yeah its def from name.tbl
#[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul
fresh mulch
(surprise)
BRUH the backup is more than DOUBLE the size 
it just deleted most of it
yeah easy fix thanks to auto backup
... right. i accidentally saved with the overlay still toggled lol
poetry
i think i'll first work on the ailment icons for the description, then the emojis
if this was p4 i might have added a 🥸 emoji
lets goooo
should be way easier to recognise at a glance. symbols > words
lunar vector
Ooh, that's a great idea.
fresh mulch
btw im pretty sure this is an atenna
(i got from the ingame icon)
idk why at first i thought it was a cocktail glass 😭
||trans rights||
lunar vector
(Just to be clear, this was me anticipating the audience's inevitable het goggles more than anyone's yaoi goggles 🫠)
fresh mulch
idk why at first i thought it was a cocktail glass 😭
||trans rights||
holy shit they have a lesbian umbrella 
i dont drink and i still need one
lunar vector
Omg, gimme.
fresh mulch
(Just to be clear, this was me anticipating the audience's inevitable het goggle...
well if they have het goggles for that they'll have for ryuji too anyway
lunar vector
Lol, true.
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but its not like i'll keep the stuff 100% the same either
lunar vector
This is making me realize that "het rivalry is boring and sexless to me" was a lie because I'm actually completely allergic to it and find it completely rancid 😂 Self-awareness....
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lunar vector
Stay away from her, get a job, etc.
fresh mulch
any het with toxicity i hate anyway
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for now i'll just be editing my own femulator. but it'd be nice to get that idea going later
lunar vector
Yeah, this would be a huge boon for translation mods if it could be generalized.
fresh mulch
uh...
why both dizzy and confuse exist again
time for a game of: guess which ailment is which.
can yall guess? 
this is taking the game's own icons for these ailments btw
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(this is about the image above)
uncut depot
obviously
/j
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The Answer
lunar vector
I got it wrong 😔
fresh mulch
at least you tried
lunar vector
Classic RPGism of too many status conditions that barely do anything interesting or particularly distinct from one another and also never affect bosses 😔😔😔
fresh mulch
and like, p5 is one of the better ones with ailments (Etrian Odyssey from what i heard is good with them as well. pq2 was)
lunar vector
Tabletop games do the same thing and it drives me nuts. I'm not remembering all that 😂
uncut depot
p5 but everyone types like a homestuck character
fresh mulch
tbf dizzy makes you take tech from everything, and reduces accuracy while allowing you to still act(so you can still support or guard)
confuse is dizzy but not everything techs it, if you get hit during confusion it is just gone(dizzy as well). confuse has basically random chances of you helping the enemy in some way or doing nothing. im unsure if you can even normally act during it
also confuse is what people use for money farm strats
mechanically they are quite distinct, but man they do not LOOK distinct
lunar vector
I still think that like 4-6 statuses are plenty for any given system. Beyond that, just reflavor them, come on...
uncut depot
you could proooooobably make your own encoding, stick it in same folder as the regular ones, and pass file name without extension as argument to script tools?
fresh mulch
i think pq2 is about this amount
uncut depot
oh wait for emulator
lunar vector
Yeah, to actually make it viable for a mod.
fresh mulch
only 5 ailments, 3 binds that are very mechanically and visually their own thing, and down/ko is if they can get taken down or instakilled i think
they trimmed the fat pretty well here
lunar vector
That's a pretty solid set for a VRPG, yeah.
fresh mulch
(plus we actually have the rpg staple of poison. like, cmon p5)
lunar vector
I think TRPGs need to simplify further than that, honestly.
uncut depot
emulators just use latest i think, script tools itself lets one specify a folder to search for encodings i think so youd just be exposing it in the emulator api
lunar vector
emulators just use latest i think, script tools itself lets one specify a folder...
Oh, neat. That seems like it'd be pretty simple 
Oh, but it's AST's code.
That seems like it would be more annoying as a framework thing.
Assuming the frameworks don't patch AST at all.
uncut depot
its not hard lol, function library additions are already a feature of emulation
lunar vector
In theory, similar logic to adding custom functions could work for adding custom encodings 🤔
fresh mulch
i cant think why it wouldnt
uncut depot
unfortunately this is an acceptable sacrifice to me because automatic sls categorically make me feel nothing which i considered worse
lunar vector
unfortunately this is an acceptable sacrifice to me because automatic sls catego...
I think it comes down to me actively disliking the Royal dynamic with Akechi in the femc case and thereby just wanting less of him 😅 Sorry, my boy, but you weren't made for het....
uncut depot
Like wow, he treats her like crap? Groundbreaking....
twilight
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unfortunately this is an acceptable sacrifice to me because automatic sls catego...
p4, but the investigation team slink is no longer automatic, and if you didnt manage to grind to rank 10 before The Decision ™ you are forced into ||killing that guy at the hospital||
lunar vector
~~p4, but the investigation team slink is no longer automatic, and if you didnt ...
Honestly, that rules, lmfao.
Obviously it would be too punishing but like. Dope concept.
fresh mulch
i mean, the bad ending is still an ending. you just dont get more game afterwards
/j
lunar vector
Yeahhh, but these games are such a time investment that to even get there and make players restart to get the rest is... well.
I feel so torn about it, j or not, because I conceptually love these kinds of endings.
But alas.
fresh mulch
well a mod can get away with something more bold
lunar vector
True 😈
fresh mulch
honestly, this would fit perfectly with a tyt-style p4. i dont have words rn, but it hits many core ideas from that game
uncut depot
tbh this is probably a kinky aspec moment but i think i might be the only one in this chat not categorically allergic to toxic het to the extent that its written by people who understand their own story
lunar vector
Okay, tbf, in a story that understands it (and usually is about a terrible woman destroying her own life for no reason), I can get down with it.
But often stories are... not that self-aware about their het dynamics.
I still wouldn't like actively enjoy it as a ship, but as an aspect of the story, sure.
fresh mulch
unfortunately the majority of het stories are not too self aware of their dynamics
hmmm i should be able to just add an 'infinite'(of course not literally infinite) amount of entries to the tsv?
uncut depot
to be clear i cant see het akeshu in specific, but mainly because i cant see akechi being into women lmao
lunar vector
Yeah, I think any version of Akechi whose gender and transness (or lack thereof) both aren't identical to the protagonist is a fundamentally different character to me, because it completely changes the dynamic.
fresh mulch
yeah i might allude that he's gay or something like that. not even to shut down the possibility or whatever(i mean, ryuji is big hetero), it's just because i dont see this happening
(the possibility was always shut down actually )
uncut depot
in an alternate universe where the sequel trilogy was good i mightve been a reylo unfortunately
fresh mulch
i dont think he'd ever say he is that. just hints through his interactions
lunar vector
~~in an alternate universe where the sequel trilogy was good i mightve been a re...
If Kylo Ren were a woman, I'd get it 😆
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i know nothing of war stars
lunar vector
Probably the better way to live, frankly.
uncut depot
mouse
fresh mulch
huh, is the lust ailment the only special ailment with unique icons?
wait there's at least vanity's paint
uhh...
uncut depot
If Kylo Ren were a woman, I'd get it 😆
i mean i still like toxic satorika despite higugou being bad, so...
fresh mulch
well thats yuri so i automatically like it
uncut depot
me when im a vrisrezi enjoyer
lunar vector
Vrisrezi superiority 
🔥
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its not hard lol, function library additions are *already* a feature of emulatio...
welp, this is def another thing i'll have to have setup before i launch the demo
oh yeah this reminded me
yusuke will have a signature almighty skill that has a high chance to apply vanity(or in this case, i named Paint) to 1 enemy
(i talked about this a long time ago)
you get that after madarame's confession (ann gets megido after kamoshida's confession for example)
anyway, vanity is actually not that op imo. it is strong enough to be locked behind 1 party member tho
(vanity: the enemy will be weak to all affinities by 1 turn. or at least it never got to two turns for me)
oh and i was thinking of myriad truths being the only other way of applying paint(vanity), while also being way weaker, but still strong enough for a post-game skill (yusuke also learns that after freeing him from velvet room's prison during the merging, as his 'ultimate' skill that extends from the skill he got for defeating madarame)
reason for paint? the exposes the enemies' weaknesses or smth
yes it is a bit weird if you take that as yu's ultimate skill but who cares its fun
(and myriad needs a nerf anyway)
HOPEFULLY paint does not make bosses susceptible to instakill
if it does, i'll just have to code for their fights for paint to be removed every turn
oh yeah
i was thinking of making the font just a tiny bit smaller so i can fit more text (i barely have space 😭)
however idk the best way to go about it
i dont want to add a completely new font, so i was just thinking of reducing the characters themselves
lunar vector
If you're gonna do that, you're definitely going to want a scripting solution, lol.
