P5X Model Exporting

[restive basalt]

i've never messed with geo nodes tbh, so idk how you did that

[random hornet]

check the geonodes setup in the latest blend file i sent

[restive basalt]

i don't think the latest was pinned
the one before it was

[random hornet]

this one

it uses the second material on the model but maybe it should be adjusted to not do that

and take the material as an input to geonodes

[restive basalt]

sweet jesus Katayama is broken

i don't know how to fix her......

[restive basalt]

looks like her shadow is broken too 💀

[random hornet]

i have fixed the unforeseen consequences of my actions

[spiral pendant]

I think most typical method of doing outlines in blender is through the Solidify modifier

But that results in some janky looking areas with more complex meshes (most noticeable with faces and hair)

[random hornet]

yeah but idk if solidify can take width based on a vertex attr

thats why i did it manually in geo nodes

[restive basalt]

i see

that answers that, but now my question is how to fix katayama 💀

[random hornet]

seems like a bone hierarchy issue

[restive basalt]

well I can tell something is parented wrong

the issue is that I can't figure out what I need re-parent

the face bones seem fine but then we have the mysterious BoneXXX bones

the Blitz model seems better

but when i tilt her neck her arms and upper body go with her

[random hornet]

thats a problem with every rig in this game

[restive basalt]

RIP

well, that's at least tolerable in comparison to regular and shadow katayama's model

i'm just at a complete loss

[restive basalt]

@hollow blaze how did you re-parent it 💀 poor Katayama and her shadow are broken

[spiral pendant]

oh yeah idk how to use vertex colors and what not

I just started going the route of duplicated mesh with flipped normals and merge by distance + displace modifier

[restive basalt]

i learned how to make an outline shapekey

pretty sick as hell
guarantees an outline you can adjust and turn on/off

you have to do a little adjusting on the outline mesh to make sure it doesn't bleed through the face or other areas

[random hornet]

my geo node setup looks like this

[restive basalt]

is the geo node setup in a different material?

[random hornet]

geo nodes are a modifier

[restive basalt]

?

[random hornet]

open the geometry nodes tab at the top

[restive basalt]

ohhh okay

odd
i couldn't find the named attribute, scale, or multiply node from the search

oh found it
thank you blender manual

[hollow blaze]

I don't think I did, I just noticed it was wonky.

[restive basalt]

💀

how am I to fix katayama then? 😔 I can't specifically pinpoint what i need to re-parent/fix

[restive basalt]

hmmm....

[random hornet]

fill in the name

on the named attribute

type attribute and click the recommended "Face Corner > Attribute"

[restive basalt]

there was UV0 for me but yeah

sweet jesus

ah
the multiply was too high

[random hornet]

uv0 is not it

its whatevers under here

[restive basalt]

oh there isn't one there

[random hornet]

how did you import the model?

[restive basalt]

better fbx importer

[random hornet]

how did you get the fbx

is it from assetstudio?

[spiral pendant]

I did better fbx and I have something there

[restive basalt]

yes

[spiral pendant]

it's named Col though

[restive basalt]

i did the typical motions

[random hornet]

yeah Attribute is what blender's builtin FBX importer calls it

but it should have the same data

[restive basalt]

that's weird

i still have the unity project i believe

i just grabbed the bundles with her meshes and armature

i already have the textures on hand and all

[random hornet]

i just realized my 'fix normals' node was wrong

[spiral pendant]

[random hornet]

this is the correct mapping from the games normal maps to regular normals

[spiral pendant]

if you feed textures through the AssetRipper -> Unity process, they seem to be converted into regular normal maps

[random hornet]

oh hm

oh also it seems the green channel is identical to the alpha channel on these weird maps

idk

so ig this is also a correct mapping just reversing the colors

[spiral pendant]

like I took these from the ExportedProject that AssetRipper made

and they were just like that

[random hornet]

for me they're colored weird in the assetripper project

[spiral pendant]

they're still the red or whatever they look like in AssetStudio?

[random hornet]

mhm

[spiral pendant]

weird

[spiral pendant]

I think Dniwe also has a batch script to fix them

idk if that's one of the ones that got broken by the imagemagick update tho

[restive basalt]

there's also a chainner project morty has

[spiral pendant]

yeah the UnityNormalMapFix.bat https://github.com/DniweTamp/cool-batches

[spiral pendant]

also on this note, why tf does nearly every outfit for Kotone have a different hair texture with completely different UVs xd

found normal maps for her other 2 hair meshes but not the one that goes with her casual outfit

[restive basalt]

they're the same hairstyle between metaverse (regular) and irl, right?

[spiral pendant]

nope

or at least the texture isn't

and her other thief hair is different too

[restive basalt]

odd

hmm gimme a moment

have you tried her dancer hair too?

[spiral pendant]

dancer?

[restive basalt]

try this

[spiral pendant]

is this not just her normal_hair diffuse

[random hornet]

i dont think her normal hair has a normal map

[spiral pendant]

I didn't figure

because what is consistency

[restive basalt]

on the left, thief hair. on the right, her normal hair

you have the diffuse of the thief hair plugged into the shader

either way, just unplug the thief hair

[random hornet]

for some reason im getting missing bones on frost_normal 🤔

[restive basalt]

RIP Mont

[random hornet]

oh wait

[restive basalt]

RIP Katayama, who's bones I don't know how to re-parent

[random hornet]

i see why

[spiral pendant]

yeah, that was because you said this lol

[restive basalt]

i meant more mesh wise, but i guess i'm wrong

it's probably the same mesh but one is UVd differently

[spiral pendant]

mesh wise, they probably are

but yeah, different UVs

[random hornet]

ok fixed that

its because the bones were marked as inactive

[restive basalt]

so Bone230 is attached to her boob like Ercar had mentioned before

it's parented to Spine2

i looked at the weights for Bone230 and it's absolutely a parent issue

its sister bone for the other breast is ALSO parented to Spine2

so this literally makes no sense

[restive basalt]

i figured it out 😭

let's see...

[random hornet]

also it seems like the normal outfit of kotone uses her ice dancer thief hair texture

[restive basalt]

oh c'mon 💀

i'm rotating the neck and now her head won't move with it
it's parented to Spine2
I tried parenting to the head but no change

[spiral pendant]

you sure about that?

[restive basalt]

it'd make sense, tbh

when chapter 3 dropped, normal Katayama was using an outdated face model and texture
but her shadow's face model is the one she uses now

this often happens when stuff like a confidant gets make or something forces them to give them the glow up treatment

so it's possible that with ice dancer mont + her confidant that they decided to use the hair texture for her dancer outfit

[spiral pendant]

it sure doesn't look like it lol

[restive basalt]

it does for the most part
just the ribbon part ofc

hell, you could separate the ribbon from the hair as a separate mesh, delete the material, make a new one, and use the old hair texture for the ribbon

also I fixed katayama

so now katayama is truly fixed......

