#[P5R PC] Royal Restoration Project (SPOILERS)

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slow wren
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my bad I was thinking of the second verse

vital harbor
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simple orchid
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The second verse is 100% shuake yes

vital harbor
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shuake artists casually making masterpieces:

slow wren
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also well it makes sense for the credits song to be from the main character's perspective

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not the guy he just beat up lol

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worthy mist
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In conversation, the main ones used are “オレ or 俺(ORE)”, “私 (WATASHI)”, and “僕 or ボク (BOKU)”. For high school girls, it's “あたし (Atashi)”, “あーし (a-shi)”, and “ウチ (Uchi)”.
These are probably the most common ones.

slow wren
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"a bit suggestive"

vital harbor
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ok their clothes aren't off it's not that bad

golden frost
vital harbor
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btw lyn told me she didn't even render that she literally did that in the game's engine and took a screenshot

golden frost
vital harbor
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black magic

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same

slow wren
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before you posted it I was confused bc I thought you were talking about Lyn Inaizumi

golden frost
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lol

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slow wren
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remember when this thread was about unused content
as it progresses, the probability of a thread becoming about shuake approaches 1

golden frost
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as it should

vital harbor
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what did I say about project threads becoming glorified group chats

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I think we gathered shuake shippers here by coincidence though LMAO

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though it is the most popular ship... so it's more likely than not

worthy mist
simple orchid
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There's a scene where Julian and Angel steal ryuji's phone and pretend to be him with atashi, it is, um
Noticeable

slow wren
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I never cared about shipping and I didn’t get it after having watched my brother play P5. But then I played P5R and was like "…are they implying?" every time Akechi had a confidant event

golden frost
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i was aware of it being derived from watashi, i just wasnt sure how it comes off

vital harbor
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though I think you're just as likely to find a shuake shipper as to an akechi hater
there's a lot in this server

slow wren
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Also this thread partially started with the refuge temple thing so it makes sense

golden frost
slow wren
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speaking of which, what about the event where Haru goes to Shinjuku

simple orchid
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Stan lalachan

vital harbor
golden frost
simple orchid
slow wren
vital harbor
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and for a game about FREEDOM they should let me date MEN

worthy mist
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It's common for the Shinjuku monster to use “Atashi” to emphasize femininity.

golden frost
vital harbor
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shinjuku monster 😭 I think you mean predator

silk jacinth
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atlus is funny bcs they will have blatant homophobia while being the same studio that made aigis's social link in kotone p3p route

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simple orchid
vital harbor
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and ryoji and makoto

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and akihiko and shinji

silk jacinth
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last 2 ships i dont like but yeah 💔

vital harbor
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you... you don't like akishinji

silk jacinth
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no bcs hes mine

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im an akiham stan and that was partially definitely influenced by the fact i could romance him

vital harbor
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lololol

silk jacinth
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but also i genuinely fucking

vital harbor
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I don't really have that standard. I ship multiple ships at once

silk jacinth
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thought aki and shinji were brothers (despite the last name difference) until near the end of p3p

worthy mist
silk jacinth
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so that permanently ruined my perception of akishinji, even now

vital harbor
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I also like makoto/akihiko... I ship Joker with everyone honestly

silk jacinth
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i ship no one with (p3) makoto i hope he dies alone 😔

vital harbor
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not even ryoji???

silk jacinth
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i said id ont like that ship...

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bcs i hate ryoji

vital harbor
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he basically confesses his love to nakoto in p3r and it's beautiful

silk jacinth
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like put me in a room with him and there'll be a murder scene

vital harbor
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rip

silk jacinth
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its literally only bcs he leaves a bad first impression esp in kotone route

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silk jacinth
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but yeah i would never ship thast freak with anyone

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like its on sight.

vital harbor
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I would go to lala if I was in danger she'd protect me

silk jacinth
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i say as i have

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vital harbor
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that's a very funny image of him

silk jacinth
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now that i think about it... i dont have a whole lot of ships i actively... ship

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for p3 its like
akihamu
yukaigis
yukamitsu
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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vital harbor
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yukamitsu <3

silk jacinth
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i have a ship tier list but i dont wanna post here bcs it would probably get even more off topic

vital harbor
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man who even cares atp

silk jacinth
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but im usually outspoken on my opinions. this is because i am different and more unique than everyone else. im not like the other girls

worthy mist
silk jacinth
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my gasme keeps crashing omfgg

vital harbor
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aren't gay crossdressers in Japan called "okama"?

golden frost
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about that

vital harbor
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...is that a bad word

simple orchid
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I've heard that - is derogatory but then again crossroads is called nyuukama iirc

vital harbor
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is it like a reclaiming type thing

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simple orchid
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I don't know, i don't even pretend to understand the jp gay scene

vital harbor
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...
it took me this long to figure out cross in crossroads refers to crossdressing

golden frost
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also meeting the devil at a crossroads

simple orchid
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... Omg

vital harbor
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woah

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if only ohya was actually cool

golden frost
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ohya and kayo had a thing, in this essay i will--

simple orchid
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Also those two lawyers just lurking outside crossroads, i love them

worthy mist
golden frost
# golden frost yeah i was about to say

like i almost used it as the id for the config option but idk how id feel about breaking open the code of a mod and being jumpscared with f*g as a variable name
well
i wouldnt be jumpscared by that specific word bc im on tumblr too much but a hypothetical average person...

simple orchid
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slow wren
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My understanding is it has generally been used as a way to insult men perceived as effeminate (whether gay, trans, crossdressing, etc), almost like a character archetype, but has been somewhat reclaimed by those people like how "queer" was. Except "queer" in English is now more acceptable for anyone to say

simple orchid
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worthy mist
vital harbor
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secret hobbies

simple orchid
simple orchid
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golden frost
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silk jacinth
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this isnt protag sumi inclusive since i made this like at the start of this year, i just moved some things around and duped annsumi

worthy mist
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In the English version, the two in Shinjuku are
“Julian” and “Angel”?

vital harbor
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what is shuake doing down there... and royal trio... my otp's...

simple orchid
silk jacinth
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shuake is at the top though

vital harbor
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oh I looked at that wrong

silk jacinth
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royal trio is in hell bcs i dont ship them esp not poly

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they have my fav dynamic out of any group though

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although arc 1/early arc 2 PTs and SEES juniors are a close second

slow wren
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Animal Crossing has the giraffe character who was localized to just be a snooty fashionista but in Japan she's an okama (hence why she gives you flashy clothes), considered male, and they rumor her real name is essentially a slur. なべのすけ nabe from onabe the female version of okama, suke means "chick" in a rough way and also since it's a common name suffix it can mean "guy who [is known for] x". So someone said, which I think is about right, that it's basically equivalent to saying "tr*nny chick".

vital harbor
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i got in an argument on twitter about poly royal trio. I'm very passionate

silk jacinth
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to be honest i just dont like any hetero sumi ship let alone with akechi

vital harbor
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animal crossing...

silk jacinth
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i dont really have many opinions on sumire ships though

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and for shusumi its leaning much more towards dislike

slow wren
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The localizers changed Gracie's rumored name to "Gretchen Gruntch" (in addition to just making her female, so I like to think she's trans)

silk jacinth
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definitely feels like a more... guy oriented hetero ship which i am not the audience for

simple orchid
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I really don't have the ship gene, i hang out with shuake ppl bc they understand akechi best so i caught it like measles lmao

silk jacinth
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i only have a few im really super adamant about

worthy mist
silk jacinth
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the rest i like or do not gaf abt bcs i have low reaction to romance (most of the time. this changes if i watch a romance anime or movie)

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but generally im icked out by romance (for my own personal reasons, and im aroace) so thats reflected in some of the fiction i experience

worthy mist
# simple orchid Yes

In the Japanese version, they're Angela and Juliana.
There's a subtle difference.

