DID/OSDD-1 System Chat

[wind shell]

oh wow

yeahhhh….

[limpid siren]

Do you want ideas for pk and sp descriptions? /genq

[wind shell]

we might just have to wait a little bit until it’s not as chaotic. i’m not sure how long that will be though. /lh

not what i was originally asking for but if you have any ideas i’d still be happy to see them. :) /gen

Embers (No @'s) ☆ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Do you want ideas for pk and sp descriptions? /genq

might disappear though- someone who doesn’t do online things is here heh. /lh

fair enough

[limpid siren]

Oh cool- misread that then lol /silly
Anyway these are what I have up: Age, Gender, Pronons, Roles, Verbal, Ask to front, Nicknames, DM, Venting

[wind shell]

see that’s the thing - we don’t know whether to add roles or not. everyone has their roles on sp (well, we’re working on that it’s taking a while-) but do we add it to pk as well-

(it’s not that serious and we know we don’t have to if we don’t want to. we just don’t know if we want to, for a lot of reasons. like how long it’s gonna take-)

off topic- i like how everyone used to assume this proxy was just ryn (because host) and i don’t think ryn’s used it in ages lol.

I feel that. Some of us are better at singing than others and apparently Maxx knows how to play the drums and then there's me with zero hand-eye coordination and couldn't play the drums to save my life

Cassian || He/It 🪽🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Good way for us to not fakeclaim ourselves though because of the obvious loss of ability

[digital abyss]

We have a blurry proxy as well :)

[digital abyss]

Same here. I know the most ASL in the system. Some of us are voice actors while others can't VA to save their life

[tight flax]

yea, most of us cant draw very well at all, then there are some who are pretty good at drawung poeple and stuff and some who are good at like drawing things

also playing music too- we can all do it to an extent but some are ALOT better then others

[wind shell]

Oh drawing is a whole other can of worms to open..

Fair enough

TOOTHVOiD — ?¿ ⋆ . [NO @s] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Same here. I know the most ASL in the system. Some of us are voice actors while others can't VA to s…

[digital abyss]

a bunch of us have different drawing styles

and v much different handwriting

[wind shell]

Same ^^

[wind shell]

You just gave me the idea to try this and see where I end up

Ace || He/They 🪽🧮 ↩️

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[pulsar wren]

All of our frequent fronters have the same art style thankfully but that’s because we trained consistency ( cause we’re a comic artist )

[wind shell]

What happened? /nfta

(Pls@) ratsss|| ratbags sys ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Im done im fuckingdone 📎

[tight flax]

OML

i didnr mean to send that

Oml

Oml

Wrong server wrong server

[wind shell]

Okay ^^

[coral flint]

Does anyone have any advice to try trigger other alters to front? We have an exam tomorrow and need someone like impartial to emotions

[limpid siren]

If we need another headmate up front and the negative trigger isnt theres than we'll use the positive triggers like music or specific topics to talk about or maybe memories. It doesnt always work but it's worth a shot :)

[wind shell]

we normally use music.

i’m trying to think of other things we use but i can’t think of anything-

[wet willow]

we don't have any fool proof ones but music does definitely help sometimes, although it depends on the day - Tango

[weak basin]

GG @pine marsh, you just advanced to level 3!

[wind shell]

Music is a really big one for us but sometimes just talking/mentioning certain alters will bring them out or close. Like Lurch in The Addams Family “You rang?” 😅

[digital abyss]

We started building a list of front triggers per alter

[wind shell]

Good idea actually

But we'd have to make sure they're not used in the wrong way

But still good idea

[digital abyss]

We have them in our sp

and our ps is tje only one who can access ut

it

[wind shell]

ooo, fair

[digital abyss]

or even jst making a private bucket

if u use sp

[wind shell]

Yea! we know how to we just would rather not share them with anyone

So we's probably put it somewhere else

we'd*

[digital abyss]

for certain

we keep all our sys shit in sp for the most part bc out amnesia is bad

[wind shell]

Yea we do too but haven't had motivation to organise it

Might do that today

we need to sort ours out but I know nothing about our system so I can’t really do anything

same ive finally got us up to do our sp

💌 . Jazmine ╱ they⸝⸝ 🌷 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Yea we do too but haven't had motivation to organise it

We just deleted the whole group and we're starting over lol

These

Just re made these

[wind shell]

W

jst finished my description im really happy w it

[wind shell]

Ooo nice! I finished all 292 profiles yesterday finally

Oh man and I thought 40 smthin was bad

kudos to you

Yeaaa- got some more crying to do /hj

it only took like 3 months..

[wind shell]

We’ve got 48 profiles. Half of em aren’t done

[unique jolt]

Sorry for being off topic, but I want to start using plural kit on here because it seems like something that would make us comfy. Can you connect your simply plural to the pluralkit here and have it auto update or do you have to do everything manually?

[weak basin]

GG @unique jolt, you just advanced to level 9!

[unique jolt]

wait, i think i've figured it out

[wind shell]

I was gonna say yes but seems like you gor your answer lol

Ash Bash (Pings are cool) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) wait, i think i've figured it out

[unique jolt]

xD'

[wind shell]

Let us know if you need any help at all! We're free all day

[unique jolt]

I'm still a bit confused. How do you get it working on discord once everything is synced

[wind shell]

Proxies!

I have latch on so when we use a proxy it auto proxies the last proxied alter

You could also use autoproxy to proxy without the proxies everytime

[unique jolt]

okay, so because I'm a noob, what kind of things will I have to type in the bot chat to get this up and running to it sets to the last part I set to front

[wind shell]

Let's go there!

[unique jolt]

thank you!

[wind shell]

Honestly we like this idea a d could use it because we normally don't know what triggers our host identity to show up they just show up when they show up is how we look at it at the moment, same with the 3 little girls

[coral flint]

Thanks for the advice guys, I’m just hoping it works

[wind shell]

femtanyl pfp ???

Raven sys (||BIRDS) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thanks for the advice guys, I’m just hoping it works

[coral flint]

Yes :33

[wind shell]

YIPPIE

[wind shell]

It's so hard to focus on an exam when there's constant chatter about nonsense in the background 😭

Good job we can’t hear each other 😅

[wind shell]

Usually we can't but I particularly have been working on trying to get better at communication, esp with Sally. But rn Sally and someone else are chatting really close to front (Sally is almost always either close to front or co-con when I am). Idk who the other is, they're harder to hear. I think it's Willow though. We've been super switchy today, I think bc the body is dealing with a sickness but omg so hard to focus lol 😅

[wind shell]

We have pretty good communication so yea it sucks sometimes especially because I struggle with reading and we have so many tests with reading

Levi {He/They}⚡🪐 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) It's so hard to focus on an exam when there's constant chatter about nonsense in the background 😭

[green lava]

femtanyl mentioned!!!!!

i tried to type this in all caps and got the warning again i need to stop yelling /silly

[wind shell]

music helped keep me in front for school today :)

[green lava]

music is like, the main front trigger we use if we need anyone specific to front

its the thing that helps the MOST (and the healthiest)

it doesnt always work

but it does often

[wind shell]

We told our teacher over email right before break that we're a system so we haven't seen her in person since we've told her and she was really supportive but we don't know if we should open up about when different alters are fronting or if it would be weird. Any advice??

Our teachers knew about our DID because some of the people at school who knew about our DID would love to try and trigger our younger parts before exams and so teachers would witness unmasked younger parts. I would say be wary but if she's supportive and it's a necessary thing to make known (as such because the part finds a task difficult, or they need some extra accommodation or support) then go for it! If it helps you is the main thing. I personally have witnessed a lot of purposeful triggering when making our system known so now we just stay covert unless around absolutely trusted friends.

TLDR: If it makes you comfortable, go for it! But just evaluate the risks as with everything

[wind shell]

That's fair! She actually told me she has a close friend with DID and we trust her as much if not more than our therapist, like we tell her any and everything and literally every kid that has her class loves her and she lowkey sits with us the whole class explaining every single question and making sure we get high marks on every test so we're not worried about her hurting us in any way. Just don't want it to be awkward especially because I'm not the one who told her and I'm host so I'll be there a lot and may have to explain I wasn't the one who sent the email

Joey | He/Him 📔 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Our teachers knew about our DID because some of the people at school who knew about our DID would lo…

[wind shell]

how like. do subsystems work

like logistically

i dunno how to explain it

actually nevermind it’s fine

[green lava]

uhmmmm

as far as im aware subsystems can work in different ways but i kinda describe it as a separate group of alters and fragments within the system that are more separated from the rest of the system and may or may not have higher amnesia walls that are more blocked off from the rest of the sys

if i explained that badly i apologize my brain is so foggy

[wind shell]

I have a subsystem and how other alters describe it is like they still see my body, the one from my face claim however they noticed slight changes in my personality. When I found out I had a subsystem it kind of changed from my pov. Now when someone in my subsystem fronts, it's still my body but someone else who goes by another name and identity. For me I can tell the difference between someone being close to me in my subsystem and someone being close in the main system based on their size. By size I mean main system alters are bigger and close while my subsystem alters are farther away and much harder to hear

isabella {she/any} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) how like. do subsystems work

I believe those are sidesystems while a subsystem is when an alter in a system has alters

» SOLAR !! — ☀ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) as far as im aware subsystems can work in different ways but i kinda describe it as a separate group…

[green lava]

from what ive gathered they can also be referred to as subsystems if the alters are in their own separate group and share close similarities based on what i researched but im still learning

i think certain experiences do differ a bit from sys to sys. ive never heard the term side system before tho! so thats new

[weak basin]

GG @green lava, you just advanced to level 4!

[green lava]

so far ive seen subsystem used in many ways tho

im honestly still learning abt it

[green lava]

this is another example i have heard before

i believe thats kind of how it is for one of ours but im still figuring it out myself 😭

[wind shell]

We've just always heard it as how we explained it and it just makes more sense to us based of what they're called like the side systems are to the side and isolated kinda from the main system but they're still apart of the main system while a subsystem is when an alter has alters

[green lava]

that makes sense !
i think we might have both then as i know the “alter who has alters” connects to us as well but also the sidesystem thing

i will definitely be researching more on this topic

we have a few groups we are trying to work out what they are and what their degree of separation is

i do think there are subsystems that are a group of distinct alters that are separate from eachother but isolated away from the main system with higher amnesia walls

its less being “on the side” and more so isolated and separated completely from the rest of the system

[wind shell]

That's what I said though? /nbr

» SOLAR !! — ☀ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i do think there are subsystems that are a group of distinct alters that are separate from eachother…

[green lava]

oh huh? sorry mb i misunderstood 😭 brain is super foggy rn

also what does /nbr mean? /genq

[wind shell]

"Not being rude"

[green lava]

ohhh okok ty !

[wind shell]

maybe a dumb question - what do i do?
i think i’m new. i’m probably new. i don’t really know what to do-

[wind shell]

figured it out

not me

but

they figured it out

[pulsar wren]

Y’all, best news: My favourite brother, Phoenix, came out of dormancy ( we love Phoenix in this household, he’s lovely, best man, 10/10 dude )

We needed the extra sanity tbh

He does baby the rest of us a bit — a lot, actually — but we still love him

[ember vessel]

\ that’s good that he’s back :)

[pulsar wren]

It’s the best

[wind shell]

how do alters with multiple names like.. advertise all their names?

i don’t know how to ask that question better.

i have three names, multiple nicknames, i want to be called all of them- but the proxy isn’t really that long?

[pulsar wren]

We usually put them in the proxy name

[wind shell]

not him fronting but example ( I think )

now we’re having a “do i even want to be called all of these names” moment.

(all of the names i’ll delete later if it’s uncomfortable)

the pfp is a whole other thing but

basically it’s just like. the names are so long you can’t see the pronouns at all and because of how weird discord is at showing the proxy “profile” so people can see the full name with the pronouns (which don’t matter currently but might because it’s been a busy day and nobody’s got a clue anymore) and the proxy tag it’s just like. annoying i dunno

mariam/phoenix/jewel {any prns} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) (all of the names i’ll delete later if it’s uncomfortable)

it’s not a big deal

but

ah ||fuck|| i’ve gotta delete the giant paragraph explaining if it’s uncomfy too

meh

[digital abyss]

We typically just throw the most used name and then the others in the bio and pronouns.cc

for example ::

pk;m mendax -pub

[faint solstice]

🧨 MENDAX﹗HE/THEY (TOOTHVOiD ?¿)

Birthdate

Apr 22

Pronouns

he / they

Color

#ff0006

Description

-# “Well listen to this, he shot and he missed, and so Juno got what he deserved,”

Mendax / Red﹕🧨
-# he / they — masc / andro
-# — 19 y/o﹕<🎮3
manager﹕oti

ask to front — sure
pda / flirting — jokingly, im taken
dms / pings — ask
source talk — ask

-# “Imprisonment was all that he earned, so let's stop on in and see if he learned a goddamn thing !”

