[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

[uncut depot]

"no but see its the epilogue and the player already maxed them all itd be weird to mechanically punish it now"

-some guy who thought being able to collect women like pokémon cards was a good idea

and frankly cheating event with all 10 women is so absurd it becomes comical rather than guilt trippy

i am desperate to know how sojiro bails your ass outta that one

[fresh mulch]

the thing is that the only way i see it being punishing enough is to give you a bad ending like literally every other vn. p3 funnily enough had a justification of why nothing happened to the mc because door-kun moment. but the ending scenes of p5 and 4 simply do not make any sense when you cheat on them

the solution is simple tho: dont have it be an option

[fresh mulch]

he tells them random factoids about different types of coffee beans and his old man autism makes them forget what they were mad about

[uncut depot]

i still think "reverse/break everyone in the cheating event with no warning except your own conscience" would be funny af

[fresh mulch]

if it wasnt for the sake of keeping the player's power fantasy, i wonder how sojiro would actually react there.

but fr few men can be somewhat normal about poly from what i've seen. specially not fecking otakus

[uncut depot]

"i saved you from being murdered. the rest is on you "

[rare oriole]

gaslights his own daughter too

[fresh mulch]

call me jaded, but i struggle to imagine most guys actually reprimanding other guys for being shitty to women

[fresh mulch]

special scene where he just pulls the fecking shotgun if you cheat on futaba

[uncut depot]

im pretty sure the average cishet thinks all non-monogamy is the same anyway

[rare oriole]

really ruins his characterization if you do it, futaba is actually just crying in the original p5 scene

[fresh mulch]

"we must keep the harem power fantasy at all costs. some characterization may die, but that's a sacrifice we are willing to make" - atlus

[fresh mulch]

isnt nonmonogamy just girls kissing to make my pp hard

(i woke up with venom for a specific gender today )

i should drink my coffee

[uncut depot]

i mean in the sense of throwback to when someone made a poly mod request and some jackass's immediate reflex was to joke that p5 fans are incapable of being faithful

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-kitty-komaru-cat-explosion-cat-cat-explosion-gif-4940756872467221811

[uncut depot]

"poly and cheating are the same thing right???"

[fresh mulch]

of course not. are they stupid?

[uncut depot]

what did that cat do to deserve this

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/get-blown-up-dog-dog-explosion-sticky-notes-gif-17071604041793579031

[uncut depot]

for a moment my brain tricked me into thinking that dog grew a second pair of eyes after taking the note

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/explode-explosion-exploding-hamster-gif-17221442786221581115

[fresh mulch]

cant trust nothing to not be ai nowadays smh my head

[rare oriole]

idk how to break this to you, but oceanstuck has been an AI bot for the past two months

something about their research paper for their degree

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[uncut depot]

i cannot put into words how agonizing it is being near the end of the cs program trying not to make a scene over every third capstone project being ai slop

[fresh mulch]

i found it

(2024 tho. i remember saying worse stuff years ago)

so true...

[uncut depot]

im glad my middle school ass kept her shitty ass thoughts in her head i think id combust if someone dug up something shit i said as a fucking 12yo

[fresh mulch]

....... what did i just read

[uncut depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccoj5lhLmSQ

[fresh mulch]

> kept her shitty ass thoughts in her head
i didnt unfortunately :3 (still dont often)

[fresh mulch]

holy nostalgia

this thread has the highest 'comments with poly' count btw (in concepts and projects)

[uncut depot]

lol

[fresh mulch]

oh no
it caught up

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

oh yeah im almost done with this event btw

yipee

[uncut depot]

like i believe them when they say they didnt mean offense but i also feel like "this is a hurtful joke and i shouldnt say it" is a conclusion they couldve reached by just rubbing two braincells together

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dog-back-rub-massage-gif-3538388

[rare oriole]

really went to the only place the persona cheating bit doesn't apply, to do the persona cheating bit

[uncut depot]

junpeitrue

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-gif-549301440228520168

[uncut depot]

uni!!

[fresh mulch]

[fresh mulch]

||haru wants our seed??? ||

after writing this i got an idea...

what if one of the haru's confidant abilities is growing the plant at home faster? as well as bonus kindness from it

maybe even get an extra proficiency when tending to the plant...

[fresh mulch]

(wait the wording here doesnt make much sense. i mean having the plant be available to be taken care of more often)

idk how possible it is to add new abilities tho, in a way it shows in the ui at least

but i could probably substitute the talk confidant abilities? seems to be easy to edit them to do nothing according to the party tbl

at the end of the day i'm certain i will be removing at least harissen and endure

https://tenor.com/view/slim-cat-cat-cats-chat-chats-gif-17695637

... WAIT WHAT????

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/staringsoldiercatok-gif-2130370366885478984

i hate this game

[fresh mulch]

no way...

why is p3 inheritance so shit???? 😭

holy shit reload fixes that

no way??? reload made phys personas able to actually inherit elements???

okay reload might be good

so, for some reason strike inheritance can have everything but slash, while slash can only have all phys and support

this feels backwards

strike should be ungabunga phys stuff, while slash should have more elemental affinities instead

this is the inheritance chart in my mod

i have yet to do a proper test drive of this tho

the plan is for every arcana to at least have 1 of each inheritance type too

why reload has only 3 gun inherits but a brazillion fire ones???

[strong moat]

I do not think this is necessarily a good thing lol but

is it not dependent per persona rather than based on their primary element?

[fresh mulch]

it is when you have 3 different types of phys

[strong moat]

(looking at your chart)

[fresh mulch]

nope. it is based on a hidden inheritance value

[strong moat]

well that's kinda lame I always thought it was different for each persona lol

[fresh mulch]

nope

you see, curse-type perosnas can't inherit phys or gun skills in vanilla

>looks at most curse personas having both of these

[strong moat]

is that the case in all persona games then or just P5R as far as you know

it being based on element like this

[fresh mulch]

its in every persona game

maybe not p1 and p2? idk much about their system

seems like p2 also has something similar

(wait can you even do inheritance in p2?)

[strong moat]

wild

didn't know that

[fresh mulch]

man these symbols are kinda sick

[strong moat]

p1/2 are different yes

it's been a second since I played them but I think it's like. you only get to bring over 1 skill

the leveling also works differently bc your persona rank is what determines when you get skills, not your persona level

either way I don't think there's anything meaningful to get from P1/2 so probably worth ignoring that

they just work too differently...

[fresh mulch]

according to this, p1 otohime inherits everything and is 'ice', while jack frost cant inherit fire and is 'ice'. so maybe this one is per persona? (also where is this elemental value taken from?)

[strong moat]

wdym elemental value

[fresh mulch]

the hidden inheritance type

[strong moat]

presumably from the same sources as p3-5? idk too much about classic persona's data

or similar sources I should say

[fresh mulch]

probably datamining then

games without this system have the almighty icon representing every demon in this calc

oh yeah, nocturne was per demon im pretty sure

it takes the demon's physicality into account

GIRL

[fresh mulch]

ngl im not a fan of bless and curse having limited phys inheritance. considering how both of these types have many demons associated to both phys and gun (i even have holy arrow in this mod)

i guess being limited to ailment or healing is enough already

[strong moat]

I wish it was per persona instead ngl

[fresh mulch]

can't do

well

i guess in theory you could add individual entries?

[strong moat]

that's why I said I wish lol

[fresh mulch]

holdon it might be possible

[strong moat]

I guess if I didn't notice it up to now it's not a big deal though

[fresh mulch]

it is a hidden mechanic after all

this boss is shit

should be able to make one entry for each persona, up to FF FF

i do wonder if there is a point in which making the inheritance file too big might cause issues for other stuff

it is part of a .bin after all

[strong moat]

I wouldn't know

(also I just realized what you chose for your mod ID and it's really bugging me lol)

[fresh mulch]

this was my old mod id

but i accidentally changed when doing some code mod stuff oops

[strong moat]

it would probably be worth trying out just to see, but at the same time I'm not convinced you really need to do much about it. maybe if you wanted to pursue the concept, have like a few variants for each element so that it isn't just what, 7-9 variants or however many it is rn

[strong moat]

yeah if you haven't released yet I do recommend following the r2 convention

or at least the relaxed version which is what I do

[fresh mulch]

i'll rename later eventually maybe

[strong moat]

in this case it would be some variant of p5rpc.takeyourtime... which I would leave it at that but technically the full convention is game.type.name so maybe something like p5rpc.overhaul.takeyourtime? idk

again I just do game.name lol

[fresh mulch]

please tell me that you are supposed to have bought an anti charm accessory and not that they expect you to grind the narcissus' one instead, right?

