(P5R PC) Rose & Violet - Story overhaul

[surreal ermine]

but in that case the left eye won't work

hmmm

i do think the best thing to do with this is to tilt her

[buoyant arch]

another problem I'd face is the animation

closed lids, her lashes might go a bit more to the side

if it's tilted, that difference in space might cause it to go out of bounds

[surreal ermine]

ergh

[bold mortar]

this

[buoyant arch]

oh, i see

[buoyant arch]

this is probably the closest I could do, while making sure the blink wouldn't cause her lashes to go out of bounds

then again, I could fill that space with a hand or something

but idk

[surreal ermine]

yeah i'm thinking of hand poses

[buoyant arch]

food for thought, cause I'm heading to sleep rn

[surreal ermine]

maybe hand on her neck?

that's a bit masculine

she does this chin tap thing in an idle animation

maybe that

[buoyant arch]

maybe I'll give her the hand I had on the very first attempt I did

hell nah

anyways, I might have a few ideas of what to do

there is some nice, flowy and elegant hand gestures I could have her do

but I did try to save the hand gesture more for her PT bustup, as it's where she can really show herself

this is a lot harder than it should be

[bold mortar]

ok it's been implemented

[safe pebble]

is she carrying a gucci purse LMAO

[bold mortar]

perhaps

idk

[jade willow]

yukari is a material girl 💅

[bold mortar]

it just occurred to me i need to turn mod menu back on since there is no other way to test this for me rn

ok not bad

probably just gonna remain something only i can use though

also gonna say it again

screw the incognito arc for not letting us the winter outfits more

[jade willow]

alright time to test the new weights in game

[jade willow]

I really love this! Cute

Funny that you say that, I feel like the winter outfits are used just as much as the summer ones

[bold mortar]

idk

i think the incognito arc lasts too long

so we don't see the winter outfits that much

either way though

my inability to make configs strikes again

this is one of those custom versions that only I get to use ig

[safe pebble]

the blue eyes

https://tenor.com/view/how-people-with-blue-eyes-look-at-you-blue-eyes-people-blink-scary-gif-3937667069785399993

[jade willow]

she looks so cuteeee

[jade willow]

lmao shes really giving satoru gojo

[bold mortar]

i didn't even touch that outfit with my mods

[jade willow]

I think Im gonna pop this in the overworld its too cute

[bold mortar]

oh like another summer outfit?

[jade willow]

yes

The only thing is her tie is a little pushed forward. Should be easy to push it more flush. Or maybe I will just remove it

[bold mortar]

idk

kinda need the tie for the tarflap

[jade willow]

now I feel like it feels a little stiff no?

man why is my video quality so bad

[bold mortar]

idk

[jade willow]

Hmmm

[bold mortar]

i think when i finish this p5 run i'm gonna play the Thousand Year Door Remake

[jade willow]

by the way @safe pebble how did you get your sword from the ange mod to be default?

[bold mortar]

though i've modded it to be like the original so i wonder what's the point

[bold mortar]

not eve but what I would do is replace the golden rapier model

wouldn't do well in releasing the mod, but idk that's what i would do

[jade willow]

Oh no I wouldnt release it

I just want to personally use it as my default

[bold mortar]

yeah you could replace the golden rapier

[jade willow]

the thing is I did change the golden rapiers but it didnt work..

[bold mortar]

in that case

[bold mortar]

idk then

i don't touch the weapons

[jade willow]

oh. I dont have golden rapiers enabled

duhh

[bold mortar]

wouldn't mind doing that though since most of the high level weapons have models that I dislike

would much rather they have simple models

[jade willow]

Yeahhh

does the model actually change when you switch the weapon?

[bold mortar]

wdym

also now i'm at the hawaii segment

so i get to see the changes zylvos added a few months ago

only downside is that hawaii reminds me of my least favorite Yakuza game

[jade willow]

oh here is that texture that eve was looking for

[jade willow]

it was very cool! I really felt like Kasumi was one of the girls

[bold mortar]

i'll die on this hill too

actually no pirates is the worst one

actually that one probably is set in hawaii too

idk i didn't play it

[bold mortar]

hawaii is also making me notice that the long hair ann models have something wrong with the models' shaders

i don't think her face is supposed to look like this

[safe pebble]

i did!

you'll have to manually replace the sword model in the files

uhhhh

i'll have to check where its located again but its just the sword model copy and pasted 9 times

under different names

[jade willow]

Oh I think I figured it out!

also did you find the phone texture?

[jade willow]

She looks the same to me idk

[safe pebble]

"for the rapier weapon model, paste it in Characters/Joker/1/MODEL/WEAPON/ nine times
and name them WP0001.GMD, WP0002.GMD, WP0002.GMD, and so on until 9" thanks to raven for the info :)

@jade willow

[jade willow]

Thank you! 💖

[safe pebble]

i think i did!

its under joker's "items" folder

one of them should be the phone

i think there's multiple variants of it

used for different events/cutscenes

[jade willow]

nice! I just wanted to let you know incase you didnt see it

[bold mortar]

maybe it's just something with ann

idk it seems like she isn't being cel-shaded

[radiant plume]

they are missing the shader yes
the swimsuit model is one i know for sure has that issue

[random hinge]

There're aren't a lot of animations for Sumire holding her purse/bag on her shoulder. Most of them are in the GAP Croissant Guard pointed out and a few more in AE0010_563.GAP and AE0010_570.GAP. The other animations I've found are just a billion variations of Sumire bowing.
I've been thinking of replacing Sumire's bowing animations in events with something else (it's a bit weird to bow to her sister like that all the time), but there's so little to work with

[bold mortar]

yeah the bowing is a bit jarring

is there a waving animation?

[random hinge]

The long hair Ann model do have some kind of shader problem. They look very distinct from the other models in game

[random hinge]

Not with the purse

[bold mortar]

oh

[bold mortar]

i suppose a material swap might fix it

@random hinge is the hawaii bustup in a .bin?

