DID/OSDD-1 System Chat

[timber gull]

It's so much easier to just realize we're masking through text and fix it but irl we get sucked up in the moment

[silk wyvern]

It will be very hard to not mask ur did when the whole point of it is to keep it hidden from others and yourself

That’s why it takes some people years of therapy to be able to communicate with other alters

And shit

[peak sierra]

Good point

Is it normal to have random bouts of dissociation without any switching or switching feeling?

It just feels weird and I don't like letting myself zone out

Better question, how do you know you've split? Other than headaches.

[silk wyvern]

Well I mean ur also not meant to know when you switch but yea dissociating with a disorder with dissociative in the name is pretty normal

[timber gull]

Oh yeah we dissociate a lot without switching even though we do know when we've switched just because we've worked on it for just over a year I think? Sometimes it's still hard to tell

Seven (He/They) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Is it normal to have random bouts of dissociation without any switching or switching feeling?

[tidal totem]

Yep manier times

[lament shoal]

So normal! It happens to us all the time and we're like "Okay brain"

[weak basin]

GG @lament shoal, you just advanced to level 4!

[haughty rapids]

such a tsfw moment

[peak sierra]

Lol

@dusky solstice

Here

[dusky solstice]

Hi

[peak sierra]

Hi

It is possible you might, but also its normal to have a mental process of seeing 2 sides of the situation, but if the other point of view doesn't seem like you theres a chance it could be alters.

[dusky solstice]

Oh ok

[peak sierra]

If that makes any sense

[dusky solstice]

Yeah it does

[peak sierra]

We ourself are a system and thats one of the ways we were able to find out.

[dusky solstice]

I'm reading some of the comments, and I don't relate to any of them

I don't think I have it

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction though

[peak sierra]

No prob, I thought it may at least rule it out.

I would do a lot of research though on how you feel and try piecing it together. It may take a long time but very worth it

[timber gull]

Tommy 💀

[heady hornet]

which apps do you use to track who's fronting?

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 2!

[heady hornet]

pls @ me

[timber gull]

@heady hornet simply plural

[heady hornet]

I tried

But idk

It didn't work for me

[timber gull]

You could also used pk, you can find the commands on the bots website

[heady hornet]

Yes I used that

Thankss

Maybe is a own server better

[timber gull]

Maybe
We have a server where we can communicate and update pk, but we haven't used it in a long time
The sysyem is going through a lot of changes and nobody can access front, so there's no point atm

[timber gull]

we have a discord server we all can talk in for our system? we also try to journal a lot

[timber gull]

"Who's fronting"
"Oh it's --"
No its not
Just too eepy to explain

[haughty rapids]

mood

[lament shoal]

Anyone want to see the picrews I made of the hosts?

[timber gull]

yeah! sure!

[lament shoal]

You got Apollo, the pure host (not really, but could probably get away with anything reasonable)

[weak basin]

GG @lament shoal, you just advanced to level 5!

[lament shoal]

Bec the raging queer and hair dye

Haven who is slowly getting better (yay for them!)

Kaleb one out of two excitable people

And maxwell, the other half of excitable people

[timber gull]

Aaaa that picrew is so cute! Yay for Haven! Everyone looks so awesome!

I want to make picrews of all my innersys friends now-

[sullen escarp]

Is there a chance I can get a link to this picrew?

[lament shoal]

Absolutely!

Can I DM to you?

[timber gull]

ohhh! us too please?

[lament shoal]

yeeee

[civic iron]

\ you can absolutely dm us

[lament shoal]

I can't sen dlinks here

Can I send to you too?

An doki

[timber gull]

yep thats just our account there!

[lament shoal]

OH okay!

[timber gull]

Thank you so muchhh! You're awesome 🌟 ‼️

[lament shoal]

no prob!

[timber gull]

me ‼️

Tobi! Love them need them in my life forever yk

[lament shoal]

I love these!

[timber gull]

And Lemon ‼️ My bestie 😍 🫶

And yep those two are my friends 🥰

Their avatars are not accurate lol 💀

[sullen escarp]

Can you dm it to me? I’m really sorry I was away from home when you asked

[lament shoal]

Of course! Don’t worry. You were busy so it’s no problem for asking later

[lament shoal]

Tell my psychiatrist about the system. Incredibly anxious but we think we can do it

Best of luck

[ocean monolith]

I just got diagnosed with DID its weird I didn't even know I had alters

What do I do now

[haughty rapids]

take it slow and process. definitely journal your feelings surrounding this diagnosis

[lament shoal]

Journal a bit and make it accessible to the others

Definitely respect them though if they journal

[timber gull]

Having a little at front
Having a little at front

[haughty rapids]

this is a mood

[serene scroll]

Hey, does anyone know how to cope with memory blanks when you switch alters? I had a whole day go because I switched pretty much between all of us all day and I had a test that day too so I have no idea if I passed or did well or not.

[tidal totem]

Ensure that the alters remember to write notes down about what's been happening throughout the day.

[weak basin]

GG @tidal totem, you just advanced to level 5!

[timber gull]

I hate it here

[civic iron]

Oh my god are you good

[timber gull]

I am horrendously stuck

I always get stuck, the brain hates me shjshshssh

[civic iron]

oh noooo 😭

[peak sierra]

How do y'all explore differences without subconsciously using the mask so you aren't different.

We are struggling with it hardcore

Theres so much fear around self exploration individually.

Pretty sure the higher ups in the sys also keep that going, but it's gotten tiring for literally everyone in the sys, Not to mention we start being hypercritical of ourselves

We feel if we work on this part of ourselves there will be less blending and better placed amnesia barriers per alter.

[nocturne hinge]

i saw a meme that was like 'I just woke up from a switch and my bf slept with my alter and he knew it wasnt me, I feel cheated on' i was howling laughhing

[civic iron]

Is that funny?

[nocturne hinge]

i have a bit of a broken sense of humor, i apologise if you didnt find this funny

[civic iron]

Eh? I just don't see the humour in it- I don't know if it was exactly offensive to systems per say but we didn't personally find it funny

[nocturne hinge]

i dont know if this is just me, but i laugh at jokes no one else thinks is funny? and then they feel offended and i feel really bad....

[civic iron]

I'm not sure if this is the chat to ask that, maybe a general chat?

[nocturne hinge]

im confused?

i was sending the message to relate to a previous msg i sent

regarding the contents of this chat

[civic iron]

Yeah I get that completely I just don't know how quickly you'd get an answer here /info

[nocturne hinge]

ahhh yea ok

[civic iron]

Systems in shambles frfr (send help /hj)

[timber gull]

Loving our new system name we just are the sticky notes we have a sticky note collection so we have become a sticky note collection

[timber gull]

thats an amazing system name!

[fading path]

im confused what is this? /genq

[civic iron]

Simply plural its an app to keep track of switches

[fading path]

Whats the numbers?

[peak sierra]

Its the time, number of hours I believe. The first would be 122 hours I think

[fading path]

Ohh

[peak sierra]

Yeah

The time they've been fronting is many days

[civic iron]

But we are un blurry un blendy now

[peak sierra]

Welll even though all say blendy foggy etc

[timber gull]

It's just me and Wilbur chilling rn

[fading path]

Also
How d o you know who's the host of systems??
And what even is a host

[timber gull]

The host is the person who handles day to day tasks

[peak sierra]

Host just means one who usually fronts a lot

if theres many hosts they are called CoHosts

[timber gull]

For us it's someone who fronts a lot and makes the main decisions for the system, we have 4 hosts at the moment

We have 4 hosts and 3 cohosts

[peak sierra]

Rip

Sounds like chaos

I became the host and then got booted from the IW and stuff cause I was digging too deep into things TvT

[fading path]

Damn

[fading path]

IW?

[peak sierra]

Inner world

Safe space where headmates reside when they arent in front

[fading path]

Ah

[wanton elbow]

Oh I didn’t know where was a system chat

Cool :D

[timber gull]

Welcome to the scooby gang

[wanton elbow]

Hallo

How are you?

[peak sierra]

@sage drift

[sage drift]

Ty!

[peak sierra]

Np!

[sage drift]

So I have a question about did, as a non did person

I don’t mean to come across as offensive in any way, and please let me know if I do, but are systems able to drive?

I’m just curious

[peak sierra]

Yes, they are, as long as an alter that knows how to drive fronts

Lots of systems do, some don't though

[sage drift]

What if you switch in the middle of driving?

I don’t know much about did sorry

[peak sierra]

Then probably an alter that knows how to would have to direct the one that doesn't. If its a quick switch generally thats fine but if its a long switch they'd need to pull over in order to switch

[sage drift]

Okay

Cool

Thanks

Now thinking about it I have so many random questions about how things work for systems

[peak sierra]

We would love to answer

We just don't proxy here

[sage drift]

What does proxy mean?

Sorry

[peak sierra]

Pluralkit

Using pluralkit, the profile is called a proxy

[sage drift]

Ok

[weak basin]

GG @sage drift, you just advanced to level 2!

[sage drift]

Thanks

Ok so questions

How do id’s, bank accounts, drivers licenses, legal documents, etc. work?

[peak sierra]

Same as usual but most systems do choose to change their legal name to a name everyone in the system agree's on

[sage drift]

That makes sense

[peak sierra]

Its all singular, just they all may have a different name and gender compared to what they had at birth, in order to make everyone comfortable

[sage drift]

I feel like it would be difficult to get a bunch of people to agree on a name

[peak sierra]

It really is. If they have a host or not.

If you want to know more info on systems as well, I would suggest checking out The Entropy System and The Rings System on YouTube

[sage drift]

Also, are there any instances where you guys don’t get along? Like are there any fights/disagreements between alters?

[sage drift]

Will do, thank you

[peak sierra]

Yeah, there can be loads of fights and stuff. We personally don't have many, but there are a few that've happened the past 3 years.

[sage drift]

Alright, I think that was all of my questions for now, Tysm for bearing with me here

[peak sierra]

If you have any more just ask here.

There would be a few systems who could answer you

[sage drift]

Ok, thank you

Have a good day

[timber gull]

ok i have two questions

1. do my headmates with birthdays age up after their birthday or do they stay the same age?

