Custom AOA for Rose

[inland agate]

This would give Rose her own AOA to help differentiate her more from Violet.

Currently I need someone to make a custom picture for it, and if possible a custom animation would be nice too. @red oxide offered to add it into the game once everything is done

[inland agate]

@red oxide ok I have a rough idea for the anim

It’d start with her doing a somersault from the top left of the screen with a rose in her mouth, she’d then land with her arms stretched out on the bottom right, before starting to spin counter clockwise towards the camera, while she’s facing away she’d grab the rose and point it towards the camera, and then it’d show her picture with the “every rose has its thorn” being inside the rose

Thoughts?

[red oxide]

Okay, that doesn't seem too bad

I will attempt a rough draft later today

[inland agate]

Do you know anyone who’d be able to make the picture?

Still need to com that from someone

[red oxide]

Afraid not Ive never commissioned art

I am sure there are discord servers for that you may want to try there

[inland agate]

Only issue is the AOAs use geometry so they’ll look good at any res right

So there’s a good chance if the person doesn’t know how they’re made in game then it’ll look scuffed once it’s ported in even if it’s in separate pieces like you asked for

[red oxide]

They might use vectors so it could scale easily

[inland agate]

Ideally we get someone who both knows how they work and who could make something comparable to the other ones in terms of quality… which is much easier said then done

[red oxide]

You could give them the dimensions of the ones in p5x so they know how big to make it

[inland agate]

Also not sure what I even want the design to be yet outside of the finished text so I might wait to see what pose she ends up in after the anim and work from there

[red oxide]

Yeah I think I can get a finishing pose done today

Dunno today is a super busy day so it might be incredibly late by the time I'm finished or tomorrow

[inland agate]

All good

[inland agate]

One more thing, since I use the mod that gets rid of the 2d art from the aoa can you make sure her pose at the end in her 3d model matches the 2d one so it still looks good

[red oxide]

I think this would overwrite that, although I'm not actually sure. Would have to find out

[red oxide]

I struggled this together

@inland agate

I just realized I misunderstood the instructions

Oops

[inland agate]

all good, the pose looks solid

[red oxide]

Began blocking out one that fit your instructions more

This is very unfinished though

Will save the hands for the end because I will have to modify the model to add a rose in that only shows up here

Do you have a rose model in mind or should I just find one?

Also is this expression good?

[inland agate]

Prob just her default one, I always play with an outfit on anyway and the no 3d artwork so it makes no difference to me

[red oxide]

I meant for the one she holds

[inland agate]

oh

[red oxide]

There is probably a rose model in game somewhere

[inland agate]

If theres one in game prob use that, if not I guess find one and we can see how it looks

[red oxide]

Yeah

[inland agate]

Would it be possible to make her look a little more smug

like the config option

[red oxide]

Config?

[inland agate]

Yeah in R&V theres a toggle if you have the art off to make her smile more in the end pose

[red oxide]

If you have a picture I can replicate that

I opened her mouth a bit more here

[inland agate]

idk if I have a pic on hand so I may have to go in game to take one rq

[inland agate]

that doesnt look too shabby

bruh Im trying to take the pic and futaba keeps stealing the aoa 😭

[red oxide]

Omg the same thing happened to me yesturday when I was trying to test Jokers AOA

[inland agate]

also would you be able to make her look at the camera

[red oxide]

Yeah

Do you like it with just the eyes moved or do you want the whole head moved?

She kinda looks awkward here

Oh I also added ponytail physics for the twirl

[inland agate]

yea it almost looks like some creepy doll

it also looks kinda like shes looking down even though shes not

maybe turning the head slightly would help?

[red oxide]

Her looking straight at the camera is incredibly creepy so how's this?

[inland agate]

hmm nvm I might have to forgo the smile

she still looks really creepy

[red oxide]

Lets scrap the smile for now and come back to it at the end

I have about half of the frames blocked out at the moment

The timing needs to be adjusted but thats to be expected

[inland agate]

trying to figure out why this shot looks ok but the other ones are creepy

maybe its the eyebrows? idk

[red oxide]

Her head is facing the top left, lemme try that

[inland agate]

the aoas have them facing the camera at the end right

her not looking right at it helps with the creepiness but if there's another way to fix it that would be best

[red oxide]

Oh wait she will have her mask on won't she?

I forgot

[inland agate]

depends on the outfit

[red oxide]

True

Does help with the creepiness though

Remember its early

[inland agate]

true

[inland agate]

In my head I thought she would start mid flip and come out of the flip for the landing but there may not be enough space/frames to do that

[red oxide]

We can try

[inland agate]

Also ig we could just reuse the existing background for now until we find one to make it, just with the updated pose

[red oxide]

Okay, so what I might do is watch some videos tonight and then start fresh tomorrow now that I kinda have an idea of what we are going for

I definitely think the flip could make it seem more fluid but I have to look over how flips work because like I said, nothing like animation to make you forget how humans work

[inland agate]

I also had the idea of maybe making her take a bow after the flip if that’d help with the creepy face, but it may be too late for that

[red oxide]

@inland agate I saw you were talking with someone about making the art, have they sent you anything because if so I can use it to try and match the final pose more accurately

[inland agate]

No I still haven’t found anyone to do it

[red oxide]

Ah, I saw you talking in the rose and violet channel about something art related

Thought it was this

[inland agate]

They’re gonna add a new portrait for when you start the aoa

Like that little glass shard

[red oxide]

Oooh

Neat

[inland agate]

Ig I can ask them if they’d be down to tackle the finisher too but if not then I’ll need a plan B

[red oxide]

Right now I am blocking out where she needs to be at certain points in the animation

[inland agate]

If I can’t find anyone I’ll prob just have you change her pose and the “beauty is devotion” text to “every rose has its thorns” since I have an idea of what I wanna do there, plus some minor edits to the picture at the end

Like making the flowers red instead of pink

[red oxide]

We can do more with the background, we could possibly steal P5X assets from other characters

[inland agate]

True

Haven’t played/seen much P5X so I’ll need to see some AOAs

[red oxide]

I found a rose asset

A few of them actually, I think all those roses are seperate images

This background reminds me of the showtime between Joker and Violet, is that showtime in Rose and Violet?

