[P5R PC] Take Your Time | [FEMC & Yuri] Story and Gameplay Overhaul

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Morning

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gay

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gay

hmmm i wonder if dogs would`ve gotten some more votes if this was a yaoi thread 🤔

https://tenor.com/view/best-friends-cat-n-dog-gif-24285497

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http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/023/021/e02e5ffb5f980cd8262cf7f0ae00a4a9_press-x-to-doubt-memes-memesuper-la-noire-doubt-meme_419-238.png i would be in the yaoi thread

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yay, i couldnt do anything for half of the day because my room was unavailable

i really wanna get this demo out asap. but im not very close to done yet tbh

found it

wish me luck

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progress

(i just really wanted to make this background event for no reason)

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:yuri_shihoann:

rip

i wonder why this bot cannot play my gif emotes but can the ones here 🤔

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I assume it only works within the scope of the current server.

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bruh it duped

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...Or not 🤔

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when i try to play the gif emoji on my own server it also just doesnt work

may have an extra thing going on

yeah same thing here

weird

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art

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cool scene

I think the camera move looks a tiny bit odd tho

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... New mechanic idea: take mona for a walk

But fr some sort of mona specific hangout could be cool. Even if not tied to slink(like twins)

I think that having it be in the evening slot would be cool. This way i can have events that explore the night life

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arguably any time-passing event hes there is spending time with him but yea one where thats the focus would be nice

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What would be the best way to implement this tho? Maybe have mona say something to hint at the next destination, and you can decide to spend the time with mona when you get tho the area?

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morgana linked episode uwu

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He goes out on his own for most confidants tho, but yeah technically for thr activities

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I should prob play p3r...

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"hey mona you want some of my sincere omelette that our insane ass maid thought she could fit the entire heart sutra on"

i have to look up what the heart sutra actually is lmao i am not culturally buddhist

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How linked episodes usually go?

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I need to finish that

i'm like halfway maybe kinda but that game is PEAK

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but not the point

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Fes is probably better idk B)

Ngl i was playing p3p and saw the 'walk koromaru' thing and got this idea now

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without actually going too much into the contents because its not important, theyre basically sl-lite (in fact iirc they in some ways are sls internally)

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Maybe i should play more persona games instead of roguelikes so i can actually take some inspiration for my own mod

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The plan for a while has been to have sl-lites, tho these ones would be necessary to advance (ive been calling them intermediary events)

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I like linked episodes in concept

not so much in execution for P3R but the concept is nice.

they do kinda stand in as ""social link"" replacements albeit lacking arcana/arcana burst/tangible gameplay benefits outside items/etc

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i disagree purely because i dont want to be a serial cheater

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don't do any female student social links then obviously

well. you can choose one

not that it matters anyways given the ending of the game but yk

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p2 remake with linked episodes to watch the megaten fans combust

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it'd probably be fine with that ngl

my opinion tho

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i mean i joke but it just feels like something that could happen that id like

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well I guess it depends bc if they're as disjointed and out of place as EPA hangouts, then yeah they'll be shit

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you can ask if you have any questions. I've played all of them except P5X at this point

well if we want to be specific, also exclude oldsona PS1, P3, and kinda P4

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like i think trying to turn an oldsona game into a newsona game is an exercise in futility and trying would just create a hot mess, but i also figure atlus knows most persona players are more familiar with newsona and would expect some social element

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agree but I think some small hangout events wouldn't hurt a ton

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Oh one thing to encourage more exploration would be to have many of the intermediary events follow this same idea. Like idk ryuji may say that he's been wanting x thing, you go to the appropriate area (like idk the cd store), and mona will be like 'hey listen' and ask if you wanna call the character (example i thought only for 2 seconds), then the 'linked episode' that is necessary(so not really a linked episode)will start?

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pretend its a polycule

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I played og p4 B)

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yeah and thats why the thing that seems most sensible in my head is "not full sls but some smaller-scale social stuff", which something closer to a linked episode would line up with

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(Nothing to do with the fact that vita emulation sucked... nope)

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i played og p4 because thats what my friend had a definitely legit iso of

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I would like to do a proper playthrough of P4 sometime. I just haven't yet

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The legitimate iso from a legitimate cd from a legitimate distributor right?

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some of the regulars in the server don't seem to be a fan of its gameplay but I'm here bc I like P4 a lot in general

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P4 gameplay is certainly one of all time

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feels a little bit forced when you put it that way

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Yeah because i dont have a good example

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so I've heard
P4G at least has some interesting stuff that I wish was brought forward....

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fair 😆

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One thing i liked about p4g is the bike thing making your party members slightly more interesting gameplaywise

The p5 learnset SUCKS

It is so one note

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cool in concept not so good in execution

lol

but yeah

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Trur

But there is also the slink ones

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p4g simply doesn't have enough skills to fully make use of what it has to offer but it's still nice overall. you can still get a decent result out of it. for example, the P4G cbt mod-

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I wish i couldve gotten mamudoon on yukiko tho. only mudo really???

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i would say jazz club but the lategame party members get like no benefit from it

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I think in theory the bike rides are better than jazz club

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Jazz club is the same broke skills for everyone. No personality

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I like the concept of unique party member skills you can get by spending extra time with them

problem is, they're daytime slots and P4G again doesn't really have enough skills

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Concentrate Charge Spell Master

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move them to night time and it would suddenly be a lot more appealing to me. imagine if the night time hangouts could offer skills for example

as it is rn the night time hangouts in p4g are severely underrated

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Why tf cant you ride the bike at night really? There is not enough time in the day

Like, you go to an onsen those work well at night

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it's literally the exact same hot springs that you get jumped in during October

so yeah lol

could probably be made into a proper mod tbh

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Read book fish sometimes hangout sometimes catch specific bug sleep

What are the night slinks again?

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p4g is a lot better about night time than p4 is

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True

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nurse and shu

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that and a lot of the skills are questionable

why would you put evade phys on Teddie

who's using megidola on Yosuke

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hey i had fun with megidola (not most optimal)

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yeah but it just dilutes his moveset yk

he still doesn't have AOE phys

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was useful against hands at least

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why is this convo making my brain drift back to archon rebalance smh

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well skills were brought up and...

I still think P5R currently lacks a faithful rebalance mod at this time though

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level 49 wind break

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maybe I've missed them but all the ones I've seen don't really try to be all that faithful

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they just dropped ailments after the first 20 levels

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yeah yosukes learnset is a mess

again. p4g cbt has you covered in theory

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i dont think ive been keeping that close watch of them but yea

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bro

diarahan???? after 5 time slots???

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if archon rebalance was to be a faithful rebalance project I'd be interested in contributing feedback :)

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wdym this one is clearly very faithful

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it's a little bit late but I think if you push to get it asap it's about on par with diarahan in the party

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that is first contingent on me actually committing to making it but noted
(i would probably want to at least finish the doubt mod first since id probably include doubt in it)

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i was thinking of maybe doing a more light weight rebalance mod that doesnt try to overhaul the game

tho i have scope creep issues so better not

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Tamaki's social makes note of her rotten luck in having 2 seperate demon incidents within mere weeks.

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i'll be having a lot of this

every slink rank has 1 skill to 1 party member, and you'll be able to relearn them any time you have access to the velvet room

in fact, this flexibility often means that if im unsure of which skill from levelup to replace, i can always just replace one of the confidant skills for the time being

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(security+ too probably)

(early vanadis/ella was in that pile and then i actually finished it lol)

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yeah I generally like those sorts of mods more (basically mods that try to stay faithful in design)

I respect the overhaul mods ofc but that's my preference overall

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yeah i like to preserve at least some of the spirit of things im making fanworks for

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i mean, i am going for something that expands on its themes (ignore the yuri)

i probably wouldnt tackle this the same way with p4g for example

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admittedly if i wanted to do story changes id probably yaoi it up lmao
though personally i prefer modularity and so my instinct is to compartmentalize things up. so id probably make archon strictly gameplay/balance changes and then just use royal restoration and gay jonkler alongside of it (once those are completed/fixed :V)

exception would probably be if i made manual mona link a req for the mod since that inherently involves adding fanfic-ass events

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well tbf you are changing a lot of things significantly that is your stated goal hahaha

like basically your rebalancing of party members is something I've largely stopped commenting on given how many new skills you've added + the completely different philosophy you have to it

I don't feel like I can comment on it anymore lol

and your story changes are obviously quite substantial

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so a small part of me has wanted to do like a tweaks thing for P4G but I know something like that would just attract stupid controversy anyways

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yeah same I think modularity is very good bc players should be allowed to choose their experience for the most part if they're modding

maybe for example with this mod I want the yuri but not the gameplay changes

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i mean you probably can, but there's also the issue that there's no available gameplay to go off on rn

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i really wanna do the demo as soon as possible because of stuff like this

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i am very interested in what that sob emoji is communicating :V

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it's communicating that I hate the double tap emote thing bc I did not intend to react at all

😔

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lmao

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tbf the yuri is just a part of the story changes which are intrisically tied to the gameplay in multiple aspects (shadow ann boss fight is the most obvious example, but also my plans for more intricate social link connections that does affect gameplay)

