Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest

[hollow trail]

duping materials makes the antiques so much better

[iron pilot]

The 4 samurais are interesting as fuck

Idk why that demons over shadows mod made them 3 archangels + metatron

It should have been 4 heavenly kings

Or at least use Michael instead of Metatron

Cockturne reference be damned

[dreamy orchid]

should've done regen stacking for maximum funniness tbh

Shinji's health is so high lol

[native garden]

But the trade off is the removal of skill card duping which I’m still a little mix on. Maybe it would be better endgame when getting the ultimate weapons and null elements accessories but idk

[iron pilot]

That's the point

Learn to fuse mf

[native garden]

[iron pilot]

Oh c'mon it's not that bad

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3210082034

Here, have this

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/mi-hanno-messo-windows11-gif-22714376

[iron pilot]

Skill issue

I like how I got that ss when Igor fucked up an accident

Funniest shit ever

[native garden]

Oh yea, precious eggs suck because ||they only recover 50% SP instead of all of your SP…fffffff||

[iron pilot]

Use them

[native garden]

I have no reason to use them until November and I’m in August

[iron pilot]

Bro tf do you mean

You can use them now

You literally have no reason to keep them

[native garden]

I know I’ll need them later

[iron pilot]

Your ass can't use them in battle

[native garden]

But I can use it in a scenario where it has 1 battle and another battle after that one

[iron pilot]

I'd argue only this with Cookie/Champagne/Cake

[iron pilot]

escape route after fight

save

[hollow trail]

50% is very good

being less powerful doesn't make something bad

[native garden]

A BOSS fight, not a random encounter

[iron pilot]

Wot, you can literally do this with any of the consecutive guardian fights

[hollow trail]

yeah you can go back on those rushes with escape route

and hiero/lovers + strega/hanged are the only "consecutive" no heal fights in the game

[native garden]

But I don’t have that skill. I’m on the first half of Tartarus Block 3

[iron pilot]

You can do this earlier with those traesto gems they gave

[left spear]

IM SO FUCKING DUMB FOR NOT THINKING OF THIS LMAOOOO

[hollow trail]

ye traesto works too

i sold mine actually

😋

[native garden]

And how many revival beads and balms of life did you sell?

[hollow trail]

yes

[native garden]

Understandable, have a nice [evening]

[hollow trail]

they're junk items

so i sell all

ofc

[native garden]

Just reading the description for the revival beads and balms of life put me on massive Copium so I refused to sell all of them

[iron pilot]

No, dizzy AI cannot use them.

[native garden]

You might be right but considering how precious eggs and somas are extremely rare items and their effective got nerfed. It does beg to question if it’s even worth using them on the field

[iron pilot]

Yeah it is

You literally don't use them in vanilla lmao

[dreamy orchid]

real ones simply don't run out of sp

have better economy bro

[native garden]

Except I did use somas in vanilla. Not everyone but there are people out there that do

[native garden]

Sorry, too busy recovering from the great SP depression from 2024

||17 SP media my beloved||

[dreamy orchid]

healing apex

[iron pilot]

Lmao you fucking suck

[iron pilot]

You'll get fucked by Takaya if you don't have the play in mind

Thinking of it

Will people think he's a filter now

[hollow trail]

they already do for vanilla

so maybe

[iron pilot]

How???

[hollow trail]

some people skill issue to quietus

[iron pilot]

Bro's too squishy there even with magic

[steel nebula]

The more I follow this thread, the more y'all ruin vanilla Reload for me.

[hollow trail]

oops

[steel nebula]

Please continue 👍

[hollow trail]

lolll

bet

[iron pilot]

That's the intention, yes

Lmao

[dreamy orchid]

okay, just done hermit

fight went fine, Akihiko and Ken carried, Shinjiro was useless

he went from spamming bloody charge fatal end to not even using bloody charge later on lmao

also did 1000 damage with king and i which was funny

[steel nebula]

A few weeks ago I suggested a few tweaks in another thread. But now I've seen the light, they were trash. Just gonna play this mod instead.

[iron pilot]

Crit Shinjiro theurgia is 1.5K with crit iirc

[dreamy orchid]

for me it was 700 with crit

base power got nerfed remember

[iron pilot]

Oh was it?

[dreamy orchid]

yea

[iron pilot]

I thought it was like

[dreamy orchid]

also i had the wrong equip on shinjiro lol

[iron pilot]

Not nerfed (emphasizing how goated Shinjiro is)

[dreamy orchid]

i was supposed to run +5 str but i was running +1 lu lol

shinji is also only level 39 for me

[iron pilot]

That makes sense

[dreamy orchid]

its basically impossible to level him in yabbashah lol and i wanted gigantic fist akihiko

i'd have been better off taking mitsuru instead tbh but shinji is funny

Aki was goated tbh, Haxman real?