2. i have someone in my head that seems to be offended by my parents (specifically my mom) and the person is like insulting my mom and calling her things that she isnt to the point that i have to tell it to stop

so how do i know if that's an actual headmate or an intrusive thought? because i honestly cant tell

by the way, question number 2 has been happening my whole life

it's just now it's insulting my mom instead of just myself or saying something anxiety inducing

It depends! Just ask them if they feel that they age or not! Some of us do and some of us don't and some don't have birthdays at all :]

Bean ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) 1. do my headmates with birthdays age up after their birthday or do they stay the same age?

Could be a protector of some kind feeling threatened by your parents, try to empathize with them and find a healthier/kinder way of expressing their feelings

Bean ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) 2. i have someone in my head that seems to be offended by my parents (specifically my mom) and the p…

If it's a headmate it will feel the same every time, or have the same voice (unless it's multiple of them) and an intrusive thought usually has your inner-voice, it's hard to tell if you don't catch it the first time, but sometimes we try to reply to see if it's our silly brain or if it's Percy (>:[ Percy.)

Bean ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) so how do i know if that's an actual headmate or an intrusive thought? because i honestly cant tell

That tends to be how it goes, they've probably been around as long as you remember that happening!

Bean ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) by the way, question number 2 has been happening my whole life

[peak sierra]

Can be either, some stay the same, others can age up

Toby has a very good point about the second one. It is probably also been upset and hurt by the mother so they are lashing out and expressing their distrust

[civic iron]

\

[peak sierra]

OMG yesss

[wanton elbow]

That’s gonna end up being us 😭😭 /lh

We’re literally get a new headmate every day

[civic iron]

Thatw how it is though really 😭 in that discovery phase you're meeting someone new every single day

[wanton elbow]

Fr it makes me feel like I’m faking bc I feel like it’s like “ok so I have other headmates let’s make up another one”

[peak sierra]

If you realize that you as well are an alter in a system, then it may make it easier.

[wanton elbow]

Ok

[wanton elbow]

I act differently around my friends and I can’t control it like I’m just now noticing it and I don’t know why

So like my friends that I was usually really energetic around I’m not really energetic with them anymore

Like it’s not like I’m dissociating I just stopped caring about being interested around my friends like I’m annoyed by them or something and I feel guilty but again I can’t control it

Is this connected to DID?

[timber gull]

Depression maybe

[peak sierra]

Well it started happening when you started to realize you are a system. Definitely depression as well as being unsure they'll accept you.

[wanton elbow]

But the weird thing is I don’t really feel like that when I’m with my other friends

Like I only lost my energy with that group of friends

[peak sierra]

Maybe they aren't safe friends to hang out with?

Generally those who aren't safe, you start to feel drained by being around them.

Especially if you have to put on a mask of who you are around them.

[wanton elbow]

they're the same friend group that i told i go by they/them by

maybe me trying to me energized around them just drained me out?

[peak sierra]

Did they accept you as your pronouns almost automatically?

If not, they probably aren't the best of friends.

If they are accepting than idk.

Just be wary

[wanton elbow]

yeah they did

i mean two of my friends are pretty energetic so their energy is probably draining out mine or something idk how it works

[peak sierra]

Brain full, mind and thoughts empty

[jagged ferry]

Hey peeps

[wanton elbow]

Hallo

[jagged ferry]

Wyd

[wanton elbow]

Nothing much

We’re driving with our dad to go see a movie

Hbu?

[coral flint]

Idk if this is a common thing or not but we have a headmate that prefers to speak in another language and is kinda uncomfortable speaking in English?? It’s very confusing for our irl friends lol

[jagged ferry]

Nothing much

[jagged ferry]

We have some alters like that and it's completely normal it just depends on they system

[timber gull]

Hi

[timber gull]

Hello

[timber gull]

Hiis how’s yous?

Hi, I'm good, you?

I like your name 😄

[haughty rapids]

I know I'm the maker of the chat however, I would just like to clear up something. I originally thought I had DID because I was having severe depersonalization and derealization that alters the way I perceived myself and my surroundings. In regards to the we/us pronouns I used that because my dissociative symptoms were so severe that I did not fully associate my name and identity to myself and I used we/us because I did not associate with my she/her pronouns. While I am not a system, I fully support people with DID/OSDD. Sending love to everyone and have a good day/night/afternoon!

[timber gull]

I'm glad you figured that out! I'm sorry you experienced that though /gen

[sharp mirage]

hello

[timber gull]

Thank yous

Misha (They) [11 yrs old] | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I like your name 😄

[timber gull]

One of the Worst things about being a system who talks to ppl online is we have a Zara factive but she doesn’t feel like she’s “allowed” to talk online bc she doesn’t want people to hate the fact that she’s an introject of a famous person and isn’t exactly like said person she also just feels like the shouldn’t steal “real zara’s spotlight” or something and it’s sad 😔 -✨

[timber gull]

That's how we feel dammit and it's hard when it's a famous-but-not-so-famous-everyone-knows-them because then people are like you saw a rando on the internet and now you have an alter of them?

We have a littlsiha/avery factive and she's just started to become popular recently because she got into just dance but if you mention her irl only some people know who she is

[cursive blaze]

I am confused, I am not a system/bot so I don't understand why there is more than one person in one body. I am not judging I just never have encountered this. Is it a disorder or a life style?

[fading path]

Wdym system/bot?

They're not the same thing lol

The pluralkit bot is just to help system members differentiate themselves.

I'm not really sure how to explain it but i'm sure someone else can help you

[cursive blaze]

Oh sorry I thought they were the same

[fading path]

All good

[timber gull]

Yes it's a disorder- DID (dissociative identity disorder), OSDD (other specified dissociative disorder) and P-DID (Partial DID) can all create a system
UDD can too but it's more of the doctor being like "idk whats going on" so it doesn't always create a system it just means they have an unspecified dissociative disorder
TW mentions of dissociation, splitting, dormancy, and childhood trauma
||When a child is born their consciousness is split. These pieces of consciousness have different roles (ex. Holding emotions, completing a specific task). When the child becomes around 8 years old these parts merge to create one cohesive personality. When a child goes through severe trauma or truama that puts them in constant fight or flight the brain prioritizes surviving over merging the personality. This means that the parts never merge together, making there multiple states of consciousness. Over time these states form their own personality. These states are called alters. If alters do not form into a full, independent personality they may be referred to as a fragment. If the body believes it needs another alter (in times of high stress, retruamatizing experiences, taking on somethinf new in the outerworld, etc) new alters can split off. When an alter is no longer needed by the system they may go dormant or may fuse with another alter. There are brainmade alters and introjects (fictives/factives). Introjects are alters with an outside source, such as a character or even a concept or song. (Like we have an introject of the concept of abandonment.) Brainmade are alters without an outside source. This is just a base level explanation, because if I go into details like switching, innerworlds, consciousness/being co-con, if theres an original person/core, etc then different systems have different experiences. Being a system is a very diverse experience and Im just covering the facts.||

HamsterPouches ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I am confused, I am not a system/bot so I don't understand why there is more than one person in one …

[fading path]

Amazing explanation!! 💕

[timber gull]

Thank you :)

[cursive blaze]

Is it considered a mental illness or a disability

[timber gull]

Here's some terms that are used often in system spaces-
Fronting- Controlling the body
Conscious/co-con- Being concious of what is happening in the outerworld (do not have to be fronting for this)
Switch- When someone comes into front or takes over the front
Blending- When two or more alters personalities/opinions/etc blend together temporarily
Blurry- When it is hard to tell who is fronting/concious- may also be used as a "blurry innerworld" meaning it's hard to access/see the innerworld
Innerworld- The world inside of the brain, where alters usually are in some systems when not fronting, a system can have multiple innerworlds
Outerworld/shared world- What you would call the "irl world"- earth, the world outside of the body
Fusion- When two or more alters blend together permanently or close to permanently
Final fusion- When all alters are fused together- a goal for some systems
Empty system- A system that is in a state of final fusion, may still be able to split
Foggy- Used as an alternative to dissociated

If anyone else wants to add terms please do I'm drawing a blank

It is considered a mental disorder and not a mental illness in the fact that it is a permanent thing- it can be considered a disability as it can be disabling because of how disorienting it can be- and for the fact that some systems experience dissociative amnesia

HamsterPouches ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Is it considered a mental illness or a disability

Okay I'm going to stop typing now because our joints hurt bad

[cursive blaze]

Thank you for teaching me!

[civic iron]

\ ( Typed with voice to text) If you have any more questions, just feel free to dm us ( This is our base account) Even though we'll be at work, we'll reply after.

[timber gull]

Aaaaah- new alters go brrrrr

[coral flint]

Has anyone else ever had an alter split into three people? We had one that split into two aspects of her and herself and we didn’t know that could happen

[peak sierra]

Yep it can happen!

[timber gull]

We almost always split off in groups

[timber gull]

in our system, we have alters that split from other alters; not necessarily the host

[timber gull]

Us too, and we split into groups usually

[timber gull]

We have decided to work towards a final fusion (I think that's what it's called), does anyone have any advice?

[peak sierra]

Bonding with each other and interacting with each other really can help

As well healing any trauma one might hold onto

It's like being a ghost and finding peace

Just for example

[timber gull]

How do you introduce yourself to a parent figure as a fictive?

Like how do you explain fictive headmates in a way they'd understand?

[timber gull]

We told our mom that introjects/fictives/factives are just an alter with an outside sourcing

[candid nova]

So, a few days ago, I was on call with my friend and I regressed/switched and when he asked “me” my name, whoever was there said she wanted to be called Luna… not only is she a different age, gender/pronouns and name, but she also has a hard time speaking French (which I as Rin am fluent in) and has a thicker accent than I do. So maybe I might be a system…

[timber gull]

Are you guys also in a facebook DID group? XD

Rin (xe/they/it) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) So, a few days ago, I was on call with my friend and I regressed/switched and when he asked “me” my …

[candid nova]

Yes!

I posted about this early this morning

[timber gull]

Is it called "DID I say WE" ?