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no option to disable that is crazy. thanks discord

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ive not had problems with it yet just because i genuinely use that much

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i do plan on, if possible, making small mods that take something from what im doing here anyway

like the theoretical gardening overhaul

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understandable, shadow party member fights is fire :V

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I understand that much but you get what I mean right

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yup

what if i make a yuri mod

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what if i make a polythieves mod

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the thing that has stopped me from making more substantial mods is mainly lack of time. otherwise there are a few projects I could think of for P4G like improving the bike rides/skill cards, making some small edits to a couple of cringe events, etc

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understandable have a nice day

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or I could work on like a, "fix P3R events" mod

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<== person with more mod ideas than executive function

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but it's fun to talk about the concepts anyways...

yeppppp

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~~the good thing about this mod is that when i work on it im working on all my mod ideas at once ~~

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I just don't have a lot of time now unfortunately haha, I would love to spend some of my work modding instead

but that's not how it works

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im unemployed (hopefully getting disability benefits soon. dw im not murican)

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anyways the funny thing is that this mod is not exactly a faithful attempt at changing p5r per say but it actually does address a lot of things I would have wanted to see in a faithful story change mod anyways

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(my focus issues are getting in the way of finishing this goddamn demo )

(btw i'll be taking a test to diagnose for adhd. yay)

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i swear ill actually make cinema and aojiru select and finish the rematch mod and more thieves' den unlocks and the doubt mod and post the shinya kindness gate fix when i actually have a way to test it and

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true i have to overhaul the cinema stuff...

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

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hope you get something useful out of it :)

actually it reminds me I've thought about seeking that out for myself but I wouldn't even know where to start with that so I just. haven't

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i got my autism testing done by a psychologist i was already seeing, this one is the same

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laughs in the goodfather only being watchable on 2/2 afternoon when youd rather be getting ella if you even know the movie exists or at least thats what im getting from the shudders fandom wiki because i cannot fucking find information anywhere else by googling

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I just got a im from Studio Elan. Look at my Yuri tag!!!

I think I joined their discord just to gush about Heart of the Forest but the Yuri tag was worth it

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Yes! I loved a lot about the Kotone P3 mod as a lesbian because it really gave me nostalgia as living as an out lesbian in college. But although they did change a lot of writing and pronouns, a lot was because it was originally written for a guy who liked women. Girlkisser has added so much nuance and little things from lgbtq bullying as well as lgbtq support that I really feel seen by this mod as both a genderqueer person and a lesbian which can be rare.

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pogchamp

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Awesome! Haven't heard about them but I'm sure they're cool

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heart of the woods is top tier yuri

https://tenor.com/view/tara-heart-of-the-woods-my-beloved-tara-my-beloved-hotw-gif-24096069

...tempting

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right the event. almost forgor. after that initial animation the rest should be pretty quick to make

idk i have choice paralysis

(if anyone wants to contribute to something specific here?)

playing p3p (male route still) brought the concept of the sickness mechanic back into my mind. and while i wouldnt actually implement the mechanic itself, i do want to introduce the idea of certain party members not being available every day, usually because they are either busy or because they got sick (similar to how in p3 not everyone can go to tartarus every day)

honestly, p3fes might've been more influential to this mod than i realized, philosophy-wise.

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I think P5S gives good showing of the Phantom Thieves as a friend group~~/polycule~~ as far as writing inspiration is concerned.

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yeah. while i had finished the game like twice already, i kinda forgot most of the specifics, and it would be a good refresher to replay the story again

there is some stuff im taking from p4 that i think could justify the replaying of it... but i have so many unplayed stuff and p4g is still kinda fresh in my mind, so...

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on this topic, there is one thing that i wish i could've done to hammer the point home even more: tactics-only party members

one problem: tactics barely work

and even if they did, i added a lot of mechanical depth that would go to waste if you had no control of party members

mastering baton pass chains is really fun, and that'd take away from that too

[ruby phoenix]

how much will the demo have? the entirety of kamoshida's arc fully accessible?

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yeah thats the idea

it needs a good point to stop while showing basically all the core ideas

the month of april is a good one

it should get faster as i finish the basics down. there is still a lot of foundation to build

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also: sophie ❤️❤️❤️

[ruby phoenix]

true though i think giving morgana a traditional social link would be rad as hell too

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https://tenor.com/view/sophia-how-many-are-you-sure-p5s-persona-gif-20780232

what if... sophie and aigis kissed

toaster yuri

[ruby phoenix]

there's no cheating route in p3 so i like to think makoto is just actually an ethically polyamorous person

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i have a feeling that wouldnt work very well in practice

[ruby phoenix]

that would be so rad kinda a perfect way of handling adding newsona adjacent content to p2 without completely changing it

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Do the quiz segments count as Kuma's Commu?

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did you call teddie kuma

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I am a stickler.

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how many people actually call him by his "canon" name?

[ruby phoenix]

what if i make an akeshusumi mod

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which one

[grand cipher]

Kuma

[ruby phoenix]

tempted to say tactica just because i think that game is peak and underrated but. probably fes

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japanese people and otakus

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P4 was originally released in Japan, making Kuma his true name.

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really i thought it was released in madagascar

[grand cipher]

where the penguins live? interesting choice....

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reverse penalty

[ruby phoenix]

there's an ai tactics fixes mod maybe it'll work better with this mod? and you could probably modify it even further

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also you did not need to ping me thrice in the same thread

[ruby phoenix]

sure why not. toaster yuri

[grand cipher]

wouldn't they short circuit?

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i dont think it did that much? besides deathchaos is doing some changes to the ai as well and it has been a harrowing experience following along with atlus' shenanigans

tactics would not work with the level of complexity im doing right now, even as a fan of fes i think that'd make the game less fun

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i thought of making a version of ai fixes for archon but it seems like unnecessary work when i dont rly intend people to play that way

(and would rely on first knowing the party could do in the first place)

[ruby phoenix]

oh yeah true i forgot about jealousy completely

i like social link neglect and dialogue option reversal but that method of reversal just completely sucks it should not have been a thing

[ruby phoenix]

sorry

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one reason tactics worked well with fes is the fact that the party members were the ones making their own moveset, you didnt dictate which skills they would keep

but when you have a huge amount of options you are encouraged to get creative with? tactics kinda falls flat

it makes nicher skills even worse by diluting the options the ai has, and you also have less opportunities to use them imo. if you had control of fes party member's skills, imagine how many people would just remove marin karin from mitsuru

unfortunately it clashes mechanically here

flavourwise and thematically it would be great tho

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its only an issue because of how it combines with no platonic routes
being punished for ghosting your friends is perfectly reasonable actually, but if you try to befriend one of the girls you basically have to either commit to dating her or just let that link die and if you naively try to befriend multiple then fuck you

[ruby phoenix]

i might still try designing an alternate ai tactics fixes designed for this mod specifically at some point but that would probably be difficult to handle well yeah

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oh yeah i was thinking of a ghosting mechanic

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unfortunately persona fans are allergic to the most basic friction so the baby has been thrown out with the bathwater

[ruby phoenix]

yea yea

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this requires a lot of exe editing to get anywhere near fes btw

the ai is very hardcoded

[ruby phoenix]

oh

damn that sucks

[fresh mulch]

would reading be considered friction

[ruby phoenix]

unfortunately yes

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p4 then since you've played that one

oh wait you have done golden too, I just read more

is this for like replaying or something I'm confused

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replaying would only be fes (like, replaying after a decade), and strikers

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ic

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legti it has been a decade since i last touched fes

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I mean my answer is going to be p4 for writing but I think you can get a lot from almost every persona game

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p4? okay time to boot up the ps2

[ruby phoenix]

tactica is the best persona spin-off by a long shot i think i love toshiro and erina so much..

[strong moat]

p4 has excellent world building since it's so focused and the social links are structured/written in such a way to where they are meaningful and deep without being repetitive

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my goat...

[ruby phoenix]

or. the you-know-what

[strong moat]

tactica and Q are both really good at diving into specific characters and their psyches

[fresh mulch]

might unironically replay base p4 one day, i dont buy the 'more content = better version' mentality people have honestly. it has its strengths just like base p5 has its strengths over royal (and in that case, its because it has less stuff)

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writing wise i think if you like one you have to like the other although Q's mechanics and core gameplay help it a lot while tactica goes all in on excellent writing

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if i replay strikers i should probs play tactica first, since thats the new one and apparently surprisingly good

[strong moat]

yeah I cannot comment on p4 really but I would be interested in seeing how it handles itself. I know with P5, my takeaway was that it felt a bit under baked but also somehow a bit more cohesive as well

[ruby phoenix]

i do think the phantom thieves are kinda underutilized in tactica's main game though but they've had two whole games already it's fine

plus repaint your heart dives heavily into the royal trio which i love the them ...