System ID: wwgkw | Member ID: snbgp

[wind shell]

test

[digital abyss]

Kinda looks like that

[wind shell]

ok so now we need to figure out what the most used name is- /lh

thanks though /gen

this stuff has so many unnecessary steps 😭 /lh

[pulsar wren]

Did it dupe our message?

Like, way too after it sent

Ignore discord being glitchy y’all

[carmine dune]

joined a lovely DID support group tonight

[wind shell]

I'm so happy for you. Did it go well?

[wind shell]

I hate never knowing when or what happened or forgetting literally everything. Like, I wish I didn't misplace things all the time or have to stick sticky notes all over the place in order to remind myself or someone else of everything important.

Our ADHD does not help with that at all either lol 😭

[wind shell]

if i didn’t have a calendar i wouldn’t know when anything is.

i think the only reason why i don’t lose things more often is everything has a place and we all know where things go-

[digital abyss]

same w our planner and hournal

journal

[wind shell]

i wish i had the patience for a planner or journal or something but i don’t- and when i do i forget it exists and then i lose all motivation- so calendar. but i don’t really do a lot so-

[digital abyss]

the thing with ours is

its so chaotic

not organized in the slightest

the planner is

the journal is barely holdin on that thing has been through hell 😭😭😭

although w the blackout amnesia we have we find stuff in there all the time thats conpletely random and its so funny

our general life planner is more organized

vs this shit...

[green lava]

its so fun owning a journal when you have no memory and finding shit you didnt write and being like WOW what is THAT

i mean its not always fun
but sometimes i find funny things

[digital abyss]

thats what im saying

same with notes app

good god is the notes app cursed

AHAH

[green lava]

i keep.

doing it.

im a yeller

help

[digital abyss]

its ok me too pookie

[green lava]

the NOTES app.

[wind shell]

||HAHAHAHAHAHA.|| :)

all caps.

[green lava]

heck

[wind shell]

so.

[green lava]

yeah i have um

the strangest things in my notes app

[digital abyss]

mod abuse !1!1!1! /j

[green lava]

we use that the most

[wind shell]

||BOW BEFORE MY POWERRRRR.|| i never yell this is the only time i yell.

[green lava]

LOL

[digital abyss]

what in the csmp /ij

[green lava]

mee6 is yelling at me in dms

[digital abyss]

some of us react to it its so funny

[green lava]

what the csmp ⁉️

[green lava]

lmaooo

[wind shell]

this isn’t even a mod thing. i’m just ✨trusted✨ for some reason- i mean i’m trusted to be a mod as well- but-

TOOTHVOiD — ?¿ ⋆ . [NO @s] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) mod abuse !1!1!1! /j

[digital abyss]

im laughinng so hard over habit's ":(" and chaos's "FUCK U"

[green lava]

lmaodhahdh!!!

[wind shell]

there’s a note that just said the word bush.

[digital abyss]

BAHAH

[digital abyss]

ong bro

[green lava]

another day another
who am i?
what the flip?

#blurry

[wind shell]

oh and now that note also has a full diary in it ok-

ryn {ask prns} [MOD] 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) there’s a note that just said the word bush.

[digital abyss]

im lost

what does this mean

[wind shell]

nvm i think its me maybe possibly

[green lava]

ah yes

[digital abyss]

¡!

• Air Vent Deflector

[green lava]

air vent deflector

pk.

[digital abyss]

L

proxy L

[wind shell]

🫶

that’s glorious. /sil

TOOTHVOiD — ?¿ ⋆ . [NO @s] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) im lost 📎

proxy fail

this is in my notes for a lore smp i run and its not at all supposed to be in theew

BABAH

and i LOST IT when i found it

kept it in there for funnies

hard boiled egg sandwhich !1!1!

theres a note with what seems to be someone’s phone number. 😭

and that’s it.

what is this.

that i havw just found

[pulsar wren]

It’s a doodle

It’s sad :(

[wind shell]

rip

we very commonly use our notes app for things we need to do or get at stores

so theres lists upon lists in there

that’s so fancy why- is it so fancy-

and we keep it open always so any alter who fronts sees it automatically

otherwise!!! we forget everything!!!!

esp appointments GAWD we write that down in many places

and calendar

i need to sort my notes out because i’ve got some that are basically the same thing-

and stuff from school-

5

[pulsar wren]

5

[wind shell]

i will never need this again and i haven’t needed it for nearly 2 years why is it here-

wow. i used this so well-

i love how theres random unlabeled numbers in our notes app like great thanks guys /sys i have absolutely no clue who that number is for

pencil case

theres one thats just "pain dogs" and an email

?????2?2??3?2?

LMAO

🗡 Gail ⟣ they/them — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

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what the shit is this

effort was put into that woah-

🗡 Gail ⟣ they/them — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) what the shit is this 📎

hello what js going on

shopping list

vaccination records

maybe markers

who had a stroke hello

» RAGE / RIOT !! 💢 × they/he/it [ ☀ ] ↩️

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curtain

magician

» RAGE / RIOT !! 💢 × they/he/it [ ☀ ] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) ?????2?2??3?2? 📎

chat who is mel

[pulsar wren]

They need the salt so they can use it against the lizard cause lizards don’t like salt. They need to do a ritual against the lizard

[wind shell]

LMAO

🗡 Gail ⟣ they/them — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) curtain
magician 📎

no clue

🗡 Gail ⟣ they/them — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) who had a stroke hello 📎

772,000

[weak basin]

GG @green lava, you just advanced to level 5!

[wind shell]

mc coords???

ctrl + F

HAHA

ctrl + F

inevitable adultification

HELP

notes app is insanw

we have like 3000 notes

of just

random shit

and i dont recall writing 80% of them

15 max
fill to 13

LOL

shrimp singapore noodles

HELP

shrimp singapore noodles

btw the link goes to nothingg

we lost who made a joke fake alters list

LOL

bro is not emo btw

these are gold

im laughing so hard

give me a numver ill ahow it

oh my god this is numver one

1920s era and aura

😭😭

[wind shell]

HAHA

[wind shell]

We never use our notes app. It's lowkey just there for decoration but anyway we might get another notebook separate from our therapy book to kinda just communicate or something even though we have good communication already

[wind shell]

We absolutely suck at keeping track of/staying on top of physical journals and stuff. Bc of that our notes app is an absolute mess. Like...most of the time I cannot for the life of me figure out what people were talking about or referencing. Then there will be a whole note thing for a single random sentence and I'm just here like 😐 🧍‍♀️

[hybrid skiff]

same

[wind shell]

YEAH SAME
we dont use journals or planners much because uhhhh we fkn forget they exist and forget to use them. AAAAND its also much more convenient to use notes app for very important things because we can leave it open on our phone so any alter who fronts always sees it. with planners and journals you have to physically decide to open it and check it and bring it with you everywhere to check and we literally do not remember to do that ever so notes app it is LMFAO

Sally {She/They}⚡🪐 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) We absolutely suck at keeping track of/staying on top of physical journals and stuff. Bc of that our…

[wind shell]

were the animals just an excuse to put the unicorn? yes. but it’s our national animal so it’s mandatory. :)

[wind shell]

james is english and has the 🦅 as his emoji and i’m american and have the 🦁 as my emoji hehe /sil

[azure egret]

tw: mention of ||harmful|| tics, the tic is not described
okay so one of us has this tic that sucks big booty butthole and we can't figure out which one of us has it. "We've" had it since we were a kid (and not a we yet ig) so we have no clue as to whose it is. Have any of you systems in here had this same thing and/or anyone have ideas to figure it out? (I'm thinking maybe making a whole visual of tracker when it happens and who is out?? that's prolly the only way we just have to actually do that oof :,))

• Xander (w Alex & Tyler also in the chat)

[civic iron]

I saw we were sharing notes apps
To be clear idk which ones of these are our boyfriend and which ones are us

The last one had to be our boyfriend because Antonio is his name

[lyric pivot]

Hi

[wind shell]

Hi!

We literally never use notes. The closest thing would be the sp chat lol

[The Notes] F; Lime ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I saw we were sharing notes apps
To be clear idk which ones of these are our boyfriend and which one… 📎

[digital abyss]

Oh gosh we barely use sp chat but that also has some stuff too

spoiled is a slight nsfw joke not really jst genitals

[pulsar wren]

Why are we so much more boring than y’all?

[wind shell]

Trust me, there’ll be stuff going on that you don’t even know about

[pulsar wren]

I mean our chats cause, like, this is what all of our chats consist of us reminding each other of deadlines or chores. Like, “we have an exam on the 5th” ( random date ) or “we’re out of ___”

I don’t think we ever use them to actually have conversations

[wind shell]

Hey, you can use them for what you want or need. We just use them to be silly or yell at each other at the moment

[pulsar wren]

Fair

[wind shell]

Examples

[pulsar wren]

Also a good chunk of our system is just literally angels who are obsessed with order and rules so even if we wanted to be fun I think they would protest

[pulsar wren]

lol

[wind shell]

Haha yeah sounds like that could be difficult to work with

[pulsar wren]

They’re decent? I think? Mikhail and Samir are decent. The rest have sticks up their asses

( they don’t front often tho so that’s a positive )

[wind shell]

Yeah

We get new fronters like every other week sometimes

[pulsar wren]

We don’t get a lot of new fronters ( thankfully ), we got a ton of new ones recently though for no reason ( in the last month or so? ) with more angels making themselves known as well as Jax, David, and Archie splitting

[wind shell]

Yeah

Funny how you have angels and we have demons…

[pulsar wren]

Lmao, kinda, yea

We have 8

I think?

*7

[wind shell]

We have at least 5

Different types of trauma require different things I guess

[pulsar wren]

Yep, all ours are introjects

[wind shell]

Only one is brainmade the other 4 are introjects

[pulsar wren]

Interesting

We have one named Gatekeeper, isn’t a gatekeeper, just called that

[wind shell]

Iirc Anth (brainmade demon) formed because we thought “oh our mum is worse than a demon”

So thus demons could help

Maybe

Haha

ArsonCrows [☀🪶] ↩️

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[pulsar wren]

Ours are forced, which is only like 20% less cool because they function the same either way but they have extra emotional baggage /j

[wind shell]

Oop

[pulsar wren]

( they don’t actually have extra emotional baggage )

( that’s the joke part )

[wind shell]

Haha

[hot rock]

What’s the difference between introjects and brainmade and what does those mean?

[wind shell]

Introject means it's based of a source (real person in your life, someone safe, media etc) and brainmade means your brain came up with it by itself. It can have basis off of someone but it's not tied to a specific source

Matthew (pls @) ↩️

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[hot rock]

Thanks for answering:)

[wind shell]

No worries 😄

[wind shell]

And then we have both 😭

Rin || He/Him 🪽🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Funny how you have angels and we have demons…

6 demons, 4 angels

[north chasm]

Oop didn't mean to ping lol

[north chasm]

What is the sp chat and where can you download it??

[wind shell]

Simply plural app has a chat section that you can go to

[fallow mango]

Hi! So my partner is questioning if they have DID and honestly they have most of the criteria and with my knowledge and understanding of disorders I think they do so what does she do or how do I help? /gena

[digital abyss]

Therapy is always a number one -- which sounds dumb but the way to help with it is therapy

as for your part, most likely just listening to their experiences and accomodating ^^ if an alter doesnt want to date you then respect it

ik it sounds dumb but youd be surprised

rhats all that comes to mind for me ^_^

[wind shell]

Jas- Yeah, same basically, what I was gonna say is:

No.1: Therapy is important
No.2: Support them, they’re bound to experience some confusion and periods of denial.

[fallow mango]

It’s not dumb I get it I’m in therapy and it is helpful
The problem is their dad wouldn’t believe she has DID and that they’re faking her mom would search DID up and tell their dad if she knew so she can’t tell them and thank you I will do that ^^

[fallow mango]

Thank you^^

[wind shell]

Yeah that’s fair enough, I think a lot of cases of DID it isn’t safe to tell the parents

°•officiallyweirdandgay🌈•° ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) It’s not dumb I get it I’m in therapy and it is helpful
The problem is their dad wouldn’t believe s…

[lyric pivot]

The dawg what got me rolling! 🤣

[digital abyss]

pls dont ping me

[digital abyss]

yee oki just didnt want to sound like id state the obvious ^_^

[fallow mango]

It’s Alr! You weren’t! ^^

[lyric pivot]

I’m so sorry

[lyric pivot]

It won’t happen again 🙃

[wind shell]

If you can see the @ before the user when replying to someone you have pinged them
On phone, the turn off @ button is just above the send button /info

Strawberry system 🍓♾✨🤍 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) It won’t happen again 🙃

[paper crater]

\ Example with me pinging

[paper crater]

. Example with me not pinging

[simple hinge]

Hey I know we asked this like months ago and never followed up ( we totally spaced ) but would anyone be willing to help me figure out to set up a pluralkit?