[candid nova]

YES! XD

[timber gull]

XD We recently joined that and saw your post lol

[hollow orchid]

Ok Im late arriving but yeah, I have haha
Trying not to though as Im trying to heal without outside resources (referring to me as plural kinda hinders it a bit for me idk why though)

[hollow orchid]

I'd say that thats a possibility that you should look into, but according to one of my friends who has DID (diagnosed), said that littles can name themselves. If you have memory stuffs when that happens, then def look into DID /lh /gen

[timber gull]

Alters can either come with a name or they can choose one

[hollow orchid]

Yup! I was just mentioning that little space can name themselves as well /lh /gen

[timber gull]

Oh, I didn't know that but makes sense

[hollow orchid]

Yeah, sorry abt that. Im not that great with explainations

[timber gull]

Oh yeah we have people who age regress and go by different names while little

[candid nova]

Yeah, we’re definitely a system even if Rin refuses to accept it. They know that it has memory gaps and stuff. But that’s also good to know! Thanks mate!
-Jack

Plus I’m proof. Regardless, they’ll probably figure out a way to say that I’m not real. The funny part though (at least to me) is that xeir really smart and know A LOT about OSDDID like they helped one of our friend find out that he was a system. But when confronted by our system friends with the fact that they’ve literally seen us switch, Rin says it’s impossible even if they know they have enough symptoms to be a system…
-Jack

[hollow orchid]

Yeah ofc!! I wish you guys the best of luck!

[timber gull]

Thanks!

[hollow orchid]

Any ways to become unblurry -Unknown (Blurry)

[weak basin]

GG @hollow orchid, you just advanced to level 7!

[hollow orchid]

(Im not gonna use my proxy lol)

Also please ping me if you respond

[hollow orchid]

nvm we figured it out

[fading path]

i often feel like everything looks like there's a black "overlay" on my vision, but also very bright at the same time. it also affects my reading comprehension (and just overall comprehension i guess) and it comes with the feeling of dissociation (i cant tell if its because of the vision or if the vision is because of dissociation. it feels like the 1st one but maybe im wrong). could this be a sys thing? like specifically in terms? sorry if this sounds dumb lol or if this is a normal thing for dissociation, no one ive told understands what i mean by this so might as well try asking here.. ive also heard that alters can have varying vision differences?? could it also be that? i feel really stupid asking this and have been putting it off for forever because it seems no one has any idea what im on about-

now that im thinking about it it could very well be an alter (i have someone in mind) - it usually happens when there are specific other things into play which i think are also triggers for them? idk though because i dont really remember 😭 🫠 ill try keep track of that more

(also i think ive recently realised that music is a trigger for us [i think] so idk what to do about that 💀 )

[peak sierra]

Ye! Triggers can be positive and negative and a good way to show you care about and are seeing their likes if you start doing what they like or even offer to help them or enjoy the activity with them

Music is a big trigger for us XD

[fading path]

yeah the thing is though we have an alter whos very depresso espresso and fae hates being in front especially when no one else seems to be there (i say seems because idk lol) because all fae have is faer mind and thoughts which isnt very good for faer 🫠 its kinda traumatizing for all of us 😭 well most of us

actually now im wondering why that was a reply to that message in particular

but anyway i also dont know what to do about that

[peak sierra]

depression holder

Also could be a trauma holder too

never know

[fading path]

i(?) have sent faer some messages though so when fae see it hopefully fae'll feel better?? i dont even know if faer capable of feeling better though 😭 i think usually "feeling better" for faer is just not being there

[fading path]

yea we're pretty sure thats the case 😭

and fae think so too

[peak sierra]

If fae have no positive emotions and seem very cold, neutral and distant they could be an apathy holder.

[fading path]

i forgot that was a thing

but yepp... that too 🫠

[peak sierra]

Ye!

Pluralpedia is a really good site just watch out for spiritual based and "will-o-" type stuff

[fading path]

ive only heard bad things about pluralpedia lol

[peak sierra]

It can be rather misleading in some areas

However we stole a lot of traumagenic roles for a new dictionary of our own

[fading path]

what does that mean

[peak sierra]

A lot of its good, just half of it can be not fun

Which part?

[fading path]

this

[peak sierra]

Traumagenic is what us systems are, thats how we distiguish ourselves from endogenics who purposefully make their systems and practice ||self-programming|| and gateways between 2 physical bodied systems where alters can 'travel'
Just a fancy way of rp/maladaptive daydreaming.

[fading path]

oh ik what traumagenic means i just didnt understand the sentence aka stealing roles for a new dictionary

[peak sierra]

But they do it due to either delusions or due to them genuinely thinking it'll help them get through trauma easier, or to be cool/make fun of it.

Oh we just copy pasted into a long discord channel in our private server. Took a bunch of the good meaning and helpful roles and their meanings.

[fading path]

ohh.......i still have no idea what you mean by that but to be fair im lacking in braincells atm so it might just be me lmao

[peak sierra]

Foggy brain is fun /sarc

[fading path]

fr

[peak sierra]

Just we wrote down the roles and definitions in a private server

[fading path]

i see

well i dont see but ykwim 💀

well

[peak sierra]

Ye your brains not registering it lol

[fading path]

that has a double meaning now bc my vision is impaired rn- anyway ill stop rambling XD

[peak sierra]

The sys life is really something different

[fading path]

xd

[peak sierra]

Brainfog be lit

[fading path]

slayyy!!!!!

[peak sierra]

mfn slayyyy

[fading path]

XD

[peak sierra]

Yaaaaaasss

We joke so hard about that but secretly wish we were a gorgeous drag queen sometimes

[fading path]

XD mood

[peak sierra]

Unfortunately my santa list of illness's say no

[fading path]

lmfao 😭 santa list

[peak sierra]

POTS and poss Tourettes are the top of the list for that XD

[fading path]

what does poss mean

[peak sierra]

possible

just shortened

We have a habit of talking that way

[fading path]

oh lol

[peak sierra]

I may not have the memories of doing it but I feel it in my core that the fact I just have an inner knowing about is correct

[fading path]

mood

omg i just realised how disinterested i sound sorry 💀 💀 💀

[peak sierra]

Used to it dw. /lh- lil sad

Besides I'm being silly and sarcastic while being tired

[fading path]

nooo

actually i was gonna say something a few minutes ago but for some reason decided not to so here it is now ig 💀
"xD you're fun i like you"

thats embarrassing lol (the way i worded that entire thing before giving you a sentence from the past 😭 )

pure tism right there

anyway ima do some picrews lol

evaporates

[peak sierra]

Lmao

I like that, its not bad

You guys are too

[fading path]

eeeee :3

[peak sierra]

Froggo's!!

[fading path]

Hehehehe

Frawg :3

[peak sierra]

Am I losing it or do I actually have a parame subsystem, its like a little world of different relationships I experience kinda like an otome (anime dating) game. Like I hear voice lines with images of places and activities I do not remember. I feel like I am spinning. It's not a full on thing but its like moments I'm able to see memories with each but they don't belong to any anime's or otomes, they just exist.

Its like a lil mental shift of perspective and memory

And I hear the voice lines as if they are encouraging me irl but they don't feel like alters. More like fragments that have specific roles and I'm seeing the memories in an MC perspective, not even what I look like in headspace.

It's so weird but so cool

They can only interact with me as if its an automated game thing and my 'actions' cause things to progress or go backwards.

I deal with MaDD apparently then TvT helppp meeee

[fading path]

I have no idea what a parame subsystem is but slay ig 😻

[fading path]

I have no idea what MaDD is either 😻

Also that's interesting

[peak sierra]

MaDD is maladaptive daydreaming disorder.

[weak basin]

GG @peak sierra, you just advanced to level 21!

[fading path]

Oh

Lol

[timber gull]

That moment when you have someone with a source but they arnt actually in the source 🥲

What's that supposed to mean? /genq

{🫀} • Ghost • {xie/xiem} ﹑ 🎠 ꜛ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) That moment when you have someone with a source but they arnt actually in the source 🥲

[hollow orchid]

I dont want to assume, but I think they mean like an oc or a fanmade character in the source, but not someone who is canon. /info

[timber gull]

Ah.

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) I dont want to assume, but I think they mean like an oc or a fanmade character in the source, but no…

[haughty rapids]

'][

sorry that was a typing tic

[timber gull]

That's interesting /gen

NeurodivergentGremlin ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) '][

[haughty rapids]

like the way it just apostrophe forward-backward 😭

[timber gull]

Lmao. Mood.

NeurodivergentGremlin ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) like the way it just apostrophe forward-backward 😭

[peak sierra]

Oc-tive most likely

[peak sierra]

Possibly. Lol

[timber gull]

I’m not an oc I don’t think I just happen to have a source as a brainmade alter it’s kinda like how some alters have multiple sources (sorry that’s confusing)

Seven (They/Them) | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Oc-tive most likely

[peak sierra]

No no its more of curiosity, I've heard of it.

I mean I am my own source as a brainmade alter but I also feel strongly attached to Vanny from FNAF SB

As if I am her.

However it could be a perma-fiction-kin

[hollow orchid]

Same here with other characters.

[peak sierra]

The more we realize we are a HC-DID system, the more it makes us so emotional about it.

Realizing that we probably went through some really not good stuff in order to control us, is scary and just so weird.

[timber gull]

God I've been fronting far too long

8 days ughhhh 😭

I'm just so very eepies

[coral flint]

He refuses to leave 🥲

[peak sierra]

Mood XD

[fading path]

Whats HC

[candid nova]

Highly Complex if I’m not mistaken

[fading path]

Oh

👍

[coral flint]

We just spent like an hour and a bit setting up pluralkit lmao

[fading path]

Yay

[peak sierra]

Highly Complex

It's based in a lot of trauma that is purposefully caused to control people and make them into systems/control the system that already exists.

I won't go into too much details as the topic is triggering.

[peak sierra]

A fellow Canadian!!

The timbbits

[candid nova]

Yup!

[tidal totem]

put most of our system videos/posts on private, as some alters weren't comfortable having people know (like family, friends and partner)

[timber gull]

What is it called when ur an introject of an introject? :/

Probably still an introject.

[peak sierra]

Depending what you mean.

Like how so. If you have a sys friend who has a fictive/factive and you get a split of that alter, then its automatically a factive.

Even if its a brainmade.

However if you have multiple splits of the same introject that is called a double.

[timber gull]

For me it’s who I’m an introject of was also an introject of something (like introject-ception yk?)

Seven (They/Them) | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Depending what you mean.

[peak sierra]

So you'd be a factive.

I'd think.

Unless its in a piece of DID movies. As its a fictional scenario, you'd be a fictive. But if you are an introject of an irl situation you are a factive, like if you have a youtuber/cosplayer introject that would be considered a factive.

Does that make sense?

If you are an introject of a friends/partners alter or even your partner themself, you are a factive.

