[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

[ruby phoenix]

innocent sin has the party start in a formation more like persona 5 normally

i swear innocent sin psp was like that at the start of battle

though they moved to like that after fusion spells so?

[fresh mulch]

yes it starts in formation

[ruby phoenix]

okay one of is clearly misremembering something and i don't know which and i don't care enough to check such a minor detail rn

[fresh mulch]

idont remember much the specifics but there are both formations

[ruby phoenix]

ohhh weird

[uncut depot]

that guy jumpscare

[fresh mulch]

he's just uhhh hamlet, yeah

[ruby phoenix]

why is he there 😭 (i know the lore explanation i'm talking about the developer's motives)

[fresh mulch]

it has been a hot minute but wasnt p2's thing about people believing enough in rumors they become true?

[uncut depot]

yes

[fresh mulch]

hottweiler being there seems quite self-explanatory then

[uncut depot]

it also came out in the late 90s and is thus very fixated with like turn of the millenium end of the world woo

[ruby phoenix]

is him faking his own death a common conspiracy??? i haven't heard it outside the context of persona 2

[uncut depot]

yes

[ruby phoenix]

oh

[uncut depot]

to my understanding the conspiracy theory is basically he survived and escaped to argentina

(idk if automod is gonna shank me if i actually call him by name lol)

[fresh mulch]

(i have yet to finish the game to know where the plot goes, but neonazis are a thing... idk if the game goes there and im probably missing some japanese cultural meaning too, but for now at least i am interpreting as people also wanting to believe he's alive. might just be a headcanon tho)

hmm is this descriptive enough?

[ruby phoenix]

add more yuris

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-viktor-yuri-on-ice-gif-21149703

[ruby phoenix]

add two new characters who are both girl named yuri and make them kiss. yuri/yuri yuri

[rare oriole]

you're gonna love yaoi on ice where it's two girls bonding over their love of hockey or something

[uncut depot]

god please make that real

[fresh mulch]

hockey????

[ruby phoenix]

wouldn't it be yaoi on fire

[fresh mulch]

... ||couldn't you theoretically have a het ship named yuri? with a girl called yuri and a boy called yuri... oh no||

i cant think of anything better

technically a lethal dose is still a dose right

[weary rapids]

Yes

[mellow pecan]

https://youtu.be/R3_uLOVUK2E?t=2824 (time stamped)

[fresh mulch]

michael jackson 😩

Any good mod descriptions i can steal the structure of?

[fresh mulch]

great i cant find my pen

(drawing tablet pen)

[ruby phoenix]

what are you drawing

i assume yuri but which kind of yuri

[fresh mulch]

uh technically?

i was going to do a more definitive thumbnail of the mod

[ruby phoenix]

is the thumbnail just shihoann

[terse shadow]

no its obviously

[ruby phoenix]

so yea. shihoann

[fresh mulch]

who tops tho

i think it depends on the day

[fresh mulch]

im just drawing with the mouse ig

[mellow pecan]

I doubt Shiho would be sexually active considering what happened.

[strong moat]

it's rather easy. there's a lot of event mods that could be made is mainly people are not interested in or too lazy to make them

[fresh mulch]

thats... not how that works

in fact, this perception people have of victims of sa is exactly one of the bigger topics i'll be handling in the lovers rework

[fresh mulch]

pft bruh it has been an actual whole year (late 2024) since i last drew anything

and im doing it with a mouse this time

yeah that wont work

[fresh mulch]

honestly im quite interested

[fresh mulch]

||junpei you cant just ask a girl why she is bleeding—||

[mellow pecan]

I never claimed to be an expert.

[fresh mulch]

Hmm what the yuri thread has to say...

[strong moat]

there isn't a formal guide written on it but it's quite easy to reverse engineer the P3P events

I might've tried doing more if I cared more about p3p

[fresh mulch]

p3p but both are femc: you just choose between a depressed tomboy and a quirky redhead

Thinking about it, fem p3 makoto has blue hair and pronouns

[fresh mulch]

Bruh i have no electricity today and have no idea when it'll come back 🫠

[grand cipher]

Ice on your lines?

[fresh mulch]

Its summer here

[grand cipher]

Heat on your lines?

[fresh mulch]

...sure

[ruby phoenix]

actually you get to choosed between a depressed tomboy and another depressed tomboy

[uncut depot]

theyre the same character but one is still an egg

[fresh mulch]

... Ideas are forming in my head

Holy shit wait

[ruby phoenix]

alternative: they're twins but they traded genders

[fresh mulch]

P3R i could just do this similarly to how im doing p5r

But what if for p3p i took a more unique direction, using the vn format as much as i could? It is a game that you choose a character after all, so what if I took the direction of them having more of an inside voice and be even more of their own characters? 🤔

I havent really written any trans protagonists aside from oneshots (ig some people see rei as trans tho), and i was thinking of what if I took the p3p protagonists and gave both a story of transformation?

After all, the Death arcana symbolises exactly that: transformation. It is not about the end, but the transition between an end and a new beginning

I think it would be a cool angle

[grand cipher]

thinking of making a Reload port to this?

or portable or smth

[fresh mulch]

Not a port lol. It would be its own thing

[simple knoll]

in regard to trans, would you make kotone transfem or makoto transmasc?

[fresh mulch]

But i do like the angle of transformation for p3p. With you more following their transformation as an observer

[simple knoll]

I always likes kotone makoto twins theory (which is why i liked minato/minako arisato names before the canon ones were confirmed), so trans twins would be fun

[fresh mulch]

The thing is that i think it would work best if they didnt 'start' trans? (Dont know yet) So trans of a different gender than their original designs

[simple knoll]

hmmm

idk if I like that too much

you do choose your gender at the start

[uncut depot]

i think thats how it is in the stage play but then q2 has them be straight up au versions of each other

[simple knoll]

I think it'd be weird to kind of turn around on the player

[fresh mulch]

I will word that differently so its clear you are picking a character not a gender

[simple knoll]

I imagine it's both in a way. whichever twin you pick the other ||dies in the car crash|| so they're still seperate timelines

[ruby phoenix]

p3p already does this but leaning into it even more would still be neat

[fresh mulch]

The idea im having just wont work if they already figured themselves out imo

[simple knoll]

I like transmasc makoto...

and transfem kotone is very popular

[uncut depot]

thing is if thats the case then their reaction to meeting each other in q2 should be "holy shit my sibling????" and not "hey something about you feels metaphysically familiar..."

[simple knoll]

lol yeah I never said "this is canon!!" it's just a hc

[ruby phoenix]

i also like makoto/kotone twins thing... and also the names makoto yuki and kotone yuki (which is what i usually call her) match similarly to kasumi yoshizawa and sumire yoshizawa which i like a lot

also i tend to see them as identical twins where kotone is transfem and makoto is non-binary

[uncut depot]

minato yuki and kotone yuki

[simple knoll]

...

[simple knoll]

I like fraternal twins where they swap genders lol

[ruby phoenix]

the stage play only implies that but in a way you could also interpret it as au verisons of the same person like q2

i do prefer the twins interpretation personally though

[fresh mulch]

I mean, im not the most experienced with this topic, so i cant exactly tell the best way to go about this? But i am interested in working outside of my comfort zone and writing trans characters finding themselves along the story (which is admitely a huge jump from my usual cis mcs)

[fresh mulch]

Yeah the idea is straightup a more vn style characterized protagonist

The more i think about it, the more fitting p3 feels for this idea

[ruby phoenix]

like with full dialogue lines and not just dialogue options even

something more like will in metaphor maybe?

[uncut depot]

my relationship to gender is weird because im inclined to say nonbinary but like in a way thats slight enough that i havent rly messed with my presentation (although thats probably also laziness in part lol)

[fresh mulch]

Hmm idk. I think dialogue that comes from their mouth should be choosable (even if its just a difference of 'yes.' 'Yes!' And 'yes...:)

But more formed inner thoughts would be interesting

[fresh mulch]

I would present myself more 'femininely' if i wasnt so lazy so i think i get it?

Like, i like being fem. Being butchy is cool too tho

Okay but if we got she/they makoto and he/they kotone, what would their new names be

[uncut depot]

they trade names /j

[fresh mulch]

that def wouldnt be confusing

[ruby phoenix]

i think they would trade names specifically to confuse people. and swap appearances too. to make it even more confusing

[fresh mulch]

Like if i made them transition in the middle of the story(maybe by the point judgement slink is formed?), then i could do a thing were you get to choose their new name?