Otherwise
fresh mulch
eh i'll just need to edit the english alphabet
- some other stuff
i wont mess with the kanjis or russian letters lol
lunar vector
That's slightly easier, then.
fresh mulch
i already have the grid in place, i just need to follow it and consistently resize the characters
like, would 25% smaller be too much?
only one way to find out
bruh look at the scroll bar 😭
making japanese fonts looks like hell
simple knoll
holy shit they have a lesbian umbrella <:chie:967512336518762616>
it's the old lesbian flag. unfortunate
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mellow pecan
When is "save the world" used? IIRC, believe was used for Satanael's awakening.
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the only time i can think that was used
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now the elements(there is a p3r slash there for the sword order. that's all)
strong moat
I use as an emote too much so seeing it here again in a normal context is funny
fresh mulch
i cant take skulls seriously anymore 
just realized just like sword i'll need unique icons for the magic and nerve orders
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right. time to reduce the font size
before any visual edits, lets see how much space i actually save by reducing the character borders by 25% 
i also realize i forgor lowercase for this
Test lield
i'll just work smarter not harder and edit the screenshot to squish everything by 25%
wow
too much?
hm 20% appears to be good. i'll proceed with the font editing
fresh mulch
hmm thoughts?
unsure if i also should make them slightly shorter or the ratio is still fine
okay spaces are a bit HUGE
where are the spaces here lmao
oh its the first charater
also oops my icons vanished
hmmm
i think we could change to 10% instead?
sullen drift
well said. In One Piece I think the Bathhouse was a much better argument anyway. The argument with the villains is SUPPOSED to be that the wholed world including villains sees this person as the gender they identify as. But I think yer right that when people go that route its just a gotcha. Thanks for giving me some perspective on that.
so kind of ick.(and yes I am kind of ashamed for using it too. arigato for calling it out)
we meet Yamato in a binder. Is this WHY Kaido willingly accepts him as a son? Which makes him even more of a disgusting villain. we never see Yamato wear the binder again.
I just now thought of this. The evil dictator of Wano has a son. So maybe he forces him to bind and perhaps also wear the mask or he will tell everyone about his -series of wrong gendered terms- and make sure everyone uses those terms.
So when Yamato breaks free he removes the binder because he is with people who will accept him as a man; even if he defies certain Wano conventions. He doesn’t have to bind or do anything but assert who he is to Luffy and the Strawhats who he is and his aspirations to be Oden to be accepted.
Or maybe Yamato volunteered the binder in desperation to not be misgendered every day.
The more I think about it the more it feels like the binder was something Yamato wore while he was in Kaido’s world.
He’s always been happy with who he is; and now he’s free.
Kind of long but you gave me a lot to think
about.
Arigato camsahamida and thank you
fresh mulch
its not really that big a deal. just something i noticed
sullen drift
its not really that big a deal. just something i noticed
It got me onto a fascinating theory and maybe some self realisation. oh and
sullen drift
the urge to change this to something stupid
they are popular almost like idols so there would be questions like this… even if they weren’t from Mishima.
“Does the leader like men or women?”
“does she top?”
“Rei! They are asking about your… um again! what do I do?”
fresh mulch
pft the old background info with the new changes looks so dumb
🤏
ig i'll do different edits to the font and see what looks best
fresh mulch
hmmm
but if yall have any thoughts about this?
i also just realized i could have the 'WEAK' 'RES' and 'NULL' as their own single character to save on space
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hmm is this better?
(yes i know that the è is big)
okay i think i found the ratio i like
it still gives me plenty of space too
🤔
the font in action
revisiting these events i did quite a while ago... honestly, i feel proud
before joining just the idea of editing an event sounded awful, much less make a completely new one
i've gone quite far in just these few months
||dont ever let shiho see two anns clad in spandex together in the same room. she might faint||
good night
grand cipher
aye awesome, what font did you end up using?
fresh mulch
If you follow the messages you can see that ive ben editing p5r's own font to be leaner
I hope i struck a good balance
I coul probably get more feedback of this by doing a poll, but for some stuff like this one i dont feel comfortable with that idea? I think I want to hear what is specifically a problem, instead of just a vague choice from a poll
Gosh im so sleepy gn fr now
fresh mulch
strong moat
i'm surprised to see that (i didn't see this poll though)
i actually think they're pretty decent skills early game
heat riser on the other hand? pretty ass
weary rapids
All the op skills early game unless you have a Persona named Izanagi Okami are ass cuz SP go bye bye
fresh mulch
Overall the ma- support skills are better than heat riser simply because of the action economy
No luster candy smh my head
(Well we have thermopylae + that trait)
Talking of thermopylae... what do i do with that skill?
strong moat
heat riser is a good mid level skill imo that always is treated as a late game skill for some reason
strong moat
Talking of thermopylae... what do i do with that skill?
don't really see the issue with it
maybe raise level if you feel it's too strong but surrounded only skills are niche
uncut depot
pinch only skills are pretty lame without vitality of the tree tbh, since its very easy to just not get pinched and the only time you want to get pinched is to make the reaper easier
in vanilla ofc i forgor what the ambush-related changes are here lol
fresh mulch
Well my problem is exactly vitality of the tree
But i still want pinch traits for bosses
I remember thermo being atrociously bad in og tho lol
Weather skills were also kinda whatever
Technically you can make the most out of them by only going when theres weather, but like, thats still a bit lame? Plus theres no forecast like in p4
Lame as in, not worth it at all
Poor haru, got the useless climate passives
Good morning
But yeah, i want buff management for late game to not be down to a single skill
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oh right i had that idea of haru wanting to open a cat cafe
btw i dont write down a single thing it all stays in my head 
🤔 would haru also use cat emojis like ann?
futaba feels like the type of person to only use emojis ironically
holy shit thats a lot of new space
weary rapids
btw i dont write down a single thing it all stays in my head <:naotoderp:8496640...
Its a peak way of doing it Girl
weary rapids
holy shit thats a lot of new space
You would need a full res and close to your monitor
Thank god this game isn’t demanding…at all
fresh mulch
eh, even at the lowest resolution its about the same level of legibility as you'd get from that
holy shit this looks like a ds game now
btw these are the resolutions from the steam survey
at 1280x720 its perfectly legible already
and i can get away with a smaller font exactly because this is not a playstation game
more often than not, people on pc are close to their monitors
fresh mulch
LMAO
'emoji density per country' 😭
this is from 2015. and it looks like japanese people weren't using them that often? funnily enough usa has low density too 🤔
do i try to keep the ingame chat conversations at period-accurate emoji usage, or use more modern ones as well
i cant believe im reading papers on emojis
btw what kyara means
oh yeah there are also emoticons
i might keep this favorited for later 🤔
i remember p3's hermit slink having some of these
｡･ﾟﾟ*(>д<)*ﾟﾟ･｡
love these goobers
if there's something futaba would use often are def those
sudden mist
holy shit this looks like a ds game now
fresh mulch
my favorite p5 port
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okay nice
uninheritable should be a symbol too. its sooo long
although maybe two symbols right next to each other
fresh mulch
🤔 i cant add more characters to the list or is this just persona editor preventing that?
quiet prism
Well for once I'm going to really have to read the tutorial to know what the new statuses are
fresh mulch
there are no new statuses tho
expel = bless instakill
death = curse instakill
miracle = renamed healing
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lmao
lets gooo
now there's no way the text will blend
these are three full-width characters btw
and this is how that looks like in the msg file
grand cipher
well done well done
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hey its squidward || 
||
gosh doing these characters is tedious, but thankfully there isnt that many
im finally done
grand cipher
hey its squidward || <:MakotoSmirk:792246817969799178> ||
property of squidward....tentpoles
fresh mulch
finally i can use words
ngl im a big fan of the icons
i'll probably be using them in other areas when necessary, like in skill descriptions
"25% chance of inflicting [icon]Despair" for example
or "Removes [icon]Ice resistances"
the icons could go in traits too
i guess "Japanese franchise" is better than series here?
