔

we switch a lot

like a lotta lot

[paper crater]

We don’t switch an awful lot. But we also don’t get frontstuck people either

[midnight drift]

We don't switch often and when we do it's usually very quick and we don't even notice it's happened. A few minutes here or there and both alters involved don't always notice that they aren't whoever the other is

I (host) can typically comfortably front for weeks at a time and have no switches (that I'm aware of). A lot of systems function internally to keep the system hidden and functional through whatever trauma they were experiencing

I tend to find social media puts such a heavy focus on systems always knowing who's fronting which just isn't realistic

Especially newly discovered/systems who haven't had any dissociation specific intervention. It's actually really normal to not notice switches, co-con, not know who you are ect. It's all part of the package deal

Ofc if you usually do know that doesn't make you invalid; but not knowing is not any less valid and it's certainly not you doing anything wrong

[pulsar wren]

Ours currently

[rose oxide]

our fronting and memory stuff is weird, so ive just given up on trying to switch out, and just let whatever happen 😭

[pulsar wren]

True and also fair. We’re the type who goes back and forth between “why am I the only one here???” for a week and literally not being able to keep front for more than a few hours

There’s no in between usually

[midnight drift]

I experience both of those pretty regularly! You're not alone

I tend to find with how my system works specifically, there's almost always someone co-con really low level but I'm rarely particularly aware of it. Might be how you function too?

Also, remember the host isn't "just the host"! They have an important role to play too. Everyone within a system is important and the host is there to get the daily stuff done - for you that might involve less switches.
Note: even if the host doesn't cope particularly well with daily stuff, that doesn't mean they aren't doing a very important job by doing it

[rose oxide]

i wanted to explain part of our weird fronting and memory stuff, but i feel like nobody really wants to hear that, so ill just keep lurking

[midnight drift]

I feel like everyone here has at least a slightly wonky memory, right?/lh

I feel like maybe you're seeking validation - if you'd like to share to get it off your chest and get some reassurance that's totally valid

[pulsar wren]

It’s very much not that for us actually, in terms of how hosts function. We have 2 hosts technically and both of us are absolute messes and don’t take care of shit. We do planning but we have an alter who does school and alter who does social stuff and an alter who does the cooking and alters who do our bADLs like showering and the such so we don’t do anything besides the planning so us being front stuck is always a plight against productivity. I don’t know why we’re hosts

[rose oxide]

yeah kind of

[pulsar wren]

We’re hosts because we’re here way too much

[pulsar wren]

Wonky memory is literally part of the entire primary of this disorder so yea

[midnight drift]

Ah I understand. Still completely valid!

No alter is more important than any other, no matter how small their role of if they don't even have an identifyable role. If you took any alter away, there would always be something missing

You're all parts of one brain and all unique and valid. Try to be kind to yourself and your system!

(Sorry if this comes across as aggressive positivity, I just woke up. Usually a bit better at fixing phrasing haha)

[rose oxide]

yeah, i usually just see people tlak ab out memory gaps though, and have never hear about someone experiencing some of the weird stuff we do. but the internet is weird like that so 🤷

[pulsar wren]

No worries about the positivity, it’s very true

[pulsar wren]

We have so much with memory beyond memory gaps. We’ve talked about it before on here but we’ll have situations where we forget our family’s faces or we forget our own name and information or we are standing at the stove and trying to cook and we forget to turn the stove on and we just stand there confused

[midnight drift]

I avoid online system spaces. Unfortunately most are filled with misinformation and breed toxic culture. Even with this chat I'm wary

I do have an Instagram account that I can't verify every single post but I've felt far more valid and they share opinions and loved experiences of systems along with their educational posts. Would you like me to find their @?/nf

[rose oxide]

thats so real

[rose oxide]

we also avoid online spaces m ost of the time, if its just a space like this we're happy to talk with people, but actual system-specific servers and other online spaces can be really iffy for us lol. and no thank you, im fine ^^

[midnight drift]

Completely! I'm vague with phrasing because irrc there's a type of OSDD with very little memory issues and there are also a lost of systems who don't notice their memory gaps or have pretty good communication

I try my best to not exclude anyone's experience when I make blanket statements like that. Though not always very easy not to XD

[midnight drift]

Valid! I hope you find what you're looking for

If you'd like, I experience very little memory gaps but my memory is effected in other ways. When I'm a bit more awake I might share a bit of how it works for me personally

I might anyway as it may help someone who, like me, felt invalid. Just lmk if you'd like to be tagged/nf

Brb I need to go feed the cats & wake olls up/neu

[pulsar wren]

Even with OSDD, there’s usually some level of amnesia from what we know, like the ones I mentioned above that aren’t memory gaps necessarily or just, like, feeling disconnected from memories ( emotional amnesia )

[midnight drift]

I think you're probably right, like I said very tired so not quite thinking straight/lh

[rose oxide]

but yeah, im pretty sure i have a subsys and we kind of share memories and a stream of consciousness whenever co-fronting or switching, so we get easily confused or it sometimes triggers imposter syndrome for us. and our memories often get jumbled up or out of order, even if the things had just happened. and we always have some level of dissociation & amnesia daily, even if its the same person fronting the entire time. we just kinda accepted that though

[wind shell]

Our subsystem is pretty similar!