[inland agate]

Yea it’s just between both sisters now

[red oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjFL5ZtSSbQ Heres a video with all of them if you want to look around

[red oxide]

Makes sense

[inland agate]

Those could maybe work for the ones on the bottom, but is there a bigger one anywhere

So that the text could go inside, if not I might scrap that idea

[red oxide]

I can edit it

Shouldnt be too hard

If the asset isnt big enough I can trace over it at a higher resolution

[inland agate]

Cool, I might make a draft of it in Canva or something since I have a pretty clear idea of what I want

[red oxide]

That would probably help a lot actually

Okay, so I have an idea for the animation, what if she does the sumersault from offscreen left then that propels her offscreen right, she then comes twirling in from the right and then hits the finisher

[inland agate]

Ohhhh that could be good

I assume she starts and stops offscreen but you’d still see part of the flip right

[red oxide]

Yes

I have her diving in from offscreen, pushing off into the ground which pushes her into the right side

[inland agate]

Oh so she lands on the right, then jumps again leading her off screen and then she comes back?

[red oxide]

She lands in the middle really, hold on I will try to draw the motion

So her hands touch the middle then she pushes off

Thought it was more gymnastics-y than a simple flip

[inland agate]

Ohhhhhh I see what you mean

That’s a rly good idea

And it’d save you from having to anim a few frames

[red oxide]

Mostly would make the transition from flip to standing nonexistent, which is really really good

It also allows me to use the stretch thing that makes it look more fluid

[inland agate]

I’m wondering if there’s any way for her to maybe throw the rose in the air mid flip and she’d catch it after coming back from the right and going to her pose

[red oxide]

Hmm, maybe we could have it in her hair and then it falls out while she jumps

[inland agate]

That’d be cool

[red oxide]

Heres the thing, I am going to have to modify her outfit model to add in the rose, which means it would not show up for a lot of costume mods

Unless they are made with this in mind

Unless, actually maybe not

I can replace the baton

It will be annoying but it will work

[red oxide]

Okay, so this is the basic animation I have so far, I want to better emphasize the push and make all her cloth pieces have better physics

Her legs also need to be better

[inland agate]

Thats a good start

[red oxide]

I havent done much character animation before so I apologize if this is taking forever

[inland agate]

Its all good

[red oxide]

Also have started posing the start of the spin

[inland agate]

ok its not perfect but you'll get the idea

this is sort of what I wanted the text to look like

wanted it to say thorns but I ran out of space and didnt feel like changing the sizes of everything again

[red oxide]

If we are going to use the Luce background we could make it part of the stained glass window

[inland agate]

that wouldnt be a bad idea, but I'd wanna change the color scheme in between the windows so it fits the showtime better

[red oxide]

Ofc

Also I started on the second half dw I will make it look more like a spin later

Showed it to a friend and he pointed out that she kinda slid across the floor when she landed so it should look better now

[inland agate]

Didn’t even notice that

[red oxide]

It wasnt by much

Going to see the animation in game to see if its looking alright

Wow my positioning was way off

[red oxide]

Sumersault looks good just starts too early, now I have to finish the spin and make sure she is in the right spot for the finish

I also realized she should be leaning back when she twirls to increase momentum

[inland agate]

It might also look better if there’s a small delay before she comes back

Like maybe let the flower hang in midair for a sec before she grabs it

Whenever you get to adding it

[red oxide]

Yeah, I am definitely making the spin look better, this already is a huge improvement

[red oxide]

Was in the plan

[red oxide]

Have been working on the cloth physics for an hour

[hollow frost]

i don't know it would be too big of an issue, but ann has a voice line that already has this on her finisher

[inland agate]

She says “a beautiful rose has thorns” right

[red oxide]

This beautiful rose had thorns

[hollow frost]

i dont quite remember what is said

but i don't think it should interfere too much

[red oxide]

Also I plan on touching up the second half but the sumersault I love at this point

[hollow frost]

agreed

loved it too

[red oxide]

We really need art so I can sync up the final pose with it...

[hollow frost]

i was actually going to wait until you finished it till i started with the 2d

[red oxide]

Oh you are doing it?

This is the current final frame, I may change it a bit but in case you want to get an idea of what we're going for

[hollow frost]

i think the final frame should be as "out there" as possible

big angles

a lot of character

i think I have an idea

[red oxide]

Feel free

[hollow frost]

im busy today but I can try working on something by tomorrow morning

[red oxide]

Im incredibly busy tomorrow lol

First day on a new job

I tried to get as much progress today because I know I wont make much if any tomorrow

[hollow frost]

should be fine

we can go working back and forth through stuff

[inland agate]

Yeah it’s not a huge deal

[inland agate]

Def is looking better, may want a tiny bit more delay on the start though

If possible since you don’t have many frames to work with

[red oxide]

Yeah we are running very low

I may be able to remove some from the spin

Squish them together

[inland agate]

Yeah that might be good

[red oxide]

Oh also, do you have any idea for backgrounds? we were going to go with N.Luce's P5X one (with some color corrections) but if you have a better idea I would personally love to hear it

[hollow frost]

i can try working around that too

didn't really thought of anything yet

[inland agate]

That’s why I brought him here, was hoping they could make one from scratch but idk if that’s possible

[red oxide]

Ah yeah

A part of me is thinking a rose garden like in alice of wonderland

[inland agate]

Maybe it could be a bit shorter too if you need more frames for both the flip and the rose midair

[red oxide]

The rose will have its own frames

We could also have it just fall from the sky

I mean Mona literally summons a chair and cuban cigar

And Haru too

[inland agate]

Yeah that’s I meant, there’d be some frames of it midair so you could make the spin shorter if you’re over budget

[inland agate]

True

[red oxide]

I would replace the baton with it so it gets its own frames, every bone also can have a different position each frame so I wouldnt need to save frames just for that

[inland agate]

Ah ok, I mixed that up with it having its frames where it’s hanging in the air

I guess we see how many frames are left over to see how much airtime it gets

Ideally it’d be for maybe half a second or so but we’ll see if that fits

[inland agate]

What would that look like

[red oxide]

Is the entire attack even a second?

[red oxide]

Her standing by bushes with roses with maybe a moon in the background

[red oxide]

I dunno if the rose would be very visible either way

[inland agate]

I think it’s 2 or a little over 2

What frame rate is it at

[inland agate]

Oh bc if the background? Or is it too small

[red oxide]

Too small, before it zooms in for the end it would be very small

[red oxide]

Ngl idk, I think 30?

But there are only 60 frames so maybe 15

[inland agate]

It’s def higher than 15

It’s prob either 24 or 30 in that case

[red oxide]

Maybe the whole animation is only a second and a half

[inland agate]

And sry if I don’t respond much in the next little bit I’ll be driving

[red oxide]

Np I think I'm done for today

[inland agate]

It’s really that short? Could have sworn it was longer but guess not

[hollow frost]

it's very short

i'd say around 1 and a half

[inland agate]

huh

[inland agate]

Kinda torn on this

I think referencing another fairy tale would be cool but it may be overdoing the whole rose thing

Since she’ll have one in the picture and the text will be one

[inland agate]

Curious how it’d look if you exaggerated it a bit

[red oxide]

Cut the spin time in half I think it looks better now

About to test it in game to see

@inland agate Heres a thought, right now the transition from spin to standing is kinda jarring, what if she kept spinning and the last frame is her bent over backwards facing the camera

[inland agate]

That’s a good idea

Curious to how it’d look

[red oxide]

Yeah I tried to do it but I think I am going to need to find a reference because this looks off

Oh no this just looks weird irl too apparently

Okay so I need to make the waist bend more and the top bend less I think

Maybe scrap the backbend but have her look over her shoulder kinda smug like smelling her rose?