[strong moat]

I genuinely do not remember that boss

[fresh mulch]

sexy dance saxy dance magarudyne magarudyne

pierce basic attack once in a while

[strong moat]

oh that's not too bad is it

just bring wind resist

[fresh mulch]

no but its annoying

[strong moat]

I'm sorry I just genuinely don't remember having any issues lmao

[fresh mulch]

i mean i also dont remember most p3 bosses

[strong moat]

then again even the infamous table was a non issue for me

[fresh mulch]

i managed to inflict distress once btw. yipee (only to get 1 crit in total)

i'll stop being creative again

[strong moat]

the table is mainly funny from a, "a fucking table drops megidolaon??" perspective

or megidola

but still non issue for me idk :')

[fresh mulch]

my levels btw

yeah i waited until the last day how did you know

[strong moat]

good thing you can simply grind a little more lol

[fresh mulch]

the tired status not in question (it's gone):

[strong moat]

yeah lmao in FES doing it on last day might've been an issue

in portable not really. just go to the clock if you're out of resources

and in reload it's a complete non issue

[fresh mulch]

fr the only way i lose money in portable is if i try to buy any persona from the registry

that shit is too expensive, but the clock? its basically free

literally the second action of the first turn fyi

balanced

[fresh mulch]

🤔 i'll probably think about it

??????

question: did they completely scrap fes' ai?

there was a case of koromaru also not using agilao on an enemy weak to fire

(this is just because i forgor to change their tactic settings to direct command)

[fresh mulch]

remember: never have a boss that can spam party-wide brainwash TWICE CONSECUTIVELY

holy garbage game design

legit i worry over sometimes making a boss too hard, but then i look and there's barely playtested ones in the official games

[strong moat]

yes

I'm gonna be so real with you I have never had issues with that boss idk what to say 😭😭

[fresh mulch]

did you simply never get hit by charm

[strong moat]

I mean, I did

it was just also manageable idk

[fresh mulch]

the thing is that im always having at least one guy guarding to be able to discharm

but then the boss uses sexy dance AGAIN and undoes everything anyway

there should be some sort of interval holy

[strong moat]

I don't think they changed this boss in portable from fes but you can't even do the guard strat in fes so idk what to say. it just never stood out to me

like I think the garudynes were the scariest part and I believe I benched Junpei my first time with this fight

[fresh mulch]

how long ago was it

because there are many annoying bosses in many games i just simply forget about after some time

[strong moat]

my last FES run?

I think it was like 2 years ago but I had a prior run from 2021 where I also didn't have issues so idk lol

[fresh mulch]

FINALLY

i just had to get lucky distress crits

and be rakukaja'd 100% of the time and make sure to use media every turn

(i used cheat engine to speedup the game to x3 )

im done with this game for today i'll just go back to my mod

[fresh mulch]

might as well test this

hopefully i can just add a new entry

[lunar vector]

Lol, throwback to the one time I got genuinely pissy with someone on here.

Goddamn, there was a lot to backread in here this morning 😅

[ruby phoenix]

i think it's for skill cards since persona 2 doesn't have fusion?

[fresh mulch]

could be

[fresh mulch]

IT WORKS

now to hope that doesnt fuck up with other files by overwriting them or smth

[fresh mulch]

i'll think that i'll keep to a default pattern based on the hidden type but setting custom inheritances on a case-by-case basis

like idk, angel specifically not being able to inherit phys

okay good, you can see the background info during fusion

it'll allow me to cram all the hidden info there

👃

wait what is incubus' singular chained screw supposed to represent

is it another dick joke or smth

oh yeah talking about dicks

well that was a sentence

thinking of adding preta

https://tenor.com/view/search-yes-okey-magnifying-glass-gif-10889149

[strong moat]

you might be right actually... I never got too into the P2 ""fusion"" stuff bc you don't need new personas in IS

with P1 I think that's how it works though, the whole you can only inherit one skill and all

(it's been a sec since I last played)

[uncut depot]

fes answer giving goddamn everything dodge/evade passives for their weakness

[fresh mulch]

lets go gambling!

[strong moat]

it is a bit annoying on tactics bc they will always go for weakness but for the player you do have the option to just attack normally (as in don't aim for weakness)

[uncut depot]

youre not really fusing in the first place so no
you can give them a skill when summoning (this is how cards work in p2) though idr if there are restrictions on what skills you can give

they can also gain skills via mutation aka spamming fusion spells all the time which i think is per-persona

[fresh mulch]

exhilarating gameplay

reload's the answer also has the dodging stuff?

[strong moat]

idk

I just spammed phys on all of them

reload answer is a bit more interesting than base game in some areas but it is still the same, spam phys AOE for 95% of fights

[uncut depot]

persona rank aka "please waste your finite time on earth grinding (we have a ridiculous encounter rate to make it easier)" 😭

[fresh mulch]

yay p5r2 has the necessary animations for the enemies at least (ignoring the missing ones like persephone)

oh alraune also has enemy animations. thats half of the work done at least

(oh wait i still have to manually make animations for hecate)

[uncut depot]

if its a mod of really big scope sometimes i can see just game.modname otherwise i prefer game.category.modname

[fresh mulch]

i'll be having nightmares

[strong moat]

yeah normally I do not do the category ngl, I don't think a single mod of mine has category in the ID

[uncut depot]

me when my archon rebalance vision has maruki dropping aoe brainwash but akechi can get unshaken will so its fine B)

[strong moat]

ok ocean

at this point

you just need to go sit down and make that mod

LMAO

[fresh mulch]

tbf you have all the accessories you need by this point too

[uncut depot]

wdym my fes playthrough way 8yrs ago skob

[uncut depot]

understandable have a nice day

[uncut depot]

with my inability to shut the fuck up about it ive had the same thought

[strong moat]

it's weird bc it's been so long since I last played some persona games. I was genuinely thinking of replaying P5R again

I installed one of your mods I think but it wasn't the shut up siu mod because I don't install cringe mods

[uncut depot]

like i said though i want doubt to be done so idk that i want to like make a project post yet

[uncut depot]

i forgive you if its p5d crossdressing /lh

[strong moat]

I was going to stream the game to friends who wanted to watch but have never experienced P5R before so I figure I should try to keep the story experience as vanilla as possible

[fresh mulch]

can't you search for author in reloaded?

[strong moat]

I mainly installed mods to revert PS4 changes and then some costume mods

i think the biggest changes I made were to change the title screen music to Phantom (probably just for the first stream, maybe I'll randomize it) and I want to make a (maybe) quick mod to alternate the openings

[uncut depot]

(my name is on bmd emulator so technically everyone has one of my mods)

[strong moat]

I removed your name from my bmd emu to make that no longer true

jk I'm at work rn

[fresh mulch]

i only installed the jazz drink one by the looks of it

[strong moat]

I'm curious how conservative you guys would be with mods when it comes to streaming the game to friends for the first time

[fresh mulch]

i'd be pretty progressive /j

[strong moat]

my thought was I would start mostly stock with mainly just fixes, and then gradually add a few mods like RBT to make my experience playing a bit better

the opening stuff is the big exception bc I do want them to see bits of the original P5

[fresh mulch]

rcostum bonuts tweaks?

oh randomized battle theme

[strong moat]

crandomized battle themes

[fresh mulch]

rock and ball tortutre

[strong moat]

my plan otherwise is to make a save archive; it won't be totally stock seeing as I would be using mods at all, but I think they wouldn't interfere with save data anyways

[fresh mulch]

interesting default...

[strong moat]

Great vegetables.

[uncut depot]

great vegetables.

[fresh mulch]

greg tables

[uncut depot]

from context i assume these hypothetical people would be blind on p5r, which generally on a blind first go of a game i prefer borderline unmodded except for maybe accessibility stuff if you need it
like i might chuck outfits in metaphor when i finally get to it just because, but nothing that much changes the experience

(not that there are a lot of metaphor mods anyway lol)

...so i guess same as you lol

[strong moat]

yeah I'm aware P5R is a good unmodded experience but I'm trying to balance it with my own tastes (I would absolutely go more crazy with mods)

[uncut depot]

i have a morbillion mods installed but basically only boot the game to test my own at this point so ive lost track of what my personal loadout would look like lmao

[strong moat]

it's funny bc many of my current mods are PS4 reverts mods

I'm whatever on like the censorship changes but I reverted them anyways. and then the dimming effects look like shit imo soooo

[fresh mulch]

i think those were the mods i used on my first playthrough on pc? i went very modded because i'd already experienced vanilla p5 to death. both og and royal

[uncut depot]

i think the only rising sun i reverted was specifically the almighty icon
just because 1) i actually kinda like the changed versions for the other ones, 2) my brain just...does not register original almighty icon as a rising sun in the first place lmao

[strong moat]

the new almighty icon is so weird

yes it's been 3.5 years. and?

