(P5R PC) Rose & Violet - Story overhaul

[surreal ermine]

i wanted to play all the romance routes in gay joker

make a save file before hawaii/christmas/etc so i could see all of their events...

didn't come to be though

p-p-p-polythieves mod...

one can dream....

[rich tree]

I mean I dont think 3 had any flags

i know 4 and 5 do

[surreal ermine]

i made cheating on ryuji extra brutal in my mod

he's a sad boy

the girls beat you up, ryuji just cries

[magic magnet]

Oh nvm i just about to date mishima 😭

[surreal ermine]

LMAO

guilt tripping you into not being a cheater

[rich tree]

I am dating futaba this run

[surreal ermine]

same

futab romance is so wholesome

[molten finch]

Still thinking of which girl Kasumi should date, although remembering Haru and Futaba gotten 2 votes

so it's a tie there lol

[short geode]

lol. talking of poly stuff: i just remembered that a fanfic im subscribed to(with genderfluid joker, lavenza due to reasons is attending shujin while assisting joker, and pt!shiho) has the yoshizawa parents telling sumi joker and lavenza(who are a throuple at this point, which is currently just post Madarame) that they used to be in a throuple with a woman named Wakaba before her work required her to cut contact.

[surreal ermine]

holy crack fic

[short geode]

yeah. it obviously implies futaba being the half sister of the yoshizawa twins and i love it. i cant wait for the fic to get to the point that they hear wakaba mentioned for the first time in futaba's palace. its so silly

[magic magnet]

I can understand why p3 femc wasn't added to reload but not added the p5 female protagonist should be a crime

Same with p4

[surreal ermine]

everyone: make a game that combines p3p and p3 fes!
atlus: makes vanilla p3

[magic magnet]

Like give us options 😭

[surreal ermine]

they had to give into pressure to make episode aigis. they didn't even intend to at first

[short geode]

yeah, i understand the lack of p3femc. the main problem i see is some (1) of the social links

[magic magnet]

I would literally play p5x way more if there was a female protagonist route but they couldn't even do that

I have no hope for p6

[short geode]

sighs

a femc for p6 is probably unlikely, but i still hold a glimmer of hope

[molten finch]

Honestly same, it's why I didn't bother with P5X tbh

[surreal ermine]

leaks say p6 is gonna be a dual protagonist like yakuza 0

i can't remember where i found the leaks

[short geode]

i didn't bother with P5X because the download size on pc was ridiculous

[magic magnet]

P5 was supposed to have that

[surreal ermine]

really? with who?

[magic magnet]

joker and the cut female protagonist

[surreal ermine]

i think i saw somewhere that p6's protagonists were going to be twin brothers, one who does traditional art and the other that does digital

that's all i remember

take it with a grain of salt

[short geode]

also, i plan on romancing futaba in my playthrough. one of my fave ships is sumire x futaba. romancing her as kasumi close enough, right?

[surreal ermine]

lmao

[magic magnet]

And I find it funny that at some point makoto and akechi was supposed to be related XD

[surreal ermine]

i'm a half siblings futaba and akechi enjoyer

[short geode]

but consider: half-siblings goro akechi and ken amada

[rich tree]

to be honest akechi and futaba make the most sense being related

would explain how shido even knew what her mother was researching

or how he even found out about the idea of it

[surreal ermine]

so true

how many illegitamate children does shido have? take a wild guess

also futaba and akechi have the same blood type

[short geode]

akechi is basically just ken if ken hadn't meet SEES and decided to go after his bastard father rather than the man who killed his mother

[surreal ermine]

they both have AB blood, which is extremely rare

[short geode]

you know who also has AB bloodtype?

[surreal ermine]

ken amada....

[short geode]

and if we assume p5 takes place in 2016, goro and ken's birthdates are 3 weeks apart

[rich tree]

so thats 3 possible kids shido has

I don't remember any in 4 that would stand out

unless the main suspect in that game is his oldest

[short geode]

lol

[rich tree]

i mean shido is in his 50's by the time 5 rolls out

[surreal ermine]

....i mean

[rich tree]

if you really think about it a lot adds up to it being in the relm of possible

i don't remember his age though

[surreal ermine]

27 in p4, which takes place in 2010(?)

[rich tree]

so i mean yeah

[faint elk]

Tbh I think Kasumi and Futaba is alright. Athough i will say i was expecting Kasumi to be like: Score another younger sister!

[rich tree]

if shido is i think 54 in royal

[surreal ermine]

he's 53

1963

||adachi|| is 1984

so.... not likely

[short geode]

i mean, its not impossible

[rich tree]

he would have been what 21 in 84

men have kids way younger

my mom was born in 62 i was born in 81

[surreal ermine]

i feel like a baby

[rich tree]

I mean I am likely the oldest one here

maybe

[surreal ermine]

you're old enough to be my parent

[short geode]

futaba and i share our birthday(though not year) and i sometimes feel like she was created as a deliberate attack against me specifically

[surreal ermine]

💀

p5 characters are much other than me as well

well kind of

futaba isn't much older than me actually

[short geode]

if we go by p5 taking place in 2016, futaba is 4 years younger than me

[surreal ermine]

p5 characters are in their late 20's now... lol

[short geode]

yeah...

time is an illusion

[surreal ermine]

at least the p6 characters will be younger than me

[rich tree]

unless it takes place in college maybe

or not even in school

id rather it not be another high school honestly

[short geode]

i heard rumors that they are supposed to be college age

[surreal ermine]

in that case they might be around my age

[rich tree]

id take bets we still wont be getting a female protag

[surreal ermine]

nope not happening

[spare oak]

for some reason !!

[short geode]

a mod i'd love to see for p5r is someone taking the timeskip-nanako files from the beta and making her an actual character

[surreal ermine]

nanako works at 777

[magic magnet]

If we couldn't get one in a low budget mobile game then we can count out p6

[short geode]

one of my all-time favorite persona fanfics has pt!nanako by virtue of joker having moved to inaba and was staying with the dojimas at the same time as Yu during p4 and eventually leading into a massively butterfly-effected version of p5's events. so i'd love to see a playable nanako mod

[rich tree]

given that in p5x you can swap playable models to any characters you unlock maybe someone will figure out a mod to make that work outside of the den

[surreal ermine]

also forgot to say i pushed an update for male romance mod. make sure to open reloaded and update next time you launch the game

[short geode]

Oh, also, I decided to check the most recent chapters of this fic I was talking about to make sure I was caught up and I noticed that the author's notes mentions r&v and I think that's funny

[molten finch]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuKvKN2xrl0||

Dang someone doing an all female team on the ||Shido palace|| for R&V rn

I'm very impressed rn lmfao

[rich tree]

I only ever run the girls in my teams

girl power ftw

[radiant plume]

i can't bench my boy ryuji

he's the goat

[surreal ermine]

I'm Yusuke pilled

I've started using ryuji tho bc he gets charge in shido's palace

no female phys characters in p5 💔

aside from sumire

who you don't get until the final palace 💀

[granite wren]

Tbh I kinda count Haru as more phys because it's funny to build her around One-Shot Kill

[surreal ermine]

well yes she has gun

but I was referring to phys

[granite wren]

Gun = Pierce which is still a physical type really

But yeah I get it

[surreal ermine]

I'm building her psy skills rn since there's a lot of psy technicals

[granite wren]

Though usually my MC ends up using physical in the end since everyone else covers elements fine

[surreal ermine]

I like to have a persona of every element

so I'm not wasting mc's turn switching out party members

...does lead to a lot of sp drain tho

[radiant plume]

progress further into hifumi's confidant

you can do it without wasting your turn

[rich tree]

I made makoto a physical with her nukes using cheat engine

[granite wren]

It's rank 10 iirc
Togo System
I always prioritise her cuz of that

[rich tree]

just sloted in a good physical skill with 2 supports

left the rest of her kit alone I mean she is the fist of justice

[granite wren]

Super helpful to swap people in and out

[solar igloo]

Time to newgame plus for a 6th time

[random hinge]

It looks like an AI summary of multiple reviews I've seen, or just sentences of people discussing the mod. Nothing I haven't seen already, at least.
I've included some of the feedback I've been provided into the next update (when it's constructive ofc).
For the romances "escalations" : the edited romances are indeed very close to the vanilla versions and they don't escalate as quickly as they're saying. I've improved a few lines for Hifumi at least

[granite wren]

It's kind of telling the ""escalation"" is fine when it's a guy but not a girl...