[wind shell]

Yep sure thing, want to do that in the bot channel? I also have a server that I’m happy for you to join to figure it out

Troiodon Formosus ↩️

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[paper crater]

.

[simple hinge]

Whatever works better!

[wind shell]

Probably be better for you to have somewhere private to do it aha, mind if I dm you the link?

[simple hinge]

I don't mind!

[wind shell]

Sent

[digital abyss]

you did it twice again hello

[wind shell]

Yeah, I tried to explain it to them hopefully

[wind shell]

Do any of y'all have a collective name for your system? Like, not the body's/legal name but like a system name. For example, ours we came up with was System Error 404. We pretty much never really use it in any offline spaces since it's not really necessary or relevant but on online spaces or just when tracking system things we use it.

Yeah

Uh we have “The Prime Radiants”

Reference to one of our hyperfixations

[ember vessel]

\ the popcorn council. ^^

for reasons.

that. i’m too tired to explain. /lh

[wind shell]

That's neat, I've seen some people who have some really creative ones. There was one I saw someone have that was "The cat distribution system" which was pretty neat.

YOOO

love that one

[weak basin]

GG @pine marsh, you just advanced to level 4!

[wind shell]

Ikr??

My babies, plus the flying grump

Awww they're so cuteee

[ember vessel]

ok the reason is. @loud acorn basically.

i didn’t know how to explain-

but that explains it-

[wind shell]

Lmao

Uh

Anyone know how to like speed up a switch when you don’t know the alter too well?
I’ve been dissociated for ages now 😭

[ember vessel]

music? or something. i need to add that to sp-

[wind shell]

Uhmm, yeah I usually end up putting on music when I'm dissociated. Either it grounds me or it helps a switch depending on the scenario. I'm not good at that kind of thing either but some others in our system have an easier time with things like that.

I mean

Current plan is making cookies

So

That sounds fun

[ember vessel]

cookies :0

[wind shell]

Ngl I might get some cookies later when we're at the store lol

sounds really yummy rn

Why is the younger sibling better than us?

Ahhh

Strawberry Acai system

And And collective names we all answer to are Vince and Dara

Levi {He/They}⚡🪐 ↩️

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We chose the collective name Raven so we just kinda go by birds sys or Raven sys lol

[ember vessel]

we want a collective name but we keep not liking the ones we try :/

just to make things easier

because the popcorn council is really long

[wind shell]

Yeah it’s tough

That main reason we felt we needed it is cause the name we went by was also the name of an alter so other alters would get rlly confused lol

Side note- why is one of your roles a smiley face? /lh

[ember vessel]

uhhhh

i don’t know if i’m allowed to say- 😭

@steady wolf ping :D

can i say why we have the smiley face

or you can say

if you answer

waits

[steady wolf]

oh yeah

[ember vessel]

i think if we were to pick one then some of us would just have to deal with not liking it……. i guess it doesn’t need to be something we all like or relate to necessarily..

[ember vessel]

you pinged you meanie /j

[ember vessel]

it was for moderating some things before we got official mod powers

like deleting messages and changing peoples names to not have special characters

we still have it because stan hasn’t taken it away yet-

[north chasm]

we have TheHappyWolf

[digital abyss]

ToothVoid

TV or Void is our collective name.

However sometimes for some reason we just get called "Tooth"

[wind shell]

That’s cool lol

🫧💫 | do not @ping ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) it was for moderating some things before we got official mod powers

[wind shell]

yea- ratbags lmao

Levi {He/They}⚡🪐 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Do any of y'all have a collective name for your system? Like, not the body's/legal name but like a s…

Idk exactly why but we go by a variation of rat in online spaces- mostly ratsincoats, and ratbags i beleiev is like crazy/hectic, mainly reffering ti kids in normal society as it is slang, and it kinda fit seeing as we use the name rats in online spaces and like most systems its very hectic and crazy

[hybrid skiff]

well our system name is the rose system but we might change it ngl and we go by Virus or Game with non close people but our partner system can use our real name

[green lava]

we collectively go by Solar / Sol !
our entire system name is “the creative collective”, but we have a subsystem who front the most which is named “the solar system” pfft

[sonic hull]

Our system name is Cryptid System, we go by Cryptid, but people that don’t know use one of our names but our collective name is Cryptid

[wind shell]

Anyone else have different phobias alter to alter?
Cause we're just now finding out we do as I panic from a phobia our previous host never had

[pulsar wren]

Crows Collective ( CC or Crows for short ). Passerine is also acceptable ( term referring to all birds under the order Passeriform, and thus is, in fact, a collective term )

[pulsar wren]

Yes.

[midnight drift]

We use The Star System or Alex & Co but they're moreso for other to refer to us collectively - we don't really use it.

We each have our own phrases for the rest of the system & typically end up referring to individuals or smaller groups anyway.

I.e; the adults, the teens, the forest gang, the protectors, our siblings/family members (for those with an inner world connection), or just "the others"

[pulsar wren]

Forgot but also The Starlit Nest is another thing we don’t really use but is kind of a weird ‘system name that popped into our once and that we like’ kinda thing. Also if you refer to us via our flower names entirely the system name becomes The Avian Garden. Idk why, it just does

So, we have 4 system names

We typically just answer to crows collective though since the others are less cool and no one typically uses our flower names

[digital abyss]

yes. one of our co hosts is terrified of balloons 😭😭

and he looks so scary

[wind shell]

Yup well didn't occur to me that could happen until I realised I have trypophobia last night but our old host was obsessed with phobias and never had a problem with that phobia and now I become host and I absolutely can't even look at anything close to it

[digital abyss]

dude we think some of us have trypophobia

but idk if i personally fall under the category

[lyric pivot]

Omg I googled that I’m terrified

[pulsar wren]

I don’t get it

Maybe it’s the fact I draw too many bee hives, maybe I’m desensitised or something

[wind shell]

I’m more intrigued than grossed out by it

[pulsar wren]

I think it summoned something

Yea, no, there’s now several alters chanting… I have no idea actually, I honestly prefer not to pay attention, if I start paying attention they’ll make me join them

Something about bees?

[wind shell]

Sorry, ya’ll, Arsy’s now unavailable. Loser (light-hearted)

Oop

[hybrid skiff]

Yeah

[pulsar wren]

The confused reaction kills me. That was The Hive, the bee-related chanting, I mean. I’m in The Hive so they decided I had to be involved? How I got dragged out of front, I have no idea, I think they conscripted one of the alters who knows how to drag folks out of front, I don’t know how it works, I just know I don’t want to hear the word ‘bee’ for the next week

( this is what I mean when I say our system’s a clusterfuck )

[wind shell]

I don’t feel valid part 3-4

[wind shell]

Blurry, but I think it’s me fronting

[weak basin]

GG @stable sapphire, you just advanced to level 9!

[wind shell]

I saw a video and it was || hair transplant scab removal || and its been days and it still haunts me. Fair warning DO NOT look that up

Strawberry system 🍓♾✨🤍 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Omg I googled that I’m terrified

[lyric pivot]

Ok thanks for the warning

[weak basin]

GG @lyric pivot, you just advanced to level 5!

[wind shell]

I think you are!!! And even if you were wrong which I don't think you are, I'd still support you either way

Blurry +[They/Them] { 📜 } ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I don’t feel valid part 3-4

Thank you

[north chasm]

yes

[north chasm]

same and omgg wtf did i google!

[azure egret]

thanks for responding, sorry for asking a question and then disappearing. this weekend turned out a lot busier than we expected

[ember vessel]

i wanna stop being blurryyyyy

[wind shell]

Same

We've been blurry almost all day today. Even at work too.

[ember vessel]

i think we’re splitting more alters :/ /nav

[azure egret]

had to get a test done that was kinda painful and us littles did S0 G00D I'm proud of us, cuz that really sucked ᕙ(❛ᗜ❛)ᕗ
-Xander

[wind shell]

So one of out protectors decided he needed to go to our job today instead of our host. Our host got us to work but that protector was the one actually out while we were there. I’m thinking it was bc of stress of having to do tax papers and the fact that we aren’t familiar with anyone there yet.

That’s great! I’m glad that things went well today :3

Lex (pls @ ty :) ↩️

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[azure egret]

Thanks! I hope work went alright even if it wasn't your host out ❇️
-Xander

[coral flint]

Does anyone have tips for dealing with long-term derealisation?

[wind shell]

Actually about to crash out. Usually we never say we're blurry but at this point we have no idea who's fronting like we know the host is here but there's just a big clump of blur and we haven't had this happen in so long it's so weird

[wind shell]

Feeling very disosiated right now and barely did any tasks and are out of breath. All the little are offering us comfort as they see us trying fo catch our breath. They are just the sweetest. God I hate feeling out of breath easy especially when we're disossiated and stressed due to the stuff we're gonna try to bring up in therapy tomorrow

[wind shell]

It did go well, he did really well with handling work responsibilities for our host since he (host) was too stressed to handle it today :)

Lex (pls @ ty :) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thanks! I hope work went alright even if it wasn't your host out ❇️
-Xander

[wind shell]

Well our host identity is scared and so are us alters. Our therapist just mentioned reintigration and we looked into it. We don't want it. We're scared we will go away. We want to keep our identitys and be who we are and our host identity really wants that to. We talked to our host identity now that we're home from therapy and all of us are struggling not to break down and cry. We don't want to go away we have grown close to the point we have become a family. We don't know what to do and franquily we're really really scared. 😢

do you have to?

He gave me a chose and I won't be able to tell him till the 17th we were told our host identity would no longer hear any of us and that is scaring them. Idk how much of this is true but truthfully if we go away our host identity will be devastated is what our host identity told us 😔 😢

Sir Michael says systems don’t have to do that

hi very quick question asap im at my psychiatrist for the fjret time by mysef without my parents should i bring up did

If you’re not comfortable then no

i am i just dont want to get diagnosed

not yet at least

not until i move out

( wrong proxy )

Musa [ He/Hymn ] ☀🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) If you’re not comfortable then no

didnt mean to interrupt sorry the appt is in 5 minuts so

Then don’t bring it up! You don’t need to

❓ CHAOS ◇ HE/THEY — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) not until i move out

I hope so because the way he made it sound sounds like fusion which our host identity never ever wanted

Atid [ They/He/She ] ☀🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Sir Michael says systems don’t have to do that

im terrified to get fake claimed

but this may be the only yime i get diagnosed w at least ptsd

or cptsd or smtjin

ill bring up ptsd

n did later on

thanks !!

I’m pretty sure re-integration is fusion, Berwald

Berwald Oxenstierna Sweden 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I hope so because the way he made it sound sounds like fusion which our host identity never ever wan… 📎

for the help ^

Or involves it? The others know more about this than I do, very sorry

Mikhail/Michael [ He/Ether/Mercy ] ☀🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I’m pretty sure re-integration is fusion, Berwald 📎

So it is what I think it is. I honestly almost cried in front of our therapist and said we don't want to say goodbye 😢

Mikhail/Michael [ He/Ether/Mercy ] ☀🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I’m pretty sure re-integration is fusion, Berwald 📎

Then don’t. Functional multiplicity is an option you have a right to

I didn't know that at all. Thanks for bringing it up

What exactly is that

Healing without fusing, I think? Not knowledgable on this stuff. Functioning day to day and healing and the such but staying separate alters from what I know? You should do your own research on it

That's what I'm gonna do

[wind shell]

Yeah. Your therapist shouldn’t give you just one option. They should present all the options you have

[coral flint]

Yeah, it focuses on improving communication and lowering dissociative barriers so it’s easier to function

[wind shell]

Talked long and hard with the system and we all had a good cry. We all decided were gonna work as a system family to achieve functional multiplicity and will have a chance to let our therapist know we decided this on the 17th. Through having him read that goal we wrote down and we wrote a detailed letter that came from each system members heart but mostly our host identity. I feel confident with our decision but nervous because it will be a lot hard work but am willing to work twords this for the system

[wind shell]

Someone help 😭
We haven't been blurry in so long and our brain is just screaming we're not a system and we made it all up and finally grew out of that "phase"

What do I do??? I only know I'm not the "host" because she doesn't talk like this and the closest person I can think of is Maxx bit I don't feel like him either

Does anyone know what to do to at least figure out if I'm new or something?