He would've looked a lot worse if Shinji actually used his strong moves, but all blud knows is fatal end

oh wait

my accessory on Shinji was strike bracers

i bought him strike boost and he still uses fucking fatal end

[iron pilot]

Issue of skill

[dreamy orchid]

tactics moment

inb4 there was an update which fixed this which reloaded just didn't install for me

thoth was goated tho

common egypt W?

[inland crystal]

I need to get back to my mq run, I haven't even gotten to Priestess yet 😭 I've been kinda burnt out on p3n recently

[dreamy orchid]

priestess is still the hardest thing so far tbh

doing that one on tactics is a nightmare

[iron pilot]

Technically Trismegistus is Hermes imbued with Thoth's knowledge

This is emphasizing how goated Junpei is

[dreamy orchid]

it was funny af tho

Ken was hitting double the damage Shinji was

lmaooo

And then Aki did double what Ken was doing

[iron pilot]

Soz mate I'm doing Mothman karns

[dreamy orchid]

Karns is krill issue

requires items (L)

[iron pilot]

Nah it's good, will shock hermit trust

Also yeah it needs items if you use Akihiko

[dreamy orchid]

at level 40 i don't think you can get makarakarn on anyone besides amada

[iron pilot]

Exactly

[dreamy orchid]

yea so it always requires items

[iron pilot]

Your wonder boy's doing the work

Huh?

[dreamy orchid]

[iron pilot]

No I don't need karn items

[dreamy orchid]

in mq you only get to like level 40 before the boss

so no makarakarn or okuninushi

[iron pilot]

Yeah but Mothman has repel elec

[dreamy orchid]

oh it does?

[iron pilot]

Yeah

[dreamy orchid]

pog

ig if you run amada on heal/support constantly then its kosher

or direct commands

i just had him on full assault tho tbh given how he hits harder than shinjiro lmao

also sp is a bit tight there and makarakarn is twice the cost of kougaon

repel seems goated tho

i should try it out

do you just need elec break and karns?

rakunda too i suppose

[iron pilot]

Yeah but Ken and Mitsuru does the other two

[dreamy orchid]

True

[iron pilot]

Elec break iirc is on take mikazuchi

[dreamy orchid]

Aki is def goated for doing the fight normally tho

[iron pilot]

But you can just card that in

[dreamy orchid]

he can do elec break tho technically

[iron pilot]

Oh yeah that's true

[dreamy orchid]

but ig elec break isn't helpful for the first half of the fight

so rakunda is more versatile

aki with rakunda item is probs best then tbh

[iron pilot]

Well you can also argue for guaranteed crits with freeze

Mitsuru + Shinjiro is a good pair too

[dreamy orchid]

oh damn i have no rakunda items

[iron pilot]

Zamn

[dreamy orchid]

i have 10 matarukaja's and 4 matarundas, but no marakundas

[iron pilot]

Buff amp boy reference

[dreamy orchid]

shits good

i'd sell these but i want to make a collection

[dreamy orchid]

king and i does this already tho tbf

And Aki just hits like a truck at this point

[native garden]

Oh yea, i got that after ||Lovers||

[dreamy orchid]

King and I was goated af btw. Like 1000 damage when concentrated and it has 50% freeze lmao

[iron pilot]

Scheduling issue

I got buff amp healing apex and crit boost at that point

[dreamy orchid]

i had healing master for that

for me i had crit amp, buff boost and healing master

[iron pilot]

I would trade crit boost with amp instead for this since y'know

[native garden]

Healing master? Is that one that reduce healing spell cost by 75%

[dreamy orchid]

healing master is 50%

apex is 75%

[native garden]

Oh

[dreamy orchid]

i had apex for yabbashah tho

was goated

[native garden]

Hold up, I did Yukari’s episodes of cooking and watching movies with her so that should mean…

[dreamy orchid]

yukari is the goat at spamming media in random encounters and out of battle but being benched for bosses

we love the goat

shes my lowest leveled rn lol

[native garden]

Next to Junpei, Aigis, and Koro

God level disparity still gets on my nerves

[iron pilot]

Just use clock

How it's intended to be

[dreamy orchid]

dw we'll be benching koromaru

his level is irrelevant

he already has his best skill, no reason to level him up anymore tbh

[inland crystal]

you should've seen my first run, everyone was level 99 except for mitsuru who was like 29

[native garden]

It has its limits still

[native garden]

HUH

[dreamy orchid]

optimal tbh

[native garden]

Nah nah. Not the Empress

She has rizz

[inland crystal]

she wasn't available on the day I grinded everyone to level 99

[native garden]

And which day was that

[inland crystal]

uhhh

after 11/4

[native garden]

How did you get everyone to level 99 on that day (in vanilla)?

