(P5R PC) Rose & Violet - Story overhaul

[buoyant arch]

there might be at least a few saved msgs at the other sv of you saying that

[surreal ermine]

IBM, a machine company, really said "lemme in on that psychologist 80k a year"

[pseudo dock]

akechi though... Now that is a different story

[jade willow]

WHOA

[buoyant arch]

perchance

[jade willow]

check the tag you are in enemy territory here

[surreal ermine]

it's alright. as long as your akechi hate is justified

i accept akechi haters if they have a good argument. just like english class

you get an A if you can defend your position

[buoyant arch]

solve for x

[jade willow]

immediate F-

[buoyant arch]

i'm too math-headed for this, sorry

[surreal ermine]

LMAO

surely you remember writing a persuasive essay in english...

and the teacher goes "there's no right or wrong! as long as you defend yourself well!" or someting

[buoyant arch]

specifically in english. I went to a bilingual school and I eventually got better at it than portuguese which should be my primary language

not quite better, but good enough

[surreal ermine]

omg

i love learning everyone's native languages

[buoyant arch]

i guess I wouldn't be here without it

[surreal ermine]

i feel so boring being born in america and only knowing english

[buoyant arch]

i do know some french too

[pseudo dock]

he was fine in p5 vanilla but royal really forced him and joker to be way more together because of his popularity. Like the content is fine but you can very clearly see they really wanted to lean into that whole shuake thing which is a bit meh.

[buoyant arch]

and a tad of german

[surreal ermine]

i have a lot of european friends who say they know english better than their native language because of the internet

europeans are so cool. why doesn't america teach us any lanuages until high school

[buoyant arch]

well I got a lot of equations in my mind, which is worrying

damn today's exam fked me up

i should go to sleep

[surreal ermine]

that happens to me sometimes

[pseudo dock]

you should

[buoyant arch]

you should be asleep too

I'm an hour ahead but still

[pseudo dock]

I woke up like 20 minutes ago from an accidental nap 2 hours ago

[surreal ermine]

hmm an interesting take. i rarely see people say they prefer vanilla akechi

[bold mortar]

you should all sleep

[surreal ermine]

real

[buoyant arch]

perchance

[bold mortar]

i like akechi in royal

[buoyant arch]

nah, i should

if I'm to draw at all tomorrow, I should prob rest

[surreal ermine]

i hated akechi until i played royal

[bold mortar]

i'm scouting for new winter outfits right now

[buoyant arch]

if I come up with any progress, I'll post them here

[surreal ermine]

i thought akechi was a shit villain with no depth until royal, which gave him depth imo

[jade willow]

I hated akechi until I found out he ||died||

[surreal ermine]

LOL

[buoyant arch]

anyways, good night yall

fun talking

[jade willow]

then I was like "oh no my baby

[surreal ermine]

good night

[pseudo dock]

he has the vibe of the 'new girl' in rereleases like marie in p4g.

[jade willow]

goodnight!

[surreal ermine]

that's like what happend with that crystaaal youtuber

[jade willow]

i think i know who youre talking about

[surreal ermine]

i actually think they managed to fit akechi's new characterization pretty well into royal. better than sumire

[jade willow]

shes like obsessed with akechi like me

[surreal ermine]

she HAAAATED akechi

then he died and she was sobbing and became obsessed with him

[jade willow]

I like Akechi, and hot take...I hated Sumire before R&V

[surreal ermine]

aight i understand that

[bold mortar]

hmm nothing to salvage from P3D

[jade willow]

thats so me

[surreal ermine]

i only liked sumire because i was in love with her... lol

[pseudo dock]

It's better, but I can very clearly tell where the new content starts because the whole vibe is different from p5 vanilla.

[jade willow]

I felt like Sumire is a awful sister to be honest and I dont know why everyone is ignoring the elephant in the room

[surreal ermine]

atlus can i please stop beta testing your games?

[pseudo dock]

especially joker they break his character a ton trying to get him to like akechi way more.

[surreal ermine]

and paying full price for the beta?

[jade willow]

to be honest with the personification of Kasumi its even more glaring

[surreal ermine]

i mean i even interpreted that joker liked akechi in vanilla. i suppose i watched the anime first (where i am CONVINCED the director of that show shipped shuake) but even in vanilla, there's some stuff that hints toward joker at least not hating akechi

[pseudo dock]

sumire is fine but it's just that the 3rd semester is only 1 month so no time to actually develop characters

[surreal ermine]

3rd semester needs to be looongerr. i wanna write a fic with that premise

[jade willow]

I feel like Akechi and Joker share an understanding that grows into a bond no one else understands. They are very much different sides of the same coin

[surreal ermine]

i want royal trio investigation to be logner too. maruki's palace should be really tall and long

[pseudo dock]

Thats kinda my point. You can see some of that in vanilla but it's subdued like how it should be. But royal is very overt with how they show off that they like eachother to the point of character assasination.

[bold mortar]

also needs to ditch the retcon at the end tbh

[bold mortar]

p4 has some stuff ig

[surreal ermine]

...retcon?

what... retcon

[bold mortar]

the jail thing

[surreal ermine]

that's not a retcon, lmao

[bold mortar]

needs to remove the going to jail part

who cares

it's stupid

[surreal ermine]

everything went back to what it should've been

[bold mortar]

should've been something else

[surreal ermine]

aka joker turns himself in

[bold mortar]

yeah that part was stupid

[surreal ermine]

that's what happens in vanilla!

[bold mortar]

vanilla sucks!!!

[surreal ermine]

but itis not a retcon. that is simply incorrect

[bold mortar]

ok anyways

idc

[jade willow]

I will admit

Joker || missing Akechi to the point of resurrection was an interesting take when you think about it||

[surreal ermine]

anyway i'd probably just write longer royal trio investigation and probably more akechi because i'm not biased in the slightest

[pseudo dock]

by all intents and purposes it's just not good writing and is a retcon of the originals ambiguous ending.

[surreal ermine]

if you wish your rival back to life because you can't imagine a world without him, you are not rivals, you are GAY

[jade willow]

thats what im saying liiiike

idk if someone ||shot me in the head|| I would be over that

Joker is down bad

[pseudo dock]

Sure, but when it comes at the detriment of the rest of the friend group (which he should be way more friendly with than akechi). I just don't really like it.