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i know that p4g at least had way better additions

[strong moat]

bc royal really does do a lot to make it feel more complete but some of the new content is disjointed

and obviously P5R gameplay is known for being very easy

[ruby phoenix]

yea tactica is amazing

the dlc is kinda overpriced for its length but it's also really really good too

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tactica is really good it is probably tied with Q for being my favorite spinoff

I think it clears some mainline games

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the tv channel extra content is like thieves den, but worse, but still more fitting for the game than whatever thieves den is

in terms of new additions

(i am addicted to tycoon send help)

[lunar vector]

I really think P4 and P5 are on different ends of the Definitive Edition spectrum. P4G saw improved QoL but the story additions are conspicuously bad... whereas P5R seems imbalanced if you care about that, but it fixed the story so much that I don't care about that at all, lmao. P5 absolutely feels like an incomplete game.

[ruby phoenix]

so true tycoon is the best part of persona 5 royal. including the things from base p5

[fresh mulch]

eh, maruki's part feels like an addon rather than a continuation of the story. the og ending works really well and feels complete

[lunar vector]

The OG ending bores me to tears, lolll.

[strong moat]

P3F is probably the best "definitive" edition seeing as no one ever talks about going back to OG P3

[lunar vector]

Maruki ending is so much more true to how personal the conflict is at its best.

[strong moat]

with every other mainline persona game there is a somewhat decent reason to play the original release

[ruby phoenix]

i'm mostly joking but it is wild how overly polished a small minigame side mode like that is

i love tycoon

[strong moat]

with P3? no, there isn't a good reason to go back to P3 when P3F exists

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p1 moment

[ruby phoenix]

p1's reason is its original localisation is comically bad and it's worth it to go back and laugh at it

[fresh mulch]

i was wondering, the akechi and sumi dlc is when in the story?

[ruby phoenix]

it's a prequel but it's harder than the main game

[fresh mulch]

in the story of p5

[ruby phoenix]

i think it's mid sae palace iirc?

[fresh mulch]

... im having horrible, stupid ideas

[strong moat]

yeah like

• P1 PSP fucks the OST, fucks the atmosphere, kinda messes with the visuals a bit (but tbf I'm comparing to MIP, when you look at revelations the bad localization has its own appeal)
• P2IS PSP has the opening change and fucks the menus
• P2EP PSP is not officially in English
• P3P is a visual downgrade and arguably a gameplay downgrade + lacks episode aigis
• P3R is a whole can of worms I do not want to open rn
• P4 has aesthetics and no Marie
• P5 is more cohesive and feels a little more balanced...

[fresh mulch]

p2 opening is fire tho

[ruby phoenix]

so. sumi is still kasumi and akechi is prince akechi. though i think prince akechi works better for tactica anyway so it works

[strong moat]

P3F really is the only game that completely supercedes its previous release haha

[strong moat]

it kinda is (I assume you mean IS) but the original PS1 opening works better

[fresh mulch]

IS is

[lunar vector]

If Royal's story changes have one apologist, it's me

[strong moat]

it's a shame P2EP was never localized bc I do think it also would completely supplant the original release

[ruby phoenix]

don't go dissing the p1p ost it's amazing

do kinda dislike how it has less songs though tbf. the removal of character themes for instance is baffling. but i love all the vocal songs so.

also unbreakable tie is fucking awesome even moreso

[strong moat]

honestly I do like several of P1 PSP's songs in isolation (mainly the vocal ones) but a lot of the other songs feel really... meh?

[fresh mulch]

im giving p1p ost a fitting home here

[ruby phoenix]

thankfully we do have a fan translation now

[strong moat]

I also think it really does not work well for the games atmosphere

[strong moat]

yeah, but I don't think it's fair to consider that given it's a fan translation rather than official yk

[fresh mulch]

i mean i like it too, just feels like base is complete enough without it

[ruby phoenix]

i for one can't wait for kotone in fes to be finished so there will be no reason to play p3p i love kotone but she is trapped in the worst version of the game let her out

[grand cipher]

there's a mod for that?

[ruby phoenix]

it's very unfinished but yes

it only has story changes for the first three days of the game (and the third is broken and softlocks) and after that it's pretty much just model swaps and kotone's voice still really cool though

[fresh mulch]

me beginning my 34th modded minecraft playthrough attempt after downloading every mod that looked cool (i stopped five minutes in again)

i mean an exaggerated example, but thats close enough to what i mean

you know what p5r additions reminded me of? pokemon and the random cool one-off side activities

[strong moat]

prettyyyyyy sure it is on hiatus and/or abandoned

[fresh mulch]

(why pokemon has so many randomass mechanics completely divorced from the battle system)

[ruby phoenix]

it's on hiatus but i'm pretty sure the creator still wants to go back to it when she's less busy

[strong moat]

tbh P3R is probably the closest to being a definitive version of the game unfortunately

[fresh mulch]

COUGHING BABY WON LETS GOOOOO

[lunar vector]

Because the point is to hang out in the world with your little friends, not just to battle also gamefreak/nintento love a gimmick and even as often as those gimmicks fail they're actually essential to the series' longevity

[fresh mulch]

you might not like it, but thats what peak gameplay looks like

[lunar vector]

People are obsessed with contests decades later when they were never even a good mechanic. So it goes!

[fresh mulch]

yeah but often you see the most ridiculously complex mechanics done for no reason, see, the rse pokeblocks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJ-chH26qE

1 HOUR

[lunar vector]

gamefreak love a gimmick

See also: Spinda.

[fresh mulch]

nah spinda is easy to add

[lunar vector]

Why did they do that to themselves? Love of the game, I fucking guess.

[fresh mulch]

4 squares, use an already existing value to determine circle placemenet, boom done

[lunar vector]

Still, a complication for literally no reason.

[fresh mulch]

true...

[fresh mulch]

how many of this random stuff is just developers experimenting with shit for fun and then that goes in the final product because why not

i have a feeling a lot of p5r features were something like that at least

funnily enough, despite totk being born from 'the developers were getting more and more ideas to dlcs but then it grew too big and they decided to make that its own game', most of what it adds feels quite cohesive and not as random as the history implies

i wonder how much stuff was scrapped

[fresh mulch]

i mean i am also a bit guilty of that

[lunar vector]

[fresh mulch]

[fresh mulch]

oh right i forgot about arena ultimax how silly of me || /j ||

[ruby phoenix]

sho and minazuki my beloveds

[mellow pecan]

I liked the P4G additions. Felt Hollow Forrest helped better foreshadow the final boss.

[grand cipher]

kinda wish during final boss, they would talk about marie

[fresh mulch]

marie wouldve been better if she was at least somewhat integrated to the investigation team. like, we barely get to see them interact properly beyond a scene or two

[ruby phoenix]

||hollow forest||'s gameplay is especially peak

[lunar vector]

All the scooter scenes are soooo badly written. And Marie's dialogue... 😬 It's painful.

[ruby phoenix]

definitely the most fun p4 dungeon

[mellow pecan]

||Izanami|| mentioned her after the reveal.

[fresh mulch]

>enters p5 mod thread
>p4 spoilers

[ruby phoenix]

fair point

[mellow pecan]

Sorry.

[lunar vector]

[fresh mulch]

which scooter scenes? the story ones?

[lunar vector]

The ones leading up to getting the license and whatnot. They drag on sooo long, god.

Agonizing.

[fresh mulch]

p4g really amped some of the worst parts of p4's writing

[lunar vector]

Yeah, all the dialogue is super flanderized and unedited-feeling...

[fresh mulch]

i was going to joke about pq, but at least its mostly harmless bad writing

[lunar vector]

Well........ yeah 😅

[fresh mulch]

legit the lack of some scenes make base p4 better storywise 💀

(shotouts to remove cringe scenes mod)

[lunar vector]

It's spinoff-ass writing 😔

[ruby phoenix]

pq feels like a fanfiction and i mean that in the most positive way possible

[fresh mulch]

this mod is a fanfic

but yeah, its more a in good fun crossover fic territory. nothing terrible just not award winning

[lunar vector]

I hate crossovers so that tracks 😅

[fresh mulch]

~~i actually dont read crossover fics so im just speculating 💀 ~~

[lunar vector]

First thing I filter out of a search, every time

[fresh mulch]

i first filter out f/m but that too

[lunar vector]

Anyway, I should end my hater moment here, because all of this is to say, base P4's writing is good enough that this all sticks out like a sore thumb 😅

[edgy field]

I'm a big fan for them. But I hate how they're almost never utilized to their fullest extent and are usually just used for comedy.

[fresh mulch]

i like hater moments, they are very insightful (and cathartic)

but lover moment time: p3fes is pogchamp

[edgy field]

It a real shame fes was the last game with lots of very interesting experiments that were shot down before they were refined.

[fresh mulch]

true...

[ruby phoenix]

i get why it didn't happen (primarily renderware being fucking dead) but i'm still so mad they didn't remaster fes too you either gotta play it on ps2, ps3, or emulator

[fresh mulch]

idk what you mean i never heard of no emulator just my legit honest-to-god playstation 2 with my legit honest-to-god copy of Persona 3: FES by Atlus

[fresh mulch]

one thing interesting is that you can tell how much thought went into tying the social sim side of things to gameplay. not through literal mechanics like slink bonus, but stuff like the party members controlling their own moveset, choosing their own moves, evolving their personas through in-story growth, having individual status like sickness, having days where they are unavailable, etc

its a huge thematic tie-in, but with time as the games got standardized, a lot of this stuff got watered down

[edgy field]

No but see Mitsuru spams marin karin so the entire tactics system should be removed. As if they couldn't just make the system better if they focused on it.

