DID/OSDD-1 System Chat

[wind shell]

hi

[hollow orchid]

testing _Blur

Oops wrong proxy

testing -Blur

Nope :')

[wind shell]

it’s working for us

interesting

you havin strugle. Sorry if accent hard to unstand. I speak Tohoku with my Swedish acent, oftn translated as grunts and truncated words.

[hollow orchid]

It's all good! I'm going to check this out

[wind shell]

Testingg

Now it works

woo

And yes, very blurry rn :')

You got it. Nice. Alo feel tat can be blurry to lots

oo fun!

Hi how ya doin. Me play wif me pup

[hollow orchid]

I'm breathing, how about you?

[wind shell]

ok playin wif pup and miss husband. He on gov work trip

I understand that

Wanna see pup she cute

Sure!

Got bakround edit for ths one but me traine my and my husband's pup to hanstan and they were a pirate dog for Halloween in 2013 wif me. It best pic

Oooo

me secretly great dog trainer

[wind shell]

are proxies working again?

what ya mean

[weak basin]

GG @karmic birch, you just advanced to level 10!

[wind shell]

i was testing to see if the bot was working again

yup it workin

thank you Berwald Oxenstierna Sweden

Thnk you. You can call me Sweden, Sve or Sucielia

[wind shell]

thank you Sweden

You are wlcom

[tight flax]

I saw a tiktok of someone with accomadations at college for DID because of because of severe memory loss

They also had things on how they help themselves

[wind shell]

we're not professionally diagnosed so we can't get accomadations for it unfortunately however we have auditory processing issues due to being autistic so the accomadations for that work well for the DID as well

[heady hornet]

Is it good if our psychologist refers us to a psychiatrist? Does that mean we're closer to diagnoses? 😭

[wind shell]

The one you got sent to is for people interested in pursuing pshyciatric medication

[heady hornet]

We agreed to no ||medication|| right now so I don't think so

[peak sierra]

Definitely be wary of that psychologist if you are trying to get a DID/OSDD diagnosis

If you have other questions like a mood or personality disorder than I would say the psychiatrist would help with that.

Just try and see if the psychologist downplays your dissociative disorder symptoms. But if they just want to check for other disorders as well then that should be fine.

[heady hornet]

He seems to accept it ^^

(The psychology)

Haven't met the psychiatrist

[heady hornet]

The psychologist actually made us do a dissociative something test don't remember the name but the questions were familiar and I realised it was the DID criteria so there's that. I think he believes and he's even met some of the alters and talked to them about me so I think he does and don't know about the psychiatrist part. Only know our mom said that he was referring us but he hasn't said that to us yet so we'll wait and see

[mortal cairn]

⚠️TW: ||TBMC (, trauma based mind control)|| ||how do we resist programs? It makes it incredibly difficult to just have an opinion when we've been believing what we were programmed to||

[heady hornet]

Is that like a vent? /genq /nm
(Just asking because not sure if this is where it belongs but not sure)

[mortal cairn]

No, it's a question /gen

[heady hornet]

Okay ^^

[plush hollow]

TW: RAMCOA ||It's....really hard. It's best to work with a knowledgeable therapist rather than alone because starting to fight programming can be dangerous.

Our first step was (safe and slow) research. We needed to learn about ramcoa, programming, mc, related to our experience, before we could figure out how to fight it. Because they don't tell you the names for things when you're in it. They intentionally create confusion to keep control over you. So the more you learn, the more capable you'll be to resist the programs.

It helps us to have names for the programs. It makes them more easily identified and organized. Some programs have names already and there's programs specific to our system that we put names to.
Make a list of your known programs and what they entail. And if you haven't already, make a list of what alter has which programs. Try to figure out who your inner programmers are as well as alters whose programming is based on "no heal". Because those alters will be programmed to hinder this process. Once you identify them, you'll know who to watch out for. Also try to find the parts who most want to heal and deprogram. Learn about both of these groups in your system. And be prepared to learn a lot about devastating trauma as it comes out.

So now you've done some system organizing and research. Something that is vital before beginning is stabilizing your system. You need to devote time and energy to this and be as stable as possible during the process. Make sure you have access to a crisis home or psych ward if things get dangerous. Build your arsenal of coping techniques and practice them before diving in so you have a handle on them before crisis hits.

Also there's a really good book called **Becoming Yourself - Overcoming Mind Control and Ritual Abuse by Alison Miller. There's also another version of the same book written for therapists. It's the safest book out there for this process without it talking about extremely triggering stuff.

Also lastly making friends with other programmed systems has been a huge part of our process so we recommend finding them around groups like this and tik tok. There's also a ramcoa discord server we are in. We've learned so much from our programmed system friends and gotten so much encouragement and validation from them as well as relating to each other on a level only possible to have with other programmed systems. We are always open to make friends with other programmed systems. Good luck!||

||also this...deprogramming is a process of learning what the lies are, starting to acknowledge that they are lies, and finding out what the truth really is. Programs rely on tricks and illusions, but once you sort out what's real and what isn't, they start to have less power over you. For example we weren't actually abducted by aliens. Most of us know this but a handful of us strongly believe it still due to the tricks and trauma. And we are slowly showing these alters the evidence that proves there was not a real alien abduction. ||

[mortal cairn]

Thank you so much, you have no idea how much this helps! 😭❤️❤️

[tight flax]

What is a programed system /genq

[heady hornet]

You could look it up but major trigger warning if you do so be careful

[peak sierra]

Well wish you the best of luck and hopefully you all will be ok. 😊

[peak sierra]

Usually working with a therapist may help. Do not try to do it alone. It can make things much worse and can make the loops deeper. But hopefully you guys will be ok. We question if we have the same thing because of certain things, but yeah definitely look for therapists that have experience with DID+OSDD systems. I’m so sorry it’s so hard but hey you guys are doing great.

[peak sierra]

Would you mind if we could get the server link and join?

[wind shell]

I'm asking if it's ok for us to invite people. I'll let you know when I get a response

✨Unhinged Undead ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Would you mind if we could get the server link and join?

[peak sierra]

Ok

[wind shell]

Nervous for Monday we get a therapist for the first time in 2 years and we are nervous to revile ourselves to them. Especially with me and a few of us including one little are really shy around new people and stuff. The host husband is still learning about alter stuff so this will be interesting and a bit scarry. First time showing ourselves if we talk about that then

[wind shell]

can I DM you the invite link? I don't want to post it here since there's lots of organic systems and singlets in the server

✨Unhinged Undead ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Ok

Good luck! I really hope your therapist is receptive and willing to learn!

Lukas Bondivick Norway 🍪 ↩️

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[wind shell]

Thank you. We all hope so. We are hoping they are like the hosts first ever therapist where they used to live because it's hard to find someone who understands. My anxiety is kinda high but I'm trying to stay calm by cuddling with my husband because he sensed I was anxious and is always good at calming me down

[peak sierra]

Yes

[wind shell]

Wdym organic system?

Emma Bloom [💫] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) can I DM you the invite link? I don't want to post it here since there's lots of organic systems and… 📎

[tight flax]

Pkay

[peak sierra]

Organic systems are systems only caused by conditioning and as a normal response. Where as some systems, their abuser (tw: ||MC trauma description||) ||creates systems and alters to obey them so they can repetitively abuse and manipulate the human body without any repercussions and have control over that system essentially.||

Whereas organic are incidental and unintentionally by the abuser, and those like ||RAMCOA|| systems are created purposefully by the abuser

[pulsar wren]

I can’t find an actual answer for this one question regarding this and it’s confusing me so do you mind answering this? If you don’t want to you don’t have to and can just ignore me, we’re an organic system btw [just for clarification ] — ||Can organic systems develop alters that are meant to obey the system’s abuser/abusers? That’s kind of what some of us – in my system – were and are for so it confused me a bit when you mentioned it||

( comfort censor btw, I think, if it’s triggering at all then I’m very sorry )

[wind shell]

Me and my host looked up organic DID systems to get answers to what they are and it literly only gave us things about plants. ?

ArsonCrows ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I can’t find an actual answer for this one question regarding this and it’s confusing me so do you m…

[pulsar wren]

Explanation for what organic systems are is in the message I was replying to

[wind shell]

The message was confusing

[pulsar wren]

Mine or the one I was replying to?

[wind shell]

I see. We are Truamagenic. I was trying to understand the others the person said but the message they gave dosen't make since to me

[pulsar wren]

Im confused on where you’re confused

[wind shell]

Well I read their answer and the info was confusing all of it. I just didn't understand what they were trying to say

[midnight drift]

Tw for vague description of abuse
RAMCOA put very simply is ||a system that is intentional. It stands for "Ritual abuse, mind control, organised abuse" - RAMCOA systems are when a child has been intentionally split into separate parts with in-built "programs" that keep the abuse in place.||

The original message was using "organic" to refer to systems that are not RAMCOA

[wind shell]

Owe ok that helps more ty. Its a reserch lthing we like to do when we hear about new stuff

That is why we were learning about it

[midnight drift]

All systems are traumagenic./info

If a (real) system believes they are endogenic it is because they are unaware of the trauma at that time. Spreading the idea that endo systems are possible harms those systems as they do not reach out for help due to believing they have not experienced trauma

It is very common for systems to believe they did not experience trauma or their trauma simply wasn't bad enough because they don't remember it - but this doesn't mean it's true. It is a defence mechanism and their trauma is simply more hidden than others

A person who genuinely has not experienced trauma cannot be a system

[wind shell]

Thanks for clearing things up. We are learning things with the hosts new therapist. Now time for bed good night

[pulsar wren]

Goodnight

[heady hornet]

Does anyone have any tips on accepting yourself as a system? I'm really struggling with the thought of it, and its making me really anxious. Is there anything I can do to feel better about the possibility of being a system?

[heady hornet]

I mean. One never truly does accept it. You can only consider and acknowledge the facts and why you know you are a system. Otherwise even now I personally don't accept it and the truth is you never will, but be strong and keep going and I promise you'll understand what I mean eventually

[wind shell]

Trust me were all learning but we can learn together

R0TT0N ↩️

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[wind shell]

is this weird, so i am an alter(obviously) and i have quite heavy amnesia barriers but what is interesting is that im quite good at organising the system, and since ive been here ive been doing alot of behind the scenes stuff of organising and helping ti organise the headspace, pk accounts, stuff like that, and ive only recently like properly ‘revealed?’ Myself, if that makes sense but is it weird that even tho i have high amnesia barriers i do alot of stuff around like other alters and stuff? Maybe its not because of like idk just wondering

[midnight drift]

Yeah it's pretty likely if you have higher amnesia that you'd be better at organising because you're able to deal with internal stuff without blending into it

[wind shell]

Thanks

[peak sierra]

You can be a manager of the system. Like a gatekeeper, but specifically made for organizing and building things for the system. You just might not have a memory managing role.

[jagged ferry]

Any tips for coming out as a system to a friend?

[weak basin]

GG @jagged ferry, you just advanced to level 10!

[digital abyss]

ask if they know what one is and educate

first good step imo

[tight flax]

Thank you, i had never heard of that role before

[cursive blaze]

My DID friends!!! There is this cute store called Plushie dreadfuls.com and look who I found on it!!

[jagged ferry]

OML I NEED IT /vvpos

[peak sierra]

No problem. It’s commonly known about Gatekeepers having both kinds of ‘powers’ but not really talked about when it’s just one type of power. Unless I am wrong lol. -Storm

[peak sierra]

Yep! We adore it to bits!

[pulsar wren]

I need it, I can’t get it but I need it

[tight flax]

It looks so sofffttttt

[pulsar wren]

There’s also dissociation and DPDR bunnies and a OSDD one is in the works according to the website

[wind shell]

These are awesome. What us the site for them

Nm

[tight flax]

Cool

[wind shell]

We love the DP/DR one ngl

[wind shell]

we prefer this, it’s so cool :3 (but too bright as colored milk-white, to our eyes rip)

Cecilia ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) My DID friends!!! There is this cute store called Plushie dreadfuls.com and look who I found on it!! 📎

[pulsar wren]

Same

[wind shell]

so.. /lh

this isn’t accurate either by the way. there’s more.

[digital abyss]

oh cute /sarc

its been quite uneventful for us

thank god

also the gap w/ chaos was a mistake sorry bro </3

[heavy steppe]

You reminded me to check mine and omg they fronted for long

Littles haven't front much lately but the nordic 5 protectors have been very busy

[digital abyss]

but makes sense

[heavy steppe]

My bad

[digital abyss]

its all good

[hybrid skiff]

You can go back and edit it so it goes to the time he really stopped fronting and then delete the tiny one ^_^ Thats what we do atleast

[digital abyss]

nods we do too but lazy

[hybrid skiff]

Haha valid

[hybrid skiff]

ugh /pos, I love the dreadful plushies sm

[pulsar wren]

Yee, they’re amazing

[wind shell]

today has been calmer. and by calmer i mean crowded front but less switches. which is more normal for us i guess.

ryn | ask prns | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) so.. /lh 📎

[digital abyss]

Thats good /gen

[wind shell]

I'm glad its going better ^^

blurry | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) today has been calmer. and by calmer i mean crowded front but less switches. which is more normal fo… 📎

[wind shell]

Feeling less in front today which feels less crowded

[heady hornet]

Amnesia getting worse since therapy and starting to get back some memories cause alters starting to think it's safe to because therapist there to help process so there's that. Anyone else remember having blackout amnesia at one point that doesn't rn?

[wind shell]

(Slight tw for violence)
Uhm, we remember a time in which we were a child and we had this one alter who was ||violent, and attacked my sister a bunch||. We never met them, but we can’t remember anything from when they were in front. I don’t know what happened..

[wind shell]

We have some and some of it went away with our old therapist because we felt safer but it's come back since we didn't get to go for 2 years and our new therapist has mad me and the other system mates not want to show around them so that is one reason why we're switching

[wind shell]

Guys-

I can't move our legs bodily-

And I have memories of always being able to,

But I can't in headspace so I guess that means I can't when I front??