[random hinge]

For NPCs, all bustups are in .bin files

https://amicitia.miraheze.org/wiki/Persona_5_Royal/ps4.cpk/bustup

[bold mortar]

what i mean more is that she's using the hair down bustup here

[random hinge]

Oh, it's the Ryuji Hawai event from the male romance, right?

[bold mortar]

yeah

[random hinge]

By default, the game uses Joker with no glasses here, which is replaced with Kasumi long hair

Raven has to add a little thing to the BMD to force the use of the default portrait (ponytail)

[bold mortar]

i see

[errant zenith]

Holy models

[bold mortar]

finally onto the morgana "arc"

which means i get some peace and quiet for 20 minutes

[jade willow]

I changed the bow texture in blender and now its like this

[pseudo dock]

Did you have any issues?

[surreal ermine]

huh?

[random hinge]

Basically, since Hawaii events use the long hair bustup (= no glasses Joker) while Kasumi has a ponytail, the portrait during dialogue choice must be overridden. You just need to add a specific tag in one of the SEL option

For instance, in my Ann Hawaii events, I've added [f 4 29 0] in the first answer of each dialogue choice (SEL)

You don't need to add it to every choice

This will use portrait 0 here

[jade willow]

what is this top doiiiing 😭 does anyone know how to position this so it lines up with the main body? It has no armature

actually I might have an idea

[bold mortar]

you know i'm not sure about this idea

[jade willow]

uuuuh 😭

Maybe make it shorter?

[bold mortar]

ngl i don't think this is salvageable

well

maybe it could be

definitely would have to be shorter though

[errant zenith]

Aww man they made my Kasumi a Ojou-sama

[errant zenith]

Oo that’s nice

[bold mortar]

made it a bit longer

if i went with this i'd need to make the bottom not transparent

also also retexture the coat

and then come up with the outfit underneath

[errant zenith]

Hmm

[jade willow]

she looks very material girl

rich girl

[bold mortar]

i mean yeah thats why i don't really think it would fit kasumi

[jade willow]

this plus rise hair plus sunglasses on head?? 👀

star vibes

[bold mortar]

I'll still probably fiddle with the idea anyways

Later today

[jade willow]

I started working on a midwinter as well

[molten finch]

Is this supposed to be Midwinter Casual or Midwinter Uniform?

[jade willow]

its intended to be a midwinter casual!

Im thinking of changing the texture of the skirt if it feels too uniform-y

[molten finch]

Ahh okay just want to be sure

[jade willow]

By the way how did your edit go?

[molten finch]

What do you mean?

[jade willow]

Your shoes ? You were putting sandals on an outfit right?

[molten finch]

Ohh yeah

[jade willow]

How did it go?

[molten finch]

Sent a DM btw

Also

Imagine spending time with the Sister as Kasumi/Rose in Hawaii rn

https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/1ovdm3i/we_were_robbed/

https://fixupx.com/ScrambledFaz/status/1446202765513043969

If that's true

[woeful isle]

Reddit • Persona5 • vxreddit

[buoyant arch]

it's very sloppy for now, but it would be somewhat like this if I were to keep going with it.

Thoughts?

I may put her hair over her other shoulder to occupy some of that blank space

[jade willow]

that sounds like a great idea

I love the new angle idk

she looks more...teasing? idk if thats the right word

cheerful?

[buoyant arch]

she's giving a knowing look almost, yeah

like she knows you evaded taxes

prob because of the smile

then again, it is just a sloppy lineart

[jade willow]

hahaha

I think its the position of the eyes

I like it. But it might just fit the way I see Kasumi in my mind so Im biased

[buoyant arch]

if it fits kasumi i probably did it right then

in some aspects, at least

[jade willow]

Its funny how its the same girl but this version gives a totally differnt vibe from the short haired one

Like different people

[buoyant arch]

hair trully is magnificent in telling a lot about a person

[bold mortar]

Too bad that angle probably doesn't work with the Makoto Yuki hair

[buoyant arch]

yeah, the entire foreground eye would be covered

i'll have to use the short hair kasumi one for yours

[bold mortar]

Makes sense

[bold mortar]

nice

[jade willow]

the skirt is having some clipping and the jacket needs to be adjusted but I think Im gonna test it in game to get a general vibe

[granite wren]

I wonder if making the skirt red would look good
or a bit darker, so you have the blue/black vibe then offset by the colourful scarf and ribbon

[bold mortar]

i wonder what outfit i'd put under the mitsuru coat

also i've been promoted to best of this week from best of today

[jade willow]

congrats!

[surreal ermine]

my goal is to be best of this month

did r&v male romance get best of this month?

[jade willow]

I was thinking of changing the colors of everything, but we'll see how that goes

I always end up going for pink though..

[bold mortar]

probably

ik it got featured

i haven't been featured yet

[surreal ermine]

mine got featured on the gamebanana homepage for a day yeah

[bold mortar]

says it got 2 features

[surreal ermine]

still my worst mod i made a few years ago (better haru rejection) got best of the banana somehow

i'm gonna revise that one day and make it a better rejection for most of the girls

[bold mortar]

i think best of all time will go to whichever mod removes moragana's narration

[surreal ermine]

i still think at least KAP deserves best of all time

[granite wren]

Oh actually... the Tsubasa workout outfit I was thinking about comming has a pink T-shirt, I could toss you the texture and see how you think?
I dunno if it'd be able to map over exactly but hey it's worth a try

Pink shirt, red scarf, not sure what you'd do for the jacket but it's a start if you want a splash of pink

[bold mortar]

should just pay for someone to remove it at this rate

[bold mortar]

anyways i should figure this out

what would work best

[jade willow]

hmm maybe? I would probably just grab the colors from it!

[granite wren]

[bold mortar]

could steal something from another character maybe...

hmmm

[jade willow]

also shes white

[bold mortar]

need the texture...

[jade willow]

Do I have to pack textures with normals a certain way?

[bold mortar]

or i could just use the midwinter shujin first

as a basis

or better yet, i can fix the coat first and then make sure it works in game lol

[jade willow]

dare I say I kinda miss brown hair rose??? 😭 she looks so cute

[bold mortar]

As opposed to red rose?