grand cipher
feel like the box is a little TOO big, like the bottom left isn't visible
fresh mulch
the text still stays on screen tho, but ig i can nudge it a bit so you see some white at the bottom border
if i could, i'd move the position the text appears in, but alas
(... unless that is handled in the plg?)
the box is not actually smaller, but hopefully this helps a bit
grand cipher
Looks better imo
fresh mulch
yeah before the outline vanishing beyond the screen was a bit hard on my eyes for some reason
strong moat
that "can't inherit" sprite looks a little bit out of place ngl
fresh mulch
i can just squish it
lets see
hmm i think i came up with something even better than just that
fresh mulch
its like a lil sticker :3
yes that just makes it even more out of place, but holdon
i think it might be good to at least have an icon version for the 'last skill'
oh and maybe delete the : for can't inherit, because that looks off (the resistances work tho)
grand cipher
its like a lil sticker :3
I actually like that
fresh mulch
yeah i want this part to read more like a ui element than a block of text
(of course, the description i want to read like a block of text)
like, if i could, i'd have the ailment affinities in the front page, but that's require to mess with the ui at a code level
btw im taking letters from here and similar places and just tilting them on medibang to create the usual p5 look
well, since i cant add any more characters...
bye bye russian letters. i mean, this mod would be illegal there
tbf, deleting kanjis would not hurt too much for future japanese translations, 'cause there's always hiragana to fall back on
but if i do it i might as well not override a common one
fresh mulch
i think this might be it finally
but yeah the icons do have a good use besides signifying the contents better at a glance (and looking cute). here, it allows me to shorten names to fit more space while not ruining legibility
so in the absolute worst case scenario, even the icon by itself should do
lets test this with something simpler
like a pixie
grand cipher
If the elements are on the other screen, how come you also have them on the background instead of just the ailments/inherits?
fresh mulch
uh because the inheritance is not there?
if you mean expel and death, they are the ailments of bless and curse (instakill)
fresh mulch
hmm got it spilling a bit
yes there's ailment-specific inheritance too (not all the time, like with arsene)
yeah it was a good call to make the can't inherit distinct
omg im so eepy i need coffee
i do kinda need to adjust the persona position of some of them because of this bigger text box
unfortunately the background screen cant be used to fully view models anymore
buuut you always have the ui toggler mod
fresh mulch
some color for the affinities (optional)
i think i'll go back at making ryuji's persona descriptions
im honestly really interested in exploring this ryuji, and also his different-from-male-joker-but-in-ways-quite-similar friendship with rei (or 'brotherhood' as he says. i have a very interesting angle im going for here)
uncut depot
i got it right but it took me a sec
lmao
fresh mulch
ahem keep in mind that while not wrong, i am purposefully omitting some info that might change the narrative a bit
the standard damage and ailment rate for weaknesses is 125%. here you see a (+25%) next to rage, this means that it has a flat 25% added to the vulnerability to rage, so 150%
ryuji is angy
btw the arcanas do have narrative meaning. i'll probably hint at it through the confidants as i already did for their rank 1s
fresh mulch
btw the arcanas do have narrative meaning. i'll probably hint at it through the ...
talking about this
warning im not a poet
(also just now i realised, shouldnt it be 'i can hear a voice' instead of 'i can feel a voice'...)
(i mean, you technically do feel voices)
much better
(y'all feel free to comment)
fresh mulch
im getting pumped about writing ryuji now
a while ago i didnt know much what i was gonna do with him
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*ahem* keep in mind that while not *wrong*, i am purposefully omitting *some* in...
btw any thoughts?
fresh mulch
i'll take that as 'you did pretty good'
ryuji gains repel rage with seiten taisei
yes it works
(reminder that the rest of the ailment affinities are just the result of his combination of orders and arcanas as william)
talking of william, its time for yacht boy
grand cipher
does weak against despair mean instant death?
Also, if you want the personas to still be fully seeable, just move them to the right and maybe shrink them a bit with SHDPersona.tbl
fresh mulch
does weak against despair mean instant death?
it means higher odds of inflicting despair
there's no special logic here
(also he's Strong against despair)
grand cipher
ah I see
fresh mulch
okay is this really a thing with teenager boys???
twice i've seen 'the dude' with a pinup poster on their bedroom in these games. first junpei, and then ryuji. i deadass wouldnt be surprised if yosuke also had one
is ryuji just not embarrassed of his mom seeing this? fair ig (i would but i guess its different here)
btw the third evo's elemental affinities
ignore the jank
by the third form he's immune to both phys and instakills, so he basically becomes one of the best tanks (second highest endurance (haru's is highest endurance), and he has the highest hp). not to mention he's naturally quite fast already and his confidant gives him ag bonus, so he has better chances to just null any damage by dodging too
aka good to bring to maruki (my maruki will spam instakills)
fresh mulch
ignore the jank
speaking of his character, i was quite deliberate with what i put here
uncut depot
oh i get it, the rest of the track team
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there's an idea im having to tie him more with william. ryuji already has some anger management issues, but he barely seems to commit mistakes because of it aside from punching mr puncheablefuckface(kamoshida)? please remind me if im wrong. ig the 'mona running away arc' does show that
i guess i want him to commit more stupid teenager mistakes because of his unregulated emotions, so that even after kamoshida is out of the view, the team has quite a good reason to not really like him? the kamoshida thing is just what broke the camel's back so to say
like not saying they don't have a reason, but it aint good considering what truly happened
i want to keep his ultimately empathetic and good-hearted nature, but following harder on the theming of a chariot that doesnt know how to break before running over something else
uncut depot
suggestion: leaning into his family situation
fresh mulch
i think this all would tie him really well to both son goku wukong and kidd
fresh mulch
suggestion: leaning into his family situation
hmmm like how?
uncut depot
like its kinda weird that it doesnt come up a lot given how if i squint with my fanfic writer brain it actually feels like it informs a good deal about him
the anger issues scan to me as the kind of undirected rage that comes from having to endure mistreatment that you dont have a way to stop, first from his shitty dad and then from kamoshida with the first textually leading into the second. being able to finally actually do something about injustice therefore becomes cathartic, even healing, for him, which already helps somewhat but at the same time observing mistreatment intensely affects him emotionally beyond what he knows what to do with
(this is probably part of why hes one of the main characters who wont shut up about shitty adults too, children objectively have very little power over their circumstances which is what allows these situations to happen. its not nothing yall)
fresh mulch
i think that they prioritized his junpei-esque obsession with being recognized(that supposedly leads to their fall but i wont say it really does considering how okumura had to have a change of heart regardless but im going offtrack), and that ends up taking more of his character development than focusing much on that? (wait wasnt junpei's dad also abusive?)
uncut depot
(yea)
fresh mulch
holy shit ryuji is a kanji with junpei's personality /j
yeah i think delving more into the root of his problems, aka his complicated family situation, should be a priority here
undirected rage from abuse he couldn't fight back is a good foundation to build upon here. thanks for your thoughts
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ignore the jank
btw i kind am going for the third sem arcanas reflecting the breaking from maruki's illusions. so Ryuji's persona taking the arcana of the Sun is because he'll end up being the one to give all of them the necessary resolve to fight maruki once they join at leblanc while jonke and akechi are at the palace. after all, he is the one that keeps the team's momentum. if not for his constant drive we wouldnt even have gotten to defeat kamoshida after all
i also want them to be expansions of the rank 10s, so the reason that ryuji's new description removes the glamour and lists all the wrongs of Kidd, is because Ryuji would abandon the reality were he was friends with the track team and never committed a mistake. its him fully owning up to his past
uncut depot
oh yeah actually i was going to pull up a bit from his convo with maruki in reference to another related thing and ctrl+fing for "track" brought me here
so i guess he was actually doing a bit better in the time between shitty dad fucking off and the incident? obviously that didnt last though
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oh yeah actually i was going to pull up a bit from his convo with maruki in refe...
yeah i'd have to reframe stuff like this 🤔
like, if anything i do want him to be the star athlete of the track team. i think mirroring the high he will have once he's a phantom thief wanting recognition. letting him doing well at track get to his head at times, never the point of maliciousness because that isnt him, but to the point of rubbing off wrong on the team. also makes a parallel to wokung's own arrogance before he was humbled by buddha. in this case i might have him mention how he led success get the better of him again? stuff like that
kamoshida clearly wouldnt like someone that may show him up, so that's one of the reasons he'd hate ryuji (btw i dont remember the specifics of the whole track team thing rn lol. so i have no idea if im reciting it or coming up with something different)
plus ryuji is a loudmouth that probably didnt follow exactly what he said anyway. kamoshida is a control freak
uncut depot
i actually do have ryuji awakening bmd pulled up right now lol
fresh mulch
what i do remember is how he was called a star of the track team a few times tho
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yeah i must've been remembering that
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apparently the track team was also the main thing of repute at shujin before his ass was hired
fresh mulch
does the game touch much of ryuji's previous success?
