(P5R PC) Rose & Violet - Story overhaul

[granite wren]

https://tenor.com/view/tohru-adachi-yu-narukami-shuada-adashu-persona-4-gif-5136454018208974429

honestly the best grab animation in any game

[bold mortar]

bruh i wouldn't know how to rig this even

well i got an idea

[jade willow]

I hate ears

who needs ears anyways

[bold mortar]

could make nemissa outfit

like that request on gamebanana wants

more to the point someone else could

i have impediments to making something like that

anyways i don't see the point of making something like this

it'd be two days of work for me

[jade willow]

Idk, I never really cared for Yukari's hair. Like it works for her but...

[bold mortar]

and i wouldn't use it

[bold mortar]

i like it

guess i could make the ringo outfit like someone was asking about

that's marginally better than nemissa

[bold mortar]

i was thinking about this

wouldn't make a bad config option

or just alternate version of the mod

[jade willow]

so it seems the bones work and she doesnt explode in animation

[granite wren]

[jade willow]

now I guess Ill have to manually weight paint as the transfer between the original mesh doesnt work... 😭

[safe pebble]

thats honestly so cute on her 😭

[jade willow]

I actually really like it!

[buoyant arch]

oh that's new hair material alright

looks really good

[jade willow]

The textures I think look beter than the other model's

[granite wren]

https://tenor.com/view/wilson-fisk-it's-peak-daredevil-born-again-it's-so-peak-gif-11684369166122328146

[bold mortar]

Kino

[hallow shore]

so peak

[bold mortar]

kinda tempted to swap out the standard uniform for the makoto one in my mod too now

[surreal ermine]

this looks really nice on her actually

[jade willow]

well hopefully I can figure out this weight painting stuff! It actually fits on her head pretty well

[hallow shore]

definitely a great alternative for the default hair

[jade willow]

Are these bones going to be okay or will I need to make new ones? I noticed while weight painting its moving oddly and Im wondering if its due to the bone shape

[bold mortar]

this is why i don't try weight painting

[jade willow]

Well I guess I could try with a new mesh...😭Now Im so invested

[bold mortar]

up to you ig

i tend to just stick with what's already in the game

to minimize the amount of work i need to do

[jade willow]

wait have you done weight painting ?

[bold mortar]

i do it if it's easy

otherwise i just transfer weights from another model

[bold mortar]

chat i've just had a very deranged idea

[safe pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736

[errant zenith]

I will burrrrrn

[safe pebble]

does anyone know where i'm able to find the phone in the files

lowkey wanna make some retexture edits on kasumi's phone

😭

[bold mortar]

i'm not making that...

[safe pebble]

is there a mod that alters joker's phone? i dunno why mine has a custom (?) texture? the phone from KAP it just shows as a plain phone but in game it has a custom one

sorta like this

it should be in the p5r essentials mod as a configure option right?

[bold mortar]

got the texture to be the right color i think

would have to make it fit with kasumi's head though

the texture quality is ass though

[jade willow]

thats enough for tonight...

If anyone has weight paint / rigging guides that helped them, pls lmk

[jade willow]

Also is this Makoto's hair?

[bold mortar]

yeah

[bold mortar]

have you tried weight transferring?

[bold mortar]

dunno what I'd be doing with this though

guess it can be a competitor to the other short hair mod

[jade willow]

I tried weight transferring from another model with that mesh and bones, but it didnt work seemingly. Im not sure if its because the bones are shaped oddly.

[jade willow]

It could also be seen as an alternative! It seems more edgy

[cedar hornet]

Oh hey, that was one of the hairstyles I tried when I was making it

[bold mortar]

probably because there isn't really a similar model

[bold mortar]

looks good suprisingly

[cedar hornet]

It does

[bold mortar]

i'll probably fart around with this idea some more this week

it'll probably be kinda annoying to rig though

[bold mortar]

you need a similar model to line up with the new mesh for the weight paints

[cedar hornet]

All of my hairstyles are just glued to Bip01 Head

[bold mortar]

idk i'd want this to work with the anim where she runs her hand through her hair

though that probably wouldn't make much sense with the makoto hair anyways

[cedar hornet]

would be kinda cool tho

i'm not experienced enough to know how to do that

[bold mortar]

it's not terribly complicated

just kinda annoying to do

though with your mod it's not very necessary

[cedar hornet]

Thats true, its something ill need to learn if i wanna keep doing hairstyles tho

[bold mortar]

i kinda want to make a new outfit

though theres nothing in particular i want to replace

i suppose i could make a either midwinter outfit or an alternative to the winter uniform

or maybe theres something i can work with to make a proper raidou costume for kasumi

[cedar hornet]

oh yeah outfits are fun, i'm working on another winter casual for short hair kasumi

[bold mortar]

i couldn't imagine what to make for winter casual

i like yukari's outfit too much

[cedar hornet]

valid

i'm just stealing pieces off the other girls

[bold mortar]

winter uniform might not be a bad idea though

could ditch the blazer and just have the turtleneck

like the classic uniform version of haru

[cedar hornet]

that would be cool, i'm looking for a nice button up shirt to stick under the school jacket

[bold mortar]

ok cool it handles the animations pretty well

now i just need a better texture

this texture is so bad

[cedar hornet]

couldn't you use the one from p3r? or just the whole hair?

[bold mortar]

gonna try the dancing texture

speaking of p3r though

wish i could mod that one

[cedar hornet]

is it really different? i was planning to look into it

[bold mortar]

p3r is on UE

that's why I won't mod it

UE is too much of a hassle

[cedar hornet]

yeah, i didn't like it when i was doing recolors and stuff

this is much easier

[bold mortar]

ok yeah the dancing texture works way better

[cedar hornet]

thats def better

[bold mortar]

unfortunately the blue here doesn't want to cooperate like the other texture did

hmmm

the hair color is turning out too red

ok much better

maybe i should get rid of this bit

[cedar hornet]

not her antenna

[bold mortar]

idk i think it might make the mesh a tiny bit more unique

only other think i could think to add would be like

some kind of ribbon

[cedar hornet]

its probably a good idea since the hair's kinda recognizable

[bold mortar]

probably put the ribbon right here

since on the back makes no sense

[cedar hornet]

i see the vision

[bold mortar]

so i'll need to choose the right ribbon

probably not this one

[cedar hornet]

are there any really small ones?