[inland agate]

It could def work but you’d need a very specific pose

[inland agate]

Yeah I was thinking the same

[red oxide]

I will move the mask a bit so her eyes are easier to see

I also dont think this looks as creepy as the straight on stare

Like this

[inland agate]

What’s it look like with the mask off

[red oxide]

Oh wait we could have her hold it in her other hand

[inland agate]

Could work, ideally the rose would be in a spot where the text could be inside it but if that ends up not working out then this could work

[red oxide]

Oh I dont know if we could have it be inside it without it looking humorously big

[inland agate]

Fair point

Would it be possible to make it bigger so it shows up fine during the finisher but not so big that it looks goofy

For when it’s in the air

[red oxide]

Yeah and then I could scale it back down when she picks it back up

[inland agate]

That doesn’t look too bad, is the mask gonna be part of it

[red oxide]

It doesnt look too bad if the mask isnt there either

For outfits without masks

Do any other AoA's utilize the mask? Could make it more unique too

[inland agate]

Not that I know of

Would that cause any problems if you have the no 2d art mod for the aoas

[red oxide]

Nah should be fine

The mask is just a part of the model

[inland agate]

Gotcha, maybe the mask could replace the rose for the outfits that have one?

[red oxide]

Oh that would work

Doing that would only make the mod compatible with certain outfits though

[inland agate]

Hmm

Was she gonna be holding both the rose and the mask before?

[red oxide]

Yeah

Rose in one hand mask in the other

I havent keyframed the fingers yet because I will need to animate the roses position along with them

[inland agate]

Gotcha, might just wanna stick with her holding both for now and see how it looks

[red oxide]

Mhmm

Also check the epl channel

[inland agate]

Is this the final pose or did you just put her upright to make the face look better

[red oxide]

I just put her upright, I dont think from the angle the player camera was at that it would look good

I will use the no AOA portrait mod so we can see how it will look more easily

[red oxide]

Putting this here just because it pertains to this mod

Note to self: Edit the face animation to remove shadow tomorrow

[inland agate]

I have kinda an idea of what pose she could hit at the end but it’s hard to explain

So when I get back from work I can try and make a stick figure in that pose to give you an idea

[red oxide]

Wow we are starting to gain quite the audience

[inland agate]

Oh shit I didn’t even notice

Having 300 messages def helps with that

[red oxide]

https://youtu.be/hKqaheh4kvU Realized I didnt send what the AoA looked like with the new finisher

[inland agate]

so that all of our stalkers can see it

[inland agate]

heres sort of the idea I had

actually wait

this is a bit closer

[red oxide]

Just gonna leave this P5X rose asset here I think we could probably use it

[red oxide]

Ill get to working on this one I update a few mods

[inland agate]

thatd be a perfect background for the text

[red oxide]

Yeah Ive been scrolling through the P5X datamining channel in the P5X discord

Tons of stuff we could use

Ill start compiling it all later

[inland agate]

That first background looks really cool, maybe that and the mask could be used

The moon I feel would fit sumire well if she ever got her own AOA, maybe a Cinderella themed one but idk for kasumi

[red oxide]

Oh also I realized we dont have to limit ourselves to one finisher we could make a config for people to pick their own

[inland agate]

That’s nice

In that case maybe making one from P5X assets would be smart as a fallback, best case L7 can help make a custom one and both can be config options, worse case we still have one

[red oxide]

Mhmm

Do you want something like this or?

I think we may want to have the rose decorate the letters but not be the background for them

[hollow frost]

i was trying to go back and forth with what rose can be related to, and i really enjoyed the cinderella idea

so I was thinking of something that goes a bit more into the "night"

a dance in the night

if that makes sense

[red oxide]

I think its mostly because this is meant to be Rose's aoa in the rose and violet mod

Although it is perfectly capable of being for kasumi in the regular story

[red oxide]

I was also thinking this

What is roses persona? I actually have no idea

[hollow frost]

i forgot too

ill see if i can find it

should be in the mod info

[red oxide]

Found it

[hollow frost]

mkay

all things considered, most of the old disney aesthetic did go a lot into the night dance

[red oxide]

Least helpful wikipedia page

[hollow frost]

lovely

[red oxide]

We should probably consult the boss before making major decisions

[hollow frost]

it's still cool to go around and brainstorming possible ideas though

[red oxide]

Agreed

[hollow frost]

so far im really leaning towards the "dance in the night", contrasting a bit of her red with a deep dark blue night sky, a full moon and a garden filled with roses around

though if only for some sort of field, I don't quite know what should be behind all that

if we even are going for more of a "landscape" approach

all the others didn't really have that

[red oxide]

@inland agate how'd I do?

I did not pose her tassle things

Seriously what are those strips called though?

Is this a more interesting pose?

Her butt will be covered by those thingies though

[supple ibex]

Could go for Sleeping Beauty theme for Kasumi/Rose, since her 3rd Persona aka Alternate has Briar Rose there!

[red oxide]

Would check a lot of the boxes

[supple ibex]

The Sleeping Beauty, Briar Rose one?

[red oxide]

Mhmm

[supple ibex]

Oh nice~

[hollow frost]

im taking a look at some ballerina poses, and I don't quite know how to feel

[red oxide]

Can I just say how much I hate these gloves

[hollow frost]

at the same time that it looks good, if we are to try and go more we could, but it might look a bit wonky

[hollow frost]

you are allowed. I hated drawing those details

around her wrists

[red oxide]

For some reason the interpolation breaks only with these stupid gloves

[inland agate]

Sorry I can’t respond much bc I’m at work, that could work and I like the font but I’d like rose to maybe be colored like a rose and have a slightly different font, along with the thorns looking like a plant stem and being colored as such

[inland agate]

It’s so peak 🥹

[red oxide]

Yeah

[red oxide]

This a hard yes? If so I can start transitioning the spin into it

[inland agate]

Her thighs/butt do still look kinda scuffed but aside from that I love it

[red oxide]

Yeah lmao

Im covering it up with the thingies

*not final placements

[hollow frost]

which way will she be spinning out of?