[jade willow]

Yes

[bold mortar]

Idk I don't use Red Rose so I don't have this problem

[jade willow]

I was already indecisive between the colors but I felt red rose made more sense as they kinda are identical

[bold mortar]

Given my views on the twin question I prefer the brown hair version

[bold mortar]

i think i will need to proportional edit this to make it fit more snugly

[jade willow]

What is an proportional edit?

[bold mortar]

basically gradually edit the layers until they're right

it how i made the turtleneck uniform

first though i think i need to solve this problem

[jade willow]

ohhh

I hate proportional edit

[bold mortar]

hmm

ig that's alright

ok that's better

needs some adjustment

but better

[jade willow]

these dang textures dont want to work

[pseudo dock]

what texture is the issue?

[bold mortar]

needs some editing but it looks like this can work

[jade willow]

these meshes are from p5x. I tried replicating what Mortyyy did for the ange model, but I think its just the diffuse?

It looks normal in blender as well

[pseudo dock]

click on the object and go to the materials tab. And then click on gfs materials

scroll down until you see this and screenshot it.

[jade willow]

okay I think this is it?

[pseudo dock]

looks to be the issue

set out UV for diffuse normal and specular to the UV that is on the node for each

though you'll need to copy over another diffuse texture node from another model

[jade willow]

like this?

I copied these from the ange model, the specular as well I think

[pseudo dock]

no set these

they're drop downs that go from UV0-9

You have to set them to the corrosponding UV in the texture

[jade willow]

ooooh!

So like this?

[pseudo dock]

are they all on UV1?

[surreal ermine]

tbh the white dress look is kind of cute...

[pseudo dock]

were they on different UVs before?

[jade willow]

they were on 0 I think but it was not picking up the texture

😅

[pseudo dock]

no like

the node

[surreal ermine]

noooo kasumi's back to being a rebel

[pseudo dock]

this, were they all originally UV1?

[surreal ermine]

I am lazing in bed I should get back to editing those animations

[jade willow]

yeah haha these were all 0 but then I switched them to 1 and it showed up in blender

sorry I should have mentioned that 😭

[pseudo dock]

That should be fine then

you will still need to replace the diffuse

one sec

[bold mortar]

is she?

[pseudo dock]

this should tell you how to replace the diffuse node

if you have any questions just ask

[surreal ermine]

the jacket isn't in uniform

[pseudo dock]

rebels are pretty cool

[surreal ermine]

crossaint guard the 3d master

[pseudo dock]

i'm pretty average tbh

[granite wren]

I think Atlus should make a game about them or something...

[pseudo dock]

yeah... Maybe in persona 6 or 7?

[bold mortar]

ik it's just a way to test it quick

believe me i would never include something in the uniform that isn't permitted

[pseudo dock]

high class kasumi

[surreal ermine]

she's lookin rich

[jade willow]

I think I did it! Ill try to pack it and export it! Thank you for taking the time to show me 💗

[surreal ermine]

average akage creator comment

[pseudo dock]

yeah looks good now

[surreal ermine]

akage's gotta be the most out-of-uniform

[pseudo dock]

She will be. Not sure why we went with the outfit that we did honestly.

[jade willow]

😭 this giiiirl

[pseudo dock]

hmm

[jade willow]

I wonder if I need to do that for each specular and normal, etc?

[pseudo dock]

ah

you forgot the shadow too

mb I should've looked more

[jade willow]

No thats my fault! Thank you

Okay if it doesnt work this time its because brown haired kasumi hates me 🤞

[bold mortar]

yeah i'm wondering if this is even worth making 😭

seems out of place

[jade willow]

Idk its a vibe though!!

she hates me confirmed

[pseudo dock]

hmm

could I have the model?

[jade willow]

Its kinda a mess in here 😭 But I dont think the weird parenting is related to the texture issues

[pseudo dock]

we'll see

could I have uniform.dds

[jade willow]

oh no was it missing??

[pseudo dock]

interesting

seems like it doesn't like uniform.dds

[jade willow]

hmm. I imported it into photopea as it was originally a PNG then exported it as a .dds

[pseudo dock]

could I get the png version

[jade willow]

of course, 1 sec

[pseudo dock]

thank you

I see the issue

it looks like the models have only UV map 1. Which I guess causes issues? At least some of the model textures were set to UV0 when one did not exist.

like here

semi works now

[pseudo dock]

ah right, yeah it makes sense now. Not sure why I forgot before

just next time keep them all at their respective UV map

i'll tell you how to add back in maps after i'm done

I might need the blend file thinking about it

nvm

were all the the UVs 0?

[jade willow]

they were yes 😭

[pseudo dock]

interesting

[jade willow]

sorry I just got back. Im not sure if its because its p5x?

[pseudo dock]

do you have a file thats before the UV change?

[jade willow]

I know it has normals etc

[pseudo dock]

they should be fine

[jade willow]

a much earlier one

it was a wip so elements are missing but I hadnt messed with the textures yet

[pseudo dock]

oh it was an xps before?

[jade willow]

oh...yes!

Is there something specific that needs to be done with xps ??

[pseudo dock]

no, just asking

[jade willow]

I see

[jade willow]

No way! You actually did it!

[pseudo dock]

so it seemed to be a combination of the material and the normal texture being buggy

I sadly had to remove the normal texture. I'm not sure how to get it working otherwise

shoes fixed too

[bold mortar]

perhaps...

[bold mortar]

definitely need to make the arms thinner i think

[jade willow]

I would have never in a million years figured that out. Thank you so much!!!

[pseudo dock]

btw this is how you add UVmaps, also it's 6 not 9 mb

I'll show you how I fixed the outfit too

[jade willow]

I actually have no idea about uv maps. Is it always 6?

