[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

[strong moat]

just make it her decision lol

don't have Yukiko go tell her who she's supposed to be, she should come to that conclusion on her own while the rest of the team is generally supportive. it's a bit odd for Naoto bc the other awakenings have the team being supportive

[fresh mulch]

thats actually a very progressive change /j

[strong moat]

I don't feel equipped to do anything more with Naoto, I don't know that I am in a spot to be able to make a respectful writing change there to try to account for the cultural differences and what not

so I'd rather just lean into improving what's currently there

ykwim

I would not do this because P4G event editing would probably be too CBT for this but if I did have the skills and tools I'd probably just go ask a few trans friends what they think lol

[uncut depot]

i mean ur right, that would be sufficient to un-terfify it while probably still being within what pstudio would actually be allowed to do

however consider: my personal bespoke preferences

[strong moat]

I ultimately don't really have a huge issue personally with some of the P4 character arcs not explicitly being about queerness, it's not the story they're trying to tell.

I think though it would be really nice to see it addressed in some capacity because P4, for all it does, kinda drops those points when it feels like these are significant parts of their characters. even in some smaller side dialogue or something

[fresh mulch]

this just made me realize how little a series called Persona seem to handle gender expression. 4 is surprisingly bold when looking back at 3 and 5

[strong moat]

yeah I think that's something that isn't considered a lot with P4 given all the discourse around it

could it have been written better? sure, I think expanding on the queerness of some of the characters would have been great and it is a missed opportunity especially for a game like P4 which was released in 2008

I also think at the same time given it was released in 2008 they still did a decent job overall and the other messages and themes of the game are also very strong too

[fresh mulch]

the only other example i can think of is boy with earring and that is not even brought up anyway. he's just a boy with earring

[strong moat]

basically I love p4 very much lol and I'm not too harsh on it unlike how some people can be with the discourse but of course I have to acknowledge that it could have done better in some areas

i don't really write fanfic or anything but I feel like I would like to be somewhat conservative with my changes (ofc not that conversative ykwim lol) to try to enhance the existing writing rather than change a ton

[uncut depot]

thats me with 5 tbh lol

[strong moat]

(this is my philosophy with a lot of mods in general, enhance rather than change)

[fresh mulch]

i have scope creep so what starts with a simple 'enhance' ends up going out of control

[uncut depot]

understandable have a nice day

[strong moat]

5 is a game where I am a bit less positive on its writing but that really just means I want to see more writing changes that enhance things while keeping the general spirit of the existing writing

just leave what's already done well and work on things that aren't

and really I just have less problems with P4 writing than P5 writing lmao

[fresh mulch]

has there been anyone interested in making a mod like that

[strong moat]

and then there's P3 which is good but it's messy for other reasons

[strong moat]

I don't think so

[fresh mulch]

exactly, p3 would be perfect if mitsuru and yukari just french kissed already

[uncut depot]

i think ive mentioned this before but imo the problems i have with p4 are a bigger deal to me even if i dont disagree with p5 having more problems

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smirk-smiling-cat-cat-smiling-cat-cat-meme-gif-12097008792031340984

[fresh mulch]

same

[strong moat]

yeah you have mentioned that

[fresh mulch]

p5's flaws are easier to ignore imo

[strong moat]

I just don't agree personally but I mean it's just a difference of opinion at the end of the day, that's all

[uncut depot]

also p5 has akeshu and i am ride or die for akeshu

[fresh mulch]

i think its two things:
1 - i hate early 2000s anime humor. and i also hate cringe humor
2 - p4 can be very mean spirited to people like me and well that doesnt feel nice

[rare oriole]

i love p4 but i dont like how the ending basically has everyone doing/becoming what was expected of them anyways

[fresh mulch]

(some of that did snuck in in p5 tho)

[strong moat]

I've never really agreed with that tbh I think it's more nuanced than that (I've seen the argument before lol), I think it only appears that way on a surface level

although again I think there are some missed opportunities for sure that would've been nice to capitalize on

[uncut depot]

tbf i feel like a lot of that in p5's case is how long and troubled its development was, remember it started in 2008 lol
notably none of the royal additions make it worse unless you count cut content

[strong moat]

the thing that actually bothers me tbh about p4 discourse is moreso the people who act like the characters aren't woke, none of them have any queerness to them, etc

idk how anyone can come to that conclusion frankly. I think those elements of queerness only add to the character writings' strengths overall, it's certainly not something that should be ignored

it's something I kinda wish had been more explored in 5 at all? instead they put in the really homophobic scenes with those gay men being creeps that I just feel are more offensive overall

and it's just like. ok then. yeah this is definitely what we wanted to see

totallyyyyy

[fresh mulch]

i remember reading an opinion online about p4, at the end of the day, being quite conservative(as in, the definition of favoring tradition). i remember yukiko's arc being cited as an example, as well as this.
i personally am unsure because it has been a while since i've actually sit down and paid attention to the writing, because i usually just ffw in ng+, so i wouldnt be able to tell my own opinion until i sit down again to more properly analyse it. just wanted to bring this up

[strong moat]

I think yukikos arc being used as an example kinda misunderstands that arc in general but Yukiko is oftentimes quite misunderstood in general...

[fresh mulch]

i wouldnt be able to argue 'cause i really dont remember much

[strong moat]

like I can get the criticism that man I wish some of the characters outwardly changed more but I think P4 kinda tries to aim to hit on nuance that is often missed (Yukiko is a prime example. her arc is not that she wants to leave the inn and then decides she actually wants to stay there)

ok I guess that is her arc at a surface level LMAO but that's not what it's about

the thing is like when you look at her arc in a bit more detail, having her leave the inn feels like it would actually weaken her writing overall

you'd have to do a more substantial rewrite to make it work

I've seen similar criticism for Rise actually, although not as much as Yukiko. most people just think Rise's only role is to simp endlessly for the protagonist and that's also a pretty bad misread of her character too lol

[fresh mulch]

funny, p4 does handle a lot with queerness even if no labels are dropped on the player, because kinda the whole tagline is 'be your true self', and they are actually exploring self discovery
p5's biggest thing are people that have been cast out of society rebelling against the system that hurt them, something that is historically been very, very queer (yes, in japan too, shocker). but p5 barely acknowledges that and puts gag gay men for some reason

[strong moat]

yeah exactly. I think P4 tackling it in the first place is really good. P5 not even trying to address it is really odd

I wonder if they thought it'd be forced but that's just a silly mindset. queer people exist, acknowledging their existence isn't forcing shit

[fresh mulch]

tbf that is what will stick to the player's mind with how obnoxious that can be to some

[strong moat]

skill issue obviously

[fresh mulch]

i dont particularly care enough but i see why other parts of her would be missed

[strong moat]

I genuinely don't think I'd make any substantial changes to Rise if I could make the call for P4R

[fresh mulch]

well they acknowledged the gay men and they were pretty forced

[strong moat]

yeahhhhhh lol like don't do that omfg

I need to emphasize that I do really love persona games when I say this and that I also really enjoy this game and I'm not just saying I like this because I want to win discourse points on twitter

but in the 20h or so I've played metaphor it's actually been really refreshing with how differently it handles its fan service

[fresh mulch]

you see, something is forced if i disagree with it. so funny gay men that add nothing to the plot is not forced at all, but having one of my comfort characters express homoerotic feelings is too far

[strong moat]

so far I do not feel they've done anything to explore queerness if that's what you're wondering about but it's so refreshing to see fan service where the punch line isn't just, oh haha boys will be boys or haha the girls love beating up the guys for no reason hahahaa

[fresh mulch]

holy shit fr

[uncut depot]

oh no, butch girlkisser has caught reddit incel disease!!
/j

[strong moat]

this is where I think p4 has a bit of missed potential, I love the characters as is but I don't think it's hard to argue that if they'd just actually touched on their queerness more, it would enhance their writing further

[fresh mulch]

nuh uh im not involutarily celibate im voluntarily celibate 😤

(when girl to kiss 🥲 )

[strong moat]

like Yosuke and Kanji in particular. Naoto I've actually always been a bit whatever with her to be completely honest.

and then Chie and Yukiko have a bit of stuff going on purely in canon, although it's nothing like Yosuke or Kanji. I like the ship but I also don't think it would necessarily enhance their existing characters if that makes sense, it would moreso add another facet to them

the thing to actually fix about Yukiko is making her not throw so much during the investigation bc holy fuck

[uncut depot]

i will forever be disappointed in humanity that "red pill" became adopted by mra-types while being from a movie by two trans women

[fresh mulch]

that'd get in the way of the power fantasy of banging every girl you like so there can't be any sapphic romance

[rare oriole]

it's been a min, but i just felt like a lot of slinks started with "i dont wanna do x (something traditional/conservative/expected)" to end with "i'll do x, but on my own terms"

[fresh mulch]

really showed them

[rare oriole]

if it was just one it'd be w/e, but i feel like naoto, chie, yukiko, rises all fit that

[strong moat]

I always kinda felt like P5 leaned more into that power fantasy aspect than any other persona game, I don't know how to really explain it bc P4 technically also does do some of that but it doesn't feel nearly as bad

P3R also does it too, and I feel it's worse than P4 about it

[fresh mulch]

why would they do that are they stupid (this is rhetorical)

[fresh mulch]

well you cant date the hot single mom in p4 so there's that

imagine if it was p5

[strong moat]

true, P4 at least largely prevents those weird romances from being possible

even the nurse isn't like that

[fresh mulch]

hellooo nurse

i am still so confused about her slink wth was that

man the tower arcana is weird

"who?"