[bold mortar]

hmm, should i use shiho or haru turtleneck

[surreal ermine]

i agree with that. akechi should've had like an "apology run" like joker forces him to apologize to every phantom thief individually and build a raport with them. i saw a mini comic on twitter with that premise

[jade willow]

It is a little awkward. I wish that ||Haru and Futaba had more of a reaction to him||

[surreal ermine]

i also like the detail that if you pay attention morgana actually doesn't dislike akechi either

[pseudo dock]

exactly

[jade willow]

Joker bringing around his toxic boyfriend everyone hates

[pseudo dock]

they both should want that guy dead in a ditch

[bold mortar]

friend group

what group?

[surreal ermine]

i feel like i can see both haru and futaba forgiving akechi at least a little bit, as long as he made the effort too. they themselve say they don't hate akechi for what he did, because he was a kid fucked over by adults just like them

[pseudo dock]

the only reason they say that is because the writers were too risk averse

[jade willow]

I dont know maybe they are better people than I am, but I dont think I could stomach that

[surreal ermine]

besides, shido was the one who really killed them... akechi was just a tool. he might as well have just been the gun

[jade willow]

I think it is a little more in their face that he doesnt even acknowledge or apologize

[surreal ermine]

i agree

which is why i said akechi should apologize lol

in akechi's stupid way i imagine him agreeing to join the phantom thieves temporarily is some weird roundabout apology... but that's just me

[jade willow]

At the same time I think it works for his character. I think he knows hes a pos and hates himself so he feels they should as well

[pseudo dock]

no akechi shouldn't apologize

but futaba and haru should actually have more of a ptoblem with him.

[surreal ermine]

they do actually say they were uncomfortable in the safe room, iirc

[pseudo dock]

they need more

[jade willow]

They also refuse to play tycoon with him

But I do agree that he should have shown more remorse or at least discomfort and they should have been more upset.

everyone seems way too chill

[surreal ermine]

aha found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GI-2_Z9iVA

[pseudo dock]

it's just trying to force the characters to play nice because they didn't want the characters to have conflict.

character assasination really

[clear acorn]

I don't agree

[surreal ermine]

their attempt at conflict in the okumura arc was half-assed too

[bold mortar]

this or this

[pseudo dock]

explain

[bold mortar]

[jade willow]

right right right right

thats so cute

[surreal ermine]

the left is from the short hair kasumi mod right?

[clear acorn]

Nah I got work tomorrow so I'ma go to bed, also I don't feel like it

[bold mortar]

left is from shiho's model

[surreal ermine]

oh i see

[pseudo dock]

I was also going to go to bed

[bold mortar]

right is classic school uniforms

[surreal ermine]

i was gonna say i also don't agree that futaba and haru would be super adverse to akechi's presence... but i have confrontation anxiety

[jade willow]

this is a good point, maybe they are kinda scared of him :/

thats so sad actually

[surreal ermine]

i think they disliked akechi's presence, but i think they were mature enough to realize it was for the greater good

[pseudo dock]

really boring tbh, having them be in conflict would be much better

[surreal ermine]

i do agree there should've been more attention brought to it

[bold mortar]

k

[surreal ermine]

it was only mentioned briefly, which i think was a bit distasteful

and jarring

but i think it was also party because atlus had deadlines and could only fit in so much. probably why the third semester was so short

[jade willow]

very jarring and a little awkward for story telling

Also, have you guys heard of that theory where Akechi and Futaba are half-siblings

[surreal ermine]

i love that theory

and i think it was slightly hinted at

[jade willow]

its my head canon fr

[jade willow]

how so? I only know that Futaba's ||mom was involved with Shido so they figured he might have been the dad||

[surreal ermine]

futaba and akechi relationship is one of my favorites... i tend to only write them in au's where akech isn't a murderer, though LMAOO

[jade willow]

As siblings or just in general?

[surreal ermine]

in general

it's giving lesbian and gay soldiarity

[jade willow]

Lmao

Idk I just feel like if Atlus were not cowards they would have made them siblings and then Akechi can face the reality that he put his younger sister through basically the same shit he went through

And realizing that revenge is a cycle blah blah

[surreal ermine]

this one is grasping at straws, but i'm pretty sure both akechi and sojiro call his and futaba's dad respectively "a good for nothing man"
both akechi and futab have the rare AB blood type (this can also be explained pretty easily though. all that needs to happen is for one parent to have A blood and the other to have B) but blood types in japan are often used for symbolism
wakaba worked with shdio and didn't adress futaba's father. that's exceedingly rare in japan, and i can only see that happening if the father is someone powerful like shido and wants the child to disappear. in japan the family registry is very in depth and i can't get into it fully here, but it's to the point adoption is looked down upon. it's also why in what is it... 50 years "Sato" will theoretically be the only last name in japan

[jade willow]

Ive heard of the whole unwanted child analysis for Akechi. Its really shocking how harsh they are towards children out of wedlock

Still, I do agree - the blood type to me signaled as well that there is likely some relation.

[bold mortar]

ok finished

[jade willow]

Wow...youre such a pro. That would have taken me all day.

[surreal ermine]

shido's blood type isn't listed, but i find it likely that he had either A or B and the two moms just had the corresponding letter

[bold mortar]

dunno what i'd even use it for though

[surreal ermine]

i'd headcanon that shido has B, since A is more common and more likely for the two to have it

[bold mortar]

i can't make configs so it's just kinda there

[surreal ermine]

i lost two people trying to explain making configs. i wish ReMIX worked with the costume cramework CRI Fs extension

tbf knowing how to make a config manually makes using ReMIX 10x easier

[jade willow]

I hate publishing mods its so hard

[surreal ermine]

...really?

[jade willow]

Yeah

[surreal ermine]

well i suppose i'm just used to it by now

[jade willow]

I stress about the credits and then listing it right and then uploading it right and ugh

Just take it and drop it in the folder idk

[surreal ermine]

gamebanana just needs to update its ui

[jade willow]

I am really appreciative for it though, they have so many nice mods

[bold mortar]

suppose i could just make an alternate version of my mod

with it

[jade willow]

Actually can I say something?

[bold mortar]

yeah

[jade willow]

I noticed that the collar has the bow and the arrows. I dont think Ive seen a student with both so it may look odd among other students

[surreal ermine]

the bow and arrows i'm pretty sure are the standard

just... rebels

[jade willow]

Yes but separate

I mean I guess it could be a slight unique variant

[surreal ermine]

damn brats... wear the uniform correctly!!