[molten finch]

Yeah def gotta be the Double Standards there or something

[rancid falcon]

In this case, yeah, but I suppose to an extent, there's also the question of how progressive or heteronormative the culture would have been at the time the game takes place. (I believe P5 takes place in like 2016?) If the game takes place in a time period and setting where same-sex attraction isn't considered as socially acceptable, it stands to reason that some characters would ask a few more questions before getting into a relationship.

[raw marlin]

2016 or 2017 take your pick

[granite wren]

I guess yeah
I think I also like take a bit more umbrage with the phrasing? Like "girl talk progressing to romance" feels... a weird way to put it

A lot of Persona romances feel whirlwind to begin with, you could make the same argument a lot are "friends talk to romance"

So it's hard to see as good faith, idk

[rancid falcon]

I've got a mate who's writing an Akechi+Joker fic and said friend has done quite a bit of research on queer rights in Japan at that time period.

[rancid falcon]

True, especially since online fandoms can be full of weirdos.

[granite wren]

They've definitely gotten better with time, god knows some of P3's sudden romances felt like whiplash
But still

It's the same kind of argument with Fire Emblem having people marry after talking 3 times

[raw marlin]

It just be like that

[granite wren]

I do think some questioning is fun though, of course
Helping people realise is cute

<- has thought of a whole P4 FeMC/Rise SL script with hyperfixated precision

[raw marlin]

I mean we have Kotone and Aigis

What’s stopping Kasumi (maybe she secretly enjoyed the operation maidwatch 🤔)

[granite wren]

[molten finch]

Ahh I see, thank you for the explaination there 😲

[red panther]

Hey, Zylvs, if I put gay joker below R&V, it’d like totally going to break the game or it can work maybe? 🧐

[random hinge]

It will override my dialogues, but it shouldn't completely break your game. Raven is working on a compatibility patch

[random hinge]

Update is out. Make sure to update the Alternate models mod and Rose & Violet for the best experience.

To clarify: the overhauled 3rd semester is on 01/02, after entering this door:

[raw marlin]

“Try not to cry” for the event or we have to play the whole game again?

[granite wren]

||Oh no I hope we don't die ||

[faint elk]

Oh no..

What are you doing... what HAVE YOU CHANGED MY MAN?! I HAVE TO SEE WHAT YOU DONE IN P5R!

[woeful anvil]

Guess I’m waiting on the male romance for my new game + playthrough to see the changes

[random hinge]

It's the little surprise I mentioned a few days ago 😉

[random hinge]

Just the event

[faint elk]

https://tenor.com/view/chuko-wec-worldsendclub-worlds-end-gif-21892529

[granite wren]

||https://media.tenor.com/Zu5yyCrOJNMAAAAM/spongebob-spongebob-meme.gif||

[random hinge]

Just in case: when I say 01/02, I mean January 2nd. This is the convention in game

[faint elk]

I'm about to feel pain am i?

Is that door all you changed?

Or when i decend down to the truth will there be more pain then i ever recieved?

[random hinge]

I changed a few lines in some other events, based on the feedback I gathered. It doesn't change the story, just makes some stuff clearer

[surreal ermine]

do not use male romance mod guys... currently softlocks you because I misunderstood how bf emulation worked

wait for my next update

[faint elk]

||You changed Kasumi's dad to Kasumi! And.. oh... oh... at least.. now we know what happened to them... and why Kasumi reacted like a deer in the headlights when she saw her dad.. oh fuck you really did make me feel pain... ||

[random hinge]

||Yeah. The best part is that the bustup changes depending on which Alternate models mod you're using (Ponytail or Long Hair) and if don't use one (it uses a Sumire bustup instead). Bustups are quite time consuming to make though||

[faint elk]

||So it's dynamic of which model you use too. That's impressive. Great work on the update Zylvos. It was worth it to see the changes you did.||

[errant zenith]

Good thing I have a save for this

[faint elk]

I literally uploaded a save for 1/2 in here.

[errant zenith]

Uh… good thing I ha- 💥

[molten finch]

Kinda really like how the long hair really looks in this portrait there~

[raw marlin]

||That fucking hits hard man…and Kasumi actually talks in it too…||

[lyric willow]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-true-truth-nuke-sonic-the-hedgehog-shadow-05-gif-11791949503938989634

[molten finch]

Pretty nice to see others are also streaming and doing playthroughs of R&V too ❤️

https://www.youtube.com/live/y7Fpn0C1Pjs?si=UHCr3LUCCV3jag1C

https://youtu.be/VK8fWcUwDF0?si=MUMIzFh9oJe9VUsn

https://youtu.be/1LODT5mUx_0?si=jHUAuX3dKlaV69XB

https://youtu.be/wV0BfjPAIZ8?si=MNlQ-NmrYVfKK6Gi

[zinc swift]

yo that's me

[errant zenith]

lol

[molten finch]

Ooh heyy 👋 nice to see your also doing R&V playthrough as well too~

[twin igloo]

I literally saved right as they all entered didn't even go into the palace properly when i played yesterday

So neat

Gonna experience update imidiateley

Wont even know how it was before update xd

[random hinge]

It wasn't as good as it is now, I think

Sometimes, you just need the right idea and a little bit of time (event editing) to make it work

[random hinge]

Has someone gotten the issue where you were forced into a romance with Hifumi regardless of your answer in Rank 9? (even before the update)

[raw marlin]

Didn’t happen to me

[royal mica]

||Sumire’s dialogues with Kasumi overhauled up until 3rd semester… be specific?||

Since I’m doing the chn sub playthrough on bilibili and… well… yeah

[random hinge]

It still felt like she was taking to Joker. I've edited the dialogues more to make it feel like she's talking to her sister

[royal mica]

Oh boy…

[random hinge]

Like for instance, when she explains what she put in the bento box

[random hinge]

There's nothing new, it's the same sentence, but the way it is said is different

So it shouldn't matter too much for a sub

[coral prawn]

hi, so i've noticed that Anastasie has a bunch of question marks under the next learned skill, so i guess she has an expanded learnset? is it written down somewhere?

[royal mica]

Oh okay, phew
Guess there’s no need for me to rerecord that just for this lmao

[random hinge]

I haven't touched Arsène skillset at all. If you're using More Progressive Arsène, you'll get more skills

[coral prawn]

i'm not using any such mod
maybe it's a feature from wisteria's mod?

[random hinge]

I might as well clarify it now : I never said that the state of mod at release was definitive. I still want to improve it based on feedback and add more stuff if I get ideas. Playthrough will get outdated as time goes on

Even my trailer is outdated now. Kasumi wears her kimono to the firework festival in it

She has a yukata now

[royal mica]

I guess I made the right call to not record everything at once lmao

[random hinge]

I'm still trying to find an animation to replace Sumire's bowing, for instance. That'll probably change in future updates

[random hinge]

Well, I can understand if you're worried because it's not like this mod is going to get translated to chinese anytime soon (or ever)
However, I wouldn't try to re-record everything everytime. The dialogues before the updates were good, now they're just better, but they express the same ideas. If I add new events or scene, you can always make a separate videos with them

[twin igloo]

Nope

[random hinge]

Alright, so it may just be a bug specific to the person that reported it

[royal mica]

come to think of it, I always assumed some of the events were original ones, but there were some comments in my CHN SUB videos that thought some were actually taken from scrapped events... is that true?

[random hinge]

Yes, I've reused some unused events in some cases

[royal mica]

oh wow that's cool

[random hinge]

Those events were sometimes unfinished so I did a bit of event editing to add school furnitures, NPCs in the background, adjust animations...

Some were completely untranslated too

It's way easier to work with an existing event than to make one from scratch

[royal mica]

oh damn that's a lot of work
I'm liking this even more

[random hinge]

So even if I make a new one, I'd probably copy an existing event to serve as basis

Like, Gay Joker also reused the School festival events with the girls to make the event for the guys

[random hinge]

Yeah, the worst part is that you can't preview anything outside the game (animations, head directions, even the timing of the animations or dialogues)

So everytime, you have to start the game, load the test field, load the event with the mod menu

So yeah, it takes quite a bit of time

[royal mica]

mad respect, srsly

[random hinge]

Thanks, aha

[royal mica]

🫡

[random hinge]

Gotta say, that's how I realised why there aren't a lot of mods like that

It would be insanity to remake all the events in the game like that

[royal mica]

takes loads of time so going for a project this ambitious does sound crazy
but hey, you've done it

welp, imma going back to video sub editing

[random hinge]

Yeah, at least when the event is done, I don't have to re-edit it ever again, ahah

But there are always more ideas, more events that could be edited

Oh well, all in due time

[royal mica]

you know, I assumed it was violet's personas at first but then I remembered that it changes the arcana too so probably not that one

[lethal geode]

it doesnt change arcana

[royal mica]

no like, the separate mod violet's persona

[lethal geode]

also its this toggle

[naive aspen]

I found an issue on 8/13. After playing video games with ryuji you can invite him to the bathhouse.