[limpid siren]

I've got an unblur document if you want to try it out!

Also like lowkey online jigsaw puzzles are so handy for it!

[wind shell]

Sure!

Embers (No @'s) ☆ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I've got an unblur document if you want to try it out!

Oh you can dm it

[stable sapphire]

\ this is our base

[wind shell]

Ooo can we be sent one as well since with the goal we set we know being blurry will happen more during the prossess

[heavy steppe]

This is our account

[limpid siren]

I can just paste the doc in here and maybe someone can pin it!

[wind shell]

good idea actually

[limpid siren]

Age range. Little, middle, teenager or adult works if you're not sure about a number.
Pronouns, genre of terms you use (andro, masc, fem).
Sexuality. Are you attracted to girls/women, boys/men, non-binary people?
Color of hair, eyes, skin, etc. If you're able to guess any of these, it can narrow it down quite a lot depending on the system.
Do you have any typically non-human physical characteristics? Such as horns, sharp teeth, wings, tail(s), claws, more or less than two eyes?
Do you feel connected with the idea of being a human? Do you feel connected with any specific species?
Your favorite color?
Your favorite (type of) food?
Your favorite animal?
Your favorite fictional character(s)?
Your favorite song/show/movie?
What's your favorite genre of music?
Do you have any hobbies, interests, or hyperfixations/special interests?
What do you do/would like to do in your free time?
What color would you main in Among Us?
What element would you bend?
What Hogwarts house would you be in?
Are you non-verbal?
If applicable, do you have feelings for anyone that alters in your system are dating/have feelings for?

 Make sure to take deep breaths (in for four seconds, hold it for four, out for four) and ground if you need. You're safe, it is completely normal to feel dissociated and/or blurry at times when you're part of a system. You can take your time, there's no rush.

 If you need some help grounding, try listing five things you can see, four things you can touch, three things you can hear, two things you can smell and one thing you can taste. If your system cannot do one of these, you can either skip to the next one or add the amount of items to another sense (e.g: if you're deaf, try listing more things you can see or touch). If you can, wash your face and hands/wrists with some cold water, temperature helps with grounding.

(sorry for the wall of text )

[wind shell]

Thanks

[wind shell]

Hi. I just got encouraged to front for a bit to work on my independence and experience it after being gone for a long time. Man it's weird seeing your home after not seeing it for god knows how long

[pulsar wren]

Finally, a funny alter interaction. Mikhail is now old. L

And it’s from the angels with sticks up their asses. I think I’m gonna enjoy this in future

[wind shell]

Well my approach to my treatment has drastically changed. We love each other to much to lose anyone even after truama is healed when or if that will happen we still won't go. We wrote a long letter and 8 goals on what we will do to achieve this. Give me more independence but never say goodbye. Yes we are that bonded with each other. I hope we're doing the right thing

[green lava]

i copy pasted this for later tysm i hope this helps us 😭🙏

we are blurry a lot now :(

[wind shell]

Just got some wonderful sweet messages from people who love their systems as much as I do and I got banned for talking about why I was scared and even their sweet messages got deleatd. Guess no one can support anyone without someone getting butt hurt. We weren't even talking about anything against the rules 😔

[paper crater]

\Some places view not wanting final fusion as anti-recovery. Which it is not at all.

Which could be why

[wind shell]

Hmmm that is just not right. Does sound like one of the reasons. After that happened with my already fragile state it scared me even more because my fears were considered bad to them so I left and cried very hard because of that since it made me more scared

[wind shell]

Everyone signed the front of our system journal as I helped write the littles names and we even put our family moto on it. This made me smile for the first time since therapy

[wind shell]

That's so sweet. I'm glad something got you to smile, y'all deserve to be happy.

[wind shell]

Thank you for that. This is a long and hard prossess but family always sticks together and as many have said with how close we are and how much we are fighting for each other is honestly inspiring which also makes us happy

[wind shell]

So...funny story, I just found a GameStop bag with half the Loki Funko pop figurines set and I did not even know we had this.

[wind shell]

Slight update. We'll survive I'm just pretty busy in headspace lol for some reason just stuff piled up cause like me and procrastination are like this 🤞🏾

Anywayyy I'm back for the most part

Blurry ╱ they⸝⸝ 🌷 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Someone help 😭
We haven't been blurry in so long and our brain is just screaming we're not a system…

[wind shell]

Question is it possible in therapy to while I'm being independent work on always having a alter co conscious watching over me to keep me safe while I front. I will do my stuff and work on me but one will always be on duty watching me to keep me safe. For example it's like when I had my service dog. Me and my husband both felt like I was safer because I had someone watching me and keeping me safe while allowing me to be independent as much as I can. Because all alters can help me even when truamas healed yes. But I feel safer as one of those package deals where a alter is always with this specific alter when that alter is fronting. It helps me feel safer even when I am confident in myself. Idk how else to explain this so I hope this makes some sense

[wind shell]

I think it's okay. But I do think it's also important to eventually, with practise and retraining the nervous system (it won't come quickly), to be able to do things by yourself. Independency just as important at codependency and both skills are valuable in their own way

[weak basin]

GG @heavy steppe, you just advanced to level 29!

[wind shell]

Ah I see where your coming from. That sounds like it can work while maintaining a good relationship with my alters even after truama is healed no matter how long it takes. Family sticks together forever ❤️

David | he/him | Caretaker/protector ↩️

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[wind shell]

We’ve had like the same subsystem mainly front for months and months now, and I can’t help but wonder like why it’s so hard to reach the main sys (it’s been waxing and waning, but alters from there have fronted only a few times) and also what it’ll be like if the main sys starts to front again cause so much has changed 😭

[urban sage]

That sounds really rough, but at least you know that the main system hasn't just disappeared right?

[weak basin]

GG @coral flint, you just advanced to level 18!

[wind shell]

Yeah lol that’s not exactly possible

Ooh yippee

[wind shell]

i was gona say--

Nova/Noah - he/they ||BIRDS ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Yeah lol that’s not exactly possible

[tight flax]

do you want to choose some roles in #🐞pick-your-roles it will help you get around and make it easier and stuf /info

[urban sage]

I did

[urban sage]

Sorry I was joking I thought people could tell
Mb

[tight flax]

wait sorry lmao my phone hid them

[wind shell]

gotcha we're bad w/ tone lol

Blooptheduckdestroyer ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Sorry I was joking I thought people could tell
Mb

[coral flint]

Ohhhhh

[rocky river]

Any chronic pain systems here??

I have (strongly suspecting) MS

And im in a world of pain rn

[tight flax]

Wdym chronic pain systems? Like systems with chronic pain?

[paper crater]

I’d assume so

[pulsar wren]

Yes ✨

It’s horrid

Assuming you mean systems with chronic pain???

[wind shell]

sorry to type over the chronic pain conversation :/

what do systems with their own OC’s as introjects sorta like….. do with the character after they discovered the introject? /nfta

like do you keep writing for them and/or drawing them or do you abandon them or do you change them slightly if the introject is really really similar to the OC….. or does it kinda depend….. or do you not really think about it

I'd keep writing. (Don't have an introject of an oc but we have a ton of introjects and an oc)

imogen {it/they} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) sorry to type over the chronic pain conversation :/

what do systems with their own OC’s as introjec…

Not an introject thing but we had an oc named Samir Ayres and as you may have noticed, I have the same name, cause I took it from this OC, this made writing the character kinda awkward in the same way I’d imagine introjection of the OC does. I changed his name, bit of his appearance, and a fair bit of his story so he’s a lot more comfy to write and also Malik’s — the new name — story a lot better written than Samir’s so pros and cons

I’d say, if it’s uncomfy to write them then change them until they’re comfy to write again

if it’s still comfy to write them then it’s whatever, it doesn’t matter

[wind shell]

Hihi!! oc introject here that is still actively worked on

i ended up voice acting my own source when I fully split (it was a weird timeline)

becaus the series im an introject from is still up and running, i help the co host and managers of the series write my own source. a lot of irl trauma is portrayed thru my source so its a good way to healthily work thru it, my therapisr says.

majority of our introjects are ocs !!

idk if that helps :p

imogen {it/they} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) sorry to type over the chronic pain conversation :/

what do systems with their own OC’s as introjec…

esplodes

🐇 41 ⌒ they/it — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Hihi!! oc introject here that is still actively worked on

i ended up voice acting my own source whe… 📎

we didn’t really want help with it i was just curious :> /lh
thank you though!! /gen

🐇 41 ⌒ they/it — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Hihi!! oc introject here that is still actively worked on

i ended up voice acting my own source whe… 📎

oo i misunderstood !! oki sorry

pk and the giant replies saga /sil

but yes

i voice act my own source

and it gets weird when i write my own psedomemories

we found out theres a subsys version of me that kinda holds onto more of said trauma

i wish systemism was straight forwards its so confusing

it’s ok it’s ok!! i was wondering because we’re drawing a pfp for an alter who comes from a bunch of different old ocs (in appearance and names anyways) because no picrew could do it and i liked drawing them so i was kinda curious if anybody else continued the story after finding the alter….. if that makes sense

🐇 Habit｜they/it — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) oo i misunderstood !! oki sorry

i’m a bit rambly /sil

bonus points we have an introject... of our.. collective persona....

🐇 41 ⌒ they/it — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) esplodes 📎

gotcga!! yeah we draw our own pfps as well

i fear theres no such picrew that can do me justice

<- lab rat of 12 species

imogen {it/they} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) it’s ok it’s ok!! i was wondering because we’re drawing a pfp for an alter who comes from a bunch of… 📎

being a nonhuman heavy system is so cursed

like whered my tail go

come back

😭🙏

it’s so complicated sometimes!!! i don’t think i’m allowed to say (because privacy) what i’m thinking about in our system but it’s definitely complicated and confusing…..

🐇 Habit｜they/it — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i wish systemism was straight forwards its so confusing

gotcha :p

like what even am i lmao

🐇 Habit｜they/it — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) gotcga!! yeah we draw our own pfps as well

i fear theres no such picrew that can do me justice

… 📎

[digital abyss]

pk;m 41 pfp

[faint solstice]

41's avatar

To clear, use pk;member 41 avatar clear.

[wind shell]

cursed

thats close enough

oh she doesn’t care if i say ok-

there’s one oc who we had as a kid through to mid teens and she changed a lot so there’s for definite 1 alter but we’re trying to figure out if she’s a subsystem or not or if there’s just multiple alters and she’s got like 15 different backstories or something and it’s very complicated-

imogen {it/they} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) it’s so complicated sometimes!!! i don’t think i’m allowed to say (because privacy) what i’m thinkin… 📎

i getchu

we have an introject who has three different sources of four different characters

imogen {it/they} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) oh she doesn’t care if i say ok-

there’s one oc who we had as a kid through to mid teens and she ch… 📎

and bc of that

they use three names 😭🙏

we’ve got one who uses 3 names.. so far……. we’re still working through that hehe

not the same one as the other one

i gotta get back to drawing

nods

were workin on pk tenplates

[wind shell]

I am working on myself and my system in-between therapy and wondering if anyone has advice on how to be more independent while keeping my alters even after truama healed. Me and my alters are struggling on where to start with this especially with truama triggers and trying to work on more positive triggers for my alters to come out but not as much so I can keep working on being independent and I am struggling to be more independent on my own and no one around me know how to help with this since I am the only system in real life that I know. Any advice will help just be extra gentsl with the advice we are very emotinal with everything going on

[hybrid skiff]

yuh this, same with us

[coral flint]

I think you need to be really careful working through trauma on you own, maybe focus more and improving communication and try to leave working through trauma to be with a professional

[wind shell]

Ah I see. I'm just more nervous to tell him my decision to keep my alters the closer the appointment gets. I am not freaking out as much as the first 3 days while making the decision to keep them and get everything in order for the day but the nervousness is sadly still there

Raven sys (||BIRDS) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I think you need to be really careful working through trauma on you own, maybe focus more and improv…

[wind shell]

Yes

Ani/Jade/Cesia ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Any chronic pain systems here??

[ember vessel]

\ why is music such a strong trigger when we don’t want it to be but when we do want it to be it’s not. 😭 /lh

[heavy steppe]

LG: It happens with us and I belive because it provocs feelings at random may be why

Grr app down still welp

[coral flint]

We’ve experienced new trauma (/nav) and I don’t think we’ve split from it so far! /pos

[heavy steppe]

LG: Hope your doing ok

[coral flint]

Yeah we’re alright, thanks

[heavy steppe]

LG: Your very welcome

[digital abyss]

It's due to discord being down for a bit, PK is starting up shortly

[tight flax]

Yes

[wind shell]

Pk back up!!

