Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest

[native garden]

Which would be true to an extent but I don’t want to talk semantics rn

Yep which makes me want to beat the mod before 2.0 comes out.

[dreamy orchid]

that was to do with affinities, not AI

what are you talking about

[native garden]

At least the journey aspect of it. Answer MQ, I’m not too fondly interesting in

[dreamy orchid]

he buffed her damage, why would that change firm stance

firm stance sucks anyways and ali dance is free why would you use it lol

[native garden]

I’m not talking about changes to firm stance. I’m talking about damage taken with firm stance

[dreamy orchid]

you can survive it either way

its more comparable to the fes version in terms of damage dealt

[celest kindle]

Well yeah though seeing them working on it i imagined the fight had been changed in a way outside of just damage

[dreamy orchid]

technically weaker tho because rakukaja/tarunda are stronger in reload

[native garden]

It was goated in the Original and in vanilla reload. Especially in vanilla reload that doesn’t give you a free 999HP and 999 SP at level 99

[dreamy orchid]

why would you use it over ali dance

liz also only hits for like 50 damage in reload lol

[native garden]

Bc I need to be as tanky as possible. Even with 590ish HP

Relying on dodging is way too RNG. Even with Ali dance I’m afraid

[dreamy orchid]

ali dance is mathematically better than firm stance

[celest kindle]

What's Firm Stance again?

[dreamy orchid]

also you don't need to be tanky in vanilla

[dreamy orchid]

50% damage reduction but no evasion

[celest kindle]

Ah

[native garden]

Which is a skill ||Shinjiro|| can learn in Reload

[dreamy orchid]

whereas ali dance is reducing enemy hit rate to 50% against self

firm stance sucks tho

don't use it

[celest kindle]

Wait no evasion in the sense that it doesn't allow evasion or in the sense that it doesn't affect evasion?

[dreamy orchid]

it doesn't allow evasion at all

[native garden]

No evasion means you can’t dodge at all

[dreamy orchid]

means you can never dodge

[native garden]

No matter what

[celest kindle]

Damn

That sounds kinda interesting

50% dmg reduction kinda fire tho

[native garden]

maybe there’s an exception for like insta kill skills but that’s about it

[dreamy orchid]

ali dance is 50% chance to dodge tho which is just better lmao

[celest kindle]

Wouldn't it almost nullify damage if you used it while guarding?

[dreamy orchid]

instakills don't use evasion

[celest kindle]

Firm Stance i mean

[dreamy orchid]

instakills have 100% hit rate

[celest kindle]

Yeah Instakills are Lu based

[dreamy orchid]

multiplicative, not additive

[celest kindle]

That's why i said almost

[dreamy orchid]

well like

[native garden]

ok, I hope I get the shoe that nulls insta kill dark skills

[dreamy orchid]

tarunda is already 0.6x damage taken

[celest kindle]

Hit-Rate doesn't mean kill chance

[dreamy orchid]

instakills are an ailment

[celest kindle]

Though if you have weakness to it you are very likely to die

[dreamy orchid]

they have a 100% chance to hit the enemy like ailment skills do

but their chance to inflict said ailment is seperate

it just means they aren't affected by accuracy, evasion or agility stat

but they are affected by foul breath and stagnant air lol

[celest kindle]

Wait does that mean ailments are also luck based?

[dreamy orchid]

why wouldn't they be lol

[celest kindle]

Idk i thought they'd have accuracy rather than be luck

[native garden]

“Perhaps Lady Luck is no longer on your side”

[dreamy orchid]

depends on the game but in persona they are all 100% hit rate

i don't get using firm stance tho it sucks

you never have to be tanky in reload lol and dodging is just better

[native garden]

There’s 1 time where it’s actually good tho

And MQ, it’s gonna be goated

[dreamy orchid]

where

[native garden]

Liz

[dreamy orchid]

no in MQ its nerfed

cus evasion is no longer capped

so ali dance is de facto better

[dreamy orchid]

why tf would you use firm stance for liz

[native garden]

Pls don’t tell me it lowered the 50% damage reduction

[dreamy orchid]

she doesn't even have amp skills

please listen to what im typing jfc

firm stance is 50% damage reduction but evasion is no longer capped and thus you can reduce hit rates to way below 50% with a decent setup and sukukaja/sukunda

meaning ali dance is mathematically always better in MQ

[native garden]

[Ok I believe you]

[dreamy orchid]

but like in base game

even without firm stance

liz does like no damage

so reducing damage there is pointless

[native garden]

I can see it good when she goes for concentrate but that’s about it

[dreamy orchid]

its the same thing

she doesn't even have amp she literally can't kill you

[native garden]

Besides the scripted segment? Ah. Anyways, I’m gonna go do the hangman full moon scenario in a bit and I hope Shadow Play doesn’t randomly shut itself off this time

[hollow trail]

the bugfix was accidental

i changed her affinities and because of it a repel strat bug was fixed where you could skip a phase of hers

[iron pilot]

hey it works

lmaoooo

cu chullain can't use his regular affinities though that sucks

[hollow trail]

also

you can have 999 in reload

skill issue if you dont

[celest kindle]

lol

Not like the game doesn't give you tools for it so

Major Arcanas, Linked EPs, Mitsuru's rewards

[iron pilot]

you made getting 999 easier too actually

[celest kindle]

Oh?

[iron pilot]

because of that arcana burst rework

[hollow trail]

if you optimize your social stat gains you can basically go to tartarus every single night starting from september/october-ish

being generous that's like 400 hp/sp gained

on your main party

mc gets even more

[celest kindle]

Damn crazy

[hollow trail]

you can absolutely break and twist MQ in half if you're optimal

that's kinda the point

[celest kindle]

I actually have almost every stat on rank 4 at the day after Fuuka is rescued

Though I'm not really optimizing just using the Arcade a lot

And the special seafood course from Wakatsu

[hollow trail]

ye i'm 1 day before hermit and i have everything maxed except academics which needs like 20 more points

[celest kindle]

Holy

[hollow trail]

my social links are also pretty much boosted as fuck

[celest kindle]

Covering all ur bases

[hollow trail]

and this is guideless

you can do so much better

lol

[dreamy orchid]

we will not be doing unnecessary tartarus visits (would make me eepy)

[hollow trail]

well tbf

guides are actually less optimal than me

[celest kindle]

I'm aiming to do all SLs too not sure if it worked out though

[hollow trail]

because they are using fes data

[celest kindle]

I have taken the advice of focusing on school links

[native garden]

woah, we got a badass over here

[dreamy orchid]

i played suboptimal somewhat i think

[celest kindle]

The ones that have best progress for me have been Kazushi and Kenji

[hollow trail]

school links is priority, links that are the most available are to be left for last

[dreamy orchid]

before exams i've had several days with no sls available cus i maxxed most out of school people besides maiko and yongyea

[hollow trail]

for example, nozomi and old couple

[celest kindle]

None finished so far which has me a little worried

Yeah

[hollow trail]

are available literally every day except one or two

so leave for last

[celest kindle]