[fresh mulch]

tbh im unsure if p5 would've or not be as huge of a hit if it had fes-like mechanics, but something tells me that the game itself didnt matter for the success, considering how even the average player got fed up by the kaneshiro arc anyway (the stylish menus, the first palace, and the music were the big things keeping p5 on the spotlight anyway)

[ruby phoenix]

and besides mitsuru doesn't even actually use marin karin that much. and besides even if she did marin karin is a good move

[fresh mulch]

just buff marin karin to deal a brajillion damage. fixed

[edgy field]

The thing is everyone keeps thinking that the systems would be exactly like fes. But if they truly kept up these systems they would be improved upon and maybe p5 would've been the apex of them.

The fact that p3 has many fans currently shows that the systems themselves weren't the issue.

[fresh mulch]

nah you dont improve mechanics, you scrap all of them to make completely new ones

[fresh mulch]

idk mitsuru is good enough reason for me to continue coming back

[ruby phoenix]

besides p3 fes' tactics ai is way better than people give it credit for

people who haven't actually played fes tend to judge it based on how shitty the ai in the later games is and assume that fes is also like that when it isn't

[fresh mulch]

if p5 was good /||h||j

[edgy field]

Exactly, me at like 10 years old was able to get to October 4th before being filtered by the boss on fes. It's really not that bad.

[fresh mulch]

what is this cover now that im looking at it

[ruby phoenix]

genuinely have been thinking about how much of p5 could be restructured to play more like p3 fes because an overhaul mod like that would be kinda peak

[fresh mulch]

they really just slapped smt occult stuff and the sillhouette of an anime girl

[fresh mulch]

closest you're gonna get is this one tbh. but still its not quite the same

[ruby phoenix]

why were you playing persona 3 at the age of 10

[ruby phoenix]

like the one thing vanilla p3 does better than p3 fes

[edgy field]

My parents were built different

played it on the ps3. I should really boot up that save again, I still have it.

[fresh mulch]

tbf mara is the worst part for that age (and its still not really lol). i'd be more worried about p5 with how heavy it gets (tho for most children that probably flies over their heads too)

[edgy field]

I actually had p4 too on it but I never played it for some reason which is a shame.

[ruby phoenix]

one of the biggest things i was thinking about was wondering how possible it would be to overhaul the game so mementos was the main focus instead of palaces

feels kinda difficult but not impossible and would be interesting to see how p5 would differ if designed like that

[fresh mulch]

it would not be that difficult tbh

a lot of it is just handled in the scheduler

[ruby phoenix]

actually fair enough p3 does also get pretty heavy but most 10 year olds understand death i think and that's about as far as p3 goes

[fresh mulch]

time consuming maybe

[ruby phoenix]

that makes sense i do wonder how exactly palace bosses would work in a mementos first p5 though

[fresh mulch]

the flowscripts that determine what happens for every time period

[ruby phoenix]

i mean. like full moon operations kinda presumably but how do those translate into p5

[edgy field]

at that point I was really naïve, so it would've gone over my head.

[fresh mulch]

it'd be very dependant in how one would implement them tbh. there is no definitive answer

[fresh mulch]

my young ass didnt understand fully what happened in the shiho part 🫠

[ruby phoenix]

i'm thinking maybe every palace could be overhauled into a mini dungeon of just a couple rooms that you have to do in one day on the deadline or something (or at any time but it still has to be one day) idk how possible to mod in that would be though

[edgy field]

that seems kinda boring tbh

[ruby phoenix]

i mean that's basically how full moon operations work

[fresh mulch]

without hardcode stuff its still very possible if you get clever with the flowscripts for doors and fhits

[edgy field]

I don't think you need to rip out everything related to p5

keep the good stuff and remove the bad stuff

the palaces could be improved, but they're executed fairly well.

[fresh mulch]

this is whats left

/j i like p5

[edgy field]

Honestly a lot of the issues with p5 are just due to the overreliance on the confidant system really.

[ruby phoenix]

i think they're kind of a slog on a replay compared to tartarus and even the tv world because they're long and don't vary as much between playthroughs. and they're heavily dependent on puzzles that are trivial on an additional playthrough. tbf a lot of the problems would probably be fixed if they were a little more combat focused though

[fresh mulch]

hmmm what if i make an event where kamoshida gets run over, repeatedly, by an 18 wheeler

[uncut depot]

p2 psp also fucks the difficulty im told?

[fresh mulch]

not enough?

[ruby phoenix]

do it

[ruby phoenix]

innocent sin psp is kinda the easiest game in the series yeah

[edgy field]

That can be improved upon. Something similar to the grapple points but actually good.

[ruby phoenix]

like what

[fresh mulch]

tbf this is mostly an issue with the game being built so even fetuses can beat it

[ruby phoenix]

true

[mellow pecan]

Persona 5: The Royal: Episode Violet.

[ruby phoenix]

that would be so peak i love sumi

[edgy field]

maybe a secret key/door for puzzles that you can find? And/or make a seperate path that has enemies, so you can choose between a puzzle and combat.

[fresh mulch]

Persona 5: The Royal: Episode Violet 2: Golden Reload

[fresh mulch]

not me getting every question wrong in the fire gym in pokemon red blue so i get more exp from fights

[edgy field]

the real way to fix this is to make a time machine and go back to 2009 and get tactics back on the menu

[uncut depot]

im conditionally ok with crossovers but those shitty "i shoved every random oneshot ive made for 10 different unrelated fandoms in one fic entry" can die

[mellow pecan]

Persona 5: The Royal: Episode Violet 3: The Ultimax in the Otherworld Arena.

[uncut depot]

id say my notps but really i just abuse site skins so i can nuke them preemptively instead of having to add the filters every time

[fresh mulch]

more likely than a true definitive version of p3 tbh

[quiet prism]

I think I need bonk stick therapy, I generated images of the phantom thief girls including Rei, in taimanin versions of their thief outfits.

[fresh mulch]

why taimanin

[quiet prism]

I blame some of the other channels I'm on

[edgy field]

didn't get the reference...

[edgy field]

you should draw instead

[ruby phoenix]

[quiet prism]

Hahaha... Unfortunately I suck at drawing. I can't even make stick figures somehow

[ruby phoenix]

just. keep trying

[edgy field]

you have to practice to get better

taking the easy way out will get you nowhere

[ruby phoenix]

do you think da vinci just came out the womb able to paint the mona lisa

[fresh mulch]

we all know every artist is born knowing how to make mona lisa out of the womb because of drawing genes

[quiet prism]

No. But talent is still a quantifiable thing.

[fresh mulch]

oh we had the same idea

[ruby phoenix]

yes but talent is entirely earned, not given

[edgy field]

I have no talent, an yet I am able to create.

[ruby phoenix]

that too

[fresh mulch]

i mean you also need to have an actual interest to get anywhere

[edgy field]

you won't get interest if you don't try to spark it yourself.

[uncut depot]

"im going to use the industrial slop machine instead of trying to learn a new skill"

[fresh mulch]

that means you already had an interest tbf

[edgy field]

The fact they know their current limits means they have some interest.

[fresh mulch]

there are periods i draw often and periods i draw almost nothing. it depends on my current hyperfocus

thats why i have such a random skillset

[weary rapids]

True

[fresh mulch]

i am thinking of going back to drawing lately tho.... ||for inappropriate, yuriful reasons ||

[weary rapids]

I get more interested in one thing for months and then put it down for months and focus on another thing

Just like how im putting this series down for awhile and dont really touch it cuz im not really interested rn

[ruby phoenix]

based

[fresh mulch]

im under the whims of autism of what i'll be focusing on

[uncut depot]

me with writing fanfic

[fresh mulch]

at least i'll always be working a bit on this thing

having a following on any project generally keeps me interested in going

(rip my graveyard of fan projects)

[ruby phoenix]

semi related i should learn how drawing humans works so i can draw akeshusumi and stuff

[fresh mulch]

||semi related...? ||

[ruby phoenix]

i mean it's going to work safe but it COULD be yuri

[fresh mulch]

trans akechi????

[ruby phoenix]

yes

transfem ren and transfem akechi and sumi yuri polycule...

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-cat-cat-meme-cat-sleepy-sleepy-gif-1049238414704752483

[ruby phoenix]

(to clarify about this i only know how to draw furries

[uncut depot]

i can draw people but not with enough skill that id sell it

[fresh mulch]

||unironically i kinda like mmf akeshusumi? i generally only like fm only when there is actual bisexuality involved tbh (and i dont mean stuff that is obviously just made for straight guys 🤢cough most ffm cough )||

sry had to get this out of my chest

[edgy field]

food is food

[fresh mulch]

im a picky eater

[ruby phoenix]

i also do like regular akeshusumi a lot but yuri akeshusumi is also very very rad too

[edgy field]

https://tenor.com/view/not-very-woke-of-you-nuh-uh-homelander-gen-v-the-boys-gif-5949428463441363002

[ruby phoenix]

akeshusumi is cool as hell no matter the context

[fresh mulch]

ya'll generally have a hard time coaxing het ships from me

[ruby phoenix]

there should be akeshusumi in this mod but you have to do the polycule there is no akeshu only

[fresh mulch]

there is no akeshu

[mellow pecan]

The Shujin Trio is also peak mmf polycule.