[wind shell]

Goodness we relate to that. Listening to music on shuffle is such a challenge

🫧💫 | do not @ping ↩️

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[wind shell]

Music is known to bring my alters out. I think it's a positive

[wind shell]

Interesting thing i learned recently. My alter Norway told me he has between 7-12 alters of his own. Idk anything about them and he barely knows anything about them to. Anyone got any idea what this may mean I can't ask my therapist yet since it's not the 17th

[pulsar wren]

Subsystem

Maybe

[wind shell]

Hmmm i just looked that up and a funny name popped up on a therapy sit and it says sometimes this is called alterception. I am gonna bring that name up with my therapist and see what he can tell me about it

[pulsar wren]

Alterception might’ve been a /j but yea, that’s a really good idea

[wind shell]

Kinda like the name of that it helps in.my opinion lighten the mood for something that is very personal. A laugh is good

[wind shell]

Havent switched in a while

[green lava]

we keep working on them / writing the stories for em ! it doesnt bother us or the introjects. most of our OC introjects actually work on their own sources/the OCs since they feel more connected to it in a way and find enjoyment doing so (obviously not in a “they think theyre that character” way, but just general connection). a lot of them end up getting pos triggered out as well if we work on the character lore or anything :p

[green lava]

cret ur e

[green lava]

i will say, when you go through the healing process, its extremely common for alters to fuse. not saying you have to work towards full fusion - but be aware that some fusion may happen when some of those dissociative barriers go down.

also, to add; independence comes with time and healing. my only (obviously non-professional) advice is to work on communication and as the other person said, work through trauma in therapy with a professional. work on grounding techniques as well as being grounded and feeling secure in the moment can help a lot with independence

[wind shell]

My therapist and me are working on my custom system goals to keep all my alters and not lose any because all of us are bonded so much we can't be apart so when I talked to him a bit on the phone today about that to let him know that is what me and my alters want in my system as part of our healing goals he said he will do his best to make that happen. Because losing alters for me is losing family and I just can't lose them ya know. We love each other to much

» SOLAR !! — ☀ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i will say, when you go through the healing process, its extremely common for alters to fuse. not sa…

Does anyone else prefer discord over simply plural chat? Cause we’ve thought about it for a while and we like discord more so we’ve now got a server just for system organisation etc.

I do both

Ember - they/pup ||BIRDS ↩️

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We might still use simply plural, but for now we wanna test this too lol

[wind shell]

Were gonna be working on our own custom goals

» SOLAR !! — ☀ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i will say, when you go through the healing process, its extremely common for alters to fuse. not sa…

[wind shell]

oh my gawd 😭🙏

» SOLAR !! — ☀ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) cret ur e

[midnight drift]

Ngl one of my worst fears is that one of my current OCs will become an intj. I did have one OC intj when I was younger but didn't know I was a system so it didn't matter much

[wind shell]

We have an oc introject but he’s so disoriented in front he actively avoided/avoids it

[wind shell]

we have that fear too :/

Alex - @Ping me! [✨] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Ngl one of my worst fears is that one of my current OCs will become an intj. I did have one OC intj …

[pulsar wren]

We don’t have that fear somehow. I think it’s just because we straight up don’t split that often and all of the alters we split are usually near physical embodiments of why we split or related to a thing that distressingly permeated our thoughts at the time and our ocs are incapable of doing that

Not that we can’t split our ocs but it’s really unlikely so we never got that fear

Very logical fear though, honestly, that would probably suck if you’re really into writing that character

[wind shell]

weve gotten past the point of fearing because its our main source of introjects 😭🙏

Alex - @Ping me! [✨] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Ngl one of my worst fears is that one of my current OCs will become an intj. I did have one OC intj …

<- an oc introject..

but i totally understand dwdw

[hot rock]

May I ask what an oc is? /lh

[wind shell]

original character

Matthew (pls @) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) May I ask what an oc is? /lh

so a character a person makes up to write about or draw or use for creative purposes in some.. way

[green lava]

i get that, i just wanted to let you know that involuntary fusion can happen. i hope things go well for you guys /gen

also sorry, i was mid convo last night, was gonna add more but i forgot what i was writing because an emergency happened so i didnt finish what i was gonna say </3

but i basically said everything i needed to i think

[wind shell]

It's ok thanks for the warnings

» SOLAR !! — ☀ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i get that, i just wanted to let you know that involuntary fusion can happen. i hope things go well …

That's fine just tired of feeling scared

» SOLAR !! — ☀ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) but i basically said everything i needed to i think

wanted to respond to this but never did oops- we don’t like the simply plural chat because it’s confusing sometimes and kinda annoying to use (in comparison to discord) and we forget it’s there- so normally we use discord. more specifically the pk commands channel in our private server because we keep not moving to the other channels-

it’s just a lot easier for us to proxy than it is to click a bunch of buttons to get the right member on sp because we know our pk tags really well for the most part and there’s a list. in that server. if we need a reminder.

Ember - they/pup ||BIRDS ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Does anyone else prefer discord over simply plural chat? Cause we’ve thought about it for a while an…

Oh yeah the sp chat just randomly flipped the other day which confused the shit out of us

[wind shell]

why’s it so hard to find a picrew that we like that has purple eyes. 😭 /lh

Find a picrew you like and use ibispaint or something to edit the eye colour? /sug

That’s what we do

[green lava]

weve tried using picrews and we used them for a while bc its easiest but currently we are (slowly, but surely!) making art of all of us

because some of us struggle w finding a picrew that works

[wind shell]

we can’t draw lmao

but yeah if you can draw doing that is awesome!

can’t be bothered lol. /lh

Jas || She/Her 🪽🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Find a picrew you like and use ibispaint or something to edit the eye colour? /sug

we drew one because there was absolutely no way a picrew was going to work. and for some we don’t have actual.. normal pictures.. of a person.

or equivalent.

like someone has a random picture of sylvanian families as their pk avatar.

because even though the picrews do look like them- they still don’t like the picrews-

i’m kinda tempted to use a random picture for emery because we cannot find a picrew that it can settle on for more than a couple months and that has purple eyes and light-ish green hair-

i sorted it

.

perfect

same we draw all of ours or jst use someone elses art and credit it in our bios (if they allow pfp use)

» SOLAR !! — ☀ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) weve tried using picrews and we used them for a while bc its easiest but currently we are (slowly, b…

like felix's for example

[digital abyss]

pk;m felix pfp

[faint solstice]

Felix's avatar

To clear, use pk;member Felix avatar clear.

[digital abyss]

pk;m felix desc

[faint solstice]

Member description

-# “It's only culture”

Felix　𝄈　🍂
-# he / him — masc
-# — 23 y/o
caretaker　𝄈　oti　𝄈　ac

ask to front — sure :)
pda / flirting — jokingly idc lol
dms / pings — no thanks!
source talk — idc i joke abt it a lot

-# “Sulfur, smoke and soot!”

​

To print the description with formatting, type pk;member Felix description -raw. To clear it, type pk;member Felix description -clear. Using 594/1000 characters.

[wind shell]

ac = art credit

i feel like our problem is most of us don’t like the picrew the next time we front, so if we did the drawing thing then the same thing might happen and that would be incredibly annoying. /lh

[wind shell]

God I feel switchy and I feel bad for being that way since my therapist wants me to be more independent 😞

[green lava]

homie, working on being more independent doesnt mean you’re suddenly gonna stop switching /lh

you’re still a system. you still have DID/OSDD. your brain is still currently prone to dissociate to cope with stress. healing and progress like this isnt linear, and it in itself can be a stressful process. dont beat yourself up over something you cant control. if you’re switchy, you’re switchy. it doesnt mean you’re failing at being independent, its how your brain functions right now. it will all get easier in due time with healing, and its baby steps. 🫶

[wind shell]

My host identity just doughts themselves so much but were working on that and helping them be more confident

[green lava]

confidence takes time, but i believe you’ll all get there. im hoping things get easier for yall /gen

[stable sapphire]

\ How do I know if it's denial or if I actually made it up to cope after seeing it online? 😭

[digital abyss]

That's for a therapist, psychiatrist, or you to determine 😭🙏 that's a hard thing to tell if we aint in ur shoes imo /lh /silly

[stable sapphire]

\ Fair but I'm scared I made it up but I did it so good my therapist believes me 😭 😭

[wind shell]

I have been told by my therapist you can't fake system conditions but if you really think your faking just to help yourself feel better bring up what if you misdiagnosed me and see what your therapist says

Ugh I hate getting triggered by something. All my alters just helped calm me down with my hand on my heart and breathing exercises to ground me

[wind shell]

yuh i can try that

Lukas Catherine Dixon 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I have been told by my therapist you can't fake system conditions but if you really think your fakin…

I hope everything works out for you. My system may be a shy one but we also like helping other systems if we are able to

[wind shell]

really weird question

do any other systems have an alter that just perpetuatally feels like they are chewing gum

or is that just us

with me

i know where it comes from probably i was just like. does anybody else have this or something similar with something else

or am i just weird

or is it something completely unrelated

that might not make sense we can maybe rephrase if needed but it’s a weird thing so that might be hard but its not my problem so

[green lava]

im gonna be honest, i do not know at all what you are on about 😭

like what
does that mean /lh

[hybrid skiff]

what???😭

[wind shell]

Not being mean but we don't understand what you mean by that 😭

[midnight drift]

I have two answers depending on the question, both variations on yes

1. "does one particular alter have one constant sensation that the rest of your system doesn't?" Yes. Not with gum specifically but things like wagging tails and licking sharp teeth that aren't there

2. "does one particular alter have a constant craving/urge to do something that the rest of the system doesn't?" Yes. I couldn't think of an example but I know they do.

[wind shell]

those are better explanations. its both things at once because she craves gum but when we don’t have any our face hurts from her chewing nothing and she didn’t separate them because they are kinda the same thing to her i guess.

Alex - @Ping me! [✨] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I have two answers depending on the question, both variations on yes

1. "does one particular alter …

I suppose the same could be said for Zero? He has sharp teeth in the inner world and has a habit of constantly moving his jaw and licking where he things they should be because he's uncomfortable with the sensation of normal teeth - similarly leaving our jaw sore if he fronts for too long without distraction

blurred {ask prns} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) those are better explanations. its both things at once because she craves gum but when we don’t have… 📎

Where he thinks*

yeah.

[midnight drift]

Does anyone else have an alter who experiences extreme fatigue? Like insane levels

Seems like for whatever reason Nin can function for all of about 5-10 minutes and then just collapses and we have no idea why. Granted they have CFS in their source but we've never had it be this extreme with an introject

I genuinely can't tell if it's because she's cocon or because I have a migraine but it's making it so hard to get anything done rn

We do have one alter who gets a bit more tired a bit easier who we think experiences that as a "take a break" warning

Guess my brain got tired of me ignoring that?? What is it with my brain and nerfing me 😭

[digital abyss]

Yes! We have a couple we dub "fatigue holders" and they make us always tired and weak when they front

[midnight drift]

Glad I'm not alone

At least they do it in style! Proper damsel in distress collapse /lh/t

[limpid siren]

Oh i totally meant to reply to this lol- yea we have 1 or 2 I think that just make us crazily tired when they are out front

[wind shell]

Therapy went well. Were working to keep my alters after truama heals and that makes me so happy

My alter Norway gets exstrem fatigue and were still working on figuring out why

Alex - @Ping me! [✨] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Does anyone else have an alter who experiences extreme fatigue? Like insane levels

Seems like for w…

[wet willow]

listening to 'tommyinnits clinic for super villains' again. trust this totally won't totally throw off my life and make at least 3 more alters make them selves known :3

-Toby

[azure egret]

One of our littles is almost always sleepy when she "fronts" (she very rarely fronts alone, so for her levels of being in control being out with another alter and mostly in control is her fronting) if she's cocon but more in the background it's okay but when she's really here it's almost always snuggle relax time. We kinda think it's because she holds sooooo much fear and anxiety so idk if it's the same as what you mean but

tldr yes

-Xander, Lex, with a dash of Simon

[green lava]

mhm, we have fatigue holders
we struggle w/ fatigue a lot so we have many alters who hold onto that

[wind shell]

Currently feeling really dissociated and like we’re forgetting something or can’t remember something. It feels important but all of my thoughts rn are fleeting. Anyone have any grounding tips that help y’all bc we’ve been really switchy today.