[random hornet]

oh nvm it does use the frost_normal tex

idk what i saw that suggested it didnt

[spiral pendant]

I'm getting the feeling that I do not understand shaders enough to decipher this lol

because none of this is making a bit of sense to me

[random hornet]

oh im not gonna lie this is one of the most spaghetti node groups i have ever made

[spiral pendant]

I really wanted to try and get the shadows on mine looking better and trying to figure out the face shadow thing

but uh

lmao

I guess I'm just gonna be stuck with flat central for the foreseeable future

[restive basalt]

now only one more trial to tackle before I can start on the render I wanna make - Shadow Katayama's head

and everything is parented correctly here, so that isn't an issue

it's just the head in this case
it looks like a weight issue, but i've already tried painting on the head vertex group

[random hornet]

do they have the armature modifer properly applied?

[restive basalt]

yeah

technically the face mesh uses BN_head
you know how there's the Head and head bones with dancing models

the face uses 'Head' to move and the body uses 'head' to move that area

it's similar here in some ways
the BN_head belongs to the face itself and I suspect that the Bip01 Head belongs to the body

the two are joined in one armature with some parts of the head parented to Bip01 Head and some parented to BN_head

[spiral pendant]

I think I had a similar issue trying to get one of the masks to work

had it parented and weighted to the right armature and everything but it just refused to move

[restive basalt]

yeah
the parent to BN_head is Bip01 Head
and the face bones are parented to BN_head. The ones for the mouth have some parented to BN_jaw

...oh
there's not BN_head vertex group on the body
but it has the BN_jaw

what a paiiinnnnnn

[random hornet]

im p sure BN_head controls just the head

like its the root bone of all the facial bones

[restive basalt]

almost

the bones on the lower lips are parented to BN_jaw

but BN_jaw is parented to BN_head in the end

there's also bones called roothead and rothead (was there a space between them? I forget)

[random hornet]

hm, on kotone the BN_head and BN_jaw are sibling bones under Bip01 Head

[restive basalt]

yeah

in the end, they get parented to the head bone of the body

if you compared it to a Dancing model, BN_head would be 'Head' (the face) and the body would be Bip01 Head would be 'head' (the body)

the difference being that you don't delete one of the head bones and parent the head to the neck (or is it neck to head)

[random hornet]

actually kotones just seems much more normal in general

she has an actual neck bone that doesnt move the shoulders

[restive basalt]

lucky her 💀

i wonder what BN stands for

it's in the name of the bones for Katayama's coat for the Blitz model

hmmm...i've done everything I can to troubleshoot this neck issue

it only stems from when you move her head bone

and everything is parented correctly, from what I can see

[restive basalt]

can somebody doublecheck shadow katayama for me so I know i'm not going crazy

her rig is role_b18a68.bundle (sd_WuTian)

[spiral pendant]

check what exactly? I don't have any of her other stuff

[restive basalt]

Check if i just exported her wrong or something for this to be happening when I move her head bone

Her neck all messed up

But it only messes up when you move Bip01 Head specifically
The neck moves fine

And everything - in comparison to other functional models - appears to be parented correctly

I tried looking at the weights too

[spiral pendant]

I tried lol

[restive basalt]

Could you please double check @random hornet? Idk if it's just a bad export on my end

[random hornet]

at least in unity the eyes move with the head properly

i see the thing with her hair at least

yeah the eyes are rigged fine for me

yeah the hair is too small and animations try to fix it but it doesnt work in blender

the bones are all scaled by 94.4863

its odd cuz i dont see any weird scaling in the unity editor

it seems like assetstudio or something is doing it

well the mesh itself is really tiny for some reason so something must scale it up

[restive basalt]

Yeah i don't care about the eyes and hair - that's easy to fix
It's just the Bip01 Head acting up
If you exported it better, can you send it my way?

[zinc dirge]

I think my PC is falling apart

That black bar at the top should not be there and it flashes when I move my mouse up there

[restive basalt]

I just want her head (Bip01 Head) to move normal

[restive basalt]

@random hornet appears to be bone placement
for some reason her head bone is in her chest

which is....a nuisance
i'd prefer if her head bone wasn't stuck in her chest

i can't even shrink it ever-so-slightly
i can't move even one single thing on this bone without breaking it
i can't move it forward, backward, up, down, or shrink it using those spheres at the top and bottom
any modification breaks it

[spiral pendant]

do you have any idea why I'm getting this error when following what you did?

[torn kindle]

i have no clue tbh

if it helps i've done it on both 3.6 and 4.2.2

also there isn't a way to export the scenes with the meshes retaining their uv ofset from the lightmap data is there?

[random hornet]

if that infos anywhere its probably in the material

or actually, im not sure

[torn kindle]

ik soul hackers 2 has it in the mesh renderer but scenes meshes just straight up do not have them from as far as i can tell

[torn kindle]

wow bf08 just does not like exporting

[restive basalt]

Oh wow

[torn kindle]

loads fine in unity fbx export just kills it for some reason

[restive basalt]

Guess that means it's time to build it (the project)

[torn kindle]

i didnt think you could export scenes in assetstudio

[restive basalt]

No animator or?

[torn kindle]

no

[zinc dirge]

I was gonna say the my Palace works in unity but in blender if it's all over the place

[restive basalt]

hmmmm

maybe open it in noesis?

idk

[restive basalt]

@zinc dirge did you port all of MyPalace as a map?

[spiral pendant]

who tf decided to de-floof Haru?

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-meg-griffin-i-just-wanna-talk-to-him-put-that-gun-away-family-guy-gif-14677957

[fringe kite]

if you want to replicate that you should look into this https://github.com/festivities/Blender-miHoYo-Shaders

genshin uses the same method for face lighting, so they probably have nodes for it

[spiral pendant]

they do

don't expect those shaders to be easy to decipher though lol

[fringe kite]

yeah...

thats just the face factor node

[random hornet]

well it seems like they use multiple uv maps. p5x uses just the one but has an offset in the material

just in case the face isnt centered in the uv map

[restive basalt]

Another example

The light was positioned to the left of her here

[zinc dirge]

Like into unity?

[restive basalt]

But yeah, i noticed in game that
Depending on where the light is will determine what side of the face she's on

[restive basalt]

In general

[zinc dirge]

I have the full scene in unity when importing it gave me everything but when I export it and import it into unity it's all over the place

[restive basalt]

Ahhh
Damn
I was hoping to recreate an original interaction in MyPalace with Blitz amd my self-insert for some funnies

[restive basalt]

Maybe export one piece at a time? If the second mesh doesn't fit with the first, you can move it so it isn't a jumbled mess of pieces?

[zinc dirge]

Maybe it's just time consuming maybe at some point I will

[zinc dirge]

Do we have a list of what characters are called in the files?