[bold mortar]

theres the one on the winter outfit

scaled down and trimmed isn't terrible ig

[cedar hornet]

i'm feeling it

[bold mortar]

hmm

[red inlet]

Did I miss something, why is Kasumi a door?

[bold mortar]

a what

[red inlet]

Chat do they not know?

[bold mortar]

i usually use normal words

@cedar hornet

[cedar hornet]

i love it

she looks so pretty with short hair

[bold mortar]

might be a bit much physics attached to the bow though

[cedar hornet]

have you tested it yet?

[cedar hornet]

I like it

it feels more alive when it sways i think

[bold mortar]

ok then

that means the model is ready for in-game testing

[bold mortar]

doesn't play very nice when walking though

[cedar hornet]

that sucks

[bold mortar]

it can probably be made to work

it'll just need some fiddling with the weights

hmmmm

this may be a bit beyond my skills

[cedar hornet]

oh well, it looks great regardless

[bold mortar]

ig the alternative is see how i can disable the physics on it and just attach it to the hair

[cedar hornet]

good ol Bip01 head

[bold mortar]

i thought it was a bit too bouncy anyways

actually what i can do is weigh it with the hair bone

and it'll bounce in accordance with the hair

ok yeah that's looking better

i'm gonna readjust it and then test it in game

[cedar hornet]

thats so awesome

[bold mortar]

now i get to decide if i want to update the rest of the models tonight or play the game a little bit

[cedar hornet]

I always wind up trying to play and seeing something else i gotta fix

[bold mortar]

yeah

thats how it's been with the mitsuru outfit

only thing i kinda want to adjust is the hair color

[cedar hornet]

adjustments are a slippery slope 😔

[bold mortar]

yeah

but i think it's not quite the same color as the other mods

[jade willow]

I love the vibe of this outfit + hair

I think people will really enjoy it as well

[cedar hornet]

its very persona 3

[jade willow]

It is, feels like a p3 oc

[bold mortar]

i mean

mitsuru clothes

makoto hair

lol

maybe the incognito outfit will have her style it like yukari

[cedar hornet]

that could be cool

[bold mortar]

hmmmmm

i can't get the color right

it feels like its too red

[lusty cape]

Doorsumi💔💔💔

[bold mortar]

tf does that mean

[molten finch]

Dang you never played Persona 3 Games & not know the Door reference? lol

[bold mortar]

i've play p3 twice wtf does that mean

[molten finch]

Spoilers just in case: ||He gives up his soul to be the "door" keeping Nyx locked away.||

[bold mortar]

oh

that part

that part which i hate immensely

[molten finch]

Yuup

[bold mortar]

i figured out the best way to do it

make the original texture black and white and then recolor it

[cedar hornet]

That sounds really useful

[bold mortar]

hmmm

dunno if its still too dark

[cedar hornet]

i like it

[bold mortar]

doesn't quite match it still

[cedar hornet]

i think it might be a difference in texture tho

[bold mortar]

yeah ofc

i won't be able to match it

but i want it to get closer

[cedar hornet]

fair

[bold mortar]

i should check your mod actually

see what the color is like

[cedar hornet]

it could do with some adjustment tbh

[bold mortar]

more brownish that the other ones

[cedar hornet]

yeah, i could probably do better now but i really don't wanna do all those models again

[bold mortar]

probably will roll with the one on the right

[bold mortar]

yeah exactly

a lot of upshots to having the models this way

but that is not one of them

[cedar hornet]

it looks good

[bold mortar]

ok right side it is

time to do the tedious process of replacing like

what

50 models?

actually it might be closer to 100

[cedar hornet]

yeah and then all the costumes

at least it feels great when its over

[bold mortar]

ah fuck

phantom thief outfit will need adjustments to the hair probably

[cedar hornet]

prob, violets mask sucks

[bold mortar]

hmmm

wonder what i'm even gonna name the mod

[cedar hornet]

medium length hair Kasumi?

shortish hair kasumi?

[bold mortar]

those don't really roll off the tongue lol

[cedar hornet]

def not lol

[bold mortar]

i don't think theres a way to salvage this lol

[cedar hornet]

lol thats why I run maskless now

[bold mortar]

this is gonna be scuffed

oh well

ok that's as good as it'll get

uh oh

[cedar hornet]

the hat outfits are the worst

at least makoto's hair is pretty flat up top

[bold mortar]

i'm just gonna be lazy with this

i don't care

[surreal ermine]

just quickly looked some up in yt
https://youtu.be/4fICQmBEt4Y

[bold mortar]

ok all the overworld models are edited

next up the costumes and the optional files

and then a redo of the incognito outfit i think

but i'll save those for tomorrow

[cedar hornet]

valid, you got through the overworld stuff way faster than i would

[bold mortar]

pretty straightforward

delete the hair

add the new one

export

[cedar hornet]

i get distracted lol

[bold mortar]

usually takes a minute or two per model

[bold mortar]

idk i can just automate it in my head

got better call saul on my other monitor

so i just put like 70% of my focus on that

[cedar hornet]

might try your method tbh

[bold mortar]

anyways the costumes will take just as long

if not longer since some will need to be edited to accommodate hats and whatnot

then optional files

[surreal ermine]

modding with better call saul lmao

[bold mortar]

with the commentary track

watched three episodes today while i was making this

[surreal ermine]

I should do that with house md

[bold mortar]

also though my brain just goes into focus mode with mods

like i was trying to write an essay today and it took like 10 hours to finish the second half of it

in 4 hours i've modeled, retextured, and implemented a new model

[cedar hornet]

prob because modding is really fun

[bold mortar]

ehhhh

kinda

i guess i should figure out the bustup question for this mod

or more accurately just ignore the bustups

[cedar hornet]

i wish I was artistic enough to make my own

[bold mortar]

i was only able to make the ones for the alternate bangs mod because i had something already drawn to work with

i suppose it might be possible to steal makoto yuki's hair from his bustup

probably more work than i'd care to put in though

[cedar hornet]

I tried something like that with Leon's bustup but i couldn't work it in a way that didn't look sloppy

[surreal ermine]

this is so real

[bold mortar]

yeah i'm just gonna wait for L7M3 to get around to working on mine

[surreal ermine]

my executive dysfunction seems to apply to moddi g as well though, which is unfortunate

commitment... ugh

[bold mortar]

idk with modding it's easier just to butt your head at problems until they're solved

essays you actually gotta just sit down and do

and think about at the same time

the product of hours of tiny adjustments

but i still didn't get to make the outfit mods i was planning to do

those would've taken way shorter and could've been released by now

[cedar hornet]

she looks soo pretty

[bold mortar]

very fortunate makoto was already in the game files too

didn't have to mess with anything from P3D

besides taking the texture from that

since it was way better lol

[cedar hornet]

yeah, i was playing with his animations earlier

[bold mortar]

funny how it just worked though

[cedar hornet]

the protag fights are soo cool too

[bold mortar]

two different dimensions

somehow the P3D one worked right out of the box

[cedar hornet]

maybe they're the same model?