I have all of them unlocked i think

[dreamy orchid]

i did nozomi somewhat early cus moon personas are good

[hollow trail]

obviously rank them for burst

[dreamy orchid]

but i never did him on days school mfs are available

[hollow trail]

and to unlock bebe

etc

school mfs are the priority thats what matters

[dreamy orchid]

cus thats just bad routing

[celest kindle]

Even Bebe that i shamefully did not even start on my first time

Yeah

[hollow trail]

unlocking mfs is also important

[dreamy orchid]

school mfs are priority

me with rank 1 fortune and priestess:

i have most mfs high rank or maxxed besides them tho

[celest kindle]

I honestly thought I'd be able to make it in time but then the game threw almost a whole month of no school SLs at me

And well you can imagine what happens

Like 3 people showed up on the final cutscene 😭

[iron pilot]

I love Jean Andre Laurent Geraux

[celest kindle]

My bonds were not powerful 😢

[dreamy orchid]

how do you manage to fuck up that badly

[celest kindle]

It's not that i didn't like do no one it's just i barely focused on the school sls and all the other ones I didn't finish

Mostly due to lack of time and also due to not doing much of certain links (Maya)

[native garden]

I’ll fight ||hanged man||tomorrow. ||Jesus Christ, that Strega fight made me sweat||

[native garden]

I’m not gonna spend 500+ hours getting small tarot cards to reach 999HP and SP mate

[hollow trail]

damn its almost as if master quest changed it so it's not 500 hours

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[iron pilot]

don't be a baby it's just 30 hours

[native garden]

30 hours in a game that can take 80 hours or more to complete? Sheesh.

Anyways, my ||Strega 1|| video is nearly done uploading and it is going to be up sometime in September. I could put it up as unlisted and share it here but, I think it would be better to hold off on that

[dreamy orchid]

i won't lie

getting the arcana cards you want is still pretty lengthy process

if you value your time i don't think its ever worth doing even still but its def easier than it was before lol

[native garden]

Sounds like a mixed bag but, I’ll cross that bridge when I get there. By the way, ||good luck trying to beat Strega 1 without direct commands. You’ll seriously need it.||

[celest kindle]

Got to the second Arqa 2 boss

One that's two gigas and the enemy that sits down on a chair

Went pretty well

Time was abt 5:39

Not bad I'd say

Being able to use ailments helped a lot

I think a little too much in fact

https://youtu.be/um8nV7G-eP0?si=SVYJ7RZltcrHI_n9

Charm OP? Mitsuru Top Tier?

[native garden]

Wait a minute

I’m just looking at the thumbnail and why you only bring 2 peeps with you?

[celest kindle]

I used Junpei and Aki to get up there

They're drained

Low on SP and Low on HP

[native garden]

Ohhh

[celest kindle]

I didn't have many healing items for sp or health so i just brought the girls

[native garden]

What about your twilight fragments?

[celest kindle]

I have a handful but I'm saving them

Mostly for chests and such

[native garden]

Ah, I see. Well, I tend to go to Tartarus a couple of nights before a full moon so I can easily horde twilight fragments to do a hard core run of where I try to get to the border floor in 1 visit

[celest kindle]

My schedule so far has been one boss per visit

But there can be intervals between visits for hanging out and SLs

This is the second boss

So far going well

I've only done Yukari's dorm activity rn but I'll do more

Need to work on some SLs as well

Gotta get on finishing some of them and progressing some more (Bebe and Keisuke atm)

[native garden]

Ah, ok.

Well nice run but you gotta bring in a full squad. Being down a man can put a handicap on you

[native garden]

She’s always top tier wherever she goes mate. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise

[celest kindle]

It can i died twice with only Junpei and Aki lol

But i figured i might as well go balls out even missing one party member since i managed to make it work on the way to the boss

And i saved beforehand so i could do something else if i made a horrible mistake

Also one less party member means more XP

Mitsuru is kinda gonna have a tough time leveling due to being overleved compared to some of the normal enemies so this helped out a little

[native garden]

I’m not sure that’s gonna help with this game’s level disparity but anything goes

[native garden]

Hell yea brother

[celest kindle]

I mean

Less catching up for me to do lol

[native garden]

That’s a plus I supposed

Quick question, what recording software do you use to record those MQ clips? Bc I’m thinking of dropping Shadow Play soon

[celest kindle]

Xbox Game Bar

It's not super intricate, OBS would probably be better but I'm not doing like content creation so I don't think i need to get too crazy with it

Also i tend to run my videos through HandBrake

[native garden]

Ah ok. I’m thinking of using OBS more Shadow Play is really giving me some issues

[celest kindle]

I think it'd be a good idea

Or Xbox Game Bar if you just want simple recordings

[native garden]

Like, ||Hanged Man|| took me 2 attempts because the first attempt was where the recording ended abruptly out of nowhere. The 2nd attempt went fine. But the capture stopped responding after the cutscene after defeating the boss ended

So I have the full recording of the fight but the last 15s is when the video is frozen

[celest kindle]

Maybe watch a setup video beforehand but i think you can get by with the recommended settings if your computer is powerful enough

[celest kindle]

Oof

First time I've heard of people having issues with Shadow Play

I guess i can't really relate since all hardware i had before was Intel

And now AMD

[native garden]

There’s always people having issues with Shadow play. It just that recording footage for this mod is a pain in the ass sometimes

[celest kindle]

Oh yeah btw this was before getting to the boss

[celest kindle]

Damn

[native garden]

It’s not the mod’s fault. Just that I’m setting on a I5 processor in 2024

And I need to start moving my footage from my HDD to my SSD and delete old footage for other games and yadda yadda

[native garden]

Oh yea, ||Hanged Man||. Beating that boss in this mod actually felt satisfying. I’m still having a hard time noticing the changes made to the fight sadly. But it genuinely felt rewarding to win it on the hardest difficulty possible. It felt so…invigorating

[native garden]

Sorry for the ping but what’s the keybind you need to use to record with Xbox Game Bar?

[celest kindle]

Windows + G

It works any time but open the game first

It's specifically designed for games so you can't record like just your desktop

Though you can record like Google Chrome for example if it's open

[native garden]

Does it work when the game is in borderless full screen?

[celest kindle]

Yeah

It doesn't need to be windowed or fullscreen specifically iirc so it should work

[native garden]

Alright cool, I’ll keep that in mind.

[celest kindle]

Try it out

[native garden]

I’ll try it out later today. I’m a little tired rn

[native garden]

I gave game bar a try and it recorded the clips and it’s a lot smoother than Shadow Play for some reason. Now I need to see its bit rate and quality tho.

[celest kindle]

Windows 10 strings

settings*

Under the game menu on the captures section

[native garden]

Thx, but I looked at the clip I just record and it’s in pretty good quality

[celest kindle]

I do recommend changing the framerate lol

Gotta get on those 60 fps

Better for the viewer

[native garden]

Yea about that, I already have the video frame rate toggled at 60FPS

But thanks for the reminder

[celest kindle]

You should be set then

Actually @native garden click the icon next to the recording icon

There's a thingy to record the last couple seconds of your gameplay

Very useful in case you wanna get a part of something you weren't recording

Can even change it's length if u wanna make it bigger

[native garden]

I’ll keep that in mind thx

That reminds me. I should probably record that one monad boss ||Fleetfooted chivalry and Clairvoyant Relic|| because I kinda find it decent in Master Quest

[native garden]

||https://youtu.be/S1JYT8v2_TQ|| One of the only monad shadows I enjoyed fighting in this mod

[dreamy orchid]

wtf is your akihiko setup here

no strike boost and no elec amp?

also lmao take off useful descriptions for this

the skill info and charge/concentrate modifiers are actively incorrect here

also your siegfried has no slash boosters or apt pupil?

wtf are your builds brother

do better.