[rose oxide]

weow

[maiden plover]

no not actually, it just that I don't update it ever cause I forget or I can't tell

but I know some poeple who haven't switched for years

[coral flint]

Prolly our longest

[digital abyss]

good gawd

were finally getting around to organizing our sp

it helps a lot w our memory loss

[midnight drift]

Reminded me to do ours, ty/sil

[digital abyss]

giggles yw

its my crippling disabilitu so ill make the profiles as aesthetically pleasing as i want tyvm

mine so far

gonna do the custom fields later

[midnight drift]

Yea I really wanna make them super aesthetic but I've been extremely switchy/co-con recently so thinking about the details of everyone else really ain't a great idea

I super wanna make it aesthetic af tho

[rose oxide]

the only thing we have on sp is some really nice folders, because we forget to add alters and do the switching and stuff all the time, and we dont really switch enough for it to matter lol

[midnight drift]

I don't track switches or anything else - just want to make some profiles for close irl friends to give them a little bit of info on who's about

[hollow orchid]

We switch pretty often (We're still in the trauma)

[digital abyss]

yeah same

[midnight drift]

After a whole bunch of shenanigans I got this to work :D
(Sends you to the alter playlist when you click on the song name)

[digital abyss]

thats actually so cool wait

[hybrid skiff]

Nicee

[wind shell]

Ooo I love that song

[hybrid skiff]

Yee same

[midnight drift]

I'm only sharing my SP with close trusted friends so I'm putting a positive trigger song at the top of everyone's profile so if they're needed it's easy to get their attention :)

Here's the top of mine! Not comfortable sharing more info than this but I wanted to share the star themed template because I made it myself & it's fun (collective name The Star System)

(I do have more point under personality than just that lol/lh/sil)

[wind shell]

Oh that's so cool!

[azure egret]

it's so neat to see different system's tracking methods and personalization of diff apps/programs to make things like this

[midnight drift]

I'm currently going through my DID assessment and realised it's quite difficult to answer questions when you don't actually remember the answers. I also have irl friends that knew me before I realised I was a system

This helps me keep track of us internally and helps friends to have a little bit of a prompt as to who they're talking to as they've only ever seen us masking

(hence why I've got things like "personality" in mine, even though that should be a little obvious)

[digital abyss]

nuhuh bros just friendly nothing else /j /sil

[midnight drift]

Pff frfr

I mean the actual reason is like 1/3+ of the system is actually somewhat antisocial. Funnily enough, nobody on discord knows that because antisocial people generally don't like chat-based social media.
Absolutely wild concept./s/lh

[hollow orchid]

We had a new alter front who didn’t know we were a system and so what do we do? Do we tell her?

[stable sapphire]

If you think it's safe to do thay without hurting then then sure but if not kinda wait it out and make your decision based on how it might affect them

[hybrid skiff]

I tell new alters that they are system in the calmest way possible but if they don’t believe it I dont push it

[hollow orchid]

Alright, thank you! She was just about to make us delete the "We have alters role" and get rid of the pluralkit (which would have sucked)

[azure egret]

so... we think we have a new alter that's an imaginary friend??? Everything felt looked just was strange, but Lily was also there and even asked them if they would be her imaginary friend which confused them further but she grounded them a bit.. I just don't know wtf it was. At first we thought they were something left from a really bad time in our life and is "time stuck" there but bc the feeling that they more or less are (if that makes sense) has happened before, but then that happened with Lily so now we're just like ????? idk if it's both or if either one is possible? no idea, if any system has had a similar experience or has ideas of what the heck that is bc it's just,,,, strange

[hybrid skiff]

Honestly the “imaginary friend” that we had as a kid turned out to be an alter

Im not sure what the question is cause im confued but uh

Yeah

Or like your brain took the imaginary friend and made it into a part

Shrugs

[wind shell]

Same. Several.

V!rus |Ttgs + Pings yes| [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Honestly the “imaginary friend” that we had as a kid turned out to be an alter

[azure egret]

idrk what we're asking either, sorry lol

[hollow orchid]

Us too haha

[rose oxide]

i am the ultimate weezer

[digital abyss]

ooweeoo you look just like buddy holly

[stable sapphire]

This is kinda weird and hopefully it doesn't sound like a vent but like our/my therapist kinda said something yesterday that kinda sounded like he's saying all these alters are made up which we wouldn't be angry with because if we dont have this disorder thats a good thing but I'm pretty sure they're very real and still here and um is it supposed to feel like they're taking over? Like I think they're angry or something and no idea what's happening and like alters that were I guess protectors have changed into more like persecutors? Has anyone else had that happen like idk what to do and idk how much longer I'll be able to stay in front

[hybrid skiff]

Im not sure what the question is cause its kinda blended together could you write the question separately?