[bold mortar]

i should figure out though what to do about incognito hair though

[bold mortar]

probably

oh you know what it was probably

the boss fight probably wasn't in vanilla p5

so they just used the dancing model for Royal

[cedar hornet]

i think it was dlc

[bold mortar]

ok yeah

royal addition

that makes sense then

[cedar hornet]

ooooh

[bold mortar]

Dunno what I'll make though for a midwinter outfit

I kinda like the rise one but I feel like there's something I could make that I'd like more

[jade willow]

crying and dyinggg

Okay so I guess...During animations there needs to be animation for the hair as well?

[buoyant arch]

unsure how it's meant to work, but i do think there is no in-game engine physics for hair

so yeah, you'll prob need to animate them yourself in the animations

[jade willow]

no big deal!

[pseudo dock]

there is

it's those physic chunks on some models like joker or sumi

https://github.com/DniweTamp/p5-physics-tools I use this to edit the physics in blender

[jade willow]

omg Bless you, Ill look at this in blender

[pseudo dock]

np, if you have any questions just ask

[jade willow]

Thank you! Sooner than probably expected, but, I copied the folders into the add-ons section and the add on isnt showing up in blender. Am I placing them in the incorrect folder?

[pseudo dock]

what version of blender are you on

[jade willow]

4.53

[pseudo dock]

I would suggest trying 4.5 or 4.0. I had it on 4.0 and it worked fine.

[jade willow]

ahh okay! Can I still open my file in a later vers?

[pseudo dock]

yeah

I've never really gone past 4.2, surprised the gfs extension works.

[jade willow]

oh wow I guess I got lucky!

success! Thank you!

[pseudo dock]

np again

[jade willow]

So, Im a little confused on what is to be done here? Is there meant to be a run script option?

[pseudo dock]

you don't really need to do that

but it's this script probably

then you put that script in here and then run it

[jade willow]

oooh! Thank you so much!

[pseudo dock]

np

[jade willow]

so they exported into .YAML but as I imported them here it seemed no changes were made. I also fiddled with the sliders and no reaction.

[pseudo dock]

they only show up ingame

if you want to see them in game you have to export the ymal and then overwrite entry 1 and 3 respectfully

specifically in gfd

[jade willow]

oooh! the preview doesnt show in blender?

[pseudo dock]

no it doesn't, you just have to see how it looks ingame im afraid

atleast I haven't found a way to do it otherwise

oh right, you could use the p5 2015 beta build to view them. But that's about it.

[jade willow]

I see! Well let me just try it first in-game and see if I did correctly

Thank you again for all your help!

[pseudo dock]

np

[jade willow]

I am super new to this

[pseudo dock]

It's fine, everyone starts out new.

[jade willow]

I really appreciate the patience and kindness!

[pseudo dock]

I try my best to help out as much as possible.

[jade willow]

Hmm. Should I be replacing the bone relations or the bone info? Would the preview show up in gfd studio or only in game?

[pseudo dock]

iirc bone info is entry 1 and relations is 3

also if you have a mod menu, the 'teleport' function in it should give a better indicator. Since it will force the physics objects to move.

[pseudo dock]

and/or info 3 and relations 1. None of them should be on 2 from my testing

[jade willow]

ohh okay I think I did it backwards with info on 1 and relations on 3

I did try teleport and no movement

[pseudo dock]

hmm

usually it worked for me

[jade willow]

let me try to switch it and then test, I think I put them on the wrong one?

Yeah, no dice. I wonder if its because of the way the bones are set up...

[pseudo dock]

have you tried doing the export button here?

[jade willow]

Yes, so I ran the script, got the YAML, and then imported them into this and then exported the model and replaced the YAML in GFD studio.

Wait I should redo the script, maybe something went wrong there

[pseudo dock]

no not the model

you just have to export the yaml

and then replace 1 and 3 in gfd

[jade willow]

Oh sorry Im confused, after the script ran I got the YAMLs in my folder. Are those not what's meant to be put into GFD Studio?

[pseudo dock]

I never really did it that way tbh. I just exported them using the buttons. idk why it wouldn't work though.

[jade willow]

Ohhh!

Wait let me try that

[bold mortar]

wow it's all coming together

[jade willow]

Yeah that didnt work for me. I wonder if its because my bones are messy

Would I be able to use the wiggle blender add-on for animations? Or would that not work in-game?

[jade willow]

Looks good!

[bold mortar]

still need to come up with an alternative incognito hairstyle though

[pseudo dock]

it would work, you would just need to bake in the animation for every animation that you want to see it move.

[bold mortar]

bro's teaching it the right way 😭

[pseudo dock]

it's not hard just really tedious

[pseudo dock]

could have the hair be dyed or something?

[bold mortar]

https://youtu.be/c0QLdsecRZc?si=6MYrzBnulDXO4bjg

[pseudo dock]

so true

[bold mortar]

ig but that wouldn't make a lot of sense imo

i was thinking change it to like

yukari's hairstyle or something

[buoyant arch]

give her the junpei treatment and lend her a hat

[pseudo dock]

make her bald

[buoyant arch]

that too

[bold mortar]

could do that but that will also require effort

[buoyant arch]

k fair enough

[bold mortar]

i should show you guys how scuffed the beef bowl hat is

[granite wren]

Give her gag glasses

[pseudo dock]

you just need to put the hat on and then delete the parts of the hair that isn't seen

[bold mortar]

i cranked this out in like 5 minutes

[jade willow]

Oooh...because of the animation doesnt transfer well?

[bold mortar]

because i didn't care at all lol

[pseudo dock]

well it just wont transfer if you don't bake

[bold mortar]

tbh though i'll probably redo it

[jade willow]

I see...Is baking hard?

[pseudo dock]

no, you just need to go into the global settings and then back wiggle, You also need to set the frames to how many there are in the animation (for example this anim is 61 frames). Make sure to check 'overwrite current action, so you don't have to copy paste keyframes.