[wind shell]

bit late but splashing face with cold water, feet on a solid surface, music, drinking something

Blurry {They/Them}⚡🪐 ↩️

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[wind shell]

Late response but we are feeling very dissociated to. Kinda fee like were headed for the unknown state

Blurry {They/Them}⚡🪐 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Currently feeling really dissociated and like we’re forgetting something or can’t remember something…

Actually those sound like good things to do. We never thought of stuff like that

low {it/they} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) bit late but splashing face with cold water, feet on a solid surface, music, drinking something 📎

[wind shell]

Thank you so much. Those are good tips. We've been having a rough time recently but this helps a lot. Ik that for me, splashing cold water on our face or using ice packs on our neck or something like that typically helps to ground at least temporarily.

low {it/they} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) bit late but splashing face with cold water, feet on a solid surface, music, drinking something 📎

That's kinda the territory we've been in while trying to deal with and figure out a few things lol.

Lukas Catherine Dixon 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Late response but we are feeling very dissociated to. Kinda fee like were headed for the unknown sta… 📎

[pulsar wren]

Honestly, that’s how we feel every time we watch a media; “I wonder which of these character’s Wren’s gonna be for the week” ( Wren’s an alter of ours that mimics media cause idk )

[coral flint]

And also, if possible, just getting out in nature! It helps more than you’d expect lol

[green lava]

getting out in nature is INCREDIBLY grounding for us

[wind shell]

Feeling a bit upset people think the reason I never know.when I make people uncomfortable or hurt people with my words or just be annoying is because of my system condition and I don't understand this and it makes me feel hurt because I apparently hurt and made someone uncomfortable recently and my friends think it was the person's reaction to my system condition. I'm not sure how to take this because my friends think people's reactions to people like me are normal. I actually got so upset yesterday that I didn't want to speak in case I hurt someone. Everyone in the system feels bad about this. Our host identity specificly. I just idk anymore with this😔 yes our therapist is trying to figure this issue out. So far no luck 😔

It's not like i shoved my system condition in their face, I didn't even bring it up except when talking to others in the group who know about it while the person we apparently did all this to said nothing 😥 and apparently we have done this our whole life and so has our host identity

[hybrid skiff]

system condition?

whats that?

[wind shell]

I called it that because my friends just call it that

But anyways people think my issues come from it and it confuses me and makes me feel like i hurt people 😔 without realizing it

My therapist says I have DID but sometimes since I can't get it written on my record due to i have to pay out of pocket lots of money for it. I have lots of old habits of calling it system conditions come up because before we would get stuck in the mindset sometimes of is it ok to say the name or should it be on paper before we say the conditions name we are told we have just don't have it on paper written but hey old habits die hard. Were trying to work on saying we have DID more. Its still new to actually have a name for what kind we have since we only had therapy 4 times so far. So that's why we still catch ouselves saying that sometimes

V!rus [He/They] [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) system condition?

[azure egret]

Our mom is being more and more accepting and inclusive (?) idk if that's right but she's asking who she's with and even recognizes some of us! especially me!! ˚₊‧✩ੈ(❛ᗜ❛)/ੈ✩‧₊˚
I'm very excited about this :)))
-Xander 💚🍀❇️

[wind shell]

that makes more sense

Mathis Densen Denmark 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) My therapist says I have DID but sometimes since I can't get it written on my record due to i have t… 📎

i feel like buses and public transport in general should be places we don’t switch a lot. considering the disorientation and how only some of us actually know where we are travelling to and how to recognise it. but we’ve switched probably 10 times on this bus ride alone.. /lh

[hybrid skiff]

mhm makes sense

[hybrid skiff]

10 times within one ride???

[wind shell]

My god 😭🙏 good luck broski that sounds AWFUL 😭😭😭

anon / unknown {ask prns} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i feel like buses and public transport in general should be places we don’t switch a lot. considerin…

[hybrid skiff]

i simply would cease to function at that point, the dissocation alone would have me just

[wind shell]

common rapid switching L

[hybrid skiff]

fr

[wind shell]

. proxying before i forgot

get

We get that sometimes and atp we jsut nap like its a lost cause to funcrtion

V!rus [He/They] [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i simply would cease to function at that point, the dissocation alone would have me just <:0_peterde…

get

[⚔] Blake - He/Doc [🥀] ↩️

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yeah

🎱 Demitri ⨯ they/he — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) We get that sometimes and atp we jsut nap like its a lost cause to funcrtion 📎

ill eat you

🎱 Demitri ⨯ they/he — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) get 📎

heavy dissocatio nmakes us litrealyy not able to move it sucks

[ember vessel]

\ we never track rapid switching because it happens so fast (we don’t track switches really at all currently) but this time we didn’t realise that’s what was happening until whoever sent that message and there was a collective “oooohhhh”. it was about 30 minutes into the journey at that point, and some of the switches were maybe 30 seconds apart. mostly i think it was just 5 people switching between themselves which is better than the normal rapid switching we get. that’s more like “everyone to front right now you get 30 seconds or 5 minutes to say your piece!” /lh

[ember vessel]

think it’s happening again :/

i don’t know why

so tired lol /nav

[pulsar wren]

Ya’ll

We finally discovered an alter who’s kinda social

First case of the century: an alter in the Crows Collective who actually wants friends

[wind shell]

Sweet, that’s a plus for social interactions.

Hope you end up making some friends. I have been trying to make new friends but as a shy system we have been super awkward and stuttery as we try and sadly we have made some uncomfterble with stuff like sharing facts we learned that thought were interesting or are talking while playing videogames habit no one ever tells us is annoying so we never knew. But one new person we are hoping will be friends with us thinks our stuttering and shyness while not really understanding how to make friends is cute and enduring so that's a plus in the right direction

ArsonCrows [☀🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) We finally discovered an alter who’s kinda social

[pulsar wren]

That’s cool, folks like that are always great

[wind shell]

We think so

[wind shell]

there’s someone new who’s different enough that we can tell they are new but we’re too switchy and they can’t stay in front long enough for them to figure themself out and we don’t know where they go in headspace……

no advice please i just wanted to complain to people who might understand :> /lh

actual question with advice wanted - how do we keep littles out of front? they keep hijacking it :/

[wind shell]

is it normal to be rapid switching (like at the very least 5 switches in 5 minutes, mostly the same 3 alters) multiple times a day? /genq
i can’t tell what the problem is but this keeps happening with no apparent trigger and it’s becoming really annoying. /lh

[wind shell]

Try to get a gatekeeper to keep front and minimize the things that could front trigger the littles.

a mess {they/ask} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) actual question with advice wanted - how do we keep littles out of front? they keep hijacking it :/

Is it possible to get like uh new appearance? Meaning I’m an introj and I’m trying to get away from my source and source separate but in headspace I look very much like my source, how do you like. alter your appearance? is that even possible. Advice wanted /gen

[acoustic fjord]

what do you mean?

[digital abyss]

Fusion

Unbeknownced fusion can cause a diff look

happened w an old ex host recently

someone we didnt know until after the fusion

[wind shell]

Owe yeah our therapist told us fusion can definitely in many cases cause look changes

One thing we do is we always have our littles front with a adult and they must listen to the adult and let the adult front while the littles co front but only do stuff when its safe

[🌑] Damion - He/Him [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Try to get a gatekeeper to keep front and minimize the things that could front trigger the littles. 📎

[midnight drift]

Unfortunately not advice here as our appearances internally seem to be constantly changing ever so slightly - just really slowly

Best I've seen is my grumpy protector showing up in PJ's with a cup of coffee - we don't have a house or a kitchen internally??

[wind shell]

how exactly do i “get a gatekeeper”? /lh
we have alters who function similarly already, 2 definitely have the ability to control who fronts when, adults are with the children in front constantly and we can’t minimise most known triggers because of multiple reasons. /lh

[🌑] Damion - He/Him [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Try to get a gatekeeper to keep front and minimize the things that could front trigger the littles. 📎

feel kinda stuck…

the children are really strong at pushing through to get to front.

(don’t like the term littles, so i use children for us. /info)

it’s not a safety issue, the adults can stop the children from saying too much or doing anything that would make it a safety issue. it’s literally just that they are almost always hanging around front and as soon as anything they like (which includes crime dramas, socialising, kids shows and cleaning) appears they are stuck there.

i’m ranting now, i apologise. it’s just quite annoying.

[hybrid skiff]

How you get a gatekeeper is up to you, every system runs differently and has different ways. 🤷‍♂️ Unfortunately most of it is figuring it out for yourself. Whoever is in front with the children should have the responsibility of trying to keep grounded in front. Once againe its up to you how to do that since everyone is different

[hybrid skiff]

Unfortunately you can’t stop them from liking something/getting front triggered by their interests, however you can do your best to try to keep grounded to keep them out of front.

We used to work at a daycare and we had to keep them out of front constantly

[digital abyss]

Therapy !

Thats how. Your therapist can help u w grounding and control

[hybrid skiff]

Mhm

[digital abyss]

as well as let ur child parts have a safe space to front to help w trauma work

our new therapist has a play room we'll use for ours

[wind shell]

our littles perked up when they heard that and they were like “blake can we?-“ and I was like “no we have our own therapy🤦‍♂️” 😂 they are jeaaalous lmao

however our therapist is good with our kiddos, and has met them too funniley enough

@s off｜TOOTHVOiD — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) our new therapist has a play room we'll use for ours

[wind shell]

we’re trying to bring up being a system to our therapist but it’s really hard because those who can control front more don’t want us to talk to her about it because they don’t know if we can trust her. it’s hard to talk about this in text form, without them taking over or just making it harder to do things, so talking to our therapist verbally is extremely difficult. we’ve tried introducing the subject slowly (e.g. dissociation, baaad memory, no memory of certain periods of time) and she’s been receptive so far but it’s hard to say anything further.

we can’t just say it.

[somber summit]

I've done the same with my Psychiatrist (mentioning memory blackouts, inconsistencies in behaviors, dpdr, etc.), though he's never been really receptive. I've resorted to probably getting an appointment with a Neuropsychologist or a trauma/IFS therapist to get a DID diagnosis. Sorry, I know this is random, I'm pretty sure this server has not clue about us being a system 😓 Though, something I'd recommend from experience, doctors tend to hate it when you directly mention you may have DID because they see it as "you playing the doctor". It's annoying, but acting oblivious is literally the only way theyll be receptive from experience./info/nav

Even though we have a current UDD diagnosis, they haven’t been very open to changing it to DID 😕

Sadly, for most systems it takes about 7+ years in the medical system to get diagnosed with a dissociative disorder. It's been around 3 years for me.

[digital abyss]

"blake can we?" come to my state then >:( !!

[digital abyss]

Makes sense

We have a new therapist that specializes in DID

I think what i meant was unfortunatly every system is different so helping control fronts will be from professional help me thinks

[digital abyss]

I know </3 I'm not professionally diagnosed and Im not safe to until I'm fully moved out as well, so I understand lols

[digital abyss]

Acting oblivious is how I had to get my TS diagnosis. Unfortunatly, sometimes you gotta play the game, esp w US healthcare

[somber summit]

Yep, exactly 😔 As a psych student going into the psychology field, it's a challenge not to blurt out every piece of knowledge you have on a condition. But, once I get into the field as a professional, we're hoping to change and influence this issue in the US mental healthcare system 😮‍💨 I hate that knowing some about a condition automatically makes them think you're faking or "playing doctor"/nav

[digital abyss]

If I do ever get diagnosed, I'll have to go through my therapist(s) who first hand can account for it. It took a wbile to be able to be like "yo do i actually have this" and them being like "man i just watched your entire demeanor change with a blackout amnesia gap" 😭🙏

[digital abyss]

real shit

I struggled w imposter syndrome for a long time and do ocassionally but thru personal work and therapy i think its hard to think im not 😭🙏... esp finding musef in places ive never been

[somber summit]

Yeah, I still don't fully understand how our Psychiatrist genuinely watched us literally switch in person due to a persecutor-protector not liking a subject he was bringing up and watched me sob about how I wish I was a whole person without memory gaps and still claims we're faking and "It's just UDD"? The mental gymnastics truely confuse me sometimes. I even had one Psychiatrist say "I had to experience symptoms for 20 years before diagnosis because it was in the criteria" (it's not) and one even gave me a packet on the "TikTok DID trend causing people to think they have DID" (I've never had the TikTok app). It's insane the lack of understanding professionals have on Dissociative conditions./nav

apologies, idk if I turned off @s on that one/gen

[somber summit]

THIS!!!

[digital abyss]

The first thing my psychiatrist told me when I said I had "weird twitches" was if I had TikTok. I at that point wasn't allowed to have most apps on my phone 😭🙏

[digital abyss]

You did dw !

[wind shell]

i think we’re having another reshuffle of roles and existences and that’s why we’re such a mess right now :/

[wind shell]

Felt, we’re having a lot of problems and confusion rn with, life stress, possible splits, and even our host not fronting as much as normal.