[stable sapphire]

Yea sorry- do alters ever kinda like change roles but instead of like changing because of healing like going from persecutor to something else they go from something else to persecutor?

I have no idea what happened and I dont even remember typing that. I think yesterday just triggered a lot of denial or something but its okay if no one knows. We're waiting to talk to our therapist again soon about everything

[stable sapphire]

Dk if I was supposed to ping

[hybrid skiff]

It says pings are okay

[hybrid skiff]

I mean yeah thats normal, healing and then unhealing can trigger that

[stable sapphire]

Okay, thank you!

[hollow orchid]

Time for my weekly crisis of “am I a system or am I just faking it :’)

[paper crater]

Whoo, my gatekeeper induced that into me to get me to stop thinking about trauma lol

[wind shell]

Actually got a good reaction from letting someone new know were a system

[hybrid skiff]

Went to a furry con that has a DID planel and they said any origin is valid and I got up and left😭 “there people who debate that you only have to be from traumagenic origin” I left😭

2 others left too

[coral flint]

Man :/

That sucks so bad wth

[digital abyss]

can we un normalize endos 💔

[pulsar wren]

Can we unnormalize people who claim you don’t need to have trauma to have a trauma disorder?
( I don’t care if some endos will be like “but we don’t claim to have a disorder” all plurality is inherently a disorder. All plurality is inherently DID/OSDD-1. There are no other forms of plurality and you cannot make up other forms or co-opt religious practices ( tupla ) and turn them into plurality ( because actual tupla is not modern/western tupla ) to make your points )

( I bring up tupla because I’ve seen people get called xenophobic/racist for hating modern/western tuplamancy even though it has shifted so far from the original practice that it is not even a spiritual practice anymore and also the origin of modern/western tupla is a book written by a white women )

[stable sapphire]

Sameee- because of someone saying we made it up but ykw? We got this!!!

[rose oxide]

tulpamancy is also a closed practice, iirc. so the modern/westernized version people use for endo stuff is technically cultural appropriation (cmiiw). and the modern version is basically just forcing delusions onto yourself, if im remembering what it is correctly?

[digital abyss]

it is !! its totally just complete cultural appropriation

[pulsar wren]

Exactly!

Modern/Western Tulpamancy is basically just being Willogenic with extra steps imo and those extra steps are so you can call people racist if they disagree with you

Note: if I spell tulpamacy ‘tuplamancy’ it’s because I cannot for the life of me think the word tulpa, idk, my brain doesn’t like it

The Tibetan practice is basically nothing like modern tuplamancy to the point where no one can tell where the heck this idea even came from prior to the book I was talking about

Btw the book is ‘Magic and Mystery in Tibet by Alexandra David-Néel’

To give you a reading on how outlandish David-Néel is: she claimed that her Tulpa manifested and turned evil and she had to destroy it or something like that. Everyone who’s tried to summarise just goes “I put the book down because that part was so outlandish”

She also claimed that other people could see the tulpas

[maiden plover]

I don't think it's normalized if I'm being honest, I think it's just a very loud minority

[pulsar wren]

Fair, I was mostly just echoing Endenary

[digital abyss]

You're probably correct, however any pro-endo/endos/endo supporters always start drama and hatred that we don't engage.

[maiden plover]

Yeah it's very annoying. I argued with this pro-endo once and they literally said "I've had this argument 100 times, I'm too lazy to do it again, here's a document proving endos are real" and linked a long document with like 15 sources. Quite literally just doing the Gish Gallop falacy. I looked through many of them. Half of them weren't even on endos and the others were discredited or unsupported

[tight flax]

Should j tell a person i know pretty well and am pretty close with abt the system, he'd be chill with it, and honestly I'm fairly open abt it normally but for some reason w e haven't told him before, maybe it's due to feeling a big disconnect from the system recently, it's like our brain is trying to re-hide it for some reason

[rose oxide]

"willowgenic" was made up as a cover-up name for westernized tulpamacy because endos wanted to claim they could use it without the backlash. iirc. at least thats what we thouht when that all started

[pulsar wren]

There are so many things that are basically cover-ups for other things in the endo community

[rose oxide]

yeah

we kept getting manipulated & confused into believing different things about endos (by endos and supporters). so we're just trying to stay away from all of that drama stuff now /nav

[wind shell]

Owe god any origin sounds like they support Endogenic systems. That is not right

V!rus |Ttgs + Pings yes| [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Went to a furry con that has a DID planel and they said any origin is valid and I got up and left😭 …

[hybrid skiff]

Mhm

[wind shell]

our ex host crashed out so hard they made us think we dont have DID until i fronted 💀

[coral flint]

Depends what you’ve heard him say about systems before

[midnight drift]

Joined an art server and asked staff if they would be willing to add pk as an accessibility tool. They said because it's an art server they had to remove it because too many people used it to roleplay OCs. Really disappointing that people being disrespectful has removed an accessibility tool :/

[pulsar wren]

I hate when that happens

I also hate when sometimes you’re the only system in a server so there’s absolutely zero way for you to convince the staff of shit

[midnight drift]

They did actually hear me out but the owner popped in and said that they used to have it but it was an issue so it was removed. It's an absolutely massive server and I'm not the only system but unfortunately there's just too many people who used it for shits n giggles :/

[pulsar wren]

I know. I’m just saying that’s something that happened with me

[midnight drift]

Yea it sucks. Didn't mean to talk over you - was doing the autistic thing of sharing similar experiences to relate/lh

[pulsar wren]

I was also doing that, sorry

Either way, it sucks when people forgo accessibility for dumb reasons, right?