[ruby phoenix]

true

also in p3 moonlight bridge trio (makoto, aigis and ryoji)

[simple knoll]

YESS

fellow shuakesumi enjoyer

[fresh mulch]

bridge trio 😭

[uncut depot]

the thing with me and akeshusumi is i can see jonkler simultaneously having a situationship with akechi and a relationship with sumire but i cant picture akechi and sumire having anything like that for each other :v

[fresh mulch]

same, but doesnt have to be a perfect triangle

[simple knoll]

I like where it starts that way but they learn to love each other over time

[fresh mulch]

i cant see it. but im too yuri pilled so idk

[simple knoll]

also I think joker would get a mega kick out of watching sumire and akechi... the perv. lol

[ruby phoenix]

consider this kinda dynamic:
sumi
akechi ♣️ ren

[uncut depot]

i cannot tell what that is supposed to be communicating

[simple knoll]

yeah me either

[ruby phoenix]

troll romance

[uncut depot]

oh the club emoji is invisible in dark mode

[ruby phoenix]

i forget how the clubs quadrant is spelled but that

[fresh mulch]

i searched this and only got runescape stuff

[ruby phoenix]

homestuck troll romance

[uncut depot]

auspisticism

but also no thats lame to me

well

really i should say i find it personally inferior to just akechi <3< jonkler

[ruby phoenix]

akeshu kismesistude is so peak yeah

[fresh mulch]

shuake really is inevitable

[strong moat]

it seems not significantly so, P2IS psx is apparently also easy as shit

[uncut depot]

i can swear i remember classic persona discord saying p2is psp makes things artificially 25% squishier

[simple knoll]

always

[strong moat]

from what I've been told, it's like. easier but not by a ton

[ruby phoenix]

i think sumigoro might end up a bit more ♦️ than ❤️ maybe idk

[uncut depot]

(i mean theres also the deeper thing with me that very few ships in general inspire more emotion than a polite "yeah i guess i can see the vision")

[edgy field]

exactly

[fresh mulch]

(same tbh)

[mellow pecan]

I don't understand the card suit meaning.

[uncut depot]

homestuck

[fresh mulch]

homestuck

[simple knoll]

homestuck

lmao

[ruby phoenix]

homestuck

[mellow pecan]

Now I'm scared.

[simple knoll]

dw i have never read homestuck either

[ruby phoenix]

diamonds is basically queerplatonic sorta actually not 100% the same but. close enough

[fresh mulch]

why are we in a home and why are we stuck

[strong moat]

yeah it's funny because like there's the ship polls in this thread and I'm just like. I do not gaf at all LMAO

like idk most of the P5 ships are kinda whatever to me

[fresh mulch]

tbh its mostly about who tops no really shipping

[edgy field]

thats basically shipping

[fresh mulch]

no u

[uncut depot]

if i need to contort myself to force homestuck quadrants into a non-mspa property then the argument is already lost

[simple knoll]

yeah most yuri ships in p5 do not interest me

[ruby phoenix]

honestly yea same

really i'm only deranged about akeshusumi and to a lesser extent shukita

maybe sumitaba too

[mellow pecan]

Bold move to say that here.

I say that while shipping Ryuji and Ann.

[ruby phoenix]

fair i suppose

[strong moat]

I do not think there is a single persona ship I am truly crazy about

[fresh mulch]

me and mitsuru

[strong moat]

nichirinmaru is probably the closest one I could think of

sorry

(that's the ship dungeon in P2EP if anyone is wondering)

[uncut depot]

lmao

[edgy field]

the only real persona ship is atlus and rereleases

[mellow pecan]

I can't decipher what that-

The boat where Tatsuzou was fought?

[fresh mulch]

tbf most of this is about trying to make them work. going by canon most ships have little sauce, including the romanceable options

[ruby phoenix]

p3 has way more good yuri in comparison

[edgy field]

but like whats the point

[fresh mulch]

true...

[edgy field]

I mean do you have anything to say about them besides the ship existing?

[ruby phoenix]

yukari has so many girlfriends... kotone, mitsuru AND aigis...

[fresh mulch]

its fun

[uncut depot]

once upon a time for fic purposes i thought of jonkler having an internal drama where he lowkey thirsted for like several of the pts but had no concept of poly and didnt want to cause drama so he just quietly angsted

and then i realized i didnt actually want to write that shit

[strong moat]

yea as long as it isn't too forced I'm all for seeing stuff like that right

[uncut depot]

so now the vision in my head is just go all in on akeshu angst which is the only one thats a big deal to me anyway lol

[strong moat]

basically: please don't do shumako LMAO

[edgy field]

I guess? But I feel as though it'll make your mod less cohesive in the process. It's whatever though.

[strong moat]

it's just social sim stuff, as long as it doesn't feel forced I don't see a huge problem with it

and I don't mean this as an insult to this mod but it kinda seems to be trying to change a lot of things anyhow

[fresh mulch]

unrelated but i was searching some yukari pics because of this convo and ended up in a thread that contained some discussion about yukari
i am going insane
the argument that 'hugs mean more in japan' is inconsequential. like, yes, they do sure. but people act like you can just randomly hug others when they are in a state of panic outside of japan????
sorry i just had to vent

[strong moat]

not really focused on one specific aspect

[strong moat]

it's funny bc that whole discourse doesn't even exist anymore since they changed the event entirely in P3P/P3R lol

[ruby phoenix]

honestly like the only game with actual well handled actually chooseable in game romance options in the base game is p3. and also p2 i suppose tatsujun is great

[uncut depot]

i mean theres also the fact that its not as weird to hug someone as a form of comfort in the anglo world ime

[ruby phoenix]

shumako is immediately better if ren is a woman /j

[fresh mulch]

the 'as weird' is doing a lot of work here. its still weird af lol

generally people are not a fan of being constricted out of nowhere tbh

[edgy field]

Well yeah, thats why tactics was gutted.

[fresh mulch]

how to hug: ask if you can hug. got permission? hug

[uncut depot]

ive come to realize too that my shipping feelings have just changed in general
like i dont feel compelled to always indulge every ship that i vaguely think would be neat

[fresh mulch]

tbf there is no way i cant make it feel a bit forced simply due to the nature of the 'lesbian polycule' angle. however i'll only pair the ones i can see working

[ruby phoenix]

important can rei date shiho too to form a full on polycule

[fresh mulch]

fan works have the benefit of being a bit indulgent as a treat. but honestly? i believe it still works. it wouldnt be as different as other directions i could've gotten, since the idea anyway is to increase the bonds between the pts (romance is just one way to do it, and there will be a lot of non-romance, like ann & haru just being friendship). i am going for a 'found family that builds their own space together where they can be themselves' sorta angle, which does tie to the themes, it just doesnt need romance, but i like it

also, blame the cheating route of the game for wanting me to make a polycule somewhat plausible to keep the 'dating multiple girl' mechanic without the shittery behind it. i just thought a bit more about it and realized that that'd mean that other characters would naturally be able to have their own romances irrespective of the player (and we ended here)

[fresh mulch]

yes actually

[ruby phoenix]

perfection

[fresh mulch]

the idea is that she would become an npc you could spend time with post the ann slink rank 10, and eventually (if you didnt select some options in the slink), you can date her

just an idea for now tho

[ruby phoenix]

no attempts to make a shiho social link?

[fresh mulch]

look at the pins

[ruby phoenix]

perfect

they're the lovers... because... they're girlfriends... perfection

[fresh mulch]

the slink romance is with ann, but shiho is an optiona after 1 - getting rank 10, and 2 - entering a poly with ann (you cant just date one or the other)

[fresh mulch]

(i mean you can, but not in a monogamous way i mean)

[weary rapids]

We need the poly

[ruby phoenix]

monogamy will be fake in whenever this mod is done

so based to not include monogamy...

[fresh mulch]

considering this, since makoto will be kind of a big part of this quartet, dating her should still count as being part of the poly so you could mayb go makoto and shiho?

[simple knoll]

damn i can't make shiho and ann date each other by themselves?

[fresh mulch]

they'll do that by themselves

[simple knoll]

yeah i'm going for sumire always

[fresh mulch]

i mean i guess? but thats the most superficial reading of it

[simple knoll]

the lovers card is for relationships in general

[ruby phoenix]

i know but it's funny

[simple knoll]

in ann's og confidant it focused mostly on her relationships with others

[fresh mulch]

if you read the description you can see what im going for

[weary rapids]

Based

[mellow pecan]

Persona does occasionally use said superficial reading, as seen with Rise & Lisa.

I say that knowing they have far more depth than that.

[ruby phoenix]

i feel like bringing up relatedly now that i do have my own idea for a story overhaul that is also femc related and includes a separate shiho social link (fortune, replacing chihaya, starts being available around kaneshiro's palace because she needs time to recover from her injuries) where she will always date ann. you can still date either or both of them and form a yuri polycule if you want

seems like something this thread would be interested jn

[mellow pecan]

Do all the Phantom Thieves have Shadow Selves or just Ann?