[native garden]

That’s a great question. Single target here. And a mix of support stuff there

[dreamy orchid]

no i mean your equips

[native garden]

About that…I had that one ever since the first Tartarus guardian boss of thebel

[dreamy orchid]

you have an accessory which literally does nothing

and you are using a bad weapon for no reason

[native garden]

It came from 2 personas that didn’t have either of those passives. I had to make a Siegfried for Liz’s request

[native garden]

I didn’t have enough materials for the one that has apt pupil so I had to go for the 2nd best thing

[dreamy orchid]

but you get strike boost weapon in yabbashah

also how do you not have the materials you are an entire tartarus block after the point that item is unlocked lol

[native garden]

They just work. Judging by your reaction, you are going to become really mortified when its August (IrL time)

[native garden]

Bad luck

[dreamy orchid]

x to doubt

[native garden]

Random item drops are random

[native garden]

I do not follow

[dreamy orchid]

You have Elec Boost accessory

But you already have Elec Boost on his Persona

I.e. the accessory isn't doing anything

[native garden]

I thought 2 elec boosts can stack tho? Unless it’s only like elec boost and elec amp

[iron pilot]

lmfao

[dreamy orchid]

Passives cannot stack with themselves

[iron pilot]

no tf it doesn't

it needs to be different

[dreamy orchid]

You can and also should have elec amp by that point

[iron pilot]

only time that works is strikers

[dreamy orchid]

you get enough materials for two amp accessories before even entering Tziah II

no excuse not to have both elec and ice amp tbh tbh

[native garden]

My wallet was mostly collect dust during the tziah 2 chapter

[dreamy orchid]

its gemstones, not yen

[native garden]

Well, getting the old document for Liz net me 120k yen. But I don’t think I get those material via exchanging yen

[native garden]

Oh…nvm

[dreamy orchid]

you get 5 garnet's from an elizabeth request pre-Tziah II

and amp accessories cost 2 garnets each

ergo, you can have at least 2 before even entering that block

[native garden]

Ah. Well, I’m on Harhabah Tartarus Block 5, First Half. Had to do some serious XP grinding for a scripted fight that got reworked

[native garden]

Can garnets be obtained in chests by a chance?

[dreamy orchid]

Yes

As early as Tziah

And again, Liz gives you 5 for free for a request that literally just involves speaking to Ikutsuki to get his glasses

no way to miss it

[native garden]

I’m pretty sure I did that request like well before it’s deadline

I just never checked what I need garnets for

[dreamy orchid]

make amp accessories lol

tho at harabah you can make phys amp ones instead

[native garden]

Wouldn’t phys amp accessories require rarer materials to get than the elec amp accessory?

[dreamy orchid]

nope

well, its a rarer base model

but those are infinitely duplicatable now so who cares

idk not having enough gems for shit is a skill issue, the game floods you in em

oh the materials are slightly rarer but you should have enough

[native garden]

I’ll check the materials I have when it’s daylight

[dreamy orchid]

light and dark amp being valued higher than the others despite light and dark skills being nerfed now is funny

common Koromaru L i suppose

[native garden]

Don’t remind of the castle Monad bosses pls

[native garden]

Koro can’t catch a break

[dreamy orchid]

you do know you can instakill them right

[native garden]

Btw, I wasn’t trying to make Siegfried for slash damage. Well, I was but then I decided to make a different persona for that

[native garden]

Yes

And I forgot

I had Mamudoon

But no Hamon

[dreamy orchid]

this is why meovv should give Ken his hama skills back 🙏

[native garden]

Ken was 1 level off from getting Mahamon

[native garden]

don’t give the mod creator more ideas

[dreamy orchid]

its a good idea tho

actively buffs him

[native garden]

While off deleting a skill that makes sense for his..elemental affinities. Since y’know, Ken specializes in light and electric attacks

Not deleting what am I saying

Still, I don’t think it’s a good idea

[hollow trail]

using detailed descriptions on mq

omg

its all wrong info

bros using concentrate for bufudyne

[native garden]

it helps make it deal more damage

[iron pilot]

No it doesn't

Unless you're anticipating a tarukaja on the concentrate user

Or charging theurgia

[hollow trail]

concentrate is flat 2.0x in MQ

it does nothing except save SP, but only if the skill you're using is more expensive than concentrate

which bufudyne is not, but diamond dust is

it's also useful to charge theurgy like doors said

or if you're not buffed

[native garden]

Matarukaja + Marakunda

[hollow trail]

same shit

you concentrate before having your attack buffed/enemy defense debuffed because mathematically it's more damage

but generally you do not want to spam concentrate unless you have diamond dust

because then it is more SP for less damage

i would've made it 1.9x but at least being this way if it's "misused" you don't lose damage

just sp

[native garden]

And considering how I can’t heal SP with an item during battle in this mod, yea…

[native garden]

Which is what I did when I had to take down the 2 Monad castles the hard way

Which I didnt record because I was half asleep during it

[native garden]

Just beat the ||Chidori scenario.|| Pretty decent rework I’ll have to admit. ||Not a fan of giving her a full heal tho||

[iron pilot]

wdym that shit's in vanilla

kinda required

[native garden]

Well, yea but it could’ve changed to a half heal in the mod

[native garden]

Well, phase 1 did last for about 7-8 ish minutes I suppose

[iron pilot]

well if you got through it it's good

because I completely nuked the shit out of it in testing

lmfao

super secret strat

[native garden]

You can keep that “secret” strat to yourself. Maybe I’ll discover it myself one day on a meme NG+ run

[native garden]

I did. Recording the cutscenes after it rn and will publish it in September

[arctic ridge]

Friend of mine says that Yukari doesn't use recarm when someone's dead. I don't know if it's been fixed by now or not though.

Also if it's not a stupid question, is this mod recommended to be played with a new save, or can you mess around with it in one that's midway?

[celest kindle]

New save yeah

Or NG+ on Merciless

[arctic ridge]

Oh, thanks man.

[dreamy orchid]

Supposed to be played with a new save, especially since all main story bosses are changed. You can play mid-game but you'll need to either use Be Blue or Mod Menu for Ken and Aki's new skills

[arctic ridge]

I think I'll go for it on a new playthrough then. I like the changes from what I can tell. Good luck on the mod, if it's still being developed

[dreamy orchid]

Also the recarm thing got fixed cus i pointed it out lol

[arctic ridge]

Gotcha

[dreamy orchid]

was in the last patch

[hollow trail]

it is but only for bugfixes

more balance changes will probably come after answer only

plus I'm busy with like 6 playthroughs of smtvv

[arctic ridge]

It's really fun so far

Enjoy the game man

[hollow trail]

it's completely broken but I'm enjoying it

[arctic ridge]

Broken sometimes can mean a lot of fun

[hollow trail]

sometimes lol

[arctic ridge]

I'm looking forward to whatever the community come up with down the line

[hollow trail]

in this case it's mostly fine

[arctic ridge]

I'm a Persona 5 balance enjoyer, but it's admittedly just cracked

But that's a long conversation

[native garden]

At that rate, you may as well install Costume Framework

Now, what would be a good BGM replacement for || Jin 2 and Takaya 2||…ah! I got it!