[wind shell]

Last time I joined a server people said pk caused problems and we find art servers very toxic. People always criticize even when you do stuff right and unless you as good as their standards then they always tell you you can't give advice so we gave up going to.tbose places because were always looked down apon

Alex - @Ping me! [✨] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Joined an art server and asked staff if they would be willing to add pk as an accessibility tool. Th…

[digital abyss]

we found some cool art servers, where you have to compliment the art before posting yours

[hybrid skiff]

Ooo thats cool!

You should share’em with me nf

Ive been trying to find more art servers

To promote and also just share n talk about my art and other art and tips n stuff

[wind shell]

Man I can feel Astrid in observing mode. We haven't heard from her in months and were worries. She is finally starting to come out of being dormant. I wonder what's the story behind why she went dorment is that she might tell us. Since we know she is very quiet like Sve aka Sweden and rarely talks

[rose oxide]

guys we passed the written drivers test <3

im so proud of us

[rose oxide]

i just learned about this today

[digital abyss]

We did that and it does help but it still effects us depending on the day !

we also have role colors next to name

[rose oxide]

ye

[hollow orchid]

We’re currently attempting to clean our room, but since we’re still living in the trauma and we have a bunch of traumatic things in our room, we keep switching and we’re super blurry right now and we honestly don’t know what to do or how /nav

Like how do we clean a room when we’re so depressed because we’re blurry

[wind shell]

We feel this hard. Try a little at a time. Don't push yourself if you really can't and see if some of the stuff isn't as bad as others. We are trying so hsrd to do that but its hard. We belive in you. You will get through this one day

We are in the stage of we look stuff and it makes us cry but we have managed to get it in a bin which is a accomplishment. Remember little accomplishments can do wonders twords healing even if its small your doing great

[hollow orchid]

Thank you ❤️ /p

[wind shell]

You are so welcome

[hollow orchid]

Honestly these past few days have just been like "and I even doubted we're a sys?"

[ember vessel]

\ currently we’re just like “where am i?” then figure it out but it doesn’t look right, then 5 minutes later again “where am i?” lol /lh /nav

there’s no distress with it really which is weird but i guess that’s good?

[hollow orchid]

How does one find a collective name? We want to find a better one because ours is literally the host’s name -Thalyn
Also we wish that people would call us by our names but irl no one knows we’re a sys and we want to keep it that way /nav

[pulsar wren]

parliament

[hybrid skiff]

Honestly we kinda just picked a vibe we liked and went from their

At first we went by Rose as in rose system cause that was our system name before

Buttttt it was too fem for all of the mass of men in our sys (only 4 women….) sooo we wanted a change

Sooo we love computers n spooky themes nnnnnn we came up witth Virus

It was gonna be another name collective but everyone hated it LMAO said it sounded were so I was like finnnneee
So Corrupted Mainframe, and Virus as a name

[hollow orchid]

Swag!

[rose oxide]

we've been through so many system & collective names 😭

its not even funny

currently hypernova though

[paper crater]

Gonna ask in a third server because no one is answering properly…

Anyone have any tips on system stabilisation and just generally functioning better?

[wind shell]

Try seeing if you guys can get down to good communication and work on trying to work as a team. For us we practice with tasks we all can do together like working on solving problems for example

[paper crater]

Ok

[wind shell]

Hi

[wind shell]

for the systems who use picrew - do you have a favourite? sorta like a go-to i guess.

i want to update mine and was curious what ones other people use normally.

[midnight drift]

Some personal favourites, tags are on screen

The one with the pink background is a spidervese one I believe

Why do I not have my one- hold on lemme find

https://picrew.me/en/image_maker/2384161

This one is my current profile picture

Tho I find it a little limiting

[wind shell]

yeah some of our favourites are quite limited. :/ /lh

[hybrid skiff]

I mean you could always just make it yourself then

[wind shell]

we’re aware. /lh

V!rus |Ttgs + Pings yes| [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I mean you could always just make it yourself then

it isn’t as simple as “just making it yourself” though. picrew works better for us even if it isn’t perfect. /lh /nbr

[pulsar wren]

Drawing is very hard

[wind shell]

we’ve drawn some in the past but only for privacy and because there was absolutely no options for picrews for one alter. within maybe 2 months we switched the profile pictures because we didn’t like them anymore. picrew is faster and doesn’t waste our time if the alter doesn’t end up liking the picture. even if we spend an hour searching and creating picrews and its not perfect it’s still time better spent, in my opinion, rather than spending 3 or 4 hours on a drawing just for them to not like it or the drawing to be incorrect to how they look anyways. /nbr

[ember vessel]

if the picrews don’t work then we use pinterest and if that doesn’t work then we try drawing. then inevitably go back to picrew unless there are genuinely no options at all.