If you want to view the anim do this and then select action editor instead of dope sheet. And after that, a quick way to change the frames is CTRL + END. It'll set the keyframe limit to where the blue line is in the action editor

[jade willow]

Wait I think I might have a different add on?

[pseudo dock]

sorry, was doing something

yeah you need wiggle 2

https://github.com/shteeve3d/blender-wiggle-2

[jade willow]

Thank you so much, sorry for bugging you so much!

Does her hair look like jello? 🫠

[pseudo dock]

it's fine, I don't mind

looks good to me

I would suggest looking at other hair animations to see what you could change.

like from ann or kasumi

[jade willow]

Like in terms in the direction it should swing?

[pseudo dock]

I mean in general. If you want it to look like it's from the game, since they most likely used the same physics thing to make all of the hair animations.

[safe pebble]

the hair fits her so well 😩🩷

[jade willow]

Ahh, it probably would be so much nicer if the p5 physics worked for me 😭 That likely follows the same ruleset huh?

[pseudo dock]

No like, hair also is baked in on p5 characters

not all but most of the female characters have animations for their hair baked in

[jade willow]

Ohh. I didnt know that!

[pseudo dock]

yeah, they did that with stuff like the skirts and boobs too. But they also have the ingame physics helping the animation look better.

I think the skirts don't have the ingame physics but the boobs do.

[jade willow]

I see..

Wiggle 2 seems to have less options than wiggle 1?

[pseudo dock]

maybe? I never used wiggle 1

[jade willow]

Oh I see yeah, it seems like they removed amp rotation unless Im missing it

[pseudo dock]

damn

[jade willow]

Well Ill try it anyways and maybe a miracle will happen who knows!

[jade willow]

Shot in the dark but would this essentially act the same as wiggle 2's bake?

[pseudo dock]

probably yeah, but the regular wiggle bake works fine

[jade willow]

Oh but I thought since it didnt have overwrite current action it wasnt?

[pseudo dock]

I didn't realize wiggle 1 didn't have it

regardless that should work

[jade willow]

Nice!!

So do I just export it as a GAP?

[pseudo dock]

yeah

sorry, was doing something again

[jade willow]

Oh no worries! Don't feel compelled to answer, if you're busy you're busy! I appreciates all the help so thank you

Sadly it seemed that didn't work...I think I will try some more tomorrow though!

At least I'm pretty sure the weights and bones are ok

[pseudo dock]

what about it didn't work?

you could try just baking it from wiggle 1 and seeing what happens

Like the overwrite check isn't necessary. It's just for convenience.

[jade willow]

I exported it as a GAP then the model as well, entered it in GFD and in the preview it was still the same.

[pseudo dock]

yeah then i'd suggest just try baking through wiggle 1

[jade willow]

Okay let me give that a shot!

Nope lol

To be fair I could be doing something very simple wrong so its just messing everything up. Maybe I'll comission someone and then ask them how they worked it out..

[pseudo dock]

try wiggle 2

because it should be working

could you give me the model?

[jade willow]

Actually I wonder if wiggle 2 could make wiggle 1 work? It's just wiggle 1 has the rotation option. Im sure there's a decent reason why wiggle 2 doesnt have it but the animations look weird to me 😭

[jade willow]

I can send it over and you can look at it if you want whenever youre bored or whatever! Fair warning its probably a complete mess so...

[pseudo dock]

it's fine

[jade willow]

Alright! I think I sent it correctly

[bold mortar]

ok costumes are done

which leaves optional files

[jade willow]

Does Rose and violet alt models use GAP files or is that Kasumi as protag?

[bold mortar]

i think they'd be in kasumi as protag

alt models is just models afaik

[bold mortar]

ok i think i've finished replacing all the models

guess its time to fix the beef bowl one

and then make the incognito outfit

man this hat sucks

[bold mortar]

hmm i have really no idea what I would do with this though

[bold mortar]

could borrow aigis hair maybe

that's similar length

oh wait aigis has the head thing

hmmm

yeah idk

actually could borrow the naoto hat

either that or the beef bowl one

ok that'll probably have to do

yeah good enough

[buoyant arch]

looks really solid

[bold mortar]

i think i'm done now

not gonna bother with bustups so i'd just have to publish it at this rate

[buoyant arch]

i might do them

who knows

[bold mortar]

with every mod i release i keep giving you more work...

[buoyant arch]

and by all means

do not stop

[bold mortar]

well i think i want to spend the rest of the night making a new midwinter outfit

that'll either be simpler

or annoyingly complicated

goody the config doesn't want to work

time to spend an hour fixing this

ok fixed it

[jade willow]

idk I usually dont like short hair but I think she is soooo cute

She gives very sweet girl vibes

[bold mortar]

makoto yuki giving the sweet girl vibes

[jade willow]

I think she kinda reminds me of the girl from ouran host club

https://tenor.com/view/ouran-high-school-host-club-gif-21583664

[bold mortar]

i gotta come up with a name for the mod still

rn in the test build its Makoto Hair Kasumi

[surreal ermine]

isn't she genderfluid?

(or does she just cross dress... I haven't watched it)

[jade willow]

Oh maybe? I watched it when I was a kid so it was so long ago

I just remember everyone thought she was a pretty boy and she never cared to correct them

[bold mortar]

imagine watching anime

[surreal ermine]

and all the boys were all over her anyway lol

i feel like i watched a recap... she dressed up as a boy to be a host in the host club at school

not sure... might be a naoto moment

[jade willow]

Yeah I kinda forget but she was wearing the male uniform for some reason. I looked it up and people seem to interpret it as her being agender?

[surreal ermine]

but in any case, i agree. the hair on kasumi like that gives her that sort of androgynous femininity

[surreal ermine]

i don't think it was ever said, so i suppose it's up to interpretation

[jade willow]

Regardless its super cute

[bold mortar]

oh right we were commenting on my mod lol

i forgot

anyways i'm gonna release this tomorrow morning or so

so now i wanna come up with a new winter or midwinter outfit or something

[jade willow]

Sounds good!

Whenever I wanna play the game but not play the game fr I use mod manager to call in ||Black mask fight and just fight him||, with the new ai its actually fun

[bold mortar]

new ai?

[jade willow]

Also I never noticed he said this before 💀 What a drama queen

[surreal ermine]

black mask ai overhaul

i still found it too easy, lol

[bold mortar]

oh wow i actually have that one

gonna see how well that goes for me

[jade willow]

I love it

[bold mortar]

paired with

[surreal ermine]

i actually posted my fight... halfway through bc i forgot

[jade willow]

Your video made me download it!