[surreal ermine]

wasn't this fixed?

I only had the options to make coffee or curry

[naive aspen]

I only had those options at first too

I hanged out with him 2 times doing both and the 3rd time this showed up

[errant zenith]

Kasumi: hey wait… how’d I get here…

[rich tree]

out of date mods?

I have not had that happen since it was suppose to have been fixed

unless this update did something new

[naive aspen]

I’m on the latest version

[humble trail]

are we talking about that memory in Maruki palace?

[humble trail]

oh it bricked? okay okay

[solar igloo]

Try not to cry? And it's in the 3rd semester? Oh nyo

[molten finch]

So I'm curious on Hifumi, have y'all romanced her as Kasumi/Rose in R&V? I'm very curious to know rn 🤔

If so how is she when romancing her as Kasumi/Rose?

[humble trail]

For those who dont know what the overhaul event is, here it is. It will mess you up.

dont see if you dont want to be spoiled

lucky i have a 1/2 save file

[random hinge]

I've noticed that some models (particularly, the white variants) have a visible neck seam (where you can see the border between two meshes)

I'll update the mods to fix this

This is very annoying, to say the least. It happens because some material properties are not exported properly for some reason

At least, I won't update the mods for nothing. Big thanks to emaagination for doing those!

[humble trail]

zylvos is it possible to add in AI voice (feminie) for like anastasie awakening? changing from arsene voice

[rich tree]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[bitter walrus]

we don't need to kill anyone

[random hinge]

I don't use AI at all so I won't be making that kind of stuff myself.

Now, let's say someone makes voicelines using AI and offers me to add them to the mod

Then I'll need to ask them to prove me that the AI they used or the voicelines they used aren't stolen

Because what would happen if the rightful owner of those original voicelines comes asking me about them?

So basically, unless this is done ethically, I won't be adding AI voiceover

[red panther]

niceeeeeee, finally! 🤍

[granite wren]

Hot damn those look clean

[faint elk]

Ha ha.. that's a good one.. oh wait you aren't kidding..?

[bitter walrus]

no need to act like its the end of the world, zylvos already answered this question, you dont have to do it again

[faint elk]

Persona and AI.. they do not mix. And no this dosen't involve your favorite P3 waifu guys she's spared. considering that AI voice overs get a lot of shit.

I prefer not to even have it because the ai vo will kinda just actually seem out of place and even out of tone with the context of what's going on.

[bitter walrus]

thats just you, nobody's forcing it onto you

if you prefer not having it then just... don't? (even if there's no such thing right now)

[faint elk]

Look i don't actually mind for projects like this that are free. I really don't care. I see a lot of Cyberpunk AI voice overs and some of it actually looks maybe like i would download. Athough like i said it would be out of tone with the context of the scene.

[bitter walrus]

I get you, but like i said, zylvos already answered this question, you don't have to step in telling everyone you don't want it to happen

[faint elk]

sorry..

[bitter walrus]

its all in good faith, dont worry ☺️

[random hinge]

If I ever add "ethically approved" AI voiceover, I will make it optional and I'll expect a certain level of quality so it doesn't sound completely out of place

Then again, it's probably better handled in another mod outside of Rose & Violet, to make it easier for people to choose between ENG and JP voiceover

[royal mica]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/618629
Oh cool!

[bitter walrus]

HELL YEAH

[granite wren]

Game playable

[upper mantle]

wow awesome!

[random hinge]

Alternate models mod updated

[humble trail]

nice finally for theives den

[errant zenith]

Aww man I have to get up to my pc sadge

[humble trail]

no brown hair for kasumi yet right?

[surreal ermine]

it's fine now

[humble trail]

oh it got updated?

[surreal ermine]

ye

[errant zenith]

So go to the thieves den and beat your sister

[surreal ermine]

that sounds morbid

[faint elk]

https://tenor.com/view/woah-family-guy-peter-griffin-stop-no-more-gif-18848500

[faint elk]

Probably outside. Just so the file size for Rose and Violet dosen't go off a damn cliff.

[red panther]

bad hair day

[bitter walrus]

if it works it works

[surreal ermine]

those who use my red hair red eyes kasumi bustups i can't make variations for the new white outift finishers because idk how to edit the files associated with it (BCD and EPL)

it's why i didn't do it for the og one either

i suppose i can shove them into the zip files tho. hold on

again i didn't edit anything. she still has brown hair in these

[molten finch]

Is it the bust up she had from R&V alternate model one?

[surreal ermine]

it includes the finishers from alternate models

everything else in there are my edits. aside from the SPD panels i just yoinked from aternate models

[molten finch]

Ohh well I wanna see what it looks like when I get on my PC tonight~

[errant zenith]

it looked nice got a lucky revolution

[half dagger]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/414880

Is it possible for any talented modders to add a white mask for kasumis winter shujin outfit similar to what this mod does ? I think it’d look really nice !

[random hinge]

I tested a few of those event and i thought it wasn't possible because there's only two files. I'll check again for the next update

[errant zenith]

wait hol up she got nail polish for one of the art! eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[surreal ermine]

now i can't stop thinking about her having nail polish on the work desk

[errant zenith]

nail polish is a small detail but a small detail i love

[random hinge]

Something like that? 😏

[half dagger]

That looks incredible! Thank you so much for getting back so quickly !

Exactly like that 🙂

[errant zenith]

impressive

[random hinge]

I'll have to see if I update the models mod again so soon. Maybe I can throw a few additional models in the update if there are still some I haven't done in Wisteria's mod

At least, I'll make a version with the white and gold mask, to go alongside the white variants

[errant zenith]

what other models are there

[unkempt hearth]

Is it possible to have a long haired rin outfit version? 🙏

[random hinge]

I'll see what I can do. I hope the hair don't clip too much with the mask (and the ears)

[random hinge]

I'll have to check. There's the concept art track outfit (I helped MyTamagos with it iirc) for instance

[errant zenith]

ooo

[lethal geode]

@random hinge do flowscript emulator files merge ok when used with your mod

ok i got impatient

heres the flowscript from timeless twin outings made to be compatible with r&v

i havent tested it so it might blow up your game

ok well it doesnt seem to even work anyway

[surreal ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HBe7-EDsWw here's the ryuji route for my male romance mod for those who didn't have the chance to play it or don't wanna romance ryuji

oh welp... looks like there was an error in the rendering of some kind. i'll fix it tomorrow.

[molten finch]

Another pretty nice Box Art I found in Reddit there 👀

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/OkBuddyPersona/comments/1n0s2a3/alright_lets_say_persona_5_royal_had_a_femc/

[surreal ermine]

that's the main one

[molten finch]

💯🙌

Wonder if there's an HD ver for the box art of R&V

🤔

[errant zenith]

What da holy real

[lethal geode]

think you forgot to edit this costume @random hinge

actually no i dont think its included?

not sure why i have two separate entries in my inventory then

[errant zenith]

Now we pursuing our true self with this

[lethal geode]

LET ME OUTTTTTTT

why did atlus specifically give this guy a bustup LMFAOOOOO

[errant zenith]

Cause he’s so important

Same with Mika…

Wait why does Mika have a Bust up

[lethal geode]

at least she's an SL character

she's also in mementos mission

[errant zenith]

Oh wow

[random hinge]

Using the timeless twin outings mod will only override the overworld dialogues with Caroline & Justine / ||Levenza|| , in front of the Velvet Room. It's not that big of a deal since you can just disable it after doing the outing.
To make this file compatible, it'd probably be easier to move it to Femulator completely on my part

[random hinge]

Oh yeah, I think I'm missing a few costumes from your addon mod

[lethal geode]

yeah, it would require timeless twins to use femulator as well

[random hinge]

Oh, they don't

[lethal geode]

for some reason no

[random hinge]

Well, I can always re-add my edits to their CORP011 then

And make it a configure option

[errant zenith]

Hmmmm

[lethal geode]

i tried that and it just didnt work for some reason, namely i tried just injecting your msg in

anyways i'll probably just ask them to move it to femulator

i kasumified the two morty models from addon mod, you'll need permission from mortyyy to include them in your mod

although i would probably optimize them a bit before adding them

i threw these together pretty quickly so there's like 8312838378 duplicate unneeded textures

also gekkoukan09

[errant zenith]

Any metaphor skin?