simple orchid
vital harbor
simple orchid
simple orchid
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golden frost
vital harbor
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I talk so much about slash ships my friends basically associate yaoi with my personality

simple orchid
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worthy mist
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lolol

golden frost
simple orchid
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Those Guys Nobody Likes In Shinjuku

vital harbor
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localizers seem to make things less gay and/or more homophobic sometimes

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simple orchid
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I cry for akechi's little would you like that? after rank 3, tbh idk if it was gay in jp but it sounded Hella Gay in English

vital harbor
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fake nitro really fucking sucks sorry I used it at one point and just caved to paying $30 of basic for a year bc it'd always do that

golden frost
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i knew the emote would do that and i did it anyway because skob is funny

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silk jacinth
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it feels wrong seeing joker again

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vital harbor
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I open the video and it's his "I'm alone right noe" text gay mofo

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simple orchid
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that's so much gayer???

simple orchid
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That would be fun, right? How about it? Would you like that?

golden frost
simple orchid
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It gave me the feel of hin twirling his hair around his finger lmao going would you like that ~

vital harbor
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he doesn't seem to say that in English. he says "I would be dictating everything, from hair to accessories"

silk jacinth
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losing my mind trying to figure out wtf is causing this crash

vital harbor
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the "would you like that" is not there

worthy mist
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I like how Joker's expression in his awakening scene reminds me of Lelouch

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simple orchid
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silk jacinth
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wtf even was his rank 3 in vanilla

golden frost
silk jacinth
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tbhats

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sad

golden frost
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wait

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no actually that might be 2

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traumadump 3?

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idfr lmfao

simple orchid
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https://www.tumblr.com/vashtijoy/709510071784226816/wait-how-did-i-not-notice-he-says-hair-hes-going?source=share

Vashti's Web

🔁 nymphomanik

nymphomanik

how does anyone think akechi is homophobic or angstily closeted he flirted with ren for months and has manic pixie dream boy dance routine. he loves being gay so much

vashtijoy

Yeah, I think Akechi is a. obviously gay, and b. it’s just a weapon to him. It’s something he can use; it’s part of the trap he’s building for Joker.

Let's talk about confidant stage 3. This is the first of two points when the confidant changes direction: we've had three stages of "getting to know each other", and we're heading into three stages of "Akechi shares personal information".

But mainly I just want to leave this line here. This is from the phone call _after_​ confidant stage 3, after Joker shoves his hands in Akechi’s hair and changes the direction of their relationship. When Akechi _freaks out _​and then huddles in silence while his fans have an entire conversation:...

vashtijoy

WAIT HOW DID I NOT NOTICE HE SAYS HAIR

HE’S GOING TO DICTATE EVERYTHING FROM _HAIR_​ TO ACCESSORIES

AND THE ACCESSORIES ARE THE GLASSES

OH MY GOD HAHAHAHAHAHA

Anyway yes, Joker messing up Akechi’s hair gets to him more than a little.

-# #persona 5 #p5 meta #shuake #goro akechi #ren amamiya #HOW DID I FAIL TO NOTICE HE SAYS HAIR WTF PAST ME

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golden frost
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and i actually played ps3

vital harbor
silk jacinth
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numbered traumadumps skob

simple orchid
vital harbor
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they fight over who tops every time the have sex fr fr

slow wren
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Akechi is a homophobic homosexual

simple orchid
vital harbor
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no no now I need a mod that all it does is add back
"would you like that?"
that's it. that's the mod

golden frost
vital harbor
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to be fair I also wanted to a make a mod called "no more shuake subtext" where I make akechi and joker's interactions as gay as possible

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slow wren
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In a livestream when ||Akechi showed up in the Maruki ending at the graduation|| I saw someone say "THEY TURNED HIM STRAIGHT"

golden frost
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WHEEZE

simple orchid
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Akechi glomming to haru in that ending

vital harbor
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I was so mad when good boy akechi was in maruki ending THAT'S NOT JOKER'S WIIISHH

simple orchid
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Which reminds me i have a fic to beta today... augh

slow wren
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Maruki says "you two share a very special relationship" and then probably does friendzone them (clueless)

golden frost
vital harbor
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ok I have yet to find someone who played p5 on a ps3 then

golden frost
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my ps4 is a p5 machine lmao

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theoretically i can also play kh on it but i never did

simple orchid
vital harbor
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I wanted to buy a ps4 exclusively for p5r before it was ported to pc

worthy mist
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In the deleted data, after the Sido Palace, Akechi was working part-time at some rural coffee shop...

golden frost
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hm?

vital harbor
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ECUSEBME

simple orchid
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It's a coffee shop??

worthy mist
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I only skimmed the text, so I'm not sure lol

simple orchid
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Is it the kakekomidera scene you mean

vital harbor
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the akechi content they took from us...

worthy mist
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I recall the text being something like: Akechi headed to Tokyo after telling the shop owner he was going to participate in the petition for Joker's release.

simple orchid
golden frost
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e470_810

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i didnt remember the id offhand, i had to look at my own scheduler hook lmao

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coffee shop doesnt rly make sense with the field lmao

simple orchid
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I'd laugh if it was actually a coffee shop tho, it would be kind of cool

vital harbor
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oh you're talking about the refuge scene

vital harbor
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I should fix that lol

simple orchid
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We love the guy standing in the bath

vital harbor
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I have a feeling they just threw the models in and didn't do much else since it was a prototype

simple orchid
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Yeah

worthy mist
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For the content of E470_810, a darkened screen with text might be acceptable.

simple orchid
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But still. We stan a standing in the bath king

golden frost
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we restored it

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last friday (my time)

vital harbor
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yeah friday

haughty fossilBOT
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(oh yeah vashti, thought youd want to know)

Faz

we refuging with this

Jump

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vital harbor
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I know Japan is likea day ahead though...

simple orchid
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Aww faz you King

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I wouldn't say Temple tho, it's not a temple

golden frost
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sorry, thats on me

simple orchid
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They were (iirc?? have i misunderstood the whole thing????) historically temples but there's no sign that that is one

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... I think anyway

vital harbor
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I still find it funny everyone was so desperate for akechi to get professional help we hallucinated him going to rehab into existance

worthy mist
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The role of the friend who cheers Akechi on while crying...

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simple orchid
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It. Might also be a coffee shop

golden frost
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coffee shop with a bath that fully clothed men stand in adachi_true

simple orchid
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Akechi has been to so many places in that scene now lmao

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Akechi world tour

golden frost
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he did say in was it maniax or smth that he wanted to travel the world adachi_true

golden frost
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ok now ive reblogged it B)

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simple orchid
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Men get wet event

vital harbor
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we need more male fan service in persona

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I'll put them all in towels then download restored outfit dialogue to see akechi die of embarrassment

golden frost
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the bath has no water so i guess if theyd given the guy a mop itd make sense

vital harbor
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...mopping the bath?

