Persona 4 Golden | Clean Balance Tweaks | Persona Modding | Page 5

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 1:42 AM

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😭

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:42 AM

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p4r might unironically reboot this server

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 1:42 AM

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1 more year pls

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sorry meovv pls understand lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:43 AM

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i was on the same boat with fes hd lol

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if it's UE4.27 you'll get why im not worried

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:44 AM

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hey question, is it okay if I release my variation of the balancing as an addon/something else? I wouldn't want to take away any credit from your work

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:44 AM

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its so much more fun to mod

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 1:44 AM

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i'll need to learn how to mod it ig

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ive been thinking about it i just am so behind on it

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:44 AM

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esp with fog you'll have a better time

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that im sure of

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ive been fucking around with fog in reload

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:45 AM

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true gorge hey question, is it okay if I release my variation of the balancing as an addon/...

no clue how dependency shit works for something like this

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:45 AM

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on that note... how does

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tbl merging work?

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like if I have a persona.tbl file and it loads after yours

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will it override ALL of it, or just what is different from vanilla?

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 1:46 AM

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supple oak ive been fucking around with fog in reload

catch me up whenever p4r is real

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:46 AM

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it tries to override what's different but sometimes it just gets fucked

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:46 AM

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is there a way to prevent merging and straight up replace the files?

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other than manually deleting the mod files

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:48 AM

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dusky thicket catch me up whenever p4r is real

its simple just a lot of float searching in hex

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 1:48 AM

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goatsuke seems mostly fine, power slash and tempest slash might need buffed a bit depending on what they are currently but otherwise the rest is good. virus wave may also not be a big enough jump from mind slice since they have very similar stats.

chie seems mostly fine, goes a long while before upgrading her single-target phys though so maybe adjust that a lil bit. something in-between black spot and rainy death could be nice, maybe mighty swing due to its high crit?

yukiko's a lot better than base game now, she seems pretty fine for the whole game now tbh. maybe make diarama a bit earlier though, yukari and mitsuru got it around 25 in p3 and she's getting it at 33 for some reason. maybe swap it with fire break? fire amp should also be before salvation at like 72 or something imo cus she gets it weirdly late.

kanji seems fine. fatal end kinda sux but that's a base game thing. rest of his kit is good even if i still object to including vicious strike at all.

teddie's basically base game but that's more than fine. would suggest replacing fast heal with insta-heal since the former kinda sucks, b4 is pretty late and insta-heal isn't even that useful in a game where party members can cure ailments for free with no cost from SL. Mustard Bomb also seems pretty pointless still but you'd need to think on what to replace with.

naoto's been discussed enough to where i think all of our thoughts on her are out already. deathbound's still way too weak compared to megidola so i'd check about maybe either buffing that or replacing it with something else, but the rest is good i'd say.

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:48 AM

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like, revert?

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 1:49 AM

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yea to base stats

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:49 AM

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fr

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huh

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 1:49 AM

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imo they don't need nerfed at all but like its up to you

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idk how you were doing it specifically

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:49 AM

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maybe megidola is a bit overtuned

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how does deathbound stack up with other phys skills

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 1:50 AM

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nah megidola is fine

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its phys that's bad

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:50 AM

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whoa

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torrent shot and kill rush are insane if i revert

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dark

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 1:50 AM

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kanji the goat

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yea multi-hit phys mogs single hit in p4 by a lot

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with a couple exceptions

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:50 AM

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damn

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180 vs 400

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:50 AM

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that's why i toned it down

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lol

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 1:50 AM

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i'd say its single hit that needs buffed tho

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rather than multi hit needing nerfed

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cus magic mogs single hit phys

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:51 AM

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megidola does 50% more dmg than deathbound

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and it pierces resistances

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 1:51 AM

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untrue

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it does not pierce resistance.

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if you know, you are aware.

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:51 AM

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yeah i know but you get what i mean

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I found that these values stick pretty close to phys without going insane

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 1:52 AM

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idk if i feel like these two reverts should be full reverts

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:52 AM

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but then again, phys is stronger in your mod

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whereas i just nerfed phys late game instead of buffing everything else

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btw shio thanks for the feedback the other day I nerfed morning star and black viper a bit

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 1:53 AM

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worldly jasper goatsuke seems mostly fine, power slash and tempest slash might need buffed a bi...

i cant make skill changes so i will leave that to meovv

as for the rest

chie: I can't give her another skill, there's nothing to give her that's unique that would be a worthwhile skill
yukiko: swapped fire amp and salvation, moved amp to 72
teddie: switched fast heal to insta heal. I think I'll leave Mustard Bomb be, it's gonna be useless either way I think
naoto: I don't think I will make any further changes to her skillset

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:55 AM

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This is the current clean table

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 1:56 AM

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dusky thicket i cant make skill changes so i will leave that to meovv as for the rest - chie:...

I think that yosuke has too much of a gap between power slash and tempest slash

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23 levels

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that's 2 whole dungeons (Mitsuo+Late-Lab)

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:00 AM

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funny that both Yosuke and Chie are lacking single target at that point

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:01 AM

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it's less of an issue for chie because her skills are stronger and better spread out

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:01 AM

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mighty swing is the only real upgrade there that fits

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:01 AM

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they go zigzag

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 2:01 AM

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am i done

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demi_woke

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im done

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:01 AM

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Mine for reference

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:01 AM

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I have one more thing to figure out

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 2:02 AM

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ok descriptions and party is all thats left i think

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:02 AM

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dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:02 AM

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I think you're done but if you want to give feedback here

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:03 AM

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my tempest slash is variable 3-5 for reference instead of 1-2 and gigantic fist has an average of 280 (tempest slash 288)

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Yosuke goes from power slash (34) to Garula + Wind Boost (44) to Garudyne + Wind Boost (53) to Tempest Slash (57)

Chie goes from Black Spot (38) to Rainy Death (64)

would you rather have mighty swing go to Chie or Yosuke

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:08 AM

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dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:08 AM

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rip description

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:08 AM

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expand it

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:08 AM

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you cant

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you have to make the window larger

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but this is the default R2 window size

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:09 AM

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yeah fair lol

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but you can drag it horizontally