[red oxide]

Oh shoot... your right

Yeah I placed them the wrong direction

[hollow frost]

spinning counter her momentum would bring those to hide her legs if that's the case

and if that's where we are trying to aim for

[red oxide]

You see when I play the animation backwards I get confused

[inland agate]

Yeah let’s do it

[hollow frost]

sorry, clockwise

[red oxide]

Yeah I did a stupid

[hollow frost]

counter the fins would be hidden behind her

[red oxide]

I did them right halfway then forgot

[inland agate]

Maybe for the text I’d wanna see how both look in the attack itself if possible, I’d like for it to be in the flower itself but if that doesn’t work or look good we can do this

[hollow frost]

on top of that, spinning clockwise would allow her to properly throw the rose towards the screen, if we are aiming to do that too

[inland agate]

Ok I have to go for a while again

[red oxide]

No worries

[red oxide]

I thought she was just holding the rose

[hollow frost]

i honestly think both are fine

just thought of mentioning it, since the spin would allow it to come naturally

no need for that to happen though

[red oxide]

How does this one in the blue look?

I just realized I am a theif

[supple ibex]

That game was hot ass, so don't feel bad about it. 😂

[red oxide]

TRUE

[inland agate]

Looks pretty good, I assume the rose would be in her left hand

[supple ibex]

You know it~ 🙌

[red oxide]

Jeanne design was phenominal though (I know this is a controversial opinion)

[red oxide]

Yeah

Wait thats right

Her right

That one

We could change it to the left and move her mask back to your face if you want

I should also probably take a look at roses model to see if there are any differences

I doubt there are though

In terms of bone structure

[inland agate]

Honestly seeing this pose I’m starting to kinda like the open hand

[red oxide]

Yeah it is a nice gesture honestly

The lazy animator in me is also a fan

[inland agate]

If we do the rose/mask thing depending on outfit would it possible to make a config with a default one so it’ll work with any outfit

I guess for the “incompatible” ones it’d be the rose

[red oxide]

I do not think that would be possible

It would either be mask or nothing if we dont have the rose

[ruby sparrow]

"imitation is the best form of flattery" type shit

[red oxide]

We do not flatter that game

Still angry about it

[ruby sparrow]

but we do flatter bayo pose tho

[red oxide]

The costumes in that game were the only good part, and the soundtrack I guess

Anyways

I have more physics to do

If I do this more often I should probably buy the addon that does it for me

[inland agate]

That shouldn’t be a problem, I assume it’d be compatible with all the current R&V outfits

[red oxide]

Do they all have masks?

[inland agate]

No a lot of them don’t

Esp the collab skins

[red oxide]

She would just have her hand raised there

[inland agate]

I thought it could be changed per outfit

[red oxide]

It would be whatever the outfit creator assigned to the mask bone

So yes, but also no

Now, what we could do is make it so that baton is replaced with the mask and the outfit mask just goes away

[inland agate]

Could also do the lazy option and make it a config

[red oxide]

We would have to find someone who knows how to make those but yes

I am sure someone would be able to

Wait config how

For holding the mask or rose?

[inland agate]

Yeah

[hollow frost]

im sketching something loose here

[inland agate]

You’d just set it in the config and all outfits would have either a rose or a mask (could also change it to both or none)

[red oxide]

Yeah we could do that

[inland agate]

It switching with the outfit would be cool but if it causes problems like this idk if it’d be best

Or maybe we make it a vote since there’s so many stalkers

[red oxide]

If we wanted it to switch with each individual outfit we would have to modify the files of each outfit

And people would have to make their costume mods with seperate version for this mod

It just isnt very realistic

[inland agate]

Fair point

Ok then config it is

[red oxide]

HEY STALKERS ANY ONE OF YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE A CONFIG

Im sure thatll work

[inland agate]

That’s one way to do it

It involves remix toolkit but idk beyond that

[red oxide]

Yep, I think there is a new alternative but I sure dont know how to use it

Okay I think I finally fixed the glove on the right hand

Now the left one

It was doing some wonky stuff on those interpolated frames

[inland agate]

Oh also another idea that pose gave me

If her right hand is empty maybe she could have it angled towards the camera instead of up, like she’s asking for a dance

[red oxide]

I dont know if the sleeve is visible enough from the main body

Also she is gesturing to the words in the way we have it

[hollow frost]

basically i have 2 versions. I tried using the opposite arm as dramatically touching her forehead/hiding her eyes like i saw some ppl do while dancing, though with the arm towards us she's either holding the rose or throwing the rose

[red oxide]

Wow already?

[hollow frost]

tried playing around with foreshortening on her arm, but im still practicing that

[red oxide]

Wow.... I am incredibly jealous

[hollow frost]

and with the spinning motion, i made it so that the fins are hiding her assets

[inland agate]

True, angling it more down would help but then it’d look kinda off

[hollow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-cat-explode-mike-interpol-gif-13503338605162614186

[red oxide]

Might also be offscreen

Its been a long day brain hurty

[inland agate]

Take a break then, I don’t mind waiting

[red oxide]

Nah this is actually helping me relax

Gives me something to do

I just may say something wrong occasionally

[hollow frost]

it's how we learn

art is like this

don't be afraid

[red oxide]

Okay, I have exported what we have I am gonna test in game now

[red oxide]

Also remind me to fix that thing you sent me this morning

Rose and violet does not like my PC

May also be that I had P5R already running from a mod I was testing like 4 hours ago... oops

Good news! What we have currently looks really really good

I need to adjust her positioning but still

She comes way too close to the camera lol

[inland agate]

“Yall got games on your phone”

[red oxide]

One sec Ill get a picture

Also dw the shadow is on my todo list

I think I should be able to remove it by messing with the face gap

[inland agate]

She looks kinda derpy

[hollow frost]

tbh, being the final frame it might not even be needed

nvm

ppl use the version with no art in the end

poo

[red oxide]

OH SHOOT ONLY ONE EYE IS LOOKING AT THE CAMERA

She has minecraft mob eyes

[hollow frost]

yeah i noticed that

lol

[inland agate]

I use that so I’m trying to make sure it looks good

[hollow frost]

makes sense yeah

i forgot about that

[red oxide]

Huh, this also means the camera is not perfectly placed on the Y axis

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

Thanks atlus

[hollow frost]

yeah atlus doesn't use like, 3 pngs for blinking either

they have specific areas programed to resgister on the portraits

[red oxide]

Yeah

[hollow frost]

that has got to be the worst

most horrendous

[red oxide]

It slightly saves on file space

[hollow frost]

most blasphemous

most idiotic idea

that company could've ever, in all of their life

thought of

[red oxide]

You draw portraits dont you

[hollow frost]

in order to make portraits for dialogues

i do

a lot of them

[red oxide]