I'm scared-

the body might be paralysed and that’s why u can’t move the legs

oh wait u can’t move ur legs IW either

that’s a thing we have too alters who can’t move their legs IW can’t move the bodies legs either

Bodily we always can (based on memories) so this is new-

I'm-

[weak basin]

GG @karmic birch, you just advanced to level 11!

[wind shell]

I’d recommend talking to a gatekeeper or someone who’s knowledgeable about the body as to why u can’t move the legs

thanks

MEE6 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) GG @karmic birch, you just advanced to level 11!

LOL

I don't think we have one of those-

jayce 🔥 he/they 🔥 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I’d recommend talking to a gatekeeper or someone who’s knowledgeable about the body as to why u can’…

[wind shell]

well if you find one talk to them they could help a lot

[wind shell]

We don't have anyone to hold that role in our system.

And, to update on that situation-

It's an alter specific thing, it seems.

We've been fine as long as they aren't fronting / co fronting.

Thank you for trying to help, though.

[pulsar wren]

We also don’t have that either. I think the closest alter to a gatekeeper is Prim and only because they can actually mess with front. But our little can also mess with front so prob not a gatekeeper thing
( By ‘mess with front’ I mean they can pull alters in and out of it, no idea how or why but yea )

[wind shell]

I mean, littles can be gatekeepers too, from what we've seen with other systems.

Yes we have one who is a gatekeeper

Had to re check because we haven't seen the girl is a while and are worried

[pulsar wren]

Oh, that’s not why I don’t call either gatekeepers. The reason is that they only use that ability to mess with the rest of us. ( by mess with, I mean in the chaotic manner ). I swear, if I have to spend another week locked out of front, I will find out what Prim likes most and destroy it [not really, I would never, that would cause so many problems ]

[wind shell]

Would hate to be locked out of font that will cause so many problems because we also provide comfort not just protection

[wind shell]

We label gatekeepers as those who have an easier time fronting when necessary than others

[pulsar wren]

The issue I have with it is that i'm host and know the most day to day info (when our appointments are, what assignments we have, etc) at any time so when im locked out we end up missing a lot of those. I really need to start writing that stuff down tbh

[midnight drift]

I think gatekeeper can mean a lot of different things depending on who you ask

For me the gatekeepers have different individual abilities but overall control memory and action.

They have the ability to force fronting, take memories away at will, block me from accessing memories or other alters, stop me from talking/sharing certain information ect

Overall a safety and management thing

[heady hornet]

Same ^^

Sucks to try and talk about trauma when you immediately forget as you open your mouth. Or the time I had flashbacks but they were having none of it and blocked me from seeing what was happening because apparently I'm not ready so yea but they're cool otherwise and Echo's a great gatekeeper and as it says it doesn't get paid enough XD 😭 /nav

[pulsar wren]

I don’t think it gets paid at all? I don’t think that’s how that works???
( Does Echo use it/its? That’s what I’ve picked up on. If I’m wrong then I’m very sorry )

Do y’all get paid for this shit??? If so, how? I would love to cash in on that /lh /j

[heady hornet]

Was a joke lol. That's why he says it's not enough cause it doesn't get paid at all and it uses he/it pronouns

[heady hornet]

If you find out let us know. We tired of this-

[pulsar wren]

Good to know

[pulsar wren]

I will

[pulsar wren]

Watching someone who knows nothing about systems review Moon Knight is so odd. 90% of the stuff they complain about is just system stuff they don’t understand

[heady hornet]

😭

I would be so mad. I avoid watching stuff like that knowing ill probably end up leaving an angry comment which isn't very nice

[wind shell]

another DID system here! Specifically C-DID

[wind shell]

welcome to the server! :) /pos /gen

Sparrow | The Forest Gathering ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) another DID system here! Specifically C-DID

[wind shell]

Welcome

Sparrow | The Forest Gathering ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) another DID system here! Specifically C-DID

[peak sierra]

Same here!

[digital abyss]

And a fellow SD handler !! Hello!! o/

[wintry trellis]

I am a sd handler too!

[digital abyss]

Nods

[wintry trellis]

Sorry

[digital abyss]

its fine

[heady hornet]

Samee but just DID

[wind shell]

Hope you like it here. We are a system working with professionals to find what kind

Sparrow | The Forest Gathering ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) another DID system here! Specifically C-DID

Ment to add though a professional diagnosis on our record is lots of out of pocket money because our insurance doesn't cover any DID or OSDD 1A-1B diagnosis for adults

[weak basin]

GG @lavish viper, you just advanced to level 1!

[lavish viper]

hello!

[pulsar wren]

I find it interesting personally

It’s so fun to watch

[heady hornet]

I have anger issues

I would not have anything good to say

Not to mention being impulsive

[pulsar wren]

Prim’s the same way. In my humble dumbass opinion though, it ain’t worth fighting people over, it gives me a good laugh sometimes

[wind shell]

Well found a clothig item that makes my experiances feel a bit better

[wintry trellis]

Good

[pulsar wren]

That’s great

[wind shell]

Yes hoping everyone gets something like that in our system

[wind shell]

makes sense! We have glasses for someone who wears glasses in our system and it makes him feel more comfortable. And plus we have different clothes that each different person likes (kinda) ((sometimes they cant be picky lol))

[wind shell]

We have a many flanles so some have their own flannles and two share a flannle due to loving blue. One wears glasses plus the host identity does to. We are still chasing what kinda shirts shorts pants belts and jewelry excetra they like as well so we can have some special outfits each one likes as well with the host identitys cloths

[⚔] Blake - He/Doc [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) makes sense! We have glasses for someone who wears glasses in our system and it makes him feel more …

[digital abyss]

Nodders similar here

[wind shell]

Anyone struggling to log into the simply plural app. We had to re-download it because we were getting a glitch where it spam messages us each second and now since re-downloading it we can't log in not even the site will work. We have memory issues and this is stressful because we don't even remember lots of the stuff added 😟

lots of people are having issues according to their discord.

Thanks for letting us know because it almost broke our phone with all the constant notifications

[wind shell]

we’re having issues as well

Me and a friend decided hand writing everything on paper in case we ever have to make a backup account is a good thing and we are using paperclips to document who is fronting and stuff like that. I know right now its ne the host identity and my husband so good thing we remember. We all hate having memory issues

[wind shell]

i wish for the chaos to not chaos and for everything to be calm.

[wind shell]

Same anxiety throughtout the system is threw the roof

[ember vessel]

\ i wanna test not using proxy but i’m kinda scared..

[heady hornet]

Why is that?

[wind shell]

no clue. we don’t know who keeps not wanting to use proxy but they’re probably scared people’ll ask questions or somethin

also can you not ping us. thanks /nm

ׂ ☆˚ ₊ 🎶 ☆ ‧Vincent • OMS 𝜚 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Why is that?

[peak sierra]

Why am I so scared of looking at Simply plural? I don’t understand why I feel fear when I even glance at the app. -Unknown

[wind shell]

When you get ✨another✨ somewhat robotic alter and start questioning your trauma and that alter feels uncomfy with the body like the other robotic alter

Oops, not me.

[heady hornet]

Has happened to us before. We found it was the thought of having this disorder and the true nature of it along with feelings of denial in the mix then just not wanting to accept it or see how many alters there are and overall kinda anxiety around being a system that caused it for us

[heady hornet]

I need some advice. I'm part of an undiagnosed system, and have been keeping it on the down low for fear of judgement. But one of my alters (Alex) is quite aggressive, and my friends are starting to distance themselves. Alex (main protector) recently got in a large fight with one of my friends, and my friend is yet to forgive us. I'm wondering whether I should explain or if I should just leave it. I'm not sure what to do, and I'm quite upset at Alex for his behavior. Has anyone got any advice for us?

[tight flax]

If you feel comfortable try to explain it to your freidnds, though they might see it as an excuse so try to word it carefully

[north chasm]

guys ive set up two new system/alter names on pluralkit but idk how to use on chats when and if my DID decides to switch any help would be great??

[wind shell]

you just chose who is talking and then talk. Ours talk all the time. The person button is who is and can talk. Is that what ya need to know or no

Hard to explain

[heady hornet]

Go to chat. Press button on right bottom corner. See alter list. Click alter that's gonna/is speaking then type and it shows the alter who said it name

[peak sierra]

Guys! Good news! BPD is gonna get diagnosed!!
As well as DID possibly!!

We are on the road to healing!

[ember vessel]

\ woo!

[peak sierra]

🥰🥰

Just happy but sad too

[wind shell]

That is great. We hope one day we can get a diagnoses to because we struggle. Glad you are getting yours

✨Mechanically Unhinged ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Guys! Good news! BPD is gonna get diagnosed!!
As well as DID possibly!!

What are you sad about

✨Mechanically Unhinged ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) 🥰🥰

We have been told it can take 6 or more years to get a diagnoses which is disheartening to all of us even our Littles got sad when we were told by professionals

And were struggling with flashbacks and switches are happening with a crowded front and overwhelmed little Gatekeeper 😖

[peak sierra]

Mostly grieving the time we’ve spent not knowing.

[peak sierra]

Everyone’s journey is different but yeah. Also time goes by fast whether you are working on other things.

[wind shell]

we understand we hate not knowing what type we have to

✨Mechanically Unhinged ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Mostly grieving the time we’ve spent not knowing.

[peak sierra]

Ikr. We have quiet BPD we believe so type 2
But just need that confirmed.

[wind shell]

Hmm didn't know there could be a calm version

[peak sierra]

Yeah. It’s BPD but symptoms are internalized instead of externalized

[wind shell]

Ah we know 2 people with outward symptoms

[peak sierra]

Most people we meet have outward

[heady hornet]

I mean if it makes you feel any better I could possibly get diagnosed with it even at my young age because it's pushing friends away and me being more isolated could be dangerous for so there's that and as for DID diagnosis our therapist seems to believe and made us do a test with the criteria and then asked to record some of our sessions for his supervisor to see so might be on the path to get started trying to get that diagnosis

[wind shell]

Sadly we lost people to our issues especially our

System. People call us ||Pshycopaths be mean to us and never treat us nice again|| and keep in mind this is after they say we can trust them to tell them our issues

[pulsar wren]

Diagnosis is a rough topic for us personally. I don't think we'll be able to get a diagnosis for a while tbh ( we have to actually be in a safe situation first then diagnosis itself takes forever )

[wind shell]

Wish you luck with getting safe one day

ArsonCrows ↩️

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[pulsar wren]

Were getting there, 100%, at minimum in a few months, max like 4 years

( these are rough estimations btw )

[wind shell]

the day literally just started and we’ve already descended into chaos.

[wind shell]

i was out for ages last night and i’ve just realised we have painted nails

[wind shell]

we’re all having this realisation lolll

skye | she/it | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i was out for ages last night and i’ve just realised we have painted nails

[mighty aspen]

I don’t have DID but I’ve been questioning if I have Like amnesia symptoms. Would this be the right place to talk about it? If not I can find another place :D

[wind shell]

i’m not the all knowing person or something but you could make a separate health forum post.

ScootLeScoot (Ping me!) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I don’t have DID but I’ve been questioning if I have Like amnesia symptoms. Would this be the right …

[mighty aspen]

Could do yeah, just wanted to check

[wind shell]

i don’t know what one would be better. /lh

ScootLeScoot (Ping me!) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Could do yeah, just wanted to check

[mighty aspen]

Nor do I

I’ll wait till someone else answers and then go from there or I might just make a new post

[wind shell]

if it was us, and we weren’t a system, we would just make a new post. you might get a lot of responses from systems.

[mighty aspen]

Okie dokie!

[wind shell]

Welp 7 people front. That is a lot to wake up to and it's loud

[coral kite]

Hey everyone, I hope it’s okay that I’m writing in here. I don’t really know a lot about DID and OSDD, but I would like to know more about it. Research on the internet is always very objective and neutral and I haven’t been in contact with anyone with DID/OSDD so far. I was wondering if maybe you would like to tell me a bit about it here. Also, I’m thankful for any “never say …” information, as I don’t want to come across as rude or anything. I don’t want to hurt anyone with what I say, I’m just really uneducated about it, so I want to change that🙈

[weak basin]

GG @coral kite, you just advanced to level 4!

[heady hornet]

Bet I got you

You can also dm with any extra questions

A system is a person who has mutliple identities, also known as alters, that help the body survive.

"System" is a label used to help people with said diagnosis to explain how DID/OSDD and their alters work, to their loved ones or people around them.

Both are illnesses created due to repetitive and immense child-abuse/childhood-trauma under the age of 9. Which is so bad that the brain can no longer normally cope and the process of developing DID/OSDD slowly starts to begin

In other terms: There's child. Child has parts that should go together to make one personality. Trauma happens. Parts no go together. Parts become identities sperested by dissociative barriers to protect said child from the memories

And by child I guess I mean the body

Cause like none of us are the original-

[coral kite]

Thank you so much for your answer!
I hope it’s okay that I’m asking some further questions
What are some things that I have to keep in mind while communicating with someone who has alters (for example things I shouldn’t say)?
How can the alters in a system (not sure if this is phrased correctly) represent? Do the alters have different names/pronouns/…?
Does each alter have their own personality, or are alters like different parts of a personality?

I hope this is phrased okay. If something comes across as rude, please tell me how to phrase it differently/better

[hot rock]

I just recently found out a friend of mine has alters. (Is that how you say it?) I know barley anything about this topic, but I’ve read through some of this channel.

I was just wondering. How is it possible for alters to have different allergies, one needing glasses one don’t ect?

[coral kite]

Wow, that’s possible? That sounds really interesting!

[hot rock]

As said, I have barley knows anything about this 🙂

But I’m open to learn

[wind shell]

yes alters can have diff pronouns/ names etc

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thank you so much for your answer!
I hope it’s okay that I’m asking some further questions
What are …

[hot rock]

Due to it being different parts of a personality?

[wind shell]

yes sorry i should of said that lol

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thank you so much for your answer!
I hope it’s okay that I’m asking some further questions
What are …

[coral kite]

How do I know how to adress the system I am talking with/ which alter I am talking with?

[wind shell]

you ask who you are talking to/ info/ lh

sorry im not a good person at giving info lol

[coral kite]

Okay, yeah, makes sense xD

[wind shell]

np 🙂

[coral kite]

No no, don’t worry

How do I know when the alters switch?