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:09 AM

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dusky thicket but this is the default R2 window size

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true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:10 AM

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well then i think it's something the reload devs should implement (save window size lol)

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:10 AM

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I am also still against having magic progression from agi -> agilao -> ... while also removing the phys progression from cleave -> god's hand

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:10 AM

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not really but xd

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:10 AM

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i think you need both or none

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i will still fight about that one lol

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:10 AM

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true gorge well then i think it's something the reload devs should implement (save window s...

that's not rly the point

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the description should fit in a stock r2 window

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:12 AM

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It's hard to be concise

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when you have done so much that you want to explain everything you did

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i mean it is a description, so ig you could have a readme inside the mod folder with the long version of the description

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:13 AM

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the mod page would also have text lol

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:13 AM

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and just say: Improved skill progression... blah blah blah in the generic (condensed) desc

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:14 AM

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dusky thicket the mod page would also have text lol

that too (I've hit the count when making workshop mods a lot of times)

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But brawler, what are your thoughts on mighty swing,

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I think chie already has enough physical skills

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if anything it's yosuke who needs it

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you can move rainy death back a bit i guess, I've always thought it was kind of a waste since you get god's hand not long after

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:16 AM

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personally I am leaning Chie should get it

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:17 AM

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remember that she has apt pupil

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:17 AM

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it is because she is phys focused that she should get it

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:17 AM

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so regardless of what she gets, she will always have the higher crit

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:17 AM

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yosuke can lean back on magic

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chie cannot

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Chie has the crits though.
I'm thinking that yosuke is akihiko (higher base dmg) and chie is junpei (crits for days)

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and kanji is the physical dmg beast

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:18 AM

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yosuke is yosuke and chie is chie, i dont want to compare them to other party members from different games

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the reality is, they both could use a skill there but there's only one skill available, so I think chie has a higher need for it

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:19 AM

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did chie struggle in vanilla?

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as much as yosuke did at least

sleek cloud Mar 25, 2025, 2:20 AM

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nah not at all

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:21 AM

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yosuke however has skills to make up for it now

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:21 AM

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oh hey I've seen you before in gb, i think

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you gotta remember that chie's skills are naturally better

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than whatever yosuke gets

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:22 AM

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dusky thicket I am also still against having magic progression from agi -> agilao -> ... while...

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i think it overtunes magic really hard

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especially cus magic also has boost into amp

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:22 AM

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actually yeah, that is an issue

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if we could limit the number of upgrades

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:23 AM

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cant really

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:23 AM

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like agi can only mutate into agilao, but not agidyne

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but if you start with agilao, then it can upgrade

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:23 AM

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you can do that but also why would you

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you already have bufula before you will realistically see a magician card

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:23 AM

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you'd need duplicate skills in that case

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:23 AM

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yeah it's dumb forget i said anything

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zig zag baby

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:23 AM

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i think single into aoe was more than fine

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:24 AM

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ohh right

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you do have virus wave

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in there

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:24 AM

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i think i'll always be an aoe phys yosuke truther just because like kanji is already the single target guy

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you don't need two single target guys

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:25 AM

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worldly jasper i think it overtunes magic really hard

it's really just the opposite issue lol

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hence it should be both or none and i would prefer none

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:25 AM

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kind of a shit phys/magic hybrid if you don't have aoe for both

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:25 AM

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kanji has a low crit rate compared to everyone else tho

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:25 AM

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dusky thicket hence it should be both or none and i would prefer none

i think phys needs some kind of magician progression but probs not like god hand tier shit

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:26 AM

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and yosuke has the second best crit rate, i thought that was pretty good

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:26 AM

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yosuke has 35 lu at level 99 bro

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chie has like 60 and also has apt pupil

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:26 AM

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he doesn't need luck

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he is all skill 💪

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:26 AM

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the skill in question is power slash for 40 levels

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:26 AM

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not at all

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low accuracy, okay crit

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:27 AM

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awful damage

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:27 AM

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it's like black spot but worse in every way but dmg (very slightly)

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I still think mighty swing works best on yosuke to keep him like he has always been

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and avoid akihiko syndrome

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whatever we decide on doing, it can't be worse than being stuck with power slash for 35 levels

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:34 AM

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dusky thicket it is because she is phys focused that she should get it

i still lean chie for this reason

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:35 AM

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she gets blade of fury in between no?

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That sets her apart from everyone else. She has high crit single target and good multi-target phys.

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:35 AM

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yosuke gets wind boost garula, virus wave, garudyne

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:35 AM

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cz then we end up with mid yosuke again

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:35 AM

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the gap between black spot and rainy death is too large to really ignore like i can with yosuke

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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lower rainy death's level

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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@worldly jasper what do you think

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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true gorge lower rainy death's level

would be broken

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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whats up

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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mighty swing on yosuke or chie

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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i mean

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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dusky thicket the gap between black spot and rainy death is too large to really ignore like i ...

It's 6 levels apart from god's hand

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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to fill gaps in their skillset

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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maybe it's too strong

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:36 AM

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okay okay

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show me the kits first lol

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im not transcient

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:37 AM

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worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:37 AM

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i mean

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:37 AM

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mighty swing would probably fall around mid 40s if i had to guess

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:37 AM

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i think just like lower rainy death a little and give goatsuke the skill since chie at least has multi-target phys to carry her

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oh actually

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:38 AM

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isnt rainy death overtuned if its too low

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:38 AM

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lower tempest slash on goatsuke a bit too

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well not super low

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i mean like

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64 to 60

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or 59 even

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swap with hyper countah

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:38 AM

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This is what I am proposing

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:39 AM

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ill do rainy death 60

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:39 AM

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rainy death at 55 is kinda crazy lol

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its like 420 base or some shit

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:40 AM

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oh... i forgot

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yeah you guys have it at 420

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what is tempest slash for comparison?