[jade willow]

Bester slapping on classics

[surreal ermine]

i'm pretty sure joker is the only one who wears his uniform the right way

and sumire with her winter uniform

actually.. .does joker button up his jaecket and summer shirt?

[bold mortar]

summer shirt is slightly buttoned down

[surreal ermine]

damn rebel

[bold mortar]

jacket is buttoned up though

[surreal ermine]

looks like his winter uniform is correct. he even has the stirrups on

[jade willow]

I think Futaba also wears hers correctly

[surreal ermine]

oh yeah joker does have his polo unbuttoned a bit

[jade willow]

after playing R&V/KAP sometimes I see Joker and totally dissociate

like "who is this creep with the foggy glasses"

[surreal ermine]

that is something i meant to add. you technically forgot the loose stirrups on her skirt

joker doesn't have his stirrups on his summer uniform

winter

[bold mortar]

do the stirrups even exist on one of the winter models lol?

[surreal ermine]

ryuji

he has loose stirrups on his pants

[bold mortar]

i mean the female one

[surreal ermine]

maybe the NPC's

[bold mortar]

i feel like only the npcs have though

[jade willow]

I was right, so the guys usually have the arrows and the girls have the bow

[surreal ermine]

ah i see

[jade willow]

I wonder why Shiho has arrows. Is she wearing a male uniform top?

[surreal ermine]

she might be wearing the male uniform

that's not uncommon

[bold mortar]

ok then the arrows go ig

[jade willow]

well I just wanted to point it out since you like to keep them classic

[surreal ermine]

you might be able to find the stirrups on the npcs, if you really want to. but i notice most character just don't have them at all

so i imagine it's something the school doesn't care about. clearly they don't care at all because... ryuji ann and haru exist

i love how kawakami tells ryuji to dye his hair back to black but doesn't acknowledge the t-shirt

it's like they retconned it

[surreal ermine]

omg she's so cute

[bold mortar]

guhh

dancing model

[jade willow]

haha yeaah

She has them on p5 too

I dont think they are weighted tho

[bold mortar]

ok arrows gone

[surreal ermine]

kasumi with no jacket

kasum iwit no brim

[jade willow]

I really want futaba to get her ponytail from p5d as well

[surreal ermine]

jacket over a turtleneck... lol. shujin are monsters

that's a mod i'm pretty sure right

[spare oak]

jaundice ridden games

[jade willow]

I dont think so

Just Haru and Ann

[surreal ermine]

oh it was a request

https://gamebanana.com/mods/409151 for now i use this

[bold mortar]

not seeing one with the suspenders

[surreal ermine]

bright orange hair

it might just be the regular uniform idk

[jade willow]

Oh I like that

[jade willow]

for futaba?

[surreal ermine]

jesus futaba's swinmsuit is revealing

[bold mortar]

yeah

most swimsuits are revealing

[surreal ermine]

she doesn't have a shujin outfit

in p5

[bold mortar]

an unfortunate piece of modernity

[bold mortar]

nuts

[jade willow]

She does

1 sec ill show you

[surreal ermine]

this might be a custom bonus tweaks thing

or costume framework

[jade willow]

oh maybe so?

[surreal ermine]

they add a few costumes

cbt has an "extra outfits" option

[surreal ermine]

costume framework just makes outfits out of already existing assets

yeah that's not in vanilla. cbt probably added it

[bold mortar]

summer outfit has the suspenders

doubt it would fit though

[jade willow]

Shes so cute

[surreal ermine]

futaba's too short and skinny

and adorable

[jade willow]

her christmas outfit is the cutest too

[surreal ermine]

short + flat girls supremecy

i love her christmas outfit

[surreal ermine]

it'd be kind of cold to wear on christmas though...

slap some leggings and an undershirt, i guess

atlus is too horny. bonk

[jade willow]

then theres kasumi... 🫠

[bold mortar]

could try eiko's outfit maybe

[surreal ermine]

sumi please get some sleeves

[bold mortar]

modern world is like that unfortunately

[jade willow]

she looks like the toothfairy for colgate ad

[surreal ermine]

man idcabout that. they're gonna be cold! it's christmas!

[bold mortar]

i think it' supposed to be christmas fairy thing

[surreal ermine]

she looks like mrs. claus

[bold mortar]

sugar plum or whatever

[jade willow]

I like how we all dislike it for 3 entirely separate things

[surreal ermine]

i love ryuji's christmas outfit

joker is just. santa

so is akechi

boring

[bold mortar]

ok eiko's a bit big for kasumi

[surreal ermine]

looks like he's about to rob santa

[bold mortar]

could try to fit it ig

[surreal ermine]

i like makoto's and haru's too

ann's is just another horny one

that's not even christmas. it's jsut red

[bold mortar]

the buckles are crusty lol

[surreal ermine]

npc outfits are lower quality

[bold mortar]

ah shit

i think i need to proportional edit

NO

NO

[jade willow]

now that Im older I dislike how much they sexualize Ann

[surreal ermine]

they spend a whole arc about it. i mean yeah she eventually embraces her sexuality... but the game kind of pushes it on her

[jade willow]

Idk I just dont like that shes a minor

10 years ago when I was 15 I didnt really care but the replay was a little awkward

[surreal ermine]

some of the outfits were clearly meant for some weirdo to... i'll stop there

but yeah

i like the message of embracing what was used against you, but it's weird when you can sense the other connotations

also if you're gonna slut out the girls slut out the boys

joker punishment cop outfit!!

[jade willow]

LMAO equality

[bold mortar]

slut out no one tbh

[surreal ermine]

that's ideal

[jade willow]

Did you know that in ||Akechi's mementos quest he was supposed to wear drag||? Or maybe thats a rumor

[surreal ermine]

i have never heard that one

[bold mortar]

FUCK

[surreal ermine]

but i wouldn't be surprised. akechi in concept was meant to be more androgynous but as time went on he became more masculine

mementos mission kind of brings it out though

[surreal ermine]

i love them

[bold mortar]

got no idea what to do with this

can't select this properly

[surreal ermine]

SAITO-SAN I LOVE YOU

joker is androgynous in saito's artstyle too

[jade willow]

omg no sad akechi with umbrella?