Even if that alter is a fictive that your system split off, its still a factive because its not fully that character, its that other systems subconscious interpretation of that character.

[hollow orchid]

Wait hold on, that raises a question. So we have a fictive of Rosalina, but its from Dinobunny cosplay's MarioLore. What would that make Rosa? Fictive or Factive?

[peak sierra]

Factive I believe. Though maybe Fictive because of it stemmed from a media. But its also that cosplayers interpretation and may have fanbased lore.

You can also just say introject.

Fictives however can also be song/band/acting/aesthetic based

[hollow orchid]

It doea have fanbased lore, I think. Thank you though

[peak sierra]

Maybe AU Fictive I'd say

Cause we have a cosplayed version of the marionette from fnaf.

Also does this sound toxic?
"Why would it matter to know you each individually when I know you all as a whole?"

Said by our mom.

[fading path]

Uh.. Maybe..? Depends what she meant by it-

Idk I'm autistic

Lmao

[peak sierra]

The context is we want to get her to know each of us and our names and pronouns. And her response was because she knows us all collectively so why should it matter so much to us that she knows.

I think I just answered my own question.

Gods I am so freakin angry at her

[fading path]

Then yes

Actually put it like this

You wouldn't say that to multiple people standing in a room with you

Cuz that doesnt make sense

So why would it make sense for system members.

[peak sierra]

Good point actually. Thank you guys.

[fading path]

:D

[timber gull]

Yeah I’m like a introject of a fictional source but that fictional character had her own source that I assume to be a mix of fictive and factive

Seven (They/Them) | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Unless its in a piece of DID movies. As its a fictional scenario, you'd be a fictive. But if you are…

[timber gull]

Yeah, I think theres a word for it but brains like nope.

[timber gull]

Can we get name help. Thinking on Kasey but want fem-enby / androgynous.

[timber gull]

Clementine? Quinn? Riley? Sasha? Victoria? Levi? Alexander? Axel? Xavi? Atlas? Kai? Kaia? Kat? Kacey? Kamryn? Kameron? Kenzie? Kelsey? Kyra? Kira?

Valerian [Un/Dead/Undead] | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Can we get name help. Thinking on Kasey but want fem-enby / androgynous. 📎

[timber gull]

haha I’m too good

[hollow orchid]

Alr, so I have some news

I just told my sister that I'm a system and she said that its valid and that she might have a dissociative disorder 👀🥹

[peak sierra]

Thats awesome!

Not awesome you guys are both traumatized that much but yk what I mean

[hollow orchid]

Yee

[hollow orchid]

Is it possible for an Osdd-1b sys (like myself) to have a subsys?

[timber gull]

Yes!

It's Sidesystems that get more complicated than that.

[hollow orchid]

Ok, thank you so much!! I have reason to suspect that we have a subsys (Thank you Coda /sys)

[timber gull]

We have both Sidesystems and Subsystems

Our Subsystems tend to have OSDD-like symptoms whereas our Sidesystems tend to have HC DID functions.

[hollow orchid]

Ohhh, I see!! Thats really interesting!

[candid nova]

do any of you know if its possible for like 2 specific alters to like fuse and unfuse by will?

[timber gull]

Yes

the Timbit collective 🍁 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) do any of you know if its possible for like 2 specific alters to like fuse and unfuse by will?

This is called Temporary fusion

We have gone through it a lot. It happens for many different reasons too.

Mainly parts will temporarily fuse because they need pieces or information or more growth from each other but don't wish to fully combine just yet. Or they do want to fuse and it simply just didn't work.

As well some temporarily fuse to lessen the amnesia barriers between each other

Some also do it to stop from splitting

[candid nova]

Thank you so much!! -Jack

[weak basin]

GG @candid nova, you just advanced to level 3!

[timber gull]

No problem!

the Timbit collective 🍁 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thank you so much!! -Jack

[timber gull]

Should we create a system name based on:

• 1. Widely encompassing terms (ex; Infinite realms)
• 2. Something close that is a memory of our past (ex; Northern Lights)
• 3. Something based on chaos/eldritch creature themes
• 4. Something light and fluffy/to do with nature
• 5. Not have a system collective name at all except for Seven as the body's chosen name.

[Open to Suggestions as well]

Cause we like names with Squad, Syndicate, Collective at the end.

We just have so many sidesystems and subsystems its hard to know what to go for.

[coral flint]

I’d suggest maybe 1 or you could try and set up a poll and see how many people you can get to answer?

[rocky zealot]

mhh to me sound better 1 or 4 (mostly 4) :3

[hollow orchid]

I like 2 a lot!

[timber gull]

mee6 told me off for "saying the same thing" again but i didnt -_-

now i gotta type it all up again- sighh

OMG it happened again im gonna

Maybe type it piece by piece instead of all at once?

oki xD

how do u tell the difference between imagining things vs innerworld

(i dont mean imagining things as in "omg ur so delulu imagining things!!" i mean like LITERALLY imagining things)

and how do u tell the difference between random thoughts that pop up in ur head out of no where vs thought bleeding??

there we go xD

That one is a little hard to tell the difference with generally. Its generally the same thing but it feels different. When you imagine things you have more control of it, but when you see the innerworld and what it looks like and who does what its out of your control. Same thing goes for thoughtbleeding, the difference is what feel like its a part of you and what feels off and different and not very connected to you, as if somethings missing or not quite there. Generally iw stuff and alter stuff its out of the blue whereas daydreaming or other stuff is very much when you choose to. Though keeping in mind that thoughtbleeding may also resonate with how you feel/think. Maybe start asking yourself "Is this me or is this another [alter/headmate/sysmate]." And go to whichever you feel drawn to. And if its someone in your system maybe call into the headspace either using your inner monologue voice in the IW or body's voice in the OuterWorld.

• Silverpaw (She/Purr/Snow) [🐺❄] (Little) // TCC • ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) how do u tell the difference between imagining things vs innerworld

okieee

Blaire [She/Her] (Host) | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) That one is a little hard to tell the difference with generally. Its generally the same thing but it… 📎

ty

No prob!

[tight flax]

May i ask what a sidesystem and a subsystem are

I can just reaserch

[timber gull]

Yk how your system is, its got like one whole filled with lots of roles. Well theres many groups that may reside in different layers and places and they act as a separate system, and may switch out with the 'main' system for certain reasons. These would be sidesystems, they can either be aware or unaware of eachother. These are mainly for Highly Complex Systems.

A subsystem is where an alter has their own innerworld in their headspace body, and have sysmates a part of that mini headspace, where the body of that alter in the IW can either be a soma (a main identifying appearance) or they can swap appearances by who is fronting. Its like they all share an innerworld body. These are common in Complex Systems

rats will eat you ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) May i ask what a sidesystem and a subsystem are

[tight flax]

Oh wow

[timber gull]

Yeah, Subsystems are generally caused when an alter thats fully formed experiences more trauma causing them to shut down like a child does after inescapable trauma.

I do not fully know what causes Sidesystems though.

[tight flax]

Ah

[timber gull]

Mainly its for (tw ramcoa type alters) ||programmed|| groups

[tight flax]

Ah

[timber gull]

For us we experience shutdowns and ||spins|| if we dig too deep into things or talk about the ram word mentioned above.
We experience both Sidesystems and Subsystems.

[tight flax]

Oh wow

[timber gull]

Ye, anyhow if you have any more questions I'll see if I can answer them.

[tight flax]

Yea

[tight flax]

Hehe

[weak basin]

GG @tight flax, you just advanced to level 6!

[fading path]

Lmao

[dull hollow]

Can you explain what a singlet is? (I’m a wrestler I can only imagine it as a piece of gear for wrestling)

[civic iron]

Singlet is a non-system, someone without a system, someone not part of a system :)

[timber gull]

Calling me out. TvT

[The Notes] F; Ask ↩️

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[dull hollow]

Thank you

[timber gull]

Is it weird that I don't like mom using she/her for me but yet here I don't mind it?

It's so weirddddd

[timber gull]

I don’t think it’s weird, considering we have people that prefer being called different names by different people and pronouns could easily make sense especially considering different contexts those pronouns have been used in in the past

I suppose so.

Eva-she/they ↩️

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[timber gull]

no

Blaire [She/Her] (Host) | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Is it weird that I don't like mom using she/her for me but yet here I don't mind it?

[rocky zealot]

i think its a reaction due to trauma and stuff where do you want to be referred to / called, so you reject your own pronouns when said by her. i think its this. if not, you can see about your gender and / or pronouns

[timber gull]

Good point.

Leo |☀ Solar | @ping replies ↩️

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[timber gull]

My fav face claims but I don't know which one I should change my pk avatar to :(

i like the first one :3

Beverly Marsh <3 ﹑ 🎠 ꜛ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) My fav face claims but I don't know which one I should change my pk avatar to :( 📎

[rocky zealot]

first or third

[timber gull]

Second!

Also IT was a good movie. I'm sorry for what happened to you in your source.

[hollow orchid]

You look really pretty /p /gen

[timber gull]

Thank you for the sympathy but I don't need it I don't really like to think about my source much cus like I'm different /nm /info

Blaire [She/Her] (Host) | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Also IT was a good movie. I'm sorry for what happened to you in your source.

[peak sierra]

I 100% agree, I just know some fictives do get attached to their source and I wanted to let you know you are not alone if you need to talk about any of that stuff. 🙂

[peak sierra]

@whole steeple Whats COCSA? /gq

Like whats the CO part of that?

[whole steeple]

Child-on-child

Not a pleasant thing.

[peak sierra]

Oh. I'm sorry. /lh-gen

I hope you guys are able to heal from that.

[whole steeple]

thank y'all! ❤️

[peak sierra]

No prob!

[peak sierra]

I need name help!

[patent ether]

winter, shadow, lexi, elena

[rocky zealot]

lexi or elena fits nicely!

[peak sierra]

I found the name Eleven through your suggestions. I did pick winter as a middle name though.

[rocky zealot]

love that!

[whole steeple]

That looks great!

[timber gull]

Woah I just realized I’m 21 now (alterage)

[peak sierra]

That moment when you turn 21 bodily this year cries

[whole steeple]

ours is twice that age <<; lmao

[timber gull]

when? /nfta

🥀 Somehow Not Blaire 🥀 | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) That moment when you turn 21 bodily this year cries

October.