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the average

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:40 AM

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what did they set tempest slash base to

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if its 160 then the average is 360

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with much lower crit

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:40 AM

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okay something is wrong

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:41 AM

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i think rainy death might be a bit overtuned lol

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:41 AM

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another skill for meovv to change lmao

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:41 AM

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proposed change: lower rainy death to like 300~ base and lower its level to mid 50s

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:41 AM

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I knew something was fishy

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i mean

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it was always kind of on the weak side

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195 in base

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 2:41 AM

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well yea p4 phys in general is weak

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:41 AM

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the thing it had going for it was that it had really good crit rate

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:42 AM

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worldly jasper well yea p4 phys in general is weak

gigantic fist was 1 tier lower and had 330* base power vs 195

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 2:50 AM

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true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:51 AM

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Rainy death

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more like primal force jr/

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:54 AM

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worldly jasper lower tempest slash on goatsuke a bit too

can we just buff tempest slash in damage instead

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(this is a meovv question)

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 2:54 AM

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huh

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:54 AM

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seems tempest slash is a little bit underpowered rn

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 2:55 AM

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so TS and RD?

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:55 AM

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naoto gets it at 55 by default but i removed that from her. yosuke gets it at 57 rn. i could move it down too tho

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yeah

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 2:55 AM

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isnt rainy death at 300 like

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disastrously low

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:56 AM

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also mighty swing does less damage than power slash in exchange for crit lol so maybe that's not a good mid tier skill for yosuke

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:57 AM

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supple oak isnt rainy death at 300 like

i dont think you need to nerf it down that far just tone it down a bit to be appropriate for a lvl 60 skill on chie

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375-400? idk

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:57 AM

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We buffed power slash before

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but i think we left mighty swing unchanged

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:58 AM

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oh true yeah

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:58 AM

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I have it as 150 and 190 respectively

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pretty close, but the latter has better crit and accuracy

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:58 AM

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up mighty swing's base power to be appropriate in low to mid lvl 40s

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 2:58 AM

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so its like going from bash to sonic punch

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 2:58 AM

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that's all i've got rn

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 2:59 AM

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using party member level as a guideline is a little weird for figuring out exactly how much to change it by

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:00 AM

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fair enough but if mighty swing is rank 5 and power slash is rank 4 idt the former should be weaker base bc it has higher crit

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:00 AM

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I'd say use the tier system

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to figure out more or less where skills should land

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not the best, but it's pretty accurate

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:01 AM

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i think rainy death is fine based on the tier system, could be slightly reduced in damage if needed but only by a tiny bit

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:01 AM

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a bit less than gigantic fist

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to compensate for the higher crit rate

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and so that it's not just a straight upgrade

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if gigantic fist is 330 then make it 300, or something like that

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or 350 if you just want it to be straight up better

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up to you tbh, I can't really give a good estimation since the balancing is different

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:05 AM

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so i still think mighty swing needs buffed

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rainy death is probably fine where it is

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:06 AM

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so MS is the only one that needs changing

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:06 AM

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i believe so

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probably buff base power

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:06 AM

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aight

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outranks tempest slash, but i think it's just an ECS outlier anyway?

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underdamages it anyway, the crit inflated the score

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:08 AM

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supple oak outranks tempest slash, but i think it's just an ECS outlier anyway?

tempest slash is 6 though?

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:08 AM

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i know

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MS is rank 5

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i resorted

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:08 AM

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ic ic

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:09 AM

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agneyastra actually can outdamage primal lmfao

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but of course chie cant reach 99st

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:09 AM

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that is funny

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i feel like thats fine tbh

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but i wouldnt blame you if you buffed primal too

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:10 AM

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if this was reload it would be perfect

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it would mean you could stack chie to maximize

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with incense

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:11 AM

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maybe its fine since kanji has higher st then

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i think kanji should be stronger than chie soooo

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bc single target

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:12 AM

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yeah even if agneyastra's ceiling is higher chie can't actually benefit from it

harsh canyon Mar 25, 2025, 3:12 AM

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yep the single target guy
minus the inexplicable atom smasher lol

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:12 AM

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bike skill so

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time to edit the skills

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 3:22 AM

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supple oak agneyastra actually can outdamage primal lmfao

isn't it always slightly behind

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even at 3 hits its at 1080

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:25 AM

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no it gets slightly ahead

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120 -> 130

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 3:25 AM

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oh its 130 now?

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:25 AM

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mhm

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 3:25 AM

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average of 520 is pretty good

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:32 AM

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dusky thicket time to edit the skills

pain_dead

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:33 AM

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worldly jasper especially cus magic also has boost into amp

last thing is idk if you saw this but

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:33 AM

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i'm not changing it

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:34 AM

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well, it will probably create the opposite problem then but

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:34 AM

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99.9% of people don't farm magicians

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and when they do, an aoe pisses them off

harsh canyon Mar 25, 2025, 3:35 AM

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change: magician now does nothing for balance purposes

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 3:40 AM

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supple oak and when they do, an aoe pisses them off

i don't rly think that's true

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i can't rly think of a scenario where aoe isn't an upgrade

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:41 AM

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i'm going off of the vast majority of opinions and "thank you for changing it" i've seen

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i also personally prefer it this way, so I'm not really willing to change it

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 3:41 AM

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i think phys magician probs needs buffed a bit then to compete

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and magic def shouldn't have boost into amp if its getting agilao into agidhain

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:42 AM

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supple oak and when they do, an aoe pisses them off

+1

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 3:42 AM

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especially cus its like

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:42 AM

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but im okay either way

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 3:42 AM

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phys magician strat requires like actual grind

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magic would require getting 1 lucky magician card

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not really comparable

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:43 AM

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im pretty sure i ran into like a total of 2 magicians in 300 hours of playtime

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 3:43 AM

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i really doubt that

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:43 AM

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and i grinded

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:43 AM

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im very confused at the SL skill table

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 3:43 AM

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its like rare but not THAT uncommon

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:43 AM

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dusky thicket im very confused at the SL skill table

wdym

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:43 AM

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why is trafuri here

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and why does it skip teddie SL2

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:44 AM

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story

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does teddie even have a rank 2

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pharos skips ranks too

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:44 AM

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what table is that? been trying to find it

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:44 AM

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yeah he should have auto-raku by default

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:44 AM

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maybe its in a diff entry somewhere

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deeper down

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:45 AM

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traesto is a lvl skill apparently

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lvl 36

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:45 AM

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is the template working right

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:46 AM

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no errors showed up when i loaded it

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and later entries dont have teddie a tall

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im so confused

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:47 AM

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thats big weird

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ive modded this before

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:47 AM

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do i have an old template or something?