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not on him specifically being the star player
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i think i got a good handle of my idea for ryuji now. i guess next i will be doing carmen ||doing carmen? yeah i ho—||
hm i think the momentum has been coming back to me lately, which makes me want to ride it while i can, but what if that's what's making me burning out (hmmm couldnt possibly be )
i just dont know how to take breaks 
lmao what
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the other thing re:his family that is there but not a big presence is that he basically has a single mom situation once the shitty dad fucks off, and his wanting to make things easier for her is part of why he was in track in the first place
(actually maybe im misunderstanding how japanese high school works, but being that its not compulsory i actually kinda wonder if he was originally at shujin on a sports scholarship. iirc the alternative is probably a regular-ass placement exam which seems like itd be harder for him lol)
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https://tenor.com/view/cat-love-crazy-hyper-coffee-gif-18604019
haha he looks like mine
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the other thing re:his family that is *there* but not a big presence is that he ...
thinking back this might be a reason why he's so focused on fame in the first place, even if subconsciously. spending your youth trying to sustain your own parents could theoretically make some people quite competitive and results-driven, because of the situation enforcing this behavior
huh its already late
terse shadowBOT
fresh mulch
me rn
uncut depot
lol
fresh mulch
yeah
you do /alias search
then search the emoji you want
(obviously requires nqn bot)
terse shadowBOT
grand cipher
oh shit, thought this was modding chat.
I get these two confusing sometimes. -_-
fresh mulch
nah this is #yuri
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my brain was about to blather something something akechi comparison only to wander to "haha what if yaoi threesome alongside yuri polycule"
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normally the akeshu would crowd out all other akechi shipping ideas but since thats out--
fresh mulch
if its here, then sorry, but ryuji's just str*ight
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(in a more canon-compliant scenario i usually just picture ryuji and akechi falling into a funny platonic manzai duo dynamic)
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i honestly have no strong feelings on ryuji's orientation, aside from that he def seems to be into girls and its not just an act
this is more for the narrative honestly. i think some things will just work better this way
plus we need the token cishet for representation /j
they should all kiss
is it a good idea to play video games instead of sleep
uncut depot
maybe i should mentally outline my idea of ryukita progression
something something polythieves mod
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kita?
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yusuke
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they should all kiss
that ones going a bit too far
strong moat
~~is it a good idea to play video games instead of sleep~~
please do actually get enough sleep
fresh mulch
that ones going a bit too far
nuh uh
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please do actually get enough sleep
grand cipher
please do actually get enough sleep
imagine getting enough sleep.
I gotta wake up at 6am mon-fri for work (can't imagine people waking up at like fricken 3am to do that). saturday/sundays my only days to sleep in. ;-; (again, can't imagine waking up early on a saturday)
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actually have ryuji take yusuke out for ramen like he says in that mementos convo ==> date i mean hangout just keeps going ==> ryuji realizes something about himself that hes not sure how to feel about i hate to say it but he seems like the male pt most likely to have internalized homophobia 😭
grand cipher
Hm, hard to say for ryuji.
he DOES have bustups of him blushing but that also not be meant for MC
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maybe i should write that fic...or make that mod...
strong moat
it's just like how you still need to make arke rebalance
uncut depot
nah man i dont feel like doing any more with p3r than i have :V
grand cipher
guessing thats one of oceans mods.
Like a rebalance
fresh mulch
actually have ryuji take yusuke out for ramen like he says in that mementos conv...
absolute cinema
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archon
strong moat
why are they named so similarly
close enough
anyways
that's a mod you need to make too
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man yukari's jp va is just not the same (talking of old yukari idk how she's in reload)
honestly en fes yukari is just one of my favorite voices of all time
uncut depot
why are they named so similarly
also its partly because i like the snappy mouth-feel of arke rebalance and partly because gnosticism
...but also i might pivot to some version of "[noun] of the archons" if i think of a good-sounding one lol
strong moat
that was a joke anyways bc I mixed them up lol
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honestly en fes yukari is just one of my favorite voices of all time
my goat
her Japanese voice is really good too honestly, I don't rly agree there
I think her English voice is extremely washed in reload... idk if I'd call it bad voice direction, miscast, etc but zzzzz
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her Japanese voice is really good too honestly, I don't rly agree there
well i didnt say it was bad, just that it didnt hit the same
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i sea
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i wouldnt be able to tell but i'll get back once i hear it
i wonder if i'll ever play reload this year
strong moat
honestly I'd recommend replaying FES before hopping into reload just for the comparison
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man i need this somewhere
hm the lyrics dont lend to many palaces (in which case it would be a mementios track), but the lyrics fits futaba's pretty well and sae a bit too(from the perspective of makoto). meanwhile the instruments just fit way better on sae's
better candidates for sae palace advantage theme?
actually maybe the lyrics do fit sae better?
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honestly I'd recommend replaying FES before hopping into reload just for the com...
but i want to be able to enjoy reload
grand cipher
you can enjoy both!
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btw do people still hate ken? at least i remember people really not liking him
grand cipher
Let me guess, is it because of FEMC.
If not, then hard reason to hate him. Kid ||had his mom killed, blamed as a accident and when he finally got his chance to get revenge, he lost it along with any chance of his mother being at peace. The only bad thing is he was going to commit murder-suicide.||
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i dont think anyone hated ken for the femc stuff lol
||im talking of people hating him for getting shinji killed||
like im pretty sure that from what i remember he's not devil incarnate
||also this is a game all about coping with death in general. either death of someone or your own, and ken is kind of a brilliant representation of a young kid that had that thrown at him way before he was ready, which fucked him up obviously||
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like im pretty sure that from what i remember he's not devil incarnate
would have been interesting if his arcana was Devil.
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i guess if you use devil to represent a bondage he has to his trauma...?
i suppose an addiction to revenge. honestly the devil is not too bad for him
but justice + his persona looking like the wheel of fortune fit much better
i think its suppose to represent an endless cycle or smth?
wasnt there an interview
for kala-nemi
she also looks like the infinity symbol
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like im pretty sure that from what i remember he's not devil incarnate
also, ken is a cutie patootie
he needs a hug
ngl i'd adopt him if i was a bit older
this reminds of when ken joined and junpei was actually jealous of a goddamn 10yo because the girls gave attention to him 😭
why this seems to happen a bit too often
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she also looks like the infinity symbol
Kala is a SHE??
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nemesis and kala are both goddesses
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Always thought they were a he. .-.
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egg ken confirmed??? /j
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nyx core egg????
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~~egg ken confirmed??? /j~~
... yknow, since i'll have makoto/kotone transition in the middle of p3p, then maybe ken... hmmm
'can you do that?'
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ngl i'd adopt him if i was a bit older
being fr i kinda been having some strong 'maternal urges' or smth like that recently
eh too early still
quiet prism
okay is this really a thing with teenager boys???
twice i've seen 'the dude' wit...
Not really. I mean think about all the video games and anime tubers out there and Futaba. If anything Ryuji's wall is a little underused.