[wind shell]

love pk randomly breaking-

[pulsar wren]

A ton of ours are drawn and mood cause now we have to redo some of the drawn ones

[wind shell]

if drawing works for anyone else then that’s great, i’m envious almost. but it doesn’t work for us as much as we’d like it to. /nbr /lh

good luck! /gen

ArsonCrows [🌑🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) A ton of ours are drawn and mood cause now we have to redo some of the drawn ones

we either end up not liking the art style or the art is just simply wrong after a while.

[pulsar wren]

I’ll share them either here or in #🎨art once I’m done

[wind shell]

oo alright!

[pulsar wren]

The art style thing is why I take art style requests

I can do so many art styles so I just ask and usually I can get a decent response

Doesn’t work if you can’t do that many

[pulsar wren]

Adam ( alter ) wanted his in the abd style so I was gonna show that off but little mishap so I’m gonna show that off in a few hours, it was really cool so I’m hoping it’ll look as cool the second time

Somehow I’m really good at abd’s style, which I didn’t think I was gonna be

[digital abyss]

i think what he meant is if you dont like how its limited you could always draw your own

[hybrid skiff]

Drawin aint that hard, just takes practice

Everyone does it differently

[hybrid skiff]

Nice!

[paper crater]

And more time and patience than some people have available /nbr

[digital abyss]

blinks

idk if thats what he meant but

ye

on a different note i dislike that the only way ppl see my content is if its disability specific

like i did a minor vid abt DID and now everyone is here chat i do art can i pls art

like i dont want to seem like im "profiting" over my disabilities

[hybrid skiff]

Oh jeez :( yeah it sucks

Like dude im a person not a circus

[pulsar wren]

Sorry if I’m interrupting but I finally finished it
( it’s in #🎨art )

[plain pumice]

We struggle to not have a clear image of what other people internally look like or how they feel they look, having ‘options’ to sort of discover can be really useful!!

[digital abyss]

banger take

[hybrid skiff]

oh yeah ofc, like thats totally valid. I mean yes we used picrew at first and then once we understood how we looked internally then we drew ^^

[digital abyss]

however i still giggle at comments like "i have this one symptom i have DID then !!!" guys im an art student. i dont even know whats going on in my brain let alone yours 😭

[hybrid skiff]

YEAH

[digital abyss]

or even like tourettes

[pulsar wren]

We also do that

[digital abyss]

bitches be asking me like i know their whole life story

im giggling

[pulsar wren]

I hate when people do that

[digital abyss]

its like nonstop </3

[pulsar wren]

Like, how am I supposed to know?

[hybrid skiff]

Its crazy like bro I aint your therapist im just a guy

Multiple unfortunately

[midnight drift]

Aye same here! Really struggle to know what anyone looks like and/or have introjects of real people so when we're not comfortable using photos of them it's helpful to get a "kinda close enough" vibe

[hybrid skiff]

Lmfaooo

[hybrid skiff]

Yee yee!

[wind shell]

that’s how we understood it i think. /nbr /lh

@s off｜TOOTHVOiD — ?¿ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i think what he meant is if you dont like how its limited you could always draw your own

[plain pumice]

It can feel invalidating to not have a clear image of what someone looks like especially cause alot of social media pushes this idea that you always know what you look like /nav

[hybrid skiff]

Oh yeah ofc

[midnight drift]

Yea I stay away from online system spaces because they can breed some toxic ideology. The idea you always need to know who you are and what you look like ect ect is just so unrealistic

[hybrid skiff]

Yeah its like man idek who I am right NOW lmfao

[digital abyss]

im giggling bro like

[midnight drift]

It's why I haven't had an SP until recently and even then that's for medical purposes

[digital abyss]

the singular disorder tiktok i post

mind you

[digital abyss]

pls dont use tontags on me, esp multiple, its more confusing and i dont like it :<

[digital abyss]

and then others were like "bro u gotta research" and then bro was like "im sorry im gonna cry" bro this is a tiktokt comment sectiom 🥀

anywho im spicy

can we un normalize diagnosing from a video ty

[hybrid skiff]

Fr

[digital abyss]

also this was rhe video

it literally had like no info on it im

[paper crater]

Ermmmm what lol

Research is no.1 thing to do

[digital abyss]

ong </3

its like always

[plain pumice]

Hehe spider verse /pos

[midnight drift]

Eeeee! Still need to watch

[pulsar wren]

Did they think it based on vibes???

I honestly feel like that might be the problem???