• ♡ Lila ୨୧ (She/Her/Doll) ୨୧ [🦢🍵] ♡ // TCC • ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) when? /nfta 📎

[timber gull]

ohh

Eleven (They/Them) [ISFJ-T] | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) October. 📎

Ye! We feel so olddd.

Am I gandalf yet lmao

[timber gull]

I have come to the realization that I am a part of Blaire but not, like a temporary merge with her but I stole fragments almost. Or maybe I'm a split off blaire.

Idk how to handle this information

[timber gull]

i think it’s okay to be a specific part of the host, you deserve a piece of space too and you can give her time to decompress and relax from the day-to-day life. leo also have a lot fragments, subsys and inner-sus (subsys in subsys). you are okay, its all okay, take your time to understand and be comfy with this new info. its going to be okay ^^

[timber gull]

Thank you

Aster (they/them) |☀Solar ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i think it’s okay to be a specific part of the host, you deserve a piece of space too and you can gi…

[timber gull]

Hehehhehe ash (/sys) made a pk avatar for Tobias (/sys) and it looks so good vdggfvfvdbbdb /vv vpos -✨

These are them and Tobias is currently using the second one gdggddgfgvfvfvvd -✨

[timber gull]

I just fronted and our hair is short again? Since when?

[fading path]

since ages im pretty sure /info

[timber gull]

I think our house could burn down and I wouldn't know 💀

I didn't even know we got broken up with? Like what

[fading path]

xD

[fading path]

oh dear

[timber gull]

Okay guys I'm just so lost on how to go about this 😭
So Ember was dating this one person (we'll call them R)
R is just now getting to know some of us better ykyk and we didn't know we were a system when they started dating R.
Well recently Ember and some others fused to make me and I am not comfortable continuing the relationship with R in a romantic way.. like what am I supposed to do here?? How am I supposed to bring this up?? 😵‍💫

Please @ us (react with 🔔)

[whole steeple]

lmao, try having your body be a child of the early '80s, growing up during the tech boom of the '90s, only to realize that the body turned 30 in 2013. 😂😭😅

[timber gull]

Pffft, you may be older than my mom or in around the same age. She turns 48 this year in september.

Nightingale System ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) lmao, try having your body be a child of the early '80s, growing up during the tech boom of the '90s…

[whole steeple]

that would be a mid-70's child xD; the body was born in '83, lmao

[timber gull]

Close enough, nvm it was 1976. Oops

[whole steeple]

xD yeeeah

[timber gull]

My brain broke

[whole steeple]

growing up in the 90's was fun as hell, though xD

[timber gull]

I bet. /hj

I mean 90's to early 2000's was me and my sibs.

My brother was born 1996 so lmao.

He got the tail end of the 90's

[whole steeple]

we started building our own computer in the late '90s, as we got old enough to understand what we were doing :3

[timber gull]

Hm our grandpa used to rebuild them as a side hustle.

Cool that you built your own.

[hollow orchid]

My mom and dad are still older. 67 (dad) and 54 (mom) ;-;
Body is turning 16 🥲

[timber gull]

Rip, they had you later in life then lol. My grandparents were born in 1963.

[whole steeple]

lmao

[timber gull]

That moment when you need to make a proxy and an sp for a new alter but she doesn't know her name just that it starts with M /nav

[timber gull]

It's totally fine to go by M

It's very cool and cute

[timber gull]

Wish I could go to the forest and meet cat friends. Becoming a warrior would be awesome.

[nocturne hinge]

wait like warriors? the series by erin hunter??

[echo cipher]

i have always used a mix of i and we, so i guess nobody questioned why lol.

[sacred ridge]

We managed to convince people it was an autism thing somehow

[timber gull]

aaaa i wanna come with uu

Briskpaw (They/Them) [Middle, OCtive] | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Wish I could go to the forest and meet cat friends. Becoming a warrior would be awesome.

[timber gull]

Yes

nona ✿ ♡ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) wait like warriors? the series by erin hunter??

[nocturne hinge]

Alright just checking lol, I love them!

[timber gull]

Ikr, we do it a lot

Jay.net ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) i have always used a mix of i and we, so i guess nobody questioned why lol.

[nocturne hinge]

I'm re-reading the first series rn

I read them in 2nd grade (when I was 8)

[timber gull]

We just got to the power of threee

[nocturne hinge]

Ooh!

My fav are the New Prophecy

Honestly it got confusing near the end lol

I actually don't think I've read the new book

Oops I better get on that lol

[timber gull]

Lmao

I really need to catch up. I mean I got most of the lore but not fully

[nocturne hinge]

The lore is seriously cool!!

I got so captivated that I cried at certain parts

May just be me though

[timber gull]

Yes!

Ikr! We love looking at all the bio's to warrior cats on the wiki.

[nocturne hinge]

Omg same!!

[timber gull]

I know its cheating but stilll

[timber gull]

aaa we used to do that all the time xD we've only read the 1st series and most of the 2nd series but got bored of it TwT

Briskpaw (They/Them) [Middle, OCtive] | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Ikr! We love looking at all the bio's to warrior cats on the wiki.

[civic iron]

Our alter count is down to ~41 which is lower than it has been in like forever!! 🩷

[peak sierra]

Minus 41? How's that possible?

[hollow orchid]

I think that means roughly 41 /info /lh

[timber gull]

As the duck lord said, roughly 41 =)

🖤🧸 707 Cryptid Plushies 🧸🖤 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Minus 41? How's that possible?

[peak sierra]

Ohhh I see,

Makes a lot more sense, I was like, how on earth can you have lower than 0 system members? Impossible.

[timber gull]

Yeah I get where the confusion came from!

[timber gull]

That moment when you realize you have to be in front w the wolf alters cus ur the only person that can actually understand their body language and the only person who prevents them from getting in trouble and also you need to be in front so they can actually talk /nav /pos(?)

[hollow orchid]

Yeah, I gotchu. I have a dog alter due to some spicy things and I've always had to front with him

Everything okay? Do you need any assistance? -Bax

also: /nfta and /gq

[weak basin]

GG @tidal totem, you just advanced to level 8!

[hollow orchid]

Maybe you're dissociated? /lh

Is it ok if I give advice for maybe helping? /gq

I reccommend grounding techniques and if you have good communication with your alters (its ok if not) then you can possibly ask whats going on as well

[timber gull]

Can a brainmade alter have memories from a source that does not exist?

Like its weird I remember living at a monk monastery my whole life. Then basically travelling and becoming an immortal goat being of some sort.
I am a brainmade alter though and I don't have a fictional source.

[fading path]

XD

[fading path]

i think so

[sacred ridge]

Yes, we had a brainmade who remembers almost everything that happened before he split
He remembered his whole life
He even remembered how he got here.. kinda?
He was ||dying|| and everything went white
He thought he was gone or passed out or something, but then his eyes adjusted to the light, and he saw our innerworld "spawn point"

[timber gull]

Huh

Aint that just peculiar. Unsure why that happens.

[echo cipher]

Brain made alter here, in my experience absolutely. our brain has actually made up a source that at least 5 of our alters come from. its disorientating and quite frustrating but im glad to know im not alone

[sacred ridge]

Just told our boyfriend about us being a system, and whike he doesn't fully understand, he's really trying to :( /pos

[hollow orchid]

Im glad he's at least trying to though!! /gen

[weak basin]

GG @hollow orchid, you just advanced to level 9!

[echo cipher]

im sure it will just take some time and education/pos

[hollow orchid]

I agree

[timber gull]

That silly moment when you spend 30 minutes trying to find a faceclaim that looks good 💀

[timber gull]

Pfft, us but over 30 mins XD

Hanna Morganthal 🏥 she/her ﹑ 🎠 ꜛ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) That silly moment when you spend 30 minutes trying to find a faceclaim that looks good 💀

[timber gull]

Is there other systems that split off fragments that are like…i don't wanna say temporary but essentially that's what they are cus they eventually after completing a task go dormant or fuse /genq -✨

[hollow orchid]

Yup!! Some people in sys say that I am one ;-;

[timber gull]

Yep!

✨Orbeez✨ ﹑ 🎠 ꜛ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Is there other systems that split off fragments that are like…i don't wanna say temporary but essent…

Honestly thought we were the only ones

[timber gull]

anyone else have people who just don’t have emotions?? Like im one of them and idk if that counts me as a fragment or not either

[fading path]

yes. apathy holders

[timber gull]

ok thanks /gen

• TCC • ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) yes. apathy holders

[timber gull]

Is it Normal at all to say "We really shouldn't ever fall for [Person close to us]"?

Or is that a secret sign of something?

Cause a person we view as a chosen family member who's close to the body's age is who we said it about and now we are concerned.

Their name is Mortem. Which is actually really cool.

[timber gull]

One other thing, do fictives have to keep their name?

[sacred ridge]

Absolutely not, you're your own person, be your own person

If you want to change your name, develop an entirely different style, cut and/or dye your hair, literally anything, do it

Don't let a source limit who you can be

[timber gull]

Thank you!

Really considering the name Sirius

[sacred ridge]

I love that name, if you do decide to use it let us know :] /nf

[timber gull]

Thanks. I like Ticcy Toby but Toby just doesn't sound right to me.

I may take suggestions too.

[sacred ridge]

You look kind of like a Crowley, it's completely up to you though

[timber gull]

Oo Honestly yeah I totally see it.

[coral flint]

Having too many people in co front makes us look kinda crazy cause someone will say the weirdest thing and then someone else will just look really confused..

[fading path]

no fr tho 💀

[coral flint]

Yeahhhh

[timber gull]

This! XD

supreme egg [SYS] (pref.no@) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Having too many people in co front makes us look kinda crazy cause someone will say the weirdest thi…

[rocky zealot]

frrr !

[coral flint]

…gatekeeper moment

[timber gull]

I watched Hazbin to episode 6. Got a bit triggered and I fused with a bunch o others.

[timber gull]

Fragments but yeah

[timber gull]

That silly moment when ur chatting w each other using pk and it’s funny cus it’s almost like ur having a convo w urself but not at the same time

[coral flint]

When you realise there’s both an alter with your collective deadname and your collective chosen name that actually only fits one person and suddenly you don’t know if everything is different or your brain is just clinging to the past /nav

[timber gull]

Maybe they are just that way and not 'clinging to the past'
It's ok for that to happen. Try not to judge them for doing so..

supreme egg [SYS] (pref.no@) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) When you realise there’s both an alter with your collective deadname and your collective chosen name…

[sacred ridge]

Does anyone have any name recommendations for her?