[weak basin]

GG @coral kite, you just advanced to level 5!

[wind shell]

(busy right now but will come and answer all questions we can later. just saying this so we do it-)

[coral kite]

Okay, thanks so so much!

[wind shell]

we have a friend who has DID and we not sure if its the same but i look for like differences in their tone/voice/ how they are acting/ personality etc but its quite difficult to tell if you arent really close to that person

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How do I know when the alters switch?

[coral kite]

Thanks!
May I ask some more questions?

[wind shell]

sure!

[coral kite]

Do alters have different relationships with/ different opinions about the same person? So for example, could one alter be my friend and another one someone who dislikes me?

[wind shell]

yes i think they do anyway

*we

lol i keep on forgetting my pronouns

*we

we have to go to go to dinner but if we remember we will come back and answer some more questions

[coral kite]

I’m not sure if this is a stupid question because I kinda asked it before, but I’m not sure that I understand it 100% yet.
Is a system like many different “people”/alters who share a body and “take turns”?

[wind shell]

we'll answer it later or someone else can/lh

[hot rock]

@coral kite

[wind shell]

Yeah more or less

often times though, you dont really get to chose whos fronting so taking turns doesnt really happen, especially with amneisa barriers

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I’m not sure if this is a stupid question because I kinda asked it before, but I’m not sure that I u…

we have a paragraph somewhere ill send it

This is a message we've sent several times so its kinda copy and paste, but here

❓ - Chaos ◞ he/they — 🎬 ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) we have a paragraph somewhere ill send it

I have Dissociative Identity Disorder, a personality disorder caused by repetitive childhood trauma. When you are a kid, your brain has separate “parts” of personality that become one part at the ages of 6 if I recall correctly. When a kid is subject to childhood trauma sometimes the brain doesn’t get the ability to integrate these “parts together”, and instead, puts up amnesia barriers. The part of you that is sad is seperate from happy until they all become on personality as you grow up. I never got the oppurtunity and was in a constant state of dissociation, in which I have “parts” who hold onto the emotions, trauma, and other things. These parts over the years develop with their own personalities, opinions, experiences, etc. I have amnesia gaps and barriers whenever one of the parts, called alters, is in “front”, aka having current control of the situation and day to day life.

The PluralKit bot is a bot that helps systems, aka those with DID/ OSDD (otherwise specified dissociative disorder) have their own separate “profiles” for each alter. They are fake discord accounts that will copy what the user says and say it with the proxied profile, giving the text of a “bot” talking to you, hence the bot or app tag at the end. They aren’t bots! They are messages proxied from the user and copied and pasted into a fake profile.

Pls lmk if any of that made sense its a wild disability I have

tldr: pluralkit helps DID systems let their personalities, or alters, speak as “themselves” with a fake account rahh

anyways headed back to work toodles

[coral kite]

Ahhhh, okay, that explains it quite well. Thanks!

It’s so cool that tools like the pluralkit exist!

[wind shell]

Feel free to DM us as well if you want, with questions

[hollow orchid]

(base acc is @hollow orchid

[coral kite]

Thanks so much!

[hollow orchid]

Yeah! Of course!

[wind shell]

Ever want to know more were always open

nods, no worries!

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Ahhhh, okay, that explains it quite well. Thanks!

It’s so cool that tools like the pluralkit exist!

Yh my dms are open too it ya want to know more is well

Were all so helphul🙂

[hollow orchid]

:)

[heady hornet]

It's not a personality disorder ^^

[heady hornet]

But yea I see a lot of people offered but all the people that offered including us are open to any dms with questions /gen

(We kinda hyperfixated on the topic- 😭)

[wind shell]

nodders, we wrote that shortly after our therapist informed us on it so it was what she said shrugs

ׂ ☆˚ ₊ 🎶 ☆ ‧Vincent • OMS 𝜚 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) It's not a personality disorder ^^

we have gotten hypergixated on it before to

i think we also kinda had to simplify it down for friends

but its an identity disorder

not personality

shrugs

Yes it is a identity disorder

nods

we still don't know a lot about it im gonna be honest

even with having it

we were told by a therapist we have it

Same were slowly learning and trying our best to learn fa ts from fiction

so our knowledge is what she told us 😭

nods

we had to switch therapists because they were rude and made our host identity cry but our pshycs are helping with this for us

for me it was a "oh its not normal to have blackout memory gaps of yesterday" as a kid and being told by our therapist that

shrugs

its a trauma disorder

sorry if i worded the thingy wrong

Our host identity wrote about how as a kid the only one who knew about their alters was their passed grandpa

nods

our host wrote about being called weird for talking to others in their head

we also used the part language in the paragraph because it makes sense

to us at least

there is no original part but as a systrem with fragments, we call them parts

im fully formed, developed, and my own person

so is others

Kinda does to us. Now we have a new system journal, a system journal for travle and one for happy thoughts

however

theres some "alters" who arent fully formed people and only hold on to singular emotions, feelings, traumas, etc

we call them parts

they arent a full identity

or person

thats what i mean

Owe that makes sense

nodders

its hard to label them as people when they dont have a name, form , face or anything

thats all

not that they arent valid

[heady hornet]

Dissociative*

[wind shell]

they just arent a fully develped alter

yes.... i know....

ׂ ☆˚ ₊ 🎶 ☆ ‧Vincent • OMS 𝜚 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Dissociative*

apologies for the ping

i was correcting myself

can't wait to be home being out alone is messing with our anxiety and taking our spoons

thats so valid

ive been hella snippy recently because im front stuck

so i understand

[heady hornet]

I mean it's a dissociative disorder and doesn't matter what you name the parts cause up to you but they're called fragments

[wind shell]

we have been in and out front with the other 4 male protectors

You are repeating things I have said and known. I didnt ask /lh

ׂ ☆˚ ₊ 🎶 ☆ ‧Vincent • OMS 𝜚 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I mean it's a dissociative disorder and doesn't matter what you name the parts cause up to you but t…

nodders

Mathis Densen Denmark 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) we have been in and out front with the other 4 male protectors

[heady hornet]

I was explaining myself. No need to be rude

I can very much be rude back but I'm choosing not to.

[wind shell]

I- I literally said light hearted huh 😭

im not trying to be

i think you just took it that way /info

[hybrid skiff]

yeah they will tell you whyen they are ready

[wind shell]

rah here we go, pk

sp i mean

nono pk

i get those two mixed up LOL

[heady hornet]

Doesn't make it sound any less snappy or defensive

[wind shell]

Think of an alter as their own person. They all have their own opinions, ideas, knowledge, identity, hopes and dreams, likes and dislikes. That's why a lot of alters look different, have different pronouns, talk different, etc. They are literally different "people" ^^

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thank you so much for your answer!
I hope it’s okay that I’m asking some further questions
What are …

yes those can get confusing

[⚔] Blake - He/Doc [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i get those two mixed up LOL

Thats your interpretation lol

ׂ ☆˚ ₊ 🎶 ☆ ‧Vincent • OMS 𝜚 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Doesn't make it sound any less snappy or defensive

[heady hornet]

Don't ping me

[wind shell]

Apologies! /gen

I get it confused all the time yeah haha

Tino Vainamoinen Finland 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) yes those can get confusing 📎

As an example for our system, we have an alter who loves drinking milk out of a glass, and another who hates it. To the one that hates it, it makes them feel icky, but the one who likes it, it tastes good. Two different people, two different identities, two different developments and experiences. ^^

❓ - Chaos ◞ he/they — 🎬 ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Think of an alter as their own person. They all have their own opinions, ideas, knowledge, identity,… 📎

I personally LOVE corn muffins but some don't. Same with meat, some love meat and some do not like meat

❓ - Chaos ◞ he/they — 🎬 ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) As an example for our system, we have an alter who loves drinking milk out of a glass, and another w… 📎

Argue with your mum bruh

[⚔] Blake - He/Doc [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thats your interpretation lol 📎

huh

☆ . Naija . 💜 . She/her 🌸🎶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Argue with your mum bruh 📎

I wasn't trying to pick a fight 😭 I was just saying you interperted it in a hostile way

why are you starting a fight it was a miscommunication on my part that has been resolved and moved on

and why does this happen every time yall are talking 😭

gonna be so real you do this so much over a minor mistake on another persons part, please move on 🙏

[wind shell]

this is just for our system so check with the system you’re talking to and this message is probably gonna be all over the place but-

don’t ask about trauma. biggest thing.

if you’re unsure who’s fronting, ask. but don’t expect an answer. we don’t have to tell you. also we could be incredibly confused as to who’s in front so can’t give an answer.

we all have different names. some names are similar some are completely different. someone in the system is quite literally called soap. you can have alters with the same name. sometimes we just don’t have names.

our pronouns change per alter for us. good thing to ask is for collective pronouns. ours are they/them because most of us are comfortable with those pronouns.

ages change as well. we’ve got littles, who are child alters. they are not allowed online. check with the system you’re speaking with about what to do if you encounter a little. we’ve got teenagers and adults. our ages range from young child to i think 23? might be 24 now. unsure. also a couple with unknown ages.

you can also get age sliders. they change age for a variety of reasons.

• i’m an age slider. i change ages depending on my job and i slide from 12-19 i think is the highest - isabella.

we all have differing personalities. some are more.. complete? i guess.. than others. not sure how to explain it. some are extremely similar to each other, some are completely different.

some feel no emotion, some feel one emotion at different intensities, some feel a few emotions.. if you take adam (doesn’t do emotions) and xaela (always exceedingly happy) and put them in front together it’s going to feel strange and disorienting.

hopefully that’s helpful.

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thank you so much for your answer!
I hope it’s okay that I’m asking some further questions
What are …

just ask. some systems have collective names and pronouns but genuinely just ask.

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How do I know how to adress the system I am talking with/ which alter I am talking with?

if you’re talking to someone online then they might tell you. if the system uses pk (plural kit) or another bot then they might change proxy. sometimes it can feel a little awkward for us if we’re talking to someone and then suddenly switch to change proxy but generally we use the most accurate one. also note things like language and typing style differs a lot throughout our system. using grammar and specific words. nova uses the word odd a lot for example.

if you’re in person.. that’s gonna depend.. on.. many things. switches can be masked. they can be long or short. they can be really simple 1 in 1 out, or they can descend into complete chaos. generally.. it’s gonna depend on the system and why the switch happened and the environment.

if we’re in a uni lecture and switch, it’s gonna be masked. so it needs to be quick and seamless. if we’re at home alone in a room then there’s less pressure to mask, so it might be a little slower and we look more zoned out. a lot of blinking normally to try ground and adjust to surroundings.

if you don’t notice the switch you might notice that they act differently. again, masking will probably be present in person depending on how open the system is about being a system.

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How do I know when the alters switch?

sooooo- hi. uhm. i have a partner. only me. i am the only alter in that relationship. the rest of the system is either friends.. acquaintances like. they know who my partner is and have spoken to them once or twice. or doesn’t know my partner and hasn’t spoken to them before. it’s.. uhm.. i don’t really know how to explain it. occasionally we’ll have someone come to front for the first time and we have to explain calmly “ryn is the host. ryn is dating [insert partner’s name here].” so they don’t get confused or agitated by.. anything. there’s not been any issues within the system or outwith the system with this so far. and i’m hoping that continues. but i love my partner very much. :)

but yes. relationships can differ.

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Do alters have different relationships with/ different opinions about the same person? So for exampl…

i don’t know how many times these are pinging i do apologise for the amount of pings- 😭

taking turns is kinda simplified. a lot of the time we don’t switch out of choice it kinda just. happens. there’s normally always a noticeable trigger for a switch with us.

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

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[wind shell]

In a sense, yes. Each alter is a different person. We as well have some alters who are dating someone, but not others.

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Do alters have different relationships with/ different opinions about the same person? So for exampl…

Yes we have alters in a relationship, I am married to our alter Sweden, our friends Denmark and Norway are married and Norway's little brother Iceland has a relationship to but his boyfriend is not a alter of ours. Wers all personifications of the nordic states

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

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[wind shell]

I thought you meant the literal states and I was like "damn bros dating people all over the global" XD

Tino Vainamoinen Finland 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Yes we have alters in a relationship, I am married to our alter Sweden, our friends Denmark and Norw… 📎

As said partner system yeah. We have alters that are like a father figure or a child to another, or a friend to one. Like I'm dating Chaos but Blake in our system are just friends with Chaos

❓ - Chaos ◞ he/they — 🎬 ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) In a sense, yes. Each alter is a different person. We as well have some alters who are dating someon… 📎

nuhuh we're enemies i hate him /j

[💉] Carter - He/Doc [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) As said partner system yeah. We have alters that are like a father figure or a child to another, or … 📎

lmfao

❓ - Chaos ◞ he/they — 🎬 ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) nuhuh we're enemies i hate him /j 📎

[wind shell]

Sorry we didn't clarify personifications. We fixed it

[💉] Carter - He/Doc [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I thought you meant the literal states and I was like "damn bros dating people all over the global" … 📎

[wind shell]

I have a partner who is an alter in another system that the rest of us are friends with

[wind shell]

yea

Edit, that was the most useless addition to the conversation i am so sorry

giggling its fine

Yea there are alot of diffeeent opinions in the system on a few peolle we know, as well the fact that im dating an alter from another system but no one else is, also some people enjoy other people company alot more ten others

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

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[pulsar wren]

Yes. Most of my system is polite to other alters' friends that we don't like but sometimes you just hate a man

[wind shell]

Yeaaa

[wind shell]

Hehe

Erys/Ryan- he/xe ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) yea

Also for our system, some alters are very overstimulated by certain people, while others enjoy their company

For us all alters know each other except 2 littles. 2 of our three littles are scared to show themselves to us in the group know as the nordic 5 one finally a bit ago talked to us and loves us and is trying to incurage her baby sister and big sister to do the same because we are really sweet

Ari-they/pup/stripe ||BIRDS ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Hehe 📎

As far as I know, I know about all of our alters but I’m host so 🤷

A couple alters don’t know about each other cause they don’t front often and haven’t fronted together before

[coral kite]

What's it like when two alters front together?