[restive basalt]

I could've sworn i sent thst file already

Hasn't been pinned tho

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7LBM_VpaxeTx8Rscz-kIBs6U0bntdlIdJW9j2ibZRQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

[zinc dirge]

I swear you did as well I just don't know where it is

[random hornet]

theres a bug in the face shader when the character faces directly at the light source thats fun

[zinc dirge]

Do we know what the shop lady's name is in the files

[random hornet]

Maqimu

[zinc dirge]

How would I find her rig?

[random hornet]

n_Maqimu.prefab

[zinc dirge]

Okay

[restive basalt]

Personally i hate how they localized Marthym

[zinc dirge]

Is it possible to find textures? Cuz I'm looking for yui's hair I found the mesh but the part_port doesn't have the textures

[random hornet]

look at the bundles dependencies

[restive basalt]

In jp she talks in a very childish kind of way
No Kansai accent, which localizers use southern accents for
Now she just sounds like a stereotypical southerner 😭 like, REALLY stereotypical

[random hornet]

shared_1583e7ef.bundle

[zinc dirge]

It's weird trying to figure out which shared is "junk" and the others is not

[random hornet]

thats what my tool is for

[zinc dirge]

I'm using it I just mean the shared bundles you never know

[random hornet]

i guess

i just extract them all

the textures are usually in the least indented ones though for the part

[restive basalt]

That's why I just dumped all of Taiwan from asset studio, even tho it was a pain

Here's an idea
Dump all of the shared bundles

[restive basalt]

Do we know if p5x still has no anti-cheat? I sort of have an idea

@random hornet @torn kindle if p5x (assuming it still does) has no anti-cheat, what do you think would happen if we used ninja ripper in a palace?

[zinc dirge]

What's her mesh in it says it can't find it for me

[zinc dirge]

I can't find her mesh parts

[random hornet]

part_s_port_rigc58564f.bundle

@zinc dirge

i searched for n_Maqimu_body_wholeexport_rig.prefab

theyre usually <model>_<part>_wholeexport_rig.prefab for the fashion element, and <model>_<part>_wholeexport_rig_<model>_<part>.asset for mesh

usually in the same bundle unless its ann

and the other standout is faces with blendshape are <model>_face_wholeexport_rig_bs.prefab and <model>_face_wholeexport_rig_bs_<model>_face.asset

assets are case sensitive too

and masks are bs_<char>_mianju.prefab

[restive basalt]

Bump

[random hornet]

it could work

[restive basalt]

Do you think you or morty would consider doing it to see the results? I don't know if ninjaripper rips with the original mesh + texture names, but maybe we can pinpoint more palace maps using this?

I have a copy of ninjaripper

Idk how to really use it, but i have the zip for it

[random hornet]

no it has no tex or mesh names

it dumps whatever data is visible to the gpu

[restive basalt]

Shit

At the very least, maybe it's good for retrieving map meshes?

Does 3dmigoto have texture names?

[random hornet]

no

[spiral pendant]

has anyone found Chihaya and/or Takemi in the files yet?

[random hornet]

ive seen them but i dont remember the name

not at pc to check

[restive basalt]

Just look up doctor

Her internal id has doctor in it

Chihaya is likely her chinese name, like iwai is

[random hornet]

n_QianZao is chihaya

[restive basalt]

Idk why you'd want them
It's literally just re-skinned models from the main game
I think the only exception is that Takemi's hair model was redone

[spiral pendant]

curiosity

[random hornet]

takemi is n_WuJianMiao

or n_WuJianMiao_doctor for the doctor outfit

[spiral pendant]

yeye

[restive basalt]

Textures aren't that fantastic tho
They're in the style of the betas

And early game

[restive basalt]

The old is on the right and unfortunately what global katayama uses 💔

Idk if i'm correct here, but I don't think Kiuchi's textures ever got updated beyond the beta

[restive basalt]

Tbh i don't know if the beta og PT were retextured

[zinc dirge]

I tried that it wasn't getting anything

[zinc dirge]

I'm losing my mind I swear I'm typing it right but I keeps saying it can't find anything

[random hornet]

what model are you looking for

and what are you typing

also this list might help

[zinc dirge]

It's okay I did something else and found everything I needed

Tho I now need to try and find the Mypalace music player

[zinc dirge]

You guys want a head scratcher?

why does her texture do this this is her normal BC texture this doesn't happen with her dark color texture

here it is

[random hornet]

probably the alpha

being applied wrong

i think its in the texture import settings in unity

[zinc dirge]

correct when importing it myself in my vrchat project it works just fine

[fringe kite]

the multipe image textures are for the different body types

[fringe kite]

no

its like

when you know what to search for you can narrow it down though (these are textures i swear)

[fringe kite]

im pretty sure iwai is remodeled

[restive basalt]

it just sucks since I was hoping we could find clues for maps in the names

[random hornet]

why use the dedupe dir

if you look in the individual frameanalysis folder the textures are grouped by draw call

[restive basalt]

that'd make 0 sense

[fringe kite]

well hes in the pull animation so it makes sense that they would want a model that looks nice

[random hornet]

isnt the pull anim prerendered

[restive basalt]

why remodel him? the only thing with Takemi that was different was her hair

and Lala looks exactly the same

[restive basalt]

that's why they're reskinned......

and also to fit in with the game's texture style

[random hornet]

u can tell when models are p5 ports because they just have default outline thickness everywhere

[restive basalt]

and they're always T-posed, if i'm correct

exceptions being the remodeled PT, a couple phantom idols, and NPC models

[fringe kite]

you can see some parts were redone

even on the leg topology

[restive basalt]

they did that for the p3r collab models and for Takemi

[fringe kite]

the hands have almost 4x the verticies

[restive basalt]

they usually increasse the vertice count.......

iirc they did that for the p3r collab models

[random hornet]

yeah but its not like its just subdivided

its like new detail

[restive basalt]

the body is also separated the same way a royal model is

[random hornet]

wdym by that

like its materials?

or meshes

[restive basalt]

no

[fringe kite]

p5r is 6217 (5759 merged), p5x is 14890 (10240 merged)

[restive basalt]

the meshes

i used to have a royal meshmod and i poked around at the models multiple times
it's split up almost the same way, from what I can see

it feels like a reload situation

the model is p5r but they did a little retopology with new UVs and textures

[random hornet]

atlus gave them hq assets they just had (real)

[restive basalt]

Lmao

Hey aaron, if you spliced a character's face, how would you handle the _f texture? 🤔

Would it have to be atlas'd or baked?

Or are _f textures not all unique to each character?