[fresh mulch]

i just dont understand why ryuji's design needed a rising sun on his shoes

like this is so random

[uncut depot]

i didnt even notice it was there before the change lol i dont generally spend much time looking at characters' shoes

[fresh mulch]

tbf i also only noticed later when i heard of it being removed

[uncut depot]

"two sides some coin" is the really funny one for me

like iirc it was like that on jp ps4, fixed for na ps4, but then because multiplat was semi-based on ch/kr build that specific texture did a regression

[strong moat]

yep lol

that's pretty much it

[uncut depot]

oh i guess i also reverted this one
idk i think the moving beams of light seemed more visually interesting to me than just a static glow across the screen

[fresh mulch]

what i dont understand is why they didnt just add an antiseizure option in the configs

this is the standard

[uncut depot]

the epilepsy changes dont even work because theyre halfassed

[strong moat]

yeah that's what gets me

I'm all for accessibility changes

just make them an option!

p4g64 has the same shit and it's so goofy

[uncut depot]

instead they just ruined the look of the game for everyone for no reason
lmao

[strong moat]

I should make a mod to revert their accessibility changes

bc then you have the option

😭

[fresh mulch]

i was going to say that they seem allergic to options in general, but then p4g has quite specific custom difficulty settings

oh i remembered of something very annoying i have to do

basically this? doesnt do anything

i thought it was going to affect charge and concentrate, but apparently not

i'll have to look at my skills again because i did some stuff with the assumption this was going to be a thing

[strong moat]

yea unfortunately the templates aren't 100% accurate or descriptive :(

maybe zark knows what that one does

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/autism-autism-creature-tbh-creature-yippee-explosion-gif-9334732813018635203

[fresh mulch]

i think we've determined that just does nothing

at least from the convos in #p5-modding-chat

[fresh mulch]

you have no idea how sad i am that i can't have my st scaling gun skills be affected by concentrate instead of charge

i dont remember if a gun skill with ma scaling can crit or not, but im pretty sure it couldnt last time i tried

btw if anyone is curious, the Ma scaling gun skills are: Holy Arrow (brainwash), Heaven's Bow(aoe brainwash), and Freikugel (debilitate + pierce)

they have 0% crit

if ma skills can crit, then maybe yabusame shot (100% crit) could become one

i could test this rn actually

[fresh mulch]

freikugel is the ultimate skill ann learns after getting out of the prison in the yaldy sequence btw

[strong moat]

I'm half curious why you wanted that in the first place bc it doesn't really make sense tbh 😔

[fresh mulch]

it does. you have to concentrate to get headshot duh

[strong moat]

maybe if you suck at aiming

[fresh mulch]

(honestly just to have some interesting overlap. i like 'crossovers' within mechanics)

like, st scaling phys being the overwhelming default, but you have some ma scaling ones as well that are rarer

i just find more interesting than everything being so set in stone

[fresh mulch]

yeah nah they cant

they have to be either phys, gun or almighty, and they need to be able to scale off of strength

if one of these conditions are not met, then it doesnt crit

[fresh mulch]

btw the Ma phys skills
Gay Gaea Rage (aoe rage +pierce)
Mist Rush (aoe Sukunda and Dizzy)
Purple Smoke (better multihit Mist Rush)
Flash Bomb (aoe dizzy/burn)
Agneyastra (aoe dizzy/burn)

they're all aoe, and i was wondering if it would be cool for those to be the only sp-costing phys skills

hmmm what did they mean by this...

[terse shadow]

[fresh mulch]

okay there is just too many small things i have to do which i'd say at best take a whole day by themselves

i think i'll stop worrying over not getting the demo out asap by now. it's too stressful

[strong moat]

yeah don't burn yourself out

it'll be done when it's done

you're doing a lot of the core work now anyways so that you can move faster later :)

[fresh mulch]

true...

later changes should at least be pretty straightforward since it'll be mostly focusing on stuff added after april. but for now it's a lot of stuff i dont have the clearest direction to deal with

[simple knoll]

SMH ocean forcing one of their mods onto everybody

[fresh mulch]

SP ADHESIVEEE

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/nuggetand-dog-dogs-doggy-dog-meme-gif-12398843577250203424

i lost btw

btw i wonder whats a good way i could balance hama/mudo while keeping kouha and eiha

one thing about kouha and eiha here is that they start at the 'medium' damage tier, so i could have hama and mudo be something like minuscule, but with their chances of instakill?

the point wouldnt be the damage, but to proc a down and maybe kill

hama and mudo are very all-or-nothing otherwise

the thing about balancing the instakills is that they are either too reliable that they are spammed, or not reliable enough and just ignored instead

[fresh mulch]

... and lost my mage's mask

[fresh mulch]

hm yeah i think that the skills could def do with a revisit

[strong moat]

which skills?

[fresh mulch]

honestly most. even if its just to tidy them up a bit

[strong moat]

yeah maybe

honestly I stopped looking at the skills after you started making more substantial changes lol so maybe I'm not the best person to ask

[fresh mulch]

take your time

finally found these files

(jonkle looks so feminine here)

🟥

uh is this used anywhere in the game?

considering its in system/story, maybe part of one of the recap things?

(i never read them)

[strong moat]

no I don't think shido is the siu directors dad

[fresh mulch]

you sure about that?

[strong moat]

I believe so? the image looks familiar

[strong moat]

well given the siu director is older...

[fresh mulch]

time travel duh

[strong moat]

what the hell sure

[grand cipher]

Unused.

Most likely used during the Shido arc

[fresh mulch]

guys am i being clear enough that you should not use network fusion?(actually, how does online work for modded? mine is just turned off)

(tbf i could probably easily disable network fusion by just toggling a flag off)

[fresh mulch]

best girl btw

https://tenor.com/view/smt-nocturne-hell-biker-shin-megami-tensei-smt3-skull-gif-27250699

(this is old stuff just though i'd show)

[grand cipher]

best part is bro just rides RIGHT into you, not stopping or anything and Hitoshura just stands there.

[fresh mulch]

who tf calls demifiend hitoshura

im gonna have all the fiends as advanced fusions with their unique moves

(and like smt5, you need the 'previous' one in the fusion recipe)

[fresh mulch]

(alice doesnt count)

??????????????

smt4 is so weird man

...

https://tenor.com/view/cat-annoyed-eyeing-cat-meme-cat-funny-gif-14867130448325066479

[mellow pecan]

The Hells Angels biker gang is also a demon in Megaten and no one brings it up... mostly because they arbitrarily changed it to "Hell Biker".

[fresh mulch]

i mean, the design is cool and hell's angels are very influential in general

oh yeah an optional recolor thing

why is there a bag in this model

good night homos

holy i'm so tired

[fresh mulch]

yaoi ig

[ruby phoenix]

and not specifying they're on girls? surprising

[sudden mist]

that must be a leftover from when there was an overworld model version

(the dec 2015 beta has it)

[fresh mulch]

|| ||

[fresh mulch]

wow thats cool

[ruby phoenix]

preta's cool

isn't it an smt exclusive demon having it in persona would be neat

[fresh mulch]

indeed it is

i think i could use more early game variety in general. p5 is kinda dry in personas

specially if i wanna have more diverse skills

[ruby phoenix]

crits are only determined based on stat used, not element. strength skills can crit, magic skills can't. this goes for every element

[fresh mulch]

no. fire skill with strength scaling doesnt crit

its only for phys/gun/almighty

[ruby phoenix]

oh i was like 90% sure strength based magic skills could crit

pretty sure that's a thing in other megatens

[fresh mulch]

im not sure the smt5's dracostrike skills crit

[ruby phoenix]

ohhh kinda like smtv that's awesome. probably would actually use mudo and hama in that case i don't like the instakills in games with eiha and kouha

[grand cipher]

me! (and my mod)

[ruby phoenix]

that's just neo cadenza but for one person. truly this means fem orpheus is an even better girl. she is very pretty waow...

[fresh mulch]

neo cadenza is getting nerfed lol

[ruby phoenix]

damn... you nerfed my pretty lesbian girlfriend... (not kotone specifically fem orpheus)

[fresh mulch]

i nerfed my pretty bisexual girlfriend (yes kotone)

[ruby phoenix]

just like. not as good as in 5. but still the damage PLUS chance of instakill thing. i really loved that change in that game so it'd be neat to have it here too

[grand cipher]

by how much?