[surreal ermine]

oh lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCCCz8N_Djk

[jade willow]

I feel like it suits his personality better being more aggressive and its kinda fun cause you get in oh crap situations easily

[bold mortar]

have like 2 difficulty mods going at once

its pretty crazy

[bold mortar]

this and customizeable merciless

[surreal ermine]

i forgot this fight happened directly after another one and went into this fight with like no sp

[bold mortar]

its why i stock up on the leblanc coffee

[bold mortar]

ok time to figure this out

what would be the basis...

[jade willow]

same lmao

[surreal ermine]

i think i'll record the final maruki cutscene just for funzies

need more people on the kap train

oh i never uploaded the long hair sumire video i recorded

[bold mortar]

ok made the thumbnail

[raw marlin]

I knew they were related

[jade willow]

You know for all these hairstyles, the ponytail is the best still imo

She just is so cute

[bold mortar]

oh yeah definitely lol

might try with the makoto hair next run

but my version of the ponytail mod is the best imo

[raw marlin]

You gonna use his Personas too to add to that

[bold mortar]

i think the only DLC persona i have in my loadout is Magatsu Izanagi

hmmm what shall i call the mod though

rn the working title is makoto hair kasumi lol

[buoyant arch]

red door

[raw marlin]

Kasumi Yuki? 🤔

[buoyant arch]

not quite, she isn't redhaired as sumi

[bold mortar]

i learned what that means yesterday

[buoyant arch]

could work

somewhat

[bold mortar]

I despise The Answer though

so idk

[raw marlin]

What did the Answer do to you

[buoyant arch]

to us all

[bold mortar]

aside from not bringing back the protagonist?

just find it offensive

[buoyant arch]

imagine buyiung the expensive version of reload to not get the answer dlc

[bold mortar]

kinda the whole concept just offends me

[buoyant arch]

sumi started listening to old angsty teen punk rock

[raw marlin]

Just as bad as not having beta Ohya

[buoyant arch]

and decided to get to "the phase"

[buoyant arch]

eventually

[raw marlin]

I have my eyes on you

[bold mortar]

probably just gonna call it Makoto Hair Kasumi at this rate

[raw marlin]

But is it the real punk rock

[bold mortar]

P5 fans will just have to take the L

[buoyant arch]

we'll get a name at some point

for now i think this is fine

[bold mortar]

https://chatgpt.com/

[surreal ermine]

[raw marlin]

Ah nah man not ChatGPT

[bold mortar]

if it can help me with Ancient Greek it can help me with this

[jade willow]

chatgpt gives awful info so be careful with that

[bold mortar]

i'm not asking it to do research lol

it can do basic translations

[surreal ermine]

done. @molten finch i think you wanted to see
https://youtu.be/jNOMi6PuDyM

[molten finch]

Ooh gonna watch rn

[jade willow]

HELLO IS THIS A WHOLE TRAILER?!

[surreal ermine]

for anyone wondering, the transformation scene is completely prerendered and couldn't be un-prerended with cbt. that's why the ponytail is still there

[buoyant arch]

trully an atlus moment

ig there was nothing they could do

[surreal ermine]

well it had a lot of complex animations. i recorded this like 5 times already bc i was lagging so much because of the rest being unprerended. i was surprsied how synced the audio was when i got this

you can still see some lag spikes

[buoyant arch]

wont lie though, the transition from the ponytail to the new hair from one scene to the other was actually clean

[jade willow]

It looked really smooth there yeah

Speaking OF the long haired models

[surreal ermine]

i started off with kap + red rose which is why i think it was lagging so much too. also the glasses do... you'll see

oh this is the one where i forgot to stop recording LMAO

[bold mortar]

deepseek i ask for research

[jade willow]

I noticed that they dont use their own GAP animations - croissant guard was trying to show me how to use a p5 physics tool but I couldnt get it to work out. Instead they super kindly showed me how to bake hair animations in but then I realized I would need to replace all the gap files - and that Longhaired Sumi uses the same GAP animations as ponytail

[molten finch]

Pretty great~~

Although for a R&V Playthrough I would make it Long Hair while she was in Glasses when she enters the palace for first time and than she does the transform into Long Hair Ribbon Model for her PT outfit~

[surreal ermine]

like i said the transformation sequence can't be altered

i'm sure deathchaos tried

[surreal ermine]

i was actually amazed how well the hair worked despite being slapped on technically a whole new model

you can see it clip in some areas. specifically in events i see a lot of her turning her head too much to the point the hair just... goes in her shouleder

but that's because when making the event they were accommodating for the ponytail

and just like wisteria, i am not editing every single event where this happens

[jade willow]

Youre talking about MyTamagos' long hair?

[surreal ermine]

correct

on sumire

real sumire

[jade willow]

Thats actually a good point!

I didnt even think about that, was it a pretty simple transfer or did you have problems?

[surreal ermine]

there was no problems

since the hair physics seem to share the same bones as the ponytail

if you watch the cutscene again, you can see the back of her hair... go forward... lol

so

[jade willow]

Right...so her bones somehow work for the ponytail animations too...

It looks super natural though.

[surreal ermine]

mytamagos knew how to make it look natural, i suppose

if i had to complain, i'd say they're too exaggerated. but that's a nitpick, and i'd rather just have the model instead of needing new GAP animations as well

[jade willow]

That actually makes me feel better

[surreal ermine]

i'd say the weight painting was done really well too if you look closely

[jade willow]

I felt like I had to figure out a way to make the Rise hair work with the normal skeleton as Mytagamos' but thats likely an unrealistic expectation if they were just super skilled

[surreal ermine]

you can always ask

[jade willow]

mytagamos? Is that alright to do?

[surreal ermine]

i think the main thing with the mytamagos hair is that the weight painting makes it look relatively natural

even if it's clearly still using ponytail animations, if you look close enough

[molten finch]

Ripp that sucks x.x

[surreal ermine]

yeah i'm sure they don't mind

uh... what's their discord again...