[strong moat]

I mean I can explain it if you want lol

[fresh mulch]

please do

what was revelations persona cooking...

more dead 😭

[uncut depot]

yu: "this is my girlfriend yukiko, and this is yukikos girlfriend chie"

[fresh mulch]

now i wonder how hard p3 would've flopped if it somehow had the p1 localization treatment

ig it wasnt until p5 that the west was a huge factor in their sales

[strong moat]

so she's really lonely. as a nurse, all the connections she makes are with her patients, who eventually leave her. she's attention starved, and it's bad enough that she desperately tries to get the attention of the protagonist even.

the way she acts obviously is pretty wrong but she does acknowledge this pretty early on in the link (also note that rejecting her advances will give you more SL points as well)

[fresh mulch]

interesting

[uncut depot]

me dating naoto but i believe in bigender naoto supremacy so it turns into that "theories of nonbinary heterosexuality" shitpost

[fresh mulch]

lets be real yu is not 100% hetero

[uncut depot]

<== actually is in a relationship with an afab bigender person

[uncut depot]

you can tell how long its been since i played p4 because i actually maxed her and i remembered fuckall of this

[strong moat]

well the first time I played P4 I didn't retain all this lol

I just loved the game enough to NG+ it and really lock in + watch way too many analysis videos

[uncut depot]

wdym its been 8 years since i popped that totally legit ps2 iso into pcsx2

[strong moat]

it's funny that I say that though bc P4 is the newsona I've played the least

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-olympics-cat-tv-cat-watch-tv-gif-18243601438524439185

[strong moat]

P3:

• 2 FES
• 1 portable
• 1 reload

P5:

• 1 OG
• 2 royal

P4:

• 2 golden

[fresh mulch]

man it has been that long since i popped that completely illegal, pirated ps2 iso into pcsx2

[uncut depot]

ive probably played the most p3 thinking about it, i got like 2/3 of the way through a fes ng+ before getting bored

[strong moat]

I attempted to replay OG and royal once only to stop early on lol

with OG I actually got all the way to Okumura

and then stopped

[fresh mulch]

p3: 1 fes, still portable, 0 reload
p4: 1 og, 2 golden
p5: 2 og, 3 royal

[strong moat]

with my most recent royal playthrough on PC I finished kamoshida and then stopped

[uncut depot]

i...have a ng+ file for royal but all ive done is the tutorial lol

[fresh mulch]

funny that i remember a lot of p3 even if it was in one fes playthrough when i was a preteen

[strong moat]

on PC I have not finished a single playthrough

[fresh mulch]

ig p3's story was also pretty straightforward tbf

[uncut depot]

neither have i :D (i only launch it to test mods lmao)

[strong moat]

I want to do a playthrough though at some point

might happen when I start streaming for my friends

[uncut depot]

maybe someday when i have enough mods to craft the ideal p5 that exists in my head ill actually buckle down and do a proper playthrough :V

[strong moat]

I want to replay P4 though it's been calling to me

[fresh mulch]

i did a complete royal on pc with some mods as i've said before. as i was playing i was getting more and more of an itch to mod it myself and here we are

unrelated but i love women

[strong moat]

really? couldn't tell

[fresh mulch]

btw would it be surprising if i said that, more often than not, i do the cheating route?(i refuse to call it a harem 🤮 )
like, im very, very loud of my dislike of it

its honestly just because completionist brain. i often do everything i can

however, i stayed loyal to sumi and marie in my last p4 and p5 playthroughs

since i'll be doing a proper polycule here, you should be able to get every romantic chocolate in a single run honestly

[uncut depot]

i do one person per playthrough though who that person is varies (i did futaba in og and sumire in royal. i will probably do akechi in a modded playthrough but first i and/or raven should fix gay jonkler lol)

[fresh mulch]

makes me wonder how many did a loyal to ohio ohya playthrough

[uncut depot]

if a true poly mod comes out that might convince me to do multiple per playthrough lol

[fresh mulch]

closest you'll get is the one that removes the cheating event or this one

unless someone is doing one rn?

[fresh mulch]

also the people are wrong here sorry

[uncut depot]

there was that concept post asking for one though i dont think it went anywhere

[fresh mulch]

it is a lot of work after all. specially if you are going to try to properly do real poly and not just a harem power fantasy (aka, you have to change a lot of stuff from vanilla)

[strong moat]

a little bit to be honest given you do say you dislike it lol

I have only ever done a single romance in each playthrough with the exception of FES (but that doesn't really count)

[fresh mulch]

honestly that makes me the most equipped for talking about it

[strong moat]

honestly in most cases, the romance is a bit less interesting from a character development standpoint. I think it works best for characters like Chie though

[fresh mulch]

the romance in general is def a case of what the game wants clashing with the narrative (persona has quite a laundry list of stuff like that)

for example, ann should've kissed shiho and left you at the rooftop alone

[uncut depot]

im tempted to date naoto if i replay p4 but iirc you have to pick the yikes option? maybe if p4r makes it suck less

[fresh mulch]

doesnt this help that?

[rare oriole]

~~can also pressure her to be more girly for you ~~

[strong moat]

which option?

[fresh mulch]

if p5 was good

||/srs||

https://youtu.be/eKXNxRZIqE8

[uncut depot]

im usually p completionist myself but wrt to romance i honestly dont care enough to justify cheating to myself. i guess just bc most of the substantive romance content is stuff you can only do with one of the girls anyway, you cant go on like multiple christmas dates lol
the rest is like. hearts in menu ig? honmei-chocos thatll sit in my inventory forever?

i did savescum to see both platonic and romantic rank 9 for sumire, just for the thieves' den platonic achievement, ig in hindsight i couldve done the inverse for everyone else to get the romantic one?

[fresh mulch]

the chocolates should've been infinite uses smh

[uncut depot]

ider what they do lol

[fresh mulch]

bruh cant even use inbattle

[uncut depot]

lmao

[fresh mulch]

ig i just never really cared tbh. i've always been very polyamorous ig? i just pretended that everyone was okay with it because at the end of the day, the 'consequences' barely exist at all in the first place, just one scene you can completely ignore (and p5 even made it funny compared to p4. wth)

[grand cipher]

I don’t get it.

Also ted, you have a fricken suit on

[fresh mulch]

he wants to get rub-rub with kechi

[uncut depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y7tIFKCUQg

[fresh mulch]

i wish i could quote this but 'btw im a lesbian' doesnt ring very well

im struggling to find good anims for the tera skills

btw these anims are sick

have to remember to reuse them

[mellow pecan]

This is Yoshizaka and Kandori erasure.

[fresh mulch]

who

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-boxing-jump-yeet-gif-22560829

[mellow pecan]

Persona 2 and 1 antagonists, respectively.

[fresh mulch]

(i know)

thinking about it, the sooner i finish this, the sooner i can start p3 and p4, and the sooner i finish those two, the sooner i can do pq, which means that i'll finally be able to have a full polycule with all the modersona girls...

im fired up now

these are in now

[rare oriole]

im starting to think this girlkisser person might be a bit gay

[fresh mulch]

nuh uh

https://youtu.be/eluz_4-HtpI

im a girl kisser

(i have to play signalis dont i)

[fresh mulch]

it'll take a while until i get to do my adhd test

(hopefully medication should solve all of my issues right)

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-distracted-productive-cute-dog-gif-13665497

[fresh mulch]

wow

i was not expecting this from what i've gotten from the q games so far

[grand cipher]

Persona 3 4 and 5 have those moments as well

[fresh mulch]

uh yeah

im surprised that came from pq specifically is all

[ruby phoenix]

SHE'S FUJOSHING OUT

[fresh mulch]

if akechi didnt kill her mom she might have been a shuake shipper in another timeline

[fresh mulch]

if i ever find my drawing tablet's pen i should probably try drawing again

but that thing vanished

[grand cipher]

where was the last place you had it

[fresh mulch]

pq2's second act was rather touching

[fresh mulch]

already searched there

[grand cipher]

as you may have just tucked it under your bed? Closet?

[fresh mulch]

why would i go back to the closet

[grand cipher]

sacrifices must be made for the tablet.

[fresh mulch]

despite this

[grand cipher]

they copy and pasted the same model for the hands and feet. ew

[fresh mulch]

i was wondering, are 6 innate skills too much if the upside is that the persona you are fusing is relatively stronger than usual? you only get 2 skills to inherit into that persona, since there is no means of overriding the innates unlike smt5

i guess this could incentivize more card usage? idk

but the default in vanilla seems to be 4 innates, so i wonder how much the gameplay would change with 5 innates by default

i do want money to be a bigger concern, so bumping the default to 5 could really increase optimal fusion prices in general

(as in, you have to summon more often)

[simple knoll]

yosuke stop revealing your inferiority complex you're scaring away the hoes

if only they gave him this much depth in the base game

[grand cipher]

is it on purpose his pattern looks like a skeleton almost?

[fresh mulch]

idk hoes like vulnerable guys i think

im a gay hoe so i wouldnt know

[simple knoll]

yu narukami

[fresh mulch]

i dont think there's a deeper meaning here

but does look like something like that

[fresh mulch]

you narukami

[simple knoll]

yu was attracted to yosuke's patheticness

[fresh mulch]

he likes boyfailures

as a girlfailure, i like girlfailures too, that's why i love futaba

https://tenor.com/view/cat-rabbit-cat-rabbit-cat-and-rabbit-cat-sleep-gif-5780726925060253864

good night

im eepy

I wonder, in a p4 tyt with the same femc concept, how long would yosuke take to realize yu is a girl, and how would he react...

I guess we do have a blueprint for that in canon already with naoto, but that is also a much later yosuke

[ruby phoenix]

for your consideration also: naoto is closeted transfem instead so making her live as a girl is the progressive option

[fresh mulch]

Idea: yukiko's concept of 'prince' comes solely from early 2000s yuri

(I dont know how useful it is to talk about p3 or 4 rewrites at this point in time)

But idc its fun

[ruby phoenix]

no no other way around yukiko is the lesbian of the pair and chie is the bi one

[fresh mulch]

Yukiko smells like a lesbian. My gay nose can tell

The romance route? Comphet

[grand cipher]

I mean, her prince was chie so....