[pseudo dock]

yeah 6 max

[jade willow]

So basically this all started because I changed it from 0 to 1 😭

[pseudo dock]

here, dunno why the shirt didn't get fixed but it's the same issue so must be something I missed

[pseudo dock]

not exactly, the normal maps were still a problem

[pseudo dock]

oh it's still using the old material, well that should give you a good comparison atleast

[bold mortar]

ok this is better

something else i gotta do is make a proper outfit to go underneath

and retexture the coat

@jade willow do you think it should be a different color?

[jade willow]

Okay, I think I understand...so do the same process as here for the top? Thank you so so so much by the way! I didnt realize so much went into the texture side of blender. I should probably watch an informative video on uv maps and so on

[jade willow]

I like this color! Black and brown are a bit more subtle but I think that white fits Kasumi best

In this case

[pseudo dock]

Yeah

[bold mortar]

ok

[jade willow]

okay so now I get to practice what I learned

[bold mortar]

in that case now that i've finished the retexture

that means it's time to come up with the clothes underneath

guess that the midwinter uniform would be a start

since all you'd need to do is import the uniform

[jade willow]

It worked!! Thank you so much Croissant, youre the goat!

[pseudo dock]

np, glad it worked out

[bold mortar]

hmm would the scarf be kept

[jade willow]

could you zoom out?

[jade willow]

Its up to you but the scarf looks a little awkward

(imo)

[bold mortar]

probably yeah

[jade willow]

maybe a different scarf?

[bold mortar]

so scarf might be good but kasumi's wouldnt?

hmmm

who else has a scarf

also is the coat too short?

[jade willow]

i feel like it feels a little awkard here from the way its tied

[pseudo dock]

joker and ann have one

on their midwinter outfits

[jade willow]

A lot of people do actually! Shiho as well

okay time to test it in game

[bold mortar]

would something more like this work better

[jade willow]

How does that animate though? 👀

[bold mortar]

one sec

should be ok

forgot to parent it award

[jade willow]

So Im gonna die, she looks so cute here

[bold mortar]

alternatively it can be shorter

i'm kinda leaning towards longer though

[jade willow]

yayyy she is so cute!! Thank you again Croissant!

[bold mortar]

not sure about ann's

[jade willow]

I like the longer as well

[bold mortar]

ok longer it is

either way i'm gonna have to edit these scarves to not clip with the coat

joker's isn't bad ig

[bold mortar]

how long do you think it should reach though?

the long one i made is just above the end of the skirt

could be this long

or this long

[jade willow]

Im not sure...

I think I like the last one. @surreal ermine What do you think?

[bold mortar]

more refined

re-weighted it so it plays nicer with the school animations now

[jade willow]

What did you weight the jacket to so her legs don't clip through?

[bold mortar]

i used the weights from the rise midwinter outfit

just transferred them

[jade willow]

Ahh I see

I feel like the fur coat would look cute with mittens

I don't know if anyone has mittens tho

[bold mortar]

yeah idk

i figured since the coat was fancy there'd be fancier gloves

[jade willow]

Does she have gloves?

Mitsuru I mean

[bold mortar]

uhhhh

i mean the coat is from her battle suit

so that's like a nonstarter for an overworld outfit

ok fixed the clipping

[jade willow]

Oh so

Haru's midwinter school uniform has mittens

[bold mortar]

i'm thinking joker's scarf is a no

ann too probably

[jade willow]

Maybe no scarf?

[bold mortar]

yeah probably

ok this is with haru's mittens

the only issue with using mittens is that certain animations might look weird with them

[jade willow]

Maybe? Like her fingers might like through?

[bold mortar]

what

[pseudo dock]

fingerless gloves

[jade willow]

I meant like poke through the glove

The mitten whatever

[bold mortar]

the fingers wouldn't be there

i mean the animation might just look weird

in any event i gtg for a couple hours

i'll be back to work on this when i get back

[jade willow]

Alrighty! Have fun

[bold mortar]

Probably gonna end up asking zylvos to put this in his mod too

[surreal ermine]

i like it with the scarf

but i still prefer the shujin jacket

because it's the uniform lmao

i did make this for red rose

[jade willow]

Oh! You didn't like the gloves and scarf?

Also I feel it's not unusual for them to wear different coats. They wear them outside so

[surreal ermine]

they're fine it's just sumire wears them. I wanted more ways for them to be different

[jade willow]

You liked jokers scared right? What about jokers scarf instead?

[surreal ermine]

perhaps, but I don't know how to do weights and rigging in general

[jade willow]

I can put it on for you when I get home if you like

I don't even know if the scarves use weights?

[surreal ermine]

idk anything about that

I only know the basics of models

[jade willow]

The joker scarf and maybe some other gloves?

[jade willow]

hmm actually it looks a bit awkward

[bold mortar]

it's because joker doesn't have the feminine form

it'd be like trying to make naoto's outfits work for kasumi

a certain female body part would be distinctly missing from the model

[radiant plume]

why not use naoto's school uniform?
the one she wears actually and not the one used for an event

[surreal ermine]

well... naoto is a girl so...

[radiant plume]

if you use the male yasogami fit i imagine it'd probably hide a fair bit of anatomy with the jacket buttoned up like naoto has it

[bold mortar]

yeah but the model is missing something afaik

[surreal ermine]

ohhh hyeah

[bold mortar]

kinda the point of her reveal

[jade willow]

Naoto is a girl?

[clear acorn]

No?

She's a detective

[surreal ermine]

[jade willow]

anyyywayysss

[surreal ermine]

i forget people haven't played persona 4

[jade willow]

tbh I did I think I just forgot

I played it when I was like 10 or smth

bro shiho is so cute

Ive always loved her character design

[bold mortar]

most persona fans often don't play any of the games!

[surreal ermine]

[bold mortar]

ok got my dinner

gonna put on empire strikes back on the other monitor

it's modding time

ok time to solve two questions

scarf or no scarf

and gloves or mittens

actually gloves is probably better

oh good haru has the gloves i want

ah ffs

haru's hands are not lined up the same way

ok screw this i'm not re-posing them

just gonna change the texture

ok made a new texture

[jade willow]

ooh

is that the pt glove?

also how do we feel about recolor

[bold mortar]

nah i just retextured the winter glove

this

to this

ok need to solve this

[safe pebble]

THATS SUPER CUTE

p5x outfits will do it everytime

[jade willow]

It gave me and croissant hell with the textures but its pretty cute for a midwinter casual!