[fresh mulch]

well in that case you would be doing a tradeoff of good damage vs bad damage with ik chance. but both still trigger 1 more so even if it doesnt proc, hama/mudo still help

[fresh mulch]

as much as it needs to stay in line with other also nerfed unique skills

[ruby phoenix]

yeah that's a better tradeoff than the all or nothing thing that's usually done

[fresh mulch]

btw fun fact: here, akechi's hereward is weak to bless, but immune to expel (bless instakill)

just wanted to share (loki is weak to expel)

[ruby phoenix]

neat

[fresh mulch]

||this reminded me that maybe i should finish my fic. maybe when i take a break again||

[ruby phoenix]

||trans girls' dicks involved??? i'm interested <- transfem and sapphic||

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-car-grey-cat-grey-white-cat-gray-cat-gif-7130137244570406549

[fresh mulch]

||good to know that doesnt make me a chaser||

(Maybe i should just go to sleep)

[uncut depot]

i wish i were a girl with a dick

who said that

[fresh mulch]

Thatd be pogchamp probably

(Why am im so sleep deprived)

[uncut depot]

oh yeah i forgor i was gonna comment on this

my main thought is that if youre going for a low-damage knockdown (in vanilla) then its possibly because you want to negotiate, but if you ik a demon you cant negotiate it into your party. so those are conflicting purposes
ofc i know you also want negotiation to not be a gimme, and chance of successful negotation to be inversely proportional to remaining health, i just thought it was worth pointing out

[fresh mulch]

||i think it would be cool if i had it? Idk. It doesnt really feel necessary ig? and anyway, i prefer to be on the other end of tha—||

[fresh mulch]

Trust me, eiha and kouha will be far from oneshotting anything

The average enemy hp is quite high

[uncut depot]

yeah i think itd be shit in vanilla game but kinda makes sense with the negotiation changes and generally making enemies less squishy

[fresh mulch]

The knockdown is more as an insurance policy in that your action economy is not completely wasted, while still not giving that much in return compared to just using the damaging skill

[uncut depot]

yea

[fresh mulch]

Oh right i have to think if i should allow them to miss

It does end up making the ik odds worse if thr skills can miss, but im unsure of undodgeable non-almighty skills

[uncut depot]

other thought: nothing actually stops you from using hama/mudo on enemies that arent weak to them, itd be suboptimal but if someone just really feels like gambling :v
im psure in vanilla the ik chance goes up if the target is weak to that element? im not sure how that affects things

[fresh mulch]

IK is affected by bless/curse affinity yes

The tiny damage wouldnt do very much on neutral hits, so this change mostly only affects weakness to curse/bless

[simple knoll]

lmao i see the world agrees

[ruby phoenix]

protagonist sumi, akage, and rei should kiss. the p5 femc lesbian throuple

[fresh mulch]

Morning homosexs

[terse shadow]

ig i'm no longer homosexual... i'm just homosex... an activity...

[rare oriole]

yosuke already calls yu their "*Partner ✨ *", seems pretty clear cut

[ruby phoenix]

their??? enby yosuke???

[fresh mulch]

Love how they went with the gayest possible thing for him to call yu, aside from straightup saying 'boyfriend'

[jagged kraken]

Is yosuke a top or a

[fresh mulch]

(Cmon thats obvious. Bottom)

[fresh mulch]

Hey its not so bad. I love homosex

[ruby phoenix]

y'know what throw kotone in there too. the femc lesbian quadrouple

[fresh mulch]

man i love p3 music but funnily enough i cant find many places they would fit here

i guess too much singing? idk

[ruby phoenix]

there's like five battle themes to use from p3 for different palaces at least? idk what other music fits

[fresh mulch]

well ig master of tartarus could easily fit okumura's minibosses

https://youtu.be/9YfiLqVJ3-c

idk it kinda fits sweatshop

[ruby phoenix]

yea i agree

should find a way to put in danger zone too. because kotone better than makoto

[fresh mulch]

(although i would be also changing sweatshop itself so idk :p)

[fresh mulch]

this sounds like a p4 song

[ruby phoenix]

and?

[fresh mulch]

lol

[fresh mulch]

and it sounds like a p4 song. its good :p

[terse shadow]

idk whether to or . or :rise_true: or :adachiwhat:

butch girlkisser

[Reply to:](#1440097821834612838 message) lol

[fresh mulch]

just realized its a lot like the fog

[fresh mulch]

didnt load

[ruby phoenix]

rise_true and adachiwhat don't actually exist

[fresh mulch]

oh lmao

[fresh mulch]

btw matador's red capote in this mod increases speed of one ally and makes enemies aggro to them (taunting aura's effect) (just thought i'd share idk)

[ruby phoenix]

hire a ren va soundalike to say "i challenge you to a duel!" as a unique voice clip for that move

[fresh mulch]

oh there is another one that would be a really good idea actually: smt5 vengeance

in fact i might play inbetween breaks

it just adds a lot mechanicswise that i could take some inspiration from

[ruby phoenix]

imagine if you could make buffs and debuffs work like in smt in this mod. probably too difficult to be feasible but imagine

[fresh mulch]

if only

persona simplified a bit too much there imo

[ruby phoenix]

i will never understand why smt5 switched to persona style buffs and debuffs

[fresh mulch]

well you can have a max of 2 stacks at least right?

[ruby phoenix]

yea but they go away after three turns like in persona instead of being permanent untill dekaja/dekunda like smt usually has

[fresh mulch]

i do like that you have to keep on top of them instead of being fire-and-forget

but 3 turns is nothing

4 would be way more balanced

https://megatenwiki.com/wiki/Skills_in_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V:_Vengeance

honestly i should probably include most here

smt5 has some of the best skill variety alongside 4

someone forgor to change something to maragibarion

[ruby phoenix]

no there are just two maragidynes /j

but for real yea include the barions they're cool

[fresh mulch]

eiha, kouha, guns, nuke, and negotiation... is p5 a p1 sequel?

something interesting about eiha and kouha is that in p1 they used to deal damage over time, kind of like a poison

🤔 what if i keep somewhat close to the spirit of the original, and have both of them inflict ailments? eiha could inflict hunger(damage debuff) and kouha could inflict dizzy(accuracy debuff with universal tech)? idk i have to think on this

(in general it feels hard to justify using eiha and kouha in general if we are not striking weaknesses, because they have no interesting secondary effect unlike the other elements)

[ruby phoenix]

could try to go full tactica and make every magic element inflict ailments

(aside from almighty)

[fresh mulch]

wind kinda is pretty underwhelming...

[ruby phoenix]

unfortunately tactica's wind ailment would make no sense here (it blows away the enemy elsewhere)

[ruby phoenix]

also dizzy is actually the ailment associated with kouha skills in tactica

eiha's is despair though not hunger

[fresh mulch]

(despair here would be a bit much :p)

[ruby phoenix]

fair

idk maybe it could be interesting if it had a REALLY low chance to work though

[fresh mulch]

that'd just be mudo with extra steps

agi - med burn
bufu - med freeze
zio - med shock
garu - med confuse
psi - low forget/sleep/brainwash
frei - low burn/shock/freeze
kouha - med dizzy
hama - low expel
hamaon - med expel
eiha - med hunger
mudo - low death
mudoon - med death
megido - low fear/despair(probably)

if i can get despair to only sap SP (so no stun and not selfdie), then megido could have both fear and despair? (like, trust me, almighty is really underwhelming when enemies have a shitton of HP)
one thing to keep in mind is that, for now, i'm specifically adding to the code of boss battles a thing that stops despair relatively early, allowing it to stun and sap some SP, but not reach a point that it completely annihilates bosses

(persona games in general seem to be too afraid of making almighty too good so they make that shit way too expensive while not dealing that much damage at the end of the day. like, your whole thing is the 1more and downing systems, and almighty doesnt interact with it)

[ruby phoenix]

alternatively the megido line could have no ailment but cost LESS than other element equivalents to play more into it being elementless that might be interesting

[fresh mulch]

yeah but i kinda like the concept of the almighty attack making enemies quiver in their boots now

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-dog-white-dog-scared-meme-gif-23585947

(btw freeze for frei is because nuclear winter)

still low so you generally would want to use the elemental skills to setup the technical

but it does more on neutral now at least

(elemental skills having to compete with crits is so rough)

[fresh mulch]

... wait

what if i brought these back as almighty skills?

and they would be the cheap variety

[uncut depot]

i assume the psi and frei ones are low so that theyre not absurdly spammable (since they tech the ailments they inflict)

[fresh mulch]

yup

its there as an extra, not the main function

[ruby phoenix]

that's genius

do it

[fresh mulch]

so neutral hits can do something sometimes

[fresh mulch]

gryndr

[ruby phoenix]

that's the severe damage version

not grybarion. gryndr

[fresh mulch]

it inflicts the gay status

[ruby phoenix]

the phantom thieves are all always suffering from that status

[fresh mulch]

'suffering'

[ruby phoenix]

(including bi people as gay

[ruby phoenix]

true. they're THRIVING with that status

[fresh mulch]

almost

[ruby phoenix]

what

[fresh mulch]

almost bi erasure (im joking)

[fresh mulch]

would they be worth it if they cost sp tho 🤔

maybe hp cost? idk

FINALLY FOUND THESE FECKS

why did they make one of the quests require killing multiple of really rare enemies 😭

i only got 1 from that...