[fresh mulch]

Whats up with the agi girls having such lesbian vibes(yes ann is bi in the mod but doesnt mean i dont mostly headcanon her as 'gay as fuck')

[ruby phoenix]

yesss exactly you see my vision

[ruby phoenix]

bi lesbian pog

[fresh mulch]

Bi by technicality

[ruby phoenix]

like 95% lesbian but she liked one or two feminine twinks at some point

[fresh mulch]

i mean, did they look like girls? You could make a case here

Btw idk how many saw the ann coming out event, but even tho she calls herself bisexual there, she actually prefers the label pansexual

Its just that, maybe you shouldnt be throwing 'breadsexual' to ryuji right as he is still trying to get his bearings(pan is bread in japanese. Portuguese loanword)

Ann will be the one here most familiar with broader lgbt topics because of her background. Futaba is probably more acknowledgeble of gender stuff tho

(I like the mental image of a clueless makoto that is way out of her depth in this department, but she tries to learn more)

[ruby phoenix]

you're saying she ISN'T into bread? /j

[fresh mulch]

Morning yall

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/rise-kujikawa-marise-marie-persona-4-rise-persona-4-marie-p4-gif-10994436197079978481

lmao what is this ship

[ruby phoenix]

it's probably because of the golden anime's version of true story i'm guessing? idk

i mean tbf. basically any pair of girls ever should kiss

[fresh mulch]

so true

i didnt watch the anime so i wouldnt know

anyway they should get all kissy kissy

as is tradition

what if p4 dancing mod where the idols are all in a polycule haha jk unless...

[fresh mulch]

i dont remember too well, but didnt vanilla do the thing where ann ate a lot of sweets and didnt even work to getting into shape? like at least i remember this being one reason her rival disliked her

anyway i much prefer this

that trope really grinds my gear. it feels like the 'beautiful without makeup' thing all over again

also rise and ann should kiss

[fresh mulch]

funnily enough, i think this is the crossover ship with the most likelihood of happening lol

simply because they could reasonably meet each other outside of the q games

how they keep making futaba so accidentally gay

[fresh mulch]

oh wait is arena canon?

[mellow pecan]

I don't see any reason it wouldn't be.

[simple knoll]

arena is 100% canon

it has a lot of lore drops

I'm pretty sure all the spinoffs are canon

even q and q2 they just lost their memories

[fresh mulch]

does it matter if its 'canon' if no one remembers?

schrodingers canon

[weary rapids]

I know Q is at least

The timeline(s) is weird man especially

[fresh mulch]

anyway, with arena being canon, this means that yukari, rise, and ann could all realistically end up kissing each other at the same time
yukari and rise because arena, rise and ann because of their careers creating this possibility

lovers indeed

hm yeah i just decided i'll be turning every item into normal skills. adding new skills will be faster 'cause i can just bulldoze over the existing item skills instead of having to find unused stuff to overwrite

tho i guess the sp restoring effects should stay, because there's not going to be a skill for that

of course ann won

queen shit

lmao its working

(switching back and forth between pq and p5 messes so much with my muscle memory 😭 )

tho its not as bad as switching between p3/4 and p5. holy shit why did they use triangle for the skills 🫠

i guess i should make an item spreadsheet to keep track of the skills i'll be assigning them

>specifically types "0000" within a cell
>excel: "oh you meant to type only 0 right? there's only numbers here so clearly you don't want any leading zeroes here i'll fix it for you i know best :)"

i fucking hate this program

[fresh mulch]

this is the idea for the items

this also gives me reason to design more varied healing skills

[fresh mulch]

🤔

[fresh mulch]

if i were to say the healing skills the pts would get...

Dia Family: Dia, Diarama, Diarabarion, Diarahan
Neo Dia Family: Neo Dia, Neo Diarama, Neo Diarabarion, Neo Diarahan

Media Family: Media, Mediarama, Mediarabarion, Mediarahan
Neo Media Family: Neo Media, Neo Mediarama, Neo Mediarabarion, Neo Mediarahan

Patra Family: Patra, Patradi
Me Patra Family: Me Patra, Me Patradi

Baisudi Family: Baisudi, Mabaisudi
Energy Drop Family: Energy Drop, Energy Shower
Amrita Drop Family: Amrita Drop, Amrita Shower
Diamrita Family: Diamrita, Mediamrita

Recarm Family: Recarm, Recarma, Samarecarm
Ma Recarm Family: Ma Recarm, Ma Recarma, Ma Samarecarm

Makatora Family: Maka, Makatora, Makatonobarion, Makatonahan
Memakatora Family: Memaka, Memakatora, Memakatonobarion, Memakatonahan

• Ryuji:

  • Baisudi (Family)
  • Diamrita (Family)
  • Ma Recarm (Family), Recarmdra

• Morgana:

  • Dia/Media (Family)
  • Patra/Me Patra (Family)
  • Energy Drop (Family)
  • Amrita/Diamrita (Family)
  • Recarm (Family), Recarmdra

• Ann:

  • Dia/Neo Dia (Family)
  • Neo Media(Family)
  • Amrita Drop/Diamrita (Family)
  • Recarm/Ma Recarm (Family)
  • Makatora/Memakatora (Family)

• Yusuke:

  • Patra/Me Patra (Family)
  • Baisudi (Family)
  • Energy Drop (Family)
  • Recarm/Ma Recarm (Family)
  • Makatora/Memakatora (Family)

• Makoto:

  • Media/Neo Media (Family)
  • Me Patra (Family)
  • Mabaisudi
  • Energy Shower
  • Amrita Shower
  • Mediamrita
  • Ma Recarm (Family)
  • Memakatora (Family)

• Haru:

  • Neo Dia/Neo Media (Family)
  • Patradi, Me Patradi
  • Mabaisudi
  • Energy Drop (Family)
  • Amrita Drop (Family)
  • Recarm/Ma Recarm (Family)
  • Makatora/Me Makatora (Family)

• Akechi:

  • Neo Media (Family)
  • Recarmdra

• Sumire:

  • Diarahan, Mediarahan
  • Mediamrita
  • Samarecarm, Ma Samarecarm, Recarmdra
  • Makatonahan, Memakatonahan

holy texto

not to mention the unique skills they could have, like Makoto with the Maria skills and Ann with Golden Apple from Idun

i'll just be chipping away at this project until it gets done. there are so many things i have to do to have a proper foundation for this project

https://tenor.com/view/snow-leopard-camera-snow-leopard-pawing-at-you-snow-leopard-gif-6318485674189177505

have kitty

[strong moat]

why does everyone get some variant of healing anyways? that feels a little odd

are the barion skills just like, high amount of healing that isn't complete heal? I kinda like that actually

[fresh mulch]

yeah i think that there is a weird gap between diarama and diarahan

[fresh mulch]

i mean, everyone will have a very varied movest spread through confidant ranks and books. most of these are probably not going to be seen through level up aside from those you'd expect

also, my answer to your status

(havent touched nirvana yet)

[strong moat]

yay :)

so do you like fireworks?

[fresh mulch]

if this is a somnium reference i forgot most of what happened

last played 5 years ago

[strong moat]

go replay it

then hop on nirvana

[strong moat]

mmm I see. tbh I think I said this before I'm not a big fan of allowing party members to be so incredibly varied but that's my opinion lol

[simple knoll]

I think I'm close to done with somnium files. I bought nirvana and no sleep a few days ago bc of the sale

I've gotten all the red routes so now I'm just doing the blue. I got the Mizuki route and it was so peak

I got it because I played hundred line and was still craving that multiple routes juice and it's pretty good

[strong moat]

I think the multiple routes stuff is done far better in the aitsf and ze games tbh

[fresh mulch]

if i were to guess (because i dont have it set in stone), the levelup healing skills are (since this is vibes based, its not taking into account stuff like learnable skill limit, so take it as more of an example of the idea behind the level progression for healing, but for most of them, half of the skills here probably wont show up on levelup)

Ryuji: Baisudi > Mabaisudi (and Recarmdra is auto from Shido's Palace)

Morgana: Dia > Patra > Recarm > Media > Energy Drop > Diarama > Me Patra > Amrita > Ma Recarm > Mediarama > Diamrita > Diarabarion > Mediarabarion

Ann: Dia > Maka > Diarama > Neo Media > Makatora > Diarabarion > Neo Mediarama > Diarahan > Neo Mediarabarion > Makatonobarion > Neo Madiarahan
rn ann gets her Recarm from Takemi's rank 1 which basically makes her a recarm user from the start in a way

Yusuke: i dont know he'll be mostly ailments, swords, and bufu/zio/garu

Makoto: Mediarama > Me Patra > Energy Shower > Ma Recarm > Mabaisudi > Me Patradi > Memakatora > Neo Mediarama > Amrita Shower > Ma Samarecarm > Memakatonahan (now say that fast)

Akechi: Neo Media > Neo Mediarama (Recarmdra in third semester)

Sumire: Diarahan > Mediamrita > Ma Samarecarm > Mediarahan

[strong moat]

I'm also just not a huge fan of kodaka's work anyways

baisudi is the one that cures rage right

that feels very funny to see on ryuji

of all people

[fresh mulch]

actually, it is burn/freeze/shock

for p5

i buffed it to also cure a fixed 50% of max hp

it scales better but early game maybe too expensive for what it does

[simple knoll]

you didn't like hundred line? also I had no idea zero escape had multiple routes

[strong moat]

yeah I mean again I think many of these feel really random but that's how I've felt about a lot of the skill balancing here

[fresh mulch]

its all vibes

[strong moat]

it hasn't been tested so maybe it'll actually end up working really well

[simple knoll]

I love kodaka... I want to make a shrine of his media when I get my own place

[fresh mulch]

i tested baisudi at least, and imo it was a good addition

[simple knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/kodaka-hundred-line-hundred-line-defense-academy-takumi-sumino-eito-aotsuki-gif-16903964673819931187

my favorite pervert media creator

[fresh mulch]

just do a challenge run of level up skills only (i have no idea how harder that would be)

[strong moat]

thing is I haven't played it I've watched my friends play it and I've been told about a few more routes. but with these games I think they're some of the more watchable games

(I played aitsf once but I think I've experienced it like 6 or 7 more times by watching other people play it lmao)

[fresh mulch]

levelup only you lose taunting aura for ryuji and recarm for ann, so it's quite a bit rougher at kamoshida imo

[simple knoll]

hundred line is very watchable yeah. I mean it's like half visual novel

kodaka tried to make an actual game and still made it a visual novel

[strong moat]

and yes zero escape has multiple routes it's probably the best implementation for multiple routes to be honest (at least in this niche of games)

[fresh mulch]

isnt that the whole plot

[strong moat]

that doesn't really differ from base game then does it?