Thatd be cool i think

[ruby phoenix]

might need some exe patching to get it to work. or a predefined list

[uncut depot]

like that one joke of jessie and james switching identities every other week

[fresh mulch]

You should be able to call the script for name change any time tho

But id want to keep the deadname stored for story purposes

[ruby phoenix]

fair

[fresh mulch]

Like, itd be weird if suddenly everyone is calling you your new name out of nowhere

[ruby phoenix]

that probably would still need exe patching to accomplish i assume

[fresh mulch]

(Life is not that easy )

[fresh mulch]

At least adding custom data to the save

[ruby phoenix]

can you do that without patches?

[fresh mulch]

Twins stealing the others' gender pog

[ruby phoenix]

-# only semi related the fact you can call name entry whenever is good to know for the purposes of sumi protag story overhaul... probably would also need some kinda hacky fix to store the original name though

[uncut depot]

mostly its that i kinda just slap on a tshirt and weather-appropriate bottom clothes and have always done so rather than really experimenting, despite being able to point to characters and be like "yes, that one, i like their gender"

[uncut depot]

> not using force custom protagonist name (yoshizawa does not fit in the name prompt)

[fresh mulch]

I pick whaetever is lying on top of the clothing pile

Im a proud girlfailure

[ruby phoenix]

i would point towards the mod that does that as an optional setting if you want to play with canon names but not force it

if possible i would also try and get the second name change to just change first name so it doesn't fuck it up

[uncut depot]

"yeah i think id like stealing beatrice uminekos swag" makes no effort to assemble that cosplay

[fresh mulch]

What if i forced everyone to have a mc named dingus bingus

[uncut depot]

zoosmell pooplord

no one in this channel but me will get that reference

[ruby phoenix]

that's literally the second page

[fresh mulch]

yay light's back

time to go back to my mod page

[ruby phoenix]

so like. if your name is kasumi yoshizawa at the start of the game because of the mod the prompt wouldn't force you to shorten the last name. just change the first name to whatever you enter (i.e. sumire if you're still doing canon names. which idk why you wouldn't if you were to start with)

changing the last name wouldn't make any sense

and then kasumi's name is stored elsewhere for later

probably somewhat difficult. though i mean the entire concept is difficult

typing this all out i am starting to realise i may be getting a bit too big for my britches here

[fresh mulch]

im lost

can i name kasumi 'BIG DIG'?

[ruby phoenix]

yes but sumire will also have the surname dig no matter what

[fresh mulch]

can i make her first name "SMALL" then?

[ruby phoenix]

yes

[fresh mulch]

poggers

i have so many overhaul ideas for different games...

i guess i could slowly work on non p5r games once in a while at least?

p5r will def be my focus tho

okay this is huge

big

humongos even

[uncut depot]

ngl i usually get lazy with tags

[fresh mulch]

i kinda need to use them tho

[rare oriole]

i've never used them

[uncut depot]

i think i bothered with them for my first couple mods but then afterwards just didnt feel like it

[fresh mulch]

uh it seems no one is using them even

[ruby phoenix]

what do tags even do on gb

[uncut depot]

even though i probably should tbh, i imagine theres people wanting to get into modding who would want to know what tools i use

[ruby phoenix]

is it JUST listing the tools

[fresh mulch]

im only seeing software tags 🥲

[fresh mulch]

should you theoretically be able to put anything?

[rare oriole]

Yuri tag

[fresh mulch]

🔥

guys how do i install my mod

[uncut depot]

i dont even bother with that box lol, just because i only mod games with 1click install

[fresh mulch]

(oh yeah do i need to even include anything in the requirements when reloaded installs them automatically?)

(i guess in case of a hiccup...)

[uncut depot]

i think its good practice to list mod dependencies in case theres an issue auto-downloading

[fresh mulch]

yeah figured

huh neat

[uncut depot]

...actually, thinking about it, maybe i should double check that my own mod descriptions follow my own rules

most of them just require persona essentials though, which most people will already have but sometimes they have outdated versions somehow

[ruby phoenix]

you can usally drop persona essentials since it's self evident though

[rare oriole]

the fun happens when it's a sub dependency that's an issue that you werent even aware you needed

[fresh mulch]

i think those are right? anything unnecessarily added? (the exp share one is part of the balance)

[uncut depot]

issue: i havent released flowutils

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/autism-autism-creature-tbh-creature-yippee-explosion-gif-9334732813018635203

[simple knoll]

I mean... maybe it's your sign to do it now

[ruby phoenix]

is growth removed or is it like. 1/8 exp by default and you use growth skills to increase that

[simple knoll]

why is raidou dlc required

[fresh mulch]

its the mod's own default

[ruby phoenix]

because he's awesome

[fresh mulch]

so full exp for everyone i believe, and growth add on top of that

i think

[uncut depot]

cbt already restores raidou though

[fresh mulch]

oh good to know then

i can remove that ig

[ruby phoenix]

doesn't change what i said

[fresh mulch]

royal female audio is just a suggestion here, but its preferable

[simple knoll]

dependencies are supposed to be "the mod will break without this" not "you should be using this"

[fresh mulch]

the mod will break lmao

balancewise

[simple knoll]

without raudou dlc???? lmao???

[fresh mulch]

oh that one

[uncut depot]

right, i was gonna debug the custom save issue you were having

issue 2: my semester has started and i have homework due tonight

[ruby phoenix]

raidou is a load bearing part of the lesbians without raidou there is no yuri

[fresh mulch]

you see, the vacuum left by raidou will cause the mod to collapse on itself

[fresh mulch]

i read 'i have homestuck due tonight'

[ruby phoenix]

that's a big homework

[fresh mulch]

(that was actually one of the first things while i was messing with the dlc items, but i think that is not necessary since the raidou restoration is for the model and music?)

just never ticked it off

[fresh mulch]

(ideally i'd want my own builtin version that doesnt change joker's own voice tho)

[simple knoll]

I'd prefer rei's voice to be less manly. I think you can make it a config option

[ruby phoenix]

could probably modify the femc model and voice swap mod to just have the voices for that

[fresh mulch]

the thing is that i'd have to change all of rei's voice or nothing (im a perfectionist and i wouldnt be doing all this work) (plus it would have to be a not-high pitched voice and i dont know how common it is for the existing voice swaps to like that? idk i have to see that one day)

[fresh mulch]

hmmm very interesting

[uncut depot]

ive given my opinions on shihoann top/bottom before

[fresh mulch]

now i wanna write a sadist shiho fic

[uncut depot]

she finds it healing uwu

[fresh mulch]

:3

what is this thumbnail 💀

[uncut depot]

lmao

[fresh mulch]

(my room is badly lit and my eyes are burning from the brightness)

[rare oriole]

vtuber logo core

[fresh mulch]

a yes my favorite edtiro

[ruby phoenix]

who's ed tiro they sound like a chill guy

[uncut depot]

would it be a bad idea if i made it possible to create custom save data entries through flow...

[fresh mulch]

dew it

i think thats all 🤔

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/haru-haru-okumura-floof-okumura-gif-18111715

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-dog-traumatized-gif-10801559770686219962

[uncut depot]

like i can do it easily enough i think, i just dont know if exposing the entire-ass custom save data api will open up too many destructive actions
like, if someone wanted to do some trolling they could make a mod that does weird shit like adding weird ass entries or removing entries made by other mods

although i guess thats already true of like code mods and is a reason you should mind what you download

[fresh mulch]

understandable scenario but shouldnt be much of a worry imo

??? tf is that

oh yeah do i disable this?

unsure if gb is the best place for it

[strong moat]

honestly i am tempted to say yes

gb issues are fucking useless

[rare oriole]

^

disable it

[strong moat]

i might go disable mine ngl

[fresh mulch]

(also with limited comments i worry about issues being used for other reasons)

[rare oriole]

ive too many mods to bother

[fresh mulch]

guys i found blockers if anyone wants them?

[ruby phoenix]

unfortunately i think it's too late for those

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-funny-eating-gif-4440560066269991308

[uncut depot]

thinking about it maybe i should too

[fresh mulch]

🤔 should i tick this...?

i use a lot of 'fuck'

[uncut depot]

i dont get all that many issue reports anyway but like might as well since all it rly does is silently swallow bug reports

[rare oriole]

as an expletive right? right?