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:47 AM

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maybe

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:47 AM

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but no errors popped up...

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:47 AM

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whats the tbl

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:47 AM

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not a tbl

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cmmRankUpSkillTable.dat

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:48 AM

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ye that

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HUH

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is it not in init free

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ah

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init

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:49 AM

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init

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yeah ive got no ideas lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:51 AM

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well my table straight up dies

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and i know why

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🥴

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i'll fix it

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:52 AM

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i can finish the rest of what i have and then send it over to you if you want to try to fix teddie

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:52 AM

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i wouldnt

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chances are you're editing the wrong SLs even

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i love generating random ass enums and mixing it with shit from persona 5

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:53 AM

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ah i see, thanks!

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:53 AM

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everything here is right except teddie SL0/2

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:53 AM

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supple oak i love generating random ass enums and mixing it with shit from persona 5

how do you get 010 to automatically apply the template

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:53 AM

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show me your template rq

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:53 AM

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every time i boot it up it just applies the p5r ones T-T

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:53 AM

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📎 p4g_rankup.bt

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:53 AM

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like the code

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sure

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ok thats even funnier

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we have the same

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give me your p4g enums

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:54 AM

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📎 p4g_enums.bt

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:54 AM

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alternatively

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ok

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:54 AM

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too fast ig lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:54 AM

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curse of SKA

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:54 AM

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oof

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:55 AM

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no problem

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:55 AM

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do you have an updated one?

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:55 AM

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do you guys need anything?

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I have the most up to date ones thanks to arkadia

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:55 AM

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dusky thicket do you have an updated one?

no i have to manually fix his mess every time i touch a new p4g table

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:55 AM

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i have them next to me

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:55 AM

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true gorge I have the most up to date ones thanks to arkadia

those are the bad ones

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KEKW

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:55 AM

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oh fr?

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:56 AM

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well uhhhh what should i do with the rest of my edits

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should I hold off orrrr

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:56 AM

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they work for the persona table at the very least

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:56 AM

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let me see if i can use the rankup table in the other repo i have

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:56 AM

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true gorge they work for the persona table at the very least

yesnt

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:56 AM

#

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Hmmm

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makes you wonder

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:56 AM

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way ahead of you

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:56 AM

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yeah it would be nice if phys split was available for p4

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oh well

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:56 AM

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hits/crit and power is already based on the phys split

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in this mod

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was one of the first things i did

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:57 AM

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it makes sense why they just have 3 skills that do the same thing

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:57 AM

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same for the magician lineages

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:57 AM

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Strike does high dmg low crit/acc

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Slash does med dmg/high crit

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Pierce does whatever it wants lol

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 3:58 AM

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everything but teddie

📎 cmmRankUpSkillTable.dat

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but if you need to redo it, oh well

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:58 AM

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supple oak same for the magician lineages

Yeah I saw those, though there were a couple that I was mixed on, i might have to look at it again to give feedback

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:59 AM

#

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cheers bro

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naothumbsup

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maaan

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 3:59 AM

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there is nothing for god's hand no?

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 3:59 AM

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on purpose

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:00 AM

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damn rip my izanagi

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:00 AM

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on purpose

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:00 AM

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I see what shio was saying lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:00 AM

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i am actually going to get mad

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010 is fucking this up

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i see whats wrong

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i need to edit the enum template

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which will break every other fucking template

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ig i can make this temporary anyway

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done

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:01 AM

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so im guessing my file wont work huh

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:01 AM

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i dont know let me see

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no you're right rank 2 is missing

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sup with that

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oh

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there should be 60 entries though

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:02 AM

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yea idk. i pulled it from my p4g file dump

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the base file

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:03 AM

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nvm

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entry 60 is tiny soul tomato

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ted is just missing his rank 2

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everything else is there

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idk

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:05 AM

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yeah you are right, the template is botched

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well, back to the old reliable hex editor and calculator

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do these files use little endian notation like in p3r?

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:06 AM

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seems so

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well the bike ride template seems to work?

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:06 AM

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it does

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:07 AM

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wait why does teddie have traesto set to rank 0

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:07 AM

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but yeah rip the SL one for teddie

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:07 AM

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maybe the skills are given by flowscript

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lol

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:07 AM

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oh god

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how would that even work

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:07 AM

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oh shoot maybe

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:07 AM

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true gorge

double fangs is a pierce skill lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:07 AM

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dusky thicket how would that even work

p5 has that function its possible that p4 did too

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:08 AM

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yeah

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though it is ultra sketchy in there

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something along the lines of personaskilladd(ID, SkillID, something)

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:09 AM

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its the most straightforward in there what are you talking abt

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:09 AM

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i mean that things like the rank up events

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for rank 10 skills

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the skills are not referenced by their IDs on amicitia

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but they are set by bitflags

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or something weird, I honestly just remember fayanade and I trying to implement bike-like skills in p5 through this method

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eg adding skills as if they were getting the evade passives

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but it made no sense

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:12 AM

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actually

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:12 AM

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you're overcomplicating it

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:12 AM

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random silly thought

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:12 AM

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skills could just be added with no issue in p5

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🤔

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:12 AM

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kanji B5 is arms master

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what if it was divine grace to give you the option to not use an equip for it

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:13 AM

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wait

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:13 AM

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lean into the healing bit yk

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:13 AM

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teddie ONLY HAS skills at rank 4 onwards

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dark

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https://aqiu384.github.io/megaten-fusion-tool/p4g/personas/Kintoki-Douji/fissions

Kintoki-Douji Fission Recipes - Persona 4 Golden Fusion Calculator

Kintoki-Douji = No fusions found!

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:13 AM

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he gets auto-raku at S2 according to that though?

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:14 AM

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he gets his social link rank 2 when he joins the party

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:14 AM

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ah

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which means its innate

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lol

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:14 AM

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ahh

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:14 AM

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i'd bet auto raku is in the persona tbl

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as an innate

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Naonod

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:14 AM

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let me check

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youtube time

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:14 AM

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time to fix my dogshit enums again

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yeah it doesnt even open the skill screen

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:16 AM

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you're right it is innate

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lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:16 AM

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PepeLaugh

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trolled!