I always find that when people first figure what DID is they think they have it and then they figure more about it and that idea fades because the number 1 confusion with it is alters vs things normal humans do

[digital abyss]

no literally, i had a description but it was a self indulgent post

most comments were systems relaring, some were genuine good questions and then thr few "do i have this"

thats not whay i mewnt by ask quesrions 😭🙏

[pulsar wren]

fair

I wish educating people on DID was easier

I think your reaction to this is very nice. I’ve seen 2 reactions to this type of question, one is more common in anti-endo spaces and one is more common in pro but sometimes they can just be in random places

The first is “I can’t diagnose you, you should see a professional/do proper research/etc” the second is basically just — I don’t know how to say it because it abhors me to type — people just basically just going ‘if you think you have alters, you have alters, screw the DID criteria’. I hate the second

( This is not me dogging on pro-endo spaces ( even if I’m anti and think 99% of what they peddle is nonsense ) and saying anti-endo spaces are the beacon of good information because they also spread misinfo, including blatant stuff, just not as often )

[digital abyss]

mhm

[hybrid skiff]

The internet is full of misinformation

[stable sapphire]

Not exactly replying to the message above but more relating. Our therapist medically recognised us and seemed to believe us as well as our psychiatrist and it felt like we were getting somewhere but he started saying stuff that sounds like he's suggesting we/I made it all up but I'd say just keep trying if you really think it's a possibility. We're gonna try to have a genuine conversation with him the next time we see him and see where it goes from there

[reef bane]

We made a discord server foe DID and OSDD and supporting singlet, feel free to dm me for the link: )

[digital abyss]

u can throw it in #promotions

[reef bane]

Ph ok!

[digital abyss]

nods

[wind shell]

I feel really stressed right now because I am front but my nephew Sealand is fighting me for front and when I talk he js trying to finish my sentences which is making our accents kinda mix together and its giving me a identity crises and everything is setting me off do to it. He knows I am at front but I can't get him to stop so we both can calm down and its making me cry 😢

[wind shell]

Non humans - any advice on bodily discomfort? I have animalistic legs and I can't get comfortable enough to sleep in this body

[wind shell]

Well there goes a part od a safe area for people with DID a group I am in for DID is getting rid of chats where people can help each other feel better. If were not isolated enough as it is people

[coral flint]

Not sure for trying to sleep, but if your legs are shaped similar to canine legs, walking on your toes with your knees slightly bent can help dysphoria (if you’re able to support yourself walking like that)

[hybrid skiff]

Weighted blanket help you sleep and maybe sleeping curled up would help? Ik it helps some of our nonhumans/animalike/animal alters

[midnight drift]

Adding this because we got some advice elsewhere and it might be helpful for others:

Zero has digigrade legs and can find just existing in front without a task physically uncomfortable.

We've had the suggestion of toeless socks and were going to get compression socks for our nerve issues. Hoping the pressure in different places will help - will update whenever we find out if it's helpful

[rose oxide]

-# just gonna forward this here in hopes someone will answer 😭

[coral flint]

You could go to #✨good-vibes ??

I’m confused what the question is actually

[rose oxide]

not a question

just a little info dump

[coral flint]

Ohh ok

[rose oxide]

we're proud that we were able to push ourself to doing the written test and start practicing

[coral flint]

Yeah that’s great!

[rose oxide]

were kinda hoping someone else here would like classic cars like me and we could yap about it 😭

[maiden plover]

That doesn't seem to be the case

[rose oxide]

does anyone here whos watched kpop demon hunters also relate to "what it sounds like"? idk i watched it the other day and the song kind of sounds system-coded, kind of like trying and coming to terms with things to us and we relate to it.

its such a silly song

[paper crater]

“I broke into a million pieces and I can’t go back but now I’m seeing all the beauty in the broken glass. The scars are part of me. Darkness and harmony.”

Yeah, that bit especially

[rose oxide]

yeah

i love that song so muchhhh

[pulsar wren]

YES

Literally so much

[rose oxide]

im so glad others understand and relate

[pulsar wren]

Why is it so system-coded???

[rose oxide]

i dont know

but its such a good song

i like the part that goes "so we were cowards, so we were liars, so we're not heroes, we're still survivors! the dreamers, the fighters! no lying, im tired"

[paper crater]

We hyperfixated hard over it

[rose oxide]

yeah, we're hyperfixating on it. and we were just refusing to watch/listen to it a few days ago cause of all the hype and because our sisters were annoying us about it 😭

we cannot let them know

[paper crater]

I was more irked from the way it looked initially

Like it looked like it was for 8 year olds

But then was decent

[rose oxide]

we just dont like kpop, and we were kinda iffy about the story. but watched it and now we like some of the huntrix songs

[pulsar wren]

I literally wasn’t put off my Kpop demon hunters at all, I just kinda went “What’s this movie on my feed? Oh, cool, I’m gonna watch it”

Then it was really good

[paper crater]

Yeah

[pulsar wren]

What It Sounds Like has the same vibes as Six from Six the musical imo

[wind shell]

(not actually in front but this is how much we hyperfixated on it..)