[random hinge]

Thanks! My first models aren't really optimized anyway (with a few duplicate textures anyway), but I have a script now so it should be easy

@limpid rapids Are you okay with me adding "Kasumified" version of your models here (ArenaUltimax, etc.) to my Alternate Models mods?
Also, someone is asking me to edit the Rin costume with the long hair. Are you okay with this too?

[fathom wind]

you guys talking about talking about art got me inspired to make this kasumi edit

both p5 protagonists or something lol

[molten finch]

Ooh that's really good 👀 love it~

[molten finch]

Would be cool if you can edit this one there 👀

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/1/13/Kasumi_normal_with_mask.png/revision/latest?cb=20191209235420

[random hinge]

That's the thumbnail from my GB page (without "Story overhaul" and my name for some reason). It's probably higher quality there

[bitter walrus]

Post says "lets say persona 5 had a femc"

Kinda weird to me how they tanked your name from it

Makes it look like it was their effort

[fathom wind]

really wish they had these higher quality but here you go

[bitter walrus]

Thats just a desaturated version

[limpid rapids]

yeah sure

just credit me ofc for the original models

[humble trail]

I look forward to this release

[random hinge]

Thanks! I'll give you credit of course

[humble trail]

Zylvos this is not yet compat with RV yet right?

[raw marlin]

Technically there’s 3

[bitter walrus]

literally there's one

[random hinge]

Not yet. I made the model only yesterday, but it's not in the update

Well, I don't know if the mod uses CF, but you can already use it for the other characters. It just won't have a costume for Kasumi

[humble trail]

the tycoon mod also has no Kasumi edit yet? if i am not wrong

yeah the mod author just replied he is working on the brunette version

[molten finch]

Ahh okay, they did a good job on making it HQ there lol

[molten finch]

Omg tyty, she looks so good 🥳🥳

[molten finch]

And oh yeah I got the official pic from the wiki, as I guess it can explain why it wasn't high quality there 😅

[fathom wind]

yeah I was looking online too to see if I could find any

[errant zenith]

Now that’s pleasant

[molten finch]

Ooh yeah wonder if there's any other high quality art of the official pic there

I may try to find em lol

[molten finch]

Huh someone made an upscaled ver of the offical art one

https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/ewj4yy/only_two_months_until_royal_to_celebrate_i_made/#lightbox

[fluid river]

Hope this is the right place for me to put this. I noticed this weird text in the story synopsis last night and wanted to report it.

[random hinge]

Ouch, good catch. This is just a bad case of me mixing up BMD editing and BF editing with PersonaEditor. Thanks, I'll fix it for the next update

[lethal geode]

the one on the wiki is pretty high quality

[rich tree]

blah just found out we have to wait till december for Kasumi to show up in P5X

ill be saving up in November then

[surreal ermine]

I think overall the wiki will have the highest quality images. however they're all webp... lol

[raw marlin]

Indeed

[lethal geode]

[rich tree]

I don't open my steam enough to change anything

just changed my desktop icon to match the mod

[lethal geode]

wikia just displays them as webp, it's easy to get the original format

[surreal ermine]

really?

[lethal geode]

add &format=original to the end of a wikia direct image url

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/0/00/P5R_Kasumi_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20240330015955&format=original

[surreal ermine]

huh

til

[molten finch]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[errant zenith]

Tru

[fathom wind]

thanks! yeah that's def way sharper than the one I used originally

[molten finch]

Ooh does that mean your gonna do the edit with the one that's high quality sharper there? 👀

[errant zenith]

Now I’m excited to see that

[fathom wind]

sure, yeah gets me some more practice with color matching

[molten finch]

Can't wait to see whenever it's finished~

[random hinge]

I had to make some adjustment to the mask position and the ears, but I think it looks alright

[surreal ermine]

she's so cute

[upper mantle]

legend

[rich tree]

wonder if someone will make a mod for Chords PT outfit

i think the hat would be cute on kasumi

[granite wren]

I'd love to see one of Tsubasa's outfit from Tokyo Mirage Sessions cuz I think she'd look cute in pink

I'd pay for it even though I'd need to check the models even have the textures

[rich tree]

For me ayakas city outfit and her chord outfit

Would be my two wants

[errant zenith]

no way someone else remembers that game brings a tear to my eye

[rich tree]

I do agree it would be cute on her

Been years since I played Tokyo mirage

[errant zenith]

was a fun game

[rich tree]

Though I barely remember it my memory is crap

[spare oak]

love her hat

love her in general shes so cool

[gaunt juniper]

I was wondering if it is possible to get a clear image of Kasumi's AOA and AOA Finisher artwork that could be used for editing? I'm pretty foreign to modding, but I wanted to look into touching up the art to be a little more accurate to her in-game model. Mostly just adding the heart shaped window on her outfit.

[molten finch]

I like to see this as well too 👀👍

[lethal geode]

iirc it's just a mesh colored in via materials

I think there's a way to just make it show a texture though

[gaunt juniper]

Yeah I had a feeling that's what was done with the model. Definitely is quick and easy.

Ok I figure out where the AOA portrait is. I see the portrait already has the heart shape taken care of.

[molten finch]

Can't wait to see the result once it's finished

More Kasumi/Rose content is always good to have ❤️

[gaunt juniper]

I'm still looking for wherever the AOA Finisher art is.

I think I found it, and if I have, I'm realizing why this thing is a pain to edit.

I do not know how to open this file. lmao

[molten finch]

Hopefully someone can help ya out 🙏

[surreal ermine]

I had the same problem

I have no clue how to open a bcd or epl

[gaunt juniper]

Why can't they all just be easy peasy pngs. 🥲

[surreal ermine]

bc game textures

[gaunt juniper]

Yeah I understand. Only meant it as a joke. At least I can open dds files.

[errant zenith]

hmm this is a stretch asking but you think p5 nightmare is too much for rose and violet?

[rich tree]

if you mean the difficulty I don't see why it wouldn't diffilcuty is based on hard you want the game

or im not understanding the question

[errant zenith]

Its a difficulty mod that changes the gameplay

But not the story I believe

[surreal ermine]

it's a gameplay mod so it shouldn't matter

[errant zenith]

noice

[rich tree]

wasn't even aware of it lol

then again I do find the game easy on all of the available modes

[faint elk]

Very cuuuuuute.

[rich tree]

@random hinge noticed something after you finish the calling card for the 7th palace when you leave the palace and are outside in front of the building. Kasumi has her school uniform on but back at leblanc shes in her undercover outfit for the end of november

[random hinge]

I'm not sure I understand. You mean ||Sae|| or ||Shido||'s palace?
I haven't touched the model's number chosen by the game around those, so it should still be like vanilla

There's one moment, at the start of ||Shido||'s palace, where Joker goes in his Shujin uniform (which isn't smart, even the other characters remarks on that). I wanted to change it, but there's a field part in front of the palace and I don't know how to change the model used in that field

[random hinge]

I can send it to you. It's a GFS model so it must be edited in Blender, but there's a small thing to when exporting that Croissant Guard explained to me

I'll send it to you when I'm home later today

[granite wren]

And it's crazy as all the models on the forum are up for use with credit to the ripper (Eiuvee) despite the main page not being updated since 2015

Sadly though I can't find any sources for the P5X models

But if anyone wants to take the TMS models on literally everyone is here even (Yashiro Yusuke would be drippy)

https://archive.vg-resource.com/thread-31505.html

[lusty cape]

Protag 5 + Kasumi as Triple Baka

[rich tree]

@random hinge shidos outside the diet building after the palace goes boom. When ryuji gets slapped

[fathom wind]

here it is, I ended up getting to fix some mistakes I made with the first one

[random hinge]

Humm, curious. Do you have my config option enabled ? Or CBT option ?

[rich tree]

currently CBT i mean I do have a save before the palace opens but would take me a bit to re run the palace to grab a screenshot

[random hinge]

I haven't checked the CBT event, but it's possible the protag model was changed tp the winter uniform in that event alone

I'll take a look when I get home

[rich tree]

well I do have a save before the palace so if need be I will re run it I know his palace well enough that its quick

[granite wren]

||Shido's heart changed so quick he was there to say "NOT COOL PHANTOM THIEVES" for slapping Ryuji||

[gaunt juniper]

I see, I suppose that makes sense with all of the moving parts. I guess it’s time to learn Blender. I appreciate that.