I think Im going to mess with the colors some more tomorrow, (maybe try a more coral pink to match the scarf) and put on some earmuffs

oh and fix the shoe texture, theeen try the rise hair on it

[safe pebble]

i've been eyeing one of the outfits as a possible gym/workout clothes alternative

[bold mortar]

ah crap

[safe pebble]

honestly they're all so cute

[bold mortar]

you reminded me i still need to make the casual model

[bold mortar]

also fixed this part

which leaves me with the scarf question

also maybe i want to change the shoes

@jade willow what do you think?

[jade willow]

For the shoes or ?

[bold mortar]

yeah

[molten finch]

btw how many outfits does Persona 5 the X have there? 🤔

[bold mortar]

https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Persona_5:_The_Phantom_X_Characters

[molten finch]

ookay I'll check that one out there

[bold mortar]

gotta solve the scarf question too

suppose i could export a version with the scarf and see how it looks

made it fit more snugly

[safe pebble]

a lot

but also its a gacha game so its not surprising

they do special runs of some of the characters in different outfits

😩

[molten finch]

Ohh I see, looks like Persona 5 Modding is gonna have a lot of field day picking the clothes that X has for Royal

[safe pebble]

honestly i find the character designs to be so good LMAO

a little out there for some

but definitely distinct

which i like

even the male characters

[molten finch]

Yuup and cuz I remember the Kotone M's hairstyle from X really does fit for Long Hair Kasumi/Rose there

[bold mortar]

i don't like them

the characters in p5x are too overdesigned

and a lot of them seem to just clash with P5's artstyle

[jade willow]

I like the shoes because they make sense. Don't you use that for the regular winter uniform?

[bold mortar]

yeah i'm probably just gonna keep them

for the casual version i'll probably use something else

bigger problem rn is the scarf

[safe pebble]

my god

[bold mortar]

yeah i'm totally vindicated

bro is overdesigned and not drawn with P5's artstyle

[jade willow]

He looks cool tho

[bold mortar]

i think he looks gross

[safe pebble]

understandable, it boils down to personal tastes i believe but also imo it seems somewhat fitting considering how its a JRPG which means somewhat exaggerated designs to fit that anime aesthetic

[molten finch]

ooh he handsome

[safe pebble]

its the same criticism people have over nomura's designs

definitely overdone

[bold mortar]

idk i think it's just a gacha problem

[bold mortar]

wait you're right

[jade willow]

I've been meaning to dl the William yusuke. Imagine him in those outfits haha

[bold mortar]

it is a nomura problem too

[jade willow]

Is it William? I forget the name of the character hair

[safe pebble]

yeah! but you can't argue that its an easily recognizable style LOL you see a character design with leather and zippers and multiple belts and you can easily tell its nomura's

it borders close to camp almost

[bold mortar]

i can also argue that it clashes with my aesthetic views

[jade willow]

Idk its giving k-pop idol

[safe pebble]

yes LOL

[bold mortar]

but again

[jade willow]

Not in a bad way

[bold mortar]

my aesthetic views are very simple

usually i like it when my characters wear a suit

like agent 47

[safe pebble]

i'm pretty sure this guy's an idol/actor

makes sense

[bold mortar]

kinda wish P4 used these uniforms

[jade willow]

Also making a material girl coat for sumi hehe

[safe pebble]

i think they're trying to tap into the otome scene after seeing love and deepspace's success

and making the men attractive

[bold mortar]

idk that's a different question

since kasumi is a girl

[jade willow]

Eeeveeee are you a Lads girlypop??

[safe pebble]

sadly i am

😩

[jade willow]

I think it's very sweet looking

[jade willow]

Wait let me guess your main

Xavier or Zayne

[safe pebble]

you got one right

i whale for two mainly

xavier and caleb

LMAO

[jade willow]

AHHH I LOVE CALEB

[safe pebble]

he's so

[bold mortar]

my idea of cool

[jade willow]

Wait do we whale for the same 2? Xavier and Caleb are my mains

[safe pebble]

i need persona 6 to have a female protagonist

[safe pebble]

YES

[jade willow]

👨‍🍳 balanced as all things should be

[bold mortar]

what they ought to do is have both a male and female protagonist

[safe pebble]

YEP

but atlus is lazy

what's new

[bold mortar]

yeah it's whatever

[jade willow]

Istg I'm not buying p6 unless someone makes a femc mod

[safe pebble]

they'll probably have a female protag in the initial stages and then eventually scrap her

[molten finch]

Just like what they did with Akage for Persona 5!

[safe pebble]

yep

[jade willow]

Kasumi was also intended to be femc

From her concept art at least

[bold mortar]

i think though they'd have to write one in from the start or it wouldn't work very well

[molten finch]

Ya that as you can tell by her FeMC Joker's Mask and her PT Outfit lol

[bold mortar]

also this is the scarf at present

[molten finch]

Still remembering this lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1094412112576651314/1420308578350399518/Tumblr_l_6275349199247155.jpg?ex=69162f31&is=6914ddb1&hm=d5e35d610e8130878409e5a50e276145eb6dd2e2676ae0eb4fc0c4851e6b3b12

[bold mortar]

could replace it with another scarf

at the very least i want to use a different color

[jade willow]

Agreed

The color doesn't match the vibe

[safe pebble]

they'd most likely need to hire a whole writing team consisting of female writers considering how the current writing team do not know how to write women 😭 i know they did the same thing with kotone and had to bring in a female perspective (female director and writers)

[bold mortar]

ig

idk i'm not a woman so this doesn't matter that much to me

[jade willow]

Idk thinking about femc makes me feel sad

[safe pebble]

p3p social links were so good

compared to male mc's route

writing wise

it added so much depth to the other characters

[jade willow]