[random hornet]

im p sure _f textures are per character

but the mapping between faces is usually p similar

[restive basalt]

🤔 hmmm...
Because I spliced Yumi and Miyu's face

I'm curious how much of a clash there'd be by assigning the two halves their respective _f textures

The pieces are joined as one mesh with each face being a material

I'm speaking mainly in regards to your shadetest setup

[random hornet]

if you have the og uvs i think the best would be to bake them to a new texture with a new uv map

thieves have so many props my god

ignore capitalization, its a little fuuked and thats partially my doing

[restive basalt]

hmmm but the UV map would be split, wouldn't it?

because part of it is miyu's face and part of it is yumi's

so the UVS for Yumi would be on the lower half

and the UVs on Miyu would be on the upper

I can send you my girl's model to experiment
it'd be nice to know what motions i'd need to go through

i already know in some cases new darkcolor textures would have to be made

[restive basalt]

https://www.mediafire.com/file/pbhkaulk2f3s9zd/p5xviola.zip/file

[random hornet]

actually since theres no overlap between the faces uvs it should be simple to merge the textures together

might need to adjust tongue uvs but otherwise yeah

[random hornet]

im writing a more robust p5x centered tool in c# but im really struggling with ui and features
i have a lot of the groundwork done at least

[spiral pendant]

did we figure out something to find environments easier btw?

[random hornet]

what kind of environments

[spiral pendant]

I was thinking overworld areas, but curious about either or

[restive basalt]

Why would i need to adjust the tongue UVs? It's spliced in a way that the mouth box explicity belongs to Yumi
None of Miyu's mouthbox remained when I separated the eyes from the rest of her face

[restive basalt]

What would be the obvious features? Ones you know for sure will be there

[restive basalt]

Via baking?

[random hornet]

nah like in an image editor

[restive basalt]

Well, they typically are laid out pretty consistently (face textures)

If I look at where the UVs lay I can determine what to erase and keep

[random hornet]

yeah

exactly

[restive basalt]

P5X meshmodding gonna be tedious, texture wise, huh? Not difficult, but tedious

I have work to do for Viola then

[random hornet]

i mean it could be done with baking but i dunno that seemed like the harder path

but idk

difficult vs tedious is the choices i guess

[restive basalt]

It just seemed like the natural one
In regards to the _f texture

Since i'm talking the black and white face texture, not the diffuse

[random hornet]

yeah

[random hornet]

mainly features that the python script has (finding assets, extracting bundles) + more

[restive basalt]

Reading from an extracted directory or from the actual vIndex file?

[random hornet]

it reads from the vindex file

[restive basalt]

Oooo

I wonder what's in the other vindex files, actually

[random hornet]

wym

[restive basalt]

There's the other index files

The ones outside of the one we extract

I'm just sorta curious what's inside those ones

[random hornet]

im not aware of any other index files(?)

ik _vFileIndex.fb in client/bin, and its matching _vFileContent files

[restive basalt]

Yeah the filecontent files

Ones with 1, 2, 3, etc in the name

[random hornet]

the filecontent files contain the actual file contents smushed together

like all the bundles and such

[restive basalt]

While the vfileindex is everything together in one package?

[random hornet]

the vfileindex is how it knows which files to look in

its kinda like a table of contents

[restive basalt]

That makes more sense

Truly a curious game
Now I wonder if the contents of the filecontent files are random or intentional

And by that, I mean how like a game organizes folders such as characters, maps, animations, etc

Is each one dedicated to a specific thing? Or is it truly random?

[random hornet]

i dont think theres a rhyme or reason to it

but i havent really checked

and the bundle directory (the 000 part) is based on the bundles name hash, so no real meaning there

[restive basalt]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was or rhyme or reason
This is an infuriating game, after all

[random hornet]

a part that irks me is what the numbers at the end of the bundle names mean, but i doubt theres an answer in the games files or code

oh has someone tried the gltfast plugin to export characters from unity instead of fbx exporter

it might give better results

prob not

[restive basalt]

I don't think anyone has 🤔

It's too late in the evening atm for me to bother

Idk what that plugin is or does, but I picked up some swimsuit shun bundles earlier

[spiral pendant]

I haven't tried, I only did FBX exporter once and it gave me completely screwed weights

So I've just been doing the build method since

[torn kindle]

just tried it kinda messes up the bones and the normals but it is a lot faster, I'll check to see what it's like on fields in abit

[spiral pendant]

foamy sumi

[restive basalt]

Maybe look at other projects with ui? Somebody I know got permission from the creator of Switch Toolbox to make a version using the ui of Switch Toolbox but the program itself has none of the Switch stuff

[random hornet]

it annoys me how p5x handles cutins

cant get the full art image

[spiral pendant]

it's so wack

I noticed that too when I thought about modding them into P5 xd

[restive basalt]

I don't think full ones exist in the files

[random hornet]

they dont

[restive basalt]

Btw i sorta had an idea
If the ui program you're making is reading the FileIndex, maybe have a function where you type in the character ID and it lists out everything associated with it? I know you can do that with assetstudio, but you also have to wait for the bundles to actually all load

Or maybe have a drop down with a character list? You can click who you want and it'll display the asset list?

I don't know how feasible these are, just thoughts/ideas

[spiral pendant]

I do wonder if you could still do something to fit them in P5. But then again, that'd probably just be all zoomed in and ugly

[random hornet]

i mean i assume you could make it fit perfectly such that the obscured areas match up

[torn kindle]

i go through a lot of manual editing to do them for my mods, but it is possible to lay them out in a sprite sheet like dniwe did for the tactica cut in mod

[spiral pendant]

I'll have to give those a look

[random hornet]

the hell is ||Twins||_thief? or is there something in CN idk abt

[restive basalt]

huh
maybe the twins...?

[restive basalt]

no there isn't

also why does this boy have a 6 pack when all he does is eat instant ramen every day at lunch

[restive basalt]

you could always export the animator straight and see what the armature looks like

[spiral pendant]

I don't see anything about them in the confFashion thing

[restive basalt]

then when in doubt, export the animator

you may not see a mesh, but from the armature, you could get a vague idea

interesting
and animator with 'm_' called crazy_twins

m_ is usually used for monstrous forms for palace rulers and i think some fights with monstrous characters

ahhhh it's a tartarus shadow

[random hornet]

the model doesnt exist but this is from ConfCharacterResource

which references some models that arent in the game, like skull_test

[restive basalt]

a twin unit does sound interesting tho

[torn kindle]

could be elizabeth and theo maybe considering it could kinda tie in w p3 collab

[restive basalt]

99.9% sure if it's actually a twin unit that it'll be female twins RIP

[restive basalt]

maybe? that'd be an odd choice tho
last i recall, they aren't twins

[torn kindle]

oh

tbf their files have been in the game since launch

[random hornet]

well the npc models of caroline and justine

these are differently named

although no other data abt them

[restive basalt]

it'd be funny if it was justine and caroline tho

[random hornet]

also the npc models are named the chinese names like the other npcs

[restive basalt]

what're the names

[random hornet]

nvm

they're caroline and justine

[restive basalt]

the names were caroline and justine's chinese names?

[random hornet]

nah the models are just n_Caroline and n_Justine

[restive basalt]

under twins_thief?