[celest kindle]

I mean sure yeah

I have been using it though tbh i might unninstall

i'm too SEES Battle Outfit pilled

[native garden]

I’m more used to wearing the default outfit yea.

Can’t wait to get comments on how I unlocked new outfits at the start of my Master Quest playthrough

[celest kindle]

lol

It's funny that SEES has to unlock their casual outfits

and that Yuki has to unlock his PE Jersey

Like SEES wear their shit on daytime why they need to get it on Tartarus 😭

[native garden]

Just like in the original. I’ll admit that it is a miss opportunity to not return some of the P3D outfits to P3R

and just give the “daily life outfits” for free at the start of the game but I’ll just blame SEGA’s aggressive monetization practices for that

Also, ||the Featherman Hands|| is (probably) gonna be one of the worst optional bosses to fight in Master Quest

[celest kindle]

❓

The casual outfits are free

As long as you have the game you can get them

You just have to go through Tartarus for them

[native garden]

And that’s the part I don’t like about that

I don’t mind getting an outfit via exploring Tartarus

[celest kindle]

They're not sold

[native garden]

I just wish they weren’t the daily life ones

[celest kindle]

Ah then we agree

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/ichiban-yakuza-like-a-dragon-handshake-gif-21537663

[celest kindle]

Master Quest day today might go for the full 2 hours or 1 hour in this fine Tuesday

[native garden]

Based

I might as well. Except maybe binge for like…5+ hours

[celest kindle]

I'd go for more but I'm only allowed 2 hours in weekdays unfortunately

For some reason all my dlc uninstalled itself

A bit weird and a little annoyance but i guess I'm set now

Oh speaking of

I gotta get the jack bros

Need Jack Bros Theurgy

[native garden]

Pyro Jack + Jack Frost make a great comedic duo

[celest kindle]

Tartarus was good tonite

Got to the next boss as well thus why Junpei and Yukari are almost dead

didn't fight it yet tho that will be for another day

On an unrelated note, is Fuuka's SP Recovery a Juno or personality thing because i tried using Oracle a couple of times now and she only healed or did party heat riser

[hollow trail]

no its on both

lucia has 4%

juno has 8%

it's 40% and 80% in vanilla

[celest kindle]

Huh

Guess i have shit luck then

[dreamy orchid]

nah its good luck to not get it

the recovery is like 6sp lol

[celest kindle]

Some SP's better than no SP

[dreamy orchid]

aoe heat riser or mediarahan's better

[celest kindle]

If I'm in a fight i guess

Also not far enough for that Media to be Mediarahan

It's just Mediarama atm I'd say

[dreamy orchid]

its like 80% heal

its basically mediarahan

[celest kindle]

If you wanna round it up i suppose

[dreamy orchid]

its closer to mediarahan than not

and you're never really at 1hp lol

[celest kindle]

True i guess

There have been sometimes where it didn't full heal when i used it though

But it got me basically to 100% so the difference was negligible

Not like small numbers but big enough that i went "Yeah i feel safe with that"

[native garden]

Ken: I had a breakthrough during that fight!

Me: Yea, about that…||bro why the hell is your Mediarhan cost 75SP?!||

[celest kindle]

Are you really wondering actually?

It's a full-heal skill

With how healing items are harder to obtain in MQ, gotta make sure the skill price is really worth what it's giving you

[native garden]

Yea, worth filling chapter 11 bankruptcy in Tartarus

[celest kindle]

Yes!

Life is not easy in Tartarus

Also he doesn't get heals for half-price like Yukari so there's that

But in exchange for that Yukari takes longer to get Mediarahan

[native garden]

But that’s not a mod thing, that’s just a vanilla thing but more inconvenient in this mod

Maybe when Ken is level 99 it would be more bearable but my god

That’s has to be the biggest troll trap I’ve ever seen in this mod

[celest kindle]

It's not a mod thing but the way the mod changes the game affects this vanilla thing

[native garden]

Yea….wlep. I guess level 99 is very important here and that change made it very apparent

[celest kindle]

I dunno if it's the 99 as much

Plus i think you're already at a point where you can get some SP items no?

Or just have a stock of Twilight Fragments if push comes to shove?

[dreamy orchid]

kinda good for him tbh

gets him to low sp quicker

[native garden]

A mix of both yea

Still, gonna grind to level 99 in ||Adamah|| just to prepare for anything the mod throw at me on the ||Promised Day||

[native garden]

You do know what happen when a magic caster loses all of their SP right?

[ashen pulsar]

uses the strongest theurgia in the game?

[hollow trail]

how have you been on this thread for almost 4 months and you still dont know low sp is good in this game

[dreamy orchid]

its only really good for ken

barely benefits other characters

[dreamy orchid]

he gets +10 per turn and gets his theurgia every 3 turns

[hollow trail]

+15 even

[dreamy orchid]

he gets invig 2?

[hollow trail]

i got his regen up to 15 so idk

could probably do more

[dreamy orchid]

that would mean you're using his accessory slot on an invig

which is an L

would much rather use an elemental amp or boost accessory

or ig enduring soul at endgame

[native garden]

I am my brothers keeper

[native garden]

Hmm…I still have to think about that

[native garden]

Aigis: That’s my skill…

[dreamy orchid]

absolute jokester

[dreamy orchid]

gee i wonder who to level up

[celest kindle]

Mitsuru

[inland crystal]

koromaru

[native garden]

So uh…did you pick who to level up or????

[dreamy orchid]

i picked the two who were over 13 levels behind

[native garden]

Ah

[dreamy orchid]

beautiful

[celest kindle]

skill

[native garden]

Oh hell no

Hell naw. I’m triggered

[celest kindle]

Hama True

[native garden]

Disliked and unsubscribed

[dreamy orchid]

gonna fight takaya and jin now ig

[native garden]

Good luck. And let me know how long did it take for you to beat them on your successful attempt

[dreamy orchid]

yeah i'd say aki's pretty good now

[native garden]

Shhh, don’t say that. You’ll summon Kaze no Koe

[ashen pulsar]

"bullshit"

[dreamy orchid]

gaming

[dreamy orchid]

owned hanged man and strega

Scarlet Havoc is too GOATed

Aki/Aigis/Ken is a really strong comp, probably the best team I can use rn

strategically unlearned makarakarn so that tactics will just spam tetrakarn instead cus its more widely useful

[native garden]

Can’t wait to see your take of those fights

[dreamy orchid]

reminds me i need to get to uploading this shit

these are all just sitting here unused rn

[native garden]

And how much space is it taking on your hard drive?

[dreamy orchid]

its in my ssd

46gb lol

[celest kindle]

another boss down

8 mins, not bad

also got Aki's best skill

It was too peak so Xbox Game Bar didn't sc it

[celest kindle]

Bros...