I'm really glad Zylos and Wisteria worked hard to bring kap and RV, I feel like we got femc we deserved

[safe pebble]

YEP

i'm having a blast

this is my second playthrough with KAP

[molten finch]

Shout out to them 100%~

[bold mortar]

femc is basically just a new perspective to me

idrc otherwise

[safe pebble]

first time i did it there wasn't a story counterpart for it yet

save for that one WIP

that had a female joker as a replacement for kasumi NPC

[jade willow]

Yeah I also saw like one of the first versions for kap

I never thought they would get this far with everything

I wonder if atlus is aware of the femc mods

[safe pebble]

i'm still in the now inactive KAP server LOL

i decided to stay because someone posted a mod WIP that replaces yu narukami with yukiko as the protagonist

i don't think it ever got finished though

[safe pebble]

yes they are

[bold mortar]

they tried to take down videos related to the p3r femc mod

so yes

[safe pebble]

they're trying to to take down a couple of femc video mods

yep

[jade willow]

What?? Wow atlus is so disappointing

That really pmo rn

[molten finch]

I wonder if Atlus is jealous of the P3R Kotone Mod there, as it wouldn't be surprising really

[bold mortar]

atlus pisses me off more for using UE

and also remaking P4

[safe pebble]

i need persona 6 news NOW

[bold mortar]

i won't be able to play it even if they announce it

so i'm ok with waiting longer

[jade willow]

I will not be getting p6 unless they make a femc mod 😭

[granite wren]

"They built Kotone IN A CAVE, WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAPS"

[granite wren]

Someone is making a mod called Persona 4 Silver for P4 FeMC in this server but there hasn't been a progress update for a few months

[bold mortar]

what like rose and gold?

[molten finch]

Atlus 24/7 after they take down P3R Kotone Mod Videos

[granite wren]

Unlike Rose Golden they've actually shown SOME work tbf

[jade willow]

Did they actually succeed in removing them?

[bold mortar]

better ig

idk i don't see myself playing P4 with a femc mod

[granite wren]

Rose Golden kinda pmo as they were supposedly working on it for years yet couldn't show fuck all evidence

[bold mortar]

yu is the perfect protagonist as far as i'm concerned

[granite wren]

I need Rise as Protagonist yesterday, clearly

[jade willow]

Idk playing as a guy...it brings me a perspective of a man, but also I can't relate at all. I feel like Joker is my son and I'm just making the best choices for him 😭

[jade willow]

Rise as protag would be fun. Ex idol roleplaying game??

[bold mortar]

i mean i generally feel the same way but for femc

anyways

guhh

i gotta work on the scarf

hmmm

[jade willow]

Is it always that small?

[bold mortar]

no

i made it smaller

this is the default

[bold mortar]

this is another recolor

[granite wren]

She could be staying with the Dojimas as part of police protection or something

[bold mortar]

idk i think p4 would have the most freedom when writing femc

since Yu is a fairly blank slate as it is

only blanker slate would be makoto

also this wouldn't work at all lol

probably not this one either

perhaps this?

idk red seems like the best color to work with

[jade willow]

are you coloring these in blender?

[bold mortar]

no in paint.net

[jade willow]

Maybe a red like this? I feel the og one is too light

[bold mortar]

maybe

[random hinge]

iirc, the copyright claims on the FeMC videos were made by SEGA UK specifically. It's only about the videos, not the mod itself, so maybe it's because of a music or something

Still, I'd rather R&V stays off Atlus/Sega's radar if possible

They're not Nintendo and I know Sega is fine with modding on other games, but you never know

[bold mortar]

btw zylvos is the next update dropping soon?

[granite wren]

Yeah
Using a gmail account of all things rather than a business email??

Though I wager R&V will be okay, it might be SEGA getting touchy as P3R was rereleased recently or something

Disappointing though considering for Crossworlds they were like "yeah any cosmetic mods are fine go nuts"

[random hinge]

Yes, soon. I'm still adjusting things in R&V and I've been a bit busy IRL recently

I want to update all mods together

[bold mortar]

i was just asking since i'm probably gonna end up dumping my new midwinter models on you

if you don't mind

[random hinge]

It's ok if I update before that. I can always update later with the new models

[jade willow]

Is the new update models?

[random hinge]

I haven't updated yet because I've been slowly moving files from R&V to the models mod (like the umbrella recolors)

[bold mortar]

cool

[random hinge]

Models for the models mods, a little surprise for R&V

[bold mortar]

these will probably be done by tomorrow though

[jade willow]

I feel like it's Christmas 🎁

[bold mortar]

assuming i come up with a new casual outfit soon

[bold mortar]

what do you think of this color

[jade willow]

Oooh, can I see zoomed out

[jade willow]

I like it

[bold mortar]

looking good in gf ig

ok i'm cool with this for now

though idk, the lighter one seems to match better with the shoes and the bow

[bold mortar]

what do you think about this

it's different than the original one but matches the bow and the shoes better

[bold mortar]

anyways

i should make the casual version

hmmm

this is tough

[bold mortar]

ngl i got no idea where i'm going with this yet

[jade willow]

I like this color red better!

[bold mortar]

Great

Then today I make the casual outfit

[bold mortar]

got no clue wha tot make for it though...

only thing i have in mind rn is the coat and the shoes

[jade willow]

Midwinter casual is hard

I totally thought there would be a plot twist in this mod that !Spoilers! for R&V || Kasumi was dead the entire time || 😭

[bold mortar]

the original versions of the mod gave that impression

back in like the first beta build

[bold mortar]

but yeah i'm not sure

rn i'm copying your mitsuru jacket idea

[raw marlin]

Yeah I thought that too ||maybe I still don’t fully get Maruki’s power or miscommunication||

[bold mortar]

this is probably a dumb idea

[raw marlin]

You need to believe Bester

[bold mortar]

i mean the core is there

got the coat, the shoes, and the legs

just need to figure out the rest

[bold mortar]

i think this'll need significant retexturing to work

[jade willow]

Idk bester youre eating with these fits

Okay so I am trying different weight paints. The first half is one and when the animations cycle through thats the second version. Opinions?