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-dog-traumatized-gif-10801559770686219962

[ruby phoenix]

what if. zan as strength-based hp-based almighty AND gry as magic-based sp-based almighty or something like that idk

[fresh mulch]

getting zamn would be poggers

funnily enough it can fit psy, wind, and almighty

[ruby phoenix]

just have psy zan wind zan and almighty zan separately and they have the same name /j

[fresh mulch]

while we are at it might as well bring back magna and aqua /||h||j

[ruby phoenix]

magna and aqua ARE both awesome too

i wonder if aqua as strength-based ice might make sense

[fresh mulch]

wouldnt it make more sense as the opposite?

[ruby phoenix]

true. either way ice but different

magna could also be alternate elec because then there's fire water earth and wind for the "main" elements. or alternatively magna could be magic-based phys skills

[fresh mulch]

honestly i think smt's handling of earth as zio is weird af and fire or phys in general makes more sense

gay strike

[ruby phoenix]

rename it to lesbian strike in this mod

as in. include a version of it in this mod but rename it to lesbian strike

[fresh mulch]

can mona learn it

[ruby phoenix]

sure. the cat is sapphic

the cat is sapphic and transfem

or wait is morgana striking the lesbians

[fresh mulch]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/588061

[ruby phoenix]

that mod is so awesome

[ruby phoenix]

what did you mean here also

[fresh mulch]

for example, erthys uses zio

[ruby phoenix]

oh yeah that that is kinda weird yea

though i mean zio is considered the opposite of garu and the opposite of wind is usually earth in the classical elements so it kinda makes sense? a little less sense in mainline smt because of wind not being there though

[fresh mulch]

i think its because of something something magnetic fields and earth

https://tenor.com/view/yurihimejoshi-himejoshi-yuri-yuruyuri-gamer-girl-gif-13627995627539387578

[ruby phoenix]

only may? i want a 100% chance of yuri

[fresh mulch]

june too

[ruby phoenix]

could be neat to try and have strength and magic based skills for every element but there's only so many elements not already in 5 to implement and it might take some work to come up with other ideas

[fresh mulch]

i think asymmetry works best

man, yukari's og va is so good

[ruby phoenix]

koromaru is the best party member in the series

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

koromaru in p3 dancing

got persona fusiond with the kid

[ruby phoenix]

p3d is the worst persona game for this transgression and nothing else

[fresh mulch]

it has the best music tho

[ruby phoenix]

fair

this mod and other she/her protagonist mods... she/her morgana... female akechi... it's only a matter of time before every persona 5 character is forcefemmed...

[fresh mulch]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/455261

[ruby phoenix]

that's cool but they'd still be he/him in dialogue wouldn't they

[fresh mulch]

also, while the p5d girls completely slay, they still lose to p3 girls unfortunately. they are just on another level

[fresh mulch]

he/him lesbians duh

[ruby phoenix]

also the lack of kotone but thankfully the modding community has fixed that at least

[ruby phoenix]

true...

[fresh mulch]

thinking about it can you really say that rei is forcefemmed ren?

you know me too well steam

[ruby phoenix]

also not just the party. EVERY persona 5 character. the background character who kinda looks like adachi is a girl now-

[fresh mulch]

tag: 404 men not found

hmm i'll probably be overhauling this too

[ruby phoenix]

judgement resists almighty?? that's neat

what trait do the 2 (two) world personas have

[fresh mulch]

probably nothing

[ruby phoenix]

they're weak to everything including almighty to balance them /j

[fresh mulch]

/srs

[ruby phoenix]

are you just applying the resistances manually for every single persona or is there something more

[fresh mulch]

i'll have to manually do that anyway but they basically follow this chart

[ruby phoenix]

also hmmm what if the elemental inheritance was based on arcana too possibly a stupid idea but could be interesting maybe

[fresh mulch]

inheritance i decided that will be 'there is a default and some personas will have more unique inheritances', but because of the ailment stuff i'll keep the persona's 'type'

so like, arsene is still a curse persona, but he can't inherit ice for example (unlike the other curse personas)

[fresh mulch]

hmm ive drafted some ideas but i think i'll sit on them for now before showing

[fresh mulch]

YURI

(no context yuri)

[ruby phoenix]

as kotone yeah is replaced with offering to sell one for 1000 yen. hustle girlie

[fresh mulch]

based

one thing i kinda like about the p3 dormitory is how your party members actually tell you stuff about their personas and fighting abilities

i think it subtly teaches just enough for new players that might be still confused at least

they kinda just dropped them talking about their personas in 4 and 5, which is kinda weird in general

the social life feels more divorced from the 'shadow world' aspects

p4 and 5 only seem to mention the special powers when its part of the plot

[ruby phoenix]

a semi related thing related to tying the rpg and social sim stuff together i like about p3 is how its personas' movesets tend to tie into the character's personality somewhat well. which p4 does less and p5 doesn't really do at all mostly

[strong moat]

yea there's an inherent and intentional disconnect between the real world and the shadow world in p4/5 whereas I think they're a bit more integrated together in P3 and they're blatantly in the same world in P1/2

one of the things I like about p3 though are those affinities though; I like that Junpei's weakness is wind (Yukari) and Akihiko's weakness is ice (Mitsuru)

the other weaknesses don't mean as much but still

p4 has a single instance of unique weakness in the party members (Teddie, despite using ice, is weak to elec)

[fresh mulch]

funny, its kinda because of p3 that i associate fire with having weakness to wind and elec having weakness to ice, while that is not the really the default (well, ice demons are often weak to elec if they are water-themed at least)

[strong moat]

the opposite typing is a little bit more blatant in p4 and then extremely blatant in P5 with party members lol

[fresh mulch]

uh anywhere that lists every element in the entire smt franchise?

found it

unfortunately only the wikia one is complete

??????? 😭

[grand cipher]

live action?

[ruby phoenix]

holy shit he got real

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-cat-cat-on-skateboard-funny-cat-gif-3092305321523848077

????

>25% increase in base power
>x4 increase in cost

meanwhile, phys skills:

which also have a crit chance so they are much better in neutral than the elemental ones

https://tenor.com/view/discord-meme-cook-gif-1177116184918006692

oh and of course magic have damage boost cap too

[ruby phoenix]

hmm speaking of crits i wonder if it could be possible to implement the p5x crit system where magic can crit but it doesn't knock down enemies it just increases damage dealt

[fresh mulch]

has to be exe editing, but should be possible

sumi's ability has a chance for allies to not be downed, which could be a good starting point

[uncut depot]

i just abused savestates when i did these kinds of quests in fes 😭

[fresh mulch]

save state mod when

[uncut depot]

youre welcome uwu

[fresh mulch]

oh now i see why multihits are so broken

[ruby phoenix]

ty big fan of sapphic mona

[fresh mulch]

proof of concept of what we were talking about before

[ruby phoenix]

yeah i like that i like that

though why does ryuji learn aqua as a result of. sojiro's social link???

[fresh mulch]

bean water duh (this is mostly placeholder)

(also ryuji will have optional aqua just because pirate)

it will not be that good but flavor wins here

[ruby phoenix]

yeah that makes sense

[fresh mulch]

i'll maybe have sojiro's first rank give something healing related so its useful right out of the gate

[ruby phoenix]

so wait do all social links give multiple skills to different party members or something. interesting

[fresh mulch]

one per rank to one party member

[ruby phoenix]

for. for EVERY rank in EVERY social link???