[fresh mulch]

(i know these super generalized meanings are also a bit superficial, but you should be able to get the gist of it)

[simple knoll]

yeah with tarot readings usually you tryto contextualize them with the person's situation. generalized meanings are a bit hard

[fresh mulch]

im focusing a lot more on ann's arcana here in general. i think there is a lot more potential for her journey that was untapped (specially with the shiho stuff being shrugged aside so quickly in canon)

[fresh mulch]

sometimes its just vibes that i cant really put into words. you just... get it? its weird

[ruby phoenix]

also it's a yoshizawa as femc sorta deal (yes another one) and she's sumi's classmate instead of ann and the kamoshida arc is slightly rewritten so a good amount of the early stuff focuses on shiho instead of ann. ann is still the party member but she follows sumi and ryuji into the metaverse because she's worried about what they want with shiho

[simple knoll]

tarot cards are basically vibes

[fresh mulch]

pattern-seeking brain moment

[simple knoll]

most peopel teaching you to do tarot readings will say "just say what you're feeling"

tarot readings are more psychological than spiritual

[fresh mulch]

ingame?

sounds like a lot (says me)

[simple knoll]

i'm gonna do a sumire protag overhaul when wisteria finishes joker over sumire

[fresh mulch]

i was thinking about that mitsuru fangirl in the school hallways. like, they are not being subtle, and this game is old... then i remembered
doesnt it seem a bit TOO common for early 2000s anime to have the love interest with a raging lesbian as her bff that tends to be a bit obsessed with her?

(slightly different but similar ideas)

[simple knoll]

sadly a lot of lesbian crushes in those times were seen as fleeting or as jokes. like oh she'll get over it or oh it's just a little crush no relationship will happen

[strong moat]

femc route just has a lot of common (Japanese) tropes in its romances

[ruby phoenix]

yeah i mean probably tbf

[simple knoll]

lesbains throughout history have a hard timebeing taken seriously

[fresh mulch]

(well the mitsuru fangirl has been a thing since fes at least)

[fresh mulch]

true that...

[strong moat]

oh true yea

[ruby phoenix]

how much are you planning to do for that

[ruby phoenix]

mitsuru fangirl my beloved

is she you also /j

[simple knoll]

i'll send you my thread

[fresh mulch]

>omg gay icon
>looks inside
>stereotypical lesbian (often there to squeeze the male mc's love interest boobies for the male audience in the locker rooms)

[simple knoll]

https://discord.com/channels/746211612981198989/1422815083180068875

[fresh mulch]

nuh uh i more of a pervert than her

[uncut depot]

like woo woo shit in general, in fact :V

[ruby phoenix]

neat

[fresh mulch]

can ai ever truly become sentient if it doesnt learn how to do vibes in order to reinforce its beliefs

[ruby phoenix]

tbf it would probably still be way less than what you're doing

i mean. should be possible. even making the protagonist actually a first year should be possible you just need to like make one first year classroom enterable and lead to the inside of the classroom probably

idk it's still entirely in the planning phase i haven't actually implemented anything aside from some ui changes to violet to mirror kotone's ui changing to pink

[terse shadow]

anyway, good night s

[uncut depot]

gn

[ruby phoenix]

night night lesbians

[simple knoll]

goodnight s

[terse shadow]

any in chat

[simple knoll]

bottom trans lesbians?

[fresh mulch]

(idk im just goofing with the emotes)

[ruby phoenix]

omg that's literally me. except i'm pan

[terse shadow]

🤨 ?

[uncut depot]

bottom trans ace B)

[simple knoll]

how can you be a bottom if you're ace

[uncut depot]

im not explaining my sexuality again just ctrl+f for me saying "bondage"

[ruby phoenix]

kinky asexuals exist source: i am one

[fresh mulch]

this is truly a thread of all time

[simple knoll]

very

where is my crow tag ‼️

there we go

[terse shadow]

ͣ♠️ ?

oceanstuck

[Reply to:](#1440097821834612838 message) bottom trans ace B)

[simple knoll]

i wonder what spade means

[uncut depot]

ace of spades joek

[simple knoll]

...huh

[ruby phoenix]

now THAT'S a server i would be interested in

i like how nocturne is more important than p5d a game that actually has akechi

[simple knoll]

i'm aware of the card

just like

why spades'

ace exists in other suits

[fresh mulch]

do you want me to use every one of them

[simple knoll]

no

this is a very autism question i am realizing

just like why spades

[fresh mulch]

its the coolest

[ruby phoenix]

true i mean it's the symbol of kismesistude

[fresh mulch]

as someone not versed in homestuck this sounds like gibberish

[uncut depot]

understandable have a nice day

[fresh mulch]

its night time dummy

[uncut depot]

as someone who has made it part of her personality, dont read it its bad B)

[ruby phoenix]

it's also one of the longest works in the english language i believe and not worth all that time even if it does have some cool ass things in there

[uncut depot]

ive read umineko length does not deter me

[simple knoll]

jesus christ

i have higurashi and umineko downloaded but i haven't really gotten to either..

[rare oriole]

this is just vn length

[simple knoll]

when i'm not watching house (my current hyperfixation :,)) i am playing ai somnium files so i'm kind of focused on that

[ruby phoenix]

personastuck

[uncut depot]

my ability to binge-read is not what it was half my life ago though, i knocked out most of hs in a hyperfocused haze over like 3 weeks when i was 13 but umi i had to read one section a day for most of a year when i was 22

(i say most of hs because it wasnt finished at the time)

[fresh mulch]

As i grow older the less attention span i seem to have (i say it like im a 50 yo)

[uncut depot]

mood

[fresh mulch]

I should pick up my harutaba fic again

At least better than spending my time playing random games

[terse shadow]

|| it is a !futaba fic btw ||

[fresh mulch]

I cant write her as cis anymore

[ruby phoenix]

implying you could at one point?

[fresh mulch]

When i wasnt cultured, maybe

[fresh mulch]

|| s&m fyi ||

Oh yeah i was going to sleep night bye

[ruby phoenix]

does the m stand for mishima /ref

[uncut depot]

ok now you have to finish it

[terse shadow]

Morning

[uncut depot]

hewwo

[ruby phoenix]

morning girls gays and ESPECIALLY gay girls

[sullen drift]

Futaba bein trans has me thinking of my first beloved Aoi Yuki character, Froppy. I am not a MHA fan as much as I am a Froppy the Rainy Day Hero fan. hand my funko pop even broke her foot right where they removed my ankle.

So I thought Froppy: trans?
Sometime when she is between 3-5 she realizes what’s going on. she asks to use gender neutral and female pronouns. She ends up leaning more towards female and although (Froppy) lives with a feminine identity she is a little genderfluid at heart but mainly feels tha way in costume.

I thought Futaba’s Maruki scenario would be similar.

I can’t explain why I love Froppy so much but I ended up loving the hell out of Futaba when I discovered Aoi Yuki played Futaba too. And I think about Froppy and Futaba. They’re really different characters but I think they would get along.

Froppy is kind of quiet but will make friends with everyone and is very open about how strange her frog powers are and probably anything weird. They would be a great fit.

TLFR: Futaba being trans is awesome

[fresh mulch]

the oracle outfit does look like a frog...

[quiet prism]

Well technically since her quirk gives her the ability of any frog, she could develop that ability since amphibians do have the ability to change their genders depending on their environment for breeding purposes

[neon talon]

https://x.com/meowlmire/status/2013801514926588316?s=46

[sterile mica]

Tweet • meowlmire • FxTwitter

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[fresh mulch]

more butch joker truthers 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[fresh mulch]

they're making the gays frog????

[fresh mulch]

once i have some more time, then maybe i really will...

the world is sorely lacking in gay filth

[fresh mulch]

(wip) the continuation (left video is pre-pt, right video post-pt)

(i've talked about this before, but as a refresher, the current idea is that the okumuras used to be very poor, and Kunikazu (haru's dad) blames his father for what he went through. here im alluding to haru's previous living conditions before okumura struck gold)

[quiet prism]

Yes yes we all know the meme let's put it into the dustbin where it belongs. But technically no, but also somehow yes but they've been doing that even before human intervention

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/whisper-me-a-love-song-sasakoi-sasayaku-you-ni-koi-wo-utau-yuri-kiss-gif-15934775340810758085

happy yuri day

(its every day)

[rare oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/rudosiri-umayuri-yuriuma-sigmayuri-sigma-yuri-gif-12063133977181729167

[fresh mulch]

my alignment chart

is top/bottom the horoscope for gay people

[lunar vector]

Yes.

[fresh mulch]

spoken with true gay authority

[lunar vector]

🧑‍⚖️

[uncut depot]

yes (derogatory)

[fresh mulch]

aigis trans allegory?????