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actually

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for a bath that big I suppose

simple orchid
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It's a big public bath so

vital harbor
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the brush thing I use to clean the tub isn't too far off from a mop

golden frost
simple orchid
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A mystery

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I think they are definitely placeholder models tbh

golden frost
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yeah i figure but its still funny

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i feel like the will seed scenes would probably have younger ruler models instead of placeholder ones too if theyd made it to final game

simple orchid
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Akechi wouldn't go to any rehab/hospital/refuge/coffee shop/ryokan where people don't mop the bath in a suit

golden frost
simple orchid
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golden frost
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those were reasonably recent tho

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some of madarames scenes have an obvious placeholder model which tracks with him being old in the game's present lol

simple orchid
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Lmaodarame

golden frost
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the pts in the first kamoshida scene mention that he looks younger too and that itd have to be way in the past (not long after he got medal), though that one just uses regular kamoshida assets so i assume its not so far back that itd break suspension of disbelief to not make new model

simple orchid
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They say the same about maruki iirc

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What about scaling down the model

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Tiny pocket kamoshida

golden frost
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oh god

golden frost
simple orchid
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Urge to do micchiri neko with tiny scaled down palace rulers

golden frost
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snrk

simple orchid
golden frost
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yeah

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so i think maybe theyd have done bustup but not model, or model would have different outfit but mostly same height and build

simple orchid
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Yeah

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Are we sure there isn't a model

golden frost
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uhhhhh

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i mean if there is idk why the evt uses regular model

simple orchid
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Truth

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Ok I'm going to lock my phone in a box and beta this fic \o gl

golden frost
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aight glhf

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btw i should point out that if you get all madarame seeds then pre-bossfight dialogue should change to acknowledge it
||because the last one is literally yusuke's mother's death||

slow wren
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yeah, and thing is that scene's voiced

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Not impossible but makes it more difficult

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It could still be worth Madarame telling it from his perspective but Yusuke would have to not be learning it for the first time (though he'd still be understandably very upset in the moment)

runic mist
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I need to know what it is now this is crazy

simple orchid
slow wren
runic mist
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the main scenario writer of royal follows me on twitter I’m going to dm him and ask directly JokersGirlfriendPraying

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( I wont )

simple orchid
simple orchid
runic mist
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LOL

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maybe…

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simple orchid
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yeah, it's some sort of place that has a bathhouse unless they went super wild with the placeholders

slow wren
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Ask him "what did you mean by this"

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vital harbor
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maruki writing his shuake fanfiction

slow wren
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No see that’s the thing
He gets they have an "unusual" relationship, but is clueless and thinks it's actually just "rivalry"
hence why ||he turns Akechi straight in the bad ending||

simple orchid
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wonders ... is there some kind of metaphor with rank 6 and then akechi ending up in a place with an empty bath... don't "the curtains are blue" me ...

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he knows akechi wished to be with ren and the others rip

slow wren
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no way metaphor mention

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simple orchid
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THE CURTAINS MATTER

vital harbor
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even if the author intended for the curtains to just be blue you're allowed to interpret it in any way you want

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as long as you have an argument

simple orchid
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rank 6: akechi is in a nice bath with ren baring his soul
e410_810 or w/e: akechi is ALONE with an EMPTY BATH and some placeholder guy

vital harbor
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standing in the bath

slow wren
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there's a difference between "the curtains are blue as an allusion to the villain wearing blue" and "the blue shade of the curtains represents the love and strife the main characters go through in this essay I will"

simple orchid
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asking us to love him ok no

vital harbor
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lol

simple orchid
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the curtains are blue to set the visual mood of lowkey despair and misery

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thus they represent yadda yadda etc etc

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turns around and stares at my blue curtains

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simple orchid
slow wren
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||too bad the point it's making is missing from the part of the story where it's actually relevant||

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simple orchid
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how they would be controlled if maruki won

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it's a chilling little scene

slow wren
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I must have missed this, where was it?

simple orchid
# slow wren I must have missed this, where was it?

translation at the bottom https://www.tumblr.com/vashtijoy/768547708909879296/extremely-random-thought-but-do-you-think-that?source=share

Vashti's Web

-# ↩ 👤

Extremely random thought but do you think that cringy fanfictions written by preteens who then grew up to be embarassed adults would have never existed in the Marukiverse, considering how that art student who was in a slump was forcibly pivoted to archery instead?

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wow, goddamn. I guess you could take it either way, couldn't you? Maruki does seem to think that struggling against the odds isn't worth it, and that depression and discouragement are best treated by giving up.

I do tend to think that Maruki is able to tell what people truly want, to somehow divine it out of their heads, even before 12/24—just because all of the kids _get_​ something they really want, even when it's not necessarily obvious. Maruki makes some startling judgements there, but the PTs all seem to agree that they were genuine temptations.

So my reading would tend be that Yusuke's artist friend really did think he might have been happier as an archer, and really did believe there was no hope for him in art—but, just...

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slow wren
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I'm very disappointed to see that chat was cut

simple orchid
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i know ;;; it would have been so good

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i think probably they thought it made it too obvious that maruki's reality is bad actually?

slow wren
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Between stuff like that and "there's not a good or bad ending just an accept or deny ending" it feels kinda like… they didn’t want to upset people who agree with Maruki too much

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simple orchid
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bizarre for p5 when you think about it

vital harbor
# slow wren This is honestly one of my favorite scenes in the game and I only caught it on a...

there's an important distinction in his dialogue I find interesting: "assimilating the unwilling". maruki thinks that he isn't doing this. he gives the option to Joker, saying that he won't do what Joker doesn't want, but... he doesn't really mean it. he constantly tries to convince Joker and even fights him for it. he never wanted to give Joker a choice.
this is stealth authoritarianism, which we're seeing more of in modern day (even in america). it's the illusion of individuals having a choice when they really don't

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I just blue curtained

worthy mist
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simple orchid
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And if it was deleted, it may be that that is a first draft translation, and never edited or improved

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machine translation for japanese was not at its best 10 years ago, so I hope they didn't use it

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simple orchid
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like a lot of ppl are like i, who have disability/trauma/bad things, would like maruki to fix me

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simple orchid
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but as a disability/trauma/bad things ... maruki will do what he wants, what he thinks you want

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
— C.S. Lewis

simple orchid
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c s lewis klaxon

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i love that quote

golden frost
vital harbor
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idk this guy but he sounds based

simple orchid
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he's a christian theologian

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he wrote narnia!

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i like his books but i do also often throw them at the wall, they're like that lol

vital harbor
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my parents have a giant bookshelf (they're nerds) and there's a fucking CHONKER book that is all of the Narnia books in one

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I should read it

simple orchid
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i have a really fancy box set of the narnia books that i cherish

golden frost
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ill joke about maruki accepting when im feeling particularly doomerish but i dont sincerely think itd be a good idea lol

simple orchid
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this fic i'm betaing is maruki ending and it's like peak psychological horror

golden frost
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nice

vital harbor
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I need to read that

golden frost
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hey have you read youve got me seeing through different eyes

simple orchid
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I HAVE READ THAT

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it's stunning

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is that the one where he's like "can i even say no to you now"

golden frost
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yea

vital harbor
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I wrote a fic on the maruki missed deadline ending that I (honestly wanna go back and rewrite) still really like

simple orchid
slow wren
vital harbor
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first fic I published

simple orchid
simple orchid
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protect them

slow wren
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ok you want to hear something funny
I was talking to my new therapist about what games I liked and I explained P5 and she said "you definitely have a Palace"

simple orchid
golden frost
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ive had "maruki trying to maintain this shit over the long term but it becomes increasingly apparent why this was a bad idea" as one of those fic ideas ive never gotten around to

golden frost
slow wren
vital harbor
golden frost
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oh yeah, line from a philosophytube video that i found funny because i immediately thought of maruki lmfao

vital harbor
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PHILOSIPHYTUBE

slow wren
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I think what I said is, to have a whole Palace you have to have delusions that outright distort your view of reality. But people can still have distorted desires that begin to consume them. I'm probably holed up in a corner of Mementos.

vital harbor
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send me that video I love studying totalitarianism and fascism hehe

golden frost
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a distorted desire is rly just the motive part of motivated cognition tbh

vital harbor
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what you see with your eyes is only half the picture. your brain fills in the rest

golden frost
# vital harbor send me that video I love studying totalitarianism and fascism hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBjQBa23cOw its one of the jefferson ones, i think this one

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slow wren
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Maruki CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy)

vital harbor
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I feel like I had a conversation about this before...

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about changing hearts being very forced and quick cognitive behavioral therapy

golden frost
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yeah lol that was a while back in #p5-modding-chat

slow wren
golden frost
slow wren
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As Sophia says to Konoe
He and EMMA change people's minds by imprisoning them (under his own rule)
The Phantom Thieves set their targets free

vital harbor
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I haven't finished strikers so idk anything about that yet

slow wren
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whoopsies
well from the start you learn the villains are brainwashing people to believe what they want so basically that, also applies to Maruki

vital harbor
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I might have a slightly distorted world view. I actually just got a full neuropsych evaluation (to get diagnosed with autism) and learned I have a... I forgot what it's called... I'll just say low view of myself. a mild insuperiority complex

worthy mist
# simple orchid my reading is that the english translation in e470_810 is not very good? there s...