[surreal ermine]

and made the sleeveless top canon

[jade willow]

I always loved Joker with red eyes

[surreal ermine]

i like this cover the most

[surreal ermine]

i have him on my shelf

roruki saito is a shuake shipper. if you read mementos mission you know

[jade willow]

so heres the thing about that

Who is Roruki ?

[surreal ermine]

author of mementos mission

the guy who drew these images

[jade willow]

oooh

Wait so that wasnt canon?

[surreal ermine]

he's licensed by atlus to make manga and stuff

no mementos mission isn't canon

[jade willow]

Ohh okay okay I see

[surreal ermine]

one of these is not like the other

[errant zenith]

[surreal ermine]

get makoto outtta theere

[jade willow]

you hate makoto??

[surreal ermine]

no i'm just a royal trio truther

[jade willow]

yeahh it kinda sucks they were a trio for like 2 minutes

[surreal ermine]

i've never been more passionate about a throuple more than royal trio

[jade willow]

oh you ship them all together?

[surreal ermine]

correct

i'm a multishipper tho so most of the time i don't care, but shuakesumi is my otp

[jade willow]

this is gonna come off hypocritical and idk maybe my hatred is just still there

But I cannot imagine Sumire and Akechi together💀

[granite wren]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-5-persona-useless-sae-niijima-persona-useless-gif-5298272634992204121

[jade willow]

BUT I really ship Kasumi x Akechi

[surreal ermine]

that's what a lot of people say, but i see it more as "they eventually learn to like each other" and they're mostly just there for joker

[jade willow]

Yeah I cant see it at all

[surreal ermine]

i think sumire is willing, but akechi is a bit too obsessed with joker. once he dissolves that wall i think he's good

[jade willow]

Like imagine Joker is not there. What do they even talk about? 😭

[surreal ermine]

joker

LMAO

[jade willow]

ok you get a point lmao

I forget the name but I feel like its more theyre dating Joker but not each other

[granite wren]

Lowkey it's kinda funny though

Atlus is like 3 for 3 on trying to make protagonists cool and aloof and girl magnets or whatever and then making them yaoi coded

Makoto Yuki and Ryoji
Yu and Yosuke
Joker and Akechi

[surreal ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

though aigis and makoto... i do enjoy

[granite wren]

Finally... Reverse Bechdel test

[bold mortar]

i hate doing this

[granite wren]

Also like seeing those weird Dancing Christmas outfits earlier

Remember when the boys' MV together is this heist movie inspired thing

And the girls get uh... to be in cages and bikinis and stuff for theirs

Please Atlus stop trying this nonsense and just write the yaoi you clearly yearn for with P6

[jade willow]

and give us femc

😠

[granite wren]

But then how can they budget for the CLEARLY essential hot springs scenes...

[surreal ermine]

for a game about freedom i should have the freedom to date men

[granite wren]

Joker clearly wanted to tbf

Rotten adults strike again

[bold mortar]

ok i'm getting closer

[surreal ermine]

the bangs look so cute with the turtleneck

[jade willow]

turtleneck>>

[bold mortar]

ok i think besides fixing the texture

it's good

fuck

[surreal ermine]

weight time

[bold mortar]

ok fixed it

weight transfers carry my mods hard

man this texture is crusty

i wonder if i can steal mishima's textures

oh wow the ryuji one is just it upside down

[jade willow]

does it look bad

[bold mortar]

looking good so far

[jade willow]

[bold mortar]

better

still kinda crusty

[jade willow]

its a huge improvement

[bold mortar]

kind crusty on ryuji too

ig there'll never be enough of a zoom to see it anyways

[jade willow]

no

besides no one plays zoomed in hopefully

[bold mortar]

ok fixed it

btw i left the animation running on ryuji

ok i think this is good

[jade willow]

lol

I had something like that

[bold mortar]

gonna ping zylvos now

@random hinge hate to dump another model on you, but if you want to include this one in your mod lemme know

man i hate that the classic uniform was made this way

[surreal ermine]

oh god

dod you guys see my short Joker bug i posted

it happened in game

[bold mortar]

guess i could proportional edit

though idk how noticeable this even is in gmae

well upshot is that it isn't

downside is this

[jade willow]

No??

Is that what this was?

[surreal ermine]

huh?

no it's just a model warping to bones it doesn't belong to

[jade willow]

then what were you meaning?

[surreal ermine]

I had a bug where I would spawn in the debug field with KAP on and I'd get a horrid mish-mash of Kasumi and joker

[jade willow]

did you take pictures??? 👀

that sounds freaky

[surreal ermine]

apparently was common before the costume framework CRI Fs plugin

idk why I got it

I recorded it and forgot I had my mic on so you can hear me laughing hysterically

lemme find it

[jade willow]

haha

man I think Im messing up my baking

[jade willow]

omg

Is Sumire really THAT short compared to him he looked like a gnome 😭

[surreal ermine]

idk what happened... but I doubt she's THAT short

[jade willow]

joker trying to weasel his way back into the plot

[bold mortar]

ok fixed it

wait wtf

OH FUCK

ok fixed it

i think it's been sufficiently polished

[random hinge]

Yes, you can send it to me if you think it's done. I'll take a look too because I was considering adding the suspenders to the summer uniform, but I didn't want to spend too much time fixing the clipping

[bold mortar]

sounds good, i noticed some issues with the skirt so i'm gonna fix that first

the suspenders i've spent the better part of the last hour working on the clipping

shit

ok back to square one

[random hinge]

I suppose that's not the same skirt as the summer uniform? If not, you could reuse that one and adapt the suspenders to it

[bold mortar]

yeah it was the one that came with the turtleneck model

i'm trying the summer one now

ok yeah fixed here

though something about it seems a little off

seems a bit too fat

fixed the proportions but this problem came back

well it mostly doesn't clip now

except for when she's leaning

[random hinge]

You mean the skirt is too short?

[bold mortar]

no

like

this position has clipping still

though in this picture its fine

so idk what version i was on then

honestly trying to make it longer probably caused this partially

[random hinge]

Humm, can you share that model so I can have a look?