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he's def not much of a deco guy
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gn
simple knoll
https://tenor.com/view/madoka-magica-madoka-homura-good-night-cute-gif-866126351...
the yuri goddesses
ruby phoenix
if this ever changes i will be buying the game a second time just to put the other persona games' casts in it i mean i'd probably need help with the models but i could probably do the gameplay and text changes
bi anthro... just like me fr fr
||motorcycles are hot|| i mean what
is morgana part of it or are you a coward
sexuality is descriptive not prescriptive. exceptions just happen sometimes
ruby phoenix
considering it has kanji support in the japanese and chinese versions it definitely has the slots for more characters
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Morning homosexs
simple knoll
lmao I love how I check discord before I go to bed sometimes and see you say good morning
sleep 
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Night
ruby phoenix
koromaru has always been the gayest member of sees wdym
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sexuality is descriptive not prescriptive. exceptions just happen sometimes
Im unsure if this counts as an exception tbh?? In fact its why i feel uncomfortable saying anything because thatd just feel even more invalidating to his identity(and by extension real people like him), i'd be focusing on the stuff that tickles my girl-loving brain, but he's are not a girl?? Like, Yamato says he's Oden and i have negative attraction to that guy lmao. I'm unsure if it'd be not invalidating to go 'wow nice tits' regardless if he likes them or not. (Sry but it just irks me when someone suggests that i may like guys in some capacity. Same problem i have with the 'everyone is a little bit bi' stuff. It just feels kinda invalidating to who i am)
I should maybe have drank some coffee first because i have no idea if i said something extremely offensive since i just woke up
But an example i've seen with trans girls online: I've read their convos talking about gay men following OFs of trans girls
Like, they didnt seem that comfortable with this fact
Simplified: my brain is just registering 'girl' even tho the identity is not 'girl', so that feels like a dick move to say he's hot, because its not for the right reasons. Also i've had enough 'havent found the right guy' for a lifetime and this feels like a similar case
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i mean if a transmasc doesnt personally mind having bazongas then i dont think theyd mind people being turned on by bazongas (provided they arent being gross about it)
sexual attraction is just awkward like that sometimes
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Yeah but im not attracted to the guy yknow what i mean?
Like, i have been attracted to 'non passing' trans girls actually
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(ignore that im aspec and only know the experience of sexual attraction secondhand :V)
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So i think i can tell when im attracted to the uh... aura?
Which is not the case here so i just want to be respectful
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(ignore that im aspec and only know the experience of sexual attraction secondha...
So, attractions is like when you see something nice and your monkey brain kinda spidersense pings or smth like that
Its weird tbh
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yes ive gathered :V
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Like if i stop to think for long enough, sex is really fucking weird too
We are all weird
ruby phoenix
because she's one of yukino's three weed smoking girlfriends (the others are maya and ulala. maybe also maki i've seen yukimaki before too)
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Like, i have been attracted to 'non passing' trans girls actually
||there isnt enough mtf transitioning yuri. I wanna see the cis gf doll her trans gf up and say she's a pretty girl(thatd be cute)||
ruby phoenix
i mean. depends on the spread and orientations
fresh mulch
The site doesnt draw reversed
uncut depot
attraction isnt rational, it just happens (or doesnt happen) whether welcome or not. as long as youre not saying tonedeaf things like "i think you were cuter when you were an egg uwu" its whatever
fresh mulch
This is quite the example lmao
But yeah if i dont think its appropriate i dont voice attraction
ruby phoenix
generally speaking, for the localised versions persona uses the japanese names transcribed into english, while shin megami tensei uses the original names
are they all from homestuck itself
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no
(actually i dont particularly care for any het homestuck ships off the top of my head)
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attraction isnt rational, it just happens (or doesnt happen) whether welcome or ...
Now this reminded me of a few transitioning stories i've seen. I kinda really enjoyed following the girls' journeys into discovering and turning into their true selves, so while the discovery and early transitioning period is a bit cute ngl, i'd hate if she didnt get to become comfortable in her own body
Sometimes i put myself in those shoes and envision how i'd feel if i suddenly was a man, and the longer i think about it, the more it just seems like torture honestly
And i dont even know if im getting close to how much they do suffer
(Which does vary from people to people tbf)
ruby phoenix
wish they did one of those comics where you flip it over and it turns into a completely different book it would've been so sick
fresh mulch
2/5? Man... thatll be some catching up to do
ruby phoenix
there was like. two pairs of games where this practice was justified ever (the zelda oracle games and sonic 3 and sonic & knuckles)
they are but also you can buy all of persona 3 dancing as dlc for persona 5 dancing and vice versa
and also they were sold in a bundle that is the only way to get the pa4 version of p4d for some bizarre reason
ruby phoenix
ah so she's a furry got it
i could legitimately see ann being a furry. and futaba and yusuke definitely are. those are the two most queer and autistic bitches (affectionate) i've ever seen
fresh mulch
ah so she's a furry got it
~~i could legitimately see ann being a furry. and fu...
i mean, i think ann is a bit too normie to really get it, but she probably finds furry stuff cute
ruby phoenix
if you're careful with your selections of what kanji to change it could be fine since every single kanji can just be represented in hiragana/katakana. no idea what to do with the other fonts part though
fresh mulch
it would be nice if there was a full jp msg dump
but rn i substituted 臼
like, okay?
??????????????????
wikia are you drunk?
ruby phoenix
p5 but everyone types like a homestuck character <:adachi_true:10555498337101498...
you know what? futaba would absolutely do that unironically. come up with a troll quirk and just use it all the time even in non homestuck circles
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now i need to learn about homestuck wont i
ruby phoenix
the urge to change this to something stupid
"Are the phantom thieves Gay?" (the answer is yes)
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wikia are you drunk?
lesbian discovers fandom is dogshit
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...what are the chances this was romanticized as 'true love'? 
hmmm.... i have an idea
ruby phoenix
you should make it so it says it's lavenza's explicitly if you start a social link after her reveal too
there are checks to make it so it doesn't fast forward to the past if you start a social link after the interrogation is done so. presumably possible
fresh mulch
hmmm.... i have an idea
okay... this is def a bit on the riskier side, but i dont think i want it to be any other way
i was very deliberate with my wording. it's definitively on purpose
prefacing: men are not entitled to women, and killing someone 'out of passion' is absolute horseshit, you just think that the person you 'loved' was your property
ruby phoenix
~~plus we need the token cishet for representation /j~~
me making every persona character queer except for specifically junpei
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thats the point here tho, carmen is a character in a stage play. she's a role to be followed for the narrative, a narrative written by men
ann didnt gain full independence and unlearned 16 years of patriarchical nonsense by standing up against a rapist
she learned to be a model and actress
so, this persona is the Devil for a reason
its not just because of kamoshida's binding on her freedom, but also a self-inflicted bondage that she doesnt know is even there
this is just a prettier chain, and the evolution to hecate will be about allowing herself to be who she truly is (thus also confessing to shiho)
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btw i cant help but feel that kamoshida might be an allusion to don josé here
ruby phoenix
~~egg ken confirmed??? /j~~
this but /srs (there is other genuine evidence too
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prefacing: men are not entitled to women, and killing someone 'out of passion' i...
btw ann directly calls this mentality out when awakening to carmen
"That dirtbag just sees women as sexual outlets! Don't make me laugh with that 'love' bullshit!"
ruby phoenix
||there isnt enough mtf transitioning yuri. I wanna see the cis gf doll her tran...
this is so true actually
ruby phoenix
(actually i dont particularly care for *any* het homestuck ships off the top of ...
fair
i mean jadedave's pretty cute (though jade should def be in lesbians with nepeta too
ruby phoenix
2/5? Man... thatll be some catching up to do
it sure was
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ruby phoenix
i mean, i think ann is a bit too normie to really get it, but she probably finds...
yeah fair enough
so anyway hiiii i am here to kiss girls
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this but /srs (there is other genuine evidence too
wait what are those
funny the ken stuff reminded me
here in p5, i'll still be keeping the adult romances
but there's no way i'll keep the ken stuff in p3p
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luckily ken sl rewrite already exists if that helps any :v
fresh mulch
how did they get away with that i have no idea
(also, how was that even approved??? 😭 )
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luckily ken sl rewrite already exists if that helps any :v
tbf at this point my ken will have a way bigger rewrite anyway
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(also, how was that even approved??? 😭 )
imagine the meeting when someone brings the idea up
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tbf at this point my ken will have a way bigger rewrite anyway
hmm what would be her new name 🤔
(yknow, transmasc kotone basically means i dont have to write any het lmao)
and for a p3r kotone i dont need to add any of the male romances that are not in the base game
ruby phoenix
wait what are those
i mean kind of a stretch but off the top of my head she reads a fashion magazine in reload
i remember there being other things too but they are escaping me rn
ruby phoenix
(yknow, transmasc kotone basically means i dont have to write any het lmao)
but. hamugis and hamuliz???
ruby phoenix
tbf. enby aigis who transitions onscreen could be interesting. and would make both aikoto and hamugis gay
fresh mulch
but. hamugis and hamuliz???
i mean, can it be het if kotone is a he/they? (flashbacks to that video about theories of nonbinary heterosexuality). transmasc is an umbrella right?