About “E470_810”

“a place of refuge”
is a metaphor for a place where people who have faced difficulties in the past come to heal their wounded hearts, a place to spend time quietly away from the clamor of the world.
A shop with a similar concept to Café Leblanc. This is how it can be interpreted in Japanese.

Also, the last part,
“I'm going to go clean the shop,”
refers to the cleaning done outside the store, often performed before opening hours at small restaurants and similar establishments.

slow wren
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Personally I believe it's less likely the literal action of stealing the Treasure is actually what causes the change of heart, but rather the ruler's Shadow's cognition is affected by the fact it's able to be and is actively being stolen, and then being defeated when they try to protect it

simple orchid
vital harbor
simple orchid
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It could easily be a metaphor

vital harbor
simple orchid
vital harbor
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it is 6 am and I get up at 11:30 for class

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"I'll have afternoon classes so I don't have to wake up so early!" I say as I stay up until 6 am

vital harbor
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what are they called? where you go to wash your hair and stuff

simple orchid
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Showers?

vital harbor
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no

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like

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the little buckets you sit on and wash your hair

simple orchid
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It would be nice to think he's at a bathhouse... is it the same bathhouse he went to when he was a kid???

slow wren
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It seems like historically kakekomidera were actual temples that were places to flee to for safety/refuge, particularly for women. But it would make sense for it to also be a metaphor, whether for what the place is meant to be for its visitors, or for Akechi personally

vital harbor
simple orchid
golden frost
golden frost
vital harbor
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exist in America too

simple orchid
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he says they took him in without an appointment, i think?

slow wren
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If you want to add it to the list, I've seen someone call it a "halfway home"
which uh not quite

simple orchid
worthy mist
vital harbor
simple orchid
slow wren
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That’s really interesting about the social stat

simple orchid
vital harbor
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the people there seem to be in the same situation as akechi, so I get the vibe the people they take in become "employees" possibly to help them get back on their feet with a job and pay

golden frost
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maybe its a fucking ryokan after all lol

simple orchid
vital harbor
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a ryokan fronting as a place like that makes sense

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I mean it has to be big enough to provide lounging. just a bathhouse might be too small

worthy mist
simple orchid
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it sounds like more than a coffee shop from the whole of the scene

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like, it's not a situation where he is working in a coffee shop, all the other stuff they describe and allude to is happening

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even if he is working in a coffee shop

vital harbor
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mugi is it common for Japan to have places for abuse victims to go to? there's one in my city (which is why I know so much)

simple orchid
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it's a soft place where he is safe and protected and where HE KNEW he could go to be safe and protected

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like his mom went there

vital harbor
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I always imaged akechi's mom as some kind of sex worker (why she got pregnant with a politician's kid) so I can see her trying to get out of it from time to time

simple orchid
golden frost
vital harbor
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oh right I forgot he just says it

golden frost
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it stops just short of akechi using the literal words "my mother was a sex worker"

simple orchid
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he says mizu shoubai iirc which is. pretty clear

worthy mist
vital harbor
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mugi is like a ghost somehow I cannot see them typing

simple orchid
slow wren
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I feel like there isn’t a specific word in English that applies here, but broadly "shelter" is accurate.

simple orchid
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yeah, shelter, refuge, any of the words that we use

golden frost
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id prob go with shelter then since that connotes a specific type of facility

vital harbor
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I think refuge works for now. people can interpret it how they want

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or shelter

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yeah shelter sounds more like what I'm thinking of

simple orchid
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it maybe isn't a place with "refuge" stamped on the front but . that is the function it serves for the people they take in and protect in whatever way

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the reason i chose refuge btw is because that's a word i'm accustomed to, is that BrE only?

vital harbor
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refuge has too much of like... a war connotation? lol. shelter seems more in tune with an escape for people wanting to avoid attention

golden frost
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nah yanks say it too

simple orchid
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shelter would be completely fine i think

slow wren
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It could be a ryokan-styled shelter

simple orchid
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i'm just glad i got "sweep up outside" right lmao

golden frost
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but shelter imo evokes eg. "domestic violence shelter" whereas refuge doesnt evoke any specific comparable facility

vital harbor
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i think that's what most places call it. homeless shelter, abuse victim shelter, children's shelter...

simple orchid
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but all we know is. that sure is a bath and a big garden

worthy mist
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Judging from the text,
it seems likely this was a shop he often visited during the time he spent with his mother.
Perhaps it was a place that served him meals on credit even when he had no money, or a place where he could linger for hours without issue.

simple orchid
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it sounds as if mamakechi ran out without paying her bills 😭 since akechi is now paying them for her

vital harbor
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I like that idea but the dialogue of the employees says otherwise to me "people like us" implies many people come there for the same purpose

golden frost
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yeah it seems like a structured facility specifically for sheltering people. akechi isnt the only one taking refuge there, the other 2 people in the scene are too

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it just possibly has an outward-facing business in addition

vital harbor
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like witness protection!

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police do a bit more extensive stuff than sheltering tho. they give new identities, jobs, etc. but a small place like this would probably only offer shelter and a job

simple orchid
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especially if mama was doing illegal sex work, the idea of her having a safe place she could go back to... oh my heart

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no questions asked

golden frost
simple orchid
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it wasn't :C

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she did a moonlight flit with him... and then she no longer had any support?

vital harbor
worthy mist
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Stores that provide meals and lodging to those in need without regard for profit are not uncommon in stories created in Japan.

simple orchid
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that's so nice

vital harbor
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oh I just had the worst idea. she found out she was pregnant again and... ough

simple orchid
golden frost
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NO

simple orchid
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even if they aren't charging him 😭

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like, he's mr give and take after all

golden frost
simple orchid
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yes exactly

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he's going back because he owes ren

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like they say, that's just what he's like

worthy mist
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Cafes, bars, restaurants, inns, and other establishments that sell themselves on such “義理人情（Giri-Ninjou）” are incredibly helpful when creating stories.
It can be inferred that Akechi was staying there partly to repay the kindness shown to him and his mother in the past.

golden frost
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an inn seems like the most practical when its also sheltering a plurality of people

simple orchid
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ultimately the question of What Is This Place has to be left up to hc, i think

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they don't tell us enough to know

vital harbor
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random aside but I like to think akechi has borderline personality disorder, which is thought to be a combination of genetics and trauma before the age of 7. I think mamakechi had bpd simply based on her being in sex work. people with bpd can be prone to addiction and erratic in behavior, as well as super prone to suicidal ideation and feelings of emptiness. idk I love psych naosmiley

slow wren
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how does a bastard, orphan, son of a whore and a statesman, dropped in the middle of a kakekomi-dera by providence, undesirable and since, grow up to be a serial killer Detective Prince?

simple orchid
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the function it appears to be serving is that of a shelter, what else it does... that's up to the demands of the story maybe

golden frost
slow wren
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I don’t even like hamilton that line just came to mind lol

simple orchid
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oh is that what it is lmao... i was like, yes, i sure am asking that question too

golden frost
slow wren
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lol it would seem like I'm suddenly asking "so what's Akechi's deal, anyway?"

golden frost
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what i would definitively armchair diagnose him with is cptsd lmao

simple orchid
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"who is akechi goro??"

worthy mist
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For example, among the regulars who come to the bar Nyukamā in Shinjuku, there might be some who consider Nyukamā their “kakekomidera.”
Among the regulars at Le Blanc, there might also be some who consider Le Blanc their “kakekomidera.”

vital harbor
simple orchid
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leblanc has definite kakekomidera vibes

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that's its whole deal

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... akechi even said something like that in vanilla i think