The default summer skirt doesn't clip

[bold mortar]

ik it's probably because i have to scale it to work better with the top mesh

i think the top needs to be made a bit thinner too though

[random hinge]

Well, it actually clips a little bit

[bold mortar]

what animation is that

that would make testing a lot easier

[random hinge]

BE0001_001.GAP

Animation 51

[bold mortar]

oh wait that's scaled to joker's proportions

uh oh

oh i need to get this from wisteria's mod

not the cpk

[bold mortar]

i think i need to redo the skirt anyways

probably the legs too

actually it might be easier just to do proportional editing on the top and bring it down to the skirt instead

not editing the skirt works fine

so

idk

gotta solve the gap in that case

[bold mortar]

ok got a new version

@random hinge this new one i've just made should be much more polished

could solve a little bit of the leg clipping by shrinking the top of the legs probabaly

shrunk them a bit, should fix clipping

not all of it but some of it

yeah that's looking better

anyways i wanna sleep now

i'll be back on in when i wake up in a few hours

[random hinge]

The belt and the skirt don't follow each other during some animations like running

I've fixed it by reusing the legs/belt/skirt from my summer shirt version. That way, the legs don't need to be squished

I think she needs a little nerf here. Let me see if I can do it

[random hinge]

It's better and i've also adjusted her collar bone to similar to her other models

I've also replaced the hands with better ones. On your model (and on the winter casual), the skin on the wrist is a different color from the rest of the hand, it's weird

Those hands are also a bit nicer looking

I'll clean up the model and send it back to you

Also, the beat up model will also need to be edited

It should just be a texture swap for the skin

[random hinge]

Oh and there's the awakening model too

[random hinge]

Alright, everything seems fine for me

Interrogation seems good too

All good, I'm sending you back the models

Just over 10 MB, fml

[surreal ermine]

it kind of made her look bigger

[random hinge]

It's not exactly the same angle

[surreal ermine]

ahhh I see

[random hinge]

@bold mortar Here are the models with the approriate names, so you don't have to look for them. The interrogation model has a few duplicates
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ELfaRuGzEC855WiDtC550YmVyt4AL2CV/view?usp=sharing

Before/after with a better angle:

[surreal ermine]

ahhh yeah I see it now

[jade willow]

Oh I didnt realize the interrogation model was just a texture edit

[jade willow]

okay sooo I think I might have a work around if mytagamos will let me use their longhair model's bones and weight paints for this hair! It transferred better than I had hoped

[bold mortar]

Ok thanks

I keep making Zylvos check my work 😭

[granite wren]

https://tenor.com/view/iravlana-heart-femininomenon-gif-5647667554132617352

[jade willow]

just gonna test it out to see how it works generally in game

[bold mortar]

ok my new mod is released

https://gamebanana.com/mods/632957

[surreal ermine]

this looks really good

[random hinge]

Don't worry, I don't mind spending a little bit of time checking models I'll be adding to my mod. I'd rather tweak them now so I don't have to do it later.
Also, having someone else check your work is good. I gave some details so you can learn from what I did. I'm no expert, but that's worth sharing for future models

[bold mortar]

nice

[bold mortar]

well thanks anyways, some of the stuff you catch i would never

[bold mortar]

dang these pictures are kinda fire

[random hinge]

I like that hair on her. She looks cute with it

[bold mortar]

i gotta grab the hi-res screenshots

i usually use the steam default

but i still tell steam to send them somewhere else for the high res version

weird i managed to spend most of last night on the turtleneck, even though i was hoping to make a new midwinter outfit lol

[jade willow]

So it looks like the front part over her shoulders needs to be adjusted

I wonder if I can get away with weight painting that. This is all assuming mytagamos is okay with it firstly

[bold mortar]

ping him no?

[jade willow]

we pinged them last night but didnt respond - do you think itd be okay to dm?

[bold mortar]

yeah probably

[safe pebble]

RAAAAAAAAAAAH THIS IS AMAZING

[jade willow]

I sent them a message to see if using their skeleton and weights is okay. Atp we pray

[bold mortar]

he was ok with me finishing the alternate bangs models so probably

[jade willow]

Oh really? Im so hopeful then

I was wondering if they were even active on discord tbh

[bold mortar]

hmm idk what to even do for this

what would i do for a midwinter outfit...

[jade willow]

to the dancing games you go?

[bold mortar]

i looked but like

rise's was the best to pull

which leaves

idk

Chie ig

theres nothing from 3

unless i want to use mitsuru's coat

[jade willow]

I tried using Mitsuru's coat but I hated it

too bulky

[bold mortar]

the rigging issues aside

it would be too extravagant for kasumi probably

[jade willow]

whenever someone says "rigging" I feel I understand what it means less and less

[coral prawn]

lmao is this just yuki's hair

[bold mortar]

yeah

[bold mortar]

imagine trying to make this work ok on kasumi's model

[coral prawn]

i see the vision

keep cooking

[bold mortar]

the makoto yuki hair or the mitsuru coat??\

[coral prawn]

the coat

[bold mortar]

guhhhh

[coral prawn]

although both are good

[bold mortar]

now i gotta see how well it'd work

[jade willow]

THEY SAID YESS

[jade willow]

No not this one

its like the one that kinda looked like a leather jacket if you recall

I might still try to make that work

[bold mortar]

oh her regular winter casual

[jade willow]

Pop a scarf over that & its midwinter

[bold mortar]

i mean that's easy to rig though, you can just transfer weights

[jade willow]

Less and less..

[bold mortar]

oh yeah the orange puffer coat is the chie outfit

[jade willow]

No that puffer is from Ohya

Chie has a blue one thats open however

[bold mortar]

oh

idk i'm kinda content with the rise one

so idk what i'd make

[granite wren]

https://tenor.com/view/ichiban-kasuga-yakuza-8-like-a-dragon-infinite-wealth-sujimon-shake-gif-1053958582110279290

[jade willow]

I feel like I just proposed haha

[bold mortar]

people with crippling anxiety ask strangers for permission challenge

[jade willow]

In my head I imagine people going: "No. Why would you even think to ask that? Do you even know what youre doing? Stop wasting peoples time!"

You know that meme where its like "the worst they can say is no" and its SO much worse?

[languid depot]

Relatable, very relatable

[bold mortar]

i just use this mantra

people on the internet aren't real, so I don't care about asking them annoying questions

also i just made the best mod ever

[jade willow]

Am I not real to you?

[jade willow]

It took me a second to see Stewie

[bold mortar]

it's hard being epic in a world of fail

[bold mortar]

nobody is real to me

man that philosophical position is stupid though

[bold mortar]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/633054

also now you can use it too

[errant zenith]

Eh?