[random hornet]

no

under Twins_thief it references models that currently dont exist, Caroline_thief and Justine_thief

[restive basalt]

i see

that's gonna be crazy

i await the day I finally see a new male unit

[random hornet]

junpei probably next

[restive basalt]

the well ran dry (at least phantom idol wise) after Cherish

[random hornet]

or ken

[restive basalt]

i mean more original characters

[random hornet]

yeah

[restive basalt]

not existing ones

the well dried up with Cherish 💔

At least he was a pretty boy

[random hornet]

the last og char was blitz and before that was berry and before that,,,

holy shit it has only been women

[restive basalt]

well....yeah

[spiral pendant]

gacha game moment

[restive basalt]

waifus sell, don't you know?

that's why there's so little p5x original male units

the latest (of story and phantom idols) has been Luce

[random hornet]

wheres the shichi kun phantom idol

[restive basalt]

lmao

[random hornet]

[restive basalt]

Runa

[random hornet]

oh yeaa howler

[restive basalt]

my bad

the furry

sorry it's just funny calling her that

at least they make the boys handsome/pretty
sans my son Kiyoshi

[spiral pendant]

it's got the double whammy for not caring about it's male characters

gacha game + persona game

[restive basalt]

true....

it's unfortunate

if they made more pretty boys i'd be in heaven

go through a palace with nothing but handsome men -
/j

i'd think the reception to Kira would maybe give them a bit of incentive

i'm gonna pull for Masaki even though I heard he isn't the greatest unless you pair him with Yusuke
but once he hits standard

[spiral pendant]

I almost wish I would've just got into CN instead

because global still having no soft pity worth a damn is legit criminal

but I'm also not about to play the game running everything through google translate

[restive basalt]

didn't we get the 110 recently?

[random hornet]

yeah but 110 still doesnt have soft pity like cn does

well, technically we dont know that for sure, not enough data

but i feel like they'd say something about it because that would win them points with the community

[spiral pendant]

I'm almost positive the other banners still don't at least

although I've been told global does technically have soft pity, it's just the rates are so garbage that it's basically the same as it not being there

but idk if that's been confirmed or not

[restive basalt]

RIP Soy's leg bends funny

better look

i thought I broke something while merging vertices but nope, his legs just be like that

[spiral pendant]

RIP my mans, that shit broke

[restive basalt]

the leg bones were so wonky

tbh I only need his chest

but I don't know if I spliced it with Wonder's legs that it'd move any better

i'll look anyway though
worst case scenario: I make make legs from one of Soy's other models

I mean, i did it once when I edited Sati's pants into legs

[restive basalt]

likely his tracksuit, seeing as those pants are pretty close to his legs

and I can just splice the feet
RIP life of a meshmodder

[restive basalt]

no...his leg just be like that 🗿

fml

[random hornet]

is there not like helper bones

[restive basalt]

i think it's better if you look directly to see what i mean

i also tried exporting straight from unity just for kicks
it was missing leg bones but the issue is that the leg still looked the same when I raised it

[random hornet]

yea ic

[restive basalt]

🗿 his legs are just...different in general
the tui bones are new to me

perhaps it's because Soy is an early character?

How will I ever make a male base...?

https://tenor.com/view/why-cry-why-pepe-why-why-pepe-cry-pepe-pepe-cry-gif-5847161834541812219

I could splice armatures with a different leg model, but the issue is body type
Such as the length of the waist, crotch lebel, etc
Splicing top and bottom halves is finicky

[random hornet]

how about wonder_uniform_paozao

[restive basalt]

Which one is paozao

Also, do the legs line up? Idk if Shun has longer legs than wonder

[restive basalt]

I know the big ones like Spring Festival/Chinese New Year, track suit, swimsuit, uniform, thief

But I haven't heard of paozao
I know his dress up outfits are numbered, but that's about it

checked my raw dump and ohhhh the bath model

maybe i'll pull a cray cray and do the old method with Wonder's armature
Since unfortunately Wonder's legs don't go up to crotch level

[spiral pendant]

so I know I saw you guys loaded animations into Unity, is it possible to actually export those as well?

[restive basalt]

You can export them with the animator
To get Blitz's animations I imported all the associated assets I found for her
I inported it into Unity, put together the model, then built the project
When I opened the project in assetstudio I just highlighted the animator and all her animation clips and did export animator + selecter animationclips

[spiral pendant]

okay cool

[restive basalt]

You can also just do one animationclip at a time

I was scared I crashed Blender when I first imported Blitz to look at her attack pose lmao

[spiral pendant]

lmao

gonna try messing around with putting one of these characters into P5, so ig we'll see how that goes

[spiral pendant]

hopefully I actually get that far and materials don't make me want to hurl myself off the nearest bridge

[restive basalt]

Hopefully
When in doubt, ask Morty ig

[spiral pendant]

I just dunno who to try with

I was thinking Riko because favoritism, but it'd have to be her Vast outfit and idk if her weapons also have anims or not

I don't remember actually seeing any random weapon anims strewn about in the files either

maybe Kotone then, idk

[restive basalt]

Hmmm....

Well, Wind may toss her parasol, but she still holds it idle, right?
iirc

It's possible the weapon animations are in the attack animations...?

Just a guess

[spiral pendant]

I haven't actually seen what her Vast animations look like lol

I know when she tosses it in her Wind animations, it like spins and what not

I would assume though that since the weapons have their own separate prefabs and animators, that they probably also have separate animations somewhere

but idk how this Unity stuff exactly works

[restive basalt]

Forget about the tint, it's just a blue light filter

It looks like she just swings the umbrella/parasol, it doesn't leave her hands unless she uses a persona skill

[restive basalt]

Neither do i lol
Maybe look at a weapon mesh asset and look for dependencies

Also her ranged weapon are shurikens
Kickass

[spiral pendant]

Riko Vast is indeed sick

but bet

[spiral pendant]

okay I think I got the animation clips all imported and everything

can't figure out how to actually preview them though

[spiral pendant]

also doing this doesn't put the animation clips into the exported project for me

[spiral pendant]

figured this out. apparently the Animator controller was missing? idk how I even got it to show up lol

😭

[restive basalt]

ignore that

just build the project like I said

and pick the export animator + selected animationclips option

in Blender you view animations in the dope sheet

well, the action editor to be specific

[spiral pendant]

does that work even if the animationclips don't actually show in AssetStudio?

because I built earlier but I don't see them there

[restive basalt]

the area i'm talking about in blender btw

[spiral pendant]

yeah I know that

[restive basalt]

i don't know the extent of your knowledge lol

[spiral pendant]

just a bit lost on if I'm supposed to be seeing the animationclips in the asset list or not lol

that's why I started just looking at them in Unity

[spiral pendant]

okay idk why they aren't there for me then

[restive basalt]

select the animator and then a clip (or clips) and click on this

as long as the animations are in the assets area of the project, they typically export?

idk
iirc I either looked up the animator or one of the meshes with the script to find the dependencies

and i just grabbed every one

it looks like for Blitz specifically, her animations were in this single bundle

[spiral pendant]

okay idk why they didn't export the first time

just to make me look like a dummy ig

[restive basalt]