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that it was a place he could retreat from the world

vital harbor
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I have cptsd and it's slightly different. it's less snapping moments of anger and erratic mood swings and more general instability

slow wren
golden frost
vital harbor
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yuuup

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trauma before the age of 7 is usually required for personality disorders (excluding aspd which is found to be entirely genetic)

slow wren
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That portrait's gotta be unused huh
It's third semester Akechi smirk with his usual winter (not midwinter) outfit

golden frost
simple orchid
vital harbor
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but it found people with aspd's brains were literally formed differently

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I can look for it in the morning. considering it's new it shouldn't be hard to find

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I hate people who say akechi is a psychopath... I'd say he has too much emotion instead of none at all lol

golden frost
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i am just generally scrutinizing of claims about cluster b disorders since theyre already quite stigmatized

vital harbor
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nah I get it

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it was a genuine research thing tho so dw I'm not just pulling out my ass

golden frost
slow wren
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PS3 P5 had an unused smiling portrait, then they made a new one for Royal

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vital harbor
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I like the new one. it makes him look less deranged and more in pain

slow wren
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The grin on the first one is weird

vital harbor
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also I always liked the symbolism of his mask being broken

vital harbor
slow wren
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why is it red (sure lighting but the whole mask part is depicted as red)
how did he fix it (probably he regained his will to summon Loki but that’s not a funny explanation so I say he took it to Jose to repair it)

vital harbor
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heart disease I think is associated with chronic stress/anxiety/cptsd

golden frost
vital harbor
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I think they might have made a prototype design/model at some point and just never edited the bustups

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also I hate his fuck ass helmet

worthy mist
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I'm working on 3D models, so if you need any Japanese-to-English translations, please let me call.

vital harbor
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that's gotta be hot... can he take it off

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well I'm gonna be sleeping for the next 4 hours (fuck) so I can't say much on that

golden frost
# golden frost yeah 😭

although granted what i was thinking was like. feelings can be conditioned and that includes emotional empathy, even neurotypicals dont usually feel it toward everyone who suffers misfortune. so uh, actively trying not to feel it sounds kinda dark

vital harbor
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not good!

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I don't feel empathy I think in the way neurotypicals do, but I think I still do to some degree

simple orchid
golden frost
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hed probably die before he could get worse than he currently is but uhh idk if thats better

vital harbor
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he'd probably kill himself before he has a heart attack

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woops

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akechi lives but the pt constantly have to prevent him from finding creative ways to kill himself

golden frost
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"you already tried beating up my therapist, just accept it"

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"your shitty dad couldnt khs either"

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i dont often find opportunities to remind ppl of that one but i cant pass them up either

delicate cove
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I was sleeping but for reference, the newest version of cethleann is broken on P5S specifically for some weird reason, so you have to use the version before the latest

vital harbor
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since ocean and I can't seem to decide on this I give it to the masses

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all hail democracy

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@ everyone in this thread... I wish that was a function

slow wren
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All of those names are terrible because you're trying to make them have "cum" in them

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They make no sense

silk jacinth
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I think I ran into the same issue when trying to dump audio

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although thats

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wya more cursed

vital harbor
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they're still at least clear

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I think it's better for it to be short anyway even without the cum joke

elder moat
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What about Uncut Cut Content Mods?

torn ridge
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What about the cut anime scene where Joker's in Shibuya while everyone else is frozen and you can somewhat hear sumire's voice in the screen?

runic bough
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is none of the above an acceptable answer...?

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I get you're trying to get the funny joke in but it's coming too much at the cost of the name itself I think

silk jacinth
edgy needle
torn ridge
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prob

golden frost
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no??

golden frost
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idk why i @ed brawler there

vital harbor
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ok new poll

golden frost
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i only suggested "bonus deleted scenes mod" in the first place for the joke of "why should switch get to have bdsm and not pc", and bc it didnt sound forced the way dc's original "stripped events Xtra" did, but the bdsm acronym is dead full stop as a concession to chubby finding it confusing

vital harbor
golden frost
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"cutscenes uncut mod" was bc i felt bad killing the joke altogether but i still thought it was lamer than bdsm
really, the forcedness of "cut content uncut mod" shouldve been apparent when you had to make it two c's

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i get you dont want to mislead about the scope but the only thing thatd really fall outside of "scenes/cutscenes" anyway is the futaba request and maybe some unused chats that were never in the scope of the mod anyway

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so mutation from "cutscenes" to "cut content" doesnt really add anything, it just sounds worse for no benefit

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if anything its more misleading since any cut content of any kind would fall under it

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and i dont rly feel like folding break/doubt scrapped mechanic and more thieves' den unlocks into this. the focus was always events

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i should also point out my mod list looks like this

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to distinguish these, i need to either maximize r2.5 window or click them to see info in sidebar

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compare if i just cut the name of the blanket project altogether (which obv would mean the average user doesnt even get to see the joke except on the hypothetical gb page)

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granted the ui inconvenience would still apply if the title was not a joke, but it does undercut the joke if theres not so much opportunity to see it

vital harbor
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however we'll leave it to the masses for now

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since we've had some complaints about cum

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if anyone has othr suggestions not sex joke related they are welcome

vital harbor
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also mine doesn't look like that at all

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golden frost
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i use compact + horizontal list to fit more shit on screen

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it only matters for horizontal list which regular reloaded doesnt have but is actual ass for horizontal (which i would think is reasonably common)

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(the localization framework language getters run into this too but its not as big a deal since you dont have to actually do anything with them and can just hide them, whereas these you have to actually enable and disable and edit config)

slow wren
runic bough
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mods are hard enough to name normally as is lol

my understanding of this mod (I just joined the thread today) is that it restores a lot of cut royal events

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so maybe just go with something like that, restored royal content/events/etc idk

golden frost
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unused events in general and also the unused futaba request got chucked in somehow
that one should maybe just be splintered off lol

runic bough
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if you wordsmith enough, maybe you could get the acronym to be CRAP without forcing it too much lol

golden frost
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lol

runic bough
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I would think the request should be splintered off yeah (unless you can't do it due to merging problems or whatever)

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my understanding is that a lot of cut royal content is events so like, a request feels slightly outside the scope of that

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or I guess you could expand the scope to include all cut royal content but you'd still probs want a config either way

slow wren
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requests kinda are events though (not literally but to a player)

golden frost
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i dont think i can top bonus deleted scenes mod so if thats out then im beginning to lean toward joke is kil

runic bough
slow wren
golden frost
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regular utilitarian name: unused cutscene pack

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(since we were leaning toward splitting it into a couple mods grouping together similar categories of events)

slow wren
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I mean I think it'd make more sense to have it as one project with various sub-parts

runic bough
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this sounds like a big project so I think I agree

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R2 config should get you through most of it. hopefully you don't have to deal with the same procedure being modified

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"cut content restoration" or "royal restoration" could work too. the second one ends up being kinda like P4 Fog Restoration where it's slightly misleading but also sufficiently true lol

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utilitarian names are sometimes the way to go

slow wren
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a mod name… where no one suffers…

golden frost
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i just dont like the idea of having the user spend disk space on shit they dont want
although i guess bf/bmd edits arent so big so maybe its not actually that big a deal...

runic bough
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if your mod is small enough to fit on GB it is a non issue imo especially if you use delta patches for updates

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having everything in one place is oftentimes more convenient than having more storage being taken up anyways

golden frost
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do delta updates even work lol

runic bough
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but for me they seem to

slow wren
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Can't you provide multiple versions to download anyways
"Download this if you want everything, download this for cutscenes, download this for items", etc

golden frost
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i cant think of a lot of mods that use them in the first place tbh
and ive never had a cbt delta work for me though i guess it is a dc mod adachi_true

runic bough
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speaking of this mod I've actually toyed with the idea of making a similar mod for P4G

golden frost
runic bough
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there's some cut events in P4G too although they're much less substantial

runic bough
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if it's 1GB, I still think that's reasonable as long as the amount of content in your mod reflects that size

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RBT is like 0.6GB and has a lot of high quality songs so you have plenty of room to work

slow wren
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It probably won't be too large because for the most part, it’s not adding new assets, just code

runic bough
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so it seems like a non issue size wise to just put it all together

golden frost
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curses, class time

slow wren
golden frost
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lol

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yeah sry i got interrupted for a bit there, college office hours moment

golden frost
vital harbor
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hmm I like that

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p5 royal restoration project?