[fresh mulch]

sure lets go with that /j

huh how do i set the mod as being a wip

ooh i found it

[ruby phoenix]

wips are a different type of submission from mods

[fresh mulch]

yeah it'd be best to have the actual mod page after i get the demo. wip page meanwhile

[strong moat]

whats the intent here

[ruby phoenix]

you can't convert a mod to a wip or a wip to a mod you have to make a second submission once the mod is done

[fresh mulch]

have the wip of this out (mostly to get more feedback as i do the demo)

[ruby phoenix]

but. you're turning off comments???

[fresh mulch]

im redirecting them here

[ruby phoenix]

oh fair

[fresh mulch]

gb comments are not good for feedback imo

[strong moat]

i don't agree necessarily

[fresh mulch]

i guess for non-controversial mods they work fine

[strong moat]

just make a wip and leave it like that. you can set the completion to 100% once it's done and leave it as such or make a second submission

[strong moat]

you are able to delete comments on your own mod

[fresh mulch]

im lazy

[fresh mulch]

would the wip be of the demo or the whole mod?

[strong moat]

start with the demo and just put out updates as you see fit

for example. https://gamebanana.com/wips/86080
this mod started with just the tv world visuals and has since gotten many of the overworld ones done

the og chie va overhaul did something similar

[terse shadow]

[fresh mulch]

(gosh i wanna squeeze this emote)

[rare oriole]

this kills the :MakotoNotes:

[strong moat]

oh speaking of this mod i need to go test it with mira

[fresh mulch]

if DeathChaos is so good why there isn't DeathChaos2—

[rare oriole]

iirc, our dc was dc2 originally then asked for the dc acc since it was abandoned for years

[fresh mulch]

dc lore

why is gb search so ASS

im doing this correctly right

[grand cipher]

search on gb is so ass, it's faster to do the ctrl f method to find the mod

[fresh mulch]

gb is so ass you better search on search engines

[grand cipher]

gb is so ass

[fresh mulch]

so dramatic 😭

like, this just gives the wrong impression

i guess better safe than sorry?

the shadow ann part is not the end of these themes

uh i get what they meant, but this is so badly worded gb

btw i was thinking

would a good way to include slink reversion that doesnt incentivize save scumming be by designing it so certain choices in an earlier rank end up reversing a later rank?

specially in the way im doing where slink ranks are days apart at best

[grand cipher]

would they be like other games' RERVERSE where you basically trash talk them or their gender?

[strong moat]

no

[fresh mulch]

idk what you talking about

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[strong moat]

sorry i know that was a little blunt lol but

in doing that it just becomes more frustrating overall i think

[grand cipher]

if you pick a choice that trash talks their gender before, then later on in the story it makes the sl reverse?

Similar to P3 where the protag basically says to yukari, your a girl so you need to be protected.

[fresh mulch]

i just cant find a way to implement reverting that doesnt end up badly implemented

the best idea is ghosting some confidants

[strong moat]

sorry let me clarify something

by revert do you mean social link reverse (the existing mechanic) or something new?

[fresh mulch]

the scrapped existing mechanic

card upside down thing

[strong moat]

do you feel the other instances of social link reverse are bad?

(p3, p4)

[fresh mulch]

if you are not hardcore roleplaying then yes

i do like p3's jealousy, but its issues are tied to the forced romancing

[strong moat]

what about the other things like the reverses in yukari or naoto's links?

[fresh mulch]

naoto's is what again?

[strong moat]

refusing to help her with the investigation

[fresh mulch]

that is just dumb lol

[strong moat]

you're being a dick

[grand cipher]

Ai has it too where you say she was cruel to the guy who asked her out (i think)

[strong moat]

so you get a reverse

[fresh mulch]

yes exactly

like... who's picking that????

[strong moat]

so you want to implement reverse that isn't just, oh you're a dick

[fresh mulch]

yes

stuff like genuine mistakes

[strong moat]

ok. how do you feel about akihiko's reverse

i would once again ask about yukari's too but specifically fes

[grand cipher]

what is his again?

[fresh mulch]

yukari's is a great example of a reverse (even if mechanically its just as savescummable)

[strong moat]

you reject his romance after hitting his romance flags

[fresh mulch]

its something that is evidently not so obvious to most of the playerbase (aka, not an evil choice, in fact, it seems like the good guy choice)

[strong moat]

it seemed to be the straightforward bad choice to me

[grand cipher]

That sounds more like a break then reverse lol

[fresh mulch]

not to most of the playerbase

[fresh mulch]

havent played femc route yet

[strong moat]

ok then

well it sounds like it's in the execution of the reverse that you're trying to figure out

mechanically i do not think you need to take measures to make it save scum proof

[fresh mulch]

entitled much? /j

[strong moat]

you won't be able to

[fresh mulch]

i have enough of a savescum issue that i try to design around it so players like me can enjoy themselves and not stress out all the time

[strong moat]

it's a negative consequence really so it's hard to not make it appealing. fundamentally i think reverses do only truly work in the case of roleplaying and being in the mindset of, ok i will not save scum

which honestly i do think a choice based break works fine

[strong moat]

i also want to clarify this point

it's not strictly no

(i am including breaks as well in this discussion so keep that in mind)

ai ebihara is an excellent example of how to do it right

[fresh mulch]

i have an idea for the lovers' reverse that would be triggered early, but only reverse later, and i think it's good enough to justify itself?

[strong moat]

it logically makes sense how it works, and it adds to her character development

your choice to romance her early or not is meaningful for her growth and sends her on two different trajectories

[fresh mulch]

i love ai she's so well made

~~and very important for their target audience ~~

[grand cipher]

take that out of context.

[strong moat]

i think you'd have to play it on a case by case basis.
what do you have in mind?

[fresh mulch]

might be a similar case to ai's tbh. but i dont wanna get specific until im sure

i guess having varied ways to break slink (like akihiko's) would be best

not predictable (and not in every slink)

[strong moat]

i think also having choices that involve you being a dick and those causing reverses isn't a bad thing

for example: what if saying beep boop to makoto in that one moment led to a social link reverse

[fresh mulch]

if i do add them, i at least prefer them to be not so obvious 'this is the evil choice' at least

[fresh mulch]

yeah this stuff is what im talking about

more complex and nuanced social interactions that still fit the protag's personality and isnt a 180 of them

[strong moat]

i think also when you look at p3p/p4, social link reverses and breaks are rare so people aren't really expecting them

[fresh mulch]

there is both doubt and reverse that were scrapped?

[strong moat]

like i think probably the worst one in p3 is yukari's funny enough

not the fes version, the p3p/reload one

[fresh mulch]

for the ghosting slinks, i will have many warnings and even a grace period where it's not full reverse at least

[strong moat]

p4 naoto isnt too bad of a break but a lot of people dont choose it anyways

[fresh mulch]

the purpose is to make you sweat not get frustrated

[strong moat]

personally i think this is a bit too forgiving the way you're describing it

you dont need the grace period just have warnings

[fresh mulch]

sometimes im too scared of making something a bit too annoying :p but fair enough

[strong moat]

the whole issue with it in fes was just it not having any warnings

[fresh mulch]

i was thinking that for them, it wouldnt make sense for the pts, yoshida, and sojiro to reverse. what would be other ones?

iwai ig?

[strong moat]

akechi reversing makes some sense maybe?

[fresh mulch]

would maruki make sense? i honestly am unsure

like, he's not the most professional councillor in the first place

[strong moat]

id say thieves minus akechi, sojiro, sae (obviously), and yoshida for sure

i would have to rewatch the other confidants to say

[fresh mulch]

i think that iwai might have a period where some stuff is going on so ghosting there could reverse?

idk i forgor most of it

but yeah that would be context dependant and not an universal mechanic

so its not that much juggling tbf

????? thats TINY

[strong moat]

this is how large it is so it's not a huge deal

[fresh mulch]

technically this is allowed

[terse shadow]

[fresh mulch]

how is my sig

[grand cipher]

would people stay in the channel, or leave after reading most of the stuff here or looking at the pins XD

[fresh mulch]

if they leave they just couldnt take the heat

||i'm in— i mean i'm the heat||

[grand cipher]

you ARE the heat

[fresh mulch]

exactly im hot

[grand cipher]

you ARE ho-I mean heat

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-cat-stare-cat-look-staring-cat-gif-2234218620804077902

[grand cipher]

dont give the side eye girl.