Lol

[hollow frost]

and I hate needing to reajust a nice position bc it won't fit

[red oxide]

So here is what Im gonna do

[hollow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/miau-hd-adobe-after-effects-glass-breaking-preset-gif-752576862881430143

[red oxide]

Im gonna turn her a bit so only 1 eye is visible

Because thats how IT SHOULD BE ATLUS

[hollow frost]

i was thinknig about moving her head in my sketch to the point where only 1 eye would be seen, even if she had her mask on

it's something that could be done

[red oxide]

Sorry some Im guessing 12 year old is pinging me from another server

Yeah I think I like the 1 eye visible

[hollow frost]

i'm now wondering a bit on how high she should be

on the camera

iirc most of them go barely beyond their hips

though she'd have quite the arching back

and depending on the angle of her arm, it might take quite a lot of space

[red oxide]

I can get you renders of her if you want

And show you how she looks in game

[hollow frost]

would definetly appreciate it

[red oxide]

Hold on, we need to fully finalize the pose probably

[red oxide]

MindKrafters, do you want what I have her at currently or one of these, personally I am fond of the drawing where she holds the rose

[inland agate]

Whichever is easiest to make, I like both poses

Y’all can decide

[red oxide]

At the end of the day they are all the same level of complexity

Which one is easiest to draw for you L7?

[hollow frost]

hands

it's all I have to say

both have hands

both will be hell

though if I were to pick, i think her holding it bc the rose can hide a bit of her hand

[red oxide]

Yeah

[hollow frost]

(it's not bc it's easy btw, it's bc i think it looks better)

[red oxide]

Lets go with that, I like that one

[hollow frost]

sounds like a plan

[red oxide]

Agreed

[hollow frost]

what else do we have

[red oxide]

Im gonna download this sketch so I can pose her close to it

[red oxide]

Lets just do this for now, all the other stuff we can do later way easier than this stuff

[hollow frost]

if you need me to detail something more, don't hesitate to ask

feel free to ping

[red oxide]

👍

[hollow frost]

i dont mind

[red oxide]

I will try and find the comic book dots thing so we could layer it on top of some parts of the drawing like the other AOAs

[hollow frost]

those are half tones

i have brushes like that

[red oxide]

Excellent!

[hollow frost]

yeah if you search for half tones, they should appear

[red oxide]

Oh so thats what they are called

[hollow frost]

yuh

[red oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[hollow frost]

no idea why but it is

[red oxide]

Black was cheaper to print, was probably a cheap way to show light and shadow

As for the name I have no idea

[hollow frost]

also bc i think there was no gray

[red oxide]

Good point

[hollow frost]

and just like it's done with the AOA portraits, mixing 2 flat colors but intertwined in dots makes them look like they are a different coloration

anyways

good luck with your rendering

once we get something better done, i might start trying my hand on making the 2d part better

and fit it with the style

and again, if you need anything lmk

[red oxide]

You got the proportions down shockingly well

The leg being bend is my mistake

[hollow frost]

damn

even im impressed with my hand to eye coordination

[sudden quiver]

damn she got a broken femur

[red oxide]

This leg is slightly longer than in the sketch but wow

It always shocks me when a random person talks lmao

[inland agate]

“It’s almost scary how good I am”

[hollow frost]

not the cat

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-gif-24748469

[red oxide]

Most of legs wont be visible in the final though so honestly your good

[hollow frost]

bad habit of mine on working on stuff that we won't be able to see

but jey

its practice

[red oxide]

It helps me either way

[hollow frost]

then im glad i did

[sudden quiver]

people do see me as quite suprising so

[hollow frost]

oh yeah, just to let you know I put her right leg near the back of her knee on the other leg bc that's what ballerinas do

at least when i searched a bit

[red oxide]

Oh so move it over the knee

I say like it will be visible at all

[hollow frost]

at least all the references i saw had it close to the area of the knee

but yeah

we cant see

so who cares

[red oxide]

I also unbroke her ankle

[hollow frost]

ballerina ankles are always broken

like holy

[sudden quiver]

medically speaking that is technically true

[red oxide]

Do we like the angle the head is at

Because I want to go watch TV

[hollow frost]

if you want we can deal with it later

[red oxide]

But I want to get you the render before I go

[hollow frost]

relax, i have a lot to do

i still need to do the glass shard

i can wait

go have your fun

but I am quite happy with it

though without the mask, she might need to move her head a bit more to the side

in order to only have one eye showing

[red oxide]

I think we are keeping the mask since her hand is behind her head now

Oh I also want to test this in game

[hollow frost]

i tried making her hand in a way that looks like she's holding it

[inland agate]

Would it cut off at the waist

[hollow frost]

not as edgy as this but close to

[red oxide]

If we have her holding it right above her face I get to keep the shadow too

[hollow frost]

we might be able to put it just a bit higher up to show the direction of the legs

[red oxide]

OH I see

she is flipping the mask up

[hollow frost]

we can have that as an option on what to do

the lines i did on her face was for her hair

[red oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-gif-10031223162004539162

[hollow frost]

it's fine

[red oxide]

Hmm

[hollow frost]

having more options is always better

[red oxide]

So, we have a few options, we can keep the mask on, we can have her lift it off, or we can have her flip it off her face

[hollow frost]

idk how i feel of having her with anything but the mask on

it might grow on me

eventually

and maybe it's because everyone else has their mask on during their finishers

[red oxide]

Yeah

Do we want consistency?

We probably should but idk

[hollow frost]

in my opinion we should, but if we are to make them configs, we might have the best of all worlds

depending on who wants it

[red oxide]

True

[inland agate]

That would be nice

[red oxide]

Okay, lets start with a mask on version and then we can add more later

[hollow frost]

sounds good

[inland agate]

Like it cuts off just under the waist

[hollow frost]

yeah i think it's like that with most of them too

we can also do some more arching on her pose to let more of her body inside the frame

[red oxide]

Dunno how much more we could do without it looking wrong

[hollow frost]

her being a gymnast, being wrong is nearly right

im joking but we might be able to do something

[red oxide]

She already broke every bone in her waist

[hollow frost]

oh yeah i forgot 3d models have those limitations

[red oxide]

Is this too much?