@sharp pumice

[jade willow]

omg

fingers crossed

[surreal ermine]

it's alright... the modders here aren't celebrities lmao

tbf i felt the same way when i first joined

i'm not sure the ponytail bones will work with the rise hair...

but you can try

[jade willow]

did you know i felt that way about YOU as well

[surreal ermine]

LMAO WHAT

[jade willow]

hahaha not me outting myself buut yeah

[surreal ermine]

i started modding like two months ago

well... i made one mod a few years ag

o

[buoyant arch]

maybe it would be an inconvenience bc of discord's notification sound, but I have it turned off

[surreal ermine]

i actually prefer to be pinged, because i will miss your message if you don't ping me when you need me

[buoyant arch]

so yeah, even though I get spammed on other servers I just don't mind

[jade willow]

thats so cute and wholesome

[buoyant arch]

same. Got to that point when I post progress on my work in here

[hallow shore]

I once posted my wip mod but got scared and deleted it :/

[bold mortar]

ok all set up

[surreal ermine]

i also like to be pinged in replies because it highlights the message and i can see the replies... since my adhd brain glazes over the name and only sees the role color 💀

[buoyant arch]

i might re-use the other short hair kasumi bustup I made as a base, more because I'm really proud of that one and because it fits well into the posture and hair

if you don't mind

[surreal ermine]

that's a lot of images

[bold mortar]

yeah no problem

[buoyant arch]

I'll have some free time tomorrow. I might get to it then

[bold mortar]

i kinda just dumped my steam screenshots onto it

[surreal ermine]

steam screenshots... thst

woops

that's a good idea

add that to the counter of me fat fingering the enter key

[buoyant arch]

i also need to do that other version of the ponytail. I might try redoing the bustup in general bc I started seeing some things I didn't before, but eh

at some point

[surreal ermine]

don't make more work for yourself...

[bold mortar]

oh yeah i got two mods lol

[hallow shore]

how many new mods for p5r are just going to be kasumi hair models lol

[buoyant arch]

it's an artist thing

[hallow shore]

-# not that I don't mind

[jade willow]

I hope we can get many variations

[raw marlin]

Ohya when?

[surreal ermine]

i've done it with my writing before

[buoyant arch]

yup, artists in general

[bold mortar]

oh yeah i gotta publish the mod lol

i forgot i put in a dummy zip here

[buoyant arch]

there's a pinned msg from like, a year or two where i sort of said that through imrpovement, you notice things you couldn't see before

it's where my own shame of past work comes from

i stopped seeing it as such nowadays, bc it was a point where I was improving

so maybe I'll get to work on something new, bc I learned new things and got overall better

[hallow shore]

Both times I published my mods I got a complete panic attack

[buoyant arch]

it will happen

relax

[jade willow]

Ohya what?

[surreal ermine]

ohya?

[buoyant arch]

yeah

[surreal ermine]

what

[buoyant arch]

part of femc redux

beta ohya

[surreal ermine]

OOOOHHH

[jade willow]

my brain still isnt getting it

shes in there?

[surreal ermine]

yeah i'm waiting for femc redux to be finished to play that

[buoyant arch]

yeah, there's a beta version of ohya

[hallow shore]

femc redux?

[buoyant arch]

at least, it looks like it

she has a camera

[surreal ermine]

yeah they got beta twins and beta ohya

[jade willow]

oh no shes hot

[surreal ermine]

and a whole ass beta city

if i say they should've just focused on the story i might be slaughtered

[buoyant arch]

shameless advertising but yeah, we are on our way to doing that

[jade willow]

a what?!

[buoyant arch]

not really. We agree on that, actually

[hallow shore]

???

[surreal ermine]

they remade a whole ass city from the beta

[buoyant arch]

we were waiting on the event editor to do stuff. When it came out, most of our crew was busy with life

[hallow shore]

what city and what beta?

[surreal ermine]

sunimoiya? is that what it's called

[buoyant arch]

yup, that's the one

[jade willow]

bro wait what? are they liike making it from scratch?

[surreal ermine]

#1229913627549503529 message

[buoyant arch]

it was on a beta trailer

[hallow shore]

unknown link :/

[jade willow]

cant see this

[raw marlin]

It’s on our Discord

[buoyant arch]

there were a few assets we used, but yeah a good part was from scratch

[jade willow]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[surreal ermine]

join the server lol

[hallow shore]

too complicated

[jade willow]

it doesnt even say

[surreal ermine]

#1229913627549503529 message

[surreal ermine]

i don't think we can send server invites

[surreal ermine]

are you in the femc redux server?

[hallow shore]

no

[surreal ermine]

then join it

[jade willow]

thats pretty insane, are they professionals?

[surreal ermine]

it's on the gb project page. the link on the official release gb doesn't work

https://gamebanana.com/projects/36740 it's here

[buoyant arch]

nah, we are just some crazy lunatics with too much passion

and we used to have a lot of freetime

good times

[raw marlin]

Good times indeed

[hallow shore]

I wish I had the skill to do anything lol

[buoyant arch]

we'll get to it again

[jade willow]

Infiltrated the redux server ✅

[surreal ermine]

ajda was set back with render preview bc one of their co-creators went MIA. idk how close it is to being done at all

they recently made a breakthrough with managing to make rotation work, is all i know

[buoyant arch]

as seen with R&V, things ARE possible now

[surreal ermine]

well, zylvos is insane

and used EVTTOOL

[buoyant arch]

but life tends to punch us at the worst possible moments

[surreal ermine]

which is a JSON FILE!!

[buoyant arch]

i don't quite get it, as I'm just one of the 2d artists

but from the little I've seen, json files are no fun to work on

[surreal ermine]

even wisteria used evtui, but zylvos didn't even know of its existance... and managed to do all this editing a json file in a text editor

[jade willow]

Nanako spotted?!

[surreal ermine]

but i'll make a hot take again, y'all can finish the story edits with evtui in its current state

[buoyant arch]

I do have my hopes up. One more month of uni and I'll be free from this madness

only to go to another madness, which is working on mods

but that madness is shared with other mad people

so it's fun

[buoyant arch]

yeah, we are doing that too

[surreal ermine]

i really would've been fine with this mod if y'all just did the story edits... but it reminds me a lot of startup projects that simply fail because its members or founder bites off more than they can chew

[buoyant arch]

we discussed this a lot, ever since we got to the point of requiring delays

[surreal ermine]

with my sumire as protagonist, i don't expect my big dreams of like, commissioning an animator to redo some cutscenes to actually come true. i just kind of leave it as a "man, that'd be cool". i think zylvos did the same. sometimes you have to be realistic

[buoyant arch]

we were ambitious in the start, that's for damn sure. Won't say it's a pity, bc even with that, we managed to do a lot of good work. But I do believe that focusing a tad more on one thing instead of others would've been better managing on our part

[surreal ermine]

i do think your ambission enabled you to make some insane shit i'll admit that

croissantguard is magic

[buoyant arch]

again, we were passionate idiots at the start, and reality had to hit us at some part

now that it did, it allowed us to finally understand where to aim and shoot

[jade willow]

even still, this is so much content

its seriously a dlc's worth

[buoyant arch]

i say idiots with no bite, btw. We are just passionate

[surreal ermine]

yeah it blew me away when i saw it

and then i saw the delays... and made the connection. lol sometimes you lose sight of the most important parts while pursuing small side projects

(oh god oh no i'm talking about myself)

[buoyant arch]

i feel like working on this mod while in the break at redux allowed me to better my 2d skills to the point it looks like another person was drawing

[jade willow]

idk im a big dreamer

shoot for the moon, and even if you miss you land amongst the stars!