[fresh mulch]

well this is harder than base game to begin with

[simple knoll]

I remember my friend was watching me play aitsf and he was like "wait this is like an actual game and not just a visual novel?" lmao so uchikoshi has the same problem

[strong moat]

i mean I think there's actual meaningful gameplay in uchikoshi games too (at least zero escape and somnium, idk about his older works and pepsiman has gameplay soooo)

there's just a lot of dialogue too so it's like.... it feels a bit more like ace attorney in terms of the dialogue/gameplay balance

[fresh mulch]

zero escape has fun puzzles

[strong moat]

that's fair. again to be honest there was a point where I decided to start ignoring the balance changes bc they were so substantial lmao, it really is a massive overhaul

[fresh mulch]

[simple knoll]

I've got all 3 games

[fresh mulch]

(i havent touched zero time dilemma im so sorry)

[simple knoll]

or well 2 on steam

[strong moat]

the story stuff is a massive overhaul too but I've kept up more with that bc it isn't completely changing the entire story (at that point why are you modding persona 5 lol just make your own game)

[fresh mulch]

tbf assets are hard to have

[strong moat]

yeah exactly

[fresh mulch]

it'll def be not a 'whats different?' and more a learning the game again (at least the core hardcoded mechanics are the same)

[strong moat]

yeah I see that lol

[fresh mulch]

you say that but my masochistic ass is really considering a pq3 fangame... (like, at least making a pq looks a bit feasible if you are realistic of your scope... if you ignore all the other projects i have on my hands too.)
tho for a fangame i would probably stick to canon stuff

in my defense, this fangame is very close to the types of original games i wanna make anyway

could be an actual learning experience

(this mod first lmao. but i wouldnt be opposed to doing that on the side while i am doing the p3 or 4 mods tho)

[strong moat]

oh yeah? what are you thinking?

[fresh mulch]

its kinda funny how i remember playing 999 on a ds emulator when i was a preteen, and haven't played it again since i picked it back up in 2021, and i still remembered a very good chunk of the story

[strong moat]

q1 is my favorite persona spinoff actually lol so

[fresh mulch]

i'll tell yall that english is not my primary language

so its kinda surprising how the story stuck still

[strong moat]

really

I wouldn't have been able to tell

[fresh mulch]

sarcasm that is?

[strong moat]

curious bc I already felt Q2 suffered quite a lot compared to Q1 bc of character bloat and being generally less interesting writing wise

[strong moat]

no, not sarcasm, your English is quite good

[fresh mulch]

relaly?

[strong moat]

mhm

[fresh mulch]

uh i might be doing the stupid idea of p1 + p2 as well as the rest......

[strong moat]

good luck lmao

that's a lot of characters

[fresh mulch]

okay who will be the first on the flanders block

[strong moat]

maya

she won't stop talking about canned crab

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[simple knoll]

interesting I would never have guessed lol. I always thought you were English or something bc of our difference in time zones

[strong moat]

and let's positive thinking!!!!

[fresh mulch]

its summer here

[simple knoll]

luxky

[fresh mulch]

the heat is killing me im not lucky

[strong moat]

a lot of native English speakers aren't exactly the best with grammar or spelling anyways

so like. yeah

[simple knoll]

I'm covered in snow. I just took this picture of geese picking through it for grass

I'm tryna think of countries close to australia

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/goose-geese-goosey-honk-cobra-chicken-gif-24814860

[simple knoll]

phillipenes?

[simple knoll]

this is true lmao some people are just illiterate

[fresh mulch]

i wonder if someone using "you're" instead of "your" and vice versa generally means they are a native english speaker

because you dont have much incentive to learn the language you've grown in

[strong moat]

yuor'e

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[simple knoll]

some people never really learned what contractions are

[strong moat]

uhhh I wouldn't say that's reliable anyways

plenty of English speakers know the difference

there's just many who don't

[simple knoll]

and possessives

[fresh mulch]

i was just wondering the ratio of english speakers that dont know vs non-native speakers

[uncut depot]

i am forever disappointed but not surprised they did this with repaint your heart

[simple knoll]

I've seen many people that don't know whether to write plates or plate's and stuff like that

idk why I chose the word plate

[strong moat]

ig there was no other way to make the story work without spoiling P5R

which I mean. they have no problem spoiling P4 so what's up with that

[simple knoll]

sumire waking up wondering why she's sore and can't get out of bed:

actually she's a gymnast akechi would be more likely in that position

[fresh mulch]

"hey jonkle, remember that time we turned into chibis? funniest shit i've ever seen"

(there were 3 times)

[simple knoll]

I mean they remember base tactica but not repaint your heart

[fresh mulch]

||...my mind is in the gutter||

[simple knoll]

tactica took place between March and April before joker left

[strong moat]

yep. the games where they pulled the I forgor excuse are

• persona 3 dancing
• persona 5 dancing
• persona q (excluding p3mc)
• persona q2 (excluding joker)

[fresh mulch]

pq2 joker remembers?

[strong moat]

yes

so they pull the excuse for several games but not the vast majority

[fresh mulch]

i guess they kinda have to pull these spinoffs in the middle of the story by necessity ||because well... p3 mcs, shinjiro if he's there, and akechi||

[simple knoll]

and tactica repaint your heart dlc

[strong moat]

and that, yes

[simple knoll]

I can't believe p4 cast were the only ones to really learn how to dance

[fresh mulch]

imagine joker just retelling his side adventures into a time traveling cinema in the middle of sae's interrogation

[strong moat]

my goats...

[fresh mulch]

"you know risette? she was there too"

[strong moat]

but yeah I have some issues with Q2; I think it does a lot well but it does enough poorly that I'm like. ok this is noticeably below Q on my personal ranking

its large cast really is difficult to balance well

the P4 cast got the short end of the stick but honestly most of the p3 cast aren't treated well either

[uncut depot]

thats still northern hemisphere though p equatorial, no?

[uncut depot]

greengrocers apostrophe

[fresh mulch]

i dont remember much of the writing in q1 (specially because i haven't gone very far), but for q2 i at least liked the intent behind junessic land (even if it is hard to take that seriously at times). sure, it may explain the plot and moral lesson a bit too much like i was a toddler, but i liked where they were going with the concept
now for the third ||aigis|| movie, it so far looks like they are repeating the exact same concept again (minority being forced to conform to majority). and like, im kinda disappointed? we already went over that ||plus, we just ended the last movie with the little girl(is she supposed to be the same age as us? its hard to tell) learning a lesson from that story that she immediately forgets here(which could be interesting if tackled in that way instead of a simple narrative amnesia)||

i still have to see more of film 3 tho

but thats the first impression

[uncut depot]

honestly them not remembering dancing is kinda whatever since iirc p3d/p5d barely have plots anyway?

[strong moat]

hikari is around the same age as the other casts, yes

I think Q2 kinda tries to repeat Q1's plot beats but does it in a more sloppy way

[fresh mulch]

tbf p4's flanderization is a very loud one so they can be grating at times

[strong moat]

yes although P5D also has P3 lore of all things

[uncut depot]

wow

[strong moat]

yes that was not a typo

[fresh mulch]

is rei also same age? (actually why did they do two shy girls)

(rei pq1)

[strong moat]

I mean again they got the short end of the stick, they didn't really get anything meaningful in the story (to be honest I really do not think yosukesaurus is anything)

I didn't feel their flanderization was super crazy (idk what you mean by it being loud) but they are flanderized

[strong moat]

yes

rei is infinitely more interesting though ngl

[uncut depot]

shy isnt what id say of rei actually i mostly remember her eating a lot lol

[strong moat]

^ she's rather bold actually lol

[fresh mulch]

so far hikari seems more a vehicle to show the type of people being influenced by the bad ideas from the movies

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah i guess she's more deadpan than shy? (has been a hot minute since i played)

[uncut depot]

nope

[fresh mulch]

then idk what to call her

[uncut depot]

i like q2 gameplay more but i do think q1 is the better story

[strong moat]

I'm mixed on it honestly because q2 has some mechanics I like more and others I like less

I like Q2 having a proper knock down system and more traditional AOA

[fresh mulch]

tbf they dont seem that obnoxious in 2 so far? (aside from chie and teddie) i remember it being worse when they had more lines in pq1

[strong moat]

I think Q1 dungeons (excluding the 4th) clear Q2 dungeons

and that counts as gameplay sooo

[uncut depot]

yeah that ones fair actually

[fresh mulch]

i dont like all-in-one phys skills but aside from that i've liked the gameplay quite a bit

[strong moat]

to be honest I did notice the flanderization in Q1 but I also was not super super bothered by it

obnoxious is certainly not the word I would use to describe them

I think the Q levels of flanderization would be more egregious if Q took itself more seriously overall

but it doesn't really, it's a fun time with a surprisingly really really good story included

like for example, arena and ultimax both have similar levels of flanderization and they're fucking atrocious bc they take themselves so seriously

[fresh mulch]

(also, pq2 has a problem of not properly balancing nuke and psy, so you are overreliant on personas for those elements if you are not using makoto or haru. p4 cast got zilch, but hopefully p3 alliviates that a bit)

[uncut depot]

corrosion skills in q1 pissed me off though i did eventually make a habit of packing walls to deal with it

[strong moat]

I did not find this to be an issue at all in practice

maybe in the very early parts of the game but that's it

you have sub personas

[fresh mulch]

i didnt have much issue because i always had a nuke and psy skill specifically because of that

[uncut depot]

yeah i think eventually i slapped nuke link on kotone and she just shredded everything

[strong moat]

corrosion skills?