SEES is saved

[dreamy orchid]

sukukaja 🐐

[celest kindle]

The Sukus been kinda goated in MQ tho jokes aside

Not like this is the greatest thing ever but I'm hit way less so I'm getting what i wanted

[native garden]

Yea, it has been. Too bad I’m at a point in my playthrough where Sukukaja and Masukukaja outlived their usefulness

[native garden]

I was expecting that to be at least 150GB or more

[celest kindle]

OBS can make pretty compact videos

[native garden]

I can see why

[dreamy orchid]

nah they kinda suck lol

if you have both masuku on party and sukunda on enemy then its decent but that presupposes having to cast them

evasion cap removal doesn't matter for just sukukaja or just sukunda, only really comes into play when stacking both

[celest kindle]

I mean my party still dodged more than without so i think it helped

Though that was particularly in cases where the enemy could very easily take a real high amount of health from a party or me

[dreamy orchid]

okay, Chidori is a major roadblock on tactics

mostly because Aigis' heal/support priority is kind of broken

She seems to always prioritise Matarukaja over Marakukaja, even in situations where nobody has rakukaja but everybody besides her has tarukaja up

so I keep just getting nuked by Chidori's concentrated magic attacks because i can't really account for the AI just randomly deciding not to co-operate

I may have to rollback my save to unlearn Diarahan too because that also keeps screwing me over

[dreamy orchid]

nevermind, i beat it

had to just play a lot more carefully and make sure i had constant uptime on my buffs

got some nice tetrakarn damage at the start too

my goat lmao

used this too but generally i was just support botting while letting aki do the damage

[native garden]

[dreamy orchid]

i didn't end up needing to but im gonna remove it for primal force when she gets that

[native garden]

Oh you’ve won. Uh…I was like around level 60 when I got past it

[dreamy orchid]

the squad rn

[native garden]

My team was similar to yours but I had Yukari in instead of Ken

[dreamy orchid]

I used Aki/Aigis/Ken but tbh Ken is kinda not the best for this on tactics due to him not actually using tetrakarn on the turn you want him too, and for some reason Chidori only seems to use Neuro Slash once and never again

For tactics patriots i'd probably say Yukari is better but for direct commands def use Ken instead lol

[native garden]

That’s a similar thing I got when I fought ||Chidori|| regarding her Neuro slash

[dreamy orchid]

her magic is scary af without being able to guard tho

[native garden]

I didn’t use Ken in my successful take bc she knows heavy curse attacks and I have a feeling she’ll only use it to target someone’s curse weakness

[native garden]

No guard, no tarunda.

[dreamy orchid]

straight up needed full rakukaja/tarunda up time because guarding isn't an option

only for when she has concentrate tho

you only need one if she doesn't

[native garden]

I just kept her debuffed as much as possible to keep up the damage on her

Also, I let her posion everyone

So that’s way, she will cycle through other ailment hitting moves thanks to Aigis’ insta-heal

And the others can just dodge the other ailment moves bc they’re already poisoned. Good thing posion damage got nerfed

[dreamy orchid]

anyways gang how we feeling about the squad rn, wondering if i should change anything

Will drop Auto-Tarukaja on Aki once I get the materials for Dragon Boots, or when I get Auto-Mataru, whichever comes first

[native garden]

Give Aki is Masukukaja back

[dreamy orchid]

yeah the poison is really beneficial lol

nah masukukaja stays in the bin

[native garden]

[dreamy orchid]

i genuinely do not see a single skill worth replacing for it

[native garden]

Uh…elec Boost?

[dreamy orchid]

its better than diarahan cus it doesn't actively grief me but it still sucks

elec boost is absolutely essential wdym lol

[native garden]

Well, you have to make room for Masukukaja somehow

[dreamy orchid]

he can get boost/amp for both of his affinities if you combine his innate skills and equips

[native garden]

That reminds me. When you see me do the ||Cultiest of the storm|| or ||high Judge of hell||, you’ll gonna cry when you see me change Aki’s abilities

It’s not like I made a bad play

It’s just that it’s a weird set up I was going for

[native garden]

Also, can you edit in sad music for ||the Chidori scenario||? Unavoidable battle doesn’t really fit in there imo

[dreamy orchid]

it does fit

if i were to edit the music i'd just use the original ost lmao

but i can't be bothered to change so vanilla reload music it is

[native garden]

Welp, can’t wait to see your reaction to my ||Chidori|| video when it’s mid September

I still have the raw video file so maybe I’ll send it to you via my Google drive? It’s like a couple GBs i think

[dreamy orchid]

we will not be watching 😎

[native garden]

Exactly. We gonna watch uh…um…I forgor

[native garden]

By the way, I beat ||the Reaper|| last night

Still didn’t unlock the ultimate adversary request because I still need to find the Shadow of the Void and I still need to do the Harabah 2 bosses

[native garden]

I get PTSD every time I see Mediarhan now

[dreamy orchid]

why?

im half tempted to take both mediarama and mediarahan just for out of battle healing shit lol

[native garden]

Did you forget my knee jerk reaction when I saw its SP cost?

#SeventyFiveSP

[native garden]

that’s just gonna be more cursed than me making Aki forget elec boost after ||Justice and Chariot||

[native garden]

Just wait until you have to ||fight 2 of them|| later

[dreamy orchid]

easy af

i was just posting this clip to flex junpei being good lol

[native garden]

Beware of summoning Kaze

[native garden]

Yea, about easy..that took me 12 minutes

Or maybe 15. I need to double check my footage

[dreamy orchid]

doors thinks junpei is the best character tho

which fight is that

the harabah 1 monad fight?

where you fight the three balances?

[native garden]

The ||2 World Balances in Adamah||

[dreamy orchid]

Oh adamah

i'll simply one turn kill them

[native garden]

That one didn’t take me as long but that’s because I got therguies charged before hand

[native garden]

[screams in enduring soul]

[dreamy orchid]

theurgias reset before boss battles in mq

you cannot grind it pre-boss lol

[native garden]

Oh wait, I was thinking about a random Monad door encounter

[dreamy orchid]

koromaru be pissing me off tho fr

[native garden]

Which had a different boss

[dreamy orchid]

why does he think eigaon is better than mudoon

[native garden]

What did doggo do to you?

[dreamy orchid]

is he stupid

[native garden]

Let Koro cook

[dreamy orchid]

let him cook (do zero damage and waste his pitiful sp pool)

he sucks so bad lmao

he's technically nerfed in MQ too since Kougaon/Eigaon had their damage slightly lowered to be in-line with Agidyne/Garudyne

and obviously getsu-ei is mid af now

so he kind of just feels horrible to use to the point where i only ever bring him to do an instakill strat on a boss or to fuck around tbh

would say he's the worst character rn but yukari is also debatably worse

[native garden]

So, you putting tactics Koro in D tier?

[dreamy orchid]

its not tactics

if i had direct commands he'd also suck

he's just bad lol

[native garden]

Koromaru seems sad

[dreamy orchid]

revolution is cracked but he does no damage and never crits himself so like why bother using him when i can bring aki or aigis in his place

[native garden]

He’s good for fire and dark immunity

[dreamy orchid]

bro just don't die

he's not even good in the only fight where fire and dark immunity would be great

cus you can't crit chidori and he does no damage lol

[native garden]

At least he got rizz tho right?