[iron pilot]

The real W is not wasting time on Akihiko at all

[inland crystal]

reaper farming

[native garden]

But the reaper is too strong for you at that point still and it’s way too early to get Liz request to beat that guy

[inland crystal]

I beat the reaper in September in my first run and was level 99 for the rest of the game

I beat him at level 49

[dreamy orchid]

Don't diss the HAXMAN

He gets apt pupil soon which might be goated

[native garden]

Who gets apt pupil in this mod?

[dreamy orchid]

same as in vanilla

aki gets apt pupil gloves around tziah

[native garden]

Ah. Brains too fried rn

[dreamy orchid]

Kaiser Knuckles

[native garden]

Oh right. Yea yea

[iron pilot]

Honestly I'd take raw damage still

[dreamy orchid]

nah you get both

Strike Bracers + Kaiser Knuckles

this is before the strike amp gloves

[iron pilot]

That's true but elec amp is also an option

[dreamy orchid]

just give him Shinji's strike bracers after he takes a hike

[iron pilot]

This is nearing when he starts being goated

[dreamy orchid]

I'd just alternate depending on the scenario tbh

[native garden]

||He ain’t taking a hike tho, he’s taking a long dirt nap||

[dreamy orchid]

in MQ, Theurgia spam isn't too viable cus usually by the time i've charged it, i've already killed the boss lol

but maybe jiodhain with elec amp will be goated

rn tho im preferring phys

[native garden]

Lucky

[dreamy orchid]

phys goated the whole way through bro

magic is better for like, thebel

then in arqa its pretty even

[iron pilot]

Aigis' theurgia didn't get any change right

[dreamy orchid]

rn its even too but i find phys convenient, fits my playstyle more

[dreamy orchid]

yea its the same iirc

might have the 1% crit thing tho idk

[iron pilot]

Ywha it has that but base wise

[native garden]

Nah. Balance between magic and phys. One can’t overpower the other

[dreamy orchid]

its 100 base still

and her second one is 250 still

shinji's got lowered to 250 and junpei got lowered to 200

[native garden]

actually, fuck balance. I’m on team Wisdom

[dreamy orchid]

so far in terms of phys/ma its like

i don't really like agi/garu/kouha/eiha

but zio and bufu can be pretty nice

[iron pilot]

I think the intent was that magic is supposed to be "better" damage wise but is more costly to use while phys is secondary but more sustainable

I think it only feels that way on endgame though

[dreamy orchid]

currently just using black frost for magic and then Jikokuten and Girimekhala for kill button

[iron pilot]

Theurgia wise

Phys and Mag are exactly the same on protag

Assuming everything is loaded in

[dreamy orchid]

rn phys tends to be quite a bit better when it crits but magic is more consistent for accuracy and aoa

i don't think phys needs damage nerfs tho

[iron pilot]

Yeah same I think it's fine this way

[dreamy orchid]

rn i think its in a decent place and like you don't wanna run the risk of making things too spongey

so far my biggest issue if you can call it that with MQ is just that sometimes enemies can feel a bit too tanky. like i already know the outcome but its just taking a bit longer to get there

thats mainly the case with tartarus and not the story bosses tho

[iron pilot]

If boss fights starting at yabasshah is taking more than 3 mins to complete with DC on I think that's a W by itself

[native garden]

Only with the guardians? And not on any of the full moon bosses?

[dreamy orchid]

the full moon bosses are def longer here but it doesn't feel egregious cus the AI is actually changed and i'm given more freedom with new strats

whereas tartarus is basically unchanged besides skill and damage multiplier differences so sometimes it feels a bit of a slog. especially with tactics AI not recognising which moves are good or not lol

[native garden]

Oh. You trying to beat the mod without direct commands. Well, my experience with the full moon bosses is it’s like bashing head into a wall but learning things during the process

So it’s kinda…interesting? Doesn’t help that’s there’s so much down time in between story bosses

[dreamy orchid]

the full moon bosses are definitely manageable, especially assuming you have direct commands cus like guarding exists

[native garden]

I was about to say Hierophant took 1 attempt but I had tor redo the fight bc shadow play ended the recording abruptly

[dreamy orchid]

if you're any decent at persona then it should be manageable. def harder than base game or really most of everything in p3-5 but hardly impossible