[bold mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-akku-fav-gif-stewie-gif-11265106149972971242

[jade willow]

Left side looking a bit better

When I get home I think I might put some paint on the bottom of the front ends to get some motion

[errant zenith]

Beautiful hair

[molten finch]

Similar or not Similar... 🤔

[long dirge]

Sorry but like, imagining this being the reward for Madarames palace just brings me so much joy

Ann pretending to model for Yusuke to get into Madarame's secret room, only to find a bunch of pictures of Stewie

[bold mortar]

i didn't replace those

i don't think i did at least

i have no idea where they are in the files unfortunately

[buoyant arch]

would be hilarious if it uses the same texture

[long dirge]

I know, I just found the thought funny

[bold mortar]

yeah lol

[bold mortar]

next update...

[long dirge]

oop :0

[long dirge]

that would just make it more funny tbh haha

[jade willow]

Hey bester ? https://amicitia.miraheze.org/wiki/Persona_5_Royal/dataR.cpk/model/character

Does this area tell you the gap animations too?

[bold mortar]

it can

kasumi as protagonist has the .gap files there too

[jade willow]

Thank you! It's some purse animation

[surreal ermine]

i need that actually...

i need some way to make kasumi lift her arm up like she does when she's holding her purse

when using the casual bag

[jade willow]

Wait haha I think we need it for the same thing

[surreal ermine]

oh seriously? lol

i was commissioned to make a mod that replaces the casual bag with kasumi's purse

i just stopped after i realized i was gonna have to find a way to make the animation play only while she's carrying the bag... lol

[jade willow]

Oooh!

[surreal ermine]

since joker doesn't have any special animations when carrying his bag

[jade willow]

Wait so I was looking for someone as well. Does Sumire actually hold the bag and walk around with it?

I thought she only stands there

[surreal ermine]

she has an animation with her arm up

when she uses the purse

[jade willow]

But does she walk?

With it?

[surreal ermine]

i'm not sure but it can't be too hard to make the animation play while walking

it looks like this when she's standing normally, lmao

[jade willow]

I feel like some simple things can quickly become hard 😭

When I get home I'll see if I can find the gap file

[surreal ermine]

that'd be awesome

[jade willow]

Alrighty Im back, did you happen to find it already or?

[surreal ermine]

no i'm currently doing something else sorry

[jade willow]

okok

😭

[bold mortar]

you're describing every mod i make

[surreal ermine]

oh dear god

[bold mortar]

[jade willow]

Wait how did you find her purse?

[surreal ermine]

amicita wiki

i don't think amicita has gap animations listed

[jade willow]

Yeah I was looking through there

Didnt see any

[bold mortar]

i wonder if amicita knows where the other sayuri textures are located...

[jade willow]

Im thinking if I know the item name maybe I can find the gap linked

[surreal ermine]

lemme find it

it0659_000.GMD
it0659_001.GMD
it0659_002.GMD

i think the third one is the purse set down

[bold mortar]

oh good

then i just need to get madarame's saferoom too

[jade willow]

thank you!

[surreal ermine]

np

if you find the GAP i'll try to handle making it play only with the casual bag

i imagine all i have to do is attach it to the flag that triggers the bag being on in the first place

i have yet to test if morgana's animations will soft lock the game or break the bag somehow

actually i'll just replace the idle animation. it'll play for the shujin ba too ig

[bold mortar]

i'm beginning to think the shoes need to be replaced

[surreal ermine]

also i think i'll leave the running animation as is. her arm might clip through the strap but i don't feel like dealing with that

oh but the walking animation...

[jade willow]

I found her transformation anim lol

😭 its so funny uncut

[surreal ermine]

i like how she just poofs out of existance

but it's interesting to know these animations exist? i thought they were fully prerendered

[jade willow]

i thought so as well

I bet they just panned the camera

AE0010_861.GAP

to 863 I think, maybe 864

[bold mortar]

orange seems off compared to the rest of it

[jade willow]

You could pop her red shoes on from winter uniform

omg I am watching this like video on Yumi King and this is so sad 😭

[surreal ermine]

this is the purse animation idle?

[jade willow]

No, the transformation

[surreal ermine]

ah

[bold mortar]

yeah maybe

either that or make them black ig

[buoyant arch]

I hate how small the areas for the bustup eyes to be registered are

i had so many ideas to make something nice but none of them would fit

[jade willow]

what is thiiiiis 😭

some of these anims Im like where did these come from

are we getting closer?

[bold mortar]

i'll have to check when i get home

also i should see about a recolor of the yukari outfit

[surreal ermine]

this has to be it right

[jade willow]

The issue is she bows

gonna keep looking

they dont seem organized at all

but this would be cute for a custom confidant moment!

[jade willow]

well the closest one I can find is her answering her phone and holding her purse or bowing

[safe pebble]

very aerith coded

[molten finch]

No wonder Kasumi/Rose has the Aerith Costume there 🤭

[safe pebble]

she has this mannerism/habit of leaning forwards a bit whenever she teases somebody

[molten finch]

That's Aerith for ya there lol

[safe pebble]

my babygirl

[safe pebble]

lowkey kasumi/ryuji coded if you think about it i can see them having this sorta interaction

[jade willow]

weeell

I looked through most of the base .gap files I suspect would be her's, idk maybe theyre in en

[safe pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-funny-gif-25164834

[molten finch]

Ooh

[surreal ermine]

omg wait ur right

this is the kind of energy i tried to portray

[surreal ermine]

sorry eve... if you're fine with it, i can just hand over the mod with the bag replacement for now

i'll spend my time another day looking for the animation myself

but if serpent&dove couldn't... idk

if i were skilled enough i'd seperate the hand being up from her bowing animation

[jade willow]

I mean it has to be in there somewhere. I may have just missed it as well. I can look again tomorrow

[raw marlin]

Where would the red texture for Kasumi's red and white outfit be at

[jade willow]

What outfit?

[raw marlin]

red and gold

[jade willow]

oh the PT one? it should be packed in the gmd

[surreal ermine]

yeah you can find it in the costumes folder

[raw marlin]

only red I found was her hair and gloves

[jade willow]

ryuji 😭

[safe pebble]

I SEE THE VISION LOUD AND CLEAR... kasumi being the polite yet somewhat confident and straightforward girl who's constantly teasing ryuji who she knows gets easily flustered and is clueless when it comes to interacting with women

https://tenor.com/view/ohshestakingit-monique-charmschool-gif-26377642

[safe pebble]

no worries!

i can take the purse swap file and try looking for the animation as well!