[dreamy orchid]

he's a dog bro

[native garden]

And dogs can be best homies

If Yukari don’t got my back, I know Koro does

[native garden]

God, I can’t wait to fight ||the ultimate adversary|| with Warrior’s Bond playing in the background in Master Quest. Now, how do I prepare for the insta kill traps?

[celest kindle]

Second gold hand !!!

Tartarus started up good

Hoping i didn't forget to save before i had to leave my computer alone for a bit

It turning off has not inspired hope but i'm holding my breath

Ok I'm good

Thank god

Not even a fortune or anything too

[native garden]

Lucky

They always run away from me

[celest kindle]

Gotta kill em quick

I mostly have been using theurgy for that

Or taking advantage of enemies around the gold hands

With Gold Hands you have to be really quick

I think they stay for 1 turn and on the second they bail

So the quicker you can kill them the better

Technically they get 2 turns but u know what i mean

[celest kindle]

Hack n' Blast and Akihiko's Elec Ball this time speaking of

I've been taking less than a a full team a couple of times for a little boost while getting XP

I'd say everybody is about leveled too

[dreamy orchid]

being able to use theurgia in random battles? what a luxury

[celest kindle]

I'm next to the HieroLovers battle

[celest kindle]

Tactics be like that

Pretty sure I might've only gotten like 1 Gold Hand so far if I didn't have Theurgy available

I'd prob have to wait till like mid-to-lategame for that

Ain't like the Gold Hands have a suspiciously convenient weakness to a damage type i happen to have with me

[dreamy orchid]

they're weak to light there iirc

[celest kindle]

Are they now? Hm

I thought they'd be weak to bash

Well strike

Thought that'd be the case but seemed not

I'll test light next time

[native garden]

Good idea

all of my attacks whiffed

[celest kindle]

Sakukaja on the table:

||/j||

Tbh I don't really know what to do abt that other than to get lucky with the Gold Shadow not being alone and having some theurgy meter stocked up for the fight

As far as issues with hitting goes...

Idk maybe get some Ag Incenses and Cadenza ig

Although you're later game so it probably doesn't help much

It's how i went about it at least

But im early as fuck compared to most of this channel so

[native garden]

I just tend to make Yukari use sukunda on it

[native garden]

Man, how long did it take for me to beat the secret boss in this mod? Must’ve been cumulative total of 4 - 5 hours. Damn

Well, at least I got it while playing Warrior’s Bond from Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth in the background

[native garden]

A tier list I made after beating all of the bosses in P3R: Master Quest (v1.08)

[celest kindle]

Might be intended or not worth changing but Fuuka's Heal Theurgy text says "Party recovered some HP" even tho it's basically a full heal

Used a vid bc i didn't have a quick screenshot tool

[iron pilot]

That's vanilla numbers

Lol

Only the SP's touched

[celest kindle]

Yea but it might be worth changing with how much it heals

[celest kindle]

I took a long ass time to get it for no reason

I am freed from Cadenza jail

[native garden]

Dont blame yourself for that. I didnt unlock the theurgy || Best Friends|| until the ||Promised Day|| arc

[celest kindle]

Nah but i should've

[native garden]

Where are you in the story? I’m assuming July?

[celest kindle]

Don't remember the exact date but before HieroLovers

[native garden]

Ahh ok ok

[celest kindle]

I had an opportunity to get a Jack Frost back in Emperor Empress and i got a Pyro Jack soon after that

Tbh the only reason i didn't is cause i wanted to fuse with Personas maxxed out but I'm slowly figuring out that's probably not optimal

[native garden]

Well, once you get the ||Lovers tarot card|| you wouldn’t need to worry too much about that

[celest kindle]

At least the XP boost from repeat persona cards smooths down the process

[celest kindle]

Hmm

Well I'll see

[native garden]

I don’t want to spoil what it does since the mod creator doesn’t want too much spoilers in here but let’s just say it can make your life easier

[celest kindle]

I think i might use today's gaming time for MQ progress

Been too slow

[native garden]

Quick question, what version of MQ are you on? I hope you’re on v1.08 bc that’s the latest build

[celest kindle]

Yeah it's 1.0.8

[native garden]

Good

[hollow trail]

the lovers card is identical to vanilla, though

[celest kindle]

Nother good find in shuffle time while at tartarus

Think i've used my time well between doing some rescues and leveling

everybody's 23-24 (Protag is 24) and now i just have to wait

[celest kindle]

Time for the full moon boss

[celest kindle]

Difficult as expected...

Oof

Gonna have to work on this one for sure

Rn i think I'll try figuring out how to work around the Ghastly Wail setup

That cooked pretty much everyone in my team

Not in one go but yeah

[native garden]

Did you make a Lenanan Sidhe? She can learn ||Me Patra|| which can help

Also, I got past it by just guarding at the right time. Can’t be arsed to pull out my notes rn but guarding prevents getting knocked down and getting hit with an ailment

[dreamy orchid]

why would you spoiler tag me patra

if you have direct commands you don't even need me patra

you can just ailment cure items or yukari's patra

[celest kindle]

No Sidhe but i have 1 Me-Patra Gem and Patra on Yukari as well as protagonist

[dreamy orchid]

just use the patra items that you can buy infinitely at the shop

[celest kindle]

I did try items but at least on this run I haven't gotten very lucky with them

I think I'll mix it up between Yukari when she's able and items

But i think I'll get through

[celest kindle]

Ayyyy i got thru Hierophant

17 mins

[celest kindle]

Man

Now heartbreak got me

Tuff

[celest kindle]

Man Lovers is definitely tougher

On my most (note the use of most) successful runs at least 1 person died to heartbreaker

At least I'm not getting caught by crit Holy Arrow as much

But man Lovers crits and charms very consistently doesn't it?

[native garden]

It’s consistent like in vanilla

[native garden]

that didn’t age well

[celest kindle]

Nono those are unrelated

[celest kindle]

Hmmm i didn't remember much of Vanilla Lovers

MQ Fight is certainly leaving an impression lol

[native garden]

MQ just made it more…noticeable

[dreamy orchid]

the crit is 100%

like it will never not crit unless the recipient is guarding

[celest kindle]

Oh for real?

Didn't know

[native garden]

So uh…did you beat lovers?

[celest kindle]

Nah

Didn't continue trying yesterday lol

But I'll try today

Will have to beat Hiero again but i got it

Will try using buff items less too

I was missing those against Lovers

[native garden]

Well if you can’t get past it, you may as well wait until my video covering the fight is out in mid July

[celest kindle]

I think i can figure it out

Just haven't tried again yet

Decided to get a little more progress done in P4G

[celest kindle]

Today went a little better and a little worse

11 minutes to beat Hiero! (Good)

Aki died. (Not Good)

[celest kindle]

Happened once again.