[buoyant arch]

i have a few things from a year ago saved. Damn

[surreal ermine]

i actually know how to edit evt's now because of my small little side projects, and now i kind of wish i would've made the events in r&v male romance original

but using gay joker's makes less work. and i'm still procrastinating on the writing part

if i was an efficient writer it would've been done in late september

[jade willow]

idk, I think its worth the wait if it comes out as well done as Ryuji's

[surreal ermine]

i did ryuji's in like... a week

i get small bursts of inspiration sometimes

[bold mortar]

[surreal ermine]

nooo don't confirm my self-loathing 😭

[bold mortar]

should get on it so i can have more storylines by christmas

[jade willow]

I think I would rather have writing that feels authentic to the character than feeling like they are out of character

[surreal ermine]

fuuucck

[bold mortar]

akechi by christmas

[surreal ermine]

HELL

NO

sorry

but specifically for akechi, i'm making that original so it'll be a while

[bold mortar]

yusuke at least

[jade willow]

its okayyy raven

[surreal ermine]

also i gotta finish this comission i'm doing. i want to finish mishima then completely focus on this commission then get back to it. this person paid me $75...

[jade willow]

you can share all your ideas for akechi's storyline with me, theyre safe ❤️ 😏

[bold mortar]

imagine getting paid

[surreal ermine]

i'm pretty sure i already laid it out in my thread

[bold mortar]

he'd be my second choice

[surreal ermine]

if i lock in and completely finish this comission, maybe yusuke by christmas

[bold mortar]

lock in

[surreal ermine]

i might do yusuke during winter break

[jade willow]

any idea that pops up in your mind!

[surreal ermine]

exams in 3 weeks

[bold mortar]

once exams end it's persona 4 for me

[jade willow]

whyd you have to bring those up...

[bold mortar]

then the next p5 run

[surreal ermine]

i would say i'd do stuff during thanksgiving break too but i have like. 2 days off

[pseudo dock]

truthfully the only reason they haven't progressed along side the other changes was because the event editor doesn't have the render view implemented. We've had story changes on our mind for a long time now at this point.

[surreal ermine]

like i said before itruly believe you can do the story changes with evtui in its current state

i have no idea if ajda will even get render preview done any time soon. no offense, but yeah

i think they themselves said without... i forgot the name of the other person... that they're having a hard time

[grand grove]

pherakki

[surreal ermine]

thank you lol

[grand grove]

the goat

[bold mortar]

ok my mod is all set up for release

[surreal ermine]

peak

[bold mortar]

now to stop procrastinating and fiddle around with a new winter outfit

actually winter uniform idea isn't difficult

[surreal ermine]

i would say i should stop procrastinating too, but i should go to bed!

[bold mortar]

since i want to just remove the blazer and have the turtlneck

[bold mortar]

then you can wake up early and work on the yusuke route!

[surreal ermine]

watch me be up 4 hours after saying this

no, i need to go t oclass

[bold mortar]

its veterans day tomorrow

[pseudo dock]

Our current writers just can't really handle having to constantly reload the game to see changes if that makes sense. They never really got to actually do large scale testing like some of the other members. And because the ones who are fine with reloading the game have other more pressing issues. It languished for a while.

[surreal ermine]

then i need to do homework

[bold mortar]

you don't need to go to class

[surreal ermine]

then take a nap

[bold mortar]

then work on yusuke

[surreal ermine]

my school doesn't take veteran's day off

college

idk

[bold mortar]

weird

mine does

[surreal ermine]

you still in high school?

[bold mortar]

no i'm about to finish university lol

[surreal ermine]

i noticed that my college doesn't take as many days off as my high school

oh LMAO

idk maybe mine's just special

[bold mortar]

get to finish university and then stay in school for another half decade after that

[jade willow]

omg i forgot tomorrow is veterans day

[surreal ermine]

are you gonna be a lawyer??

[bold mortar]

no

[surreal ermine]

PRIESTS REQUIRE THAT MUCH SCHOOL

[bold mortar]

yeah

[surreal ermine]

holy shit

[bold mortar]

gotta learn philosophy, latin, greek, theology, pastoral stuff

and thats like the basics

you can also get a graduate degree if the bishop wants you to too

[surreal ermine]

i'm not becoming a psychiatrist for the exact reason of: i don't wanna go to medical school

i could never stay in school that long

i'm getting my master's then i'm fuckin done

[jade willow]

omg wait, how old are you guys?

[surreal ermine]

i'

woops

i'm 18, but i'm ahead a year

so i'm a sophmore

in college

[jade willow]

ahhh I figured as much! oh to be 18 again

[bold mortar]

25

[jade willow]

same lol

[pseudo dock]

I never would've expected a future psychiatrist and future priest to be making p5r sumi mods.

[jade willow]

ikr!? haha

[surreal ermine]

i don't want to be a psychiatrist lol

[buoyant arch]

and an engineer

[bold mortar]

gotta be careful in my case

[jade willow]

you want to do criminal psych right?

[buoyant arch]

btw can we all agree a 4 hour exam to do 2 questions is absurd?

[bold mortar]

that i don't sin

[surreal ermine]

criminal psychologist. slight difference. psychiatrists can diagnose and prescribe meedication. psychologists cannot

[jade willow]

what exams are you taking?? 😭

[bold mortar]

so i get to avert my eyes during the beach scenes

[buoyant arch]

physics test today. Had to do so much for two questions to the point I nearly ripped the paper in two

im joking, but it was hard enough to the point I wish I was that crazy

[bold mortar]

and it's also why i'm keen to make my kasumi be more modest

[surreal ermine]

i was gonna say, STEM? lmao

[pseudo dock]

two questions are better than three

[jade willow]

wow, Im surprised youre not going for something for art?