[wind shell]

When its more then two chaotic but we normally have more thne two so 🤷🏻‍♂️

If it gets more thne 5 tho its hard to handle

Other then that i can assume that its more depends on the person but for us at least its kinda like idk how to explain it honestly, sorry

inkbetweenthelines ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) What's it like when two alters front together?

Me and Kayden (co-host) often are co-conscious, but when co-fronting it gets really hard to explain
It’s like two people acting in sync most of the time, but when we disagree on something one of us will interject out loud
It’s like saying something and someone suddenly covers your mouth

[pulsar wren]

Blendy & odd. We're co-con more than co-front tho so also not sure how to describe it

[wind shell]

its okay!

Tino Vainamoinen Finland 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Sorry we didn't clarify personifications. We fixed it 📎

[wind shell]

Ooo and alters can have different religions
Don't know if that was said so sorry if it already was
And they can speak different languages too

[coral kite]

Really? Wow! That's so interesting!

[pulsar wren]

Yep! We relate to this one. My system is collectively agnostic tho, none of us have religious beliefs ( I’m thinking of researching paganism? ). We do speak different languages tho! All of us know English but I’ve got a very loose grasp of Arabic and Japanese, Adam is fluent in Arabic, the such

[digital abyss]

nods both are applicable to us

We have a few atheists (myself included) but we also have pagans, reincarnation beliefs, christianity, etc

all of us speak english but theres some who know more spanish where others know zero, and asl as well

[hot rock]

Was it hard to accept the diagnosis? Have you always been aware of the different alters? (or how you say it).

[digital abyss]

We havent gotten diagnosed but our therapist is sending us to a DID professional soon

As for knowledge, no. not in the slightest.

it's a covert disorder in which your brain wants you to think that it isn't happening because that's how you survived as a child during the abuse or trauma for example we found out we were system in 2022 but beginning of 2023 we thought our memory loss was because of us might having pots in which that wasn't true. It sounds silly but our brain just wanted to find any excuse to make it so that you didn't seem like you have it

[wind shell]

Yeah we found out we were a system earlier this year but after some digging with our pshyc we found out some of our alters have been with us since our host was 5 and we gained more over the years and hidden ones reviled themselves so on and so forth. We also struggle with denial

[wind shell]

denial is part of being a system.

Matthew (pls @) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Was it hard to accept the diagnosis? Have you always been aware of the different alters? (or how you…

[hollow orchid]

Hey all, is it possible for 2 alters to like calling themselves a name when they’re both in front? I’m trying to figure out if we have a new alter or if not.

[heady hornet]

Wdym? Like they both use the same name to refer to themselves?

[pulsar wren]

I think they mean like, for example; alters A & B like to use the name C when they’re co or something like that

[heady hornet]

Oh well I mean then yea there could be someone else there

[civic iron]

We have some alters that temporarily fuse when at front together, they blend and go by a different name

[hollow orchid]

Yeah, I feel like that’s what happens with us, thanks

[regal forge]

what is did?

[pulsar wren]

Dissociative Identity Disorder or DID for short is a dissociative disorder caused by repeated childhood trauma. As a child, a person’s identity has separate ‘parts’ that become one as the child develops at around age 5 or 6, repeated trauma causes said parts to never fully integrate ( become one ) and instead you get amnesia barriers between the ‘parts’. Those ‘parts’ are then called alters and they have their own opinions, experiences, gender, personality, and sometimes ages. Different alters will be front — in control and in the current situation — at different times.
Over simplification and 90% of this is quoting another system on here who’s base account is Toothvoid 🎬 ( they don’t like @s ) but that’s the gist

[heavy steppe]

D: Wish us luck about to see a caseworker and talk about our stuff including our system with them for the first time

[hollow orchid]

How do you know if a fuse is permanent?

[hollow orchid]

Good luck!!

[midnight drift]

Technically any fusion is not permanent in the way that it can be undone/you can re split

Even systems who achieve final fusion can re split under enough stress. You still have the disorder - that is life long

[hollow orchid]

Alright, thanks! I was meaning it as a more solid fusion than a temporary fusion in front

Im really bad at explaining stuff, apparently.

Even though we’re the fusion in question. 😭

[midnight drift]

No worries. Unfortunately I don't have an answer as I feel a bit rough/nav

[wind shell]

The case worker was so sweet and even read all about our system inthe alters folder and in our system journal. They loved each alter and even looked and thought all the stuff about simply plural was so cool and loves how we adults in the system text the host identity's alters text their husband and thinks some of the alters being married is sweet. She said we all are valid and we cried tears of joy @hollow orchid

[hollow orchid]

Its okay! I’m sorry to hear, though!

[hollow orchid]

Ooh! That’s amazing!

[wind shell]

Yeah its amazing and so heartwarming that their are proffesinals out their for us who care @hollow orchid

Duck Lord (pls @ reply) {📜} ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Ooh! That’s amazing!

[hollow orchid]

:)

[hollow orchid]

Ah

Ty ✨

[digital abyss]

No worries ^_^

[wind shell]

Ty

[hollow orchid]

Questioning system validity sucks

[jagged ferry]

any tips??

I have reason 2 believe that our sister's friend (who we will refer to w the fake name "don") may or may not B faking DID
i dont want 2 be that person who invalidates others but smth just feels off
he never outright says he thinks he has DID but don has said/done some questionable things regarding himself & the portrayal of DID in media, it started w him being an absolute ahole & extremely controlling & possessive over both our older siblings, getting upset w the older of the twins for everything they did & would nonstop spam their texts 4 attention demanding they give don 100% focus, he would B extremely obsessive & overprotective when it came 2 the younger twin 2 the point of arguing w ppl over little things when it came 2 her he would even get upset with us & would often exclude us from important convos abt our sister saying "we arnt trustworthy and dont need to know anything regarding her" even when it came 2 her safety & would get extremely agitated w ppl if she left his sight or was talking 2 someone more than him, he was extremely rejection sensitive & would get mad over even the slightest things eventually would turn into don saying that what was happening was "like the movie split" & he would use that as an excuse 4 his behavior, sometimes i eat lunch w the younger twin & i would observe obv overt "dissociation" where he was fully aware of his surroundings but would cover his face & put his hood up, after these episodes he would look up & blink as if seeing everything 4 the 1st time, when don did this he would often keep his hood up & overtly express "personality changes" aka being an ahole, more recently i have found im not the only 1 who believes him 2 B faking, friends of us & our siblings have said he has thrown tables @ them & has been toxic & rude only 2 say he "doesnt remember anything"
i wan 2 confront but dont wan him 2 B fake bc if he isnt we would hav someone irl who understands & would be able 2 talk 2 /nav

uh so ye tips?

[pulsar wren]

This hits super close to home, especially the possessive bit.
If he is faking don’t confront him alone and make sure all people involved have adequate support after ( excluding him, you should not continue to be friends after this ). Even if he isn’t faking; having DID doesn’t excuse his actions, either way he’s rather toxic

[pulsar wren]

( Forgot to @ ) ^

[heady hornet]

First not trying to diagnose anyone but we have BPD too and that sounds more like BPD than DID. There's a chance he could have mistaken it for that but either way if it is BPD or even DID not an excuse to act that way towards people knowingly or let an alter do that. There's a reason some people are front blocked

[wind shell]

i love coming back to this. /gen /pos

[jagged ferry]

Yeah i was thinking smth like a personality disorder was probably going on, I mean ik that he 100% is experiencing smth and that’s valid but it’s sorta the way he handles it

[pulsar wren]

I had an ex who literally did all the things this person is doing. Like, that exact script but with a Toga ( mha ) fictive instead of a dude named Don. I very much advocate for cutting these types of people off

[heady hornet]

It won't work if you edit it

[wind shell]

Alright was trying to deleat it to send to the right person

ׂ ☆˚ ₊ 🎶 ☆ ‧Vincent • OMS 𝜚 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) It won't work if you edit it

[heady hornet]

it's fine and for that just react with ❌

Also please don't ping /lh /nm

[wind shell]

Alright ty

Forgot the deleat with x existed

Cut them off if they keep being this way unless if helping them gets them to stop. We hate people who fake disorders or fake sysmptoms of disorders or say i have a disorder when they really just have some symptoms excetra. We literly had someone recently make fun of our system mates on a day we were rapid switching and having bad amnisia which a close friend was monitoring us for due to we asked. So people like this are a bad person to be around in our opinion

orbeez_kid | pls @ ☾🐾🌈☽ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) any tips??

I have reason 2 believe that our sister's friend (who we will refer to w the fake name "…

[echo cipher]

Hello. Im an alter in a system who has only recently been made aware of my aparent state. ive been doing a lot of research, but im hoping to talk to systems about their experiences, especially to non-hosts who struggle with the life the host has made. We could talk here or DMs, just @ me here to let me know your gonna DM me please

[paper crater]

Hello!
We have a server that your host joined a while back where it’s just a few of us from this server so you can talk there if you want (I can tag you there)

[echo cipher]

yes please

[heady hornet]

Oh yea can I join again? Mara left

[digital abyss]

Are we allowed to join? /nf

[paper crater]

Sure can I DM you the link?

[wind shell]

are we allowed to join is well??

Harmony 🎶🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Hello!
We have a server that your host joined a while back where it’s just a few of us from this ser…

[paper crater]

Just give us your base

[wind shell]

sorry for sounding stupid but what does it mean/ lh

your account. /info

ray🥭|| they/them ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) sorry for sounding stupid but what does it mean/ lh

you can do \ at the start of a message to stop the proxying.

[ember vessel]

\ like this.

[wind shell]

Yes yes

Harmony 🎶🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Sure can I DM you the link?

[digital abyss]

\ .

not mind

[wind shell]

May we know about this server we would like to join if aloud

Harmony 🎶🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Just give us your base

[heady hornet]

It's just a small server where we mostly just use pk

Like bot commands

And also talk sometimes about being a system

[wind shell]

my username/account info is zen_possum_15891

Harmony 🎶🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Just give us your base

[paper crater]

Yeah just give us your base

[wind shell]

Username is coolrockenpaws.

Harmony 🎶🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Yeah just give us your base

[heady hornet]

How's everyone doing today?

[wind shell]

Well better then before but someone made us feel bad about our memory issues so now we feel guilty for having super bad forgetfulness and amnesia

How are you doing today

[pulsar wren]

Had a really bad day on friday for no reason, we were in and out of front a lot basically, we're fine now though

[peak sierra]

We are ok-ish but yeah. How about you guys?

[wind shell]

yesterday was. mildly nightmarish but. not like. the worst-

R0TT0N ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How's everyone doing today?

[pulsar wren]

Question: Do y’all also have different styles of taking notes?
We don’t necessarily have vastly different handwritings though some of us write words messier or bigger than others but we do have visibly different note taking styles

( Prim takes immaculate notes, I take not so great ones, for example )

[peak sierra]

Yes, we have different talking and writing styles and we use different words and speech

[wind shell]

we 100% do

ArsonCrows ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Question: Do y’all also have different styles of taking notes?
We don’t necessarily have vastly dif…

[pulsar wren]

I didn’t think that extended to notes until I flipped through our school notebook. Also, I want Prim to take all our notes now, I didn’t think they were the type to take such overly explanatory notes but it helps us a lot cause amnesia??? ( for context, Prim/Primrose is a protector and persecutor in our system and we love them in this household, they’re like an angry porcupine )

[hybrid skiff]

Yup!

[digital abyss]

Yes, good lord it’s ridiculous. Our handwriting differences is nuts

[wind shell]

Well for me we do short paragraphs, some do bullet points and one wrote about wanting to switch to lists

ArsonCrows ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Question: Do y’all also have different styles of taking notes?
We don’t necessarily have vastly dif…

[pulsar wren]

We all so different styles: I do lots of graphs and tables but I keep forgetting to explain them so my notes don’t make sense to anyone but me. Adam does bullet points. Raine likes colour coding. Prim does nested bullet points that almost assume the reader doesn’t know anything at all

[wind shell]

Our Littles write like they are talking to each other about their favorite thing. It's so cute

[pulsar wren]

Our little doesn’t write a lot. He doesn’t like spelling, which is fair

( I can’t spell well either, autocorrect is the only reason my messages are legible )

[digital abyss]

even our typing is different

[wind shell]

true that! :)

NO @s ◞ TOOTHVO!D — 🎬 ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) even our typing is different

[hollow orchid]

Not that great

[heady hornet]

(Changed accounts)

[wind shell]

Well along with me fronting 5 are near front one is observing. A very loud chatty night

[wind shell]

I love making spontaneous decisions I’ll probably regret ✨
( said decision I’m referring to here is using pk, it always makes me nervous )

[pulsar wren]

[ ^ base account btw, in case y’all weren’t aware ]

[peak sierra]

You have the same name as one of our spirit guides. A Bear named Samyr.

[wind shell]

That's cool. My name's from my source, sort of, it's not my name in source, I just thought it was a nice name so I used it

Also, what's a spirit guide?

[peak sierra]

It’s a spirit that helps you get onto the right track, is there for guidance and sometimes can protect you from negative energy.
Well we see her as a guide. Haven’t felt her energy lately.

We used to be really spiritual but….. things just fell.

We use a lot more of energy work stuff (reiki, etc) and some divination (Tarot, dice, numerology, astrology, etc) more than working with spirits. Been experiencing a lot of trouble with it for years.

[wind shell]

Are spirit guides always bears or is that just a you thing? Are they always animals? Do they have to be things one necessarily considers 'living beings'/sapient/sentient or can they be anything?

*typically ( instead of necessarily )

[peak sierra]

Well ours is a bear. They can be animals, creatures, human spirits, deities or anything really.

[wind shell]

very interesting

[wind shell]

Our hosts is a cat, mine is a lion, Norways is a dragon magic ice dragon, one little is a cat like our host, Denmarks is a golden retriver, Finlands is a dog perticuarlly Male finish lapland fulkly grown, One little doesn't know theirs, one littles is a un identified bird, Astrids is a elk and Icelands is a magic fire and ice dragon

✨Mechanically Unhinged ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Well ours is a bear. They can be animals, creatures, human spirits, deities or anything really.