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all is good then

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:17 AM

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rly did get trolled there lol

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yeah

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the heck

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my template no longer runs on that file?

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:19 AM

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xdding

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whats the error

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:19 AM

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??

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:19 AM

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yeah that

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ok so

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open the enums one

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you'll notice that both the rankup and the enums table have a partymember struct

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but the rankup one is a short

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and the enum one is a byte

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that's a fuckup

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delete the one in enums, save the template

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run the template

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do your changes

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then revert it

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:20 AM

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😭

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:20 AM

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why? because the templates are dogshit

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:20 AM

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supple oak skills could just be added with no issue in p5

through scripting? we wanted them to be added like evade passives, where you can choose if you want to forget the skill and such

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:20 AM

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alternatively, actually

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i have a better idea

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maaan

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no need to do that to the enums

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:21 AM

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dusky thicket what if it was divine grace to give you the option to not use an equip for it

any thoughts on this btw lol

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kanji b5 divine grace instead of arms master

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:21 AM

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just give him mediarahan at that point

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you save 1 skill slot

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:21 AM

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//------------------------------------------------
//--- 010 Editor v11.0.1 Binary Template
//
// File:
// Authors: MeovvCAT (Fixed the dogshit)
// Version:
// Purpose:
// Category:
// File Mask:
// ID Bytes:
// History:
//------------------------------------------------
#include "p4g_enums.bt"

LittleEndian();

enum<ushort> fixDogshitTemplate
{
Yosuke = 2,
Chie = 3,
Yukiko = 4,
Rise = 5,
Kanji = 6,
Naoto = 7,
Teddie = 8
};

typedef struct
{
fixDogshitTemplate Member;
ushort Rank;
BattleSkill SkillToLearn;
BattleSkill SkillToReplace;
} TEntry;

typedef struct
{
uint Size;
uint Entries;
TEntry Entry[Entries * 6];
} TRankUpSkillTable;

TRankUpSkillTable File;

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:21 AM

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it's an option instead of using an equip

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:21 AM

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done

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:21 AM

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instead of running divine grace+mediarahan

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:21 AM

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ah, wait

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//------------------------------------------------
//--- 010 Editor v11.0.1 Binary Template
//
// File:
// Authors: MeovvCAT (Fixed the dogshit)
// Version:
// Purpose:
// Category:
// File Mask:
// ID Bytes:
// History:
//------------------------------------------------
#include "p4g_enums.bt"

LittleEndian();

enum<ushort> fixDogshitTemplate
{
Hanamura = 2,
Satonaka = 3,
Amagi = 4,
Kujikawa = 5,
Tatsumi = 6,
Shirogane = 7,
Kuma = 8
};

typedef struct
{
fixDogshitTemplate Member;
ushort Rank;
BattleSkill SkillToLearn;
BattleSkill SkillToReplace;
} TEntry;

typedef struct
{
uint Size;
uint Entries;
TEntry Entry[Entries * 6];
} TRankUpSkillTable;

TRankUpSkillTable File;

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its really hacky but now you dont have to manually fix the enums every time

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:22 AM

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yay it works

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:22 AM

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nice, thanks

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:23 AM

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kind of funny that it lists them by last name

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:23 AM

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i had to

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because of the enums

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:23 AM

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i guess ill leave B5 as arms master then

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:23 AM

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yeah i guess so hmm

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divine is kinda funny

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for b5 anyway

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:23 AM

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Healer kanji

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honestly it fits him

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:23 AM

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it is funny to lean into the bit

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

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not terrible on principle tbh

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just as the final upgrade its uh

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

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he is a pretty sweet guy

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

#

what

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

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media -> mediarama -> boosted mediarama but no full heal

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

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something yosuke is better at??

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wait he doesnt get mediarahan

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KEKW

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

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yeah no lol

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

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you can give kanji blessed hands

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

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if anything yosuke should be the one getting that divine grace

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

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and you save 1 day

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:24 AM

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for youthful wind to not be hot ass

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:25 AM

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unless wou want to run yosuke with blessed hands and kanji with divina grace+mediarama

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:25 AM

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I think the only place for divine grace in yosuke's kit is his lvling

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could get rid of megidola but i kinda like it being there

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:25 AM

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yeah but he like

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learns no skills

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besides dia and diarama

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at the END he gets youthful wind

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:26 AM

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theres no reason for youthful wind to exist because of dragon hustle

you could argue "oh but you can have him do suku and heal at the same time, and someone else can do taru and raku"

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but that's too convoluted

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:26 AM

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well, youthful wind is spammable

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at the very least

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:26 AM

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the evasion buff is good paired with ali

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ig

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:26 AM

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so you have always full evasion on your party

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:26 AM

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why not make youthful wind a full heal?

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:26 AM

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youthful wind is just there because they had no other fusion spell to give him aside from raktapaksha which was too similar to jack bros

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:26 AM

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i mean i could

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:27 AM

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make it more expensive to compensate of course

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:27 AM

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maybe just increase base heal power a bit

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:27 AM

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i made mans way do almighty damage too but im like 99% sure that if it misses it doesnt damage or down either way

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:27 AM

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make it give everyone wind wall because wind is in the name

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:27 AM

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and also elec wall

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because wind pushes electricity away

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:27 AM

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make it fully restore and revive everyone, and apply both karns

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:27 AM

#

true...