[patent ether]

star, mya, ellie, lola, annie, bethia, bea (ping me if you want any more!!)

[sacred ridge]

Do you have more names similar to ellie and bea?

[patent ether]

mollie, clarice, emily, ella, bex/becca, evelyn, sammy, thea, emris, elodie, eloise, tia

i love thinking of names so i’m happy to do this for anyone if you give me a picture/picrew 🫶

[sacred ridge]

Evelyn and sammy are both nice

Could I use both?

[patent ether]

yeah!! of course :))

[sacred ridge]

Okay, thank you :]

[echo cipher]

can you do her? Shes new and has no ideas lol

[sacred ridge]

Can I suggest Skunk
I know it's a bad name but they genuinely look like they woukd consider that name at least once in their life (I mean that in a good way I swear)

[timber gull]

That silly silly moment when the whole chaotic friend group is in front together 💀

[peak sierra]

Woah, she looks so epic!

[echo cipher]

thank you :) heres one of her not chibi

[echo cipher]

i will relay to her :) thank you for the sugestion

[peak sierra]

Wish we could draw that good. Someday we will get there.

[echo cipher]

Yall will get there! just be paitent with yourself

[patent ether]

sky, lexi, sam, sophie, connie, esther, allie, shara, lana, talia, raven, millie

[echo cipher]

Thank you :) i'll update when i have an answer

[patent ether]

sounds good!! hope she likes them :))

[echo cipher]

im sure she will, very enthusiastically at that

[mint ocean]

Question, so for the tags, the one DID/ OSDD. We are unsure if it’s okay to press it, as we have had multiple therapist and trained professional as well as done testing for DID, but we are too young to get an official diagnosis.

[timber gull]

It's ok to press it if you aren't diagnosed yet.

Jax ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Question, so for the tags, the one DID/ OSDD. We are unsure if it’s okay to press it, as we have had…

We aren't

[timber gull]

Name suggestions?

[mint ocean]

Thank you for answering! 😁

[timber gull]

No prob

Jax ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thank you for answering! 😁

[patent ether]

art, cassie, lydia, cissa, sami, callie, edie, frankie, izzy, jace, kitty

[timber gull]

Izzy and Jace? Are you watching Shadowhunters?

luca ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) art, cassie, lydia, cissa, sami, callie, edie, frankie, izzy, jace, kitty

[patent ether]

haha no!! i just thought jace sounded cool and i know an izzy :))

that’s a coincidence lmaoo

[coral flint]

The more stuff we find out the harder it is for some of us to deny being a system lol
Like we started taking those personality tests and got way different answers and it’s just nice to have something like that to remind us we’re valid (:

[echo cipher]

our gf can smell the difference between alters, and sometimes we notice too. its hard to invalidate yourself when you front and you smell different naturally

[timber gull]

Wait it does exist?? Awesome! - Pidge

NestOfJay ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) our gf can smell the difference between alters, and sometimes we notice too. its hard to invalidate …

[echo cipher]

yeah, she says that our child alter smells like a child, our 20-something year old smells like more musky. she can identify frequent frontiers through smell as well. its really cool honestly

[timber gull]

We have that with ourselves

NestOfJay ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) yeah, she says that our child alter smells like a child, our 20-something year old smells like more …

I wonder if others notice it

[timber gull]

Is it weird that even though I'm Aro that I'm jealous of others who have partners?

[fading path]

1. nonromantic relationships exist
2. the cupioromantic label also exists
3. maybe you're not exactly jealous that they have partners but rather wishing you felt as close to someone like they do

[timber gull]

Very good points. I suppose.

[fading path]

just ideas, they don't have to be right

[timber gull]

They are quite, unsure on Cupioromantic, maybe thats me.

• TCC • ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) just ideas, they don't have to be right

The last part does call me out a bit I guess.

[coral flint]

Omg that’s so cool

[timber gull]

I forgot to censor gummies one more try lol-

Any faceclaims similar to this one I can use? (Censored for art depicting ||blood||)

[sacred ridge]

OOO
I don't have anything but they are very pretty

[timber gull]

How do you figure out a role when you don't quite fit any others and can't see or remember the innerworld?

As a large sys we feel a bit odd about roles

[timber gull]

You absolutely do not need to have set roles /gen
For us our roles look more like "Managers, supervisors, employees" because that's what works for us

Yeah thats kinda how it feels. Some of us have roles like managers and protectors and other roles they already know but idk my role really

Just like to fix things in the outer world so I thought technician

Also in source too I did that

That seems fitting then! :)

Honestly we used to just make our own roles all the time

If you don't mind me asking, how big is the system?

Pidge (They/Them) [Technician] | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) As a large sys we feel a bit odd about roles

... probably over 100 members, we haven't counted properly in a good while.

Hito {lillypad sys🪷} ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) If you don't mind me asking, how big is the system? 📎

We are a Highly Complex (HC-DID) System so

Just thinking about that makes my head hurt

we are a fairly small system

Lucky for us we can't hear or see or remember our innerworld so. haha. It makes it easier on front but complex to do member counts and see who is still around and who is dormant so to speak.

Or just have in sys relations except in the front. I mean some of us are given little pieces of info here and there but mostly all dark and blocked off.

We can feel it there is the weird part.

[hollow orchid]

Yeah, I get that. Im a semi large system (Headmate count fluctuates currently 30+). I don't remember the innerworld, but I should probably not give feedback because of the different structures between OSDD-1b and DID /lh

[coral flint]

Wdym by different structures? /gen

[hollow orchid]

Like both thw conditions have different distinctions in the brain and have different structures on how it works

(I am so sorry in advance if I dont make sense, I got 4 hours of sleep cuz a headmate wouldnt let me sleeo until I got homework done /sys /gen)

[timber gull]

Haha, well at least it was productive. Hope you get some sleep soon.

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) (I am so sorry in advance if I dont make sense, I got 4 hours of sleep cuz a headmate wouldnt let me…

[hollow orchid]

I hope I do as well lol! Thank you

[coral flint]

Yeahh ok

[timber gull]

What do you mean by different distinctions though. I get the different structure of like the amnesia etc.

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Like both thw conditions have different distinctions in the brain and have different structures on h…

[hollow orchid]

Sorry, I have no clue what I was talking abt ;-;

[timber gull]

That's ok

I was like; "Aren'tthose the same things?"

[hollow orchid]

I mean, they technically aren't... its confusing. -Liv

[timber gull]

Not sure if we’ve just gotten a subsys or two alters that work together in one body? Because they’re a fictive of pluralkits mascot and they act like two different people in the same body and that’s what it looks like to us? Just kinda confused and looking for advice

[timber gull]

If they have an IW body that they share then they are a subsys

Kayden-he/him ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Not sure if we’ve just gotten a subsys or two alters that work together in one body? Because they’re…

[timber gull]

Yep ok

Ty!!

[sacred ridge]

Peekaboo!!
Goober can't remember their name and it's making them panic, so they can't think of more
Could you help?

[fading path]

(i know you asked luca but here's some names i think suit them, no pressure if they don't like them)
Cedar
Olive
Wren
Aspen
River
Basil
Sage
Robin
Haze or Hazel
Auburn or Aubrey
Autumn
Brook
Wesley
Rowan
Parker
Arlo
Beckett

[timber gull]

Wren and Beckett are nice but they don't exactly fit if that makes any sense?

Cedar is nice too, but same deal as the others

[timber gull]

Never mind, I found a name
Thank you though!

[patent ether]

ah glad you’ve got one :)) /pos

[timber gull]

check 2

need to edit that

[timber gull]

I feel like I should fuse but I feel like a coward for thinking it'd help more than being here, Don't think I will but just wanted to see others opinions on it.

[tight flax]

Pk; system servertag ||ratbags

[faint solstice]

✅ System server tag changed (using 9/79 characters). Member names will now end with ||ratbags when proxied in the current server 'Zarorah’s Lily Pond'.

[timber gull]

Apologies for asking so much but our Angel Dust wants to seperate from his source and wants a new name, something similar to Anthony but not related to the show of possible

[timber gull]

Yeah we know that pain

[patent ether]

aster, ebony, archie (sorry, the name inspo isn’t working today 😭)

[hollow orchid]

Maybee Arty/Artie, Alex?

Idk where Alex came in my brain

[timber gull]

Thank you guys, he really likes archie and arty/artie

Anarchy, Emmett, Azra, Azriel, Aero, Axel

[hollow orchid]

Yay!!!

[timber gull]

Name suggestions?

Water/air/nature based
Kinda likes Minnow
Likes flowers, rare names, cute things, spontaneity.

[fading path]

Adair
Aella
Anemone
Araceli
Aria
Athena
Aurelie
Bayou
Coral
Cordelia
Cascade
Damilia
Eden
Juniper
Mae
Maia
Marina
Meena/Mina
Millie
Nina/Nyna
Opal
Talia/Tali

[timber gull]

Koi (this is all i got lmao)

[patent ether]

luna, lily

[timber gull]

Thank you all, just saw this. I'll Show it to them and see what they like

[echo cipher]

Update for anyone who remembers when I asked for name suggestions, our alter chose Skunk as her name. Tha k you all for the suggestions

[timber gull]

Lmao, funky name but super cool

[timber gull]

I'm glad she liked my suggestion :]

[sharp mirage]

Hi, I’m a new alter idk what to do here you all seem fun -Evie

[sharp mirage]

My name is Evie too!

[timber gull]

.....That's a concerning coincidence.

[hollow orchid]

Any book themed fem or masc names? We have a few who want names

[timber gull]

Astoria was the first name to come to us.
Vivian
Lillian

Percy
Halo
Milo
Emmett
Chase

Mercy

Vast

[hollow orchid]

Ooo those sound great! I'll check with them!!

[timber gull]

Aight!

[timber gull]

Check

yay

[weak basin]

GG @jagged ferry, you just advanced to level 8!

[timber gull]

That sad moment when u don have that many faceclaims 😭

Anyway if anyone has some that look like me I’d love that sm!

[sharp mirage]

How do you guys use pk?

[peak sierra]

Pk;commands

[faint solstice]

Available command help targets: system, member, group, switch, config, autoproxy, log, blacklist.