I think its visible now

[hollow frost]

michael jackson on steroids

im taking a look at all of them

and yeah, most of them are mostly torso up

it's small

[red oxide]

We are probably good to unbend her

[hollow frost]

yup

unfortunate

[red oxide]

We would not be able to get away with covering up the bend with this either

Having her more vertical is probably better so that we can have more stuff on the other side of the screen visible

[hollow frost]

unless we really want the rose to be a big focal point

like violet's hand is bigger than her face in hers bc of the angle

[red oxide]

Is this better or just goofy

Thank God the cameras limited

[hollow frost]

i think like this she looks more like an idol instead of a dancing gymnast

it's not bad by any means

but it escapes a bit of what kasumi is meant to represent

if that makes sense

[red oxide]

I mean with the full animation I think it would be better

[hollow frost]

yeah that's true

[red oxide]

Also I havent changed the final frame so ignore that

Final frame is a close up so I have been working with the frame before it

[hollow frost]

what if she brings the rose to her face to smell it

i was thinking of like

instead of arching her back, this could be the "finale" of a performance, where it's meant to be less about the "dance" and more about the "meaning"

so it doesn't have to be technically impressive

like, with hard poses

but i could be emotionally functional

like idk, a rose finally finding it's allure with it's aroma or something

def not corny enough

damn i went too off course with this one

[inland agate]

I’m kinda torn, on the one hand she’s supposed to be more “bold” which means a little more showing off and less graceful movements like sumire but on the other I agree this is more kpop idol territory

[red oxide]

Maybe we are doing this backwards

What if we start with the art

I think we should keep the sumersault though

[hollow frost]

we should

that looks sick

[red oxide]

Best animation I have ever done not that the bar is particularly high

[inland agate]

Fair, the sumersault should stay and the rose should still go midair but everything after that would have to play off the art

[red oxide]

Mmhm, I like this plan

We might even be able to keep the spin, just not make it the focus

Though maybe more like a little graceful spin onto the screen where she grabs the rose and smells it

Honestly I look forward to seeing what you make

[hollow frost]

ill try to sketch something

[red oxide]

Just putting this here because I misclicked

And I thought it was funny

[red oxide]

Take your time, I think Im done for today

[inland agate]

Her leg becomes the new sword holder

[red oxide]

Also heads up probably working a lot of next week so if updates are slow, thats why

[inland agate]

All good, I’m in no rush

Gives us more time to brainstorm too

Also I really hope someone makes it possible to have randomized AOAs so we could do the truck hitting her as a joke

If that ever happens I’d be down to comm you guys again to make it

And speaking of which I have to pay L7, how much do you want for making these? Or do you wanna wait until it’s all made

[hollow frost]

i actually can't get paid rn. Still figuring out how to recieve internatinal payments with my bank

brazil sucks

but ill let you know once I have that settled

[inland agate]

Ok sounds good

Would an amazon GC work? I’ve got a few laying around if you’d rather that

[hollow frost]

unsure if it would. I'll just have things settled properly before confirming anything

since I'm almost sure the transition from dollar to my currency would screw most stuff up

even more so when using redemptions

but i'll check and let you know

[inland agate]

Gotcha, if it doesn’t work then just lmk when you get things sorted out and I’ll pay you

[hasty drum]

All this work looks pretty incredible...

[inland agate]

Ik they’re doing an amazing job

[hasty drum]

absolutely, i'll probably give it a try

[inland agate]

Speaking of which I might ask zyvlos if I can have them just make this part of R&V as a config option

Or should it stay it’s own thing

[hasty drum]

Let's wait for the final product

[inland agate]

Also if any of you stalkers have ideas we’d love to hear them, no guarantees they’ll make it in but we can at least consider them

Don’t want it to just be us 3 running the show if yall have good suggestions

[hollow frost]

this is what i have before I head off to sleep. I just thought of the idea of having her in one of those hoops gymnasts sometimes use, and even though it would be very unrealistic to animate and model it, i thought it was a cool idea

but she isn't centered

and a lot would be cut from the final piece

so I'll just leave it here because why the hell not

[wind mango]

Peak

[hollow frost]

tomorrow I'll see if I have time to work on the "smelling the rose" pose I thought of

[inland agate]

I’d be down to revisit that if mutiple AOAs become a thing

[hollow frost]

then it wasn't just me throwing ideas out

good to know

i'll try to not go too far off, because we still need to be capable of working with what we have

but we can have some fun with it

[red oxide]

Definitely

[inland agate]

I was thinking from that we could either take the text and make that a toggle for rose’s or maybe if all goes well and if you two would be down for it giving it to violet

[red oxide]

I love how you did her hair!

[inland agate]

Oh also that reminds me, wouldn’t she need slightly different portraits for like the gazillion different versions she has

[red oxide]

Wdym

[inland agate]

Stuff like red rose, alt models, gyasumi, etc

[red oxide]

Oh...

Yeah

[inland agate]

Or do we just wanna do the main one

[red oxide]

I think we can stick with default, long hair, and gyasumi

Those are the big ones

Shoot I'll need different hair physics for long hair too won't I

Ah well that one's my favorite anyways

Gyasumi is just kasumi
but blonde right?

[hollow frost]

her hair is a bit different too

i think it's a mix of hifumi's and some more details, though I can't say for sure

never used that mod

[red oxide]

I'm all honesty i don't see the appeal of it but a lot of people seem to and we might as well have support for it

[hollow frost]

my thoughts exactly

[red oxide]

I'm assuming it won't be too much on your end?

[hollow frost]

eh i dnt mind

[hollow frost]

not really, no

and besides, im already used to have a few thousand files for all different versions

[red oxide]

Would have to just go through the frames of animation and make sure the hair looks okay

[red oxide]

Makes sense

Well I'm going to bed, you've done a great job already. Super proud of what we've accomplished and it can only get better

♥️

[hollow frost]

agreed

have a nice night

[inland agate]

Her skin is a bit darker too iirc

[inland agate]

I lowkey only don’t use it because she doesn’t have as good of a bustup

Would say nudge nudge to L7 but that’s for another time

I think she fits the themes of the game a little better lowkey, having the PT being led by someone who goes way against japans beauty standards is very fitting

Also reminder about the other mod

[hollow frost]

i forgor to do them

[supple ibex]

"A thorn for her Elegance." Very interesting AoA Finisher Quote for Kasumi/Rose there lol

🌹

[inland agate]

How much of the art is L7 gonna make, will it be just the pose or the whole background

If it’s just the portrait and we go the cinderella route maybe putting the moon in the back of the windows from the P5X background could be cool

If it’s all custom then we could get a bit more creative but idk what I’d want it to be

[inland agate]

Why are her thighs so jacked in this one 😭

I get that she doesn’t skip leg day but like… gah damn

[ruby sparrow]

"man drowning in water" ow whatever the saying is /j

[inland agate]

Huh

Oh is it like the “fork found in kitchen”

[ruby sparrow]

No no it's like "my stake is too juicy" that's the one

But serious note I assume cuz the model ?