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that's a bit long

golden frost
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restored event pack

wary snow
vital harbor
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restored event pack is straightforward but royal restoration sounds fancy

golden frost
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if the scope of this one is specifically events then i think name should reflect that

wary snow
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But this name is cooler

vital harbor
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lolol the cool effect

golden frost
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actually normal users probably arent calling them events so restored cutscene pack

slow wren
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i for one welcome our scope creep overlords

vital harbor
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ugh that's so boring though

golden frost
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im not merging fucking doubt into this

vital harbor
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I'm too writer pilled I like cool titles

wary snow
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Raven will just make doubt 2

golden frost
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i find that for fics i like being clever but for mods i prefer being utilitarian

slow wren
golden frost
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its the thumbnails where i channel my artistry

wary snow
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you think bdsm is utilitarian?

vital harbor
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LMAO

golden frost
slow wren
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I was trying to give you an excuse okay

golden frost
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witty title is nice but ultimately secondary
i liked bdsm because it was clear and funny

vital harbor
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AGAIN

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POLL 3

wary snow
golden frost
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bdsm for switch users only pensivekechi

vital harbor
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you said you'd made bdsm your doubt mod right

slow wren
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But in seriousness there’s a difference between adding in scrapped things that were already features of the game (events, requests, locations, some items) vs adding back in entire scrapped mechanics like Doubt
I think this project may only concern the former

wary snow
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Still, it is being used. Maybe if it was bdsm 2 but like. Trying to force it in usually doesn't make good names.

vital harbor
wary snow
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And the scope can change. Which then would require a name change anyways.

golden frost
wary snow
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I thought it was forced.

golden frost
silk jacinth
vital harbor
silk jacinth
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oh are we including vanilla P5 cut content or no?

vital harbor
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you don't wanna stuff everything about the project into one title. it's meant to be a lure to make people interested

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I mean idrc if we do

golden frost
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i assumed

vital harbor
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I'm not sure a lot of cut vanilla stuff made it into the royal files though

silk jacinth
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well if we do just put that in the description, royal makes it sound like royal only

golden frost
vital harbor
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I've only looked at faz's royal cut content playlist to be fair

silk jacinth
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my way of luring people is by not gaf

vital harbor
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your titles are good

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although I sometimes forget if it's Kasumi as protagonist or Kasumi over protagonist lol

golden frost
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me when i always just say sumi protag

silk jacinth
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I called it Kasumi as Protag to differentiate it from Kasumi over Joker ps3

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otherwise I probably would've called it that

vital harbor
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shut up sae gotta be your best title ong

silk jacinth
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yoshizawa as Protag could've worked too (but acronym would be Yap and I wouldn't ever hear the end of ppl Yapping Abt it)

slow wren
vital harbor
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my favorite of mine rn is red rose but i haven't made a lot

golden frost
vital harbor
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omg yap

wary snow
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thats so kap🧢

vital harbor
silk jacinth
runic bough
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it's not that hard to restore the fog to P4G, I've functionally already done it

vital harbor
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p4 fog restoration peak title

runic bough
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the actual mod scope though is what people generally think of when they think of restoring the fog to P4G - they think of restoring the og p4 visuals in general

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royal restoration is similar where you are clearly restoring royal content

vital harbor
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also I love that mod. it adds such vibes to p4

golden frost
wary snow
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Royal did actually add back in the chest exp graphic so that's one thing royal did right.

vital harbor
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is the futaba request from vanilla?

clear gazelle
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Cut/Unused Content Kit 🤷

(but actually I like the Royal-specific names better)

vital harbor
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hehe cut content kit

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am I just an alliteration lover

golden frost
vital harbor
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we circle back to sex jokes

wary snow
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Royal Restoration better though.

golden frost
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i dont think kit works though since that implies its a tool

silk jacinth
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^

vital harbor
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yeah

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ocean

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I see you conflicted there

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was that you clicking the reaction like 3 times

golden frost
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no i just click emotes on reflex sometimes

vital harbor
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I notice that and I've been meaning to ask why you do that lol

golden frost
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i dont rly want to expand scope beyond events admittedly so having a mod name that implies general restored content and not restored events in particular is kinda ehh

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non-event stuff just feels like a thing to stick elsewhere

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(even if the skytree event ties back to the skytree decoration on account of some of its unused dialogue...)

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(btw i know i asked this in modder help and kinda in the den unlocks post but how are thieves' den dialogues actually controlled)

wary snow
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Shouldn't they be something within the corp npc files?

slow wren
slow wren
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Question: If the alternate Akechi third awakening is included, should the 2/2 scene be basically the same without the awakening? Some of the lines are identical but otherwise I guess it would still make sense.

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It might work better to remove the reused lines from the jazz club scene rather than the used Leblanc one

vital harbor
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I agree

slow wren
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Probably they thought it was too similar to Destinyland, but it is unique

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…we could use this as a chance for them to give otherwise-unobtainable skill cards big_brain

golden frost
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i did see a bunch of twins hangouts around that major id but i was just kinda skimming so i couldnt tell if any were unused

slow wren
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I was browsing TCRF
they put this one under "test cutscenes" oddly

golden frost
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huh

slow wren
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There are some "alternate versions" of some twins hangouts but that one is entirely unused

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I guess we'd need to make the invite to Suidobashi in the first place
"Inmate, I want you to take us to a pancake-looking place! You know anywhere like that?"

golden frost
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does tcrf have e494_010 bc i dont think ive ever heard mention of it before me randomly discovering it

slow wren
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I don’t think so

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There's also a scene where they introduce the twins hangouts in the velvet room

golden frost
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yeah i didnt see it when i looked but i wasnt sure if i missed it

slow wren
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There's so much stuff that isn't on TCRF which is frustrating but it'd be such a pain to add it

golden frost
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i just want to know if im the first person to realize it exists

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who doesnt work for atlus

wary snow
golden frost
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bruh

wary snow
# wary snow On that note, some twins hangouts have unused dialogue thats hardcoded not to tr... 
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Huh? You mean, the two of you?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_056_0_0 [Justine]]
[s][bup 0 101 0 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Yes—bring to us the largest burger within[n]this establishment. One that rivals the vast[n]emptiness of outer space.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_057_0_0 [Female Employee]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Are you two in elementary school?[n]I'm so sorry, but...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]
[s][cut 1 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 102 15 300 65535][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]We had problems with customers wasting[n]too much food, so only middle schoolers[n]and older can take the challenge now.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_058_0_0 [Caroline]]
[s][cut 1 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 102 15 300 1][vp 8 2 0 11037 65535 0]E-Elementary school!?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_059_0_0 [Justine]]
[s][bup 0 101 2 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]You dare judge us by our appearances...[n]Perhaps we should teach you a lesson.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_060_0_0 [Female Employee]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Huh? Uhhh, I'm sorry, but... but you[n]definitely aren't in middle school, right?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_061_0_0 [Caroline]]
[s][bup 0 102 2 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]...Well, say something, Inmate![n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[sel SEL_062_0_0 top]
[s]They're in elementary school.[e]
[s]They're prison wardens.[e]
[s]I'm so sorry.[e]