[molten finch]

Ooh nice, now she looks really good with Sharper High Quality 🥳🥳
Love to see it~~

[hollow owl]

Hey hear me out, the hug anim from sumires rank 10 scene. Why not have it in the scene when sumire discovers Kasumis alive

Just an idea

[molten finch]

And now side by side

Male MC & FeMC lol

[random hinge]

Yeah, I've been considering reusing the hug in the rank 10. It's a bit of event editing to make it work with the current event (because her rank 10 romance and rank 10 platonic are a bit different).
The biggest issue is that they both use the same hug animation... which doesn't work because they clip heavily into one another, ahah
I might need to reuse another hug animation for Kasumi. Maybe Ann's or Futaba's

[hollow owl]

Awesome

[errant zenith]

Noice

[random hinge]

Here are the finishers, in GFS format

To get started with Blender and P5R models, there's this tutorial by mudkip
https://youtu.be/6f8BiGTvCWY?si=7iZ0WkeOYwSYjyCT

And this is Croissant Guard tutorial on how to export the AOA finisher after editing it.
https://discordapp.com/channels/746211612981198989/1351304235320348683/1377653754014203944

[surreal ermine]

i'm gonna use this as well

[random hinge]

Oh, and personally, I use Blender 3.6.8

Somehow, that's the only version that works for me with the required addons

[surreal ermine]

hopefully the person who was doing color swapped kasumi is still working on it... they kinda vanished

@vernal sinew ?

[hollow owl]

Even with tutorials, blender still stumps me

[random hinge]

Also, I think the link for GFDStudio in mudkip's video is a bit outdated. Here's a more recent release:
https://github.com/DeathChaos25/GFD-Studio/releases/tag/0.10.2

[surreal ermine]

models scary

[random hinge]

Don't be afraid

[hollow owl]

[surreal ermine]

WAAA

[molten finch]

Yeaah I was wondering about this too tbh 🤔

Oh wow

https://youtu.be/4qN28yFqdQo?si=KHfw1BLjF3-psQp6

[molten finch]

Awaits for the next P5R R&V Playthrough, as I'll be waiting, whenever you're ready~ @eager wedge 🙏❤️

[eager wedge]

one more hour

I need to finish Futaba's waiting game. But. Ff14

[gaunt juniper]

Awesome, thanks! I’ll get started with learning all of that once I get home from work.

[lethal geode]

https://gamebanana.com/sounds/81915

[molten finch]

Ooh yeah Futaba is next after Kaneshiro there lol

[woeful anvil]

Biblically accurate Kasumi

[molten finch]

Now out, as can't wait to watch it~

Plus no commentary playthroughs are nice to watch as well too ❤️

[molten finch]

I wonder what an official Anastasie Persona and official Briar Rose Persona would look like if Atlus were to make it a real thing... 🤔

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/f/f8/Profile_-_Anastasia_Tremaine.png/revision/latest?cb=20250614091237

https://www.lydiacosplay.com/cdn/shop/files/briarrose_1200x1200.jpg?v=1692321162

As seeing Kasumi's Main Persona be Anastasie and her Secondary Persona being Briar Rose rn

[errant zenith]

Wait is that really the reference?

[molten finch]

I mean, her Persona is Anastasie and Briar Rose in R&V

[granite wren]

Yeah
Anastasia was the "ugly sister" of Cinderella who rebelled against Lady Tremaine later and found love in the sequels, and became friends with Cinderella

[errant zenith]

Oh I gotta see kasumi’s version of Ella

[molten finch]

And does fit the Rebel Persona as I can see why there lol

[molten finch]

Upgraded ver of Anastasie like how Cendrillion is an upgraded third tier of Ella pretty much!

[hollow owl]

I have a head cannon that Anastasie has guns for heels, opposite to cendrillions sharp knife heels

😂

[molten finch]

Now I kinda want to watch Sleeping Beauty Movie tonight as seeing Kasumi having Briar Rose as her Secondary Persona in R&V 👀

[rapid mural]

That is already happening. hey @pseudo dock Are your ears burning?

[pseudo dock]

My ears are fine

[rapid mural]

How is Nanako looking?

[errant zenith]

Eh?

[surreal ermine]

ears...?

[pseudo dock]

we talked about it in the announcement

she's coming at a later date

[rapid mural]

Yata!

[rapid mural]

(archaic joke to mean someone is talking about you)

[pseudo dock]

She's going to be in the beta femc redux mod eventually.

[gaunt juniper]

Okay, I think I have got everything exported properly. And I'm learning first hand why this was left unedited. I have a few questions. But uhh... I suppose a good question to start with is why is it all the way up there?

Or unedited isn't the right word as the colors were already changed.

[random hinge]

It's in a "pose" and it must be exported like that (that's what the little tutorial of Croissant Guard is helping with).
If you here and select "Rest Position", she'll be bigger

If you export it without Croissant Guard's process, it'll export in the Rest Position, which obviously doesn't work IG

[lethal geode]

LMFAOOOO

im so glad u not only kept this but made it the same gender for rose too

[bitter walrus]

😭

[molten finch]

Even helps that she can romance the girls too 🙌

[random hinge]

😏

[mental timber]

Wish you could say that in the Hawaii event...

[gaunt juniper]

I see. I’ll give that I try and see what I can learn, however my lack of knowledge may get the better of me with editing it.

[rich tree]

also the I'm a mother during operation maid watch lol

[humble trail]

I originally thought that Kasumi codename would be Mist since that is her name in english akin to Violet which is Sumire name in English, but rose suit Kasumi much better since it is a part of the poem

[lean sky]

Points for truthfulness

[random hinge]

No worries. I have very basic knowledge of blender (enough to make the alternate models mod) and I'm not so sure myself how to edit them. I'll probably give it a try at some point

[coral prawn]

hi, not sure if this was reported but

[surreal ermine]

[n] my behated

[errant zenith]

What da

[surreal ermine]

you have to manually insert a line break

the game doesn't do it for you lol

[random hinge]

Yeah, seems like I forgot to test that line. Thanks, will be fixed in the next update

[coral prawn]

you're welcome

[rich tree]

stupid question/request not even that serious but is pink nail polish a possability

I can sware i saw sae with purple nail polish

[lethal geode]

it is but you would have to edit like all the models and put that texture in

[errant zenith]

Oh she did

[rich tree]

so yeah to much of a headache

[surreal ermine]

grammar error

shinya rank 10

[raw marlin]

Where?

[radiant plume]

"Does revenge makes you happy?"

[random hinge]

Added, thanks

[vernal field]

Does anyone else crash after beating Kaneshiro and the cutscenes with the siu director

[random hinge]

Hum, this has never been reported before. Do you have the "Invalid Shader Crash Workaround" option enabled in CBT?

[vernal field]

Time to check

Yes

[random hinge]

Can you share your load order?

I don't think it's because I moved the scheduler to BF emulation, since Poblin didn't have this issue when I looked at their stream

[random hinge]

Uh

You're still playing with the beta

I'm surprised that Reloaded didn't prompt you to update, but still

[vernal field]

See the mods have been updating, just the names didn't change

Like when I go to the page for them it says already downloaded

Some of the r&v updated when I opened it today

[random hinge]

But the file that says which version you have should have updated as well

[vernal field]

time to uninstall and re-install everything

[random hinge]

Let's check something first

In the Rose & Violet mod folder

Do you have files in this folder

FEmulator\BF\SCHEDULER

[vernal field]

nope

[random hinge]

You're sure? No files in
Mods\p5r__rose__violet_-_story_overhaul1_0_0_d738b\FEmulator\BF\SCHEDULER

My r&v folder has a weird name

It should have a bunch of .flow files

[vernal field]

there is no scheduler in the FEmulator/BF folder

[random hinge]

Alright, so that what I thought

You should have files in here because that's my latest update

[vernal field]

uninstall reinstall got i

it

[random hinge]

Yeah

Also, do the same for Wisteria's mod

You can also remove the Cheat sheets and the weapon & equipements patch

They're config options in Rose & Violet now

Also

Reinstall the voice patch too

You don't need the CBT edition anymore

[vernal field]

Thanks for the assist, won't be able to tell if it's fixed until my computer stops having a seizure

[surreal ermine]

classic reloaded 2 moment

[errant zenith]

Wouldn’t be a mod manager without problems

[molten finch]

Y'know I'm curious @random hinge since Kasumi/Rose's Starter Persona being Anastasie and Secondary Persona being Briar Rose the Sleeping Beauty

If Satanael wasn't Kasumi/Rose's Third Persona, what Persona would you give her? 🤔

Lol I love the Anastasie and Briar Rose Persona choices you gave for her there btw

[rich tree]

Satanael was replaced with Ella

which I don't remember off the top of my head which lore Ella is from

either cinderella or sleep beauty

[granite wren]

cinderElla

Same as the other 3rd tiers

[rich tree]

it also translates as Goddess in modern hebrew

i never noticed that with all the 3rd tier persona's

....

and ive been playing the game for awhile

[granite wren]

Like Carmen becomes Celestine which was the name of Carmen in one of the plays

Captain "William" Kidd

[rich tree]

doesn't jokers throw that off? i can't remember if satanael has any times to arsiene

[granite wren]

Gorokichi was Goemon's birth name

[granite wren]

Raoul

[rich tree]

ah right

[granite wren]

Satanael isn't really YOUR Persona it's the people's

Raoul was a what-if created of a 3rd tier Arsene

[rich tree]

wonder if there going to add 2nd and 3rd tier persona's to p5x

or if ann will always have just Carmen

[rich tree]

fair point

[granite wren]

I feel like doing 3rd tier evolutions would be a fun way to buff old units

[rich tree]

thats my thinking

[granite wren]

Maybe a cosmetic option to then choose which you prefer

[rich tree]

not that Ann really needs more help

shes easily one of the strongest standard picks

and scales with easy to get awareness

[red inlet]

Isn't Celestine the name of the actress who played Carmin?