• pk;commands <target> - View commands related to a help target.

For the full list of commands, see the website: https://pluralkit.me/commands

[timber gull]

Go to the website

Flora system ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) How do you guys use pk?

It'll help

[sharp mirage]

I tried to do so but I’ll do it again

Thank you

[hollow orchid]

So for a few years I've been looking into DID/OSDD and have been thinking that I might have OSDD-1b, but quite recently it has come to my attention that the host is kind of always present, but even then, theres still a bit of amnesia, and oftentimes the host can't remember things. Only some headmates remember the trauma, whereas the host only remembers what happened, but none of the details. Is it DID or OSDD?

And Ik you all aren't health professionals (but I still love you guys /p), but I appreciate a lot to hear others experiences. /gen

[timber gull]

I like to believe that DID and OSDD-1 are the same disorder on a spectrum, because isn't the point of therapy for DID to try and break down amnesia barriers, making it more like OSDD-1 anyhow?

[timber gull]

I'm unsure cause when the host can't/can't fully leave front usually thats how PDID is

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) So for a few years I've been looking into DID/OSDD and have been thinking that I might have OSDD-1b,…

As far as what we've collected but yeah

[hollow orchid]

Oh! I'll probably check out P-DID, then. I just wanna find out whats going on medically speaking. Thank you!! /gen

Update: I just looked at a few articles and I'll do a bit more research soon, but yea it checks out on my end lol

[timber gull]

Oh yeah! It makes sense. No problem. 🙂

[coral flint]

People keep mentioning things that happened like a few years ago and so many times I’m just like wait what? Cause I have no memory of it and it’s really uncomfortable not remembering so many random chunks of every year

[timber gull]

We deal with that constantly and just go with the flow of here and now cause its the only thing we can control

supreme egg [SYS] (pref.no@) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) People keep mentioning things that happened like a few years ago and so many times I’m just like wai…

[leaden plank]

This is a question for whom wishes to answer, but are alters in a system like a hivemind, coherent to eachothers existence? It’s a question i’ve had for quite sometime when I began to interact with disabled discordian’s and join these type of servers. Such as for example the use of pluralkit, when I read something or watch a movie that uses medical references to represent a character with DID they never know about the fact it’s happening, unless of course made aware by someone else.

[timber gull]

They definitely can be, especially with things like covert switches and passive influence.

Tardieo ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) This is a question for whom wishes to answer, but are alters in a system like a hivemind, coherent t…

Most times at the beginning you don't know. Sometimes systems are able to hear their fellow headmates, other times not, it really depends on the systems functions. All systems are different.

The whole part of DID and OSDD is to hide the trauma and hide the fact you are traumatized.

Generally it comes with amnesia whether you experience switches or not. Unless you are like OSDD 1b (I believe) and don't have much amnesia

But its really how the brain percieved what happened and how it dealt with it

Yep, osdd-1b has a lot less amnesia

Blaire [She/Her] (Host) | 707 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Generally it comes with amnesia whether you experience switches or not. Unless you are like OSDD 1b …

We only have grey-out

Yay! I was right!

⊹ Charlie !! He/Any Neos ‹3 ⊹₊˚ 💌 ᵎᵎ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Yep, osdd-1b has a lot less amnesia 📎

What's greyout amnesia again?

I know we've heard of it and looked it up and thought we had it at some point

When you can remember for a short period of time, but then it gets really fuzzy and then you forget

Oh, yeah thats somewhaat us.

[leaden plank]

Intreseting

[timber gull]

Either that or the memory is very fragmented/gappy
Sometimes I forget that part

⊹ Charlie !! He/Any Neos ‹3 ⊹₊˚ 💌 ᵎᵎ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) When you can remember for a short period of time, but then it gets really fuzzy and then you forget

Not completely but we do have those as we can have like partial switches that we don't realize happen and then not remember what we said/did

[leaden plank]

Thanks for the reponse! 😃

[timber gull]

No prob! Feel free to ask more questions!

Tardieo ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Thanks for the reponse! 😃

[heady hornet]

Is it normal to forget completely really quickly?

So basically I'm from Jamaica born and raised and when was living there my house was on a hill. I was at the top of the hill when my dad's friend was passing and stopped to tell me a message for my dad. It takes about 10 seconds probably less could take 5 seconds if you jog to get from the top of the hill to the bottom. I walked down and by the time I got inside I forgot everything. Now for how I remember this, I only remembered when my dad brought it up. I almost cried but I ignored it. That has happened some other times. But I don't know if it's happened more and I just don't remember. Which is fun! /sarc

Side note: I'm questioning if I might have a dissociative disorder. I'm trying to do research and ask questions, until I can seek professional help.

[timber gull]

Yes it is.

Sincere_melody ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Is it normal to forget completely really quickly?

So basically I'm from Jamaica born and raised and…

It's normal for Dissociative disorders to forget things.

But not normal for those without trauma to experience to that level.

Also if its a traumatic event its more than likely you'll have some amnesia and dissociation around it. Yes even things not related to you directly can affect you.

[heady hornet]

Oh fun /sarc. Back to doing research ig... Thank you! /gen

[timber gull]

Lmao, good luck. It's torture figuring it all out, but you got this!

Sincere_melody ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Oh fun /sarc. Back to doing research ig... Thank you! /gen

[heady hornet]

Thank you so much! /pos /gen

[timber gull]

No problem! /gen

[fading path]

relatable ‼️

[heady hornet]

Has anyone ever just been on the verge of unconsciousness when going to sleep and heard someone shout or like a conversation happening inside your head without your knowledge?

That happened and it scared me awake and then I heard "Alaine" and I knew how it was spelt and then I fell asleep a little later.

She was shouting at someone by the way telling him to shut up. I say "him" but I don't know who "him" is but I know it was a "him" it was in like a spaceship that I've seen before.

Wanted to check if that's normal or what. I'm getting more research done I'm researching passive influence right now.

[fading path]

That could just be hypnagogic hallucinations /lh /info

[heady hornet]

Oh yea I heard of that, but I talked to someone I trust and told them other situations which over time I'm willing to share here and they gave some great advice but thank you! /gen

[weak basin]

GG @heady hornet, you just advanced to level 2!

[heady hornet]

Also I looked up hypnagogic hallucinations and there isn't to my knowledge anything that could cause that but thank you for letting me know possibilities as I said above! /gen /info /pos

[timber gull]

Heyo

[hollow orchid]

Hello!

[fading path]

Hi

[timber gull]

How’s life?

[fading path]

Good ish but i'm trying to find a name for myself and apparently the first thing i thought of is an offensive word so that's nice /s

Lol

[timber gull]

I’m not sure I quite understand

[fading path]

Which part?

[timber gull]

finding a name for yourself. I’m what sense?

[fading path]

Uh.. in a name sense? Lol

Like how your name is Hito

[timber gull]

ohhhhhh

[fading path]

Lol

[timber gull]

I am sorry

[fading path]

Lol dw we get confused alot too

[hollow orchid]

Life is fine! Being temp host sucks sometimes. -Marjorie

[timber gull]

real

The Duck Lord ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Life is fine! Being temp host sucks sometimes. -Marjorie

I hope it gets better

[hollow orchid]

Thank you

All Im hoping is that the host comes back sooon. I hate doing homework

[timber gull]

lol

[hollow orchid]

Anyways how about you?? Hows life?

[timber gull]

life’s alright. I’ve been fronting more so, that’s something.

but I agree school work sucks

[hollow orchid]

Yess!!

[timber gull]

although Owen complains the most, since he’s 19 he says that he shouldn’t have to do school.

lol

[hollow orchid]

Ohh I get that. I'm more or less an adult. I don't think I have an age tbh

[timber gull]

I am 16, so almost the bodies age

but the system ranges anywhere from 6 to 21 and ageless, for the most part at the moment

unless you count when angel’s age slides to around 2-3 years old

[hollow orchid]

Oo!! Body is almost as old as you. Turning 16 in a few weeks!
I think we have 0- Ageless

[timber gull]

hi

[heady hornet]

[timber gull]

how are you?

[fading path]

anyone know what ages DID/OSDD can form? i forgot sorry xD

[timber gull]

9 and under typically

Sometimes as late as 10 or maybe 11, depends on how fast your brain develops

[fading path]

okayy ty! :3

[heady hornet]

👍how are you?

[coral flint]

So one of our fictives wants to try and change his name cause of something his source did but is really struggling, was hoping to get some name suggestions?
Anything similar to will lol
Tw:smoking

[tight flax]

Any tips for calming down a truama holder little who has just been freaking out trying to get everyone to safe places?

And is like trying to make sure everyone is safe, and not in ‘bad place’

[heady hornet]

William, Wilfred, Wilhelmina, Wilma, Willard or Willeke.

Liam
Noah
Oliver
James
Elijah
William
Henry
Lucas
Benjamin
Theodore
Mateo
Levi
Sebastian
Daniel
Jack
Michael
Alexander
Owen
Asher
Samuel
Royal
Ethan
Leo
Jackson
Mason
Ezra
Hudson
Luca
Aiden
Caleb
Cooper
Lincoln
Nicolas
Maxton
Thatcher
Wallace
London
Kayce
Chosen
Eithan
Amiri
Iris
Jairo
Karim
Kylo
Rhodes
Saint
Iker
Khai
Bear
Everest
Alfred
Duncan
Murphy

[heady hornet]

Maybe try to assure and show them that everyone is safe. Like gently coaxing them into realizing that everything is fine and no one's in danger. Try to be as calm as possible and clear headed otherwise more panic might ensue. I can only think of gentle coaxing

[tight flax]

Thabks il use that in the future more

[timber gull]

Nicknames for the name Eternity?

Eta is the only one I can think of lol

[fading path]

terra/tera/teri/terri/terry etc

[timber gull]

Found the name Etchy lol

Uhh looking for one more name suggestion.
Unique and unisex names. Likes Gems/Crystals and flowers and space.

[sullen escarp]

Sage , Fern, Basil are all unisex from what I know and are nature based! ^^

[timber gull]

Pluto, Neptune, Herb, Abalone (name of a crystal, paua shell), Azure/Azuri (azurite)

[peak sierra]

I like Azuri

[lament shoal]

Does anyone here know where I can do the pk bot commands? I want to use it so bad but I can't seem to find the channel

Pings for this are okay

[muted dew]

#🦋bot-channel

[peak sierra]

Also you can make your own server and add pk and do it that way

[lament shoal]

Oh thank you!