Eh, is what it is
What's important is that it works now

[spiral pendant]

okay I thought Blender died importing it

but I think it works

just have to figure out how to fix scale and all that nonsense now xd

[restive basalt]

That's what I thought for Blitz as well 😭

[spiral pendant]

💀

I couldn't get the anims to export properly no matter what

wacko ass scale be like

[restive basalt]

@random hornet the people at p5x worldwide got back to me about what you found

[zinc dirge]

My mind just blew up

[spiral pendant]

okay, turns out my hard limit is animations lol

idk why but no matter what I tried, even with Mortyyy's help, the animations just refuse to work properly when exported

or maybe the problem is somewhere else, idk. I've run out of ideas as to what to try at this point because it feels like I've tried everything lol

[random hornet]

well im getting at least somewhere in uiland

i have no idea why there are 2 soy

[spiral pendant]

I'm kinda wondering if the plug-in just doesn't like these animations for some reason

[random hornet]

what plugin

[spiral pendant]

Because exporting them even without changing or doing anything, it just fucking dies lol

The Blender plugin

[random hornet]

i just used blenders normal fbx importer

and the anims were fine

[spiral pendant]

I can import them just fine

the problem is trying to export them into a .GAP, because no matter what I've tried, it just breaks

[random hornet]

hm

[spiral pendant]

although, I don't know if it would be the GFS plug-in specifically. because even exporting the animation as an fbx and trying to place it into a GAP through GFD Studio, it still doesn't work

I'm really lost on this one

[torn kindle]

im doing berry rn so i can give it a look

something i have noticed is exporting the models from a unity project wont work with assetstudio exported animators bc for some reason there's underscores instead of spaces in the unity bone names

[spiral pendant]

does that cause problems somewhere?

[torn kindle]

a lot

[spiral pendant]

[torn kindle]

bc basically then the anims dont have bones to like go to

but thankfully simple renamer can fix it p easily

[spiral pendant]

maybe that's the problem I'm having then

I've been just doing the build project way of exporting the models because Unity's FBX exporter was super jank for me

[random hornet]

if the model and the anims are both from assetstudio you wont have an issue with anims in blender

there must be something the anim does that doesnt export from blender correctly

[spiral pendant]

I mean I figure it has to be something to do with trying to scale them up since the scales are mismatched so severely between the P5X models and P5R

[torn kindle]

full process of me porting berry plus anims (exlcuding all the bone name fixing) it took like 13 mins total

and my better fbx 6.06 settings for asset studio model scaling

[spiral pendant]

ig I'll try to follow that again

what version of Blender are you on?

[torn kindle]

4.2

[spiral pendant]

weird

idk why but the GFS plug-in just like refuses to export models unless I go back to 3.6

[torn kindle]

yeah it can be really weird on 4.2

iirc they removed something used for setting up the normals in 4.2 so exporting models from it can be weird

[spiral pendant]

my mainstay has been 4.1, and it's been giving me some error about bounding spheres or something if I try exporting on 4.0+

but yeah I remember seeing the calc_normals_split one or something like that

[random hornet]

blender try not to break something in their scripting api every update challenge

[spiral pendant]

impossible

[restive basalt]

I did not expect you to take what I said seriously

[spiral pendant]

idk what the hell happened to her eyes, but we have something

[random hornet]

is the eye backwards

[spiral pendant]

I have no clue

it looks fine in Blender so idk what happened to it

[random hornet]

well blender has backface culling off by default

in blender turn this on and if the eye is red then thats the problem

[spiral pendant]

uh I don't think that'd be it lol

it looks like the rotation got screwed somehow

[random hornet]

ah

[spiral pendant]

also I just noticed her arms are screwed up too

xd

[random hornet]

wdym

[restive basalt]

. @random hornet

[restive basalt]

Should spoil that next time you post that outfit
It doesn't show up until version 3.2

And is tied to the plot

[spiral pendant]

I think anyone looking in the thread about model exporting probably doesn't care too much about spoilers

but aight

[restive basalt]

Better safe than sorry

[random hornet]

worst code

the only other way would be to open the asset bundle and see what the mesh export info wants but

honestly peak ui

ofc panther also breaks naming convention just because

both panther_uniform and panther_thief in the same asset name 😭

[spiral pendant]

P5 Ann 🤝 P5X Ann
Being the test dummy for modeling conventions

[restive basalt]

Not surprising
They do that from time to time

[restive basalt]

I don't understand since idk coding, but okay 😂
Mesh preview is probably beyond you, huh?

At least i guess

[random hornet]

yeah id have to have a unity bundle parser, and a unity asset parser

and also something to render 3d objects with

i think i could maybe use assetripper but i dunno

[restive basalt]

🤔
But names are just as sufficient

I think the only confusing case is Wonder's outfits 😭

Some are straightforward like panda hoodie or purple wonderland suit

[restive basalt]

Fun fact: that vr glasses asset will be used in the next (upcoming) story update

Well, if that model is what I think it is

[spiral pendant]

oh I wonder if this happened because I forgot about the renaming thing lol

[restive basalt]

Maybe 🤔

[spiral pendant]

ig I need to figure out how to write the renaming script for that

I've not actually written anything like that for Blender before

nor do I have any experience writing stuff in python

[torn kindle]

https://extensions.blender.org/add-ons/simple-renaming-panel/

womp

unless you're on about a full script renaming p5x bones to p5

[spiral pendant]

bet

and nah, not really sure what the point of that would be lol

[spiral pendant]

okay bless up, I think that fixed it

definitely shouldn't have done all this stuff with the weapon and gun together though because now I have to figure out how to separate those lol

[torn kindle]

what're you doing this for jw

[spiral pendant]

funsies

and curiosity about how far I can get doing a full character replacement

I'm sure I'll hit a wall that I either don't have the skill and/or patience to get over at some point lol

[torn kindle]

jw has anyone tried getting a camera loaded/exported

[random hornet]

i think the camera is attached to a bone on the character

at least for timeline animations

[spiral pendant]

they do have bones named like t_camera I think

[torn kindle]

hmm okay jw bc i wouldn't mind getting my hands on wonders highlight one

[random hornet]

ah hm

[torn kindle]

or any tbh i tried before and could never get them working but doing it manually isn't fun either

[random hornet]

whats that anim or timeline called

for one more

[torn kindle]

wonder_thief@onemore

and then the cameras usually have cam somewhere

at the either the start or the end i cant remember

[random hornet]

hm

this anims not on his normal animator right

[torn kindle]

it's on his thief prefab but the camera anims aren't stored there

[random hornet]

hm

well idk anything atm but i can look later i guess. theres probably some info in the lua scripts

i know theres timeline prefabs for one mores too like TL_wonder_onemore.prefab

but idk how timelines work

or like a highlight would be TL_wonder_HighLight.prefab

i tried looking at some TL prefabs but i didnt see any anims

these timelines also can sometimes contain assets related to that animation

[random hornet]

oh theres also TL_wonder_HighLight_simplified.prefab, which i think is the version that plays if you've seen the highlight at least once in the current game session

[random hornet]

turns out most P5 phantom thieves have their body mesh in a seperate bundle

[spiral pendant]

What type of bundles would the battle UI stuff be in? (Specifically like the sprites, cutin, and AoA stuff)

would those just be like ui_or something like that?