[paper crater]

:)

[paper crater]

Not seen Six yet

[pulsar wren]

You should

[rose oxide]

our older sister was like obsessing over it, so it put us off. especially cause she was basically insinuating that we'd get as obsessed as she is about kpop because of it

[paper crater]

Yeah - I follow Hannah Lowther (if that’s the correct person) I just haven’t had chance to see it

[rose oxide]

we dont like/listen to kpop a ton, just the huntrix songs 😭

[pulsar wren]

The song Six is the last and has nothing to do with the plot or history, it’s literally fix-it fic in song form

And I love it

It also system-coded in my opinion, idk why

[pulsar wren]

Anyone else have terms they use to refer to alters internally that you put a lot of thought into but you feel like you sound a bit insane when you explain them?

Like, we refer to hosts internally as ‘cardinals’ as a sort of double entendre between the religious role of a cardinal and the cardinals being passerine birds because both of those are really big themes in our systems ( passerine birds and religion ) so calling our hosts that is a fun little pun on our whole vibe as a system

But I don’t think anyone else cares much

[midnight drift]

We don't think about it quite as hard but I love that for you. Might be my tism showing but I love a good double meaning word

[pulsar wren]

We think about it too hard

[midnight drift]

We do have internal names to refer to groups who frequently show up together but we have up using any of them because we almost always group front

Also everyone has slightly different phrasings

[pulsar wren]

Like all our protector type alter roles are internally named after things that are used in battle for protection or roles in battle that would be considered noble like shields, armour, knight rankings

[midnight drift]

That's a cool way to think about it

[pulsar wren]

All our persecutor type roles are named after weapons and our persecutors have very little objections because apparently it sounds cool enough

[pulsar wren]

Exactly!!!

[midnight drift]

Won't reveal group names for personal reasons but the only relevant groups who have names

1. the main group of protectors who flood front under any threat.
   Useful for close friends to know who is about and why

2. the group of introjects from the same place.
   Helps you know they are likely to have very similar values and behaviour

3. a group defined by their inner world location .
   Helps you know their general role and where to find them if needed

Any other group is mostly unhelpful as we sit at about 50+ so there's a lot of different combinations

[midnight drift]

Tbh I can think of a few from my own system that would not be opposed haha

[pulsar wren]

If you make something sound cool enough anyone will agree to use it

Though we do sometimes go overboard with the cool factor and make something sound ominous when it very much isn’t ( ex. The role we named ‘abstractions’, idk how easy for anyone to tell what this means )

( it is not actually that edgy of a role, it very simple actually )

[digital abyss]

We call our worst of the worst persecutors/prosecutors "The Cartel" 😭

[pulsar wren]

Badass as fuck

[midnight drift]

Glad you found something that works for you

[pulsar wren]

Not to diminish your persecutors or the cartel, just that that sounds cool

[digital abyss]

It works LMAO it's more of an inside joke

[midnight drift]

(sincerely not an insult to anyone with a different experience)

I/we personally choose the route of kindness or neutral. We already have enough separation and lack of identity and for us it would be harmful to use words like that

Can't say I don't wish I could tho, sounds fun./lh

[digital abyss]

its a joke group

its not serious

but we do refer to them as the cartel if multiple are fronting at once

[pulsar wren]

We kinda require that degree of separation and going “you suck, man” because our persecutors genuinely do suck as beings. There is no way around it

[digital abyss]

we have a custom front for it LOL
(spoiled for drug joke!)

our persecutors/prosecutors are genuinely terrible. some need to be treated on a dni, for safety of everyone. we, as we got diagnosed, were told our system is 85% persecutors

[midnight drift]

We only have two persecutors (myself and a personal persecutor for me) so I fear this is not a joke/experience I get to participate in/sil

[digital abyss]

we have so many 😔

[pulsar wren]

Some of our persecutors would get mobbed if we let them act freely

[midnight drift]

That's generally how a lot of persecutors (ofc not all) feel/act

[pulsar wren]

We use persecutors to mean alters who are conditioned to be horrid, alters who hold that kind of conditioning. Which I think puts our talk of ‘persecutors’ in a more understandable light to clarify that

[midnight drift]

I feel like persecutors are not talked about enough as a part of a lot of people's DID/ect experience

I've had a lot of people indirectly say that you can't be a host and a persecutor

I just kinda sit there like umm 😐

(Side note, persecutor hosts are actually extremely common)

[digital abyss]

Mhm, all of ours do. Some target the weakest in our system to belittle them, including kids, some are physical, some neglect taking care of basic needs and indulge in medias, etc.