About 13 minutes to beat Lovers! (Good)

Yukari and Aki died. (Not Good)

Feel pretty accomplished despite that though I'll think abt whether or not i wanna retry

[native garden]

The only boss I think that would take you multiple days to beat would be like ||the ultimate adversary||

[iron pilot]

Skill issue

[celest kindle]

Damn

[native garden]

E X B O S S

[native garden]

Can’t wait for the MQ Any% run that can be done within 13 hours

[celest kindle]

Decided to try and bring Mitsuru for the first Yabbashah Boss but Sand AI loves to target her

And sadly they use magic so it's not like Fuuka's advice of using the Ra + Su kaja nav skill is very reliable

Ironically they actually dodged the first time i made Fuuka use that before the battle but then it stopped working

😢

[dreamy orchid]

just dodge tbh tbh

[celest kindle]

True...

[dreamy orchid]

you can get away with not bringing mitsuru though

[celest kindle]

I need to press the dodge button

Also yeah

[dreamy orchid]

aigis is an obvious pick for the aoe damage, yukari healing is decent and then junpei resists fire while also having aoe

[celest kindle]

Oh yeah those are good

[dreamy orchid]

i'd suggest using bufula and mabufu on mc though probably, that's what i did

you can get by with phys but all out attacks are nice

[celest kindle]

I was running Junpei, Aigis and Mitsuru in this case

Brought Mitsuru because she's kinda low level

I didn't bring her for HieroLovers so she kinda fell behind

[dreamy orchid]

did you not bring her for lovers lol?

[celest kindle]

Nah

[dreamy orchid]

she's like the obvious pick there 😭

[celest kindle]

Wasn't thinking of the second fight

She's level 25 atm though

[dreamy orchid]

25 is more than high enough

[celest kindle]

Main reason I'm bringing her for the boss is so she gets up to speed

[dreamy orchid]

i had her at 21 for hiero/lovers lol

[celest kindle]

Oh I'm not AT HieroLovers I'm already past it

[dreamy orchid]

bring her for the next boss cus there's an ice weakness there

next boss has elec and ice weaknesses so aki/mitsuru are good there

[celest kindle]

I see ty

I'll bring them when i get there then

Going thru Tartarus now bc i have rescues to do

Couldn't really go before bc of track team and some party sls unlocking so i was working on social stats

[dreamy orchid]

i just wait for the last day of the month to do all of tartarus

[celest kindle]

Charm is Maxed, Courage is at 5 and Academics is at 4

[dreamy orchid]

that way you go in with higher SL ranks and more personality bonuses and can rescue everyone at once

[celest kindle]

I usually do 1 boss per day then use the rest for SL stuff but Track Team is a thing

So yeahh

Speaking of I'm on Rank 9 for Kazushi's SL so that's cool

[dreamy orchid]

i feel like you're kinda wasting time slots for no reason doing that

you have zero reason to leave tartarus until you're completely out of sp and have no means of recovering it lol

means your social stat buildup will be slower, though its not as if that's much of a big deal in reload cus they're all so free

[celest kindle]

I guess that's true but boss rushing Tartarus seems kinda boring

Plus idk the rescue deadlines so

[dreamy orchid]

all of the deadlines are the next full moon

none of them are dynamic lol

[celest kindle]

Ah

[dreamy orchid]

you can safely just go on the last day before the boss on every single month

[celest kindle]

Good to know

I think I'll try that if i happen to be tight on time at any point

[native garden]

Hold up, did you get past lovers? If so, how long did it take for you to beat it?

[atomic swallow]

Said it here when i did it

Jet

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Mark_Zer0

About 13 minutes to beat Lovers! (Good)

Jump

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[celest kindle]

13 mins for Lovers, 11 for Hiero

[native garden]

Oh…I overlooked that

[celest kindle]

Unfortunately Aki and Yukari both died and Aki specifically died on both fights

[native garden]

Yea, you need to level up those cats immediately to make up for the lost EXP

[celest kindle]

I got lucky actually

Coincidentally when i went to Tartarus i got a clock spawn

So Yukari and Aki are now caught up

[native garden]

“Perhaps Lady Luck [was] on your side”

[celest kindle]

Only one left is Mitsuru

Which is why i brought her to Yabbashaah boss 1

I still have to kill that one though

[native garden]

Good. Still, probably not a good idea to bring her to that boss because one of them spams fire iirc and Mitsuru would just get nuked immediately

[dreamy orchid]

hierophant was 6 mins for me

tactics op 💪

[celest kindle]

Damn

[native garden]

Hopium

I call cap

Pics or it didn’t happen Chief

[celest kindle]

I didn't exactly get the strat exactly for Hiero or Lovers other than both trying to go for charming Yukari on the their first turn

[dreamy orchid]

look at the time

[celest kindle]

I'd maybe retry but i kinda

Overwrote my save

So uh

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-nope-gif-21451747

[celest kindle]

💥

[native garden]

Do you want my lovers save?

[celest kindle]

Nah but ty for offering

[dreamy orchid]

no need to optimise boss fights tbh unless you're like me and actively roll back your save after october 4th just to get a cleaner strength/fortune run for the camera

[native garden]

Or for memes

Like, “Can you beat: Persona 3 Reload Master Quest with Jack Frost only?”

[dreamy orchid]

only time i replay a boss after beating it is if i'd prefer a different xp split on my party or like if i missplayed enough to where it annoys me

[dreamy orchid]

you could easily cus with one persona you can grind arcade lol

it'd be easier than a normal playthrough

[native garden]

I don’t know if it would be easier than a normal playthrough. In some instances it would but it other instances it would be harder imo

[dreamy orchid]

you get 99 str/ma really early

final boss would ig be harder but like everything else would be easier

[native garden]

Brining Mitsuru for ||Lovers?|| I don’t know about that match up

[dreamy orchid]

She's better than Aki for it

[native garden]

But Lovers know fire…and Mitsuru is weak to fire

[dreamy orchid]

Junpei's crit rate on theurgia is shit now so lining up her theurgia with his on direct commands is really good

[dreamy orchid]

just tank or dodge lol?

[native garden]

Ok

“Fire evasion low”

[dreamy orchid]

sukunda and sukukaja

[native garden]

I would tank it better with Aki’s tarunda

[dreamy orchid]

i just tarunda with mc

[native garden]

[dreamy orchid]

mitsuru does more damage than aki at that point due to bufula and the freeze is lowkey pretty useful for junpei

its a lot better on direct commands tho

on direct commands there's like zero reason to bring aki over her lol

[native garden]

If only my take of lovers went that smooth

[native garden]

If only you told me that before my first blind playthrough through vanilla

[dreamy orchid]

my lovers fight wasn't smooth but i did win lol

it was like 15 mins for me

[native garden]

Didn’t everyone on your team got knocked out except the MC

[dreamy orchid]

oh on vanilla its irrelevant

aki may even be better there cus you can't freeze in vanilla

but like you want mc for damage there so the rakunda is nice

[native garden]

I need to double check my take. I know my full take was 28 mins but that’s only because I included the scenes before and after the fight

[native garden]

The Rakunda does help but I ended up relying more on tarunda than Rakunda iirc

[celest kindle]

I used MC with Raksasha in some attempts for Damage

Getsu-Ei got hands 🥶

It was mainly Fatal End before Lovers though

[native garden]

I would’ve use Get-Su Ei if MQ didn’t nerf that move to the ground that I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s power is literally set to 1