[jade willow]

Im seriously thinking its going to be a field animation if that helps

The purse ones I found seemed to be connected to the event of bowing or answering a phone call

tbh its rather surprising considering I didnt even notice she had a purse

[safe pebble]

she mostly has it on during her confidant events and dates 🤔

i tried looking earlier as well

but i'll try one more time

theres too many animation files 😂

[jade willow]

its a looot

It doesnt help that they seem not organized from what I can tell. Kasumi and Ann share the name for a lot of animations

[pseudo dock]

what anim are you trying to look for exactly?

[surreal ermine]

kasumi's arm being up when she has her purse on

[jade willow]

It's Kasumi's purse holding animation when walking or I guess even standing

[pseudo dock]

I see

is this it?

[jade willow]

no

way

HOW

[pseudo dock]

BE0010_021

[surreal ermine]

magic

seriously though

how

oh my fucking god

[jade willow]

No Croissant is a wizard

[surreal ermine]

all the animations are pre-done

[jade willow]

I spent HOURS looking for that and they found it in like 30 secs

[pseudo dock]

usually one time anims are AE while more reused anims are BE

[jade willow]

wait please teach me

So is it like for example

[surreal ermine]

ok now i just have to replace joker's idle animation with these (??)

i asked wisteria for those

[jade willow]

Actually I still dont get it. Are the AE's like the stack of original animations and BE's are the copies?

[jade willow]

I imagine you would just change the file name right?

[pseudo dock]

usually yeah, BEs are reserved for constant use.

[jade willow]

oh! let me ping @safe pebble so they wont keep looking

[pseudo dock]

somewhat

[surreal ermine]

i might need to edit the GAP a bit though... lemme take a look at what wisteria has for the idle anim

[pseudo dock]

it depends upon the GAP file

this gap should be fine

as most characters have standardized anim placements

[jade willow]

So while looking for her animation, did you go based off her gmd number and into field? Like what was your method if I can ask?

[pseudo dock]

I just went to the EVENT folder and then started from BE

[surreal ermine]

there's a lot of duplicates for the idle animations. i wonder if they're seperate for some reason?

[pseudo dock]

joker is different a small bit though

[pseudo dock]

I would assume it was easier on the developers part in some way

[surreal ermine]

looks like i'll need a turning animation

[pseudo dock]

it has those

[surreal ermine]

oh good

[jade willow]

so it was an event. Darn I must have missed it

[pseudo dock]

anim 22-25

[surreal ermine]

ok she has some extra animations in here

[jade willow]

I am using this however

[surreal ermine]

please don't tell me you do them one by one

[pseudo dock]

I just have the whole thing exported

[surreal ermine]

same

it's like 60 gb but it's whatever

[jade willow]

My pc storage is too precious

[pseudo dock]

too precious to look at sumi?

smh

[jade willow]

girlypop stays in the red on a good day

but today I cleaned up so

[pseudo dock]

you should get another storage device

[jade willow]

I keep telling myself I will...

But theres so many other fun things to spend money on! lol

[pseudo dock]

you can get like a 5 tb hhd for pretty cheap nowadays

thats what I have and it's still barely full after years

[surreal ermine]

girl your bow

[jade willow]

Idk how to install an hhd 😭

[pseudo dock]

yeah that happens a couple times

[surreal ermine]

just get an external hard drive

espec if you're using it for storage

and not say, games

[jade willow]

that might be the way to go

A lot of my storage is mods and resources for FFXIV

[pseudo dock]

That reminds me, sumi actually has a 2015 beta ann animation in her event folder, saw it just now.

[jade willow]

oooh!

[surreal ermine]

ok i'm gonna need to combine the GAP with the KAP idle gap, since the idle animations hava few extra in there. she flips her hair and does some little things

[jade willow]

wait do they work for her?

I actually saw a few of Ann's animations that I felt would be cute to use for Sumi

[surreal ermine]

oh god

[jade willow]

oh those cursed things

I saw those in my journey

So all those animations DO belong to Sumi. I thought they were just mixed up

[pseudo dock]

this is what it should normally look like

[pseudo dock]

not really, I assume they made her animations based off of ann's.

[jade willow]

Interesting.

They are relatively close

I thought Ann was taller than Sumi though

[pseudo dock]

They probably just retargeted the anims or just used them as reference.

[surreal ermine]

oh for some reason her bow physics are gone in these animations

[jade willow]

Well, croissant saves the day again!

[pseudo dock]

you can just add in the missing keyframes in blender

[surreal ermine]

no more bouncy bow?

[jade willow]

Is it possible that animation was intended for when her hair is down?

[surreal ermine]

a what

no she has her ponytail physics

[pseudo dock]

one sec

[surreal ermine]

maybe the long hair uses the same physics as the ponytail idk

[jade willow]

waittt

it must right? they use the same GAP file

[surreal ermine]

yeah the bow isn't moving at all

ohh she has some interesting animations

[jade willow]

yeah I was really surprised

Idk if all of those were in game.

[surreal ermine]

yeah i'll need to do some blender things

no i mean like the idle animation has these weird unfinished animations?

lemmme record

maybe for when the player abruptly stops the character

guys what if i said...i think her hand is on the wrong shoulder

oh it def is

joker's bag is on the right. she has her hand up on her left

[pseudo dock]

no jokers bag is on the left

[surreal ermine]

oh ok

phew

[jade willow]

witchcraft

I might actually need this as well to put Kasumi's bow back on for Rise

[surreal ermine]

there's also the problem of when she transitions into other animations. is it just gonna glitch into the next animation? she won't be putting her arm down

pulling out her phone, crossing her arms in front of her, etc

[pseudo dock]

if you want to learn a bit of animation I have a solution for you

[surreal ermine]

sweats

uhhh

[pseudo dock]

it's not that bad promise

[surreal ermine]

perhaps

[pseudo dock]

one sec

[surreal ermine]

i'll also need help with these

[pseudo dock]

you'll see soon : )

[surreal ermine]

time to bust out blender

[surreal ermine]

not my discord not playing the video

[pseudo dock]

you'll have to use 4.0. But it is well worth it.