[rich tree]

the others need more help since they fall off faster

[granite wren]

Yeah might've been actually

[rich tree]

Kinda fitting Ella translates to goddess

[molten finch]

Ahh I see, that is true

[errant zenith]

Watch kasumi’s Ella have roses

[molten finch]

The theme of her Codename

[errant zenith]

[random hinge]

Yeah, Satanael is story related persona and Raoul/Briar is the "3rd awakening" persona. I broke the rule with Briar where that 3rd awakening persona is a variation of the 1rst one

I'd need some kind of twist on Anastasie. Maybe with the name "Tremaine" since it's their family name. I haven't really give it much thought tbh

[surreal ermine]

the third personas are their first persona's true self
i.e robin hood was created as an idealized version of hereward, who was actually a crazy drug addict psychopath lmao

[random hinge]

I went with Briar/Vanadis because it looked cool in black. I couldn't find a cool recolor for Ella

[surreal ermine]

so not necessarily a "variation" more like their true self

i agree she looks cool in black

[random hinge]

Variation is probably not the right word, yeah

True self or "reaffirmation" of their belief

[errant zenith]

Mm

[random hinge]

I also went with Briar because I think it fits well with her special sleep skill

Which I added to her backstory

[surreal ermine]

the fact that you can't fuse raoul by fusing arsene and satanael together is also criminal

also the fact he's a dlc persona smh

[random hinge]

Well, given that Satanel can only be obtained in NG+, that would prevent you from getting Raoul as well

[surreal ermine]

oh wait i actually didn't know that

i thought he was the ultimate fool persona...

[errant zenith]

Nah that would make too much sense

[surreal ermine]

i'm not sure what anatasie's true self would have been anyway

[random hinge]

The NG+ exclusive stuff:

I didn't know about Paradise Lost, haha

Well, makes sense given that you can only get it from Satanael

[surreal ermine]

i learned about paradise lost in literature that's all i know lmao

oh it's a weapon

joker's ultimate weapon

[granite wren]

||NG+ is the only place where you can have Black Mask do the silly little AoA dance Prince does instead of his Morbius impression||

[surreal ermine]

are all the weapons named after literature?

i mean it would fit. all of the first personas are from classic literature

[surreal ermine]

omg omg

[errant zenith]

Mmhm

[surreal ermine]

seeing him do the stupid dance in that outfit sounds amazing

[granite wren]

Yeah equip Dark Suit during Nijima's on NG+ and he hits the shiddy still

[surreal ermine]

i've never played ng+ because i usually like to play from scratch

but now i might

[errant zenith]

And also the fact he sounds semi sane

[surreal ermine]

idk about that even in his prince outfit he says some crazy shit

[granite wren]

Unused Navi lines moment

[surreal ermine]

i wonder under what circumastances princekechi's navi lines would've been used

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUcr1RKE_CE for those who don't know here

[errant zenith]

I would love to hear his nav lines on ryuji

[surreal ermine]

i did always think those lines sounded like he's talking outside of the battle

like you're runnign around the palace and he reminds you to heal

it's a nice hint he has navi abilities i suppose

[granite wren]

Dude is trying his damndest to not have an aneurysm

[surreal ermine]

like he can't resist the urge to point out what he's seeing with loki lol

[granite wren]

Honestly it would have been a funny NG+ bonus too if they didn't want to spoil

[faint elk]

Oh shit you get his Dark Suit as a NG+ Item? I thought that was a mod.. well a mod probably added it as well but i didn't know..

[granite wren]

IDK why they didn't

Yeah just remember his animations only go feral when he's in the Brainwashing Dome

[surreal ermine]

i don't think it sounds too spoilery. he acts the same way he does in battle

i would request a mod to reimplement these but it sounds like a pain

a lot of flowscript shenanagins

[granite wren]

Absolutely I can just see the devs thinking so somehow though

The A-Chis are truly the worst kept secret

[surreal ermine]

ok this is definitely supposed to have been him talking outside of battle. similar to how makoto only talks about getting technicals and weaknesses i think this would've been another "smart person helps with strategy" thing

except he's just yelling at you the whole time because he hates being in a team

[molten finch]

So it looks like it could be something like this

Arsene-> Anastasie

Raoul-> Briar Rose though I guess Briar Rose can be also the alternative ver of Sumire's Vanadis

Satanael-> Tremaine

🤔

[surreal ermine]

well the 2nd evolution is supposed to be a mythological trickster

briar falls into the theme of literature tricksters

[molten finch]

Ohh yeah that's true there o:

[surreal ermine]

i would probably choose persephone, queen of the underworld

[molten finch]

Would it match Anastasie or Satanael there? 🤔

[surreal ermine]

kinda similar to satanael
satanael is lucifer as he was falling to hell before he became satan

[errant zenith]

Went from ginormous god to like trickman

[molten finch]

Ohh yeah Persephone can also work

And btw what do you think of Maleficent as Kasumi/Rose's Satanael there?

[surreal ermine]

maleficent is also literature

[errant zenith]

More fairy tale

[surreal ermine]

same idea

[molten finch]

Just like Sumire lolol

[surreal ermine]

you know what i mean

[molten finch]

Ah right, true lol

[surreal ermine]

well the grim brothers made most fairytales into literature

i had no idea my mythology class i just took as an extra humanties credit would come in handy lmao

[molten finch]

Ahaha that is true lol

[surreal ermine]

i can't find much information on original anatasie. fuck you disney

i have no idea what her "true self" would be

[errant zenith]

Guess we gotta pursue it

[surreal ermine]

cendrillon was a character from an adaptation of cinderella in 1697

so it makes sense why her 3rd awakening is cinderella

but anatasie is from the original fairy tale

i'm not sure there was a version of anatasie in the cendrillon play

[molten finch]

Hmm yeah 🤔

[surreal ermine]

if there was, i would have done something like this:
1st awakening: version of anatasie from the cendrillon play
2nd awakening: persephone (ideally, satanael is a bit too hard to remove)
3rd: anatasie

[molten finch]

Wonder what Penelope is based off on there 🤔

[surreal ermine]

sorry wrong character lmao

[molten finch]

Ohh lol

[surreal ermine]

persephone was tricked into becoming hades' wife (in some versions. in others she did it willingly) she's originally the godess of spring, so in her absence spring never came. her mother, demeter, grieves so much nothing ever grows, since she's the godess of fertility. a deal is made that she comes home once a year, thus making spring as we know it. eventually she becomes queen of the underworld and embraces herself as such, becoming a goddess of death as well.

[molten finch]

That make sense there 👀

[surreal ermine]

hades is also sometimes seen as the originater of satan

so... you know

joker and kasumi

[molten finch]

That is true there and Satanael does mean Demon King is one

Now I wonder what does Zyvlos thinks about Persephone as Kasumi's secondary awakening there

Lol

[surreal ermine]

like zylvos said, it'd be very hard to remove satanael from the story

especially in the final scene with giant satanael

a really good 3d animator would have to fuck around with that

[molten finch]

Yeeah that is true there

[molten finch]

Oh yeah also the 3rd Awakening name can be Tremaine(Anastasie's Last Name there too) from what Zyvlos suggested it

[surreal ermine]

oooo

yeah that might be good

[molten finch]

Yee as for a good differences~

Though I may miss Briar Rose as Kasumi's Secondary Persona Awakening

Persephone is fitting for

Kasumi's Secondary Persona lol

[surreal ermine]

if we want it to match more with persona 5's themes that's what would have to be done, but i like briar as well

[molten finch]

Yeah that is very true to match Persona 5's Theme and same as gotta love Briar Rose~

https://tenor.com/view/princess-aurora-aurora-sleeping-beauty-briar-rose-gesture-gif-15060245

[molten finch]

Oh speaking of 3rd Awakening of Anastasie, I think her 3rd awakening can be based off on the Yellow Dress one, given that Anastasie is used for Rebel theme in the second sequel

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/d/db/Cinderella2-disneyscreencaps.com-7715.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210620122010

Just a thought

[surreal ermine]

that's disney

not always reflects the original story

[molten finch]

Ohh right

[hollow owl]

oooo

[molten finch]

Forgot about that one

[hollow owl]

we talking about potential personas for kasumi?