[timber gull]

Thanks y'all

[peak sierra]

No problem.

[heady hornet]

So I need advice on a "friend" kinda acquaintance that decided to label themself as a system. They didn't get a diagnosis but I would never fake claim someone because I don't know what's going on in someone's head but from what she told me and the research I've done I don't believe it's possible. She only has 1 alter that only appears when she's not doing good mentally. I don't want to say it's bit possible even though from what I've learned you can't just have one alter which is probably wrong. I just told her to hold off on labels and I can do more research to try and help her. But from what she's telling me from questions I've asked, there's no losing time, no saying we, no apparent passive influence, no more than one alter that is barely there, no dissociation. Nothing I don't think she is but obviously I'm not a professional so I can only give advice from my experience and I don't know what to do.

Please ping me with answers

[coral flint]

Not sure about everything here, but I will say a system can be just two alters /lh
I don’t feel confident enough to try and say whether the rest is possible or not :,)

[heady hornet]

I mean there is her the host and then one other person

I prefer (part incharge of daily living) as opposed to host but for this I'm just saying host

[civic iron]

Okay so systems absolutely can consist of just the host and one other alter, it does happen. That's two alters, that's more than one, that's still a system in that case /npa /info
It's hard to identify losing time, passive influence, and dissociation especially at the beginning- not all systems even experience losing time and passive influence, and dissociation can be mild most of the time for some systems
Listen to your friend and let them know that you'll be there for them (that includes if they end up choosing not to get diagnosed because diagnosis can cause tons of issues down the road)

Also don't interrogate them, you don't know what they've gone through or what they're going through, especially since you didn't even call them a full friend but an acquaintance

[peak sierra]

Is it ok to not know who you are but know a lot about the system and also be afraid of figuring out who you are?

[civic iron]

Absolutely :)

[peak sierra]

How do you cope with it?

I don't know why I'm scared of knowing my name.

[civic iron]

Take it moment by moment, take deep breaths, and acknowledge that you're doing good at being strong through this
When you do figure out who you are know that you don't have to worry about every little detail, know that everything will work itself out and that you will come out okay in the end

[peak sierra]

Thank you. I'm just not sure what to do, I feel so scared internally of everything, though crying it out kinda helps. Think I'm just sad.

[heady hornet]

Ok she asked me to ask her some questions and share my experiences with her. I acknowledge that every system is different and I already told her that I would be here for her if she has any questions but told her told hold off on a label for now as jumping to that could be confusing and messy. She agreed and another system also told that there could be only her and the other. She said that there hasn't been any evidence of missing time or memory gaps /npa /gen /lh /nbr /info

[civic iron]

We also said there hasn't been any evidence of missing time or memory gaps while being handed concrete evidence by our therapist, denial can be a bitch if it is the case /lh
I would definitely encourage her to look into what the difference between usual personality shifts are and what crosses the realm of dissociated parts

[heady hornet]

Ok! Thank you!

[rocky zealot]

you can use pk dashboard i think, if you have the token of your system / account. if not, you can text in #🦋bot-channel “ pk;token “ and pk will send it to you in dm!

[timber gull]

Thank you very much!

Leo |☀ Solar | @ping replies ↩️

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[rocky zealot]

np!! /gen /p

[tight flax]

I have a question whats the difference between osdd 1b and the other osdd

[coral flint]

Do you mean between osdd 1b and 1a?

[tight flax]

Ye

[coral flint]

Just clarifying, those are both actually just examples of how osdd can present in comparison with DID, but osdd 1b is defined by less or no amnesia with no blackouts. Osdd 1a is defined as having a lack of two or more fully distinct alters.

[tight flax]

Ok

[coral flint]

Got that all from google btw

[tight flax]

Ok sorry

[timber gull]

Oo. That makes us think we might not be an OSDD system then. We’re not sure. But we definitely have 2+ distinct alters. And we have lots of amnesia. So. I don’t know. More research for us. Yayy. I mean. I’m the second alter we’ve discovered who isn’t a version of birth us. So.

supreme egg [SYS] (pref.no@) ↩️

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[heady hornet]

Osdd 1a is when alters are less distinct and are especially different versions of one person. Different meaning different ages and it has amnesia.

Osdd 1b which is what I identify with is when there are distinct alters but more or less no amnesia. There is however emotional amnesia and grey outs.

Emotional amnesia is like when you have a traumatic memory but have no emotions towards it. Other headmates could feel the emotions though

[timber gull]

Hey, so are we allowed to get the role for having alters, even if we aren’t diagnosed? Or should we at least seek professional support first?

Yes

Emberly | She/They 🐱🎶 ↩️

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We aren't diagnosed but we know for sure weare a system

[heady hornet]

Someone what is a neurogenic system and do they exist?

[timber gull]

I've never heard of it but it sounds like a neurodivergent based. Like say if like theres a subsys/sidesys of holders for certain neurodivergencies.

They can be created from trauma and abuse connected to ableism.

If the whole system is neurogenic though it'd be confusing.

"Neurogenic systems are systems that were formed by the brain due to pre-existing mental illnesses or neurodiversities.

Neurogenic systems may identify as either endogenic or traumagenic, depending on whether they consider their system to have formed due to their mental illness contributing to stress and trauma, or endogenic because it is simply how their brain works."

Charlie, just want to say, you look epic!

⊹ Charlie !! He/Any Neos ‹3 ⊹₊˚ 💌 ᵎᵎ ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) "Neurogenic systems are systems that were formed by the brain due to pre-existing mental illnesses o…

Thank you :]

[haughty rapids]

but endogenic systems don't exist 🙃

[timber gull]

Yeah, I hate people who fight traumagenics saying endos are systems too

It pisses me off

You need some form of trauma to be a system, and it's not that common even with trauma, saying you're a system without trauma feels extremely abelist(idk how to spell it) in a way

ableist /info

And yeah. We’ve only thought we’re a system for 5 days definitely. But been questioning and researching on and off for around 2 years. And we only thought that because we hear voices and have trauma. But we now are also able to figure out the difference between us. So.

⊹ Charlie !! He/Any Neos ‹3 ⊹₊˚ 💌 ᵎᵎ ↩️

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[heady hornet]

A friend is Identifying as that but she means well so I asked for advice from another system that's my friend and she asked another system and we decided on telling her to do more research and hold off on labels for now but that I would be there for support. She's really kind but might be misguided but I'll support either way

[timber gull]

hey 👋

Its as much a traumagenic used term as it is an endogenic term, but yeah deeper research is always neede with anything.

Mara {🎶Orchestra Sys} ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) A friend is Identifying as that but she means well so I asked for advice from another system that's …

We are very anti-endo. But we know thatn fellow traumagenics are rather harsh around labels even to fellow traumagenic.

There are certain things we believe are actually ok to explore on with systemhood especially in spiritual systems but some things like system travel etc don't exist.

System travel we believe is a delusion, that could've been a result of per say one part fusing and then the other system who was close to that system gaining an alter who would be a fictive of that original alter based on their perspective on that alter, which sometimes they can be scarily accurate reflections of the source they came from which is probably where the confusion comes from.

But Will-o-genics we fiercely dislike.

And those believing you were born with DID/OSDD are also strongly disliked by us.

Though memories can often be not accurate so the trauma is well hidden.

Non-traumagenic systems as a whole cannot exist but sidesystems/subsystems can form that aren't affected by the body's trauma, though I suppose it doesn't fully count that way cause it was still created by trauma.

Though it's probably a thin line for those who split easily.

[heady hornet]

Just so you see. She said that her system probably formed when she was 14 becasue of mental illness. She has stated that there is no previous trauma. But like you said memories can not be accurate which is why I advised her to do more research and try to get professional help. I am in a situation where I can't for at least 4 more years as I'm a minor with very close minded parents.

[timber gull]

Ofc. That makes sense.

Mara {🎶Orchestra Sys} ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Just so you see. She said that her system probably formed when she was 14 becasue of mental illness.…

I'm just explaining and on a ramble of my own

It had no context to your situation

[heady hornet]

Ok

I'm also just adding more info for advise to be given

[timber gull]

Only the message that was a reply to yours was related completely to the situation

Just endo stuff gave me an urge to do a ramble lol

Yeah, I think more digging is best for her atp and also look into therapy. Get her to look into help from youtube systems. The Entropy System and The Rings System are both good resources, as well as the CTAD Clinic (Psychologist+Therapist who specializes in DID)

Just do a bit more digging. Give it time and she may figure out a lot more about herself and if she is a system or not. It's something only she can truly gauge for herself, no one can tell her if she does/doesn't have a system or trauma, but she must become educated about it and truly be able to introspect.

[heady hornet]

^^^ thanks

[timber gull]

No prob!

[timber gull]

Why am I all dissociated and feeling like my heads about to explode?
Yeah I had a realization considering stability and it was healing to have it but I don't understand what the brains douing.

doing*

[timber gull]

We have a fictive of a character we created and he keeps wanting his wife back and I feel so bad for them

[timber gull]

How can you tell when you formed an alter? Because we think Al came about on Wednesday as we had a really bad 2-3 hr long headache but we’re not sure if that was related or not.

We get headaches and everything feels off when we split

Sometimes we'll feel sick as well

It's different for everyone though

Ok. I mean we just had a really bad headache and felt blurry at the back of our mind. But we’d also gone through a stressful situation and Alastor, well he’s the Alastar from Hazbin Hotel. And he hates our mum (understandably).

(Alastor is the new alter)

[timber gull]

Hey! What’s your guys opinion on certain alters typing in different ways? For instance, Alastor likes to type in italics to mimic his radio-static voice

idk why i'd have an opinion on it

Jay | 16 | He/Him 🐱🎶 ↩️

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it's just the way people are

alters or not

[timber gull]

Alright!

[coral flint]

Our Alastor types like this so I think it’s chill!

[timber gull]

Ooo that’s cool

we’re sat on a tall window ledge and I think it’s because Al is in front, and he’s 7ft and we’re bodily 5’3

But I’m scared of heights so this works

thank you!

Alastor | 30 | He/Him 🐱🎶 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1151243634876891246 message) Ooo that’s cool

[muted dew]

… is it okay for me to say as a non-system that this interaction was really cool🧍‍♀️ /vpos-genq-lh