[hybrid skiff]

Im trying brooo😫

[midnight drift]

Tw mild reference to restrictive ED

||For us, most of the time when someone in headspace talks to whoever is fronting it's far more vibes based than actual words - so when it is actual words it takes me by surprise. I found the following interaction funny:

Nin: (gets us McDonald's)
Me: [switches in] "Oh, thanks Nin"
Me: [long pause]
Friend: "you ok?"
Me: "Did Nin get us McDonald's because she knew I wouldn't want to eat?"
Nin (internally):

"Yes." ||

[pulsar wren]

Late but oh my lord, yes. People and doctors love to do that. I’ve not had any therapist do this with DID cause our former therapist didn’t know what DID was, they just thought we were weird but I’ve had it with so many other conditions ( chronic pain, autism, etc ). Heck I’ve had it with brain damage, I’ve had people get really surprised and tell me that it’s not possible and pull out bogus reasons when I tell them I most likely have brain damage

( it’s cause people have a really weird misunderstanding of the concept and think every person with brain damage has it super severe and can’t function in society )

Now that I say that out loud the misconceptions people have about DID and brain damage are really similar in my experience

[somber summit]

Thank you for sharing! Yeah, it's an annoying and frustrating process

[pulsar wren]

I think it’s honestly a general thing with medical practitioners that if you come in saying you have something then they automatically don’t believe you

[somber summit]

Yeah, from our experience, that has 100% been the case. However, I doubt all are like that. We hope to change it when we enter the psychology career field though.

[wind shell]

I'm continuously doing/wearing things that my comfort OC would and I feel very much like Icarus flying too close to the sun. Tune in next week to see if I get a new introject yet :')

[somber summit]

Yeahhhh, that's definitely a high possibility, similar happened to us 😭

[green lava]

its crazy because it really should be considered. medical professionals SHOULD consider the fact that someone believes they have something and take them seriously and test for it until actually proven wrong (not with some ignorant, stereotypical reasonings. i mean actual factual proof that its NOT that condition). unfortunately MANY if not most medical professionals are uneducated, and its crazy going into an appointment and knowing MORE about the doctor who is supposed to educate YOU…my psychiatrist, whom i only saw twice, said he didnt believe i had CPTSD even though i said i had traumatic life experiences, and said he didnt believe i was autistic because, quote “i have friends, and i can hang out with them.” its absurd. i will add that my therapist whom ive been seeing for 4+ years told me i have CPTSD and am autistic, and this “psychiatrist” still didnt buy it

i wont be able to get an actual on paper diagnosis of these things, including DID, until i find a psychologist to properly assess me as my trauma therapist doesnt “on paper diagnose” he can only medically recognize me. unfortunately, the costs of getting a full assessment for these things is in the thousands of dollars, and there is NO COVERAGE out there unless you have a really good paying full time job, which most people with these conditions cant work due to being disabled by them when in work environments (not all obviously) but i am one of them, and there is no coverage on social assistance either which i have. it will definitely be a while until i am able to get that done :/

and then you go through that fear of finding a psychologist and them being ignorant and uneducated

[digital abyss]

I remember the news abt the autism diagnosis we were in call DYING 😭😭😭

[green lava]

YEAH

i just left the appointment and was still outside and messaged yall like “GUYS….you will NOT believe wtf this psychiatrist just told me with a straight serious face 🙁”

my flabbers were gasted

[weak basin]

GG @green lava, you just advanced to level 6!

[green lava]

i stared at him like “be so fr rn”

[digital abyss]

it was so bad bro m

[green lava]

and then i corrected him and said i was just gonna go get an actual assessment and listen to those who are more educated and he said “well erm actually i know more as a psychiatrist then psychologists or therapists and have the proper info 🤓☝️” i was like. ok buddy

[digital abyss]

my nuerologist said i dont have autism bc i have empathy and refferred me to an empath group 😭

[green lava]

YEAH

bros mind is gonna be blown when he realizes you can be an empath and still be autistic and being an empath has nothing to do with autism

some autistic ppl are more empathic but some are less

like

thats not an end all be all

[wind shell]

That just reminded me of the "psychiatrist" that I went to tonget assessed for autism and I wrote down symptoms we experience based on the criteria and more we thought could be related and took one look at the paper and said and I quote "You can't be autistic. You seem to be able to communicate perfectly to me. If you were able to write all of this down then you're not autistic."

[wind shell]

That is messed up. Its such a pain that people do stuff like that

[wind shell]

we brought up to our first therapist after seeing her for a good few months that we think we have ADHD and she just said “no.” with no reasoning or anything.

first session with the second (and current) therapist, she asks “do you have ADHD?” and it’s just funny to me. when we bring something up to our current therapist she asks why we think that, which seems so obvious compared to just saying no immediately.

Sounds like your current therapist is much better

the first therapist also tried.. essentially exposure therapy for sensory issues like how we always wear socks to stop feeling the carpets and using our headphones to block out noise. our current therapist uses exposure therapy to treat the OCD, so that’s a lot better. /lh

Yeah

Happy for you

[wind shell]

We belive it's can be good to have opposite gender therapists for clients but at the same time it's so beneficial for many to have the same gender therapists because that helps lots get proper help and diagnosises for many of those therapists understand for example adhd is most the time in the brain and not out in the open hyperness for females as we learned from our host having a hyper brain and less of hyper actions outside it

a mess {they/ask} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) we brought up to our first therapist after seeing her for a good few months that we think we have AD…

what does that have to do with what we said? /genq /nm

both therapists we’ve had are female, one completely disagreed with us having ADHD while the other asked. i don’t think the gender of the therapist really matters in this case.. /lh

seriously not been rude, just confused.

Lukas Bondivick Norway 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) We belive it's can be good to have opposite gender therapists for clients but at the same time it's … 📎

[wind shell]

We were just saying how it can potentially help them understand clients better in our opinion. Thought we were contributing to the conversation sorry

a mess {they/ask} 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) what does that have to do with what we said? /genq /nm

both therapists we’ve had are female, one c… 📎

no no, it’s ok, we were just confused why gender was important when two people of the same gender had completely opposite views. /nm /gen

you don’t have anything to apologise for to us. /gen

i don’t have enough opinions on that specific point to add anything to it. /lh /nm

It's ok. Were thinking of it as a studies are done on Male brains more then woman so maybe same gender can help some better but hey it's just a thought

[green lava]

oh my GOD.
the stereotypes are crazy. i just cant believe that there are “doctors” out there who believe this shit

[hybrid skiff]

In my opinion I think its more beneficial to have the same gender as you as a therapist because they can understand your point of view better. Not relating to the DID stuff, just in general.

[wind shell]

I think it depends client to client.

V!rus [He/They] [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) In my opinion I think its more beneficial to have the same gender as you as a therapist because they…

[hybrid skiff]

100%!!!

Its definitely individualized! Thats why its good that you can usually pick who you are seeing! ^_^

[wind shell]

I have noticed that with lots of conditions of ours our host identity just got very lucky with their therapist Sam. He really knows his stuff and is very getnal and supportive

V!rus [He/They] [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) In my opinion I think its more beneficial to have the same gender as you as a therapist because they…

Exactly

V!rus [He/They] [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Its definitely individualized! Thats why its good that you can usually pick who you are seeing! ^_^

[wind shell]

do you name subsystems

dumb question maybe

it’s just like. ‘cause i don’t wanna name it because that takes effort but also for organisation sake it’s probably better

actually nevermind i don’t want an answer you can give one but i ain’t reading it /nm /info

[hybrid skiff]

Wh why did you ask in the first place then

[wind shell]

because i wanted to know and now i don’t need an answer because i figured it out

and you can still give one and have a conversation because i don’t need an answer anymore

[tight flax]

Our subsystem is just named kai subsys cause kai is the guy who split

[wind shell]

Considering renaming the subsys I’m in to some kind of gender related thing cause all of us are the most gender fuckery people in the sys istg

[wind shell]

May I ask what a subsystem is again? Sorry, I haven't learned much about them myself.

[wind shell]

When alter has alters

🌙 Sirius ⟣ they/it — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) May I ask what a subsystem is again? Sorry, I haven't learned much about them myself.

[azure egret]

I think there were a couple systems talking in here about being a family system and I want to try that too. we all already feel sort of like a family, so idk if we have to do anything or if it's just like a sort of label thing. but it sounds really nice
-Xander

[wind shell]

We are one who is in a family system. These systems to us consist of alters who's bond is so unbreakable that you do anything to stay together forever. It takes work but it's worth it because the love care, laughs help and things you do together make it all worth it. Part of our system family motto is never say goodbye

@azure egret

Lex (pls @ ty :) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I think there were a couple systems talking in here about being a family system and I want to try th…

Oh!! Okay cool we got one of those then

💫 . Jazmine ╱ they⸝⸝ 🌷 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) When alter has alters 📎

Tyty

In our case subsystems can be interesting. Were slowly learning were the one in our system with that and we want to one day see if our system and the main system can get to know each other

[somber summit]

We have had a few alters who have alters, but rarely never more than 1 who is more like a facet than an entire full alter. They pretty often fuse back into 1 alter eventually though. They can definitely be a bit aggravating. We currently have 1 alter who has 1 other alter, but that's it.

[wind shell]

I know about 7 of my alters but feel like I am missing 5 if that makes sense

[somber summit]

Maybe? I possibly know what you mean. Sometimes during a split, I feel like 2 people at once without being sepearate alters. It's kinda an "off" feeling. Very uncomfortable. Or, I can feel certain presences of alters without knowing who exactly it there, sort of like thought bleeding or passive influence or just a feeling of "I'm not alone-". When I didn't know about some alters I also found things around that didn't match the index of any alters I knew. Or I had memory gaps where I didn't recognize the fronter. Other than that, I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about

[wind shell]

That is kinda like us were like wait we don't recognize you guys who are you. I met 7 of the alters they just havent reviled their names or if they have roles yet. I know many are adults some woman and some men in their 20's but I feel like their are 5 alters in the shadows yet to reviel themselves because I feel their presence but they have not came forth yet

Daeja☆ (@ reply ping!) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Maybe? I possibly know what you mean. Sometimes during a split, I feel like 2 people at once without…

[somber summit]

Hm interesting

[wind shell]

Our host identity therapist said one day when he and our host feel ready and talk to each alter in the main system maybe we can work on introducing the alters in the subsystem to the main one while not pushing the subsystems 5 alters in the shadows. But we have so much work to do before we will even get close to this but its a big goal one day

[somber summit]

That makes sense

[pulsar wren]

Our system’s a family in a little bit of a weird way, I’d actually need to draw a diagram to explain it fully honestly

Said diagram because I have one

I hope it makes sense

The way it occurred was mostly coincidence, relations built over time and the such

Most of these are in a metaphorical sense.
It seems to me from you’ve said you’ve already built the relationship needed to form a familial structure within your system, really you can do it however you like, there’s not really a set formula. For us, we divide it into an actual family tree, I believe for Lukas and their system it’s more of a values/relationship thing. Family means different things to different people so systems who are families will function differently from each other

[weak basin]

GG @ember vessel, you just advanced to level 56!

[wind shell]

we have a couple siblings but not anything more.. family.. than that.

rude mee6.

[wind shell]

Anyone else hate that the fakeclaimers always say “you can’t have x character because the game/show wasn’t around in your childhood”

I’m sorry. Even if you couldn’t split later in life, most of the people they are fakeclaiming are Gen Z. And especially the younger Gen Z will have grown up with minecraft, fnaf etc. as games from their childhood.

[pulsar wren]

Do they not realise you can split later in life?

I shouldn’t be surprised, fakeclaimers are extremely uneducated

[midnight drift]

A lot of people believe that

For anyone reading who isn't aware:

Once your brain has learned how to split as a coping mechanism, it will continue to do so under stress.