[uncut depot]

the one where they lower your resistance
so if youre neutral to the element you become weak to it

[strong moat]

I just found elemental coverage like that was not an issue, I guess if you wanted to mix things up let Teddie be nuke or something but P4 is pretty distinct otherwise

[fresh mulch]

now im thinking of an edgy pq and i hate it

[strong moat]

I honestly don't remember those at all lol

[strong moat]

you can just play persona 4 arena and ultimax

[uncut depot]

3rd labyrinth and i think maybe 4th?
for a bit i kept getting deleted by them

[fresh mulch]

bro why is his chest made out of playdough

[strong moat]

I think I know why I didn't have issues

I was deleting them turn 1 by that point lmao

[uncut depot]

lmao

[strong moat]

Naoto is washed in P4 and P4G but in PQ1 she's so strong

Q2 remembers its roots though bc they made Naoto washed again

[fresh mulch]

i mean, naoto has been quite useful for me because high luck

she pulinpas and binds all over the place

how am i supposed to keep them leveled up

[strong moat]

there are ways to boost their levels outside of combat

but yeah there's another issue lol

[fresh mulch]

at least quest exp seems to give everyone some exp at least

but its def not enough

honestly for a game with this many characters, i dont think that a level system works very well

there are quite a few jrpgs that dont use leveling but i couldnt name them

[fresh mulch]

nope

[fresh mulch]

hmmm i was wondering

for the minimum viable product i dont really need much of a campaign, just the mechanics are good enough. if the demo was a roguelite, then i could probably deliver that in a reasonable amount of time

then the actual game (if i ever do that) could have a campaign, but im unsure if i'd wanna dedicate more time to that project already

[uncut depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se17_0zbZds

well

theres actually an item that immediately bumps a character to the highest level of any of your characters
but its too rare lmao

[fresh mulch]

only one character?

[uncut depot]

yeah
its a consumable

[fresh mulch]

...how many characters we have again?

[uncut depot]

one person (kris) suggested in the q2 reshoot server just replacing it entirely with tactica-style wild level
issue: the 6 people who care about q2 dont know how to reverse engineer lmao

[fresh mulch]

you could probably edit the item to not be consumable and to work on everyone at least

[mellow pecan]

Not counting Navigators, 25.

[uncut depot]

i mean i guess thatd work actually but still feels kinda awkwardly roundabout

[fresh mulch]

there's only so much you can do with basic tools and that seems like the best way for that

OMG CHIBI SUMI IS SO ADORABLE UJIAKFWRSIOKGHJNOWIKRSNHG

ahem sorry i have cute aggression

[uncut depot]

but yeah lol theres a reason i did not experiment with party a whole lot in this game

[fresh mulch]

at least the levels dont seem to impact too too much? idk

[uncut depot]

it sends me that they made chibis of the personas too

even if im still grumpy about it being all first personas even though it doesnt make sense when mona is automatic and thus should at minimum have mercurius

[simple knoll]

can't spoil the main game in the spin off!

[fresh mulch]

we need more chibi personas tbh

[mellow pecan]

The Shadow Workers are lucky that their Personas evolve in the story, making them immune.

[fresh mulch]

chibi satan

[uncut depot]

literally the only one thats substantive as a spoiler is loki imo and thats already averted just by the dlc happening in sae arc skob

[fresh mulch]

p5 characters when they lose their entire side arc because the spinoffs needs them to be in their first personas

[simple knoll]

wdym the third awakenings are totally spoilers

[uncut depot]

this was already kinda eye-rolly for me with p4 gang and i guess p1 gang but at least that one i guess had the excuse of time passing whereas tactica literally happens in p5/p5r epilogue

[simple knoll]

both q2 and repaint your heart take place in the sae arc. joker forgot two wacky adventures In a matter of weeks

[uncut depot]

i cant tell if srs

[fresh mulch]

yknow i started typing something but then was like nah but then i thought i needed to type something anyway because otherwise that would be awkward with how long ive been typing

[uncut depot]

like i mean i guess theyre spoiler-adjacent in that theyre locked behind a major plot event but beyond that im kinda like. who cares lmao

[fresh mulch]

might be for the best, celestine is too hot for most to handle

[uncut depot]

like seeing them out of context isnt gonna tell you "oh, marukis an antagonist i have to beat the shit out of to get these" its just "ooh these are nice character designs"

[fresh mulch]

huh from what i've seen of tactica it reminds me a LOT of mario + rabbids. was there a similar game besides xcom that came before them?

[fresh mulch]

hmmm if i were to play a REAL chin megum taisei, which one would it be first 🤔 (i swear im working on the demo)

i heard plenty of praises for SJ

https://tenor.com/view/understimulated-autistic-autism-neurodivergent-tbh-creature-gif-26544306

https://tenor.com/view/makoharu-makoto-niijima-haru-okumura-kwoomochi-gif-8269497492992030046

should i add yuri to tactica?

that was a rhetorical question the answer is yes

this makes me wonder. how is p5t modding?

[rare oriole]

[fresh mulch]

rip

[uncut depot]

crack toshiros egg and then make eritoshi real

[fresh mulch]

holy shit... thats genius

sure, friends... /j

[strong moat]

yeah because honestly I think I'd rather see changes to PQ1 and well. same boat

[strong moat]

it's funnier bc lavenza shows up in the two most recent P5 spinoffs

[fresh mulch]

love how lavenza is a thousand times more spoilery than any of the persona evolutions

[grand cipher]

What does legend mean in this context?

[fresh mulch]

you know map legends?

this

[uncut depot]

yeah if i knew how i think id want to change q1 knockdown to work like q2 knockdown

...which is another reason i keep telling myself to make my first code mod lmao

[fresh mulch]

but pq1 doesnt have ann

talking about ann, ann and sumi should kiss for no real reason besides i like them both the most and i'd like to see that

shipping doesnt have to make sense 🔥

[fresh mulch]

YAOI?????

[strong moat]

unfortunately probably for the better because Q1 at least feels like it balances its casts of characters really well 😔

[fresh mulch]

man if i could have some stimuli that didnt distract me i would have an easier time actually doing the mod

like, music works but only for so long

i have an idea: smt3 femc mod but it's just top surgery butch demifiend /j

ngl he looks like a lesbian

[fresh mulch]

okay all i needed to do was to just sit down and now i have all the elec skills done

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

one thing is that i'll probably keep a simple 'heal fixed amount of hp' skill for the cheaper items instead of giving them the dia effect

but yeah i'll def have to use the space item skills are occupying if i want to add all that i wanna add

time for wind

time to bring back the legendary, totally iconic skill: wing flap

[grand cipher]

for saying that, your getting Gaea Rage'd.

though you'd prob call it Gae Rage.

[fresh mulch]

well that'd be a gae rage indeed

[fresh mulch]

(funny, is there a single party member that would be able to learn that in a way that makes sense?)

uh i guess?

why doesnt isis resist fire smh

bi icon

btw can we appreciate how sick and well made johanna's design is?

the ingame model does the art justice too

why are persona designs in general such a massive pain to draw tho

tactica's johanna looks really good as well

p5s and p5x have god awful poses tho unfortunately

[fresh mulch]

interesting how they removed the side thingies from the front wheel

oh wait i think that is one-sided right

[uncut depot]

i assume arsène does not count here

[fresh mulch]

... oh yeah

i guess could be cute to have as a random skill in its learnset ig

GYATT 🏍️

[fresh mulch]

yeah it is onesided for the front wheel

[mellow pecan]

It really is Makoto's Persona.

[fresh mulch]

futaba agrees

~~hmmm is futaba an assgirl or boobgirl 🤔 ~~

like, it has been a hot minute since ive seen that hotsprings scene, but futaba was very appreciative of, ahem, mammaries there right?

[grand cipher]

boob, 100%

[fresh mulch]

futaba learns she's a leg girl too after seeing sumi

[grand cipher]

did she?

[fresh mulch]

im talking of the mod

hmmm i keep talking of the polycule plans but i also have no idea how that will even start

[uncut depot]

ann and makoto go out for crepes and it escalates from there

[fresh mulch]

well i do plan on having the crepes be important, but like that only sets up the monogamous makoann ship

[uncut depot]

my input should probably be taken with a grain of salt because id probably make a bisexual polycule rather than a fully sapphic one if given the power

[fresh mulch]

i was wondering... what if both ann and makoto start taking a liking to futaba? tho i feel like they would both be scared of the possibility that pursuing her would be abusing their current position with her...

maybe haru is a safer start?

[fresh mulch]

~~too bad i have the keys 😈 ~~

[uncut depot]

i could shrimply make my own mod with blackjack and hookers if i cared enough, you know >:v

[fresh mulch]

okay but thatd be epic

[fresh mulch]

hm haru has one issue: i already have it planned in that she will be dateable in the story progression itself, and that is before she becomes a phantom thief, so it wouldn't work if we want to setup a polycule before the player has a chance...

[uncut depot]

polythieves mod simply called "THE POLYTHIEVES MOD"
allcaps optional but funnier if included

[fresh mulch]

okay it'll have to be futaba's lucky ass idea of having both makoto and ann end up taking a liking to her. now how will those feelings come out idk

anyone knows how the 'wait but what if we all dated each other?' goes?

also who would bring it up? futaba probably is the one most familiar with the idea of poly, but i dont think she would have the ba... uh i mean the guts to propose that, nor do i think makoto would have any knowledge of this topic, so if makoto was the one who asked she would've probably come up with the idea on the spot without knowing what poly is?

ann seems the most probable

i already have her be more knowledgeable of queer topics than in vanilla after all. and she proposing that i think would fit well?

(i can def use help with this stuff. i want it to at least be somewhat realistic in a way)

so i appreciate any thoughts

[lunar vector]

I feel like realism is difficult when the reality is that usually everyone involved is openly poly and looking for a 'cule ahead of time when getting into one. But since that doesn't really fit here...

...it would track for me if Futaba brought it up to MakoAnn like "wow, you two look great together! too bad you're not looking for a third... i mean... haha... jk jk... 🫣" Buuut whatever she says is enough to get Makoto curious. Like "a third what...?" before she dives into researching the whole thing and comes back with an entire-ass fully-optimized poly dating calendar proposal.