[random hornet]

uitex_

like uitex_doutexie1011a509.bundle has some cutins

allout attacks are usually in uitex_alattack, or uitex_lattacks, or uitex_attack-*

and the icons for the first part of the AoA is in uitex_ongji-027ac0477a and uitex_s_ongji-027ac0477a

_s_ only has wonder and cattles

a lot of wonder and cattle assets get split out because the mobile version you can play the first bit of the story without downloading the full game

oh and some of joker's assets too, because prologue

[spiral pendant]

bet

[spiral pendant]

I just realized, when it comes to P5 character replacement, there's a lot of animations that are gonna be unaccounted for here

item cycle is different
ambush idle
hold up
tactics
showtimes
other random stuff like Protect, Harisen Recovery, follow up attacks and what not

[torn kindle]

yeah and the bones are different in such a way that you can’t even use gfd’s retarget so

[random hornet]

do they get confused by twist bones or somn

or is it just the naming

[torn kindle]

naming iirc

[spiral pendant]

I'm guessing that's why you were telling me to use rokoko to retarget the anims to a P5 rig lol

[torn kindle]

yeah

[spiral pendant]

rip

well I am interested to see if what I got does work. curious if the animation timings for stuff like baton pass and what not is actually gonna line up

but if nothing else, this was a fun little distraction

[zinc dirge]

What does wq mean? I'm looking for guns and some of them have wq at the beginning some don't

[random hornet]

wq seems to signify that it is not rigged like a normal part

[restive basalt]

Goat seiji spotted

[restive basalt]

@random hornet yeah, I don't think this is gonna work 🗿

[random hornet]

hm

[restive basalt]

i'll try seeing how Phoebe's will look though

i just have to edit Phoebe's darkcolor texture

[restive basalt]

Phoebe doesn't have a face shadow
Puppet does, but the shadow is for her hair, not any other part of her hair

overall it's not reacting to light at all

[random hornet]

if ur using the face shader i did thats normal

[restive basalt]

no i know
but it's not reacting to any light

it doesn't matter the angle

[random hornet]

you have to use a driver for the face direction

oh

hm

is your input -1 to 1

[random hornet]

i mean in the shader

theres a character dir option

[restive basalt]

0.690

[random hornet]

yeah try changing that

[restive basalt]

still doesn't change with light position tho

[random hornet]

yeah it doesnt unless you make a driver

[restive basalt]

huh? When I used Blitz, it did it according to where the light shined

oh well
using the thing like you did seems to do the trick

thankfully it looks like Phoebe lays okay on Puppet

there's this little bump but it's almost unnoticeable unless you look for it

[random hornet]

i think i could make it a little better if i use geonodes to get the sun

[restive basalt]

i guess by making new textures i'm inadvertently testing the shader

then again, as a whole I am treading into uncharted territories with this model

it looks like for darkcolor textures, it's roughly -50 or so
the only difference is the skin tone

that's something that has to manually be fixed

[random hornet]

i think i have another idea for applying face normal texture actually

[restive basalt]

oh?

[random hornet]

ill have to mess with it later i guess

[restive basalt]

it's unfortunate I can't make a shadow texture for her hair
or maybe I can

the UVS should be the same, so maybe...

[restive basalt]

....huh

vino's irl hair model doesn't have a normal texture

@random hornet what's going on with her hands

it's like the darkcolor texture overrode the diffuse

[random hornet]

whats the hand material look like

[restive basalt]

ah nvm 😭 the friggin lamp just wasn't bright enough

[random hornet]

i just use a sun

instead of a point light

[restive basalt]

i was using an area light

my brain is probably fried from having to make some new maps

man BWS doing weird shit with Sepia

in the summer event he's wearing a different colored cardigan that's solid color, no design on it

but he shares the same shadow map as his normal outfit, soo....

idk where on the shadow map that stupid design is 🗿

💀

[restive basalt]

no issues, just showing it off in action

[spiral pendant]

the face shadow setup I was trying looked really weird until I tested it with a Point light instead of a Sun

[restive basalt]

i just realized that it was the normal doing this, not the shadow i should've noticed sooner

[restive basalt]

she looks likes she walked out of the game....

[restive basalt]

40 textures.

[restive basalt]

@random hornet just saw this posted in datamine chat

[random hornet]

a small difference between cn and global i noticed is maintenance, on CN the latest patch is only available after maintenance ends, but on global the patch is pretty much available to download right when maintenance starts

[restive basalt]

Interesting

[random hornet]

tabs

[restive basalt]

This is looking sick

Doing the god's work here, my man

[random hornet]

ic what rigs the thieves alliance screen is using. noir_thief.prefab doesn't exist but noir_thief_nocontroller.prefab does exist (in global)

[restive basalt]

Interesting
Speaking of Noir
Remember when I was asking what her uniform prefab was? I only remembered last night, but viola don't even wear those shoes for her p5x outfit 😭 she wears boots

[zinc dirge]

Hey so is it possible to look for textures cuz I am exporting Okyanns persona but when I exported I'm pretty sure I'm missing some textures

NVM found it

I find that sometimes the P5Xutils exports blank bundles but when I get the bundles myself in the files it has stuff in them

[random hornet]

thats odd

[zinc dirge]

I've had that happen a lot to me

Well not a lot but more than once

[random hornet]

have you downloaded the latest version of the script?

[zinc dirge]

I think so?

But to be sure I'll download again

It would be cool if we could get the unity shaders they used I only got some weird UI shaders

[random hornet]

the shaders bundle has them but i dunno if theres a tool that can decompile them

asset ripper free fails at least

[zinc dirge]

Hope we find/do something to get them that would be hype

I'd also like to get efx as well at some point

[restive basalt]

how much does a paid version cost?

also aaron is there any possible way to decode the dotstroke textures
I know what they're used for but how the fuck do they choose the colors they do

[random hornet]

oh idk

some chars stroke textures is literally a very dark version of their normal tex

[restive basalt]

there must be some ryhme (spl?) or reason to these

[random hornet]

i assume they just pick a color for whatever looks best

i dont think there's a particular reason

[torn kindle]

i mean the stroke textures are just for outlines so they're not exactly that important iirc

[restive basalt]

true

i'm also just trying to figure some of this out idk

for making custom ones, that is

@random hornet check your DMs
i took one for the team

[random hornet]

ok nah premiums shader decompiler errors out as well unfortunately

[restive basalt]

😔

well at least you have some more fancy features?