(im far from understanding all of this )
ruby phoenix
sort of? idk
i mean. either way i think just making aigis it/they enby instead would be cooler
fresh mulch
true...
i mean, there is some allegory to be had about being created to resemble a girl, and as they learn and gain their own humanity, they take control of their own identity beyond what the chassis was manufacture to resemble
🔥 transhumanism 🔥
ruby phoenix
true...
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i dont know how much of this would be in the p3r version tho, since i'd be tackling different themes (ig trans ken can stay)
i want p3p at least to be about cycles of death and rebirth, metamorphosis, and transformation, just like the death arcana
ruby phoenix
true...
and also maybe something something learning that even though her looking like a girl was to make her look more human being human can be more than just being male and female. the human experience can be more complex than that
fresh mulch
in another reality we couldve gotten furry aigis we were robbed /j
ruby phoenix
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is that adachi's... i hate it
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the evolution
here, the strength arcana is revealed
i wonder if whoever chose hecate had persephone and hades in mind, like it cant be a coincidence
to choose hecate of all goddesses, the one who guided persephone back after being kidnapped by hades, it has to be the intention
(to spell it out: shiho = persephone, hades = kamoshida)
(yes the two minions in the hecate fight were very deliberately chosen. they do have a meaning)
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yes ann becomes immune to most ailments in the game here
basically the idea of celestine is that she didnt let her given role define her, and even was responsible in shaping it to better reflect who she is
it's ann learning to be truer to herself and take control of her own life. she's an empress, a figure of highest female authority that exudes both terrifying power and a motherly kindness
the relation to third sem is that this is ann breaking free from the role maruki gave her, taking control back that was taken away from her again
jovial turret
btw do people still *hate* ken? at least i remember people really not liking him
I got personal beef with him because I was so comically underleveled in the dlc
My Métis was lvl 35 when I started the coliseum 😭
Didn’t really like her all that much so she kept my bench nice and toasty then the game made you use her
So I kept getting tossed around even on safety
strong moat
I've seen some people do still dislike Ken but since reload dropped I think things have been a little better
I do think he's one of the weaker P3 characters but
(writing wise; in P3R he's among the best party members lol)
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Goddammit i was knocked out this entire time 
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(writing wise; in P3R he's among the best party members lol)
I cant tell if you mean that his writing improved or everyone else's got worse
ruby phoenix
i think he meant he's one of the best gameplay wise
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Oh right
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gameplaywise im very interested in tackling reload modding (might not be a terrible idea to do on the side tbh. the p3p idea at least would require my full attention i think)
i just like multiple phys types
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el zorro, the hermit
one sadge part of mona nullying rage: you dont get to hear his "uugh... im pissed, dammit!" anymore
grand cipher
wow morgana, to quote you, phantom thieves are suppose to be classier then that.
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gameplaywise im very interested in tackling reload modding (might not be a terri...
another reload rebalance mod has hit the P3R GB
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tbf it wouldnt be only about rebalance
bruh why every greek statue has a micropenis
interesting, mercurius is the roman equivalent of hermes
uh where did they get any of this info from?
im kinda coming up empty on the claims from the compendium
strong moat
tbf it wouldnt be only about rebalance
thinking another rewrite project?
but also like. yeah there's 5 million rebalance mods lol so
honestly making mods to try to fix up P3P's core issues would probably be better if you're focusing on that game more. I kinda lost interest in fixing the sound issues with P3P but
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yeah but my p3p one would be way more ambitious so i wouldnt want to do together with this one
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im kinda coming up empty on the claims from the compendium
oh my god
this is mostly about JUNG's intepretations
couldve said that instead 🫠
simple knoll
it's Jung? always has been
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of course info about any of this is way too scarce and spread through random blogs in the internet
daniel, the cooler daniel
this sounds like a yugioh card lmao
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of course info about any of this is way too scarce and spread through random blo...
wait til you learn where satanaels lore comes from (its citogenesis all the way down)
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TIL citogenesis
i remember that quite a bit of disinfo in smt descriptions came from a certain book that was popular in japan at the time?
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disinfo implies on purpose unless thats a thing my brain made up
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disinfo implies on purpose unless thats a thing my brain made up
misinfo then?
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ye
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it was Barbara Walker's The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets
it's not really an accurate encyclopedia nor do i know if it was supposed to
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https://ocean-stuck.tumblr.com/post/763355752309161984/eirikrjs-the-satanael-solution-an-anon linking my reblog so people can reblog it from me :v
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it was Barbara Walker's The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets
oh, she died december of last year
rip
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https://ocean-stuck.tumblr.com/post/763355752309161984/eirikrjs-the-satanael-sol...
actually, rereading this post ive come to the conclusion that maybe protag second persona shouldve been sabaoth actually :V
unrelated
(source)
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unrelated
[(source)](https://ocean-stuck.tumblr.com/post/778314202286850048)
oh god please don't. kill him instead
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lmao
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mercurius, the star
this design is kinda underrated. it looks like a p2 persona lol
😭 whats up with these detailed-ass designs for a game that can barely show them properly
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triforce head
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i cant find any other symbolism for this shape aside from tloz
i have no idea what they were cooking here
why is hades carrying a three-legged table anyway
uncut depot
iirc it was historically a trinitarian symbol (as in, the christian trinity)
which honestly raises more questions here lmao
ruby phoenix
el zorro, the hermit
make him aeon somehow even though that's not an arcana
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~~actually, rereading this post ive come to the conclusion that maybe protag sec...
fuck what if i call it sabaoth's rebalance
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~~make him aeon somehow even though that's not an arcana~~
i mean im pretty sure it is in the game in some form, just unused
most sane love reading
honestly, high priestess would fit mercurius REALLY well
it's a bit of a confusing arcana
but it kinda of fits part of mona's role as a guide to the literal subconscious world, aka metaverse
star fits well too, but it's a bit on the more generic side
and i like curveballs
and i do have star already represented in Ella
(i mean, makoto is also a priestess but im talking beyond the confidant arcana)
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the duality of nature; masculine and feminine
ew
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unfortunately a lot of tarot has kinda been built on these binaries
uncut depot
i mean yea i dont expect centuries old woo-woo shit to be woke
i am still gonna dunk on it though
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true
i do kind of like to take these gendered cards and using them to represent characters of the other genders
its more interesting than 'girl = priestess, emperor = man'
(tho for emperor they did assign it to two men that are not giga masculine so thats cool)
makoto kinda breaks the trope a bit too
but yeah as the connector between realms mercurius fits priestess to a T
fresh mulch
(there arent that many changes tho. aside from swapping dizzy and confuse.)
Anyway, now for the Councillor, Diego
aaand im pooped
this stuff gets kinda tiring after a bit
btw have some yuri
i think now might be a good time to take a break. dont wanna burnout again
grand cipher
I almost got burnout twice in the same day from my stuff, so I would as well.
fresh mulch
at least this is a good place to stop, since the demo will only have these pts anyway
when im ready i'll be focusing on going back to the whole skill making thing
meantime idk i'll play games or do work that requires less brainpower
welp, i found a roundabout way of adding comments ig
// simply doesnt work as a comment at least
unless it uses another character for that?
fresh mulch
happy international homosex day
grand cipher
i wonder how many times akihiko actually said 'protein' in the p3 script
looks like only 6 mentions of protein
fresh mulch
honestly higher than i expected
grand cipher
Shinji mentioning it once, then 5 mentions of it on some sort of shop.