Like... high school lesbian polycule is just never gonna be THAT realistic, but that at least feels relatively in-character.

[fresh mulch]

hm... hm....

hmmmmmmmm.......

ig futaba would be the one looking for a poly ahead of time

[lunar vector]

That's my thought, yeah. But she'd be too timid to straightforwardly ask, lol.

[fresh mulch]

tbf neither are personas but we suspend disbelief because we want the persona part (and i want yuri)

[lunar vector]

Especially if Makoto looks into it and sees it as a solution to the her+Haru and Ann+Shiho issues that may be popping up... like, post-hoc poly is often not the best solution, but this is fantasy 😅

[lunar vector]

Well, yeah, but the appeal of the social sim part of the game is it being relatively emotionally grounded in a high school experience. But like I said, I think the above would be a relatively grounded/in-character solution.

(The non-grounded point of comparison being the scrapped Marukiverse Valentines Day event )

[fresh mulch]

(yeah... i think that it was a good idea to scrap having maruki solve major cheating with 'brainwash everyone to a harem')

[lunar vector]

Although, y'know, this is the maid-teacher-dating installment of Persona, so maybe the groundedness isn't a universal point of appeal 🥲

[lunar vector]

I suspect this cut happened at the same time they edited Maruki to be MUCH more sympathetic, lollll.

[fresh mulch]

~~considering the playerbase that wouldve made maruki more sympathetic ~~

[fresh mulch]

true...

unfortunately i really want to have the confidant be about ann's and shiho's journey so them finally getting together has to be tied to that

makoharu should happen regardless tho

[fresh mulch]

dont forget your doctor and a drunk woman too

[lunar vector]

Possibly the Lovers max ranks are date-locked until after the gang has figured out the polycule thing independently 🤔

[fresh mulch]

yeah that'll be pretty standard here

[lunar vector]

If the latter is a fixed date thing.

[fresh mulch]

i have to include more events of futaba bonding with the two tho to not have it feel too sudden

and i guess makoharu events too. i also want harutaba to be a thing so those too—

p5 but with 50% more text

well we can at least start with a girls' night thing ig

could be a significant moment for futaba's coming out of her shell (and learning that she is accepted as another girl like them)

uh what else do girls do together

i never had many female friends 🫠

and when i do im mostly interested in playing games with them

(why most of my school friends were guys what did i miss )

[uncut depot]

i never had many friends in general so dont ask me

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-same-cat-same-smuko-gif-2272701177654208646

i guess hotsprings is the biggest step here?

like that'd mean a lot to futaba i think

[fresh mulch]

i've seen plenty of really happy reactions when kiku (a trans female character) appeared in a bath scene together with all the other girls (one piece) and was accepted without questions

so looks like that can mean a lot

(i guess i end up talking a lot about trans futaba because that is an area im a bit unprepared for)

like i can just write rei's struggles quite easily 🫠

(hopefully with the demo out maybe there'll be more people i could talk about this?)

[simple knoll]

/s

[uncut depot]

im resisting a kpop demon hunters joke entirely because i finally watched it last weekend

[fresh mulch]

uh what is the joke cause i have no idea

[simple knoll]

yeah people accept kiku becase she passes and don't accept yamato because he doesn't

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160

[simple knoll]

although the first time we see him he has a mask and is covering the side boob™ but he takes it off

[uncut depot]

the joke is my brain immediately parsed it as trans allegory

[simple knoll]

also zoro had a thing for kiku and you can't convince me otherwise

[simple knoll]

why did i not think of that until just now

[fresh mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYa4t5Up3qQ

(i get him )

[simple knoll]

right

yamato looked like this

immedietly took it off

[fresh mulch]

holy binders

[simple knoll]

i'm kind of made bc that looks is kind of sick

not to say i don't enjoy the side boob lmao

[fresh mulch]

(i have no idea how i should react)

[simple knoll]

also i'm still mad yamato didn't join the straw hats

[simple knoll]

it's a fictional character man you can say he's hot

[fresh mulch]

i mean... but isnt... my tinni tiny cis brain hurts

https://tenor.com/view/this-tired-cats-funny-pet-gif-15135390

[fresh mulch]

anyway i hope i eventually get more input for this

but for now seems like a good idea

[fresh mulch]

(legit im a bit anxious with this 😭 )

should i do the girls' night and onsen/bath/hotsprings events for futaba?

(react if yes)

[uncut depot]

dewit

[fresh mulch]

okiedokie

now ill proceed to sleep

[simple knoll]

if you're on the opposite side of the world is it 10 am for you

[fresh mulch]

No lmao its past midnight

If you are american im definitively nowhere near the opposite side

||...how would sojiro react if futaba came back from hanging out with her 'friends' (makoto and ann), but she had a barely hidden hickey...||

||(i'll def not have anything actually explicit lol. I mean, you can get hickeys from just kissing )||

||... My ao3 will be where i let loose 😈 ||

(Deadass i have no idea if he would be mortified, proud, or both)

Add a mini heart attack

(Actually, i wonder if at the beginning he would think she was lying and went to see a guy or smth. Some dads can jump to quite the extremes when it comes to their daughters i noticed)

[simple knoll]

american on the east coast

[fresh mulch]

Morning im GAY

Omg im gonna die
https://youtu.be/hWOg3VM7C0U

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/makoharu-okujima-haru-makoto-niijima-persona-yuri-gif-5991050836076407219

Happy makoharu wednesday

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-bath-gif-25207681

[fresh mulch]

mitsuru has bind arts

okay they know what they are doing

girlfriends and their doggy <3

[fresh mulch]

damn it tied

[fresh mulch]

rimming skill poggers

[mellow pecan]

Suppose that makes then both switches?

[fresh mulch]

ig they'll just have to take turns

wind skills so far

im spreading the force skills amongst wind, psy, and almighty

[fresh mulch]

btw i switched vacuum wave to psy, and in its place for wind, i put Vayaviya from dds

hopefully shouldnt be too confusing since the game clearly indicates the elemental type

interesting how wind only exists in p1, p2, p5, and... strange journey???

huh, p1 is from 1996 while sj is 2009

so for some reason strange journey just decided to use garu too ig

the poll will probably be a bit onesided for a persona server

oh silly me i forgot to add amagidyne

[fresh mulch]

the second part

now i just have to put them in the game

btw all the death effects use curse affinity

so an enemy that nulls curse will null death

unfortunately i cant have bless instakill as an effect. the default for non bless skills is always curse instakill

https://tenor.com/view/cats-watermelon-cute-kitten-s0ul-caught-munching-bbc-gif-18340686

[fresh mulch]

"your" goddammit

[fresh mulch]

hm... maybe i should just take models from p3r instead of q2

lmao thanks windows

[fresh mulch]

uh ever heard of exp???

also the blank cards and high level personas they drop

but fr its so funny when the characters in rpgs are like 'we must avoid unecessary fights and conserve our strength!' when like, you get stronger by doing these fights 99% of the time

how did i never think of this ship before???

[strong moat]

she's a fraud

😔

[fresh mulch]

????????????????????????????

loving someone is treating them like an object to be sold ig

why even try to make okumura sympathetic 🫠

[fresh mulch]

like, if this was actually trying to write haru's conflicted feelings i'd get it. but this is clearly presenting the matter objectively

i just really hate when writers want the abusers they write to be 'deep' and they do that by trying to give them 'good intentions deep down' 😭

[mellow pecan]

Because Persona writers are cowards.

[fresh mulch]

"oh no the awful ceo that ruined lifes, tried to sell his daughter into sex slavery, and sat on a throne of riches died "

https://tenor.com/view/mario-kart-luigi-stare-mad-angry-gif-4268577

you know, sounds a lot like kaneshiro

the thing is that this framing can work if it's clearly from the conflicted feelings from the daughter of an abuser (specially one that 'used to be a good person' like okumura). but not having that idea challenged at all by the narrative is just gross

that'd require writing victims of abuse well tho

-# something p5 already doesnt do that well

/rantover

doesnt madarame have a similar thing here? the game explores yusuke's conflicted feelings for his father figure and says that deep down a part of madarame loved yusuke

imagine if the game didnt push back on shadow kamoshida's "love"

[fresh mulch]

changing topics, i wonder if a mentality of avoiding unnecessary fights contributes to many people thinking jrpgs are grindy because they are underleveled or smth

like i played quite a few jrpgs by now and so far i havent really needed to grind often?

but then again, im the type of person that fights every possible trainer in pokemon so

[uncut depot]

i think maybe they felt weird doing it "correctly" in a lighthearted fluff game, like they were somehow convinced "yeah sometimes your caretakers are just pieces of shit" was too dark
which is stupid but would explain it

[rare oriole]

if they're necessary for the game to be fun, then the game shouldn't let them be unnecessary

[fresh mulch]

yeah i was thinking that this is pq2's more childfriendly way of tackling this which is a terrible idea for topics that indeed need to be taken seriously

[fresh mulch]

🤔 i honestly dont know which approach is best

[uncut depot]

idk that child-friendly is the word id use since i dont think actual children are meant to play it lol but eh

plus like actual childrens media doesnt pull its punch on this point but all the examples i can think of are western cartoons so i wonder if this is a cultural confucianism moment

[cloud dew]

As a victim of abuse myself
I do think that acknowledging that abusers and how victims feel about their abusers can be complicated is important, but it needs a tact to it that persona 5 doesn't do very well

[fresh mulch]

well it doesnt have to be aimed at children. even tho i think its still a bit weird how different in tone it is from the games it is a spinoff of

i think dancing does the lighthearted writing a bit better?