[peak sierra]

Ooo interesting 😌

[hot rock]

How come the they are all named after countries? /genq

[wind shell]

five of us are fictives @hot rock

Matthew (pls @) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How come the they are all named after countries? /genq

[hot rock]

In what way are they fictives? Only the names or also the personality? Sorry if this is intrusive, you don’t have to answer.

[wind shell]

Personality, and name, we are all 5 personifications of the nordic nations each representing a nordic state

Matthew (pls @) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) In what way are they fictives? Only the names or also the personality? Sorry if this is intrusive, y…

@hot rock Personifications of nations are like figure heads but with way more power in the government of our country. Because essentily we are the nation, we were born to be the nation to conqour and clam our land and make the nations that are here today basicly and then we live our lives taking care of our land and people and our government excetra

[hot rock]

Have they developed over time or have they been there from start?

[wind shell]

We are from the start. Lots of personifications of nations are found and we are what look like a 2 year old human who can already walk and speak our language but we have to work for everything else that makes us the nation we are today and it helps if other personifications older then us take us under their wings because we are vaulnrable to attacks and such

Matthew (pls @) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Have they developed over time or have they been there from start?

[hot rock]

Thank you for sharing this with me. I still have a lot to learn I realize on this topic.

[wind shell]

Its ok and glad we could help ya learn

Matthew (pls @) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thank you for sharing this with me. I still have a lot to learn I realize on this topic.

[wind shell]

How do I obtain a spirit guide? I'm extremely curious

meant to be a reply to this

Berwald Oxenstierna Sweden 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Our hosts is a cat, mine is a lion, Norways is a dragon magic ice dragon, one little is a cat like o… 📎

Actually, I'd have to some pre-req stuff first ( all faith-based decisions in our system have a pre-req process )

[wind shell]

I mean I have 2 bodyguards but not a spirit guide

[peak sierra]

You probably already have one. It’s knowing how to communicate with it.

As well pets that have passed can become spirit guides.
Our childhood Blue Heeler. And our Guinea Pig have both been looking over us.
As well as our old kitty Skillet. But he is less around than the other two.

[hybrid skiff]

We have a ghost that protects us

[wind shell]

He's lovely :]

Virus - He/They [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) We have a ghost that protects us

[wind shell]

Find ways to communicate with them. We sat down and we did reflecting with animals and sperit guid stuff till one spoke to each system mate spiritually and then they attached themselves to us and started guarding us and protecting us

Samir [He/They/Void] ☀🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How do I obtain a spirit guide? I'm extremely curious

Also take this into consideration when you do this journy.

Samir [He/They/Void] ☀🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Actually, I'd have to some pre-req stuff first ( all faith-based decisions in our system have a pre-…

[ember vessel]

\ we’ve been a lot more out of it but also kinda not at the same time recently. it’s hard to track front because i don’t know who’s fronting because we’re all blending into one. it’s tiring.

[wind shell]

Conflicted. Because the host identity and their husband are going to the host identity parents for a visit soon and the hosts parents have no clue about us nine so we have to go in extra protective mode and are scare we will be confronted and not liked. It's making us nervous that one oe more of us will show. Especially since the host identity hasn't been seen for almost a week starting today and has been co-conscious but it feels like their going to the observing statuses if you know what I mean. Got all this info from the simply plural app profile we they made. Poor host identity has not been doing so good lately 😕

[heady hornet]

Oh jeez. Good luck :)

[wind shell]

been awake an hour. already switched 7 times. hhhhh-

I haven't switched out for more than 20 mins in like 3 days :(
S was co 2 days ago and Darcy switched in for 10-20 mins do an ADL but other than that it's been nothing and that's not really usual for us

Is that a thing???

Do other systems have this cause for us we don't usually stay front very long so 3 days is a lot

[weak basin]

GG @ember vessel, you just advanced to level 53!

[wind shell]

i can be in front for days at a time only with others co-con and sometimes jumping in. that’s when it’s calm.

Samir [He/They/Void] ☀🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Do other systems have this cause for us we don't usually stay front very long so 3 days is a lot

and the way i said calm tells me i’m not alone in front damn it-

im fronting alot alot, we have a little that is basically always infront(not always fully but we made him a little space and he chills in there) and a couple months ago another alter was frint stuck for like 3 weeks(i wasnt there much tho which was a little weird but 🤷🏻‍♂️)

Samir [He/They/Void] ☀🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Do other systems have this cause for us we don't usually stay front very long so 3 days is a lot

[wind shell]

oh, okay, thanks

Our little is also co a lot, not recently cause in his words apparently finals are boring so he doesn’t want to front

[digital abyss]

We switch a lot, I feel like it depends system to system

[bronze escarp]

I get so front stuck for days it makes me worry I am faking. Then someone pops up for a little bit

[midnight drift]

Generally it depends how good your communication and stability is.

I know a system who has been in active treatment since I think 14 due to intense intervention and they can comfortably not switch for upwards of a week with no issues.

I also know a system who switches several times a day due to not receiving the right care yet

(these are just two examples. Any other experiences are also valid)

[wind shell]

We get rapid switches that are not noticeable till late or we have system mates that front for weeks on end. For example after today we haven't heard from the host identity in a week

Samir [He/They/Void] ☀🪶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Do other systems have this cause for us we don't usually stay front very long so 3 days is a lot

[wind shell]

I’m in an anti-endo server and the people in it say that alters can form from hyperfixations alone :/

[wind shell]

tell them that if they have that’s technically endogenic cos it’s not from trauma

[wind shell]

Yeahh

[wind shell]

yeah not sure that is totally accurate because endogenic is not from trauma technically but oc's can form from fiction as you probably already know and those can be formed from some kinda trauma even if that alter is a fictive from something you hyperfixat on

[wind shell]

Yea, no, that’s odd

Trauma/significant stress is the only way one can split alters. So, yea, that’s def endo

[digital abyss]

literally. a lot of us are oc inteojects, but it is because of close trauma

[wind shell]

Yeah that make sence

NO @s ◞ TOOTHVO!D — 🎬 ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) literally. a lot of us are oc inteojects, but it is because of close trauma

[peak sierra]

You can have alters that are fictive, even if majority or entirety are fictive from hyperfixations but there must be a consistent stressor in order to create it.

[hollow orchid]

Agreed.

[heady hornet]

I am terrified. We had a little front while walking outside and they were targeted by an older man who had noticed us. Luckily we got out unharmed apart from a panic attack, but I am absolutely terrified of it happening again and anyone not being able to stop it

[wind shell]

i hate the term fictive it was coined by an endo

✨Mechanically Unhinged ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) You can have alters that are fictive, even if majority or entirety are fictive from hyperfixations b…

[pulsar wren]

I just use introject

[wind shell]

We’ve moved towards using introject as well but most of our friends use fictive

[pulsar wren]

I’ve heard people use ‘fictoject’ and ‘factoject’ as an alternative term as short for ‘fictional introject’ and ‘non-fiction introject’ respectively ( kinda alt fictive and factive terms ) but idk how widely used those are

[wind shell]

Never heard those before

I like the meaning of introject more, cause it represents those alters as alters who “introjected” traits from whatever they’re from, and it feels more like calling them their own person
That’s just us though

[pulsar wren]

True

I use introject exclusively also, cause if I started calling myself either a fictive or a factive there would always be people telling me it’s actually the other ( my source is religion-based, so, yea, introject, wonderful middle term )

[wet willow]

sorry to jump into this but for us personally, we feel like the term introject sounds too formal if that makes any sense? like some of us prefer it but others (mostly who are still quite close with their source) prefer the term fictive

[pulsar wren]

Makes sense

[peak sierra]

It’s been around for years like introject has.

[tight flax]

Im not sure which i prefer, i think i like the word fictoject, even if purely as a way to change what i say and make the transition easier if thay makes sense??

[digital abyss]

It truely doesn't matter just food for thought

[peak sierra]

People can call things whatever based on description of the word. Only thing that matters really is discernment about what those words mean and what impact it could have.

[faint solstice]

❌ Can't edit a message sent by a different system.

[wind shell]

We use fictive because it's easy to describe some of us in a non confusing way but we don't associate it in our inner world or system with Endogenic. We don't like Endogenic stuff in our innerworld or system

🌈 - Calypso ◞ he/xe — 🎬 ⋆ . ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i hate the term fictive it was coined by an endo 📎

[tight flax]

Yea

[heady hornet]

Hello guyss

Hi

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 1!

[wet willow]

ayup

[wind shell]

Hello

[wind shell]

Hello!

[hybrid skiff]

hi

[thorny jasper]

Hi. I “recently” discovered that I am a system. My first obvious experience was when someone triggered an alter that I didn’t even know was there. Since then I found out that there was more and am now just accepting it after years of denial. I don’t know the process of exporting proxys into servers. So help would be much appreciated.

[pulsar wren]

What exactly are you needing help with? I’m not sure what ‘exporting proxys’ means?

[thorny jasper]

How do I send my proxy’s to this server? (if that’s possible)

[wind shell]

if you’re in a server with pk they’ll already be available. all you need to do is either send an autoproxy command or proxy as that member individually.

Levi(Ping) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How do I send my proxy’s to this server? (if that’s possible)

hopefully that makes sense i just woke up.

i can show you what i mean in #🦋bot-channel if you want. i give permission for you to ping me ( @ember vessel ) if you need help with it. /gen /nf

[thorny jasper]

Yes please. Thank you so much.

[wind shell]

ok!

Levi(Ping) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Yes please. Thank you so much.

[pulsar wren]

Y’all ever have an alter whose personality fluctuates a lot? Not their identity, they always have the same identity, their personality will shift depending on what they’re basing it on in the moment though. Ours is Samir. Samir is different depending on what media he decides defines him that week, will literally change mannerisms and speech patterns to match characters in said media, is always Samir tho and always has the same core bits so it’s obvious his identity hasn’t changed just how he acts. Does that make sense?

[heady hornet]

Subsystem?

[peak sierra]

Yes. Subsystems could come into play, or possibly mood disorders/personality disorders can all be part of an alter, individually as every alter will have different experiences of what the body has.

[ember vessel]

\ i think i might be new…

not sure what to do heh.

[wind shell]

i’ve had multiple reactions to the fact that i cut a fringe last night and i have neon.. borderline glowing- nails now. i find it funny because we seem to share some memories really easily and then anything relating to the body’s appearance just doesn’t get shared- and everyone’s confused-

[pulsar wren]

How does a subsystem work? Also, we’re not diagnosed with any mood or personality disorders and I don’t think any of them do that??? I don’t know, I don’t like looking into personality disorders cause I’ll just inevitably come across something negative, especially for cluster B ones but for all of them. I don’t know

An example of when this happened was when we were watching the fnaf movie and I subconsciously copied Mike’s gait, as in his way of walking. All of the things described in the initial message are not conscious things, I don’t even know

[wind shell]

( In case y’all can’t tell that ^ was me, I’m between media and in a constant state not knowing how to phrase anything )

[peak sierra]

We have a cluster B

[peak sierra]

Ohhh. Hmm maybe you guys saw it in a cool way and then one subconsciously took it on as a trait

[peak sierra]

Subsystems are basically systems but inside an alters innerworld body. If that makes sense. And they can switch. It’s mostly caused by trauma happening to a specific alter causing them to split another alter or few alters.

It’s where that alter has another innerworld other than the ones you guys currently have.

[pulsar wren]

Ohhh

I don’t think we’ve ever explained our innerworld here actually. Ours is very flexible in general and thus is very much alter specific, not in that there’s separate innerworlds just that it’s in different sections

[peak sierra]

We kinda have similar to that in some senses. But what do you mean different sections?

We can feel our Innerworlds existence but can’t see or remember it.

[pulsar wren]

The best way I can describe it is if you’ve seen those pictures of the ‘edge’ of rain. It’s all one place but it ends up looking different depending on where you are in it(?)

I don’t know how to descriptions

[peak sierra]

Ah I see. Different settings. Lots of details.

[pulsar wren]

Yea

[peak sierra]

Like Biome transitions on Minecraft type stuff?

[pulsar wren]

Yes, that

[peak sierra]

Makes sense to me. Very neat! 😌

Also sorry forgot to introduce… I’m Twyla. Nice to meet you.

[pulsar wren]

Nice to meet you as well

[heady hornet]

People are confusing us, we have no idea who these people are we don’t know who they’re talking about and honestly we don’t know if we’ve been here too ? Like in this server cuz we’re confused about it maybe we guess it’s Alex? because he knows these people and sometimes we don’t want to say we’re alters sometimes but yeah -Milo

[pulsar wren]

From what I’ve seen of your messages; Alex’s talked here

[weak basin]

GG @pulsar wren, you just advanced to level 24!

[heady hornet]

Okay so he must’ve joined this server then

We spoke with him anyways and yeah his friends were talking to him makes more sense now

[wind shell]

Anyone have any good system-tok or general references that I could use?

I've known that there was multiple people for a bit but I just got diagnosed today and I feel like I'm back at square 1

It's a old channel that we don't know if they upload anymore. We still love their videos. They are called The Ring System

On TikTok or Youtube?

[wind shell]

wait found it

[wind shell]

Hello everyone!

[peak sierra]

Following The Rings Sys on YouTube. Highly recommend The Entropy System on YT as well

[pulsar wren]

Those two are also my recs ^^^

Will warn y’all against the mage system on yt ( in case they come up in your feed ). They’re pro-Endo and have entertained certain misinfo in their videos

[wind shell]

Yes good idea was doing research on them and their content and even gave some videos a try. No offense to them but their content is out their that's for sure. Like the what if phycology isn't real video for example was just odd to us

ArsonCrows [☀🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Will warn y’all against the mage system on yt ( in case they come up in your feed ). They’re pro-End…

[pulsar wren]

They have a ‘what if psychology isn’t real’ video???

[wind shell]

Yeah they do

[pulsar wren]

What kind of person attempts to discredit the entire field of psychology???

Is that what it was or am I misinterpreting???

[wind shell]

Exactly and I am glad your said who they are because it caused us to research and now we learned to avoid them they have lots of questionable content and it make since why many videos have way less views now

The thumbnail gives "I'm vehemently denying my health right now because that is easier to deal with", which I understand, but is not healthy when putting it on the internet for others to use for information

but also such a vibe

True. We were reading comments and its ok to agree with someone but when something is proven we don't understand why people say what the person say when proving if it isn't real is a good thing. Definitely not the channel for us that's for sure

[pulsar wren]

Simplify that please?