So really aki said nothing about it.
fresh mulch
huh i remember him saying at least once
>is working
>stops working to take a brea—
>instant wave of depression
ugh i just cant stop rn
alrighty i remembered to do a backup of the mod
fresh mulch
i think this is it for psy honestly
hmm actually maybe i'll have even the str psy skills cost sp. it just feels fitting
for more unique skills that could fit psy, Mada's Intoxicate will probably be a damaging dizzy skill instead, and mother harlot's Death Lust a damaging Brainwashing skill. maybe i keep babylon goblet as almighty?
well, psy's main advantage is still tech'ing a good portion of ailments, and it itself having a low chance of inflicting one of 3 very debilitating ailments on neutral
ugh its late. maybe i'll feel better after i sleep
good night yall
fresh mulch
I cant fall asleep so im just gonna regurgitate stuff in my head
My planned Trans Wrongs List:
- Futaba, transgal, before the story
- Makoto(p3p), transfem, middle of the story
- Kotone(p3p), transmasc, middle of the story
- Ken(p3p and p3r), transgirl, middle of the story
- Aigis(p3p, unsure p3r), idk neither do they, middle of the story
- Yukiko, transgal, before the story
While we are at it, planned MCs list:
- Joker FEMC(Rei). This one lmao. Afab
- Yu FEMC(name undecided). P4R. Afab
- Makoto FEMC(name undecided). P3P. MtF
- Makoto FEMC(name undecided). P3R. Afab
- Kotone MC(name undecided). P3P. FtM
- Kotone FEMC(name undecided). P3R. Afab
If anyone has suggestions i'll read em
... Im noticing a pattern
Technically the modersona protagonists are all afab already if you think about it
Assigned Fool At Birth
fresh mulch
Would the yukiko ship be yukiyuki
simple knoll
also you can keep the name makoto bc makoto is a girl's name
fresh mulch
I dont want to keep names, because i want discussion to not be confusing
simple knoll
true
fresh mulch
Btw fuck you atlus for making 2 makotos
simple knoll
well atlus didn't decide on the name makoto. the writers of the p3 movies did
fresh mulch
These characters probably have alternate manga names or smth?
simple knoll
yes
fresh mulch
Why is that such a common thing
simple knoll
mintao arisato, minako arisato, souji seta
and femc has another name
himako
i don't remember the last name
kotone shiomi is from the stage play
not sure where himako came from
fresh mulch
Ill probably be using those surnames at least for the femcs like i did with rei here
simple knoll
i like minato and minako arisato bc twins
fresh mulch
I do want to drive home the idea of them being two sides of the same coin so thats probably what i'll use
simple knoll
p4 protag is very funny to me bc souji seta did NOT last long. the p4 anime came out and it's like everyone forgot the name souji
tbf they used yu narukami in the arena games
fresh mulch
I do want to drive home the idea of them being two sides of the same coin so tha...
What if they swapped bodies on the accident where only one lived? /j
I dont wanna introduce magical stuff to explain the transness tbh, even if the idea can be cool
Idk feels like wrong to me, even if my writer brain says itd be interesting
simple knoll
p4 femc is ehh to be only bc it makes yosuke's crush on yu no longer gay
fresh mulch
Yosuke now wants kanji's manly, sweaty pecs
simple knoll
oh god
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im sorry
lunar vector
Femc + Ai Ebihara is peak 😎
fresh mulch
Yu's a prince who wouldnt tbh
simple knoll
CLOSETED TRANSFEM YOSUKE
fresh mulch
Im unsure how to feel about that
fresh mulch
Femc + Ai Ebihara is peak 😎
True...
Basically ai's journey to unlearn comphet on her forced lameass crush
simple knoll
i have a hard time seeing yu with anyone but yosuke unfortunately lol
simple knoll
Basically ai's journey to unlearn comphet on her forced lameass crush
she asks yu to pretend to be her boyfriend because she "looks masculine enough"
fresh mulch
Eh the plot beat would be different
This is still an early 2000s small rural town after all
simple knoll
it takees place in 2010 but yeah
fresh mulch
Yu's mere presence is very radical already tho
But thats the point itd be going for
'Do city girls dress like guys?'
'Something like that.'
simple knoll
game released in 2008 takes place in 2010. maybe they thought it'd take longer to make
fresh mulch
'Do city girls dress like guys?'
'Something like that.'
Funny that this is the opposite here in p5 lol
fresh mulch
Assigned Fool At Birth
cmon im very proud of this one
lunar vector
I support the Souyo Soldiers but it only took one event with Ai for her to win me over 😔 Mean difficult femmes who sort of hate you, you will always be famous......
simple knoll
i didn't like ai
fresh mulch
I love mean femmes thatd call me names—
I mean what
But yeah, Yu femc that is basically the archetypical Yuri prince that awakens the gay in every girl at school
lunar vector
Yutena...
fresh mulch
I think trans yukiko has a goldmine of untapped potential and angst
Specially stealth. No one knows her birth gender and she wants to keep it that way
But midnight channel...
Hm what were the specifics in how the tv world worked again?
It showed what the viewers wanted to see right? But it also had the true, hidden parts of the person in there
lunar vector
I don't remember any "what the viewers wanted to see" aspect.
fresh mulch
The hospital
simple knoll
the tv god i forgot the name of did the "shows what people want to see" part and izanami was the fog or the true self part iirc
fresh mulch
When you are doing the decision ™ and the culprit appears on tv
lunar vector
Well, lol, that explains it, since I still haven't finished the game. (I roughly know how the rest goes, though.)
fresh mulch
Well i wouldve spoiler tag if i knew that
simple knoll
same lmao
lunar vector
Idc about spoilers
fresh mulch
Strategic emote deployment
lunar vector
I think caring about spoilers in a modding forum is a bit silly, but I can't make that decision for everyone 😅
rare oriole
fresh mulch
Well at least now you are ready for the fact that nanako just straightup dies and the game ends
simple knoll
i think nanako should've stayed dead
and not for a sinister reason just
her magically coming back t olife was kind of bullshit
or she should've never died in the first place and went into a indefinite coma or something
fresh mulch
Tbf death is just an extra prolonged coma
I wonder if its possible to be a persona fan without being spoiled about adachi
lunar vector
(it is not)
grand cipher
her magically coming back t olife was kind of bullshit
She’s watching Yu.
Should the culprit be thrown into a tv, she realizes there’s no true justice in this world and her big bro was consumed by vengeance to find the truth.
fresh mulch
Oh right i'd have to write yosuke's reaction to yukiko's uh 'reveal'
I dont really want to change him that much, but man idk
Oh wait what if chie was her only childhood friend and she is the only one who knows of her past
Omg the trust and intimacy 🔥
Hmm whos the big spoon tho
cough cough this is not a reskinned 'who tops' cough cough
Is rise just gonna be a raging homosexual for yu here?
strong moat
~~i didn't like ai~~
boooo
fresh mulch
Tbh she's weirdly carefree about scandals
Okay one more before i go
Now i'll proceed to sleep
simple knoll
idk
uncut depot
p4 protag is very funny to me bc souji seta did NOT last long. the p4 anime came...
souyos on ao3 use it and no one else
restive kernel
new femc project?
uncut depot
game released in 2008 takes place in 2010. maybe they thought it'd take longer t...
no p3 does it too, p5 wouldve if not for delays
restive kernel
no p3 does it too, p5 wouldve if not for delays
yup lol
and they were too far in to adjust it
fresh mulch
Mornin blahajers
fresh mulch
new femc project?
Technically its more than a year old yes
fresh mulch
i think this should be it for nuke
uncut depot
hehe
fresh mulch
ugh i just need to power through the skill stuff so i can actually get to the fun part
im still so far from finishing that goshdarn wip page
fresh mulch
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an example of an offensive ailment skill. a neat thingy is that it uses sleep affinity for the damage portion, but it doesnt actually inflict sleep, inflicting other ailments instead
from what i've tested, in these cases, the ailment you 'get' is a random one between the available ailments, and if it decided it will inflict despair, and you null despair, nothing aside from the damage will happen for example
this can get silly for non-damaging ailment skills that can inflict multiple ailments. like, if you use a brainwashing skill that can inflict brainwashing or sleep on an enemy weak to brainwashing, if the opponent nulls sleep, there is a chance that the attack will connect, show a 'WEAK' on top of the enemy, and just... do nothing lmao
fresh mulch
okay now every elemental skill i planned so far is in the game
now almighty, phys, gun, healing, support, and ailments 🫠
good news: most of these were already implemented like a year ago, just need to retweak to fall better in line with what i've done so far
i'll probably be doing something less mentally taxing like the new skill descriptions for now tho
it didnt down????
okay copying the skill's effects to kouha didnt work, so i at least know something in the effects is preventing the down instead of it being hardcoded
lmao while i was testing i got 3 instakill effects in a row, which i didnt want
figured out
at least it's simple
now hama/mudo are not niche gambling skills. you can use them to at least get a weakness down, and maybe a IK as well, and because of their 5% SP depletion from the target, they can also be useful on bosses in the long run of the fight
an example of hama in action
spoilers: the instakill didnt proc once
it still kinda sting when it doesnt IK, because it costs 9 whole sp for very little damage, which is a lot early game, but it at least allows for more baton pass chains than before
strong moat
I think the grades are a bit confusing ngl
can you just say 100% acc instead of never misses
fresh mulch
100% accuracy can be interpreted as being still affected by accuracy modifiers
fresh mulch
in games like pokemon, 100% can turn into not 100% after stuff like evasion boosts of accuracy nerfs
strong moat
do they deplete 5% of the max user or enemy SP
strong moat
in games like pokemon, 100% can turn into not 100% after stuff like evasion boos...