Like base power 1 x 1.25x when a full moon or something like that

[celest kindle]

Nah you kinda tweaking it does nice damage

Though i did also have

Slash Boost

[native garden]

let’s not forget Fuuka griefed me with a SP heal that did absolutely nothing

[native garden]

Maybe it does with some passives that boost slash skills but I still don’t think it’s worth bringing in this mod imo. Until like after 10/4

[dreamy orchid]

the full moon boost wasn't changed

in master quest the skill is like 85 power, with up to 1.75x boost on full moons

its not super op anymore but it still has a pretty sizeable advantage over magic for that point in the game

[celest kindle]

That's the main draw of those phys skills

Good damage based on moon phases

[dreamy orchid]

zan-ei sucks but getsu-ei is pretty useful

i much prefer multihit skills in master quest tho tbh especially cus all the good ones are aoe

[celest kindle]

That's fair

[native garden]

Multi hit moves like swift strike? Idk. I prefer consistent multi target skills but that’s just me

[celest kindle]

Swift Strike is Multi-Hit and Multi Target

And I didn't have any issues with it

[native garden]

shit, I’m having a brian fart moment

[celest kindle]

Aigis and the Mithras i fused hit pretty consistently

[dreamy orchid]

swift strike is aight but arrow rain is much better

[native garden]

Swift strike is multi hit and multi target but like some times it hit someone 2x and other times, it hit someone 1x

[dreamy orchid]

multihit works out as being better on average, especially in master quest where crit rates are stagnant

multihits also scale with sukukaja in p3k lol

like, the amount of hits is influenced by accuracy/evasion buffs/debuffs

[celest kindle]

Was hit count based on luck in other games?

[native garden]

Huh. If only I learned that before beating the final boss in the mod

[dreamy orchid]

no lol

in the other games its pure rng

[celest kindle]

Ah

[dreamy orchid]

by that point its kinda irrelevant

ig you could use akasha arts but tbh heaven's blade is probably the best attacking skill

if i get around to finishing it after vengeance then i'll probably fuse personas for all elements with invigorates lol lmao

[native garden]

maybe also bring spell master?

[dreamy orchid]

why wouldn't i

severes in p3n cost more than barion spells in smt v lmao

[native garden]

I wouldn’t bring spell master in vanilla since I can just use a soma or precious egg any time I want

and in MQ; I can only eat a ||chocolate cake||

[dreamy orchid]

im doing no items run lol

[native garden]

So not only no direct commands but no items?

[dreamy orchid]

items are bitchmade and not necessary for real patriots...

[native garden]

Fact checkers say this is false

[dreamy orchid]

so far i had to use items in one (1) fight only cus it felt nearly impossible without them cus of tactics

if i had direct commands i could go itemless but i think maintaining tactics only is better

[native garden]

I hope you jotted down all of the moments of AI stupidity

[dreamy orchid]

biggest grief so far was shinjiro

useless ass party member, glad he's gone

[native garden]

Akihiko disliked that

[dreamy orchid]

aki got better now that he's gone tho!

[native garden]

But Shinji was Aki’s homie tho

You can’t just diss someone’s homie

[native garden]

Late Obligatory: Congratulations for beating one of the bosses everyone hated in Vanilla and in MQ ||it didn’t do anyone favors||

[dreamy orchid]

its easy af in vanilla

i killed it in like 2 or 3 turns

[native garden]

Not without get-su ei

[celest kindle]

On an unrelated note

I got the +3 to all stats katana from Mayoido Lady

Hoping i can utilize crafting better this playthrough

[dreamy orchid]

fuse the +5 ma armour for the girls

then just fuse anything with an elemental booster for a character

[celest kindle]

I've been kinda confused on that for a little but how do you get a recipe to make a weapon that has elemental damage?

The ones available to me seemed to be just Ailment or Stat weapons

[dreamy orchid]

you get them later

[celest kindle]

First Yabbashah Boss and First Monad Boss done

https://youtu.be/OmU5Dg6thKU

I've been hit with terminal lazy though so imma just have this one

[native garden]

[Studio audience applause]

[native garden]

Any time I use Get-su Ei in this mod, it’s like Oni telling the MC to [uninstall Persona 3]

[celest kindle]

Do remember Getsu-Ei is more powerful the closer you are to a full moon

So if you wanna get the most out of it you can plan around that

[celest kindle]

Took longer than i anticipated but not too shabby

think i oughta be ready for the boss

[celest kindle]

@hollow trail uhhhh

Shadow has given up

Not in the video but i tried attacking it later and it still did that

[hollow trail]

how fucking long did you drag it out for this to even be possible

hit it with a theurgia man

[celest kindle]

the full video is 6:32 minutes long

[hollow trail]

ok but like

why are you not hitting the tank with a theurgy

thats literally the only way to get it to separate

this is vanilla behavior

[celest kindle]

i was building up theurgy with everyone before i went and spammed it with shit

so it got like that bc i didn't use theurgy and separate it

damn

[hollow trail]

that's... stupid? it regenerates all its HP before you can do that

like yes i get you this is bugged but you only found the bug because you're doing the battle in an extremely weird way

i'll fix it whenever i can

[celest kindle]

boss was tanky and healing so i thought i'd dish out a lot of dmg to get it to do smth

but ty then

[hollow trail]

a single theurgy separates it

it can literally be 1 dmg

if its theurgy it breaks

[celest kindle]

ic ic

I guess i used Theurgy earlier back in Vanilla so i didn't catch it bc of that

[hollow trail]

im p sure the bug is only in MQ its just that naturally you'd never run into it because you want to separate it asap

in tank form it just full heals if you stall

[celest kindle]

Yeah

Is that the work of regenerate or something else

Since it does look like the tank is taking a turn to regen when it bugs

[dreamy orchid]

its gonna outheal your damage anyways at that rate lol

[iron pilot]

Building up Theurgia for the start makes sense to me

When you haven't done a single thing yet

[celest kindle]

Wym?

[iron pilot]

Didn't split them up yet

Make everyone build up

Then go all out when everybody's tank is full

[celest kindle]

Oh

Yea that was kind of what i was thinking about

[iron pilot]

I do find this odd though but it is a bug from the mod

I beat this fight no theurgia in vanilla lmao

[native garden]

I know you said you’ll fix the bug soon but like…a bug is still a bug regardless if it’s found in a weird way or not

[native garden]

MQ ||Justice and Chariot|| be like: I wanna go home

[native garden]

I know. It gets better with passives like slash boost, slash amp, crit rate amp, etc. it just that…by the time Get-su ei gets better in this mod; I already dropped it and would much rather use magic on MC or have MC be support with a comp of physical attackers with ||Ken|| on heal duty.

[native garden]

I already beaten the mod a couple of days (or weeks? I lost count) but thx

[hollow trail]

does MQ have any "annoying = difficulty" changes

i've gone to huge lengths to make sure it's not similar to other mods doing random shit like randomized affinities on every battle/fake affinities etc

[celest kindle]

Not really no

[iron pilot]

Say skill issue

Really it actually reduced grinding in a lot of respects

[celest kindle]

None of the changes ever struck me as annoying, it just did what it set out to do which was making the game more challenging