This is what people mean when they say DID/varients are permanent disorders - you can fuse the entire system into one identity but still have the possibility of splitting again

[pulsar wren]

I get that, I just don’t see why anyone would think that

[midnight drift]

I'm not certain. My best guess is because it's a disorder that stems from childhood trauma they assume you split in childhood and then that's it

[pulsar wren]

I guess so, if that was the case then you wouldn’t really split that many alters, the highest recorded alter count would probably be much lower

[midnight drift]

According to research you don't even have particularly solid alters by that point - they start solidify in your early teens and alters are seen as most distinct towards late teens/early 20s

Of course every system is different but this is the rough structure most will follow given the developmental disruption

[civic iron]

And developmentally this makes sense as this is about when most people without splits start developing a solid personality anyway

[midnight drift]

The personality starts to solidify somewhere after the age of 6 and it strong enough by around 9 that it cannot be split into alters beyond this point (if this has not already happened)

But yes your identity generally will start to become more solid around 11-15 in typical development. So this is roughly the time alters start to become more distinct in their identities too

[pulsar wren]

Ours were a lot more developed earlier on from what I’ve discovered. I think it might be an environment thing though, from my observations of children the ones in our area tend to have a solid personality and idea of themselves closer to around 6-8 than teen years

I’m not sure what makes the difference though

[midnight drift]

[I did have more to say but I'm very dissociated so I'm having a hard time keeping a train of thought]

[civic iron]

Yesyes! Children are very much still learning who they are (as someone who works with children up to 5 years old, none of them have really anything solid about their personalities, their most prominent qualities change week to week)

[midnight drift]

Environment does play a big factor into it and there's not enough research done in various countries

What I said isn't to say that distinctive alters can't exist before that point - but it's less common and they're more likely to be a lot more blended with the rest of the system. The splits (and thereby the alters themselves) become more concrete a little later - but they may well have had their own personality/identity to some degree before this

Also this is regarding alters in a clinically average DID system

This doesn't account for fragments, coded alters, introjects, partial splits, different system types ect

[pulsar wren]

That’s really interesting, we used to unofficially work with children around the same age but their prominent qualities tended to stay consistent
( by unofficially I mean I’m not licensed to work with children nor old enough to work so on paper it was more of a volunteer opportunity )

[civic iron]

That is so interesting! I tend to think of it as a fun little quirk of working with kids this age, the preschoolers (3-5) tend to be a little more solid, but the toddlers definitely not

[pulsar wren]

Makes sense

[wind shell]

A rough (dissociated) explanation:

Children have very neutral states of being. Hungry, tired, in pain, need love ect. Once they start to get older they develop a personality, but these parts can stay somewhat separate (but are internally consistent)

Ever wonder how a toddler can snap from happy and fine to screaming and crying in an instant? That's this!

When a child experiences trauma and dissociates to cope with it, these different states are what eventually become alters as they are then separated by amnesia

[paper crater]

What I’ve noticed working with kids is they seem to be pretty solid in an identity, but it can fluctuate quickly if something happens, say they don’t get food when they want it

This is kids 3-7 ish I think

[civic iron]

Thats exactly how our preschoolers are

[pulsar wren]

We definitely see the fluctuating thing with the really young ones but after about 5 if I’m remembering correctly they ended up a lot more grounded as people in my experience

[paper crater]

Yeah, I mean I focus more on the younger ones because they obviously need a bit more help with things 😅

[pulsar wren]

Around that age is also when they start being able to hold a solid argument with their peers ( our kiddos argued a lot so that became a milestone in our brain )

[pulsar wren]

True

[paper crater]

Haha

Yeah

[wind shell]

Ping our base account if any info is needed, we adore talking psych science!

But for now we're going to dip as Alex wants iPad kid time/lh/t

[paper crater]

Alrighty

[pulsar wren]

Cool

[wind shell]

Side note anyone know how to stop their system mates talking shit about them I'm not an iPad kid I just wanna play games after doing chores all day 😭/lh

[pulsar wren]

If I knew I would be so powerful

[paper crater]

But yeah, I sometimes feel a bit jealous looking at these kids being able to develop a consistent identity because I know that (likely) didn’t happen for me.

(I say likely as I’m suspecting we are a system but I’m not diagnosed or anything yet)

[paper crater]

That is so fair. Go reward yourself 🙂

[wind shell]

Uh be firm? I think I just get respect from being the primary protector, they're kinda scared of me but not like in a genuine fear way just they show me respect always idk

Alex | He/They | Host | 19 | ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Side note anyone know how to stop their system mates talking shit about them I'm not an iPad kid I j…

[azure egret]

I think we're already kind of like that, then. Our main system feels like a group of foster kids that "grew up together" so besides blood relation we're siblings. (Well, except the twins but that's self explanatory circumstance). Sandy has her partner, Simon, so he's more or less part of the family. The one we've dubbed "Clear" unless told otherwise does not come out enough for me or any of us really to say what they're (she?) about, but that's another puzzle to piece together. We kinnnda think Tyler has a subsystem?? not entirely sure but yeah. Ty for explaining what a family system is & sorry for dumping a lot of stuff you didn't ask about onto you I verbally processed on you 😅

[wind shell]

Yeah in our system i have my husband Denmark, my little brother Iceland, Sweden has Finland, Sweden treats Lukas our host like his little sister, Sealand and ladonia are both Sweden and Finlands 13 your old sons and all 3 little girls are sisters plus Astrid is the little girls best friends and all 3 little girls call our host identity mama

Lex (pls @ ty :) ↩️

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[azure egret]

reading this made me smile so hard, your family sounds lovely 🥹 thank you for telling us about you all 💕

-# you don't have to read on from here if you don't want to ♡
We've got Alex, he's the oldest, then the twins Sandy and Lexi, Sandy💟Simon, then Lex, next is Tyler (and their possible subsystem?). Me and Lily are the youngest, (there might be another?? it's hard to tell if/when they're here)
Clear is a mystery, I almost want to say they're like glass or resin? I really don't know ¯_(ツ)_/¯
all I can say is when we really sing without having to try we feel flashes of orange, violins, and the name Maria I don't even know what to make of that but wanted to include
& I think that's everyone! sorry for yapping I talk a lot when I get excited -Xander 💚💚💚

[wind shell]

Your stuff made me smile to and aww you also have a Sandy

Lex (pls @ ty :) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) reading this made me smile so hard, your family sounds lovely 🥹 thank you for telling us about you …

Interesting thing about Sealand and Ladonia is those brothers were apparently in the system since our host was five but got lost in head space and were recently found dirty hiding in a bush near the house. I swear you when I say their father's got on their knees with open arms told them it's ok and when the boys saw it was their father Finland and papa bear Sweden they ran screaming PAPA FATHER and all 4 of then cried tears of joy saying we will never lose each other ever again. Its kinda still a system mystery we want to solve one day on how those poor boys got lost

@azure egret

Lex (pls @ ty :) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) reading this made me smile so hard, your family sounds lovely 🥹 thank you for telling us about you …

[azure egret]

the long awaited reunion you didn't know was coming I hope you all solve the mystery one day, but even if you don't they're all together again 🥹

[wind shell]

And then there's us 💀
Over 300 people who don't even like each other

[somber summit]

According to the theory of structural dissociation, it's around 12 years old/info

[paper crater]

Different studies say different things
Generally it’s accepted that it’s 6-10 ish, but there are studies that say older or younger.
It depends on which study, if the study involves people with neurodivergencies etc.

[wind shell]

off topic - do other systems have different ways they like to study between alters? i assume so but we never thought about it until today where we've switched how we're doing work 5 times with the different alters in front.

[midnight drift]

Yes but for me moreso different parts are better at studying than others

[somber summit]

School has become extremely hard for use due to this. Honestly one of our main motivatons to integrate. Best recommendations I can give is assigning a subject to each alter, and they will front for that subject and do all the work for it so memories don't become such an issue. The more tedious option is keeping a journal or log of information learned and what work has already been done and which alter did it. That one is hard to keep up with, but it definitely would help a ton.

[wind shell]

we don't want advice, we were just wondering if anybody else experienced it. should've said that, apologies.

Daeja☆ (@ reply ping!) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) School has become extremely hard for use due to this. Honestly one of our main motivatons to integra…

[somber summit]

Apologies on our part!/gen
But yes. We 100% experience that

[wind shell]

you're fine. we noticed some prefer music and some prefer pomodoro, some prefer lofi over music with lyrics.

never noticed it before because we're usually a lot more stable in front. /nav

[wind shell]

Wait am I losing my mind or is it possible to like see someone's name or the name of something and then an alter forms from that. Like not from just seeing the name, it's like they're already there and then we see the name and feel the emotions from major traumas come back and then we just have an alter with that name. idek how to explain

[green lava]

thats exactly how it was for us
early childhood and all through our teenage years before we even knew about our system was mostly built up of a ton of fragments with no real fully formed personality. they would hold onto trauma, emotions, and some specific interests, but they didnt go any futher than that. once we were 19 and finally in our first safe environment and out of our ||abusive household,|| alters started to actually develop more and become more distinct which is what made us realize we were a system

[green lava]

thats happened to us
weve heard or seen names or things or just a name in general and sometimes have random names pop into our head and find out an alter actually exists with that name

we also have it happen sometimes where an alters name will pop into our head and then end up fronting, like its a way we can tell they are around

[green lava]

i will add on; the only alters we really knew were more distinct back then were the current hosts. we changed names irl so many times and looking back its the one thing i can notice that shows some of the different alters. other than that though its very hard to tell what alters existed during that time unless they show up themselves and say it

its extremely hard going through our past due to the blackout amnesia, and we dont delve into this anymore w/o our therapist as it can trigger trauma obviously

[wind shell]

Same i fear. We went through so many names our teacher couldnt keep up in 2022

» SOLAR !! — ☀ ↩️

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[wind shell]

Understandable, I was (and will be again) a preschool teacher and in my opinion seeing them so happy and not a single care makes me happy that they don’t have to suffer with this. I want to be someone who can lead these childern in the right direction and help them in times where its not so good or things are tough at home or maybe a child is undiagnosed with something and they need some extra help.

In a sense I’m personally like “I’m glad you didn’t have to go through this” or I least I hope they don’t have to go through this.

I know they will never remember when they grow up but the impact we make as teachers stay with those kiddos forever. And thats why I do what I do. To make sure their childhood will be a good one and off to a good start.

Jas🪽🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) But yeah, I sometimes feel a bit jealous looking at these kids being able to develop a consistent id…

Shoutout to the period of time I went by “Game” and I have no fucking recollection of it

🗡 Gail ⟣ they/them — ?¿ ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Same i fear. We went through so many names our teacher couldnt keep up in 2022 📎

[pulsar wren]

I genuinely don’t relate to this due to the type of kids I worked with and idk if that’s just plain sad or what

I wouldn’t be surprised if a system or two came out of that group of kids

[wind shell]

We went to Belize on a missions trip with our class recently and let's just say it's bad. Some of those kids have seen worse than we've seen our whole life in just 3 years of their life and tbh I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have developed the disorder

ArsonCrows [☀🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I wouldn’t be surprised if a system or two came out of that group of kids

[pulsar wren]

You’re a missionary???

[wind shell]

A what?

[pulsar wren]

Does missions trip mean something else in this context?

[wind shell]

Idk I go to a Christian School and the grade 9's go to Belize every year and we make aqauponics systems ans donate stuff

[pulsar wren]

Oh, so you are

[wind shell]

I guess lol

ArsonCrows [☀🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Oh, so you are

[wind shell]

I’m getting so much euphoria from the new pfp

it’s so unexpected

[hybrid skiff]

Thats okay I understand! Its not for everyone and I’ve definitely had my fair share of horrrrible kids 😭😭 but yeah thats completely valid

[pulsar wren]

the kids themselves were wonderful

their gardians made me wanna punch a wall

[hybrid skiff]

Ohh completely understandable, parents can be fucking nightmare 😭

[paper crater]

Love how I got posted to syscringe not long after posting this /sarc

[hybrid skiff]

the subreddit?

[paper crater]

Yep

My TikTok, not the post here

[hybrid skiff]

ahh gotcha

[paper crater]

“Go make ocs instead of faking a disorder”
Yeah. I spend hours unable to do shit because I’m so dissociated. That’s definitely not a disorder.

[wind shell]

I feel this people say stuff like that two me and my other 4 nordic system mates. Their like fictives those are made up. Were like yeah ok and proof they aren't and the person still yaps like they know DID or OSDD 1A -1B or are a therapist or truama specialist for adults and kids 🙄 people just love to always think they know everything

Jas🪽🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) “Go make ocs instead of faking a disorder”
Yeah. I spend hours unable to do shit because I’m so diss…

[paper crater]

Oh yeah. The fakeclaimers know shit all about DID/OSDD

[wind shell]

Exactly we explained how our therapist has seen people try to fake DID/OSDD and even he said the people who fake it are obvious which is why faking this stuff is nearly impossible if you know where to look

[paper crater]

Yeah

[somber summit]

I hate imposter syndrome 😔

Like- what if I don't have DID or UDD and I'm actually just making it up

[azure egret]

Feeling this hard rn, we go back and forth between thinking we're convincing ourselves we're a system or thinking that we're convincing ourselves that we're crazy
(lmk if I should censor anything)
-Tyler

[somber summit]

You're alright! But yeah, same here. It's a constant pendulum. Right now I just feel crazy. Just that gut feeling "what if I'm faking"

[tight flax]

Question for Pk users how do you make it so people can't look at your alters descriptions without you sending it first

[limpid siren]

pk;m name private all

That should have it so if people ? react it then it should just say this member is private. You can still do pk;m to show the profile but you have to trigger it

[tight flax]

Tgabj