this is not pokemon tbf
fresh mulch
this is not pokemon tbf
yes but persona does not show accuracy numbers in the first place
the average person might think that normally a skill is 100% like in the other introductory jrpg
strong moat
persona doesn't have offensive skills that are 100% accurate afaik with the exception of special attacks
fresh mulch
i just wanna be very clear
strong moat
the average person will read 100% as 100% I think
fresh mulch
persona doesn't have offensive skills that are 100% accurate afaik with the exce...
you can only know that by looking at a wiki tho
if anything smt's way of handling it is weird, 99% can be influenced by accuracy modifiers but 100% completely ignores them, even tho you can theoretically reduce 100% with the modifierts
it's just specifically programmed for 100% to bypass
i think in pokemon it's 101% that activates the 'bypass acc check', which is displayed as --
anyway, it's way clearer to just say it cant miss 🫠
i swear sometimes yall insist in the weirdest things
fresh mulch
I think the grades are a bit confusing ngl
yeah i still am not sure how to handle this
strong moat
i swear sometimes yall insist in the weirdest things
I just feel it reads weird that's all
fresh mulch
I guess i can just ignore grades and instead, actually add the 'effective damage' for multihit skills? like, idk, x1-3 minuscule(35) damage (avg. 140 damage)
because its not intuitive at all due to square root
but that also reads weird if you are not aware of this detail...
strong moat
square root the damage value, multiply in whatever standardizing factor, and go from there
fresh mulch
I just feel it reads weird that's all
only going to be present in the hama/mudo lines + a few weirdos that have 100% accuracy. but not gonna appear in stuff like healing skills tbf
strong moat
this is what detailed descriptions for P3 does iirc
fresh mulch
which p3
strong moat
P3P I think
strong moat
only going to be present in the hama/mudo lines + a few weirdos that have 100% a...
I mean either way I'm not going to push back on it too much and it is your mod so you can do whatever you want
strong moat
fresh mulch
oh i should've searched 'description' instead of 'detailed'
strong moat
yeah I just misremembered the name
since you are editing skills, if you follow this logic you could just adjust your damage values to make your descriptions more logically useful
fresh mulch
hmmmm
this might be the best angle for this
do these games all use the same damage formulas?
strong moat
they differ slightly I think. I'm not sure exactly by how much
strong moat
what you could do
is try to find the damage formula for p5r
and then adjust your damage values so that when this methodology is applied, your final numbers look clean
fresh mulch
the annoying thing is that everything i see online seems to not been from datamining, just observation
strong moat
it's not very intuitive to see 1-3 hits 67 damage. it's more intuitive to see 1-3 hits 70 damage
yeah you might have to do some reverse engineering and or testing
strong moat
you get what I mean though right lol
fresh mulch
yeah i aint reverse engineering for this
hm yeah this looks much closer to the actual values
i feel an intense need to round these to the nearest 5 or 10 ngl
strong moat
that's why I was recommending you figure out the P5R damage formula
you figure that out -> you can adjust your base damage values to account for that + make it look all nice without the need for substantial rounding
fresh mulch
im honestly impressed how p5's damage formula has remained so elusive for this long
i just aint getting consistent answers. might be best to just do a x10 and if i learn the true formula, it'll be very simple to adjust the numbers
sudden mist
im honestly impressed how p5's damage formula has remained so elusive for this l...
i have reverse engineered the damage formula
for metaphor
from what i've seen with p5r it'd be similar since they use the same systems for damage calculation
strong moat
i just aint getting consistent answers. might be best to just do a x10 and if i ...
I figured it would be more work because you would have to
- adjust all skill damage values accordingly
- change all descriptions of skills + items to match
strong moat
from what i've seen with p5r it'd be similar since they use the same systems for...
makes sense, probably built from the same foundation
well
you can always experiment with it anyways to figure out if it is accurate to P5R too
fresh mulch
i have reverse engineered the damage formula
for metaphor
im still attempting to understand what im seeing
sudden mist
oh that's just the tool I made to validate the accuracy of the reimplementation
the calculation itself is a few thousand lines of code
fresh mulch
'a few thousand'
sudden mist
its probably more like several thousand, i was just going off the number from calc.rs
there's stuff I wrote in other files too
strong moat
what's the formula you calculated?
sudden mist
this is the output from datSkilEfficacyCalcMultiple (original + rewrite) which is where almost all of the formula is calculated from
it outputs a list of calculation files, one for each target (player or enemy) which contains two "efficacy entries" (stores stuff like hp/sp gained/lost, damage type etc.). There are two for what's sent to the target and a reflection to inflict back onto the source unit if the skill repels
fresh mulch
do i just need the resulting damage from the calc between equal offensive stat and endurance to get the multiplier? (dividing that by the square root of the base power to get the difference)
bufu is 60 bp, so 7.745 squared, by comparing to the 54 damage it creates a multiplier of 6.9722 applied to the squared base power. now there are random rolls so it's probably closer to x7
i'll just proceed with x7 ig
... oh right im using excel. i dont need to calculate everything on my own
strong moat
yeah I think the rng factor is typically ±5%
so it's probably just 7x
but well, it wouldn't hurt to run more tests to be sure
fresh mulch
i got 54 twice and the numbers are very small rn for a bigger margin
my arsene is 12 mag, incubus i set to 12 endurance, and i have no boosts
fresh mulch
my arsene is 12 mag, incubus i set to 12 endurance, and i have no boosts
.... right bufu uses str now
dangit
okay changing bufu to mag stat gave me this
this is giving me numbers closer to x9.7
getting 77 now. could be x10 after all, and i lowrolled...?
maybe not x10, but it's close enough tbf. better to just do the cleaner math
fresh mulch
now hama/mudo are not niche gambling skills. you can use them to at least get a ...
oh, right, the enemy can also use this...
being hit by mudo may not kill you every time, but it will drain 5% max sp and break your guard
good
i made them icons i'm gonna use them icons
strong moat
nice
fresh mulch
i guess i can use some mementos bosses to put the cool music that i cant fit anywhere in the main game
i'm actually liking p3r music more than i was expecting to honestly
mass destruction just... sets a strong first impression
but overall its good i'd say
fresh mulch
fresh mulch
🔥 🔥
ann will 100% get this
btw it seems that magic piercing only works for resist here? null and above, according to the template, wont be pierced
😭 the hell was that
(i still havent implemented the updated ailment affinities btw)
strong moat
mass destruction just... sets a strong first impression
you get used to that one tbh I think it's a sidegrade
generally I think azumis vocals are a slightly downgrade overall but they're not ruining the songs. oh and 3/31 reload is atrocious dogshit and a lot of the reload songs have oddly poor mixing
fresh mulch
euuhgh im so sleepy today
bruh why cant programs just decide for once if redo is ctrl + y or ctrl + shift + z, in fact, why not have both work??
fresh mulch
you get used to that one tbh I think it's a sidegrade
calling it ass destruction is funny tho
fresh mulch
evil p5 be like: a man (the same version)
grand cipher
Good p5 be like: My Homie
fresh mulch
ngl i really want this as one of the battle themes in kaneshiro
https://youtu.be/JwbzMatHI5E
but the question is: advantage or surrounded?
tho if i have it as the neutral it'll be the song often played on scripted encounters
i guess the buildup works well for disadvantage? it'll often be going to the good part after the shadows' initial turn
lunar vector
Since the topic of P4 Characters To Trans Their Genders was happening here recently, I feel the need to share the peak someone posted just today:
https://www.tumblr.com/calebwittebane/808071744534544384/miss-kaaaaanji-i-cant-be-the-only-one-to-realize?source=share
uncut depot
oh no shes hot
fresh mulch
if p4 was good
uncut depot
i feel things that i used to think were sexual attraction until i realized the sexual part of that wasnt actually there. you feel me
fresh mulch
kanji but the crossdressing pageant woke something in her
fresh mulch
~~i feel things that i *used* to think were sexual attraction until i realized t...
i honestly have no idea what sexual attraction is supposed to be like tbh
im undoubtedly not asexual, but allos confuse me too sometimes
(like im one to talk)