[pulsar wren]

There is probably a term for that on it’s own but I’ve never heard it and I feel people would just dumb that down to ‘evil’

[digital abyss]

All of our hosts have been or turn out to be persecutors, im labeled as a protector rn

[digital abyss]

thats why we made the cartel 😭

[midnight drift]

I'm both. I hold a lot of roles as we don't switch frequently but I'm both a protector and a persecutor

Which people also fake claim

[pulsar wren]

We’ve never really had the misguided protector type of persecutor actually now that I think about it

[digital abyss]

nods

and that's totally valid

[midnight drift]

My personal experience heavily contradicts what social media DID stuff says can and can't be which is why I'm so against most of it

[digital abyss]

whereas we are consisted of mostly trauma holders and misguided protectors

[pulsar wren]

We have a protector who’s also an anger holder and idk if that would fall into that category cause they’re not actually hurting anything, they’re just pissed 24/7

[digital abyss]

So. many. trauma holders.

host included

[midnight drift]

A lot of anger holders are protectors actually

Our main anger holder is also our main physical protector

[digital abyss]

tbf when ur actively living in trauma it wont help LOL

not a vent! just recently informed

by therapisr

[midnight drift]

Tw description of extreme anger

||Our main physical protector started as an anger holder once I split due to my anger being too extreme for me to handle. He holds my desire to kill those who have abused us and others - you can see how this is helpful in a protective role||

Anger holder/protector combos are pretty common and totally valid

[pulsar wren]

The way ours handles that combo is really funny to me

They’re a walking contradiction

[midnight drift]

I feel ya on that one

My brain loves to yoink introjects from the same place but never in the same point in their life/story

Causes a lot of arguments

Brain: "ah there has been trauma and we need a new alter to help cope as we are not coping with this. Here [new alter]"

Us: "ah actually this isn't helpful you've just made us more confused and stressed and now there's lots of arguments between alters instead of fixing the problem"

Brain:

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pulsar wren]

Ours has outlandish ideas that turn out to be really helpful

Like, we split Tommyinnit as a ||tic|| holder and a fucking Zorua-human hybrid as a medical thing, maybe, I forget what specifically. And both are really helpful somehow

( when I say Zorua-human hybrid I mean this man is somehow sourced from both N and his Zorua and is thus some weird hybrid that makes no sense )

[midnight drift]

I mean sometimes it's helpful but typically for us it's not. We also split veryyyy slowly so we tend to have this increased sense of constant dissociation for a few months before
✨ta daaa✨ (some random guy)

[pulsar wren]

We’re in that rn

[midnight drift]

Twins ✨

[digital abyss]

Literally 😭

"Gosh I'm so stressed"
"Hey you know that media you've been into recently"
"Yeah what about it?"
"He's here."
"What?"
"pk;m new"
"WHAT?"

[wind shell]

I as an alter have had my anger taken away from me in a split and it’s so weird cause now it’s my job to be around those ppl and tolerant of them and it feels so wrong

We also have an alter who is very uncomfortable around angry people and cannot experience anger starself

[pulsar wren]

I want to talk about this but I didn’t know where else to put it but I don’t understand pro-endo arguments. “Anti-endos don’t believe in anything except systems being completely miserable” “anti-endos say they support trans people but then they make a whole call out post cause that trans person is pro-endo” they genuinely seem to see us as exclusionists???

No. We just don’t like the co-opting of trauma caused conditions by a community who will never understand our actual experiences

[hybrid skiff]

fr

[weak basin]

GG @pulsar wren, you just advanced to level 32!

[wind shell]

The universe is intent on forcing me to front and i have used that oppertunity to make us eat

[weak basin]

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[wind shell]

i dont know what these means neither do i care

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This is confusing

[hybrid skiff]

Don’t reply to the bot cause it’ll respond back ^^

[pulsar wren]

I need to write that down for the rest of the sys actually

cause I just realised they don't know that

[heady hornet]

"Soo... you know that really problematic character from that one piece of media? Yeah, he's here.." :((

[wind shell]

it's okay to have alters from problematic sources or that actually make some harm to the system! eventually they will be able to help without hurting and learning good ways to cope!!

[coral flint]

Accidentally did this and thought it was funny

[pulsar wren]

Lmao

Hex code?

[coral flint]

Changed it already 💔

[pulsar wren]

eh, i'll just find it myself

[wind shell]

Does anyone have any tips for system communication? Our subsys really struggles to reach out to the main sys and I lowkey miss them 🥲

[digital abyss]

If you use SP the chat option is super helpful

[pulsar wren]

SP chat option is peak

[digital abyss]

real

even making a private server and using pk is recommended

[pulsar wren]

We use it for official™ archival team business & also council stuff mainly

[paper crater]

Also TwiNote is pretty cool - provides a way to dm just between a couple alters etc.

[pulsar wren]

We tried using it but it was another thing to add profiles too and it got too much so now we just use pk and sp for everything

And also our whiteboard

Cause you don’t need to add profiles to the whiteboard

You just write and sometimes sign but sometimes don’t

[paper crater]

We don’t have the liberty of using anything we can’t lock 😅

But yeah twinote was a bit overwhelming at first fornus

[midnight drift]

I've used Antar as a chat app and it works pretty well

Equally we don't often use written information to communicate so things get messy

Between notes app, Antar, texting my own number, private discord, and system journal - things get lost 😅

[pulsar wren]

the whiteboard is technically locked in the sense all notes on it are written in a fantasy languge we invented

it's a scrapped version of the written language for one of the countries in our story new age, made before we completely re-did it

[pulsar wren]

True

Too much places gets so confusing, god forbid you switch phones

[midnight drift]

We didn't do it on purpose it just kinda ends up that way lmao

[pulsar wren]

Fair