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:27 AM

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and also make it a party wide charge

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and concentrate for good measure

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:28 AM

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supple oak make it fully restore and revive everyone, and apply both karns

(this is actually not possible)

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:28 AM

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make it fully heal and revive all party members, apply tetrakarn and makarakarn, remove stat decreases, apply wind resistance and increase accuracy/evasion for 3 turns

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:28 AM

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wait

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maybe having it give the dekunda effect

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would not be so bad

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:28 AM

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you cant dekunda and buff suku at the same time

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it fucks up targeting

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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is that actually true in p4

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i didn't test it so idk

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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then why not make it so that it only applies to enemies

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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ik you can have skills heal and revive at the same time tho

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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its true in p3r and i assume p4 too because how would they sort the order of flags

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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and it heals them, but it lowers their accuracy

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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we should give teddie this skill

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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worldly jasper ik you can have skills heal and revive at the same time tho

you can but targeting also fucks up completely, i tried before

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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dusky thicket we should give teddie this skill

hahahahah

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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you can only use it if someone is dead

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:29 AM

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supple oak you can only use it if someone is dead

in P5 you can use recarm+heat riser

harsh canyon Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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dusky thicket we should give teddie this skill

he's built up a resistance over the year to dying amagidyne

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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or make a skill that does that

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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wait, aoe samarecarm with sukukaja is actually not that bad of an idea KEKW

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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dusky thicket we should give teddie this skill

why is it called infinite endure here and not ForTesting, another instance of p4 removing sovl?

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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it's a leftover from the p3 engine

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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i think that's the template doing that

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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worldly jasper why is it called infinite endure here and not ForTesting, another instance of p4...

because SKArk named it

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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is it on izanagi no okami boss fight version

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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yeah

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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p4 less raw for that

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in p3 its on Universe

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🔥

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 AM

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awesome

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:31 AM

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P3 was suppossed to be the last game no?

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:31 AM

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fixdogshittemplate

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it was their last gambit yes

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but p4 started halfway through p3

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:31 AM

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they realised hashino was gonna print money

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and just trusted his vision

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:31 AM

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this is what iget for the table

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:32 AM

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ok, i am done with bike and SL

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:32 AM

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nice

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:32 AM

#

📎 cmmRankUpSkillTable.dat 📎 cmpPsSkillAddTable.ctd

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:32 AM

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yoink

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so now its party members (have fun doing it 3 times per party member)

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:32 AM

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i get to figure out how to add entries too yay

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:32 AM

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you dont have to add entries

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the entries are already there

#

theres 32

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:33 AM

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oh no

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oh no

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😭

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:33 AM

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yes

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:33 AM

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it's over

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:33 AM

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dont expand the table that breaks it

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literally

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what you need to do it

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you open the first skill

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you edit it

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and if you need to put something in the MIDDLE

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you push everything down one entry

#

naosmiley

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:33 AM

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doesnt that mean you have to go thru and change all those entries

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:34 AM

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ok like

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lets say yosuke has 5 skills

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you want to add a new one

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and its the 3rd skill

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you take skills 3, 4 and 5

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you paste them onto slots 4, 5 and 6

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then you edit slot 3

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3x for every party member persona

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enjoy

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now you know why i dont like editing movesets

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:35 AM

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painful

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this is why we get it out of the way

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:35 AM

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if it makes you feel better you can in fact copy hex from one persona to the other

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just

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:35 AM

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fuck

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:35 AM

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make sure you're actually copying the proper hex

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:35 AM

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oh yeah lol

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you have to replace everything

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:36 AM

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skark moment again

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what is line 161

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i can post my bts ig

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:36 AM

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EnemiesID Units[ 5 ] <name = "Battle Units">;

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:36 AM

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ah

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yes

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p5 template moment

#

one sec

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:36 AM

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man

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:36 AM

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whats the table for movesets?

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:36 AM

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is it not just persona.tbl

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:36 AM

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some games have an ally table

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ally persona

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or smth

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:37 AM

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i dont think persona 4 has anything like that

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:37 AM

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uhh

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correct

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:37 AM

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supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:38 AM

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yeah i just opened it

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:38 AM

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it's persona.tbl no?

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:38 AM

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📎 p4g_enums.bt 📎 p4g_structs.bt 📎 p4g_tbl.bt

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:38 AM

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thank you 😭

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:38 AM

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has my fixes and cleanups

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but its not exactly finished

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i just

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do whatever i need

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:39 AM

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we appreciate it 🙏 🙏🙏

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:39 AM

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i also hide a lot of the "Unknown" fields because why the fuck do you need them cluttering up the editor???

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wait

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ah wait KEKW

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📎 p4g_structs.bt 📎 p4g_tbl.bt 📎 p4g_enums.bt

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its in fact these you want i think

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also, this one allows you to edit the elements of weapon normal attacks, which no one has pushed to any repo whatsoever in the last 3 fucking years

📎 p4g_itemtbl.bt

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:40 AM

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supple oak also, this one allows you to edit the elements of weapon normal attacks, which n...

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:40 AM

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you guys think marie will be a party member in p4re

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:40 AM

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no

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doesnt make any sense even if it would be cool

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:41 AM

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i hope she is and take some of the content from the golden anime

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to make the story with her being more involved

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:41 AM

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hopefully by the time it releases event editing is more developed and we can make anime event ports

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:41 AM

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i didn not like her much at first, but she has grown on me over the years after I understood her better lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:41 AM

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same for p3r movie events

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:42 AM

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it's UE no?

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:42 AM

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4.27

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:42 AM

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well but atlus has their own subengine i assume

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:42 AM

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kinda

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:42 AM

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sure it uses ue as base but they have their own quirks

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I'm just happy you can view most of the game in fmodel

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and not really need a template to edit stuff, even if it is tedious af

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:43 AM

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supple oak hopefully by the time it releases event editing is more developed and we can mak...

anime music expansion rewind? 👀

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:43 AM

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omg

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the music in the p4 anime is so goated

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:43 AM

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dusky thicket anime music expansion rewind? 👀

i was thinking actual events, but yeah

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:43 AM

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music swaps is definitely a bit easier to start with

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i also have anime music expansion for p4g so it could provide a useful baseline to start

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gets somewhere yk

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:44 AM

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P4 Original OP > P4A OP > Golden OP

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:44 AM

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probably way faster than making custom events for things

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:44 AM

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the menu is also way better in the original p4

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:44 AM

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also wow

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this is cbt

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:44 AM

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i've never seen the persona 4 the golden animation op

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:44 AM

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at least party member personas are defined in pink

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:44 AM

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worldly jasper i've never seen the persona 4 the golden animation op

song is pretty goated

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:45 AM

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worldly jasper i've never seen the persona 4 the golden animation op

its p good

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:45 AM

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animation is a little less good but i still like it overall

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:45 AM

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visuals are also nice, i like how they effectively imply it's a NG+ of the original one

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:45 AM

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worldly jasper i've never seen the persona 4 the golden animation op

i've dont remember seeing the golden one

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it did not have english VA so I just could not watch it

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:45 AM

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TakoPepePoint

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:45 AM

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it is also not as fun as the P4 one

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:45 AM

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filtered

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:45 AM

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so in this case I have like 5 million skills to add to yosuke

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do I need to actually genuinely go and set them from the first one down individually or can I copy all the skills down one (if that makes sense)

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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go 1 by one

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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I'm not doing this today either way 😭 but

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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dusky thicket so in this case I have like 5 million skills to add to yosuke

you have two ways of doing it, just go from top to bottom and overwrite, or slot everything down everytime you want to inject one (do the former man its not worth it since all the lists are bigger anyway)

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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well @true gorge if you wanna do it...