[fresh mulch]

also, books and dvds give 1 skill per chapter, and maybe cinema movies will have some special skills in them? still dont know about that one

[fresh mulch]

yeah

slinks progress slower here too

so it should not be too overwhelming

having these extra kinda-not-super-necessary skills are kinda nice for padding here. i was kind of running out of what i could give

[ruby phoenix]

will maxing everyone still be possible (without always rank up obv)

[fresh mulch]

yes

[ruby phoenix]

will it require ng+ or can you lock the fuck in and do it on new game

[fresh mulch]

it wouldnt be very tight, and you have more opportunities for social stat grind and slink grind (plus, the expensive gifts can save a lot of time)

many ranks will be time gated tho, and i'll be often having intermediary events you need to watch first before the next rank

btw at saturdays, you have 3 time periods (afternoon, late afternoon, and evening), and sundays you have 4 (including morning)

[ruby phoenix]

neat

why do saturdays get two afternoons but not weekdays though

[fresh mulch]

school is morning period only at saturdays

(at least here)

[ruby phoenix]

what happens if you do a rank before the party member whose skill you get from it joins

i.e. say a social link rank gives yusuke a skill but you're still in kamoshida's palace

[fresh mulch]

well, that wouldnt happen without cheats

i wouldnt have an slink that can be done before the party member joins give skills to the missing party member

[ruby phoenix]

fair enough

at least not if you don't fuck up but then that's a bug not a game design question

[fresh mulch]

remember that there is a lot of timegating for ranks here, so even when we get to haru there will be many ranks you couldnt do before her

[ruby phoenix]

does every rank include the ones that start from the story

[fresh mulch]

the confidants of the pts only give skills to that pt (early haru ranks before she joins give skills to other party members, same with sumi. akechi's give skills to joker's first persona)

[fresh mulch]

from rank 1 to 10

( i would recommend watching some of that video in the main post)

(....the 4 hour-long one)

[ruby phoenix]

this begs the question of which idea are you going with for magna if any

[fresh mulch]

simply because i dont want stuff like mandrake to use a fire skill (and to give skull a str based elec skill), i gave magna to elec (which is still weird but wind would be worse)

the disadvantage of magna is that it doesnt shock

[ruby phoenix]

cool

what's ravi from

[fresh mulch]

funfact: Ravi is 'Sun' in Hindi and is one of the names of a sun deity in Hinduism (usually called Surya)

also, Raviola sounds like pasta so thats funny

[ruby phoenix]

neat

[ruby phoenix]

do also think magic based phys would've also been an interesting angle though i mean that doesn't have to be magna to exist

[fresh mulch]

magna would make it too standardized

i have shared mag phys before here

[ruby phoenix]

fair enough

[terse shadow]

butch girlkisser

[Reply to:](#1440097821834612838 message) btw the Ma phys skills
Gay Gaea Rage (aoe rage +pierce)
Mist Rush (aoe Sukunda and Dizzy)
Purple...

butch girlkisser

btw the Ma phys skills
Gay Gaea Rage (aoe rage +pierce)
Mist Rush (aoe Sukunda and Dizzy)
Purple Smoke (better multihit Mist Rush)
Flash Bomb (aoe dizzy/burn)
Agneyastra (aoe dizzy/burn)

Jump

[Go to message!](#1440097821834612838 message)

[ruby phoenix]

gay rage should also exist as a separate skill and it's the upgrade

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/demi-fiend-smt-truth-nuke-smt-v-shin-megami-tensei-gif-13573333962341668616

[ruby phoenix]

nocturne take your time with female demi-fiend when /j

[fresh mulch]

tbf demifiend already looks kinda butchy

congrats on the top surgery

you kid but i do wanna make some smt mods too

nocturne has an interesting battle system at least

something interesting about phys skills is that i also already have kind of implemented the old phys types from other megatens
basically, they are fake, not-named 'types' divided within the Phys skills: Bash (Lunge, Berserker God...), Strike (Sledgehammer, Primal Force...), Arts(Sonic Punch, God's Hand...), Kick(Acrobat Kick and Somersault.), Blast(Flash Bomb, Agneyastra...), Sword(Brave Blade, Andalucia...), Claw(Axel Claw, Binding Claw...), and Bite(Double Fangs, Eat Whole...)
for Gun skills, its divided into: Needle(Stun Needle, Holy Arrow, Grand Tack...), Gun(One-Shot Kill, Freikugel...), Thrust(Gungnir, Javelin Rain, Vile Assault...), and Blast again(Blast Arrow, Cannon Bomb...)

this is mostly an organization thing tbh

the game doesnt reference any of these names too

i could maybe have some whip-themed phys skills?

aoe phys for our queen ann

(she has the second highest str stat )

holy shit

reload gave mitsuru phys skills

deadass why is this design pure mag?????

||lets be honest, its because girl = mag 🫠 ||

chie is their rectification for this grave error

[fresh mulch]

(idk im just curious)

[grand cipher]

by the myriad truths

[fresh mulch]

i think i settled for
fire: Ravi (Str), Agi (Mag)
ice: Bufu (Str), Aqua (Mag)
elec: Magna (Str), Zio (Mag)
wind: Garu (Mag)
psy: Psi (Mag)
nuke: Frei (Str), Gry (Mag)
bless: Kouha and Hama (Mag)
curse: Eiha and Mudo (Mag, hp-costing)
almighty: Zan and Megido (Mag)

the asymmetry is intentional

[strong moat]

this is probably why so many people think that making phys skills cost SP would help fix balance

[strong moat]

need more context for this question haha

[fresh mulch]

vibes

[strong moat]

it depends!!

[fresh mulch]

i like the sound of unga bunga when using phys

[strong moat]

in P5R I actually prefer magic over phys at least just bc it is very satisfying with the SFX and effects, but phys feels more useful

[fresh mulch]

smt5 has the most satisfying mag tho

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/3/3f/Bufu_P3R.gif

holy this looks good

bruh discord embed wont play wikia gifs

surely this is not the reason...

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-gif-549301440228520168

[uncut depot]

aigis

[fresh mulch]

robot

[uncut depot]

if that were the only reason then sophie would also be phys

[fresh mulch]

okay but thats an ai

[edgy field]

For all intents and purposes she's just a girl.

[fresh mulch]

(and also im talking of something from decades ago)

[edgy field]

I mean it's her entire character arc, and sheds most of her robot features at the end. Like I get your point but c'mon. Most likely it's just to do with how they design the parties for each game.

[fresh mulch]

funny how yukari basically became a pierce user for me. i legit use her bow more than garula

[fresh mulch]

(you are taking that too seriously)

[edgy field]

I don't really care.

[fresh mulch]

okay i'll just clear this up rn before yall bad faith anymore
1 - im talking of an early 2000s design decision. in p4, which is not too long after, we even get chie
2 - mitsuru's persona has swords
3 - even reload agrees that she should have some sword skills
4 - im not making a commentary on a fictional characters' humanity geez

and it is indeed true that more often than not in jrpgs, girl characters get mag and boys get phys. shocker

moving on from this

this is basically what i have in mind for curse/bless (the specific level up numbers are just placeholders)

mamudoon should end up being the most cost-effective way to end battles that dont resist curse

the upside: you can down with these skills in case you miss the IK chance
the downside: now opponents can actually dodge them (which can be an upside if you are on the other end of that)

so mathematically speaking, the odds are slightly worse for IK funnily enough. but they have more utility

unfortunately i cant make non-bless skills inflict expel (bless ik), but any other skill that applies unconscious inflicts death (curse ik) by default

btw bosses probably might not be able to be inflicted with the effects of kouha and eiha due to the way 'immunity to instakill' is handled

[fresh mulch]

obligatory yuri

[grand cipher]

toaster

[fresh mulch]

androids in 2126 looking back at toaster jokes and cringing (it was a different time)

oh yeah im struggling thinking on what could be a good early nuke persona to add (as long as the model exists in p5r2...)

if anyone has suggestions?

[fresh mulch]

wait what

where is the bot and why is this showing if i dont have nitro

[terse shadow]

[fresh mulch]

huh didnt work. tf happened

[mellow pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-yoshitsune-gif-19881318

[terse shadow]

[fresh mulch]

i've been staring at nothing for quite some time now

anyway its late and i should sleep soonish

i was thinking that maybe i should just make the gb page sooner than later

it'll take a while anyway for the demo

and maybe announcing sooner could help me get more feedback

[fresh mulch]

yeah i'll be doing that tomorrow

night homos

[uncut depot]

gn

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-cat-cat-sleep-meme-cat-tired-gif-3616860129181414308

[fresh mulch]

Lmao yosuke won

||... im just trying to sleep but my body is hating me a lot rn ||

[grand cipher]

yosuke makes the most sense.

kanji I can see why he got votes, but the game does explain him.
Shinji, idk why the one vote

[fresh mulch]

Akihiko and Shinji had quite the thing going on

[grand cipher]

think they're the only two that say shortened versions of their names.
Besides Yuka tan.

Aki and Shinji.

Did he see that Shinji??