[fresh mulch]

i made it spicier

i guess now i'll be spending the entirety of the next day to get the page somewhat functional

[grand cipher]

I can't tell the difference.

[fresh mulch]

:3

it'll be a long day

[grand cipher]

have fun

[fresh mulch]

yeah im liking this idea more by the minute

once i finish both p3p routes (and get the remaining achievements ) i'll start working on that on the side

[grand cipher]

100%ing portable then working on the mod.

i like it

[fresh mulch]

was this in fes???? 💀

[weary rapids]

I have no idea

[mellow pecan]

I can't believe he called Junpei a stupid [REDACTED] little [REDACTED].

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-3-fuuka-fuuka-yamagishi-confused-confused-fuuka-gif-13734392138280514003

[ruby phoenix]

-# might actually be considering taking a couple parts of the concept we talked about earlier for p3p tyt and doing it myself...

(not everything. probably not the trans parts for instance since you seemed most excited to tackle that and i don't want to step on your toes TOO much

[fresh mulch]

dw about that feel free to do what you want

[grand cipher]

are we friends enough for me to try to even tho i dont mod p3p or even have it in general

[fresh mulch]

i dont own the copyright for p3p so

(also, maybe i could take some notes from a trans writer about these topics)

||like, i'll be honest, more often than not im not interested in female protagonists written by guys. its not that it cant work, heck, some of my favorite yuri were written by guys. its just that women just... tend to write themselves better in general :p. i assume it could be something similar here? idk||

[ruby phoenix]

i'll do my best to answer any questions and give any feedback

[grand cipher]

I see where your going with this.

and I can understand that

[fresh mulch]

lived experience can be such a huge factor because it just gives you a better understanding of the nuances of the situation you are writing

like, have you seen those videos where professionals react to their profession displayed in movies? and they are cringing at all of the tropes? kinda like that

if you are not super familiar with what you are writing its easy to fall back into tropes

lets goooooo

[grand cipher]

THAT 100% YET?

[fresh mulch]

no

[grand cipher]

dang, how close?

[fresh mulch]

i would've done this before 100% lmao

havent even finished the male route

[grand cipher]

also atlus I see you put JP names in that achivement.

sneaky

[fresh mulch]

it'll take months geez

[ruby phoenix]

relatedly i accidentally gave kotone eyeliner and she is slaying

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/true-persona3-gif-24324614

[uncut depot]

if youre searching from a game's page it should force limit results to that game but sometimes i accidentally do it from downloads page which doesnt do this

[fresh mulch]

the thing is that it should prioritize matching all words before anything else

[terse shadow]

(honestly i'll def need some feedback when the time comes)

aeonsys

[Reply to:](#1440097821834612838 message) i'll do my best to answer any questions and give any feedback

[uncut depot]

ive actually considered that for my own doubt mod lol, by way of repeatedly picking "not relationship-ruining on their own but still kinda unnecessarily mean" dialogue options across ranks 2-6 that add up (since imo theres plenty of those even just in the vanilla royal script)
wouldnt be breakable since the plot means he cant totally fuck off but would require passing time to fix (thered be a just-for-show break if you accept marukis deal though)

[fresh mulch]

for 16k messages in the yuri thread, this is surprisingly little...

[uncut depot]

i think ghosting while your non-party confidants have requests active should be a break
like you kinda deserve it at that point, theyre in trouble and you let them suffer

although thats another case of "why would the average player ever do that" lmao

[fresh mulch]

nah just wait until the end of the month i'll do it all in one tartarus visit

(yeah seems like a good idea)

thats a way to incentivize going more than once a month to tartarus

[ruby phoenix]

gotta get those numbers up. yuri yuri yuri yuri. wait only one instance counts per message. aw

[fresh mulch]

...

MEMENTOS

i was just playing p3 ok

[ruby phoenix]

once a month is still kind of overshooting how often you go to mementos

[uncut depot]

i usually do once, maybe twice a story arc
lmao

depends on how my request log is looking

(in og i tried to amass like 3 requests per trip, i think in royal i upped it to 5 since there were more requests and i was progressing confidants faster)

[fresh mulch]

another incentive is that i'll have palace alert in mementos too (if i can get it to work well), and if you max out, you'll be kicked just like i've done with the palaces
... quest bosses give a lot of alert already, making it so that you have limited amount of bosses per run

[fresh mulch]

honestly there shouldnt be a lot of quest backlog here, considering how slowed down confidants are

[uncut depot]

i think its a logical evolution of like p3 confidants breaking and getting apathy syndrome if you leave them in tartarus too long, which is cool in concept but undercooked in that it barely happens and is based on set dates rather than their rank progress

[fresh mulch]

wait they do?

[uncut depot]

iirc?

[ruby phoenix]

yea they do

[fresh mulch]

man i wish that was more common

completely missed

btw any confidant besides hierophant end up wandering into tartarus?

honestly, it wouldve been cool if that was randomized at the beginning of the game

||i did some progress on my harutaba fic during the power outage||

[grand cipher]

if social links do get apathy syndrome, thats dark af

[fresh mulch]

broken?

[ruby phoenix]

i think maiko also does iirc?

[uncut depot]

yea

[grand cipher]

I don't see any videos about it.....

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-holding-head-cat-sad-cat-rahh-wahhhh-gif-11843610789762008433

dont tell me she can die???

[grand cipher]

anyone got a clip of a social link getting apathy?

[ruby phoenix]

technically not die but she can get permanent apathy syndrome. which isn't much better tbf

[fresh mulch]

>game keeps reminding you how you have to save the missing people

>there is even a bulletin board that keeps track of that

legit how can you miss them

[uncut depot]

average persona player behavior

[grand cipher]

WHERE'S A CLIP? I gotta see this

[uncut depot]

(as an aside, for some reason my brain decided to hyperfixate on trying to fix/add to flowutils custom save stuff instead of doing my damn homework which led to me discovering there was possibly an easier way to do the things these functions do)

i dont have the bandwidth to add mira config reading rn, ill figure that out eventually

[fresh mulch]

im gay

[ruby phoenix]

aren't we all

[grand cipher]

MOVE, SHES GAY!

[fresh mulch]

my anxiety certainly is not a fan of having my drafts somewhat visible even if for a few

i guess i'll be editing the page instead of sleeping

forget it im sooo sleepy

gn homos

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleepy-sleepy-head-sleepy-dog-puppy-gif-8724532319784089108

[uncut depot]

gn

[fresh mulch]

[Pointless brainstorming rambling alert]

||(Hmmm considering that ryuji's persona is a pirate in a boat, he could easily learn the aqua skills for flavor, but unlike bufu that turned into a str skill here, aqua is mag, so i'd be giving to him something that will def get insta replaced as soon as possible, since if you need ice coverage that badly, jonkle has plenty already, instead o sacrificing an entire skill slot for aqua on ryuji... unless, instead of learning aqua, ryuji only learned the malaqua variants, giving him the earliest damaging aoe skill in the game, which would be balanced because its not ryuji's best stat while also hitting a weakness only joker can for now, (ann covers fire psy and curse, mona covers wind and bless, and ryuji covers elec nuke curse and ice)) tempted to have it be sojiro's rank 1 because, gameplaywise, it seems the perfect spot, while flavourwise? Uh... bean water? I guess sojiro might teach someone else a fire skill too because coffee)...||

I am almost falling asleep by the second btw my brain is incoherent

Btw yusuke is going to have equal st and mag here. Should he learn bufu or aqua?(i guess both? Maybe single target aqua and multi bufu? Could be interesting)
I'll be giving yusuke magaru skills too, while mona will stay with the single target garus

I dropped my phone on my face its time to sleep. Bye

[simple knoll]

looks like lyn's work

she did the graphic design for p5r essentials and p3r essentials too

[fresh mulch]

Man that was indeed incoherent

Morning homos

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/hibike-euphonium-s1-oumae-kumiko-gif-2547911450364725025

Happy homosex day (its every day)

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[fresh mulch]

NOO JUST REALISED

hibike....

you shouldnt trust every gif labeled yuri

https://tenor.com/view/wataoshi-claire-patting-rei-furious-gif-8039726755465902198

real yuri fix

(havent watched the anime just the light novels)

[rare oriole]

rae "pat step on me harder" taylor

[fresh mulch]

she's my idol

[rare oriole]

i recommend dub, her va was great

[fresh mulch]

thats good to know cause i usually watch dubs

[fresh mulch]

(btw i dont know how far the anime is, but the story does touch on the topic of trans people well (i think?))