[pseudo dock]

he hates drawing

[surreal ermine]

art isn't too sustainable of a job...

[buoyant arch]

my brother in christ, knowing you have 5 out of 10 points in the hands of at least 4 decimal places is criminal

[bold mortar]

case in point

that and the misturu outfit

[buoyant arch]

wanted to, before I fell off my bike, played formula 1 for the first time and got into cars

[surreal ermine]

i wanna be a writer, but i chose to keep that as a side job because i knew you couldn't keep that as a main socurce of income

[buoyant arch]

it's a cool hobby though

[surreal ermine]

true

[buoyant arch]

exactly what I'm having it as rn

[jade willow]

Thats good that youre going for something youre passionate about

[bold mortar]

speaking of this i need to disable this when i update the alternate bangs mod

[buoyant arch]

but it's so damn hard

[bold mortar]

i doubt everyone else wants to have the makoto leggings

[buoyant arch]

if I didn't have the ease of maths and stuff, I would not survive this

[bold mortar]

can't do math

[jade willow]

Thats why you need passion to keep going

[bold mortar]

it's too much for me

[pseudo dock]

I hate math

[buoyant arch]

i can only do math

and art, i guess

[surreal ermine]

i just feel like she's gonna be too hot...

[pseudo dock]

not true

[jade willow]

I hate math but I LOATHE biology and chemistry with all of my heart

Like at least math makes sense

[buoyant arch]

i added the art part

good enough

[pseudo dock]

yeah you better

[jade willow]

Physiology feels like theyre just making shit up to make sense

[surreal ermine]

don't most of the girls have shorts under their skirts in the summer anyway?

[buoyant arch]

as long as you don't go for it the entire way, yeah it does

but oh boy

calculus is a different beast

[pseudo dock]

not shorts but yeah they do

[bold mortar]

seems to work for makoto

[buoyant arch]

physics is getting out of hand too

[bold mortar]

in any event it's just so she can conform better to my views on modesty

[surreal ermine]

makoto just wants to die of heat i suppose. even when there's brutal heat waves in japan

[jade willow]

See yeah no physics is where you lose me again lol

To be fair the highest math required for me is statistics 💅 sooo

[surreal ermine]

idrc about what people think about modesty or whatever... i'm more concerned for them overheating

i suppose leggings aren't too bad lololol

[bold mortar]

can relate

[surreal ermine]

especially if they're thin

[bold mortar]

i wear a thin jacket even in the high summer

[buoyant arch]

not really something I enjoy doing, but yeah

[surreal ermine]

that sounds like pain

[buoyant arch]

compared to the nonsense I'm seeing, you have been blessed

[surreal ermine]

i'm a graphic tee lover, but i wear long shorts because tight shorts give me dysphoria i don't think guys wear tight shorts anyway....

[pseudo dock]

I do

[buoyant arch]

i don't

[pseudo dock]

shorts are short

[buoyant arch]

i mostly use pants bc they are comfortable

[pseudo dock]

I mean I guess they're not that short

[buoyant arch]

but I guess brazil is punishing on that end, cause the heat in here is unbearable

[surreal ermine]

once i started wearing men's pants my eyes were opened. y'all had this much pocket space the whole time??

[pseudo dock]

skill issue

[buoyant arch]

i can fit one of my water bottles in it

[pseudo dock]

Yeah it's nice

[surreal ermine]

i think i saw a guy fit a full-sized switch in his pocket once

[buoyant arch]

my girlfriend said the same. She ended up spraying some paint on her jeans, and I lent her one of mine

[pseudo dock]

thats pretty usual

[buoyant arch]

and yeah, i do use big, comfy pants

she enjoyed them

[jade willow]

I cant even fit my phone in my pocket bruh 😭

[buoyant arch]

she started using some of mine

[surreal ermine]

i used to sit on my phone in my back pocket. even if i wasn't trans i would probably end up gravitating to men's pants anyway. fuck sitting on my phone

[jade willow]

lmao that is so real

I partially got a flip phone so that way it would fit better in my pocket

[surreal ermine]

i backread since i was focused on clothes, but same, and i am very glad. even if i took a stats exam today and my brain almost exploded

[buoyant arch]

i guess there's a time for everything. I mostly focus on comfort, but I do use some uncomfortable stuff when it's needed

[buoyant arch]

i miss having numbers in math...

[jade willow]

You got this!! To be honest you probably wont need to use all that theyre teaching you in your field, just some of it

[surreal ermine]

it wasn't even hard math. it's jsut SO MUCH WORK

[surreal ermine]

stats is a lot of greek alphabet to be fair... lol

[pseudo dock]

write your own numbers in silly

[surreal ermine]

ohohohoh no stats is used a lot. it is the basis for almost everything in psychology. it's why they require it

[buoyant arch]

like bro what in the fuckery fuck is this

[surreal ermine]

no theory in psychology would have any weight without statistics

[pseudo dock]

a bad blender cube is what it is

[buoyant arch]

i sure wish it was

[surreal ermine]

EWWW

[jade willow]

well

good luck bestie 😭

[buoyant arch]

oh nvm

[surreal ermine]

i looked at the yearly subscription for the stats software psycholigsts use.

do you wanna know?

idk if you wanna know

[buoyant arch]

go ahead

[pseudo dock]

10 billion

[buoyant arch]

bro chill

imagine though

[surreal ermine]

$1,000 a year or $100 a month

[jade willow]

im sorry

[buoyant arch]

well hey, 200 bucks off if you go for the yearly one

[pseudo dock]

someone should make a better version that costs 0

[surreal ermine]

introduce the field of psycholgy to FOSS

(idk if there is an open source statistics software)

[pseudo dock]

we should airstrike whoever made this software

[surreal ermine]

IBM

i outed them

[buoyant arch]

you truly have something with killing people in the best ways possible

including morgana

[pseudo dock]

yeah we should kill atlus too

[surreal ermine]

the software is called IBM SPSS

and all it is is excel with soem extra functions

it's a rip-off

[surreal ermine]

WHY THO??

[pseudo dock]

truly the greatest minds behind the helm of phycology.

[buoyant arch]

ask him

[jade willow]

i also dont understand mona hate

[pseudo dock]

I never said to kill morgana

I think