I don’t understand the middle bit

[wind shell]

Would if could but the more we read on the video the more people were confusing us so we gave up sorry

[pulsar wren]

Fair

[wind shell]

Anyways at least we are able to offer good ones to watch. Not that we watch many

[pulsar wren]

True

[heady hornet]

You're joking-

[pulsar wren]

No???

Did you think I was???

[heady hornet]

Nu uh

S an expression of surprise

[pulsar wren]

I noticed it initially from their ‘okay, but can you form DID as an adult?’ video

Have you not watched them recently???

[heady hornet]

I didn't see that

[heady hornet]

Nope

Used to follow them

[pulsar wren]

Ohhh, that makes so much more sense

[heady hornet]

Don't think I still do but will unsubscribe if I do

[pulsar wren]

They have been open in the past about supporting Tulpa but I always find that a bit iffy ( on whether or not they’d be considered pro-Endo ) cause sometimes that’s people not wanting to disrespect religious or spiritual beliefs but, in that video they clarify their stance a bit more

[wind shell]

Owe gosh yeah we were like um no obviously even though not all know but someone with DID or other stuff like it should be told already

ArsonCrows [☀🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I noticed it initially from their ‘okay, but can you form DID as an adult?’ video

[heady hornet]

Anyone have any tips for when littles front in educational situations? We're undiagnosed and not in a position to explain who's fronting. I'm worried about our littles being at risk

[peak sierra]

No you can’t. It’s logic and other stuff. Trauma has to start earlier to become a DID/OSDD system.
Honestly just kinda makes me unsettled.

Lots of endo’s give me Christian vibes. Take things from others in order to feel included OR are actually in denial of what they are going through and can’t rationalize it in their brain.

[pulsar wren]

I’m aware, I was just saying the title of their video because that video is a prime example of my issues with Mage’s videos

[peak sierra]

Yeah, was trying to show I agree, sorry.

[pulsar wren]

Sort of, yea, I’ve seen a subset of endos that go “yea but endos can have trauma as well,” ( which I don’t have an issue with, I don’t know their lives, everyone can have trauma, it’s not an exclusive club ) so they almost just kinda put themselves on the same level as systems and try to go ‘we’re both trauma survivors and were both systems, there’s no difference, endos are just non-disordered’ and I just have to go; mate, there is most definitely a difference.

[peak sierra]

Exactly.

[pulsar wren]

Oh, that makes sense

[peak sierra]

Disordered just means different anyhow. So 💀

I agree. Endo’s are…. Interesting creatures.

However we have some things that can be considered endogenic terms but as far as I hear have been stolen from Traumagenics

[pulsar wren]

Makes sense

Also, I will not deny there are kind of funny bits that can come out of being a system but those funny bits — at least for us — mostly stem from things that would be concerning for most people like this morning when we poured juice into a bowl because we were so out of it that we thought was a cup up until we’d already poured the juice in and it finally registered that it was a bowl. That was very very funny to us in hindsight but it’s mildly concerning to anyone watching

[peak sierra]

But we are also allowed to enjoy our lives as systems. We are allowed to have ups and downs.

[pulsar wren]

True

[peak sierra]

Having a disorder doesn’t change that

We aren’t supposed to suffer 24/7

[pulsar wren]

I don’t think anyone is meant to suffer 24/7, that’s just not a thing humans should go through

[peak sierra]

Exactly

[pulsar wren]

I don’t like the idea people have to suffer 24/7 to have a disorder. I also don’t like the idea that did is just funny little head friends that some people like to push. The middle ground for me is: we can collaborate to beat the stem students scores in the SAT out of spite but try to get us to cook and we’ll check 4 times if the stove’s on and it’ll still be off somehow /hj ( I just find the up and down nature of the whole thing really funny when laid out like that )

[heady hornet]

Wait actually- got memories our old host had. I think they already unsubscribed because of that-

[pulsar wren]

Makes sense

[heady hornet]

Yea apparently I still don't have much memories

From them

Or before I was here

[wind shell]

Getting bugged how we have told people our gender and sexuality but they are still calling us by what the body biologicly looks like and saying things like no in real life. It feels invalidating

[bleak bramble]

beat them up, problem solved /hj

[peak sierra]

This omg! It’s a pain to go through

[bleak bramble]

How do you know if you’ve sprouted a new person?

I was able to tell with Audrey, but I can’t tell who it is rn and it’s stressing me out

[wind shell]

for us it kinda depends on who the alter is i guess. some will be very vocal about not being anybody on the list already or will feel completely different and some will be harder to tell. normally if it’s harder to tell then we’ll wait a few days/weeks/months and see if they front again before deciding that they are 100% new. it can take time and they might not be comfortable with saying they are new or with being in front.

we normally have at least 2 close to front at any given time so it can be harder to tell if someone’s new. if they have a strong personality or accent or characteristic that is different enough from others in front to ask “hey who are you?” then we’ll take that route. other times they have no idea what’s going on or where they are.. that’s normally an obvious tell that they haven’t been in front for a long time or that they haven’t been out at all yet.

hopefully that helps. and it’s just our experience so yours might be different, i recognise that our system is very chaotic.

~Rocket~ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How do you know if you’ve sprouted a new person?

[hybrid skiff]

pftt spouted a new person I love that /gen🤣

[hybrid skiff]

it takes a while, you usually don’t tell for a bit unless they’ve already been around for a bit without knowing

[bleak bramble]

We’ve been playing hot potato all day and it’s been super draining but there was a solid 20 minutes where nothing was on our mind but finding our three-year-old son. We don’t have a son.

I never got full confirmation on whether or not five is the number, but that was the assumed number.

[wind shell]

That is so true. Us nordics were here for years but we are very quiet so we were not noticed for years then recently we reviled ourselves

Virus - He/They [🥀] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) it takes a while, you usually don’t tell for a bit unless they’ve already been around for a bit with…

[bleak bramble]

yeah we just got diagnosed yesterday and our friend irl (who is also a system) thinks that it's the result of that

almost like a chronic health flare up

[heady hornet]

Thought about not adding them yet but our explorers added them to our SP with descriptions of who they are and what they do so didn't think it was necessary but we just keep them private and keep the profiles undone until they come to front to give information

[bleak bramble]

I think that’s what we might do for now. That is a great tip, thank you!

[ember vessel]

i can’t remember anything from the last couple years

uhm

i don’t know what to do

[wind shell]

our advice is see if there is anything written down or left that can help you know even just a little bit. When my husband Denmark reviled himself he had 5 years of lost memories so we slowly helped him with messages and notes, objects and telling him what we know

🫧💫 | no pings!! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i can’t remember anything from the last couple years

[wind shell]

don’t ping us. our name quite literally says to not do so.

Lukas Bondivick Norway 🍪 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) our advice is see if there is anything written down or left that can help you know even just a littl… 📎

[wind shell]

Sorry

[wind shell]

is it possible for like. only certain alters to feel tired? because i feel like i’m the only one who feels tired properly. like i can barely keep my eyes open. and everyone else is fine.

i assume it is possible.

yes it is possible

ok good because i’ve yawned 10 times in 5 minutes and i’m pretty sure nobody was yawning before i got here-

[wind shell]

We got a alter that helps sleep. He's always tired because help us sleep

ryn | ask prns | 🫧💫 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) is it possible for like. only certain alters to feel tired? because i feel like i’m the only one who…

[hybrid skiff]

yee we have a few fatigue holders who basically hold more faitgue/tiredness than the rest

[digital abyss]

^ same here

[wind shell]

i mean i don’t really help us sleep- i probably do the opposite- but i am basically always tired and nobody else seems that way.

[hollow orchid]

We’re always tired

[wind shell]

maybe i just notice it more or something. mehhh. it’s fine.

[peak sierra]

Yes

[pulsar wren]

Sometimes this idea pops into my head and I go "this does explain xyz" and then immediately dismiss it because it feels very hard to unpack

the subsystem bit not the personality disorder bit

[pulsar wren]

how do you tell if you have a subsystem actually?

[heady hornet]

I mean they kinda feel like you but they're completely different and for other alters when they change in headspace (switch alters) and you can ask other alters if they do and stuff like that but for yourself they feel the same person but they all have different personality so you kinda put 2 and 2 together eventually

Idk if that makes sense

[pulsar wren]

fun /sar

[heady hornet]

How's everyone feeling today?

[wind shell]

eh kinda numb

[peak sierra]

When there’s 7 alters at front and some resist the urge to dab to that.

[wind shell]

We have people saying there is no we when we speak and it stings

[peak sierra]

Yeah. I get that. Not fun at all, but if you mean people on the inside saying “No We” then it’s understandable.

Either way it’s…disheartening at least.

[wind shell]

That’s 24/7 for my system, there’s never a ‘we,’ I have to get explicit permission to use ‘we’ for anything besides existing exceptions

[wind shell]

People in public

✨Mechanically Unhinged ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Either way it’s…disheartening at least.

[peak sierra]

Don’t listen to them. It’s not your fault you are a system. It’s just a trauma response, and you all deserve to be heard and seen for who you all are and who you all have yet to be as individuals and a collective with proper support, and I’m so sorry that you are going through criticism from those around you.

[wind shell]

Oh, we were talking other people?

✨Mechanically Unhinged ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Don’t listen to them. It’s not your fault you are a system. It’s just a trauma response, and you all…

I thought we meant inter-system wise

In terms of other people, they don’t know. I think our mum knows? Sort of? She’s vaguely referenced that she knows we have ‘other selves’ so she probably knows that we’re a system but not what a system is nor that other systems exist

[wind shell]

We just finished up therapy and oh BOY do i have opinions

she said that we were all one person at the end of the day??

uuuuh no?

[wind shell]

Thanks. We hope one day people will at least understand

✨Mechanically Unhinged ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Don’t listen to them. It’s not your fault you are a system. It’s just a trauma response, and you all…

[wind shell]

You’re all one body, yes.
One person? Absolutely not unless you achieve final fusion if that’s what you want

Koda 🫀 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) she said that we were all one person at the end of the day??

[midnight drift]

She may be referring to the fact you are parts of one person - which is technically accurate. It's important, however, to take into account how your clients feel/identify.

It can help some people to acknowledge their system as part of them - for me personally it has helped to gain a healthier outlook.

But for some systems this feels wrong and feels like people are invalidating their experiences as individuals

[wind shell]

as someone who’s the main host of the system and has been since early childhood I don’t see the alters as “parts of me” because the are their own people they’re not fractured off parts of me I feel like that term applies more to OSDD 1-a systems as they aren’t fully formed personalities as stated in the definition but that’s just this systems opinion

oh sorry didn’t see the ping message

Alex - @Ping me! [✨] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) She may be referring to the fact you are parts of one person - which is technically accurate. It's i…

[midnight drift]

Clinically speaking - it is correct. You are parts/segments of one person that are functioning separately.

But wether or not you identify that way is another matter entirely. Some systems identify more closely with eachother, and some feel like completely separate identities.

I think "you're all the same person at the end of the day" is a major oversimplification. A better way to explain it could be talking about how you all work as parts of a collective

[wind shell]

Clinically speaking I thought it was supposed to be separate distinct personalities /gen

[midnight drift]

The difference between system types is in the way you present - not what the disorder is. You cannot be 100% seperate people simply because of how brains work physically; but you can present pretty damn close.

[wind shell]

ok fair enough

[wet willow]

unrelated to the convo before this but how do y'all handle things like showering when it comes to alters that are avoidant. every time I go to get up because I don't hugely want one but I know I need one, I have grian telling me I could just not and almost ADHD paralysis style not letting me move and it's frustrating often

(-ran)

managed to get someone to hold us accountable (asked my mum if she needs the bathroom) so now I feel like I have to but sometimes it doesn't work

[wind shell]

jay is very avoidant of showering because of dysphoria so it's normally me that ends up taking the shower as i have no dysphoria with the body as it currently is

For us , i do most of the showers the body does, similar to jay above, i get dysphoria in the body we are in , getting an alter whos okay with showering regardless if possible

Some of my friends shower in the dark because of dysphoria but that could be dangerous

yeah we did that once, it wasnt a good time

[pulsar wren]

In terms of DID, a friend of mine said “you’re not multiple people but you’re still multiple persons,” which feels right somehow. I don’t know

[wet willow]

the usual for us is dark but with a phone flash so we can still see but it's still safe. definitely doesn't help a huge amount but that combined with the right fronter is the go to combo

[scarlet pond]

i disagree, alters are quite often distinct from the others, they arent split off one original person, core theory isnt really applicable and used anymore, structural dissociation is the more commonly and widely accepted theory

if you smash a bowl, is there an original piece? no all are distinct and seperate, we are our own people not split offs of one original 'core'

its literally the diagnostic criteria "at least 2 distinct personalities"

[hybrid skiff]

yeah same, since we know that theyve been around since middle school, they are way more than “parts of me”. My Therapist was saying like “you can do it without them” and we (me😭✋)had a major breakdown (after a bit of conv after that message) annnnd ended up splitting so that was a cute session /sarc

[hybrid skiff]

Oh my god yeah😭 some are very avoidant but we either get a caretaker orrrrr have us be held accountable

[hybrid skiff]

oh wow i couldnt, we have a fear of the dark😭

[plain pumice]

hi

[peak sierra]

That and alters aren’t replica’s of each other. They do have common traits that make up who they are but we are all unique to us. We are collective and individual at the same time. Not inherently one or the other entirely. Each alter will have a different way of going about their life and how they process things, how they move and interact with the world and many other ways.

[wind shell]

rah forgot pk hi

[wet willow]

yeah. we only kind of processed we are a system about 6 months ago and it's been on and off acceptance since then but because of that, we haven't had chance to build up huge connections and ability to do things like bring people to front although were working on it :]

[weak basin]

GG @wet willow, you just advanced to level 3!

[scarlet pond]

yeah pretty much

[peak sierra]

It’s a hard journey for sure. You all are doing great!