(it is in general the most acknowledgement i've seen of lgbt people in animey media)

[fresh mulch]

rae best girl. i mean, claire is cute and all, ||~~but i wish rae was my gf ~~||

[rare oriole]

you should read Our Dreams at Dusk, probably the GOAT for that

and the art is 10/10

[fresh mulch]

oh im pretty sure i read this one

oh yeah i did

🔥 its so good

hmmm

[worthy sage]

lowkey peak

[fresh mulch]

~~not highkey? ~~

[weary rapids]

You gotta lock in Girl

[mellow pecan]

Just take don't rush it'll be your fine a P5R time reimagining?

[fresh mulch]

Dont dead open inside

How did i just fall asleep

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-cat-grab-pet-petting-gif-23800535

[ruby phoenix]

i like how this thread is only about take your time like 30% of the time. we're really bad at staying on topic. not that it matters much

[fresh mulch]

well we are taking our time arent we

[grand cipher]

🥁

[terse shadow]

[fresh mulch]

(my pc doesnt render the trans flag emoji )

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

(you know, i think i'd like kawakami way more if not for that uglyah becky outfit 😭 )

[grand cipher]

whats the point of her keeping the shirt on

she ain't akihiko

[fresh mulch]

its called style

looks much better imo than a simple bikini

[rare oriole]

the portrait of her doing a "cute" expression is horrible too

[grand cipher]

"please stop doing that."

[fresh mulch]

ugh so true 😭😭😭😭😭

like im pretty sure its intentional

of course becky feels off, this is not who kawakami really is

still ended up souring me on her design unfortunately

[fresh mulch]

||also, hotter ||

i like ohya and mishima

[ruby phoenix]

holy shit you're even MORE based than i thought

[grand cipher]

Mishima kept riding our coattails.
Ohya's story isn't horrible but her perks are.

[fresh mulch]

this is exactly why i like mishima

yknow, flawed characters that tackle interesting themes?

dude even has a change of heart by himself and people still say how terrible he is

also, ohya is hot, and if you dont think so, good, more ohya for me

[rare oriole]

joker is the player's self insert, mishima is just the player

[fresh mulch]

persona fans when they stare at mishima and he stares back at them (he hits too close to home)

realistic persona with mishima mc when

[ruby phoenix]

kinda weird people hate mishima and love futaba when they're basically the same character tbh

[rare oriole]

naw futaba is way cringier and it's not even close

[fresh mulch]

while its funny to say 'because waifu', tbf, futaba is infinitely more competent than him. i like incompetent characters but most people seem to really hate them

[fresh mulch]

mishima at least speaks like a human being and not game references every second

(i hate the trope of nerdy characters speaking in computer and game terms excessively 🫠 )

[rare oriole]

how else would you know they play games /s

[fresh mulch]

true looking at futaba you'd never guess, better to remind us she's a gamergirl(awooga)

[rare oriole]

it is imperative she leers at the other female characters, so players know she's one of them

[ruby phoenix]

about ohya is the fake boyfriend thing changed or is it the same just gay now (i mean the plot point that happens either way not the romance route)

[ruby phoenix]

lesbian moment

[fresh mulch]

just remember she's not gay for doing that. its completely normal for girls to be horny for other girls

[fresh mulch]

uh i think that'd be kind of stupid for a fake girlfriend thing (unless she pretended you were a 'boyfriend' because that'd look convincing enough?)

regardless that is always going to be forced and kinda dumb

because, well, joker is a high-schooler. this shit is scandalous fam 😭😭😭😭

they wanted the fake boyfriend trope so badly to the point of keeping it when it makes no sense, while also forgetting that makoto's confidant already does this, so why are we doing this trope again????

[uncut depot]

they actually took one out in localization lol, in engine room

[fresh mulch]

W localization

(i physically cannot write characters like this so expect a more toned down futaba)

[uncut depot]

but also i am a cringe gamer girl and i talk in memes every two seconds so unfortunately cringe gamer speak oversaturated with references isnt even that unrealistic for me

[fresh mulch]

same

[ruby phoenix]

true

certainly the worst part of the ohya slink (aside from the actual romance route which i don't consider canon

[uncut depot]

the transcendently dumb thing is that theres already a perfectly innocuous reason she couldve given for why shes fucking around in shinjuku with you, which is that youre a source for her pt articles that she is paid to write
like, its not even a lie
instead she makes some shit up thats straightforwardly worse lololololol

[fresh mulch]

lets be real, if it wasnt for 'every female adult (excep sae) has to be a romantic interest', ohya would be 100% a lesbian

just look at her

[ruby phoenix]

so true

[fresh mulch]

honestly, considering how every girl except sae seems to be into jonkle, i now believe sae is a lesbian

[uncut depot]

ohya/kayo doomed yuri

[fresh mulch]

that seems to be the law of the universe after all

[uncut depot]

(ive kinda had this change sitting somewhere in my mod idea pile in the back of my brain, but ive never tried doing it or brought it up before now bc its buried under like 20 other mod ideas)

[fresh mulch]

add that to the hat

https://trickstqrs.tumblr.com/post/638799979779096576/fellas

Don't Touch That Dial Now

fellas...

-# #persona 5 #persona 5 the royal #makoto nijima #haru okumura #okujima #art tag

Tumblr · Dec 29, 2020, 1:58 AM

if atlus werent cowards

[uncut depot]

just gotta dig up every reference to the fake dating since it does come up in scenes other than when it first happens

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-car-grey-cat-grey-white-cat-gray-cat-gif-7130137244570406549

[rare oriole]

why is there no mod that has the other characters date each other

[jovial turret]

hey mishima… are you an npc

[uncut depot]

ill make that just to see the shipping wars unfurl /j

[fresh mulch]

i mean... this one will be one

[fresh mulch]

/srs

[uncut depot]

(realistically i wouldnt be against it but itd just get buried in the mod idea pile, and also unlike yours the polycule wouldnt all be gay im afraid)

[fresh mulch]

smh my head

[uncut depot]

(only mostly :v)

[fresh mulch]

i think im just physically incapable of writing het

[uncut depot]

ive noticed that in terms of preference i skew toward slash unconsciously though i dont think exclusively so
...but also my ship preferences are almost always kinda mild anyway with the exception of akeshu which ill die on that hill

[fresh mulch]

ew no way that'll ever catch on

[uncut depot]

brain: what if sumires egg cracked in the back half of the confidant and we get he/they sumire

[fresh mulch]

(ngl i am unsure of what gender my trans kotone would be (maybe because i have very little understanding of this), but that was an idea i had for her at least)

(... why did i default to 'her' there)

https://tenor.com/view/cat-broken-cat-cat-drinking-cat-licking-cat-air-gif-20661740

[uncut depot]

i mean honestly when i made that "haha jk...unless..." i was actually debating between he/they and any pronouns lol

[fresh mulch]

okay i need to know, what would be their gender? like, im still very confused about all of this

(also how is this often done in japan? because lack of pronouns)

(well, not a lack, just different)

wait what

why girls start with first name and transition to pronouns, while boys do the opposite lmao

[uncut depot]

yes

also im aware they wouldnt describe it in those terms because pronouns dont work the same way, it was just easier to get the point across

[fresh mulch]

should i just... stop overthinking gender?

[uncut depot]

https://i.redd.it/163q24p4qkda1.jpg

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-exploding-bingus-my-beloved-gif-24830240

[rare oriole]

semi-related video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHGbCyAqOU

[uncut depot]

ive had that sitting in my watch later for a while lol

[fresh mulch]

idk if i left this video with less or more questions

oh yeah my mod page

uh.... will i be doing anything for judgement confidant?

||aside from the romance addon hosted outside of gb— i mean uh—||

[fresh mulch]

🤔

i wonder how hardcoded some stuff is here

[grand cipher]

So is this gonna the story social link that goes on as the game does like Fool, or will it be like Judgement where you only get it after escaping Death?