[fresh mulch]

Honestly the only yaoi ship in persona i see (i mean i get shuake but does nothing for me. Im hard to please with yaoi in general)

[grand cipher]

but you DO like yaoi

[fresh mulch]

Not really lol

I prefer over het tho

[grand cipher]

idk what het is and I don't wanna know

[fresh mulch]

Also for obvious reasons, junpei is not in the poll

[uncut depot]

literally just m/f lmao

[fresh mulch]

Hetero

Str*ight people

[grand cipher]

o

[fresh mulch]

Sorry for not censoring this earlier

[grand cipher]

.....why is ken in the poll.

also ryuji is really only due to that one scene I'd say that really sells it

[fresh mulch]

Idk but bi ken would be poggers

(Also, its funny to call yosuke gay but he'd def by bisexual. His hetero displays dont seem really performative imo? Same with ryuji)

(Tbf everyone in p4 is just bisexual)

[grand cipher]

ryuji I feel has a complex relationship with ren.

there are scenes you see he REALLY cares for him, strikers included

just not romance

[uncut depot]

i mean historically gay hasnt always meant only same gender attraction

[fresh mulch]

Man i remember that weird unskippable gex scene with ryuji on tactica. Such a weird way to show 'brotherhood'

[grand cipher]

im not gonna look that up. siu will be on me

[uncut depot]

jonkler wedding fantasy bit but better

[fresh mulch]

True but a word for gay men unfortunately hasnt yet caught on so just clarifying

[fresh mulch]

Exactly. Its amazing how well his leg recovered to be able to kneel like he did

[uncut depot]

snrk

[lunar vector]

See, Ryuji's displays don't seem performative to me, but Yosuke's extreeemely do.

[lunar vector]

(also, this post is so beautiful and perfect to me, I want to print it out and frame it)

[grand cipher]

I mean you can, just pin it.

[lunar vector]

...damn, you're right, I do have that power...

I'll only pin stuff in here with GK's blessing though, lol.

[grand cipher]

also I was fucking around with the p4 models, and I managed to create Enraged Ghost Teddie.

[ruby phoenix]

mona has hama... just like yukiko... and the girl he loves has mudo... just like chie..

[ruby phoenix]

wrong ken is a transbian egg

[ruby phoenix]

i agree other than yukiko. i think she's specifically a lesbian and the shukiko route is just entirely comphet

[fresh mulch]

TRUE

Morning gays

[fresh mulch]

I mean, when he tries to appear not homo sure. But his interest in girls seems genuine

[fresh mulch]

gamebanana users be normal challenge

there is a reason i hate otakus 🙃

yeah nah i aint dealing with trash

[ruby phoenix]

you should point people to the thread if you haven't already so good faith users can comment

[fresh mulch]

(if you mean the screenshot then its the sae romance request thread )

[ruby phoenix]

oh. that makes even less sense then

what is woke about a ship that is het and also most woke people would disapprove of

[fresh mulch]

they are replying to someone else :p

[ruby phoenix]

ohhh that makes more sense

[fresh mulch]

the thing is the literal nazi dogwhistle in 'dei'

[ruby phoenix]

yeahhh

dei is an employment tactic and is a good thing in that context. dei literally has absolutely nothing to do with anything except employment usually when it's used otherwise it's for. y'know. that

[fresh mulch]

considering the stuff that gb commenters can get away with, im not surprised it festered this type of community

[ruby phoenix]

the fact that there's a deltarune mod that is STILL UP and has been for years that does nothing but erase kris being non binary i'm not entirely surprised

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/elgatitolover-cat-kitty-elgatito-explosion-gif-8874415577877859154

i'll def not be putting my discord link in the mod page if i make one

bruh why cant i have a draft

there's only the publish option

[uncut depot]

just keep private until page is ready

[fresh mulch]

cant mods see those tho?

[ruby phoenix]

so?

[uncut depot]

who cares, its not like you have anything rulebreaking in there

[ruby phoenix]

i don't think mods particularly care if you have a half finished page they know it's not done so that's why it's hidden

besides idk why they'd check because it's hidden

[fresh mulch]

i have anxiety

[ruby phoenix]

fair.

same

[fresh mulch]

right i have to remove the cutscene

[uncut depot]

initially posting the page as private is pmuch expected for reloaded mods anyway since the page needs to exist for you to add it to update metadata

[fresh mulch]

that makes sense

[ruby phoenix]

you have to remove rei affectionately calling herself the d slur unfortunately. tragic loss

[fresh mulch]

🤔 (if only i could make it illegal to install the mod )

[fresh mulch]

you joke, but just to be safe i have fecking kamoshida not calling you the d slur

i substituted with carpet muncher because its funny

[ruby phoenix]

release the d[natural ish dam but with a y] cut-

[uncut depot]

i have it in my profile to make all my mods default to cc-by-nc-sa

[fresh mulch]

indeed, those are letters

[fresh mulch]

i may unironically do that tbh. maybe in my server

||also sae romance cut—||

[fresh mulch]

"im a d*ngus. or i would be if i could say it "

[uncut depot]

default license is cc-by-nc-nd which sucks because people just leave it on that without thinking and then they disappear and you cant fix the mod without breaking license

[ruby phoenix]

awesome

rei reclaiming it too would be awesome she would i think

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah i saw the default license its so stupid

???????

( i circled on mouse give me a break there)

[uncut depot]

this happened with gay jonkler, we eventually got permission but it was le pain

[fresh mulch]

and the worst part is this being the default for a fecking modding site!!!

[ruby phoenix]

yea like do you know what mods are

[fresh mulch]

mods, the famously nonderivative works that are def not build upon the work of other modders

[ruby phoenix]

honestly the do whatever the fuck you want license should be the default

[uncut depot]

sa is better since it just requires that derivatives have same license terms

[fresh mulch]

i think most people that leave to default expect the license to be reasonable

[ruby phoenix]

oh neat that works well too

speaking of your work she/her morgana should be part of this mod for extra yuri

[fresh mulch]

honestly if i made ann a lesbian instead of bi i might have, just because otherwise mona's constant simping voicelines wouldve been extra creepy

i like boy mona tho. i think it creates a more interesting dynamic with rei at least

[uncut depot]

cc (creative commons)
by (include attribution to original creator)
nc (non-commercial, expected of fanworks)
sa (share alike, ie. derivatives have same license. this prevents creators of those derivatives from eg. making their own mods nd instead)

[ruby phoenix]

speaking of the constant simping i think it should be toned down but not removed

i actually kinda like it somewhat but it's a bit much in canon

[fresh mulch]

i could just delete some voicelines that repeat too often

the 'im in love all over again' goes for way too long and is way too common. i think this can be axed

(also the mona simping voicelines triggering during the shadow ann fight is.... )

[ruby phoenix]

i really like how it ties into the gameplay also. ann burns enemies > morgana's wind attacks fan the flames for a technical is really neat. like the only instance of something like that in p5 though

[fresh mulch]

he is way more normal in my story changes at least

i'd say he's slightly more mature while still behaving like a kid roleplaying being more mature than he is

(he calls rei 'madam' 💀 )

[ruby phoenix]

i just realised rei's name rhymes with gay. very fitting 10/10

[uncut depot]

morganas character writing just has an overused joke problem in general
wagahai wa neko ja nee becomes out of place after okumura arc (and is already beaten to death before then) and yet it persists all the way into og ending and every spinoff

[fresh mulch]

gay rei ray beam

[fresh mulch]

he's a hawaiian cat obviously

[ruby phoenix]

yeahhhh i love morgana but they could've written him much better

[fresh mulch]

yeah he should've simped for ryuji instead smh my head

[uncut depot]

google...

[sudden mist]

deepl...

[uncut depot]

(its literally just "im not a cat", the joke is that its an inversion of わがはいは猫である (i am a cat) which is a well-known japanese childrens book)

[ruby phoenix]

or ren. shumona will be real-

[ruby phoenix]

oh yeah that happened. if i had a nickel for every time an anthro animal mascot turned into a twink human in a persona game-

[uncut depot]

i remember messing with the "we used to sleep together" event for she/her morg and somehow its both funnier and more cursed when its het lmao

[fresh mulch]

and they had at least one very homoerotic scene

im still mad you cant take teddie right then and there and sojima cockblocks you smh my head

[ruby phoenix]

so true. narukuma my beloved

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-question-innuendo-inappropriate-uh-phrasing-gif-12184026326224661001

[uncut depot]

take it up with atlus smh my head

[fresh mulch]

uh should i have this? i mean, the whole shadow ann stuff...

[ruby phoenix]

probably

[fresh mulch]

also skimpy attire because rei should not be flashing her girl pecs everywhere

[ruby phoenix]

i think that's meant to be the joke of the scene

[fresh mulch]

true...