(also yea im gonna change the gojo eyes LOL)

[bold mortar]

could also do it without the jacket

[granite wren]

https://tenor.com/view/its-so-fluffy-gif-24661040

Personally I sort of like the second set more with the less floppy hair

[jade willow]

I thought so too! Okay, Im just gonna focus on trying to get her hair to not clip there in the talking animations

[jade willow]

I think the turtleneck looks better

[buoyant arch]

I did a few adjustments, added a few deets here and there and I got this going

i think it looks nice. The hair might help with the blank area she would have in the right

[random hinge]

Ooh, nice! I really like that pose!

A small heads-up : the fast travel menu also shows the blinking portrait, but it's a lot more cut off on the left

You might want to check it as well when you test it in game, just to be sure it doesn't look too out of place with how she's positioned

Then again, there's only so much you can do with the bustup window

[buoyant arch]

i did check it. I don't think it will be too bad, bc I'm sort of sacrificing what the original one already did. I might be able to squeeze a position that won't really affect too much, but like you said, there's only so much I can actually do

i really tweaked the eyes to make them possibly fit more, but yeah

it's really, really hard to get them to properly fit where it should

[bold mortar]

With or without the jacket though

[buoyant arch]

fast travel will look like this

this woul be th normal

[buoyant arch]

ill put my opinion in here and say I prefer with the jacket.

[bold mortar]

Yeah I figure the jacket would be good to have

[buoyant arch]

also, it's winter. We'd need those two layers

[bold mortar]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

[buoyant arch]

🤝

[granite wren]

Clearly we need to port the Ann's many layers outfit to Rose

[surreal ermine]

oh she looks so elegant!

moving the ponytail to the right side was a good idea

[bold mortar]

idk I'm not a fan of any of her outfits tbh

[granite wren]

wdym

this is perfect for winter

[raw marlin]

True

We need this as a costume honestly

[jade willow]

Since youre here Zylos, I wanted to ask! || was R&V in beta intended for Kasumi to have actually died||?

[jade willow]

+1 on with the jacket! Plus its too cute not to use twice

[bold mortar]

should i recolor the jacket

i want it to be something other than the standard color

[jade willow]

Mitsuru has a brown jacket texture too right?

[random hinge]

||Definitely not, but you're not the only person who thought that. It's not unwelcome, since it highens the stakes for the 3rd semester (and the misconception is actually cleared by the groups when they exit Maruki palace without Kasumi and Akechi).
If anything, the only person who would've died is me because of the amount of event editing required...||

[bold mortar]

not talking about the fur coat

talking about the leather jacket

[jade willow]

Oooh. Hmm. Im so bad about colors - maybe red?

[bold mortar]

could do white to match the coat

[jade willow]

Im kinda happy about this version too. I think it would be too sad if she || died|| anyways! We dont want you dying either lol

[granite wren]

That white looks quite nice ngl

[jade willow]

I like the white too!

Also you could go for like a beige color as well.

[bold mortar]

alright then the skirt is next

[bold mortar]

i'll try that

[jade willow]

When I made the midwinter fit I ended up looking online at pinterest for inspiration of color combos

Also, when I put her earmuffs on this happens... 😭

[bold mortar]

like this?

there's also this color too

[jade willow]

Oh I think I really like the bottom one

[bold mortar]

ok rolling with that then

[jade willow]

Happy mix of the two 🤝 Gray could also be an option if you wanted darker

[bold mortar]

nah i'm fine with this

now i need to choose the skirt color

i don't think this shade of red works very well

[jade willow]

truthfully I would make the skirt black

or a light gray neutral tone

Or you could do a pattern like this

[molten finch]

That & Plus we don't need another Protag ||sacrificing themselves or dying|| anyway, looks at a certain Persona game lol

[bold mortar]

hmmm

[jade willow]

uh hmm

maybe a dark brown??

[jade willow]

lol this is how I used to dress back in my conservative girly days

I think the brown is better

[bold mortar]

should the brown be a different shade?

[jade willow]

you could go lighter if you wanted!

[surreal ermine]

glad you got out bestie

lol

[jade willow]

me too 😭

[jade willow]

Also I feel like Ive been staring at this hair too long. Does it look weird?

[surreal ermine]

i think it looks fine

[jade willow]

I like this the best I think!

[jade willow]

really? Im so happy. I might try it in game then

@granite wren what do you think? I remember you said dont make it too floppy

[magic magnet]

I really like this one

[granite wren]

I think you hit the sweet spot

[jade willow]

yayyy

[granite wren]

https://tenor.com/view/sailor-venus-gif-26556918

[granite wren]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-venus-minako-sailor-venus-sailor-moon-gif-16187480

[lusty cape]

That's great because I don't want them become p3 prtag

[bold mortar]

i have this one too, its a little bit more reddish

[cunning kelp]

i’ve just been lurking but this one is my fav

[bold mortar]

this is one is brown but also slightly darker

[bold mortar]

i'm probably gonna roll with this one then

time to finalize the turtleneck color then

@jade willow should i keep the turtleneck pink or change it to something else?

[jade willow]

I would change it!

It doesnt have to be so neutral but a cute pop of color would be nice. Its up to you though

[bold mortar]

wdym

[jade willow]

Maybe to match her ribbon?

yknow like the colors are pretty neutral now

so maybe the neck could have a nice shade

[bold mortar]

ok

[bold mortar]

idk it's a bit bright

[jade willow]

ooooh

I thought you had the green ribbon?

[bold mortar]

yeah i could use that one

[bold mortar]

yeah idk if green fits it very well

[molten finch]

Agreed with this one tbh!

[jade willow]

Idk 😭 Maybe a dark red?

[granite wren]

Could we try a dark orange or something?