[fresh mulch]

i want it to start after you form the pts

kind of a contrast to the fool

[fresh mulch]

what i got on the page so far

this is just a fraction of what i still have to add 🥲

https://tenor.com/view/uni-tail-wag-unicat-cat-tail-wag-happy-cat-gif-9054376207303721823

i think i may delay the publication of the gb post until i get the new skill overhaul done?

i should also add some new personas and enemies for the first impression showcase

its hard to decide when something is good enough to make public

specially when i want to make good first impression

[fresh mulch]

||im still recovering from this ||

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah i wonder what would be good names for transfem p3 makoto and transmasc kotone

[uncut depot]

"best friends"

[fresh mulch]

tbf it is accurate

they date by the end

wait was this in fes????

so much gold

[mellow pecan]

Kotone and Makoto, respectively.

[fresh mulch]

true...

[strong moat]

yes

[fresh mulch]

i think it has been a decade. no wonder some stuff is not familiar

i do not remember this

neuron activation

[grand cipher]

I'd put the boss fights in their own sections instead of the confidant sections, but you do you

[fresh mulch]

once i have more than 1 then sure

this is part of ann's arc after all

im gonna lock tf in and work on the skills

(yes i just died twice in p3 how can you tell)

fuck you

why is mudo so ass in this game

this is what i've gotten so far

[grand cipher]

feel like a lot of people are using excel for these things

[fresh mulch]

because its the best for table stuff

[grand cipher]

I use notepad. TwT

[fresh mulch]

i used to until getting tired of the monochromeness of it

if i were to describe the types of offensive atacks that most define them, i'd say that...
ann is claw(phys)/bite(phys)/needle(gun)/agi/maravi(fire)/psi/mamudo/zan(almighty)/megido
ryuji is lunging(phys)/punching(phys)/claw(phys)/shooting(gun)/magna(elec)/mazio/frei/maeiha/malaqua
mona is sword(phys)/punching(phys)/claw(phys)/bite(phys)/arrow(gun)/needle(gun)/garu/kouha/hama/zan(almighty)

support-wise...
ann is dia/recarm/-kunda/dormina/marin karin
ryuji is mabaisudi/-kaja/famine's breath/taunt
mona is most healing/-kaja/-kunda/dazzler

(the main levelup skills should be mostly straightforward tho. this is more common skills they learn from slinks or books)

[fresh mulch]

still debating on whether i should have a second family for wind and psy. i kind of like the asymmetry they make tho

hmmm maybe?

ma- skills having more power sounds interesting 🤔

[fresh mulch]

(pretend maragi has this)

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah, the world confidant might not do much?

i think it'll end up being mostly a cosmetic cool-factor thing

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-14808454542484343765

best friend behavior

[fresh mulch]

hmmm i'll probably be adding all of those aside from jack agilao

hm hellish brand could be a cool skill to give haru, for flavor reasons (Milady was branded with a fleur-de-lis)

(considering how they focus on this detail on the persona descriptions, this seems particularly relevant for haru herself, since, well, she was basically treated like a commodity by her own father)

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bloom-into-you-cute-gay-lesbian-gif-23781413

[simple knoll]

THE yuri

[fresh mulch]

bloom into you more like the yuri

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-yuri-hug-yuri-cuddle-cuddle-anime-gif-12617757114836882012

anhuojrfnwhgoikujrwhng???

||i swear if lycoris s2 is bait—||

[fresh mulch]

i think i filled most fire skills i want rn. tomorrow i'll be adding them to the game

i may need to eventually use that expanded skill framework thing?

because there arent that many slots left in vanilla

anyway, im tired and its past 2 am rn

goodnight homos

https://tenor.com/view/madoka-magica-madoka-homura-good-night-cute-gif-866126351279156991

[uncut depot]

you cant, its broken on 1.0.4

[fresh mulch]

Noo

Good morning homos

[fresh mulch]

Why are there no girls for the girl kisser to kiss 🤔

[weary rapids]

[terse shadow]

📂 image.png

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mizuki-mizuki-akiyama-mizuena-yuri-lesbian-gif-2567338879253807967

i have no understanding of what sekai even is, but i fecking love this ship from the fics i've read

||mizuki is so cute ||

[fresh mulch]

i wish i was called a cuddle wuddle honey snuggle boo boo bear

[rare oriole]

[terse shadow]

[fresh mulch]

now, im mostly a top

||tho i'd bottom for M—||

https://tenor.com/view/okay-what-cat-cute-kitten-gif-9727803

[fresh mulch]

bro 3 whole slots for a mid fight

i can just give jose other stuff, this is not that important

[fresh mulch]

broly's month-long bday ended

(holy the year barely started and its already the end of january)

[strong moat]

eyo broly?

https://tenor.com/view/broly-z-broly-laughing-looking-at-phone-meme-gif-14585553075239458894

[fresh mulch]

well, if i ever run out of unused attacks, i guess i could substitute most of the item skills, and connect the items to existing skills instead

i'll be adding a lot more so this may end up happening

[fresh mulch]

||~~... i might be more of a bottom than i realized ~~||

these would be great candidates to free up skill slots

just tie them to the elemental skills

[ruby phoenix]

would get rid of the fact they have fixed damage but tbh that would be an improvement these items kinda suck unless you have to use them to hit a weakness

[fresh mulch]

yeah the fixed damage is so bad

wtf is the point of the almighty ones 😭

for stuff that usually is going to be acquired by spending free time not crafting lockpicks, they should've been goated tbh

they could've made these be the -dyne skills and it wouldnt have been gamebreaking anyway

[ruby phoenix]

i mean yeah. the magic scales off your stats too so.

[ruby phoenix]

sometimes in the VERY early game they can deal more damage than the regular moves but you don't usually have enough of them yet to exploit that fact really so it doesn't even matter

[fresh mulch]

everyone obviously spend the precious early game time slots to craft these items (its so hard to justify anything not lockpick if you dont have the eternal one yet )

oh yeah should i even have eternal lockpick?

[ruby phoenix]

and by the time you get the 150 damage versions they're already outclassed

[fresh mulch]

it just kind of completely removes a system from the game basically. i guess its fine for vanilla persona, but seems like a bad idea here

[fresh mulch]

what if they just made them cast myriad truths instead

[ruby phoenix]

do it add a myriad truths rock it would be funny

[fresh mulch]

🪨

[fresh mulch]

uh... do i have to compile to bmd? i did that before, but im trying to do it in a way that doesnt have me compile every change

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ice-cream-cat-gif-24824906

[uncut depot]

no

https://sewer56.dev/p5rpc.modloader/usage/#example-bmd-in-archives

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah i forgor about the dummy file thing

(maybe i should remember that documentation exists)

[uncut depot]

in fairness documentation is kinda scattered tbh, i learned how to do most things in large part by being around when the frameworks were made lol

[fresh mulch]

(of course i already did this and forgot)

i've been working on this mod since i've first started mess with this stuff, so the files are kind of a war zone from me learning over time

[uncut depot]

understandable have a nice day

[fresh mulch]

the sheher folder is from when the femc stuff was going to be an optional thing, now its just used for encpk stuff in general because im lazy

(base and en are from evtui)

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-cat-explode-mike-interpol-gif-13503338605162614186

[ruby phoenix]

wait you can give the folders different names from the actual cpks they compile to and have multiple folders compile to the same cpk neat

[fresh mulch]

yeah

couldnt you just have stuff from the p5cpk and encpk on the same folder as well?