[surreal ermine]

oh ok

also how do i get the model to look decent looking like that

[pseudo dock]

essentially you can change the position of the arm without having to actually reanimate it. If that makes sense

[surreal ermine]

it eveentually played

[pseudo dock]

wdym decent looking exactly?

[surreal ermine]

nvm

[pseudo dock]

I assume it's because i'm on an older version of blender

[surreal ermine]

where can i get old blender versions

[pseudo dock]

https://download.blender.org/release/

4.0 is near the bottom

[surreal ermine]

lovely

[pseudo dock]

oh right you're on linux

[surreal ermine]

second times a charm it worked this time

[pseudo dock]

nice

[bold mortar]

linux

[surreal ermine]

shut

oh jeez now i gotta reinstall the blender gfs tools

[bold mortar]

if you were on windows you would've finished your mod by now...

[surreal ermine]

riiight

[pseudo dock]

yeah it's a hassle but once it's done it's done

I have a few versions for specific addons and whatnot

[safe pebble]

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO BOOT UP MY PC

TO LOOK

[pseudo dock]

Sadly i'm gonna go sleep. If you have any questions or are stuck on anything I'll answer them tomorrow.

[surreal ermine]

ok

[pseudo dock]

lol

[bold mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-bcs-howard-hamlin-true-you-know-gif-8787667105374527924

[surreal ermine]

right bc having a different os affects that...

[pseudo dock]

but yeah animaide is super useful and I hate them for discontinuing it.

[bold mortar]

clearly linux is distracting you with its constant issues!

[surreal ermine]

i haven't had issues for months

[pseudo dock]

real ones airstrike microsoft while using windows 10 ltsc

[bold mortar]

i use windows 10 with the extra year of security updates

now...

what was i working on

oh yeah

new shoes

probably new socks too

ok decided to roll with this

[jade willow]

her hair keeps clipping during the talk animation 😭

[bold mortar]

at least it isn't doing the beard thing that long hair ann does

[jade willow]

haha I forgot about that

I think its kinda endearing though

[bold mortar]

yeah

ok shoes done

that means i'm gonna check out the yukari outfit

[jade willow]

the winter casual?

[surreal ermine]

does anyone know how to select bones? i'm clicking on them and it's not highlighting...

[molten finch]

He's very mocking him which is funny lmfao

[bold mortar]

yeah

[bold mortar]

could select them in pose mode

[surreal ermine]

uhhh

[bold mortar]

tbh though i don't know what exactly you're asking

[surreal ermine]

i'm trying to do this

woops i forgot to disable ping

[bold mortar]

it's in pose mode

aside form that i can't help you

i stay away from animations

[surreal ermine]

how do you go into pose mode

[jade willow]

gotta select the armature and then change mode

make sure its visible in the eye too

[surreal ermine]

oh i see

thanks

[jade willow]

yw!

also I think I might edit the textures of this to be an outfit, too cute

[buoyant arch]

was busying myself with some possible poses for a new bustup. Got this cooking for her, but bc it is inverted, I'm unsure of how it will look in-game

still got a few more on the works if this doesn't work, so eh. Possible studies for the future at least

[bold mortar]

fire

[buoyant arch]

this file of mine has way too many kasumi heads

anyways

[surreal ermine]

ooo i like it!

[bold mortar]

not sure if this is looking any good so far

[jade willow]

is this for red rose!?

[buoyant arch]

both

ill prob use it like i've been using the previous version, as a base and change hair/features when necessary

just with a line, posing and overall feel I can actually be happy with

[jade willow]

It looks super good

[bold mortar]

gonna see how good this idea looks in game

well the top part at least

[jade willow]

I love the alt position here

[jade willow]

Doesnt this already exist?

[buoyant arch]

my main issue with the alt pose is how it will look in-game. Most already gets hidden by the cut, but because most will be behind her instead of infront, I'm really unsure of how it will end up being like

only way to know is doing it

[bold mortar]

wdym

[jade willow]

The Yukari winter casual?

[buoyant arch]

there's her summer uniform

[bold mortar]

not the retexture i'm doing

[jade willow]

I have a feeling its going to look great, idk - cause cant you just adjust her over? (<- says the totally most unartistic person ever)

like to be in frame

[buoyant arch]

the issue is not having her be on frame or not

i'll show it, just a sec

ill try to make something up to explain it

basically, this is the original bustup with the parameters of where the eyes will actually be animated

thus why there's a png for all changes at the bottom

anythign outside the green square won't be animated

[bold mortar]

hmmm

[buoyant arch]

then what i should do, is put my version over joker's, while adjusting to make sure the eyes are where the animation would count. In this case, there would be a lot of leftover space to the right, which is exactly what I'd want to avoid

the short hair version, for example, covers a lot of the right area with her body, which is why I think it looks better in-game

and when looking at an in-game screenshot, the issue of having all of that right side unoccupied becomes glaring

but who knows, life has it's own way of surprising me. It might look good in the end

and again, only way to know is testing it

[bold mortar]

hmmm

[jade willow]

Ohhh I see now

[surreal ermine]

yeah. i'm thinking al lyou have to do is shift her more to the right

[buoyant arch]

out of curiosity, what is the retexturing you are doing?

[surreal ermine]

draw the ponytail out a bit more, bring the right side of the face to the edge

[buoyant arch]

oh I wish

[jade willow]

I dont know I think you could make it look nice to be honest. Again Im not really a artist but you could have more detail of her ponytail in view which I think would be cute too

[buoyant arch]

i'd beg for that

[buoyant arch]

which is why I wanted to make her ponytail over her shoulder

even in the original one, the ponytail would not be seen, if not me making it wrap around and go over her opposite shoulder

[buoyant arch]

I'm limited by the squares. I can make the entire thing smaller so she could fit better, but then we'd have too much of a difference between one version and the other.

unless ppl just simply don't mind, i guess

[surreal ermine]

i'm thinking you can.. rotate her

[buoyant arch]

I could also fill that blank space with her hand making some sort of thinking pose, like I did on her PT bustup

[surreal ermine]

hold on

[buoyant arch]

it was hastily made. I didn't really put much effort into making it fit properly, but if I try, I might be able to get something somewhat done

[surreal ermine]

if you rotate her a bit her chin will be closer to the edge

i think you have a bit of space

you can try bringing the right eye as close to the edge of the square as possible