[buoyant arch]

Have yet to do a lot, but I got this going for now

[granite wren]

I think we could maybe be onto something with the orange?
It goes nice with her hair

[surreal ermine]

something seems off about her eyes

also I think her shoulders need to be wider

sorry for being nitpicky but I also think her ears are a bit too small

[buoyant arch]

nitpicks are exactly what I want

I'll try to work on them

[jade willow]

I think her right eye is too small?

[jade willow]

I agree, I think the orange is nicer!

[surreal ermine]

I also think her left needs to be moved farther to the left a bit

and up slightly

[bold mortar]

idk orange doesn't seem quite right to me

at least not this shade of it

[jade willow]

I like the orange or this one!

I think it gives fall vibes though

[bold mortar]

idk i guess it fits better with the skirt

[jade willow]

Yeah it looks nice to me!

[bold mortar]

gonna test out pink one more time

[bold mortar]

i think this will only work if the skirt is also pink

[buoyant arch]

ladies and gentlemen, I flipped the canvas

the horrors I witnessed cannot be told with words alone

[bold mortar]

@jade willow should i use the regular bow or the winter one?

[jade willow]

oh I really like this bow!

Is that the winter green bow colored?

also the horrors of bad weight painting

[bold mortar]

yeah

it looks kinda weird in the light though

skirt doesn't play nice either

could try something with the school skirt ig

idk

[bold mortar]

hmmm

this is weird

[sudden mantle]

The orange kind of reminds me of p3p FeMC

[bold mortar]

i think the pleats make this unworkable

[bold mortar]

fixed it

but this now exists

[jade willow]

sometimes I hate skirts

Especially with her tights outifts, like why is her abdomen clipping always?

[bold mortar]

i've spent the last 3 hours now trying to make this work

[buoyant arch]

made some major improvements to hopefully make this look at least a tad bit better

fixed her chin, redid the eyes, made her shoulders bigger, fixed her mouth, remade the shading on her torso, neck and shoulder

[bold mortar]

part of the issue is that the jacket top isn't aligned with the bottom

i wonder if moving the legs affects the animations

@jade willow bad news about the winter bow

has this weird green glow

[bold mortar]

nvm fixed it

[bold mortar]

ok i give up on this skirt

[buoyant arch]

I'll leave it at this and go to bed. I'm now happy with how it's turning out, as it actually looks decent enough in comparison to what I had before

[bold mortar]

nice

the skirt from the mitsuru summer outfit is playing nicer

can't fill out the bottom though...

ffs

[jade willow]

I really love her eyelashes!

[jade willow]

This has been really giving you a hard time..

[surreal ermine]

oh wow this is a lot better

[buoyant arch]

any nitpicks?

as per usual, do point out anything you might see

as little as it is

[jade willow]

Im not an artist but is it normal for us to see her mole at this angle?

[buoyant arch]

juat barely, yeah

[surreal ermine]

I'd maybe extend the shading a bit. she kind of looks naked

[jade willow]

I think the cutout will cover that up no?

[buoyant arch]

i didn't shade that part cause it will be hidden in-game

[surreal ermine]

oooh

yeah I see

[buoyant arch]

i didn't bother

i might if i want to make it official or something

[jade willow]

It looks good! I dont know my brain feels like something is off but that could literally just be me

[buoyant arch]

whatever it is, do point it out once you visualize it

[surreal ermine]

hmm yeah I can't say much, I think you fixed everything that felt off

[buoyant arch]

I'm not getting any better by receiving nothing but praise

[buoyant arch]

your previous comments helped a lot, btw

would definitely credit you for it

[surreal ermine]

np

[jade willow]

Im sure its just me if Raven thinks it looks normal!

[surreal ermine]

actually after staring at it for a bit I think this part of her head is oddly square? like it juts out strangely

[buoyant arch]

don't put it like that. We all have different eyes after all

[buoyant arch]

i decided to make it closer to what tied hair would actually look like from this angle

[surreal ermine]

ahhh yeah I see

[buoyant arch]

but ig i am trying to look for the persona style more

i might fix it waking up tomorrow

[bold mortar]

i finally did it

but yeah this sucks

i used the mitsuru skirt from the summer outfit i made

and it functions the same

[jade willow]

innovative!!

[jade willow]

I think after looking closely its something about her eyes still that seems off

[buoyant arch]

i might try playing around with it then. I'll be honest in sayinf that even flipping the canvas it looked normal, but I'll look into it nonetheless

[bold mortar]

gotta adjust the color

and add the gloves

but i'm almost done

[jade willow]

No no no, if it looked normal when you flipped it then it really is just me.

[jade willow]

She looks modestly chic

[bold mortar]

i wonder if the skirt should match the turtleneck

idk

maybe the reddish brown is still better

[jade willow]

Personally I dont think they should be an exact match

[bold mortar]

yeah probably not

hmmm

the color still isn't quite right

[buoyant arch]

how so?

it gives a good focus point on her torso. I think it works really nice

[surreal ermine]

I like it a lot

she looks all dressed up for some kind of interview. she's super cute

I feel like I'd see her at an office job

[buoyant arch]

i would maybe suggest a different belt color, as the outfit is very constant in the same color. The jacket and the skirt have no in betweens for values, so it levels everything perfectly two levels

depending on what you are looking for, that might be on point

but just so there's something else to look at in between both, adding an extra color to clash might also work well

[surreal ermine]

I can never take you seriously with your egg dante pfp

[buoyant arch]

i might change it to the new portrait i juat made

migh help

but damn, dantegg is too cool

[surreal ermine]

lmao

dantegg

I realized making my pfp what I like at the moment makes people associate me with it, and I thought Emilia from re:zero was too feminine so I looked up "raven drawing" and found chibi raven and was like. perfect

[bold mortar]

would be more difficult, since it's not really a separate thing

ok thoughts on this color?

[buoyant arch]

i thought it was. My bad

[bold mortar]

slightly different but still similar

[bold mortar]

i'll give it a try

[buoyant arch]

im a sucker for brown. This looks really nice

[surreal ermine]

the aburn brown matches her hair nicely

[bold mortar]

so this one?