[inland agate]

Oh 💀

I mean I’m not complaining…

But it’s kinda goofy

[inland agate]

I think so

[ruby sparrow]

true

[ruby sparrow]

Banger

[hollow frost]

i wouldn't mind testing myself with the bg

[inland agate]

If you can pull it off that’d be amazing

You know how the AOAs work right

Like how they’re split into pieces

[ruby sparrow]

U mean like the twin?

Or lavenza?

[inland agate]

No it’s all of them

Hang on power sent me a pic at some point but I have to find it again

But basically each element is its own thing instead of it just being one picture, and I believe they’re all in DDS format

[ruby sparrow]

Interesting

[inland agate]

Also if you’re able to do the whole thing you can have full creative control over it

Might still give suggestions but you can run the show while power makes the P5X one

[red oxide]

There are slight differences with all of them but yes they are all models

[inland agate]

That would be rly cool

Her showing off the exaggerated swagger of a black teen

[inland agate]

this is what I was looking for

make sure each element is its own DDS file

[red oxide]

Doesn't necessarily need to be dds I can convert it

[inland agate]

Also I rly liked the idea that L7 brought up yesterday about the mask on/partly off/completely off during the pose but wouldn’t that cause the same compatibility problems that you brought up earlier

[red oxide]

Yes

[ruby sparrow]

Ahhhhh like layered I see

[inland agate]

Yeah exactly

[red oxide]

The more the background is sliced into different pieces the more I can animate it

[ruby sparrow]

Ahhh I see

Interesting process

[inland agate]

For the word elegance it would look so good if the L looked like her baton and the rest of the word was a really thin font in light blue so it looked like the streamers that come out of the baton

Or wait

Does she use the red one or the blue one

I forgor

[inland agate]

Also small bit of good news, found some info on configs

You download reloaded 2.5 from ryo, along with remix toolkit as a mod and apparently it’s pretty straightforward from there?

[opal adder]

I don't really have any ideas, but I can contribute that I would call the thingies on her coat "coattails"

[red oxide]

That works

[opal adder]

I had an idea right after I hit send, lol. So, like, I really liked Disney's Sleeping Beauty as a kid, and part of that was because of the stained glass style they used. Anyway, what if the background of Rose's AoA included stained glass (like maybe from the church in Violet's showtime with Joker)?

I think someone mentioned something about a new AoA for Violet in this thread (or maybe I skimmed too fast), but it would be cool if Rose & Violet had corresponding AoAs, where one of them appeared to be inside the building with the stained glass window, and the other one was on the outside

[red oxide]

Would double the scope of this mod, but not opposed to it in the future

Also rendered this, I know we are trying something else just like how it looks

Oh should have hidden her blur meshes

Ooops

[inland agate]

I wouldn’t be opposed to something like that, maybe if everyone was down to do another one we could consider that

[inland agate]

I mean that’s pretty close to the other pose

[red oxide]

I thought we were doing a new pose with her smelling the rose

[inland agate]

Oh yeah he did mention it but I thought it was just a sketch to see how it’d look

I kinda prefer the first one but I’d be cool to do down either route

[opal adder]

True, and it's cool y'all are even considering my idea ❤️

It might be handy to think about when you get to planning the background in detail, so you don't have to rework anything if the Violet AoA also gets made later

[red oxide]

I mean it is your commission, personally I am waiting for the art so I can make it sync up

[inland agate]

You guys are playing a big part too, I don’t want it to just be me running the show

We could also do both since if all goes well we’d have 2 backgrounds, but you’d have to change part of the spin to accommodate that

Would you be up to that, if not then understandable

[red oxide]

Yeah we would just need more sprites

[inland agate]

Yeah true

Are there any other good ones from P5X that you know of

[red oxide]

Oh I mean for Kasumi

We could even reuse backgrounds if need be

But there are tons of P5X assets

[inland agate]

Oh like L7 would have to draw a second pose for her

Gotcha

[inland agate]

Also if we do end up using this pose for one of them there’s a few very minor almost nitpicky things that may make it look better

First she should prob be angled slightly more down, but that’s gonna be hard to get exactly right

Too little arch and she looks like a pop star, too much and it breaks the model and looks really weird

[red oxide]

This enough arch? Its from a previous frame

This is that much bend on the final pose

[inland agate]

Yeah I like that

[red oxide]

Gives her more of an elegant curve

[inland agate]

Second, I want another opinion on this but depending on where the text is maybe instead of the rose there would be an open hand right under the text

Since there’s be a rose behind the text anyway

[red oxide]

Her hand would probably be too high for it to be under the text, but she could be leading the eye too it

[inland agate]

Gotcha, curious to see how the pose looks in game

Bc if the text and her rose are too close together that might not look great

[red oxide]

This would also work, acknowledging the player and going back to the asking them for a dance thing

[inland agate]

True true

How does it look without the mask

We should prob make sure it looks good without it first since almost any pose should look fine with it on

[red oxide]

True, costume proofing it is a good plan

[inland agate]

She looks derpy again

[red oxide]

Oh lemme fix her eyes

[inland agate]

Which leads into my next thing, maybe adjusting her head angle very slightly

Like you said earlier maybe turning it a tiny bit to the left so only one eye is visible

[red oxide]

This is making it so that her eyes are looking in the same direction

[inland agate]

Ok ok that looks a bit better

Though I do still see some weird coloring where her mask should be, does that show up in game

[red oxide]

Ngl I do not see the coloring at all

Mask shadow is handled by a different animation

[inland agate]

Ah ok, it’s very subtle but if you zoom in it’s def there

As long as it doesn’t show in game it’s a non issue

[red oxide]

I think its a seam in the texture? Not sure actually

Oh nvm

[inland agate]

Not really sure how to explain this but her expression still looks… off

[red oxide]

Not entirely sure how to deal with this since its a part of the model itself

Does the shadow appear with her normal AoA?

[inland agate]

Not that I’ve seen

On the kat outfit I use for her which has no mask it looked fine

[red oxide]

Is this better?