[fresh mulch]

honestly i think that childrens' media shouldnt really pull punches for most cases imo. you just need to frame it well

like, have you seen children? they watch lore videos of games whose whole lore is child murder

they are more resilient than people give them credit for

[uncut depot]

i was already 14 when the child murder game came out but also i watched the higurashi anime in middle school
lmao

[fresh mulch]

i watched the murder game diary anime 🙃

i think that might have traumatized me a bit

[uncut depot]

darn

[rare oriole]

at that age i was given a healthy fear of running down a staircase while holding an umbrella

[uncut depot]

oops

i was that kid who thought they were so grown up for consuming age inappropriate media in secret
lmao

the funny thing is it didnt even shock me, i was fine

[fresh mulch]

i honestly think this is a symptom of persona 5 trying to go to the next big thing too quickly and not dwelling much on the actual fallout from the actions of the people we are taking down. like it does that a bit, obviously. we have yusuke still confused about how he feels, including haru, shiho in the hospital, and uh... uh... (i cant remember much more lol )

[uncut depot]

(unironically i think anyone with too much time and a strong stomach should read wtc lol)

[fresh mulch]

one thing i have already brought up here is how mishima was just kind of cast aside as soon as kamoshida's arc was over, and we barely touched on the whole 'was beaten continuously by a teacher' thing. like we actually dont touch that i think

[rare oriole]

(what is that)

[uncut depot]

when they cry

[fresh mulch]

well in diary's case (heavy cw, seriously) ||the kind of a bit maybe just a tad unnecessary rape part? anime moment||

the gore didnt really fuck me up much

(even tho it was, like the rest of it, pure edgy shock bs)

[fresh mulch]

like, even in his confidant i dont remember him talking much of kamoshida and the physical abuse he suffered by him much, if at all

the funny thing is that we have like 7 whole months of game we can use to more granularly tackle these topics

but the game rarely uses that to its advantage. at least it had the niijima household scenes to build makoto's character

[uncut depot]

maybe they were afraid to turn the 200 hr game into a 250 hr game

[fresh mulch]

the horror

millions must not read

but regardless there's no reason why we didnt tackle mishima's and shiho's abuse more, because we have the slinks for it, it just wasnt used for that

ann's confidant is just a mess honestly.

[uncut depot]

the "we have no idea what were doing" confidant

[fresh mulch]

uh we have to strengthen our heart ig (seriously, we not even touching on ann's own trauma from that whole ordeal?)

a rather infamous example of the game advancing to the next topic too quickly to properly tackle trauma is the nude painting thing. like, even the average joe thinks that was a bit weird given what just happened the literal past month

i wonder if the writing has a bad case of being too episodic at times because of the tumultuous decade-long development

[uncut depot]

i mean all newsona games are episodic, and 5 in particular draws inspo from already episodic material, i dont think the episodic structure is the issue so much as just no one was on the same page because the page kept changing

some of the team were working on other games early in dev and were moved to p5 later after those games were finished

[fresh mulch]

the structures are all episodic, but p3 and 4 at least feel like they have a better gradual continuity of their characters through the episodicness

[uncut depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8

[fresh mulch]

yeah this is specially what i mean by tumultuous

[fresh mulch]

this just keeps going 😭

[fresh mulch]

i wonder how i could improve on kaneshiro. i dont mean his character, im more so talking about the arc itself, which is honestly a common point of complaint for many

first of all: i'll be almost completely changing the start of it

[rare oriole]

oh wait, i was thinking of yusuke's arc start lol

what's wrong with kaneshiro's

[fresh mulch]

the way we got to kaneshiro so he could threaten us and begin the palace plot is so ridiculously contrived and makes makoto hold a major idiot ball for it. its not even 'girl is booksmart but streetsdumb', she just lacked any common sense a girl her age should've had imo

that just harmed her character i think

[rare oriole]

makoto really is the worst

[fresh mulch]

i think we could've actually tackled the impact of the yakuza on the students more at least

now the best way to go about it... well i have two palaces to think this through

but the whole makoto part will be reworked for the sake of her character

[strong moat]

haru is probably the biggest offender here just bc she has like no time to do anything but it is a bit weird that they don't really like dwelling on past things like that.

P3 also does it too; see October 4th and how quickly they move on from that incident for example.

[strong moat]

agreed. don't think it's bad that they're episodic either but that doesn't mean write it like villain of the month (which P5 does a lot of)

P1-2 don't feel as episodic but P3-5 do give a lot of downtime which contributes to that feeling. not a flaw just different

[fresh mulch]

i guess i'll be paying extra attention to the writing when reaching this point. i dont remember much of the fallout

[strong moat]

I mean there isn't much to remember

they barely cover it

Haru is just shown to be silently strong but it's never really acknowledged or called out much

she's fine after a bit so let's move on

[fresh mulch]

(talking of p3)

[strong moat]

oh

I mean I can drop my thoughts but I can also let you revisit the scene and form your own current opinion on it

[fresh mulch]

yeah im close enough to it

[strong moat]

feel free to ask if you're still curious

[fresh mulch]

did we even get any haru 'cutscenes' with the player not present?

i remember plenty from makoto, but not much for haru. she could really benefit from those

now im reminded of how disappointed i am that the scenes of ann and mishima visiting shiho at the hospital were cut

those would've helped their characters so much

like, imagine if instead of we seeing ann and makoto bonding before going for crepes, we only got ann's text message showing that they made up

[lunar vector]

Isn't that what happened in base P5 😅

[fresh mulch]

yes it did

wait what happened?

[lunar vector]

No crepes scene.

[fresh mulch]

im pretty sure that the scene was in base p5

we never got them actually eating crepes unfortunately, but im sure we saw them talking it out

[lunar vector]

I'm not so sure we got the scene at all, or at least not as much of a scene, but I could be wrong.

[uncut depot]

i thought it wasnt an event but more just a thing you can stumble upon if you opt to go to central street on a certain day

[lunar vector]

The scene ahead of it, is what I mean.

[fresh mulch]

im talking of the scene in the room they made up before that

[uncut depot]

i could swear that was in og

[lunar vector]

Yeah, I don't think that scene is in the base game. But again, I could be wrong.

[fresh mulch]

but yeah they cut the 3 hour-long scene of ann and makoto in that guidance room thingy after they made up. what do you think they meant by girl secrets?

btw ann tops

[uncut depot]

i thought we already agreed on that

[fresh mulch]

we agreed that makoto bottoms to ann and haru right?

she tops futaba and sumi

[lunar vector]

The Baby Gay vibes of this thread are sometimes too much for me 😂

[fresh mulch]

(hey im mostly joking with the bottom/top thing)

[lunar vector]

I say, lovingly. But lmao.

[uncut depot]

if im being real i do actually kinda think the top/bottom fixation is a bit much, not to a degree thats outright but just a bit

[fresh mulch]

but then what joke i'll run to the ground

[lunar vector]

I tried to look this up on Amicitia but almost no base P5 events are documented there sadge......

[uncut depot]

im vaguely tempted to overhaul the p5r events page since its still kinda written like multiplat doesnt exist yet, but...time...

[lunar vector]

Documentation always gets lowest priority

[fresh mulch]

but there are so many cat videos to watch rn how would anyone find time for this

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hug-gif-6971468434967785640

[fresh mulch]

>me when searching thing: man why so little documentation
>also me when doing thing: i should probably document this... but that'd be a pain...

hmm i wonder how the p5 font is with unicode

it def can handle some at least. we have a heart and a star used

[uncut depot]

i usually try to at least take the two seconds to list a flag or count that ive figured out the purpose of

[fresh mulch]

yeah i should remember to do that more often

i honestly rant a lot about p5, but that is only because i actually love it, and i tend to be way more critical of stuff i really enjoy

if anyone feels like it, feel free to rant about p5 here. i mean, it might also help the mod after all

[uncut depot]

i only rly tend to crit it ad hoc when the convo is already about that because i dont like marinating in everything wrong with things i like lol

[fresh mulch]

honestly i feel like i marinate more about stuff i dont like when i dont vent about it

it just eats me up

[uncut depot]

i think my relation to haru screentime jokes kinda encapsulates my relationship to p5 critique lol, i think the underlying criticism is just obviously true in a way that is not hard to explain but the jokes themselves are exhausting in how beaten to death they are

[fresh mulch]

uh... why p5 supports these emojis?

well it works

|| ||

[uncut depot]

i also think im probably just a bit more forgiving than the average shitter hot take guy lol, so theres a degree of harshness where i get uncomfortable

[fresh mulch]

im surprisingly forgiving actually. most of my harshness is from stuff i look back at

but as i play i dont have nearly as many issues as it seems i have

hmmm p5's font support for unicode is very limited...

i was thinking of using unicode to concisely show inheritance information and ailment affinities in the persona background window

[strong moat]

mhm I do not want to go and police too much bc no one here is really causing problems but I probably should've asked for it to be toned down a littleeeeee bit

[fresh mulch]

i wonder if the game uses this cat emoji anywhere

[strong moat]

well I've done as such when asked haha. I hope it has helped a bit - I'm not quite in the same boat, like I do like P5 a lot but it's definitely not top 3 persona games for me so it's mainly like hey I'm passionate about this series but this game misses the mark for these reasons

but it's still good overall. there are Persona games that actually frustrate me meanwhile.

[fresh mulch]

episode aigis?

[strong moat]

how did you know

[fresh mulch]

tho honestly rant of other persona games also helps, specially because i already planned on doing more than tyt anyway

[fresh mulch]

dont worry once i have my server this will be the family friendly chat

[strong moat]

episode aigis sucks bc of the unnecessary changes it makes that fail to address the original flaws with the answer and completely take away from its messages and writing

I find it unlikely that this mod would make the same mistakes

[uncut depot]

Gamers™ when teenage girl

[strong moat]

that's not even the issue anymore

[grand cipher]

wheres the "Didn't play it" option

[strong moat]

the issue is how fucking spineless ATLUS staff were when it came to rewriting episode aigis the way they did

none of those changes were made in an attempt to genuinely improve the story. it was entirely due to 2010s fan backlash

[uncut depot]

thats what i mean skob

[fresh mulch]

what are some examples of that?

[sullen drift]

Although I hate the transphobia it caused, I love how loud and proud Yamato is with his masculine identity. It reminds me of something someone said about Hordak in Shera. “If even the villain respects someone’s pronouns who’s really the bad guy here?” or something like that.