🤔 hmmm what if... there was a homework mechanic?

i'll chew on that idea

😭

[fresh mulch]

huh p5s

i should really get a refresher on it. forgot most of the specifics

(probably will do tactica first tho)

huh i had forgotten about the film festival

which reminds me

i should def be thinking on how i could handle movies

genuine question, how often yall go to the movies in p5?

i could count in one hand

[uncut depot]

i went when invited and when there was a new one for a social stat i needed

[fresh mulch]

i never paid attention to the movie rotation

[uncut depot]

im psure i watched a decent amount of them just because consuming media is just how i like to increase social stats

only like if there was a new one when i checked the theater though since i wanted to explore while stat grinding

[fresh mulch]

hmmm... considering that i am making confidant point requirements much higher here to the point that you should probably invest in gifts often, maybe having movies in specific increase quite a bit of confidant points, together with the solid stat increase 🤔

more than vanilla i mean

tho i wonder if i can go further than just that...

there are multiple movies in theaters after all. maybe having 2 or 3 options of what to watch each month?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

apparently in the og p3 this one gave you academics

sigh pack it up. fes is no longer the definitive version

yes, this was changed in fes

[strong moat]

I'm very surprised at this one bc I completely disagree lmao

[fresh mulch]

i guess its mostly because of the character interactions

[strong moat]

often enough that I felt it wasn't a waste

[strong moat]

maybe but like. eh

[fresh mulch]

i think i only went by myself a handful of times. most of it were from invites

[strong moat]

so you have no reason to go to the movies multiple times a month and I think that's roughly fine

you should only need to watch each movie once

[fresh mulch]

what if you really like that movie tho

[strong moat]

in return it should just give you a lot of social stats (which I thought it did)

[uncut depot]

understandable have a nice day

[strong moat]

then subsequent rewatches shouldn't really reward you nearly as much or at all with social stats

[fresh mulch]

thats why the idea is a rotation of 2 or 3 movies per month. so you would be coming back for other ones

i guess on april i could have only 2 movies? you'd only be bringing either ryuji or haru to watch anyway, so 3 movies is excessive

later months i could have more tho

3 might be the max i do tho

[strong moat]

p4g also does some interesting stuff with movies that is unfortunately overshadowed

[fresh mulch]

... there were movies in p4?

[strong moat]

not sure how relevant it'd be in p5

[strong moat]

p4g. not p4

[fresh mulch]

oh i remember now. next to the jack frost doll crane

[strong moat]

yaaaa

[fresh mulch]

never went there. and if i did it was an invite

[strong moat]

you wouldn't go very often and honestly the P4G movies weren't super valuable but I like the concept of the invites

you bring a party member and they gain a level and iirc a stat increase somewhere

now you can only bring them once a month so it's kinda whatever but

[fresh mulch]

... i never knew that

[strong moat]

also P5R showers you with XP as is

so not very useful in that game

but maybe you can make it useful

[fresh mulch]

cant you invite other slinks in p4?

[strong moat]

imo you could replace some of the jazz club days with that. jazz club is super easy to exploit in P5R especially in ng+

not the skills to be clear

I mean the stat boosts

[fresh mulch]

not sure of what i'll be doing with jazz club anyway. but having movies be another source of party member stat increasing could work

[strong moat]

yeah I think it works nicely bc you can give them a substantial buff if you want

but it only works infrequently

[fresh mulch]

i am worried of inviting non party members could end up not being worth it tho

[strong moat]

I don't think so

P5R social sim is probably the best in the series as is, keep that in mind lol

[fresh mulch]

playing p3p and having confidants finish in 2 seconds really made me realize how good we have it here

[strong moat]

mhm

[fresh mulch]

tanaka's last ranks are like, a few sentences 😭

[strong moat]

now social link wise, P4 clears P5, but I'm talking about the sheer variety of things you can do alone or with other people

perhaps the lack of things to do in P4 is by design but still

P5 is really good about it

[fresh mulch]

one problem i have with p5 is exactly the fact that there is so much stuff you can theoretically do with the confidants, but in the actual game there will be only a few opportunities for these hangouts

the ranks advance too easily

[strong moat]

valid

[fresh mulch]

"you unlocked [hangout spot]"
>never invites anyone there for the whole game

[strong moat]

I think one of my longer standing issues is that there isn't really an incentive to hang out with social links after you max them out. I wish there was.

P5 is the best about it but it still has the same fundamental issue

[strong moat]

I also think tbf with this one, if you aren't following a guide you'll probably see more of those hangout spots

[uncut depot]

i think i did hangouts for like...the room decorations lmao

not so much the actual sl points smh

[fresh mulch]

funny how there is one decoration from shinya that requires you to purposefuly play badly to have a chance lol

[fresh mulch]

eh i wouldnt say its much more but you see enough to remember some ig

[strong moat]

never said it was much more

just more

[fresh mulch]

what i do quite like is that sometimes when hanging out you'll also meet other confidants, and you'll be able to increase some of their points. but i dont remember if these are from the scripted invites or if they can happen naturally when inviting someone

i remember one with takemi appearing on the shrine i think?

holy i forgot how much of a nerd fuuka was

she and aigis should kiss on the lips

[fresh mulch]

okay wtf. the sci fi one gives you charm while the romance one gives you academics????????????

...why

[uncut depot]

that sounds like just an actual-ass mistake lol

[fresh mulch]

the thing is that both gave academics in the og p3

but they changed the scifi one to charm in fes

maybe they changed the wrong one?

[uncut depot]

i was about to say

[uncut depot]

i think its mainly just the invites

[fresh mulch]

holy shit mitsuru is based

[uncut depot]

i completely forgor about this

yeah i like shinya and all but somehow i dont think id do this

im not going out of the way to be near-maxed that soon after meeting him

[fresh mulch]

i have a feeling the decorations might have been an aftertought if this got in

werent they going to also be more interesting or smth? bed covers and rugs i heard?

[fresh mulch]

while ideally you'd incentivize instead of punishing, i think my mod can get away with some punishing.
i was thinking about you losing benefits (including arcana burst) from a confidant if you spend too much time without visiting them again, even at max rank. idk how feasible that is ingame (what do the unused reverses do mechanically here?)

[uncut depot]

they deny arcana burst and some confidant abilities (mainly the kind where you have to go up and ask them to do something)

[fresh mulch]

i think for some like yoshida the confidant will not reverse over time

[fresh mulch]

not all of them?

i guess i can add a flag to the confidant abilities to disable them (like how they do with akechi and sumi)

[uncut depot]

i mean if they teach you a skill then that wouldnt rly make sense to lose :V

[fresh mulch]

what if you have amnesia

[uncut depot]

you just change one of the flags in cmmFunctionTable, yeah

as in theres a flag specifically for whether doubt disables the ability

[fresh mulch]

wait literally?

lmao okay then

[fresh mulch]

obviously mona, igor, sae, and twins also wouldnt

but i was thinking of others that wouldn't make much sense. mostly the adults i think?

[uncut depot]

i actually re'd cmmFunctionTable specifically to see if there was something in it that controlled that lol, and there was a specific bit in a bitfield that was set specifically for abilities i knew to be disabled by it
granted ive not actually tried enabling/disabling it but messing with other flags in that bitfield behaved as expected, so

[strong moat]

I'm not a huge huge fan of the idea, I do think in this case it would be better to give a strong incentive to continue hanging out

[fresh mulch]

the difficult part is finding an incentive

either way i was thinking of using the 'twins give you a phone call to warn you' thing (used for stuff like warning you to take back the persona you put in gay baby jail) to warn you in advance of a confidant being close to reversing? tbf i will try to implement this for most confidants anyway, i just wasnt sure of keeping it post rank 10

[strong moat]

post rank 10 is the issue there

[uncut depot]

theres actually an unused event that seems like it wouldve acted as a warning

tho im not entirely clear on what the flowscript in that event is doing, or at least i remember having questions about it last i looked at it (which was a while ago)

[fresh mulch]

idk the best idea i had for an incentive is confidants having certain social stats they give on a post rank 10 hangout, but that becomes a circular issue because the social stats are mainly used to unlock confidant ranks in the first place

(apparently social stats would've been actually used for demon negotiation, judging by the unused stuff in files)

[uncut depot]

i remember bringing up the idea somewhere of getting persona exp for matching arcana personas proportional to the amount of confidant points you gain. i think i noted that somewhere in the archon doc
idk how one would do that though, especially the second bit

[fresh mulch]

the game should still keep track of confidant points past rank 10 right

it shouldnt reset because there is no more ranks to advance to in theory

(reminder that confidant points are set back to 0 for each rank. so you can't just throw a 100 point gift for rank 2 and get the benefits of it at rank 3 even 💀 )

did anyone actually ever bought a gift in this game?

[uncut depot]

i think i mightve bought them but never used them lmao

just had them to have them

[fresh mulch]

judging by the files, there is a lot going on in this mechanic, and i feel most only saw less than 1% of it

(its a lot of dialogue)

[uncut depot]

apparently this is what i wrote in the archon doc about it

[fresh mulch]

btw if you can try streaming p3p to your phone. it looks less ugly in a tinier screen

[fresh mulch]

just add sae dates. everyone wins then

[uncut depot]

actually let me add "alarm gallows doesnt consume time though, just fuck around in palace until have alarm again"

[fresh mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-3-p3-yukari-takeba-mitsuru-kirijo-yukamitsu-gif-5157389686657477103

yukari says: eat the rich

[mellow pecan]

Eat the rich out*.