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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sure

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im used to the p5 one

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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it shouldnt actually take long

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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my numpad skills are excellent

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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tbh

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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this filter is good

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just scroll down to the pink and start there

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:46 AM

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yh

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:47 AM

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oh now i understand what you mean by 3x as well

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that's for ultimate and 3rd sem isn't it

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:47 AM

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hey, now that we are almost done...

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:47 AM

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wait

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there's only 2 for yosuke?

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:47 AM

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true gorge it did not have english VA so I just could not watch it

filtered x2

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:48 AM

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dusky thicket there's only 2 for yosuke?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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look at the bottom

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maybe

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:48 AM

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the only thing i've seen from p4tga is the culprit fight scene

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which rocked

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:48 AM

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yeah me too lol

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the adachi stuff was good

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but i watched that on YT

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:48 AM

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i love adachi's voice so much

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:48 AM

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best parts of p4ga are the stuff marie is not present in to be completely honest

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they kinda throw with a lot of that stuff

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:48 AM

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that too

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:48 AM

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concert was cool tho

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once you get to the hollow forest stuff its a bit more ok too but the early stuff is rough

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:49 AM

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couldn't have said it better lol

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0cI9N5rfrg

YouTube

Release - Topic

sky's the limit

Provided to YouTube by Aniplex Inc.

sky's the limit · Shihoko Hirata

Persona4 the Animation 1

℗ 2011 Aniplex Inc.

Released on: 2011-11-23

Lyricist: Lotus Juice
Arranger, Composer: Shoji Meguro

Auto-generated by YouTube.

▶ Play video

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 4:49 AM

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dusky thicket best parts of p4ga are the stuff marie is not present in to be completely honest

its called p4tga.

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:50 AM

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what the heck

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yosuke is in here like 5 times

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:50 AM

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oh yeah

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watch out

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same thing with ryuji

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i think that means it's blank

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just make sure he has skills

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:50 AM

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no skills in these last two

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:50 AM

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its a dummy then yeah

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secret 10th party member...

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:51 AM

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marie

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:51 AM

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ok so there's 3 for each

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yay

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alright well im not doing this

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not today at least 😭

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pc if you do it first that'd be rad

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otherwise i guess i'll look at it eventually

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:51 AM

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I will after im done with mine

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but it's also kinda late where i live so

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i can get it done today tho

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:52 AM

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i could also do it myself

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guess we'll see who does it

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KEKW

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:52 AM

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shouldn't take long

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:52 AM

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already updated a bunch of mods recently

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soooo im done modding today lol

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:52 AM

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thank you for your service 🫡

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you may go now

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or stay, if you want lol

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meovv

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send me the persona.tbl file

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:53 AM

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speaking of balance

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:53 AM

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with the mutations, if you have it

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:53 AM

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oh right persona.tbl has the mutations as well

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📎 PERSONA.TBL

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:53 AM

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speaking of mutations

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rest in peace cleave=>primal force

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you will be missed

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:54 AM

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on purpose

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i did the big funny where the lineage makes izanagi mutate into his reload dlc counterpart lmao

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:54 AM

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i think a good change they can make

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is if the magician cards had ranks

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:54 AM

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so I noticed the party member personas have fixed stat gains

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:54 AM

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depending on the dungeon

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:55 AM

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is that only the case for party member personas

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:55 AM

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dusky thicket so I noticed the party member personas have fixed stat gains

BRO

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no you can change them all i think

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but oh my god

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peril

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:55 AM

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you good lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:55 AM

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do YOU want to manually edit the xp and stat curve of 150 personas?

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:p

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:55 AM

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someone manually inputted them

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:55 AM

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true gorge someone manually inputted them

not necessarily

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:55 AM

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oh I'm good I'm just curious if it's applicable for all lol

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:55 AM

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true story

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yeah it was probably generated or smth

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but imagine

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:56 AM

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maybe it's possible to write a program to make this all a bit easier

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:56 AM

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well, they had the flipping code lol

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imagine how easy this would be if we had the tools they had

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:56 AM

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oh I mean on our end

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:56 AM

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oh yeah

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modding is truly a marvel, you guys reverse engineer everything

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:56 AM

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if we had the tools they had that would be wonderful and this is why someone at ATLUS should leak the persona 4 event editing too-

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denuvoless P4G64 exe with debug menu fully intact please and thanks

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:57 AM

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btw

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what does denuvo even do?

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ik it's drm, but like

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what does it do lol

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 AM

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for modding? bloats the exe size with random garbage to make it so you can't just pirate it easily

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 AM

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bruh

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 AM

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also makes it harder to reverse engineer for stuff like what swine does

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 AM

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sometimes it kills the game if you attach a debugger

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 AM

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bc of said garbage in the exe

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 AM

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hey on an unrelated note: do you guys get lag spikes/30fps animation when using megidola

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in p3r

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 4:59 AM

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nope

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:59 AM

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idk

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:59 AM

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its fluid for you?