[uncut depot]

i mean he fails the harkness test, but not because of the cat thing its because psychologically he seems to be a dumbass middle schooler
whereas a normal cat doesnt pass because its a cat and therefore not sapient period...but also considering koromaru im a lil unsure what baseline animal intelligence actually is in persona universe

[fresh mulch]

i have no idea what category this goes in, because this mod is basically its own game tbf. if only i could select multiple categories...

[fresh mulch]

ngl im not a fan of koromaru being so sentient

that shit's not a dog fam

[ruby phoenix]

so you're saying it would be fine for him to date a hypothetical human middle schooler who is in the phantom thieves or has otherwise entered the metaverse. slightly odd but sure

[uncut depot]

im not proud to admit this but ive thought about this before 😭

[ruby phoenix]

at the very least i think him dating a regular cat would be weirder than that??? i think???

[fresh mulch]

mona truly has no options

[fresh mulch]

thinking about it, what about koromaru? they are both weirdly sentient animals

[ruby phoenix]

technically he passes the harkness test for aigis and no one else

[uncut depot]

i dont even wanna think about, er, "how"

[fresh mulch]

isnt aigis in a similar boat too?

[uncut depot]

i mean aigis is already humanoid most people dont need to know what the harkness test is to figure that one out

[fresh mulch]

if she looked like a cat, would it be weird to romance her even if she had the same ai brain? 🤔

[ruby phoenix]

i mean. is she anthro or feral. can she still speak japanese or only meow

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-feline-meme-funny-gif-1311900451581631541

[ruby phoenix]

you're the one who brought up this hypothetical

[fresh mulch]

i think too much for my own good

[ruby phoenix]

the problem is more that she doesn't physically age but arena suggests she can still mentally age so it's fine probably?

[uncut depot]

same

[ruby phoenix]

also same

[fresh mulch]

good thing she looks humanoid and age-ambiguous, otherwise we'd have to consider the ethics of her chassis

[ruby phoenix]

if she can still speak human language:
anthro: unambiguously completely fine, feral: weirder but probably fine?
if she can only meow: wrong regardless

[uncut depot]

the consent rule doesnt have to be specifically verbal, they just have to be capable of unambiguous communication
like. nonverbal humans can still consent lol (or not consent)

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kicking-my-feet-hehe-cat-tell-me-more-cat-tell-me-more-kicking-feet-on-bed-gif-1011473044113602468

aigis:

[uncut depot]

snrk

like if they could negotiate a kink contract but have to tap on a table in morse to do so, then it depends on if the other person can understand morse i guess

[ruby phoenix]

true

reading animal body language can be difficult though and i'm not entirely sure she'd be able to communicate as non verbal feral? even if she has the mental capacity still

we've officially stepped into the fuckin can you bang a pokémon debate

[fresh mulch]

this thread

[uncut depot]

although if its enough of a pain in the ass then it might as well be a no smh

[ruby phoenix]

i mean i guess-

[ruby phoenix]

yeah pretty much

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-smash-gif-27421262

[uncut depot]

im literally watching vgc right now lmao

[fresh mulch]

are you doing smash or pass vgc edition

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-pokemon-gif-27110602

pissthrower

[uncut depot]

are you asking if id smash or pass vgc players cus otherwise this is just a regular pokémon smash or pass

[fresh mulch]

well, your call. but like you are more limited in the options here so its like a mini smash or pass?

[uncut depot]

im not doing vgc player smash or pass when one of the best known players in the scene has admitted to being groped at tournaments

[fresh mulch]

oh yeah this

what should i set to?

huh i can add one?

[uncut depot]

i dont rly know what most peoples experience of looking for mods is tbh, i just follow mod feed and download anything that interests me personally

so idk that im of much help

[fresh mulch]

i suppose the bigger appeal here would be the story stuff even with the gameplay changed so much

i think its less likely for someone just looking for gameplay to be interested in the story stuff

so uh... events?

[uncut depot]

thats where i stuck early vanadis/ella since probably the majority of the workload was event editing

i guess also bf/bmd editing that was tied to events lol

[fresh mulch]

tbf the majority of changes will be event related. specially anything involving the social sim

[uncut depot]

yeah then events is probably fair

[fresh mulch]

also, maybe its good to avoid advertising it as 'hardcore p5r' because once the people looking for that see all the yuri...

[uncut depot]

snrk

[fresh mulch]

||if only...||

interesting. all the big overhaul mods are others/misc

[ruby phoenix]

memento mori should've had a shit ton of yuri tbh and marketed exactly the same

[fresh mulch]

[uncut depot]

not shinzo abe smh

[fresh mulch]

okay this thumbnail slaps

[uncut depot]

(that reminds me, i got a comment asking about rv compatibility and had to tell them in non-technical terms that no, it wont be compatible without making alternate evts)
(i know whatd go into making those evts though, it wouldnt be hard itd just involve copypasting a bunch of commands and vomiting conditionals on them...how lazy am i feeling...)

[ruby phoenix]

there is still time to rectify this missed opportunity

[uncut depot]

when are we getting the episode aigis equivalent of take your time

[fresh mulch]

is there a tagline like TYT for p3 and 4? (that are also not already used in other mods?)

[ruby phoenix]

holy shit i can't play it on my road trip because it's not compatible with recreational vehicles this is a tragedy /j

[ruby phoenix]

wouldn't that be a strikers mod. those don't really exist

[uncut depot]

i can tell theres a joke here but i dont get what it is

[ruby phoenix]

i mean. reach out to the truth kinda works as a tagline but kinda shit for seo even just on gb because. mods swapping out rottt with other songs

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-shocked-letter-shocked-carta-assustado-lendo-assustado-gif-9865558537950598670

me skimming the thread

[uncut depot]

my bad i guess

[fresh mulch]

we get a bit quirky sometimes

[ruby phoenix]

yeahhh our bad

[ruby phoenix]

episode aigis was originally a standalone sequel to p3 in japan before fes came out. strikers is just its own standalone sequel to p5 moreso than other spin-offs

[fresh mulch]

i guess 'be your true self'?

p3 im drawing a blank

[uncut depot]

yeah that doesnt really make joke sense to me

[ruby phoenix]

memento mori works but. taken

if it's kotone only maybe memento vivere

[uncut depot]

if youre expected to use it with femc reloaded then "way of life" maybe :v

[ruby phoenix]

or that

[uncut depot]

you should for maximum yuri

[ruby phoenix]

TRUE!

[fresh mulch]

ngl im thinking of what if i did butch makoto

[ruby phoenix]

what if... enby makoto...

[fresh mulch]

my idea of p4 would be a butch yu that is seen as a typical yuri 'prince'

[ruby phoenix]

so chie /j

[fresh mulch]

hunk chie

[fresh mulch]

honestly this name slaps

[ruby phoenix]

persona 1 also has be your true mind if anyone wants to try something like this with oldsona

[fresh mulch]

BYTS is a funny acronym

similarly, i pronounce TYT as "tit"

[ruby phoenix]

fitting

[fresh mulch]

i love tyt!

[ruby phoenix]

i also love both tyt and tits

[fresh mulch]

if i did femc stuff i would honestly just use p3p (if event editing there is not a pain. which shouldnt be because its a friking vn but what would i know)

[uncut depot]

oldsona modding scares me too much im afraid
i couldnt even figure out how to extract ost from p2, i had a whole saga that ended in me just giving up and pirating the ost

[fresh mulch]

the thing is that p1 has a really interestin combat system, its just poorly used

[uncut depot]

i love lack of documentation!!

[fresh mulch]

modding it would be poggers

[ruby phoenix]

so much about it would be fixed if moving did not take up your entire turn

[fresh mulch]

interesting how p2 did the party members circling the enemy thing that would then be used extensively in p3 and 4, then dropped in p5 (but you are the one circled when getting ambushed in p5)

[ruby phoenix]

i also hope event editing in p3p isn't a pain because i also intend to add more yuri. and some yaoi for good measure

[fresh mulch]

shinjiko ||doomed|| yaoi 🔥

[ruby phoenix]

interesting that they changed a minor detail like this in eternal punishment. looks cooler this way though

[uncut depot]

from what ive heard its easy enough if a little hacky

[fresh mulch]

(this is an ep screenshot)

[ruby phoenix]

unfortunately shinjiro's social link is not in makoto's route and i don't know if you can add him in on pc. technically i know there's a gay mod for the psp version with that but idk if it differs on pc or if it's possible to port

[ruby phoenix]

yes exactly i know

innocent sin doesn't have that

[fresh mulch]

wait what change you talking about im confused

[fresh mulch]

oh really?

[ruby phoenix]

yeah

[fresh mulch]

i only played the psp version that does have that