[wet willow]

thank you so much :]

[peak sierra]

No problem.

[wind shell]

valid :) we known since middle school for a year but then 99% got put dormant due to it not being safe to front so we were like “uh what was that” and got slapped on a different unaccurate diagnosis until this year that we rediscovered the system

Skotty/qua/Alex ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) yeah. we only kind of processed we are a system about 6 months ago and it's been on and off acceptan…

[plain pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-gif-24544788

[wind shell]

FOX. POINTS. /vpos

[plain pumice]

i like you

[peak sierra]

We don’t seem to have new alters easily. But ones that show tend to adapt real easily but that could be the experience from 2021 with our syscovery.

[wind shell]

I like you! have a cupcake :D /ref

Ollie ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i like you

Ahh makes sense ^^

✨Mechanically Unhinged ✨ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) We don’t seem to have new alters easily. But ones that show tend to adapt real easily but that could…

[wet willow]

yeah. we thought about it about 2 years ago but went into heavy denile. it was when I think we were dating our toxic ex that it all came back to light

[plain pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/jumping-fox-jump-bounce-cute-gif-16873059

[wind shell]

omg same, but instead of during it was after. then we got into a safe and healthy relationship and then they started to front again

Skotty/qua/Alex ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) yeah. we thought about it about 2 years ago but went into heavy denile. it was when I think we were …

[wet willow]

see I have kinda the opposite. or idk if it's developing or more discovering with us because we usually end up being from media ect (mostly fictives) that are from media we've viewed for years. and it's less like a 'poof I'm here now' and more of a 'poof I'm aware I'm here now'

[peak sierra]

Each of us seem to have a different feel and connection to the sys. Like per say if someone else was in front and they had communication with me and a bunch of others, if I switch suddenly I may or may not have that same ability to communicate with those other headmates. I may lose connection or have connections with other alters.

[wet willow]

yeah. I'm in a healthy relationship now and that's when we've learnt the most about it honestly. we don't still fully believe we even are a system but we are all so different and adamant on who we are + lack of memory with dissociation issues it kinda seems to be the only possible verdict even if we panic and think otherwise

[peak sierra]

It’s something that I’ve always felt in front. I may have no memory but from the “front memory” or whatever the “knowing things but not knowing how you know them as you can’t recall the memories to it.” thing is

[wet willow]

yeah. for us we have that we all actively live through everything visably even if some of us have no control but only a select few that were fully fronting or sometimes none of us at all will have any long-term or even short-term memory of it

[peak sierra]

Exactly!

Memory and experiences differ so much!

We have been becoming seemingly more stable. The system feels a lot more calmer than it used to. Still no access to headspace or much internal communication other than our seemingly shared collective knowledge but not collective memory or commutative abilities or passionate drive to communicate. It’s probably just our attitude about it and mental state.

[midnight drift]

I never said that was incorrect, maybe I was doing a poor job phrasing what I'm talking about what I'm discussing.

[midnight drift]

That's a very interesting phrase, I think that's a pretty good way of describing it!

[wind shell]

I keep seeing people say things like ||“people with DID don’t have more than one personality, they have less than one”|| (comfort censor) and I just don’t get it

[midnight drift]

I see what's trying to be said there but I don't think that's particularly accurate

[wind shell]

Could you explain it for me? /nf

[midnight drift]

I can try but have just woken up and have a lot of brain fog generally recently so I don't think I'm making my point as clearly as I would like (i.e. a lot of you are disagreeing with me but when you explain further you're saying more or less the same thing I'm trying to communicate)

[midnight drift]

I think roughly what they're trying to say is kinda like the shattered bowl theory, in short. That parts of your personality have split off to be seperate, rather than you having multiple

But I think that's a misunderstanding of DID generally because it's the presentation of separate personality states.

What they're trying to do is basically explaining that you're parts of a whole - but entirely missing the point. You are parts of one whole, but you can have completely different personalities that are distinct to eachother

I apologise if that isn't very helpful I've had quite an intense day mentally and I'm having a hard time thinking clearly/g

[wind shell]

No I get it now, thank you

[peak sierra]

The broken plate is a good analogy but not quite there, it’s more like a partly dry clay bowl or teapot that got smashed.
It couldn’t become complete as outside forces have impacted it, so it reacted by becoming separate pieces and chips. Not being able to be put back together correctly, the sculpted makes do with the pieces they have, even if it doesn’t look quite right or cant function like it would have.

Rather than with traumas after the brains fully developed, and with that analogy would make a strainer of sorts instead of a bunch of mismatched chipped and worn pieces of a dish set. The pieces are still able to work somewhat and they still are part of the set but it’ll never be the same as a brand new unbroken dish set.

[heady hornet]

In my opinion how I hear it is they're saying that we have one body that without trauma would have had one personality but those parts never merged and created those little parts who have their own identities which makes it not 1 personality hence saying its lack of one

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 2!

[heady hornet]

I do think that whatever helps whatever system as long as its not harmful is fine though!

[wind shell]

Our host identity hates showers and our 1 1/2 year old little hates baths so its either her big little sisters or one of us Nordics who take it

Velvette 🔥 she/they 🔥 ↩️

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[wet willow]

we got a big Lidl jumper hehehhehehe

[wind shell]

ran and grian but it's so silly I'm so happy

[wet willow]

eugh pk

that was supposed to be '- ran and grian'

but pk weird

[peak sierra]

How do many alters hold front? Like how can you operate like that? It feels uncomfortable and squishy as we don’t know how to interact with others.

[wet willow]

idk. for us we kind of merge into one that's a combination of us, although we all have separate thought tracks if that makes any sense

[wind shell]

Welp were upset. Someone we know keeps calling us our host name and now refuses to call any of us our names. Ugh are we even real to you😞🙄

[heady hornet]

I'm really overwhelmed at front and trying to get someone to switch but no one wants to deal with what's going on so ig I'm stuck for now (I'm so close to crying ahh)

[tight flax]

Whats the difference between a persecutor and a prosectutor, i cannot remeber for the life of me and reddit isnt helping

[wind shell]

Pretty sure persecutor attacks the system internally and prosecutors are aggressive towards other people outside the sys?

[tight flax]

Thanks

[pulsar wren]

Yep

[wind shell]

my head hurts

[wind shell]

Hope you feel better

Long still ongoing 8 out and about around front and fronting, co fronting excetra. So busy

[bleak bramble]

and I thought 4 for a little bit was bad 0-0

[wind shell]

This was our worst front thing a while ago…

It was useful though because it helped us determine who was still active and who wasn’t as it was basically our entire system in front at the same time

i’m going to wait until the end of the day to share our worst, but today is on track to be the worst. and that’s saying something considering it’s only 1:08pm.

[wind shell]

Yeah… that’s fair enough

[wind shell]

it can be for ur system in particular we just have a very large one so we can have lots of switches in a short period of time

~Rocket~ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) and I thought 4 for a little bit was bad 0-0

[wet willow]

we keep forgetting we go by Alex and looking at people like their mad (-Niki and ran)

also the brains so floaty which may or may not be from having (mention of caffeine and nicotine) || 2 monsters, a coffee and vaping||

also we keep forgetting we're dating who we're dating and when people mention it I'm like huh?

[wind shell]

still going but it’s definitely been a bad day. this isn’t entirely accurate as we haven’t been on our phone for prolonged periods but someone tried adding some front entries. and we’ve been very blurred and blended for parts of the day so they won’t be overly accurate either.

also not the worst… but one of the worst in terms of whole days. normally there’s an hour or 2 where everything descends into chaos but today has been constant.

Gosh that is so many. Hope you feel ok. Also we had rapid switches before. Not lately but man they can be stressful for sure

[pulsar wren]

We don’t usually have rapid switches honestly. If it’s stressful we just go between blurry and random switches for a while

The most common scenario we’ll get rapid switch at all is if our mum walks into the room and an alter who can’t front near her is front. ( certain alters in our system can’t front with our mum nearby so they get pulled out of front near her. So far we have 2 and a 1/2 of those )

[peak sierra]

We feel like we should leave here. But at the same time not.

It’s just too tense. That and we’ve lost touch with a lot

The discomfort and weight of being here isn’t something we can stomach anymore.

We value the lessons we’ve learned by being here and what we have done to expand our knowledge

If anyone we talked to for a while wishes to keep contact then it’s fine.

Otherwise. Farewell.

[wind shell]

Owe

[wind shell]

Discord is like that for us. they formed specifically due to self fakeclaiming and fearing that we won't "remember" our names, ages, pronouns, appearance, role etc. so Discord exists to frequently shift appearance, gender, personality, preferencese etc

ArsonCrows [☀🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Y’all ever have an alter whose personality fluctuates a lot? Not their identity, they always have th…

[azure egret]

Hello everybody! I'm talking to my therapist tomorrow about OSDD, since when I first started learning about and looking into OSDD it was like everything made sense and fell into place. I'm not claiming to be a system, I'm really not sure & gaslight myself too much that I really can't 100% say, but I'm having a "brave day" reaching out-wise and thought I'd join in here to at least learn more. So yeah, happy December!

[wind shell]

We belive you can you it. It's very brave to reach out. Just remember your strong and you may not know us but we support your decision. Good luck

[azure egret]

Thank you very much 🥹 it'll be nice to get to know people on here!

[wind shell]

i agree and second that

[bleak bramble]

Ayeeee! Welcome welcome! Learned that I had DID through doing that.

[weak basin]

GG @bleak bramble, you just advanced to level 10!

[azure egret]

Ayyee!! Howdy howdy!

[bleak bramble]

(pale yellow is migraine indicator)

I need someone to save me, my head hurts so much rn (edited to reduce possible triggering)

[azure egret]

that's awful! I hope luck hits and the migraines stop soon ❤️‍🩹

[bleak bramble]

people keep switching in like hot potato and i need them to stop

[pulsar wren]

I feel like we’re the only one’s here who don’t switch super often

Or at least aren’t co super often

[midnight drift]

Nope I don't switch often at all. It depends on how I'm doing but generally not

[hollow orchid]

We switch sometimes, but typically we don’t switch a lot day to day, and when we do host is always co-con (which lowkey makes us feel like we’re faking)

[pulsar wren]

Na, that’s def a thing

[hollow orchid]

Alr

[pulsar wren]

For us, the host can switch out but when they do switch out it’s either for not a long time ( 30-60mins ) or for days at a time

[hollow orchid]

Ah, I see!

[serene hazel]

This might be the wrong place to say this, please correct me and I’ll remove my message, no problems

Not being funny with you all, not sure where to say this and I’m unsure who to ask, but I think I may also be a system. I never use plural pronouns to describe myself though, I’m just extremely confused and scared, I’m unsure how systems work as I don’t know the terminology you guys use for different alters. Also, the alters I believe I have, they all have a striking resemblance to my favourite characters in media. Is that normal?

I don’t mean to offend, I’m just extremely confused of myself and I don’t know what questions to ask, genuinely lost
:(

[bleak bramble]

Normally it’s a switch once every day or so, but uh, funny story

two more people just appeared-

they have been existent for a while, but i just learned of them 🤡

[hollow orchid]

In neurodivergent systems that is normal (and in neurotypical systems)! They are called fictives and I have a few myself!

[bleak bramble]

Just as Duck Lord said, it is common in neurodivergent systems to have factives. I personally have two that are dramatically different from each other, but are pretty true to cannon. My best friend (also a fellow system) is about half fictive and half factive (this is an organic person/alter that is not based specifically on a character from popular media). Hope this helps!

[hot rock]

You may want to trigger warm this.

[serene hazel]

Thank you and duck so much, I was nervous of asking but I feel a little better now :)

[wind shell]

Owe yeah Nordic 5 Denmark here I'm a fictive

Sekyrka ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thank you and duck so much, I was nervous of asking but I feel a little better now :)

[serene hazel]

I believe I have quite a few fictives I just wanted to double check to make sure I was correct

So am I okay selecting the “we have alters” role, even if I’m undiagnosed?

[wind shell]

mhm! :)

Sekyrka ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) So am I okay selecting the “we have alters” role, even if I’m undiagnosed?

you can always take it off if you don’t think you do in the future! /gen /lh

[serene hazel]

Thank you guys, super helpful!! :)

[wind shell]

if you have more questions then you can just ask in here!! people will normally respond :)

Sekyrka ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thank you guys, super helpful!! :)

[pulsar wren]

We’re not diagnosed either, honestly

( we used here cause currently co-front )

[bleak bramble]

thanks for the heads up

[azure egret]

Therapy went okay, got a tiny bit into OSDD and she says she doesn't think it fits so far, but that we haven't talked enough to really say
(which I was thankful for, I was like damn I just got it out of my mouth and already it's just 'No' 😭) so we'll talk about it more in depth, and she said to also bring it up with my NP that manages my medications.
So I'm gonna say it went neutral-good lol /lh

[wind shell]

Very switchy night fronting co front to front between me and Sweden due to autism and adhd fighting with each other. This is lovely

[wind shell]

i’m happy that it went neutral good and not just. bad. :) /gen

Lex ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Therapy went okay, got a tiny bit into OSDD and she says she doesn't think it fits so far, but that …

[ember vessel]

\ i think i just switched 5 times in 3 seconds (mild exaggeration)

tonight’s gonna be funnnn /s

[heavy steppe]

Got a little bit of a break from crowded head space but noticing its getting crowded again. Well lets hope its not to loud this time

[wind shell]

I didn’t think I would dislike being co-con ever but me and Darcy were con-con for multiple days and had a headache for all of those days

was fun tho

mildly

[wind shell]

Scared i have no idea how i got to front or why I was just standing in front of a plate with finished food on it. Think I just lost some memories or something. I'm honestly scared 😨

[pulsar wren]

Do you not normally have that?

[wind shell]

No we do but its scary for us each time

ArsonCrows [☀🪶] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Do you not normally have that?