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:59 AM

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I don't think I ever used megidola ngl

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:59 AM

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I have a 3070 idk why it would struggle

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i've seen no one else have this issue

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for stuff like salvation too

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 4:59 AM

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I used getsu-ei, brave blade, deathbound, and scarlet havoc

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 4:59 AM

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the animation is slowed down compared to everything else

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ik the menus are 30fps

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:00 AM

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the menus are 60

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and uncappable

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:00 AM

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but it seems like the animations are rendered

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at a lower frame rate

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:00 AM

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if they capped to 30 for you that's a bug

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:00 AM

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supple oak and uncappable

the transition in the main manu to loading saves feels like 30

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:00 AM

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you need to reinstall

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yes

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use P3RFix anyway

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to uncap it

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:00 AM

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I did

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but i play 60fps anyway

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skills like salvation/megidola/opening the menu feel like the game goes to 30fps

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and I've checked my frametime graph

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and it stays constant

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Nothing major, just wondering if it was just me. I'll have to see what I do about it.

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so huh

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meovv, i think you might have to do the mutations lol

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i'll probably mess it up

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:03 AM

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i already did

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though

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have been done for like a month

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its literally only the party member shit thats left

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:04 AM

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in the persona.tbl

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:04 AM

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yes that's why i sent it

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why would i send the vanilla tbl

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hmm

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its all been done for ages

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its pinned even

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:05 AM

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huh maybe im dumb

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oh i see sorry

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i completely missed it

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So it goes in groups of 2 for 1st and 2nd tier

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then it jumps to the 3rd tier personas

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:08 AM

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yes

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:08 AM

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yeah

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at least you won't have to edit Teddie lol

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absolutely zero changes to his base kit

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wait you do need to change auto-raku to recarm

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but that's not adding new skills so that should be ez

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:09 AM

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hey, for the cbt spreadsheet

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could you guys number skills 1-32

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it makes it easier for me to not make a mistake

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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uh sure

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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just add a column on the side

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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do you have the skill IDs on hand

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probably will be helpful

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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dusky thicket do you have the skill IDs on hand

enum lets you write the name and autofill

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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no not ids

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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oh cool

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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i can just type their names

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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did not know that

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 AM

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dw i know there are 2 megidolaons

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:11 AM

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you should accidentally give Naoto the 9999 megidolaon

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:11 AM

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yes

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:11 AM

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and rampages

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:11 AM

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it's 0053

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rampage is 0171

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:11 AM

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ill just give chie the contrarian king one

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should make her more viable early game

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or better yet, rampage upgrades into rampage

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:11 AM

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yeah true she is lacking due to her bad support

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lol

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:12 AM

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yeah, since yusuke got his full party tetra/makara/concentrate stuff

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we now have to make up for it

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:13 AM

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is it indexed from 0 or 1

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:13 AM

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0 is attack

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:13 AM

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ok

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...what if you change that 🤔

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:13 AM

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breaks shit

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p sure

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:13 AM

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no

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skill ids start with 0

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so that i can compare the [#] with the entry

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and double check

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:14 AM

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yes and 0 is attack

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agi is 1

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:14 AM

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i dont need the IDs that much

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but you could add them

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i just want to know which is skill #32 and such

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:15 AM

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you mean in the table entries

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isnt brawler doing that

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:15 AM

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I wish I could do the whole, drag down the cell to copy numbers

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but on mobile I have no idea how

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lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:15 AM

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i mean

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one sec

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do i have edit privilege

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i do

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xdding

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:15 AM

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cool then I will let you handle it

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:16 AM

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oh

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i dont

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nvm

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:16 AM

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oof

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I'll get back on my computer in a sec lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:16 AM

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but yeah just drag everyone to the right

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then add number

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you're doing that alr

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:17 AM

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you're gonna have to write a doc explaining the changes so the people who consider Yukiko #1 won't be confused lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:18 AM

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i'm gonna have to write a doc explaining why they suck at the game?

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sounds fun

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:18 AM

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lol

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:18 AM

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remembering all the slander MQ got because we buffed aki

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:19 AM

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I doubt many people will actually care since P4G is older but it's probably nice to have an explanation document for these movesets

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:19 AM

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my personal favorite actually is explaining nothing and seeing people call things we didn't edit bad changes

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 5:19 AM

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well tbf guys

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nam dropped a video the other day saying naoto and yukiko are the best characters

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so its an uphill battle

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:20 AM

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true

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:20 AM

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i get to beef with nam??

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BOOBS

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:20 AM

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and nam mentioned things like Naoto frost shot

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so you know people will be like oh wow he really knows his shit

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which tbf I mean a lot of it was well researched

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just came to the wrong conclusions

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:21 AM

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hey huh

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looking at it

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the power gap between sonic punch

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and power slash

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is 20 whopping levels

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:21 AM

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yeah but we're not stuffing him full of phys

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all rounders gonna allround

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:22 AM

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yeah ik

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just thinking we could move back power slash a bit

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since it is really close to mighty swing

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but ill just fill in what we have now

worldly jasper Mar 25, 2025, 5:22 AM

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yea it should be earlier than 34 lol

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i think like

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mid 20s would be better

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:23 AM

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I put mine at 26

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAQddwWzLaSBC1r6PSJdQrmUPgXf4smuNinmMNNr1H0/edit?gid=1142739107#gid=1142739107

Google Docs

P4 Balancing

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if anyone cares to look over this

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:23 AM

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@dusky thicket

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 AM

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huh hi what's up

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 AM

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idk more suggestion

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i have no opinion

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 AM

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hang on..

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tentarafoo 23
garula 27 (-2)
power slash 29 (-5)
mind slice 32
panic boost 34

thoughts on that?

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is high 20s still too high

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i wanna go to bed soon so i'd like to wrap this up personally...

supple oak Mar 25, 2025, 5:29 AM

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doesnt seem too bad?

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 AM

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getting garula a little sooner cant hurt anyways

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 AM

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looks good

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 AM

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honestly, kanji gets zionga at 25

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 AM

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since yukiko learns agilao

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 AM

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yosuke could probably get garula sooner lol

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 AM

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agidyne at 51

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and yusuke at 53

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so they are the 2 mages of the group

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makes sense they learn these close together

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 AM

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let me try this again

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tentarafoo 22 (-1)
garula 24 (-5)
power slash 27 (-7)
panic boost 29 (-2)
mind slice 32

true gorge Mar 25, 2025, 5:32 AM

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i like it

dusky thicket Mar 25, 2025, 5:33 AM

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power slash slightly stronger than kill rush so he gets it later

#Persona 4 Golden | Clean Balance Tweaks