[msg MSG_063_0_0 [Justine]]
[s][cut 1 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 102 15 300 65535][bup 0 101 2 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]You will be disciplined for that later.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_064_0_0 [Caroline]]
[s][cut 1 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 102 15 300 1][vp 8 2 0 11105 65535 0]No doubt—you're in for quite a shock![n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_065_0_0 [Female Employee]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]...Wardens?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_066_0_0 [Justine]]
[s][bup 0 101 3 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]How do you not understand?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_067_0_0 [Caroline]]
[s][bup 0 102 3 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Why is everyone so useless...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_068_0_0 [Female Employee]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]If you're not elementary schoolers, does[n]that mean you're kindergarteners?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_069_0_0 [Caroline]]
[s][bup 0 102 2 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]That's it! A hundred lashes for the both of—[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_070_0_0 [Justine]]
[s][bup 0 101 0 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 2 0 12089 65535 0]Calm down, Caroline.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_071_0_0 [Caroline]]
[s][bup 0 102 2 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Hmph...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_072_0_0 [Caroline]]
[s][cut 1 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 65535 102 15 300 1][vp 8 2 0 11090 65535 0]What are you apologizing for!?[n]SHE'S the one who's wrong here![n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_073_0_0 [Female Employee]]
[s][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]If you're not elementary schoolers, does[n]that mean you're kindergarteners?[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_074_0_0 [Caroline]]
[s][bup 0 102 2 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]That's it! A hundred lashes for the both of—[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_075_0_0 [Justine]]
[s][bup 0 101 0 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 2 0 12089 65535 0]Calm down, Caroline.[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

[msg MSG_076_0_0 [Caroline]]
[s][bup 0 102 2 0 0][f 4 10 65535 0 0][vp 8 0 0 0 65535 0]Hmph...[n][f 1 3 65535][w][e]

It's weird because the messages themselves have no real signifiers that would make them not appear, but they just don't anyways.

golden frost
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i will maybe change the mod id once more for the final title but probably not, every time i have to do it i have to edit it not just in modconfig but in the actual flow files

vital harbor
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it's not like the average user is looking so it's fine

golden frost
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yeah thats why im like i prob wont

slow wren
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can't you do some sort of find and replace

clear gazelle
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...Akechi friendzone third awakening 🤭

golden frost
vital harbor
clear gazelle
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It does seem a bit odd to remove the final version of his third awakening, though. If that kind of removal is happening in other places, sure, but if this is the only example of that and everything else is straightforwardly just restoration, it seems a little out of place.

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Hence, the idea to include it as a special case without removing what already exists... and acting as a consolation prize for those who failed to keep the promise 🤷

vital harbor
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hmmm

golden frost
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i have the category labeled as plot-altering changes in config.yaml

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but havent implemented the event itself

clear gazelle
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You could still make it a thing where you can go up to him earlier and get it -- just behind the same flag as 2/2 (but negated), so that way you wouldn't have to do any editing of the 2/2 event.

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If there's a more general plot-altering category, though, it's probably fine either way.

golden frost
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yeah i was gonna put anything thatd require rewriting used events to make sense under that category

golden frost
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pinning flowutils and the current single mod

vital harbor
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I should test those for you

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I have enough save slots to throw in some stuff from save file collection

golden frost
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i mean you could use save file collection anyway you just have to backup whatever was originally in the slot if you care about losing it

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i want to do some refinement re:the hangouts to set the calendar action after, unlock the locations if youve not been there before, and make sure leaving out the ending of the shinjuku one doesnt break anything

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ideally id also want most of them to be chat invites but one thing at a time

vital harbor
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i can't find the event id for the adult confidant pary. does anyone have it?

golden frost
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do u remember a specific line of dialogue from it

vital harbor
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lemme find faz's video

golden frost
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(also is it translated)

vital harbor
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untranslated

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so

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how about @runic mist do you remember what the event id for this was

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if we could see the japanese dialogue we could search that but... lol

golden frost
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i found the will seed events bc i remembered telling them to someone before
cant rly say the same about these lol

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what about valentines' harem, is that translated

vital harbor
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pretty sure it isn't because it's on amicita implying it's in en.cpk

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hold on

golden frost
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nods sagely

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hold on amicitia doesnt have will seed events labeled

vital harbor
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yeah i think amicita only has en.cpk events

golden frost
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idk how i should list the first okumura event, since theres no actual evt just the bmd

runic mist
vital harbor
runic mist
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adults at crossroad

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521 030

vital harbor
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ありがとう

golden frost
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tfw pinned that specifically so we could check and then forgor it was there

runic mist
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🙂‍↕️

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you should check what scheduler command I did for the event to trigger

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like a bunch of if statements if the confidants that appear there are rank 10

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it looks so stupid

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it didnt even work correctly either thats the funny part

golden frost
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whos gonna edit harem valentines for gay jonkler

vital harbor
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@worthy mist when you have the time could you roughly translate this? i'll edit it so don't worry about trying to be comprehensible

📎 E521_030.BMD.msg
vital harbor
golden frost
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white day too

vital harbor
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i'l ldo it

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i'll do all 3

golden frost
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tbh i brought it up as a joke in a haha jk...unless...? way

vital harbor
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this is very disturbing

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i have a feeling this was meant for maruki ending

wary snow
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Yeah thats the general consenus I think.

vital harbor
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this should be fun to add then... lol

golden frost
vital harbor
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where is the maruki ending stuff located in the schedulers

golden frost
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final maruki ending scene is in this function, ie. 3/15 morning
so for valentines and white day youd prob add a conditional to the equivalent procedure

image.png
vital harbor
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i'd have to go to the procedure before to insert white day

golden frost
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checking for both the config option (not currently defined in config.yaml) and whatever flag they use for tracking maruki ending

vital harbor
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wait why wouldn't i just put this flow into the config itself?

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oh flow uitls

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forgive me i still don't exactly understand how that works

golden frost
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i mean i guess you could actually

vital harbor
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i'd like to use your tool to make it consistent with everything else

golden frost
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tbh im leaning toward conditionally hooking some non-scheduler bfs instead of always hooking all of them even when the relevant options are off
that way bf emulator doesnt have to compile those if the option is off

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scheduler i use flowutils since so much shit is gonna need it that the alternative is crashing face first into duplicate procedure error

vital harbor
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ok i'll try to figure out flowutils

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you posted a screenshot of what it looked like but idont'w anna dig can you send it again

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which scheduler is the maruki ending from

golden frost
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. but you can also just check scheduler_common

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the functions.json for flowutils also describes the functions

vital harbor
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pin your flowutils github page

golden frost
vital harbor
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arigatou

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i'm gonna put my shit into the p5rpc.events.restoredevents you sent

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i'll shove lavaneza in here too

golden frost
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oh also
can u make sure shiho event doesnt pass time

vital harbor
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yeah

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i mean it shouldn't right

golden frost
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yeah it wouldnt make sense to since ren obv isnt there

vital harbor
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do you have the harem in the .yaml yet doesn't look like it

golden frost
vital harbor
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me when i don't read

golden frost
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also tell me if u can find ann and mishima npcs on field after/if u get ann map transition

vital harbor
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would this be a plot addition or a misc addition

golden frost
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plot addition category

vital harbor
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aight

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id is haremmaruki

golden frost
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id prob have done haremvalentines and haremwhite

vital harbor
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remix is so peak thank you ryo

golden frost
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since "haremmaruki" could be either

vital harbor
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oh i was gonna combine them

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i suppose seperating them is fine

golden frost
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fair

vital harbor
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like idk why someone would have one or the other

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makes things simpler too

golden frost
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yeah thats how i was with the will seeds too

vital harbor
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you didn't answer my question before lol which scheduler is maruki ending from

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2?

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2 is third semester iirc

golden frost
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all routes use the same scheduler lol but third sem procedures end with s3

vital harbor
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ok then i gotta add scheduler 3 here

golden frost
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2 is february 3 is march adachi_true

golden frost
vital harbor
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is there a flag to check for maruki ending?

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how do you get the common to work...