[random hornet]

im gonna try its script decompiler

i dont think it could decompile most fns, sad

[zinc dirge]

😔

Also looking at Okyann she's got a rainbowramp and a noise texture

[random hornet]

hm

well the rainbow ramp takes place of the normal gradient most chars use

on her body

[spiral pendant]

Kotone's Figure Skater variant uses those as well

[zinc dirge]

Hm I'm just trying to figure out how to use that with the vrchat shader

[random hornet]

doesnt poiyomi have an option to use a texture ramp

altho idk if poiyomi has a dark/light texture thing to emulate how p5x does it

[zinc dirge]

Does it? I haven't looked at it I've been using the quest allowed shaders from VR chat

[random hornet]

that limits things quite a bit

idk why they dont allow custom shaders on quest/android

is silly

[zinc dirge]

I mean quest isn't all that powerful if you have like 30 avatars with high details and stuff it tends to leg hard

Here's been my setup for the most part

Stroke is for outline color yeah?

[restive basalt]

yup

[random hornet]

u cant rlly do outline on quest tho in this case

no custom shaders and too many verts

[zinc dirge]

Hm okay vrchat has a shader with outline but it only uses texture for width of the outline

[zinc dirge]

No not for quest but I can do a separate PC VR avatars

[restive basalt]

although it looks like the outline isn't wanting to behave with the face grrr

skill issue tho

[random hornet]

whatr you trying

[restive basalt]

duplicating the mesh, deleting the materials and making new ones so both models don't change textures when I mess with them
apply the dotstroke texture, flip the normals. use alt+s to shrink/fatten the mesh

grrr

body cooperated just fine

it's always the face

[random hornet]

have you looked at the geo node group i use

[restive basalt]

aaron i don't have the color attributes

[random hornet]

ah

[restive basalt]

i gotta do this the old fashioned way

body outlines aren't bad
it's always the face

[spiral pendant]

I'd say maybe you didn't merge by distance? but I've never seen a jacked up face outline like that

[restive basalt]

i'm retrying it now

i see outline...
but then I don't

[torn kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qxG2TpbJOHg

[restive basalt]

i know how to make an outline, Morty....
but i'll look anyway
but I am positive i'm doing this right
the body does well
it's just the face 🗿

[spiral pendant]

face and hair are always janky when doing outlines

[spiral pendant]

probably dumb question, but do you have backface culling on?

[restive basalt]

yes

i learned this from ApricotHere:

• duplicate mesh
• make a basis and key 1 (outline mesh)
• alt + n to flip normal (outline mesh)
• merge by distance on outline for p5x models. the basis, not outline shape key
• alt + s to scale (outline mesh)
• enable backface culling
• anything broken, select and then go vertex > blend from shape. disable add checkbox

[zinc dirge]

I've noticed sometimes I'll get the color attributes and sometimes I don't

[restive basalt]

same

[zinc dirge]

Is it possible to make the color attributes yourself?

[random hornet]

you can

with vertex painting

its basically just paint the eyes and mouth black and everything else red

[restive basalt]

oh, it looks like Miyu and Yumi have it

[random hornet]

oh you could do a data transfer

[restive basalt]

the only issue is if it will match the body outline color

[zinc dirge]

I've looked through the shader and I don't understand how you called the color attributes in the nodes

[random hornet]

i use the color attributes in the geo nodes

[zinc dirge]

What's geo node?

[random hornet]

it lets you generate geometry with nodes

it has its own tab just like shading

[zinc dirge]

In blender?

[random hornet]

yeah

what version are you on

[zinc dirge]

4. Something and like 2. Something I have both

[spiral pendant]

oh if you're making shapekeys for it then it's probably not showing outside of edit mode because you don't have it enabled

although ngl, I don't really understand the purpose of making a shapekey for an outline like this

[restive basalt]

no no it's not that

[restive basalt]

you make a shapekey so that if you want to turn the outline on or off you can just use the key
that way you don't have to keep making a new one or whatever

i already resolved it

[spiral pendant]

you could also do that with any of the modifiers methods but alrighty then

[random hornet]

also the hardest part abt making a preview is the unity asset parsing

i hate how unity does its filesystem

[restive basalt]

it is what it is

i'm just greatful for what we have right now

[restive basalt]

outline helper, solidify, shape key...
none of them want to cooperate with the mouth

i tried those geo nodes but her face disappears
idk if it just shrunk or something because I tried scaling it up but saw nothing

and, of course, the eyes

maybe I need to separate the mouthbox from the face itself

[spiral pendant]

face outlines are almost always going to require you to do some manual fixing around the eyes and mouth, regardless of what method you use

[zinc dirge]

Is someone able to check if Okyann has a body mask texture?

[restive basalt]

sure

thief, right?

[zinc dirge]

Yes please

[restive basalt]

okyann does not have a mask texture for her body
she has that rainbow ramp and one called 'body_noise'

[zinc dirge]

Interesting

[zinc dirge]

I have those textures I'm wondering how they not have the rainbow texture on the skin part

You know sometimes I say things and maybe figure it out right away

Noise texture is a mask texture somewhat

And I think the rainbow texture is used with rim light

[restive basalt]

well, i meant more a texture withough mask in the name lol

[zinc dirge]

Lmao ik I was hoping for one but I chucked the Noise texture where the mask texture would be and it worked

[random hornet]

the vertex colors help alot tho

actually i did 0 fixing for wonder just his color attribute

[spiral pendant]

yeah they already did the work there

kinda just speaking in general because most of the time, when you're importing game models into Blender, you don't have the luxury of having stuff like that preserved

whether it be because of the export method or they mask those areas off some other way

[zinc dirge]

Does she have a stroke texture

[restive basalt]

i may have a better result this time
I asked ApricotHere to take a look and he pointed out some stuff

[restive basalt]

faces don't have stroke textures

but I made one for Yumi and Miyu

[zinc dirge]

Sorry I meant Okyann

[torn kindle]

oh yeah jw could someone do me a huge favour and lob me the bundles for all the p3 cast currently in p5x

[random hornet]

face materials just use a solid color stroke texture

[torn kindle]

i would do it myself but uhh

[spiral pendant]

🐈‍⬛

[torn kindle]

[restive basalt]

i never saw a dotstroke texture for the face tho

solid color or not

diffuse, normal, darkcolor, and sometimes shadow (or do they always have shadow?)

[zinc dirge]

So messing with poiyomi has led me to believe there isn't a spot to put the shadow texture

[random hornet]

is there not an ao map slot

[zinc dirge]

Yes but it doesn't seem to do anything

Unless I'm doing something wrong

Nvm figured it out

Now my issue are with the PK map

[random hornet]

whats up with it

[zinc dirge]

Well ik red is metalic and green is roughness which in unity I believe is called smoothness and blue is ambient occlusion

I'm just trying to move the sliders to look right