[molten finch]

Yup lol

[surreal ermine]

ye

[hollow owl]

I also thought of Persephone being her ultimate

but like you said it would be hard to implement it into the story

[molten finch]

That is true there lol

[rich tree]

the Disney movies are the tame versions if you want the real versions go read the real grimms tales

thats the real lore

that and anything greek and or viking

and some ancient egypt for good measure

[molten finch]

I guess that's why Atlus uses the real version of lore there

[rich tree]

if you want to be accurate yes

[molten finch]

Yeaah

[hollow owl]

I also read a little bit of Gnosticism, the stories where Yaldobath and Sataneal came from

[rich tree]

even a little bit of hp lovecraft

is mixed in there

if you really wanted to learn about each persona your looking at more then a few different stories and or history to go through

the real grimms fairy tales are a hell of a lot darker then anything in a disney movie

[molten finch]

Ah yeah, very true on that

[molten finch]

I wonder that's where Atlus got that inspiration from there

[rich tree]

given everything else i would say yes

someone at atlus loves his lore

[hollow owl]

especially in strikers

[rich tree]

and does a ton of research on it

[molten finch]

That really explains why there lol

[hollow owl]

with Sophia being a wisdom figure and fight the

demiurge

[rich tree]

if i remember right the whole idea of the velvet room is based on some very old lore

can't really recall where but pretty much everything persona has some tie to greek egypt vikings grims etc

and stuff even older then that

even each wing of momentos has a unique name translated from lore

[surreal ermine]

all smt demons come from some kind of myth or fairy tale usually

[rich tree]

best source for that type of thing imo

[molten finch]

Agreed there 💯

[surreal ermine]

specifically in persona they're supposed to be part of the collective unconsious/sea of souls

jungian psychology stuff

in smt it's more just... they're there lol

[rich tree]

wouldn't be suprised to find momentos is some kind of version of Dantes inferno

[surreal ermine]

no it's just jungian psychology

mementos is the exact replica of the human collective unconcious... kind of

the sea of souls throughout the persona series was supposed to be that

considering yaldabaoth made mementos i wouldn't be surprised if he just took a chunk of the sea of souls and made it something else

[rich tree]

so is the tower and the fog world/tv world just another exension

[surreal ermine]

i think it would make sense because when you talk to the demons they're like "that's right... i was a part of the sea of souls"

[rich tree]

its been years since i played 1 and 2

so i barely remember any of those

[surreal ermine]

probably

but the shadows in there aren't smt demons

so i actually don't think so

i think in all games up to persona 5 shadows were different from personas

idk. persona is so complicated

[rich tree]

right

you can into one hell of a rabbit hole if you let the lore do it

[surreal ermine]

well persona takes place after smt if... and in smt if it's an au of smt where the apocalypse just didn't happen

so the demons just remain in the sea of souls instead of causing the apocalypse

soooo all of persona is just an smt au :)

[alpine lynx]

@random hinge can you help me cause today when I start the game and in the first loading. It crashes the game.

[random hinge]

Persephone is a cool idea, yeah
The other code name I was considering was "Libra", to lean into the joker = trump card = tips the scales. Funnily enough, I think Persephone is also "Libera" in latin (or roman mythology)

[random hinge]

I'm going to sleep very soon, but can you share your load order?

So at least, others can help you too if I can't figure it out quickly

[alpine lynx]

Give me a second cause it takes time in Asus ROG ally x

@random hinge I have send it to you.

[random hinge]

Hummm, I don't see anything particularly wrong. Did you update mods today? Or add another mod?

[alpine lynx]

Yes. It just updated Ryo framework and kasumi over joker voice mod.

[molten finch]

Ooh interesting thought on the codename there

[random hinge]

It's Ryo

I just updated it and it crashes my game, lol

[alpine lynx]

Should I disable it?

[random hinge]

You won't be able to, since it's a dependency for some mods

[alpine lynx]

Wow. I guess I will wait unit it's fixed it's issue.

[random hinge]

I've reported the issue

[alpine lynx]

Thank you, the goat of Rose and Violet story maker.

[random hinge]

You can also downgrade to 2.10.0

https://github.com/RyoTune/Ryo/releases/tag/2.10.0

Just delete the Ryo mod folder you have (v2.11.0) and reinstall v2.10.0

[alpine lynx]

Thanks.

It's still crashing after downgrading to V2.10.0

[random hinge]

I really need to go to sleep. It's showing 2.10.0 in your load order?

[alpine lynx]

Yes

[random hinge]

And it still crashes when starting the game?

[alpine lynx]

When game opens and crashes before the phantom thieves logo loading appear.

[random hinge]

Okay, I don't really know how it works with your device, but maybe try:

• Clearing the cache by rebooting it?

• Disabling mods (like half of it), then a few more, etc. until it no longer crashes, so you can figure out which mod is causing the crash

Then re-enable stuff

Oh, apparently, Ryo has found a fix

[alpine lynx]

Before go to sleep, tell me what it was and then you can sleep after that

[random hinge]

They're going to push an update for Ryo

It was a fatal error of some kind, so they have to update the mod

[alpine lynx]

Alright, thanks and have a good sleep.

[random hinge]

Yep, their latest update fixed it for me at least

https://github.com/RyoTune/Ryo/releases/tag/2.11.1

Try updating to this version. If it still doesn't work, try disabling mods until it works like I said above

[alpine lynx]

Ok

It's finally fixed, thanks.

[molten finch]

Another Rose & Violet PC Art Source I also found today~

https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/1ncuo79/i_cleaned_up_the_wallpaper_on_the_rose_violet_mod/

[bitter walrus]

Thats just the mod preview without the logo

[faint elk]

Should i upload that to SteamGrid?

Okay no someone will have to stretch that sucker out.

[molten finch]

I hope someone does upload that to SteamGrid after they stretch it out

🙏

[rapid mural]

I was futzing around online while trying to get myself out of a hole in my fanfic. Found Izanagi Izanami tales.

(not any p4 spoilers just the original stuff)

Love all the discussion on Persephone. I have always found her a fascinating Goddess. I also think she may be a kinder take on the original Izanami lore which is both tragic and horrifying.

This is just the orignal mythology I giggled maniacally when I read it because I love reading mythology with similarities.

I use the moon heavily in everything I do so knowing that Izanagi is the Father of Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu(the sun goddess) is also kakkui

TLFR Persephone and Izanami are badasses.

[molten finch]

Persephone is pretty nice Secondary Persona for Kasumi/Rose to have and does match the Persona 5 themes after all lol

[rapid mural]

If you think about it, the second half of P5 the protagonist is almost like Persephone in a way.

Banished to a Hell(hiding from the world) their only allies branded as demons, and it takes a mysterious bargain to rescue them.(vanilla P5 prior to 3rd semester)

I love Japanese myth, but Greek Myth always has that ability to be applied to plays and dramas somehow.

[molten finch]

Ooh interesting, that's a good observation there 👀

[errant zenith]

truth very true with the truth

[molten finch]

Now kinda want to see this in action in R&V if someone uploads em on YouTube 👀

https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/1lkd70d/from_former_gymnast_to_god_killer_quite_the_step/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/1llczht/even_if_it_costs_her_own_life_in_reality_shell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[mossy marlin]

So I just got to Third Semester. Spoilerin JUST IN CASE

||Instead of Kasumi dying. She instead survives but now comes across Masayoshi Shido and the woman, and that's what lead to her arrest. Because of Sumire wanting to run away?||

[rich tree]

yes

[mossy marlin]

||Though Kasumi WOULD'VE died like in Vanilla Timeline. But because of Maruki, she didn't but because his power isn't complete, they both still suffered through her getting arrested?||

[mossy marlin]

Welp... There's my Answer...

[molten finch]

||Kasumi piggyback Sumire like a Big Sister today~||

[mossy marlin]

Super cute

||And so the Animated Movie, shows what WOULD'VE happened normally.||

That was what confused me.