[fresh mulch]

hmmm how could i even expand on that in a balanced way... 🤔

another thought came to me of social stats giving a bonus slink points to matching confidant answers... but then i have worries of the mechanic ending up either too overwhelming or too underwhelming...

i might need to straightup test these ideas ingame to get a better feel

okay, let's see. what social stats inherently affects mechanics in the game beyond simple level requirements to unlock a confidant rank?

knowledge - finals scoring like it has been since p3
dexterity-thing i forgot the name - allows to make more tools i think? and dodging ushimaru's chalk

[uncut depot]

proficiency

[fresh mulch]

i dont remember charm, kindness, and guts doing anything by themselves besides being 'you need this to talk with this person'

[grand cipher]

not sure if kindness affected the amount of points given if you choose the correct social answer during a link

[fresh mulch]

hmmm i wonder if i can seamlessly implement mechanics tied to your other social stats

[uncut depot]

definitely not

[fresh mulch]

it doesnt. i dont know where you heard this from

[grand cipher]

myself lol

[fresh mulch]

if anything charm would make more sense too

[mellow pecan]

Will Rei's names for her social stat ranks be different from Ren's? Akin to how Kotone's were different than Makoto's?

[uncut depot]

i think itd be funny if charm affected your pay at jobs though idr if those are more significant in this mod

[fresh mulch]

wait they were???

[uncut depot]

i would think thosed be hardcoded

[fresh mulch]

~~the boss pays you the hotter you are smh my head ~~

[mellow pecan]

I was going to post the non-FANDOM wiki as a source... only for the wiki to post Makoto's twice.

Actually the ranks are correct, they just mislabelled Kotone's.

[fresh mulch]

im unsure if it would just be tedious replacement, not too much hardcoding (regardless i wouldnt do it anyway)

[uncut depot]

i mean the right is obviously kotones lol, i know queen bee

[fresh mulch]

ah yes, the two genders
male protagonist and male protagonist

[ruby phoenix]

funny ken is saying that because there's evidence to suggest a theory that amada might be a transfem egg

[uncut depot]

"theory"

[fresh mulch]

hold on what???

[ruby phoenix]

maybe you could invite your friends over to hang out and do homework together?

[fresh mulch]

hmmm idk i was thinking of more homework by your lonesome really

(plus i want it to be able to be done in the evening)

[grand cipher]

now that's a idea

You get different stat points depending on if you invite one person, the whole group, or do it by yourself

[ruby phoenix]

so true

sees girls polycule???

[fresh mulch]

i've shown here before that you can't just shoo leblanc costumers away. so the days they are there, you are locked out of downstairs activity. i was wondering if i could make a 'do the homework' thing on your workbench in your room or smth, so you have this option for those days (this raises the question of why rei needs to be specifically in that one chair downstairs to read any books. autism?)

[fresh mulch]

unironically my p3r plans

they all mostly work well with each other tbh

[grand cipher]

well brojiro DID say the counter is a comfortable place to read.

and rei picks the chair closest to the bookshelf

[fresh mulch]

tbf i unironically can't just not eat on my side of the table

if i must i just stand up instead (for stuff like bread not full meals lol)

its not too unreasonable to not be into reading a book in the attic

[grand cipher]

read a book on the couch

[fresh mulch]

funny that i swore this was thing before, but it's not

[grand cipher]

if yusuke can sleep on it. we can read on it

[fresh mulch]

anyway reading on the couch is not that fun. you have nowhere to rest your arms in the first place. and if you do rest them on your lap, you'll be looking down and get the 🦐 posture

what if, for ultra realism sake, i gave rei a random chance to spend all night doomscrolling and get depressed for the rest of the next day

[grand cipher]

depressed as in, she refuses to go outside and just sleeps?

[fresh mulch]

yes and misses school || /j btw ||

[uncut depot]

stop i dont want that much friction

[grand cipher]

would the miss school give some sort of penalty?

[fresh mulch]

okay i'll settle with making the player be randomly called a slur at school instead

[ruby phoenix]

replace sleeping with doomscrolling. it has no benefit

[grand cipher]

replace doomscrolling with doom game. it has no benefit

[ruby phoenix]

yes this includes when morgana makes you go the fuck to sleep. rei just doomscrolls in bed until she passes the fuck out

[fresh mulch]

is she scrolling xitter or reddit

[grand cipher]

reddit since reddits considered canon in 5

[ruby phoenix]

actually she's based so she's scrolling tumblr

[fresh mulch]

yeah she looks like a tumblr user tbf

[uncut depot]

you joke but i had to forcibly limit the tumblr app on my phone because i would just actually lose my entire afternoon to it

[ruby phoenix]

i love how akechi is literally canonically a redditor. and also canonically pirates movies. my lawyers have advised me not to share my opinion on that part

[fresh mulch]

what if instead of reading books rei just reads e-rated ao3 fanfics instead

[grand cipher]

what dialogue said he pirated movies again?

[ruby phoenix]

i mean yea tumblr is a social media you can lose shit tons of time to any social media if you're not careful

[uncut depot]

i am aware

[fresh mulch]

this is a thing everyone does right? right?????

[ruby phoenix]

not dialogue. his phone texture has the reddit app and an app for pirating movies on it. and also the meta-nav it's not just an unedited developer phone screenshot

[fresh mulch]

i dont think thats supposed to be 'canon'

[uncut depot]

i mean be fr how often do you actually see his phone screen ingame though

[ruby phoenix]

true but it's funny to call it canon anyway

[grand cipher]

so that means a developer is a Phantom Thief!

[ruby phoenix]

my lawyers are still advising me to keep quiet about my opinions on piracy and those who partake. unrelated i do know how torrents work

[grand cipher]

...are your lawyers the men in black suits?

[fresh mulch]

i mean, if textures you are not supposed to see are canon, then i guess that ann wearing teddy bear print panties is canon according to her Summer Shujin model

||me when i spread misinformation||

[ruby phoenix]

why only e rated

oh wait

[uncut depot]

my autistic ass taking multiple seconds to process the joke

[ruby phoenix]

e is explicit on ao3

nvm i get it now

[fresh mulch]

rated e for adults obviously

[fresh mulch]

||she just wears black shorts btw||

btw is it legit a thing for girls to go out with only skirt and underwear???? that sounds stupid

feels like an anime invention

[uncut depot]

??

[grand cipher]

I'm not gonna look that up on the account of FBI being a thing

[uncut depot]

what are u even referencing

[fresh mulch]

not having shorts beneath the skirt

i always have something there

[uncut depot]

i do that all the time

[ruby phoenix]

sometimes but i usually wear boxers underneath so it's kinda different

[uncut depot]

i was confused because i misunderstood that as like. topless

idk how

[fresh mulch]

topless????

[grand cipher]

topless but below the belt.

[terse shadow]

less

[fresh mulch]

TIL

[jagged kraken]

some girls get to go out topless but like only ones not on e.

butch girlkisser

[Reply to:](#1440097821834612838 message) topless????

[fresh mulch]

i can attest to you, you wouldnt be locked up for looking at panties online

[grand cipher]

not the panties, but I mean the anime thing with the no censored panties

[fresh mulch]

you wont either

[fresh mulch]

took me a while to get it

[grand cipher]

I still don't lol

I ain't good at getting those jokes

[fresh mulch]

you can flash only when you dont have boba

free the female-presenting nipples

[ruby phoenix]

i wanna see girls topless both because i'm against sexism AND for pervert reasons those aren't mutually exclusive /j

[fresh mulch]

/srs

imagine another reality where guys showing their tits everywhere was considered inappropriate. how would someone from that reality react to this one

[ruby phoenix]

||futaba is a power bottom|| i mean wait whaaat who said that

[grand cipher]

must have been medjed who said it

[fresh mulch]

||i... i can see it...||

[grand cipher]

well is she one or a power range-oh sorry, a Featherman?

[fresh mulch]

anyway, good night you homosex

[ruby phoenix]

gay night (same thing

may you have many dreams of pretty girls

[terse shadow]

🔥 🔥

[grand cipher]

gay night and homosex.

right then.

[fresh mulch]

cant guarantee it. but i will

[strong moat]

if the mechanic sounds cool, throw it in imo and see how it plays out in practice. hard to conceptually balance something out

[strong moat]

this is how it works in later versions of P3. max charm = more s.link points

[mellow pecan]

Have some yuri to sleep to.

[rare oriole]

"...and then they date the same guy, at the same time~" -✍️ atlus

[ruby phoenix]

polyamory is so rad. if only they like. actually acknowledged it as that

[fresh mulch]

Okay which intern snuck this in

[fresh mulch]

Deadass i dont trust the writers to not make polyamory just harem bs with a coat of paint. Better to keep it the way it is imo

Morning homosex

[fresh mulch]

"You see, cheating is based but i draw the line at gay people"

(Allowing you to cheat with the only consequence ever being one day with a guilt trip scene is basically endorcing it lets be real. They couldve just not allowed you to cheat like every other game)

How tf am i supposed to take the social sim part seriously if everyone still loves you after cheating on them 😭 (p5 is the worst one about this, because the gfs are all in the same room)

Even eroges have more consequences