Ngl I kinda like this one

[inland agate]

Yea I do too, curious how smug/happy you can make her before it goes back to creepy territory

[red oxide]

This is kinda the limit, I tried a bit more and it warped her face

Lower lip moves anymore and it looks stupid

[inland agate]

That’s fine then, the art could fix that up anyway

[red oxide]

True

[inland agate]

Not that I use it but the models arent gonna be 100% perfect

Last thing, have we decided on a cut off point yet

[red oxide]

I will get the cutoff point once I get it in game

My guestimation is that it will be here

Or around there

[inland agate]

Alright, If her legs are gonna be shown at all I’d suggest bending her other leg more so her heel is up to the skin on her thigh instead of the knee so you’d see a bend

But looks like that’s a non issue too

[red oxide]

Yeah its just to keep the animation fluid

Wont be on screen more than like 1/20th of a second

If you looked at the summersault frames individually you would see how I mascaraed the model to exaggerate a better animation

Super squished here

Especially the ponytail

Comically long arms and legs

Stretch and squish are probably the easiest way to add fluidity to an animation

[inland agate]

How does the expression look without the blue lines

[red oxide]

Hmm, maybe I should mirror it

I think the new issue is actually the eye

This may be better actually

Dunno we can mess with rotation in the final stages

[inland agate]

The hand looks better in the first but the face is better in the second

wait I just realized thats sumire not kasumi

oh well should look the same in game

[ruby sparrow]

i was about to say but want see how long it took to notice

lol

[inland agate]

pulled up the normal aoa to see how the face looks in game

eyes are good but the mouth is scuffed

[ruby sparrow]

More like grin yeah.
But I do hope it is possible to be just soft smile.

[inland agate]

oh yeah good point

wonder how that'd look

[red oxide]

There is an option to use her default expression

[inland agate]

There is but its just a straight face

Id rather the slightly broken smile over it

[inland agate]

Also figured out how to make the configs, they aren’t too bad

[ruby sparrow]

So what the process rn ?
Cuz I hope it will work with all Kasumi model alt.

[inland agate]

You go into reloaded 2.5, download remix toolkit m, then include a config.yaml file and from there you can add your options and what each one does

Once you have said options it’s like a line or two extra in the config telling it “if this option is selected load this file, otherwise use this one”

It can def work for all her alts but there’d need to be separate portraits for each one

Which I believe would mean there’d be 6 total at most

One for normal kasumi, gyasumi, long hair, and another 3 for all of those with the second background

[ruby sparrow]

I think yeah there is 6

[inland agate]

hopefully L7 is down to make portraits for all

or you could use the no portrait mod

[ruby sparrow]

Yeah that's usually what I default to

[inland agate]

Ok then they’ll all work

[ruby sparrow]

Yea but ofc we just need wait L7 decision

[inland agate]

Imma go broke if I keep asking him to make portraits 😭

But it’s for a good cause

[ruby sparrow]

Like kotone fans. For P3R
People also very passionate about Kasumi as mc

[inland agate]

The two goats

[inland agate]

I like having her as mc bc joker is really bland

and the more stuff to seperate her from her sister, the better

thus how the custom AOA came to be

[ruby sparrow]

wait let me count.

• default kasumi
• gyaru
• alt bang
• long hair
• tomboy/shorthair
• makoto (p3) hair
• and punkrock if i recall

[inland agate]

does punkrock count as a seperate one? I thought it was just an outfit

either way we prob weren't gonna do them all, just the most important ones

unless theres a lot of demand

and that would cost me more

and wasnt the tomboy hair and the p3 hair the same? Or am i mistaken

[ruby sparrow]

short hair/tomboy was by lionz
makoto hair was by bester now under Zy

and punk rock is WIP as far i recall cuz the creator make alot as of rn it just the winter outfit for the release rn
cuz they also try redesign theive outfit

[ruby sparrow]

By default top 3 probably
The default
Long hair
And gyaru most likely

[inland agate]

yea those are the 3 we're most likely gonna do

[inland agate]

oh huh I thought those were the same guess not

is the short hair just her normal hair with no ponytail

[ruby sparrow]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/628827 this one

[hollow frost]

i am, i was just lazy or didn't have time

so far i have for default, alt bangs, long hair, tomboy and was working on doing punk

i really need to get those properly ready again and maybe redo a few of them

[inland agate]

Sorry I meant the portrait that shows up at the end of the AOA

[hollow frost]

oh right

yeah i can still do that

[worthy kelp]

Oh shoot you ARE doing this for Gyasumi? Peak

[inland agate]

Ig they just look really similar then

For a bit I still thought that was makotos hair

Speaking of which we should prob get the first pose locked in so L7 can get started on the portrait

[ruby sparrow]

true

[ruby sparrow]

sadly im no artist but i assume those 3 are the most use model for kasumi

[inland agate]

They’re the 3 most distinct

All the other ones are a variation of those 3

[ruby sparrow]

Isn't technically 4 being short also included being people do like tomboy

[inland agate]

I guess

Actually imma run a poll to see who uses what models so we can an idea

And bc we have so many stalkers

[ruby sparrow]

i ran definitly gyaru the most. probably like 6 run by now lmao

[inland agate]

Least dedicated p5 player

[summer helm]

I used Alt Bangs for most of my playthrough, then switched to long hair after ||Sae's|| Palace

[ruby sparrow]

Nah that's called being bum and work at home. Lmao

[ruby sparrow]

Like when leonblooze release this day 1 I told them on the mod page that the hair somehow glowing on the flashback lmao

[hollow frost]

i'll have quite the month of work ahead of me

this will be fun

oh yeah, on that note

will there be recolors? Like the pure white, red and white and so on

i have portraits done for those

[ruby sparrow]

Basically I can try give fast feedback lol

[inland agate]

Oh shit I forgot about those

[hollow frost]

oh boy

at least the recolors shouldn't be too bad

[inland agate]

This is gonna get out of hand if we make versions for every hair style/color

[hollow frost]

they are just that

[ruby sparrow]

"hoo boy"

[hollow frost]

i personally don't see it as too big of an issue

if i manage the 3d stuff and textures properly, the recolors shouldn't really be too big of a deal

[inland agate]

I mean if you’re up to it sure but then there’s gonna be 20+ config options

We could just direct people to the no art during finishers mod if they wanna use a skin with no art

[hollow frost]

maybe yeah

i just thought of doing what I was previously going to do with my tens of portraits

[ruby sparrow]

Tho if I can give some input
For gyarusumi if can it be pure white.
Cuz the fan made gyasumi portrait on memento is base on pure white if I recall

[hollow frost]

google dock, put all of them there, they download whichever they want and alter the file directly

[inland agate]

We could fit them all in the config, that’d be a bit easier

Even if it’d look goofy with so many options

[hollow frost]

as long as we properly label each one, it shouldn't be too hard

i have a few ways in mind, but that's for another time

also i really need to figure out how to make a mod with configs for the portraits i have

[inland agate]

That I can help with

Download reloaded 2.5

The version by ryotune and install remix toolkit as a mod

[hollow frost]

i forgot the name of the other config thing that was being developed, but i was trying with that

[inland agate]

It’s a lot easier if you do it through remix

You don’t need to code anything

[hollow frost]

it's called mira

found it

and yeah, i guess I should've went with remix toolkit from the start

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[inland agate]

There’s also the black and red leotard that’s getting kinda popular

[ruby sparrow]

The one lionz also right ?