[errant zenith]

sweet fams

[molten finch]

||Ooh yeah, I like to see that animated for R&V there|| 🙏

[spare oak]

||I mean... It explains why it is the way it is||

[molten finch]

So I have a question @random hinge

Can Sumire wear this White PT outfit but without the Heart shape window there or no?

https://images.gamebanana.com/img/ss/mods/687c06ddd6e68.jpg

I think her wearing a White and Gold PT color outfit would really constrast well with not only differences from Kasumi/Rose's Black and Silver PT Outfit Heart Shape Window

but also goes nicely with her Main Persona being Cendrillon's Blue and White Colors and Ella's Colors

[mossy marlin]

Especially with covering her thighs. Have like just baggy/flowing pants or something like that.

[spare oak]

Sumire wearing the white would go so well with ella

[lusty cape]

And make sumire's gloves blue instead of red

[molten finch]

So true~

[molten finch]

Ooh yeah making her gloves be Blue like Cendrillon's Blue would be so perfect for Sumire's White & Gold PT outfit~

[molten finch]

Not sure if I should respond to the crossed out text there 🤔

[mossy marlin]

Go on ahead

I am Serious about it

I LOATHE Sumire/Kasumi's Phantom Suit having her thighs exposed

[molten finch]

Oh okay and yeah

A baggy/flowing pants could work for her White & Gold PT Color with Blue Gloves there lol

[lusty cape]

Ohh I like to see flowing pants with Kasumi's on it too

[mossy marlin]

Kind of like Japanese Hakama pants.

Just anything to be much more similar to Joker's suit.

[lethal geode]

Why

It's called Black Leotard for a reason

I think she's like the only PT that really shows skin in her pt outfit anyway

[radiant plume]

leotards actually show more skin usually
her design is more of a trimmed bodysuit than anything lol

[lethal geode]

• the leggings and jacket

fits her thematically and makes more sense than f!byleth for example wearing stockings

well technically lace tights

[radiant plume]

if they did want to call it a leotard then her gymnast fit would be her pt fit also

[lethal geode]

is that even a costume for her in vanilla

I'm too used to custom bonus tweaks

[radiant plume]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i don't use costumes that much

[surreal ermine]

people complaining about sumire's legs always bothered me BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING LEOTARD

why are you viewing it like that? i'ts a gymnast leotard

it's supposed to optimize flexibility

[molten finch]

Yeaah honestly this and they're Gymnastics for a reason

[rich tree]

me sitting over here wondering whats going on I normally prefer the loungeware or rins outfit

[rich tree]

never seen someone up in arms about a small amount of exposed skin

[clear acorn]

Women are not allowed to expose their skin don't you know

[spare oak]

right. completely illegal

[rich tree]

right guess he never played tomb raider

[clear acorn]

unless you are overweight then it's completely fine to show all the skin you want

[rich tree]

or any gacha games

[clear acorn]

because that's how that works now

[rich tree]

show him genshin or better yet nikke >.>

[radiant plume]

don't start attacking people guys
the topic has passed

[gaunt juniper]

Not sure if this one has been spotted, but this is worded strangely in Sumire's Rank 4.

I don't think the "s" needs to be at the end of "advice".

[molten finch]

Iconic All-Out-Attack pose of Kasumi/Rose I very much enjoy~ 🙌

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689306501982191809/1414123313936203888/BKSK_P_BC0001.jpg?ex=68c5acb7&is=68c45b37&hm=0fefe1b17e59e4bde9112cd5b4f0a896ac37e2c05368de0fb2ea851a49cb349b

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057766283661287616/1412293311854678047/BKSK_P_BC0008.jpg?ex=68c644a4&is=68c4f324&hm=22d8a5f948f3e2bc9842bce0a30501e619aafba7279dbeb21fce32ac41e7252d

[surreal ermine]

huh. I actually did a pretty good job with that edit

[molten finch]

It looks really good there~

[surreal ermine]

although I kinda fucked up the heart shape

[molten finch]

Ripp

[surreal ermine]

idk why I didn't just recolor the og one

[molten finch]

Ooh yeah recoloring the OG would've saved ya so much time there

[surreal ermine]

idk it was the first edit I did. after a while I just started recoloring instead of redrawing the eyes

[molten finch]

Very true there 😲

[surreal ermine]

the white leotard ones are just recolors

[molten finch]

Ohh fair point there

[random hinge]

I think this could be done by Wisteria's mod. Their mod already give Rose's PT outfit as a costume to Sumire, so it could also add the white variants

[random hinge]

I wasn't sure if advice should be plural or singular here. Thanks, I'll change it to singular if that sounds better

[radiant plume]

advice should be singular yeah

[hollow owl]

So you know how Ren always wears glasses to make himself less intimidating

I like to believe that Kasumi putting her hair in braids like in the long hair version so that she would be less noticable

[bitter walrus]

no he's just shortsighted

[molten finch]

Ooh nice, glad Sumire can wear the White & Gold PT while having her hair down as well too 🙌

[versed cloud]

is there a way of having long hair ann AND kasumi in the party panel?

[molten finch]

And oh another question, does Wisteria's mods have Sumire/Violet's PT outfit be White & Gold Colors to be used in R&V or no?

Just wondering to know!

[solar igloo]

Hmm I'm wondering if this outfit has a long hair version somewhere out there.

If anyone asks where this is, it was before the release of the mod. It was called "Testing" and this was in the old Addon Mod

I honestly loved the outfit of combining Rose's and S.E.E.S outfit not to mention the scabbard on the hips

[errant zenith]

Hol up I gotta see how this looks in my favorite uniform the yasogami high

[random hinge]

The Pure White / Red & White outfits exist in Wisteria's addon mod, but they're not currently available as costumes for Sumire

[random hinge]

Huh, I don't think so. I've never considered that model as a real costume because it's called "testing". Also, it has two hair ribbons

[rich tree]

my god thats to much power dude... shes crazy strong with just one giving her two ribbons is almost a war crime

[solar igloo]

That's the best part.

[errant zenith]

She got a ribbon for everything

[molten finch]

Ahh alright, thank you for the explaination there

[lethal geode]

It's a bonus costume I added

[lethal geode]

Anyways that costume is still in my addon collection mod

It's called Blender Testing

I could probably throw together a long hair version of it if you want

By long hair do you mean sumire hair or the alt long hair

[solar igloo]

For real?

[solar igloo]

The Alt long hair

[lethal geode]

put this in your kasumi as protag costumes folder

it'll be in the next update for addon collection as well

whoops the bow is using the wrong texture

[solar igloo]

[solar igloo]

Absolutely stunning

[errant zenith]

I like it

[placid quest]

Is it possible to add a version with the Sumire long hair as well so we have two options?

[lethal geode]

yes, I'll do it at some point later

[naive aspen]

oh waow that looks so good

[mossy marlin]

Amazing. That has got to come out

[naive aspen]

-# I Would love to see a music player added to it (totally not bias)

[mossy marlin]

Only thing I'd say is, for her to have the Mask and Gloves of her Phantom Suit. But that's prob just me

But that little hat, soo cute

Oh wait, that's Ryuji behind her

[errant zenith]

lol

[spare oak]

LOL

[radiant plume]

nah joker's glasses are legit just for show lmao

he can see fine

that's why his pt mask has no vision assistance

[surreal ermine]

does futaba have glasses under her goggles

what about sumire? even in vanilla royal after yknow she goes back to wearing glasses

[radiant plume]

futaba's persona is an entire ass ufo that can see enemies from miles away i think she's covered

[granite wren]

The Metaverse fixes Ryuji's leg injury while he's in it

[radiant plume]

it doesn't

he still limps

[surreal ermine]

...no?

[granite wren]

Huh I swear he mentioned it did

?

[rich tree]

no it doesn't

the ark proves as much

[granite wren]

Okay okay jeez sorry

[rich tree]

he punched his leg to get it moving

[surreal ermine]

kamoshida's palace when he trips and falls

[granite wren]

One no was enough
But thank you for correcting me

[surreal ermine]

...but what about sumire

lmao

[granite wren]

I dunno where I had that assumption come from it's what I thought sorted Sumire's vision out

[surreal ermine]

she's just blind in the metaverse

[rich tree]

i think sumire not wearing her glasses wasn't mentioned?

[granite wren]

Nevermind I'll uh go

[rich tree]

I cant remember vanilla royal now

to be honest

[surreal ermine]

she puts contacts in before going into the metaverse

[radiant plume]

idk she doesn't wear glasses through most of the game while she's masquerading as kasumi so i think she just pretends to not be blind

[rich tree]

that could explain her poor performance

[bitter walrus]

so does kamoshida's palace lol