(tho why would you do that)

[ruby phoenix]

is there a particular reason to separate the cpk folders other than just organisation

[uncut depot]

nah

unless youre using evtui

which has not very good pathing

for scripts anyway

[fresh mulch]

organization is the best reason tbf

[uncut depot]

tbh ive kinda reached the point where i dont bother with multiple cpk folders at all just because i dont feel like flipping through file explorer as much
i probably would if i had a truly massive mod where particular subfolders take an annoying length of time to scroll through but otherwise i usually just sorta know where things are lol

[fresh mulch]

time to work on getting a good skill description format ig
one thing im worrying is that by showing the base damage numbers, people will think the multihit skill are bad

like holy counter intuitive

but the squareroot value is ugly as sin as well

what does '3.249654' power means??? 😭

no wonder atlus is vague when they always use this system

oh right, there is a reason i kept the hex value of the skill in my table...

why atlus

[ruby phoenix]

could write it as something like 50 3-5x (150-250)

[fresh mulch]

except that the power is not like this

square root of 50 is basically 7, then x3 its 21
at minimum this is equivalent to a skill of base power 450 (square root is ~21)

at its best, this is the equivalent of a skill of 1250 base power

(why square root why)

brave blade is 600 power

[ruby phoenix]

so. 50 3-5x (450-1250). that would feel wrong without explanation though

[fresh mulch]

and it wouldnt be a accurate because its rounding so im still lying

(not rounding is ugly tho)

(also i dont have the exact calcs so i dont know if something else adds to that formula)

[uncut depot]

sqrt(6 * 100) == sqrt(6) * 10, sqrt(6) is somewhere between 2 and 3, so...20-something power?
x number of hits

idk why i mathed that

[fresh mulch]

unless there is something else that goes into the calc that im too dummy to realize, squareroot of 600 is ~24, 20 is ~4.4, so x3 20 basepower hits is 13.41640786499874 summed. not very close

oh yeah, the 'ultimate' elemental skills like ice age and blazing hell are 180 bp, so ~13

(they lose to 3 wet noodles 😭 )

more than 1000 basepower

hmm what if i had an arbitrary 'tier' from F to S i could use so its easier to tell where the skill is supposed to go based on that? (it would be mostly based on the tree progression lmao)

maybe i could trick the players into using lullaby by giving it an A

[ruby phoenix]

tbh i want to have a 24 hour lesbian make out session with p2 maya i mean wait whaaaat who said that

[fresh mulch]

i mean same ig

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-exploding-so-silly-gif-15918586977293620068

[fresh mulch]

hmm i am experimenting with an idea

having skills with IK effect have a guaranteed remove of X amount of sp, to give them an alternate use in boss fights

of course i have to design the bosses so they are not completely stuck when out of sp

it is not SP draining, just removal

i just dont know if like, 5% of max sp is too little or too much

you'd have to hit 20 mudos in a row to remove all of the sp, but this is not taking into account bosses also using skills, maybe knocking that down to 15ish?

ugh my head hurts. too much think

spirit drain also scales off of mag instead of being a fixed amount now

oh yeah the ST side of the fire skills with the skill grading concept

multihit potential is so hard to visualize that this might be a good idea (also, rating can be used to influence player behavior which hopefully i can use that well)

[fresh mulch]

🤔

yup, its working as i expected. 2 hits are dealing about the same damage as agi

(if anyone wants to give their cents feel free)

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/women-wednesday-heart-of-the-woods-sapphic-wlw-gl-gif-17673207128059713655

[ruby phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/whisper-me-a-love-song-yuri-sailormoonsailorstars-gif-8263043257179174249

[fresh mulch]

i hope we get more yuri with the main couple getting together earlier

did the villainess anime cover clare and rae being all kissy kissy or is that gonna be s2 (it happens relatively early)

[ruby phoenix]

imagine a yuri between a girl named yuri and another girl named yuri

[fresh mulch]

yuriyuri

https://tenor.com/view/aww-gif-aww-shucks-gif-gif-2242021281917115980

[fresh mulch]

(btw they canonically feck unfortunately it is offscreen)

[rare oriole]

yuri never gets a season 2 (besides like 2 or 3 now ig)

[fresh mulch]

villainess and magirevo will get s2 trust

if only japan was based...

[fresh mulch]

||~~it is not offscreen if you go to the author's kofi ~~||

[fresh mulch]

okay i think im about done with the implementation of the st-scaling fire skills

(the mod page will have to wait )

it is getting very late, so good night home of sexuals

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kiss-dog-lick-kiss-cat-dog-gif-13534897395749114474

[fresh mulch]

Morning

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/rust9k-gold-ship-mejiro-mcqueen-goldship-hugging-mejiro-mcqueen-uma-gif-490893759201071102

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-anime-girl-phone-yuri-crowsbo-gif-6312942718563849206

kase-san!!!!

recommend the manga (i havent watched the anime yet)

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/rudosiri-umayuri-yuriuma-sigmayuri-sigma-yuri-gif-12063133977181729167

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jovial-merryment-horse-race-testing-yuri-gif-4490941566463939167

[simple knoll]

horse race mentioned!!!

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mizuena-friday-mizuena-enamizu-mizuki-akiyama-mizuki-gif-8156159172217351214

(its not friday but who cares)

i think it works?

[fresh mulch]

hey, thoughts on having more useful versions of the wall skills?
Fire Wall and co. would target the entire party
meanwhile for a single ally we have "Elemental Wall" that adds Fire/Ice/Wind resistances, and "Force Wall" that adds Elec/Psy/Nuke resists

undertuned or overtuned?

[fresh mulch]

😭

both numbers at once

[ruby phoenix]

1 is my favorite meme number

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-one-snapcube-sonic-the-hedgehog-gif-27436474

[fresh mulch]

yay finally did all of the fire skills

(as in, these are in the game now)

[strong moat]

depends

I don't remember when you get the wall skills tbh

[fresh mulch]

yeah thats the most important part

[strong moat]

in P4G you get them as bike skills so them being single target is truly sad

I mean even then, making them AOE still has them feeling kinda niche

[fresh mulch]

maybe at kamoshida's is too early and makoto's getting a bit too late? maybe introducing at madarame is ideal?

(idk why i said makoto instead of kaneshiro)

[strong moat]

you could balance a single target wall at kamoshida I think

I didn't realize your rewrite had you making Makoto a palace owner

inchresting (/j)

[fresh mulch]

that would fall off harder than the single target kajas tho

[strong moat]

yeah probably

[fresh mulch]

i remember apsaras from madarame's palace having the walls?

they appear from the start

[strong moat]

I mean the utility of wall skills still feels a bit questionable for me in general. it makes more sense if the boss has a specific element (see: P3, P4) but

[fresh mulch]

having wall skills be less of an action economy cost should help at least

they probably could have a place early-mid game simply because you are limited in which party members to bring to a fight, and party members in this mod always have at least 2 weaknesses

now, how to make walls worthwhile for a party member to hold instead of jonker... idk

[strong moat]

at least with vanilla balance, if walls were strong enough to be worth taking id always prefer having them on a party member over the protag

the protag is generally going to have the best offensive skills so it's nice to keep support to the party members where possible

[fresh mulch]

yeah but what if your party members were really cracked as well?

seems like a skill slot waste here

hmm i was using elec on force and wind on elemental because that is how it was in p1

but i think i should swap

skull would really like getting hit by a force wall that removed his wind and psy weakness (there is no flag for removing bless/curse weakness btw. we only have the tetraja effect)

mona as well for an elemental wall

[strong moat]

well then that's down to the power of the skill in question but just by merit of being a wild card and having more varied stat customization, protag will always be stronger

[fresh mulch]

true that

i think the new trait effects i gave them should hopefully help the party members keep up with joker a bit

(i still havent got to test them yet so take these with a grain of salt)

[strong moat]

does the last one actually work

like is it possible to change that stuff without going into coding hell

[fresh mulch]

yes it is using an existing trait (you can call a chain of traits to make one trait as far as i can tell)

[strong moat]

oh cool

[fresh mulch]

mona does this for his majestic presence already in vanilla

it uses two traits in one

[strong moat]

that's cool

[fresh mulch]

now, the text can get a bit funky but i'll get to there when i get to there

[strong moat]

probably worth confirming this does work before you do too much work on it

[fresh mulch]

as far as i can tell its working

might crank some numbers up a bit to confirm once i get to the traits

i implemented them after the archangel boss fight at the gym-church part

so its quite early you get access to traits

(i think in vanilla you need to do the calling card for madarame???)