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i suppose i might need to actually edit the procedure

golden frost
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uhh probably set in 2/2 evening events

noble echo
vital harbor
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i'll just put it in the procedure. it won't be in common

golden frost
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common is for shit thatd be imported in multiple schedulers

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its basically just the balls.flow idea again

vital harbor
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balls

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balls.flow lives on

golden frost
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im doing the trick with gay jonkler too except its labia.flow

golden frost
vital harbor
# vital harbor
poll_question_text

what name

victor_answer_votes

7

total_votes

13

victor_answer_id

3

victor_answer_text

NO CUM

golden frost
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lol

vital harbor
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nice

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now we wait for the other results

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er which re procedure would i edit

image.png
golden frost
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...

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actually i dont think the game is even gonna run these lol, re means specifically royal ending

vital harbor
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oh shit

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woops

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then what are the maruk iending functions?

golden frost
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i think prooooooobably youd make same procedure but with s3 instead of re? idk if youd have to force procedure index

vital harbor
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isn't procedure index arbitrary

golden frost
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no

vital harbor
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oh

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it's commented out so i assumed thart

golden frost
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some things like field npcs call by index

vital harbor
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103.5 ? does it allow that?

golden frost
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nah im almost certain float would die

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gotta be an int

vital harbor
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ffff

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what do i do

golden frost
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prob just test without forcing procedure index for now

vital harbor
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ok

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d or c

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what is the difference

golden frost
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theyre different (adjacent) timeslots
id just use the one the normal valentines/white day uses

vital harbor
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it's d

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ok how the fuck would i manage these bit flags...

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lemme see how the other harem event does it

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i'm just gonna yoink the valentines procedure and change the event id

golden frost
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u dont have to check for maruki ending, if game is using s3 procedures in march then it already knows

vital harbor
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no no i'm not talking about that

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i'm talking about the romance bit flags

golden frost
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oh lmao

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its doing a buncha bitfield shit basically
iirc it adds a power of 2 to some variable for each one and thats used later

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for a simpler example, heres some shit i wrote for the rematch mod checking if youve fought them in ng
if you havent fought a boss then that adds to maskOptions which is used to hide them from the selection later

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vital harbor
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yes

{
    int var2;
    var2 = 0;
    
    if (BIT_CHK(3792) && (CMM_GET_LV(3) == 10))
    {
        var2 = (var2 + 1);
    }

    
    if (BIT_CHK(3793) && (CMM_GET_LV(4) == 10))
    {
        var2 = (var2 + 1);
    }

    
    if (BIT_CHK(3794) && (CMM_GET_LV(7) == 10))
    {
        var2 = (var2 + 1);
    }

    
    if (BIT_CHK(3795) && (CMM_GET_LV(10) == 10))
    {
        var2 = (var2 + 1);
    }

    
    if (BIT_CHK(3796) && (CMM_GET_LV(11) == 10))
    {
        var2 = (var2 + 1);
    }

    
    if (BIT_CHK(3797) && (CMM_GET_LV(14) == 10))
    {
        var2 = (var2 + 1);
    }

    
    if (BIT_CHK(3798) && (CMM_GET_LV(15) == 10))
    {
        var2 = (var2 + 1);
    }

    
    if (BIT_CHK(3799) && (CMM_GET_LV(0x10) == 10))
    {
        var2 = (var2 + 1);
    }

    
    if (BIT_CHK(3800) && (CMM_GET_LV(18) == 10))
    {
        var2 = (var2 + 1);
    }

    
    if (var2 > 1)
    {
        CALL_EVENT(522 , 50) 
    }
    
    SET_NEXT_DAY(3, 19, 0);
    return;
}```
slow wren
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tcrf had videos of the maruki valentines and white day events in English

vital harbor
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it's translated it's fine

golden frost
golden frost
# vital harbor it's translated it's fine

i think i mentioned before that id like someone to double check the translations for unused translated scenes since akechi shelter's "official" english script has obvious mistakes

golden frost
vital harbor
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ok thanks lol

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this is the function for no satanael. it works, right?

    {
        if (BIT_CHK(2131) == 0)
        {
            CALL_EVENT(791, 30);
            BIT_ON(2131);
            BIT_ON(10230);
        }
        else if ((GET_CONFIG_INT_VALUE("p5rpc.events.restoredevents", "nosatanael") && (BIT_CHK(2047) == 0) && ((BIT_CHK(11790) == 0)
        {
            CALL_EVENT(791, 11);
            BIT_ON(2047);
            BIT_ON(10230);
        }

        CALL_FIELD(10, 3, 0, 0);
    }```
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ignore the weird formatting,... no clue why it copied that way

golden frost
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word wrap

vital harbor
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ah

golden frost
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im not sure what 10230 does but i would assume you dont have to double enable it

vital harbor
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it's not i think it goes bit_off when you leave the velvet room?

golden frost
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oh, does it?

vital harbor
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i suspect it's to prevent events playing back-to-back

golden frost
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hm, maybe

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in which case yeah maybe it should be there lol

wary snow
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10230 doesn't have anything on the wiki so I guess we'll never know.

golden frost
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only one way to find out i guess :V

vital harbor
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that's why i was testing it lol

golden frost
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although if that is what it does then id expect a check in flow for when its off

vital harbor
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lemme look

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looks like this is the function that controls that

image.png
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i'm gonna need to make a bf for the harem events smgh

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uh do i just use regular bind for that in the configs

golden frost
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wdym

vital harbor
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to bind the three bfs for the harem events

golden frost
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as in put the flow in its own directory and register it with bf emulator api?

vital harbor
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ugh nevermind this would be too much of a pain. i'm gonna make it so you have to actually have everyone romanced i won't do it like the valentines harem

golden frost
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i could prob do it but it might take an afternoon and i should rly be doing college homework

vital harbor
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i mean like you'd have to edit the evt. there's no bf controlling the dialogue that plays so it's implied there's no conditionals in the evt either

golden frost
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i think they prob just didnt finish the logic when they figured out itd be unused

vital harbor
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i'll check the evt

golden frost
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could prob compare what the regular valentines does

wary snow
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Even then it is the 'harem' event. Which I feel like would only really apply if you date everyone.

vital harbor
golden frost
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true...

vital harbor
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it bit checks for each piece of dialogue from the girls. puts the dialogue in the bf .msg file

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bit checks for their models appearing in the evt

golden frost
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as far as i am aware atlus staff did not specifically call it that in production

wary snow
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I think we need to kill atlus

golden frost
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i assume if itd made it to final game itd only have the ones you actually romanced since jiro from kyoto who hasnt left his room in 3 years wouldnt want ohya showing up when he only went for futaba and takemi

vital harbor
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oh looks like 522_050 takes place the day before

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sigh

golden frost
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theyre just weirdly okay with being a polycule even though you never ran that by any of them at any point

vital harbor
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yep none of these have conditionals

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i'm not gonna fuck with it. harem it is

wary snow
golden frost
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i might attempt adding proper conditionals when i am not busy with psych homework

vital harbor
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i pray for youo n that one

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i'll give you what i have once i'm done dupin g for the first white day event

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can i use the same variable in 2 functions

golden frost
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if its not an sVar yeah, regular vars only exist in that specific function's scope

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or wait

vital harbor
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uhh idk what that means

golden frost
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do you mean the same name or literally the same variable

vital harbor
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literally the same variable

golden frost
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oh

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no, youd have to make it an sVar

# 

void ExampleFunction()
{
    int exampleLocal = 0; // this variable only exists in ExampleFunction, you can make another variable with the same name in another function but it will not have the same value

    exampleGlobal = 1; // if you call exampleGlobal in another function later it will still equal 1
}```
vital harbor
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wait so if "int" is put in front it's global?

golden frost
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no thats just for defining the variable as an integer value

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global is if its not defined in a function

vital harbor
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....so add global at the end?

golden frost
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i usually put it at the top of a bf (or real code), right under the import statements

vital harbor
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...i'm just gonna copy paste