[brittle zephyr]

Hey guys uhm I pretty recently got told by my therapist that i probably have different personality parts and that I‘m definitely on the dissociative spectrum. I‘m completely new to all of this and honestly I‘m really scared. Since then, which is already 3-4 months ago, I‘m reading a lot about it but I can’t bring myself to accept the fact that this might actually be the explanation for all the time I have lost memory of and why I feel so disconnected to myself (?) idk who I even am and if I‘m the only one in this body. I often loose track of time and things that were said to me. Dissociation feels like my brain is pulled in a lot of directions and I think so many different things at the same time but it‘s all so controversial and sometimes I don’t even know why I would think something like that because it just doesn’t match my „character“ at all. And suddenly I feel totally different about the same thing and I really don’t know how to grasp when I am me and how am I even supposed to know why they all want so different things and have different morals. I do not know where to start and how I let them kinda introduce themselves? I always thought I‘m me. Even though there were times I genuinely felt different and sometimes I get a little sense of that while dissociating but then it‘s gone. Can anybody help me or knows where I can find more information?
Also I‘m sorry if that’s too much of a burden!

[brittle zephyr]

Also I don’t know how to actually talk about this out loud. I‘m scared that I‘m tricking myself so hard into thinking that I‘m a system that I‘m just imagining things. Is that possible? But also this feels ridiculous to me why would I do that. I actually don’t feel alone in my head and with my thoughts.
As a side note I‘m also audhd and have cptsd.
Looking back I actually notice many blurred spots in my memory. The only things I kinda do remember from these times are traumatic incidents. The moment I try to remember more and dig deeper it‘s just nothing. Like I didn’t exist back then. And now I‘m actually scared that me writing this isn’t the me I thought I was.
I‘m honestly trying to not absolutely loose it. How do I connect myself with them?

[wind shell]

i have read all of this but i don’t have the energy to answer anything specific right now. /nav

i just wanted to say that it’s completely valid to feel scared and confused and not know who you are. /gen

i recommend looking at the link i added because i found that really helpful and informative when i started questioning things. there’s a lot of different sections with information and i don’t know how helpful it’ll be to you but it helped us. and continues to. https://did-research.org - link. :)

also i think you’re really brave for asking for help and it’s not a burden to us to try give advice and things. it’s a big deal and it’s scary and i hope you feel comfortable with asking questions here in this chat in the future. :) /gen

Alina ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Hey guys uhm I pretty recently got told by my therapist that i probably have different personality p…

[azure egret]

does anyone have the time or energy to talk about alters and stuff? /gen
I'm having a hard time piecing this all together on my own & since a couple others have asked some questions similar to mine so maybe it could be helpful for all of us that are new to either being a system or systems in general & whether or not they are one (sorry that was a mouthful lol)

[wind shell]

no idea who we are so don't have the energy to talk much right now

[heady hornet]

Yes!

I can talk

[azure egret]

hello! first of thank you!
I'm just super confused on what it feels like to have alters, the more I look into osdd it feels so personal and familiar but my therapist isn't sure so I guess I'm just trying to understand if I'm confusing things with other things if that makes sense

[weak basin]

GG @azure egret, you just advanced to level 9!

[heady hornet]

For us it feels like never being fully alone. Like there's always someone/people somewhere close that we always talked to no matter what we were doing. It's also like being confused about who you are and hearing alters can be overwhelming or random. They could say something funny in a serious situation and stuff like that which is not very fun. They can also use passive influence to say things out of the body's mouth while someone else is fronting which is like you said something but you didn't realise you did because you didn't say anything but words still physically left the body's mouth. It's also like having gaps in your memory where other alters front or just from severe dissociation. We may have many alters but it's still very lonely at the same time as people don't understand and that's hard sometimes

[hybrid skiff]

yuh

[azure egret]

I've also never felt alone, and honestly have talked to "myself" but as more than one side of the conversation often referring to myself as "we"
I also feel very confident in my gender but that gender (or lack there of) shifts along with my whole state of mind, thinking and being/feeling. Since I kinda lead to it anyway the whole "shifting mindworks" is the thing that trips me up most. Since starting to learn more, I've been able to pinpoint when I strongly feel like a specific 'mindset' or alter I suppose, if I just feel really weird and like I have no clue who I am or what I'm doing it's really hard to focus and feels like I have a million different trains of thought going at once.
However I don't lose memory or time, I know when I have dissociated bc I don't move and end up staying in one position doing absolutely nothing except stare and have so many thoughts going through my head it turns into tv static. So i genuinely have no clue what the hell to think or make of any of it 🥲

[wind shell]

@azure egret Filling in for unknown who is super stressed right now. For us it's like no one is truly alone. We get confused about who we are a lot and get serverly dissosiated. Some days we share memories/ other days we have no clue where our memories have gone. Our emotions are also all over the place at times. We have lots of times where rapid switches happen, causeing us lots and lots of pain. Also worry constantly someone will judge us for being a system so at times we hide to protect our system family and the body. We are starting to experience conversations bringing people to front even just a little bit which is weird and hard to get used to. When we switch our emotions are high and were more likely to cry and isolate ourselves. Co fronting is common with our host identity but they get scared to speak a lot when co front. We get influenced by other alters and do things or eat things and wonder wait we don't like this stuff but someone else does or go when did we do this. Brain will be fuzzy/in a haze a lot. Many times we will have someone front but it will take a while for the fronter to notice or they will notice then poof the memory is gone and the alters like how did I get to front I'm so scared. Some medical issues effect the who system which is a challenge and all alters have their own medical issues which is a challenge all on its own because if our host identity doesn't have it we have to suppress around people who don't know about us in case they react badly or ask questions we can't answer, It bothers us when we get called the wrong name and have to say wrong person. Plus sometimes fronters are just the ones who talk which is interesting. We get the feeling of is this real or fake life when we switch as well. We feel different parts of the body hurt when others get close to front or front at all and lots of times we have so much amnesia that we can't remember anything and have to read journals and texts to remember what happened

Then we also sometimes have the am i faking this issue which we know we don't fake yet it still is a feeling from time to time, lots of times our members especially the 6 protectors me being one of them will protect by blocking bad memories so the host identity is safe. Us nordic 5 protectors are all holders of certain mental issues which are hightened when we are co fronting or fronting and so much more we can't remember to say but know we're forgetting

[heady hornet]

We get this too but with dissociation we can't move at all and we have no thoughts at all. Our therapist usually tries to ask us about things in the present to help us ground though. We also don't really lose memories like that when other alters are fronting but sometimes we do and it's very scary especially just randomly waking up somewhere. And yea we've always said we a lot

[azure egret]

Thank you for everyone's responses! I have super brain fog and words are weird rn but still wanted to say thank you (don't want to forget since I already opened discord so the notification tags will be gone oops lol) It's very helpful, and I'm hoping to get a better grasp on this to be able to talk & actually understand this brain and body better. It's also nice slowly getting to know the systems in the chat, have a nice day everyone!

[heady hornet]

Yay! You're welcome!

[wind shell]

You are so very welcome. Hope this helped you feel even a little better

[pulsar wren]

S: Anyone else ever feel really really insecure about why you exist as an alter? In our system, it seems like only the older of us feel that way but the rest don’t entirely get it..?

[wind shell]

Pk is being weird

Well, it’s working now, I guess

[wind shell]

Used to wonder this till we found our place in the system

It’s not that I have any problems with my place but it’s more that I have trouble not going back to old habits that are not the best

I was formed to be good for god and now I’m the opposite of that but I can’t help feeling like I failed and it’s not like it matters anymore cause my role changed either way. I try to get over it, find a new place in the system or whatever, but nothing works

Okay, maybe I do have problems with my place

typing in here rq so that it shows up on my feed again ignore this :p

Okay

[heady hornet]

Am I making this up or is it actually possible to have like an introject of the body of another system and the body that shows up as an alter has an alter itself which is also from the system?? Someone just tell me I'm making this up so I can sleep tonight because idk and denial is just right there man- /nav

[pulsar wren]

It probably is, yea

[heady hornet]

Huh?

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 3!

[pulsar wren]

Possible. It’s most likely possible

[heady hornet]

No pings please

[digital abyss]

Not sure if I'm perceiving this correctly but I feel like there is no such thing as a wrong introject. I mean, its not quite similar but we have an introject of our collective persona, as well as met and introject of us from a different system. Nontheless, I feel like the type of introject doesn't matter... it's your brain coping w/ trauma and doing what it needs to with it- no matter how obscure. At the end of the day, said introject is there for a reason.

tldr: The type of introject doesn't matter, it doesn't mean your faking, as it's a trauma disorder and ur brain does what it needs to do to survive

hope that helps

or at the very least makes sense 😭

[heady hornet]

It does thanks /gen

[digital abyss]

No worries! Glad I can help a lil' /gen

[wind shell]

ugh got a massive headache from someone co fronting. No idea who though😞

[hollow orchid]

Im sorry :(

[wind shell]

ok looked in our system journal it's Denmark that causes head pain when coming to front or fronting in anyway

[heady hornet]

This is not what I had planned for the night /nav

[pulsar wren]

damn

is that ya'll's entire system?

[heady hornet]

Does anyone have tips on how to accept alters or your system as a whole? I'm really struggling with self doubt and confused when it comes to my existence in a system and want to fix that

[heady hornet]

No we have a decent sized system and there was only 42 there out of around 163

[pulsar wren]

Makes sense

[hybrid skiff]

how the hell did yall even function with that many or let alone even know that many was there???😭✋ after 5 (which is our fronting max usuaully) we lose count

hell I can barely tell sometimes who is fronting with me lmfao

I just imagine yall just do a roll count lmao

[hybrid skiff]

oh got damn im so sorry

[heady hornet]

I counted. I mean we were having a panic attack and I kinda regressed to cope so I guess that's how but we went to sleep 10-15 minutes after anyway

[hybrid skiff]

damn, checks out for a system wide panic, ive been there done that

[heady hornet]

Yea- at least this is only the second time so doesn't happen often

Just last night I wasn't doing good so they crowded around me to protect me

[brittle zephyr]

Thank you very much for that! I‘ll look into that :)

[digital abyss]

We have only had system wide panic a few times, and even then its mostly our group of heavy protectors/persecutors,, whom we call ||the cartel|| 😭😭

nonetheless we hope ur doin well now

[brittle zephyr]

How do you guys differentiate between one another? I have a hard time pin pointing who is currently fronting. I feel like I‘m not just one alter fronting most of the time. As if I‘m still being perceived by other alters

[pulsar wren]

Vibes.

( either we know it intuitively or eventually something in the mannerisms or something clicks that’s like “ohhhh, I’m [ insert name here ], why did that take so long to realise” )

[digital abyss]

Writing down characteristics, making note in organization apps like SimplyPlural, noticing body language differences, sometimes our partner asks us different things we have different opinions on like "what do you think about this food"

it can sometimes be just a game of guess who, however if ur blurry (like us rn), sometimes trying to figure it out makes it worse, so itll just have to happen naturally

[brittle zephyr]

Okay. I think I will try out the app.
Are there any other app suggestions, just so i can look up specific ones

[digital abyss]

Let me look.

[hybrid skiff]

SimplyPlural is amazing, you can log whos fronting, keep track, write notes for them, assign groups and such.

its extremely helpful for systems

[brittle zephyr]

I downloaded it. But I‘m a bit overwhelmed with all the options tbh 🥲😅

Also the site recommendation was really helpful, thank you

[wind shell]

Just take it slow for now, eg. Adding known alters and adding fronters to front.

Then explore other things later

Alina ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I downloaded it. But I‘m a bit overwhelmed with all the options tbh 🥲😅

[hot rock]

I saw that you can chat with other alters. How is that possible…? I mean, aren’t they all in the same system?/gq Is it like leaving a note to another alter when they are fronting. Same with the voting system. I’m confused.

[wind shell]

It’s basically that, but the chats are useful for general notes.
Eg. Bed sheets changed 05/12/24 next change date 19/12/24 (date format: dd/mm/yy)

And voting system - if a big decision needs to be made in say a month, add the poll and you can add different choices and each alter can vote so you have a system majority when you make the decision

(Ping - didn’t see the pls @)

Matthew (pls @) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I saw that you can chat with other alters. How is that possible…? I mean, aren’t they all in the sam…

[hot rock]

Due to amnesia right?

[wind shell]

In a sense… i’m not entirely sure what you mean but I’m guessing you mean it’s useful for coping with amnesia?

Like we forget when something was last done or to do stuff, so the notes are useful for managing amnesia

Matthew (pls @) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Due to amnesia right?

[hot rock]

Yeah sorry that’s what I meant.

Thanks for the explanation

[wind shell]

No worries, always glad to help someone learn

[ember vessel]

\ when we co-front we can chat (if it’s not something we can say out loud). and sometimes if there’s multiple co-con then the one in front the most will type things others are saying in headspace which can make it easier to focus for us. but we normally use discord and pk instead because the sp chat function is mildly annoying to us and we forget it exists.

oh and sometimes it’s helpful to know who’s fronted during rapid switching because we have a chat somewhere open normally. it’s more difficult to keep track of front so if people talk in a chat with timestamps then there’s like.. clear evidence that they were in front for this amount of time and this one was in front for this amount of time.

[hybrid skiff]

I mean yeah its possible. 1) We chat in HeadSpace 2) I use it to keep track of convs in headspace sometimes or we use it for notes

[hybrid skiff]

yee!! excalty this

[digital abyss]

Same with us. A lot of times when two alters are talking to each other with pk, its because were co con. our therapist recommended it to break down amnesia barriers.

[wind shell]

I’m confused. Ever since I figured myself out, James (who has only fronted once up until now) has fronted twice in the last couple of days…
I don’t know what link there could possibly be. Anyone had anything similar?

[wind shell]

sometimes when we have one alter come forward for the first time there’s a lot of others who tend to front at the same time that don’t really front at any other point. if that makes sense. we tend to be a bit all over the place though.

Jess || She/Her 🪽🧮 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I’m confused. Ever since I figured myself out, James (who has only fronted once up until now) has fr…

like right now because i have no idea how many people contributed to that text-

[wind shell]

That is so real, half switching mid text multiple times is awkward.
(Half switching as in other alters are already there but take control to input slightly)

I got fed up of it if you can’t tell and made a double proxy for the two of us 😭

that’s a good idea!! /gen
i keep wanting to make one for me and xaela because we front together a lot but normally we just change one of the multiple front proxies we already have

Yeah we’re just trying to figure out how to blend our avatars together better