[fresh mulch]

now, i have no idea if ann is overpowered or underpowered, it'll really depend on how insane the ailment and IK odds can get

funny thing: she actually has the lowest luck stat alongside yusuke, but i think that ends up being a good thing because her trait can kind of offset the luck issue (and tbh it shouldnt matter that much at later levels) while allowing her to have stats allocated elsewhere

[strong moat]

yeah I know Ann in base game is pretty good at the start and then falls off hard

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah this is kinda funny because its a bit of the opposite here

she has some of the worst max sp early game, but that eventually ramps up hard and she gets the highest max sp

(mona is your main sp battery at kamoshida basically)

look at this beauty

queens' looks very cool

https://tenor.com/view/friends-doug-chandler-work-lines-gif-18170008

(also, ann is surprisingly bulky endurance wise, she just doesnt have that much hp so she still dies in a few hits)

[ruby phoenix]

wait it looks like her health is going down in some levels

[fresh mulch]

it doesnt, just looks like it because of the lack of floats

you have to increase the stat in intengers so it is always a bit jagged

[cloud dew]

traits in vanilla unlock the first time the player initiates the infiltration into madarame's palace

[fresh mulch]

really? huh

[cloud dew]

yeah, igor calls in Joker to explain it

[fresh mulch]

well anyway, these early multi-traits should kind of make the party members better than joker at the early levels before you have that much freedom in fusion

[uncut depot]

i thought you couldnt chain that many effects

[fresh mulch]

last i tested i was sure it was working

might as well test now ig

at the worst case scenario, exe editing for this shouldnt be that bad? just have the new trait effect id called when the effects you want are called as well

i should find a way to shorten these descriptions...

oh oh

it only works for the first chained trait

im not getting the messages for the third effects

i'll figure this out later. rn i need to finish the skills then the gb page

[ruby phoenix]

is it possible the other traits still affect things but don't give messages?

tbf that would be kind of hard to test since. luck based

[fresh mulch]

i mean, you can easily test by making one of the chained traits reduce the sp cost of x skills

[uncut depot]

yea i thought thats what i remembered

[sullen drift]

Oh my god! That’s amazing! “Okasa, Otosa, I think I‘m a Girl. But I am not sure yet. Mainly because I can become a girl and then change back. But I think I like being a girl better.”

“We love you no matter what Aka-chan. Even if you decide you are both genders”

Seriously nice catch!

[fresh mulch]

😭

[fresh mulch]

time for the ice family yay

https://tenor.com/view/oomfie-hug-mayburi-bridget-may-gif-11343093385535605455

[fresh mulch]

excuse me

[fresh mulch]

ngl while i prefer playing games in release order (yes i played p1 before the others lol), im thinking of playing pq2 even tho i haven't finished pq1(i dont even have the old save anymore 🥲 )

should be more helpful for this project at least, cause yknow, p5

[strong moat]

PQ is the better game ngl

[fresh mulch]

i think i stopped by the haunted house

[strong moat]

I really like that dungeon

[fresh mulch]

i see...

this is a real name

oh god japanese voices i forgot about that

[grand cipher]

what even happens if you do a offensive name? You get banned or sum

[fresh mulch]

honestly i dont think they have that in place

its just asking for courtesy probably

[strong moat]

not anymore that's for sure

[fresh mulch]

i name my singleplayer stuff some really... interesting stuff so i like those warnings

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

mona what's wrong with your face

weird they use p3/4 sound effects

OMG SHES SO CUTE AAAAA

i wanna squeeze her

[grand cipher]

why they even bother trying to make him kawaii.

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-jimin-jungkook-taekook-cat-big-feet-gif-23387705

[grand cipher]

literally

[fresh mulch]

mona will never compare

chibi makoto is consistently my weakness why

[terse shadow]

[grand cipher]

kawaii chibi, same thing.....

well depends on the character anyway

[fresh mulch]

close enough

[grand cipher]

that spine though.

They shrunk his spine.

[fresh mulch]

hmmm thinking about it, it would be interesting to have enemy shadows of p3/4 together with the 'persona shadows' from p5. a type of enemy you can't negotiate at all (like how smt usually has some races of demon that cant be reasoned with)

would getting the models and animations from p4g be not too difficult?

[fresh mulch]

indeed

oh right goho-m's were a thing in p5. hmm... i might experiment with palace quick travel later

[mellow pecan]

That was sarcasm.

[mellow pecan]

Given how gameplay mechanics are usually diegetic, I wonder why they never bother to use a goho-m after grabbing the treasure.

[fresh mulch]

you dont say

[uncut depot]

because items are an afterthought

[fresh mulch]

true...

the thing is that items are such a great way to connect the social sim and dungeon gameplay. it would be cooler if stuff like sodas were more useful

[uncut depot]

throwback to how they have to actively disable gohom for engine room so you cant sequence break your way out of akechi fight

[grand cipher]

I mean they kinda do, after doing a dramatic escape, they somehow exit super quick afterwards

[fresh mulch]

i never even thought about this lmao. im honestly surprised this was qa'd

[fresh mulch]

they press r1 and travel back to entrance duh

[uncut depot]

like, i dont even think of gohoms as canon with how non-present they are

[fresh mulch]

(honestly how does fast travel work here? is it just gameplay/lore segregation?)

[grand cipher]

Take Kamoshida.

The exit was somehow at the end of a long hallway, NOT the drawbridge.

[grand cipher]

Gameplay.

Lore/Canon-wise, they go from the entrance forward.

[fresh mulch]

well p4g mentions them a lot in the... uh... menus

[fresh mulch]

do they just perfectly dodge every shadow then?

not that its hard

[grand cipher]

yes.

keep in mind, they would have to sprint super quick during the maruki arc considering it's already night-time AND he said you only had till the next day.
so they had to haul ass. Though not really since I'm sure Maruki would have saw them from the top of the palace

[fresh mulch]

i was wondering if it would work having quick travel only accessible through the entrance but not the safe rooms

(okumura would be a pain...)

[grand cipher]

or have a Config where fast travel is disabled entirely.

[uncut depot]

i think the only game where i think of them as real is q/q2
where 1) i actually used them because the alternative was a pain-in-the-ass backtrack to dungeon entrance when you have too little sp to progress further, 2) they arent just sitting in random-ass drugstores or makeable with shit around your house, you have to get them in dungeon or from the velvet attendant manning the store

[fresh mulch]

every palace seems to be somewhat designed to be traversable in a reasonable amount of time from the entrance except okumura's palace

maybe i could have some fhits that act as teleports idk

[grand cipher]

actually wait....

Isn't Okumura impossible? Like by the time you get the door to the next room open in airlock, the entrance to airlock is locked

isn't that right

[fresh mulch]

wouldnt it reset?

[grand cipher]

idk, ive always just went straight to the boss every time, not looking back

[uncut depot]

im psure for escaping collapsing palace they just have to get out of range of the falling rubble, and then when the larger metaphysical space goes away theyre just deposited in the real-world area

[fresh mulch]

reminded me

[grand cipher]

good point.

in kamoshida, you only really see the tower collapsing right? Then again, with futaba the whole fricken thing went down. Mementos is idk

[grand cipher]

they said that in public btw. xd

[uncut depot]

og bustup jumpscare

[grand cipher]

who? ann?

[uncut depot]

all of them but mainly ryuji

[fresh mulch]

this is from a og playthrough, probably made before royal

[uncut depot]

yeah id assume

[fresh mulch]

what if they just really liked the og bustups tho

[uncut depot]

i still wonder if maybe they considered disabling fast travel on calling card day and then changed their mind
on account of this particular quirk of palace design

[uncut depot]

then their taste sucks :v

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[fresh mulch]

its what im doing rn, but im thinking of disabling in general if goho-ms are a thing (tho maybe i should give at least one to the player in the dungeon)

we'll see

[grand cipher]

well if your mods super difficult, maybe give them a chicken way out by giving a go-hom

honestly thats something I might do. XD

Chicken accessory, grants decreased damage. Basically doing a resident evil

[fresh mulch]

huh no 60 fps mod for pq2

hopefully the cheat works fine

[uncut depot]

i mean i guess yeeting regular fast travel would maybe make me use them more, in the sense that id prob use them to return to entrance when route is secured or if i cant progress further, though beyond that i feel like itd mostly just make me not feel like returning to entrance every time i get an alarm lol

[fresh mulch]

tbf i wouldnt say thats a bad thing in and on itself

[strong moat]

the only games I consistently used goho-m in were PQ and PQ2 ngl

[uncut depot]

honestly id be more inclined to yeet gohoms since their existence just doesnt make sense to me, but its your mod, i could always just make archon rebalance if i care that bad

[strong moat]

not even for P1/2

[ruby phoenix]

that would be interesting

p5 already plays around with that a little with the corprobos but it would be interesting to see that expanded more yeah

[fresh mulch]

well i used that one tp skill in p1 a bit