Also he is voiced by one of my art subjects Saori Hayami who also voices Hulkenberg and Yor Forger. She may not be male or nb but she’s definitely no stranger to voicing butch and badass characters.

(I also know the new english va for Yamato is an NB!)

[fresh mulch]

top/bottom discourse is mostly vibes-based anyway so just pick your favorite

[mellow pecan]

Yukari ||not trying to steal the True Key||.

[strong moat]

see I think the worst part is that a lot of that sentiment died down in the last several years

so like. 💀

[uncut depot]

the top is "whichever seems hot in the moment"

[fresh mulch]

true...

[strong moat]

I'll get back to you

[fresh mulch]

you gonna buy milk?

[fresh mulch]

man i really forgot of most about what happened

[strong moat]

I'm picking up my medicine and also I have ranting to do

[sullen drift]

word

[simple knoll]

omg I didn't know yamato's english va was non binary that's so peak

[fresh mulch]

talking of medicine, soonish i'll get my adhd testing done

lets see what'll happen

[strong moat]

god. persona 3 reload episode aigis was my last experience playing through a persona game. I really need to replay a persona game just to get the bad taste out of my mouth

does metaphor count as a persona game for these purposes

[fresh mulch]

tbf i dont think we should be taking a fascist (kaido) as a moral example i honestly get the idea of 'even villains dont side with these guys', but i dont like using that as a gotcha, personally

[uncut depot]

probably :V

[mellow pecan]

Gameplay wise? Yeah.

[fresh mulch]

i mean this stuff is funny still

[strong moat]

going from peak (P5T) to dogshit (EPA) 😔

[fresh mulch]

tf is an epa

[uncut depot]

oh yeah i told myself i wanted to play p5t again but on max difficulty lol

...maybe after metaphor whenever that happens

[fresh mulch]

oh episode aigis

[strong moat]

anyways while I wait to grab my medicine.... I think being as objective as I can possibly be with episode aigis reload I think it's a 5/10

maybe 6/10

[fresh mulch]

is the gameplay fun at least?

[uncut depot]

its p3r

[strong moat]

subjectively it is among the worst persona experiences I've ever gone through. I'd rather just go back to playing p5d to be honest

[strong moat]

it's P3R.

[fresh mulch]

is p3r fun

[strong moat]

I will give it one thing. it's better than the base game

it's more broken but bringing back some FES things was nice

[uncut depot]

there are 3 p3r rebalances in two years

[strong moat]

there are 4-5

[uncut depot]

oh yeah i fogor

[strong moat]

Master quest (abandoned)
memento Mori
arke
I think I saw one more but idr
refes

[fresh mulch]

well its not like p5 doesnt suffer from balancing issues, but it is still fun (up until a certain point... really, how some people can have more than 3 whole ng+ playthroughts 😭)

[strong moat]

p3r suffers from what you're probably talking about more than P5R while being less mechanically interesting in concept

(also in practice)

[fresh mulch]

oh no

[uncut depot]

at least p5r was mean enough to make me suffer through okumura (i am a masochist) B)

[strong moat]

okumura ain't even that hard 😭😭

[uncut depot]

still harder than anything in p3r B)

[strong moat]

the first month of P3R is actually pretty good on merciless

[uncut depot]

(also i was possibly sleep deprived. lmao)

[fresh mulch]

are there any tartarus bosses that are hard in p3r at least?

[strong moat]

lol

yes actually

the majority of Tartarus bosses in block 5-6

[uncut depot]

i will not lie actually priestess on hard did take me a few attempts

[strong moat]

but it's not in the traditional sort of sense

it's more like, they're hard because you have to fight yourself to not fall asleep out of boredom

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[strong moat]

I'll tell you right now that I killed the majority of Tartarus bosses in those blocks in less than 5 actions

so that's like what, 2-3 attacks?

[fresh mulch]

well, i'll be looking forward to see this for myself...

[uncut depot]

getting a free skill card every day is funny

[fresh mulch]

you what???

[strong moat]

it doesn't even take that much effort!! you just throw together a strong slash persona with all the boosters!

Siegfried basically builds itself for you!!

[fresh mulch]

no slash nulls?

[strong moat]

(it's not actually the best persona strictly speaking, it's just so convenient)

[strong moat]

well then go switch to strike or pierce

[fresh mulch]

no all phys nulls?

[strong moat]

or use theurgy (it pierces)

[fresh mulch]

pogchamp

[uncut depot]

at least royal made me rank yusuke for the privilege
lmao

[fresh mulch]

everyone talks of yusuke's card thing and i barely used it in most playthroughs i did

this skill card stuff reminded me, why is the shrine to duplicate cards so jank in p3p?

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i think it also costs a blank card which i dont think the shrine in p3r does

[fresh mulch]

like, you have to mash until you get what you want. its so weirdly implemented

[strong moat]

I didn't really use skill card duping a ton in P3R tbh

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i think i was duping something every day for a while and then stopped because i got bored and didnt need anything in particular lol

[fresh mulch]

ngl this looks so modded, as in 'we cant program a new ui for this so we'll get something done with the text message system'

p4's fortune shrine where you have to choose someone also gives me this feeling. points to p5, it actually implemented new menus for these things

[fresh mulch]

i've been duping in p3p any time i could but im at a point that its just 'whatever'. i dont even use the cards

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honestly that kinda becomes me too after a while, i just have the cards to have them lol

[fresh mulch]

>'but what if i need it?'
>doesnt need it

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i did get real use of them to an extent in that i kinda felt like keeping arsène and orpheus around for the sake of it and was chucking cards onto them so they were usable
but other than that lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgU4Oum8SLg

[fresh mulch]

reminds me how i used so many of the new demon-building items in smt5 because i brought my early game team of artemis/idun/alice all the way to the end of the game

best girls fr

[strong moat]

anyways they're making me wait a really long time for my medicine so: I don't even know where to start with P3R episode aigis but personally I find it to be a major downgrade in terms of writing. it honestly bastardizes the bits of story that are there while attempting to add more writing by adding these really out of place scenes. the gameplay ends up being as disappointing as ever (it is a bit better than base game but not by much) and it completely fucking fails to actually address any of the real issues with the answer. it's just a shitty attempt to cash out on the exclusive content without much care for the source material and they didn't even include that shit with the most expensive premium editions of P3R, they basically lied to justify it

there are no meaningful improvements from FES to reload in the story, while there are so so many downgrades.

[fresh mulch]

i feel like i've been getting better with this lately but it's still a hard habit to break (thats why smt5 was so much harder than it needed to be for me for a while. the game wants you to use dampeners)

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oh yeah no epa in 'premium' editions is so stupid 🫠

[strong moat]

individual character writing and also character dynamics are fucked in order to attempt to make it more appealing to a group of fans that are increasingly becoming a minority. honestly I think they fundamentally misunderstood their own story which is insane bc iirc some of the staff there worked on the original releases of P3.

it's a crazy thing to say because of that but I feel like they didn't really get the significance of their original writing and just decided, hey, let's try to vaguely copy the plot points but add our modern(TM) writing to make it more appealing!

something I think is underrated about P3 is how it is actually somewhat character driven. not as much as P4, but the way persona fans talk about it you'd think it just had the best story or whatever that means

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i paid an extra $30 to not even get the one extra that isnt just horse armor

[fresh mulch]

>modern take on answer
>no new scene of yukari and mitsuru french kissing

literally unplayable

[fresh mulch]

replaying p3p i definitively noticed how much they actually expand on the characters even after they have been on the team for a while.

[strong moat]

one of the elements of P3R that especially seeps into the episode aigis writing is the increased focus on how it's the protagonist that brings everyone together. nothing shows this better than yukari's breakdown scene; the original scene affirms mitsuru's sincere care for her best friend and the way she wanted to be there for her the way Yukari was there for her when she needed it.

the reload scene just makes it about making up their promises to the protagonist instead.

[fresh mulch]

probably helped by slinks not being mandatory for their characterization

they made it het

have there been attempts to bring the answer's writing back to epa?

[strong moat]

no

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https://tenor.com/view/sad-disintegrates-gif-26131145

[strong moat]

I have personally thought about it but to be completely honest with you I hate episode aigis reload so much that I don't want to put in that effort

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i assume someone dedicated enough could do event editing, the knowledge already exists on account of femc reloaded, it just seems like no ones taken it up so far

[fresh mulch]

well dont count on me 'cause i'll just make it gay

[uncut depot]

i would count on you for exactly that reason /lh

[strong moat]

yes it is possible but again the story just left such a sour taste in my mouth

event editing is time consuming and difficult. why would I waste it on dogshit instead of potentially helping the FEMC reloaded team with an actually meaningful and interesting project

I need to be clear btw but there are very few persona things I feel this negatively about

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so what youre saying is we should ask someone powered by spite to do it :V

[strong moat]

yeah I'm powered by spite but not in that way lol

an example of me being powered by spite is P4A animated cutins for P4G

[fresh mulch]

im powered by spite of there not being enough yuri

[strong moat]

where the original creator of the mod threw a tantrum and pissed me off enough that I went through the effort of recreating the entire fucking mod while making it better than anything they did

(the original mod was also a collaboration in which I did the majority of the work)

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w o w

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to be a bit more clear on why I did the majority of work yet had to recreate the mod - it was like 60-70% of the work.

I did 90% of the texture work (the other 10% was handled by a third person) and also did repeated testing to refine the code, which is what the original author worked on

you'd think that the author would be the one testing and then refining the code accordingly, but nope, that was me

of course, when they threw their temper tantrum and trashed the mod it also trashed several several hours of my own work

at the time they said they had no intention of returning to persona modding (me when I lie) and deleted their account so I was like. ok. the mod has a lot of my own work in it. I will upload following GB guidance to the best of my ability

so I did that, and then the guy was like ok fuck you I will join the GB discord specifically to request a takedown of that mod

and so at that point it was like, okay, fuck you. I'm gonna go figure out to remake the effects myself so that there is absolutely none of your own work and effort left in the morning because that's the hill you decided to die on

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https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-biting-tail-explosion-cute-funny-gif-441070498682892579