[dreamy orchid]

hierophant kicked my ass initially with ghastly wail cus i didn't have patra shit and yukari almost never uses hers lol

[native garden]

I’m more of waiting for the impossible part to come in since MQ is kinda new mod. Like I’m waiting for a boss to either: crash the game, soft lock the game, or it’s so badly reworked that it needed to be nerfed

[dreamy orchid]

but when i went in with me patra i did it first try

[native garden]

Ah

That sucks

[dreamy orchid]

so far everything is good

[native garden]

I just had to guard and predict when the ailment move is coming

[dreamy orchid]

my only issue thus far has been fucking tactics being ass at times lol

but learning to overcome the bad AI or no guarding limitation is interesting and fun in its own way

[native garden]

#BlameAtlus

[dreamy orchid]

you get resist fear/charm gear by that point so imo put those on protag

i did that and i almost never got inflicted

[native garden]

Resist fear kinda sucks tho bc it only reduces the chance of getting hit by fear by 50% so if no one is guarding, half the squad can get hit with fear

and resist charm is completely worthless for lovers

[dreamy orchid]

just me patra

resist charm ain't worthless either

sexy dance isn't 100% chance lol

[errant pumice]

AI is not TAS moments.

I have internally yelled at Akihiko/Yukari before for making dumb moves but it seems like AI tactics is being updated, lol.

[native garden]

Just wait until you see my outtake where everyone got charmed and died from heartbreaker in a month from now

[errant pumice]

So who knows what the AI would be in 3 months

[native garden]

3 months later

Damn, the AI got too advanced. Pls nerf

[errant pumice]

But even being regular AI, they still do stupid shit but that’s okay because I can recover from that

…usually

[dreamy orchid]

so far the real griefers are Shinjiro and Koromaru lmao

[errant pumice]

Koromaru when no weakness: “aight imma revolution then guard”

[dreamy orchid]

Aigis also has had some funny moments where she uses rakukaja over tarukaja despite everyone having defense buff up already

[dreamy orchid]

no that'd be nice actually

[native garden]

“A good defense is a good offense, as they say”

[dreamy orchid]

his real issue is that fucking

he thinks eiha is better than mudo

despite it very clearly not being better!

[errant pumice]

Oh, him trying to spam the instakill attacks?

[dreamy orchid]

stop doing like 20 damage then passing to me bro just instakill

no my issue is he isn't using instakills lol

i might manually unlearn all his damage dealing dark skills so he's forced to instakill

also meovv give the dog mudo boost i dare you

[native garden]

Shhh be careful of what you wish for

[dreamy orchid]

He has it in FES!

[iron pilot]

dog

[errant pumice]

I have the opposite issue actually, but only when weakness isn’t discovered

[native garden]

Don’t forget that Lovers know Seductive breath that increases the chance of charm inflicting by 1.5x

[iron pilot]

oh is it a don't scan moment

[dreamy orchid]

Koro will never use instakills on full assault btw

[errant pumice]

So I have your issue but only when weakness is learned

[iron pilot]

bro that's literally like FES frfr

[dreamy orchid]

its an act freely thing

eiha and mudo being the same affinity is so ass tho

cus the AI has to decide which one is better when a weakness is there and they always seem to guess wrong!

[errant pumice]

So in summary: Koro will never use insta kill moves when the weakness is learned I’m assuming?

Cause the whole point of using instakill moves as well is using it on a weakness that is known

[dreamy orchid]

i don't know if that's true, partly it seems to depend on amount of enemies

if multiple enemies are weak to dark, he seems to like doing mamudo

if there is multiple enemies but only one is, he tends to do maeiga

and if there is only one enemy weak to it, he does eiga

[errant pumice]

Ah, I see

[dreamy orchid]

on act freely he also always does mamudo to check dark rather than maeiga

but on full assault he doesn't

[errant pumice]

I’m wondering

How on earth do you activate Shinjiro’s bloody charge on Tactics? I have never seen him using that move once in his life

[dreamy orchid]

he will sometimes do it on full assault

he tends to always do it until he randomly decides to not want to anymore

[native garden]

I guess the tactics AI still struggle to use certain buffs

[dreamy orchid]

i think he stops doing it if like

[iron pilot]

it always did in FES

[dreamy orchid]

he stacks it too many times

[errant pumice]

So switch Shinjiro to Full Assault to fix that issue then?

[dreamy orchid]

i'd say only ever use him on full assault

he has no real support skills and hits hard, so full assault is obvious pick

[hollow trail]

? could've pinged me, Full Assault fix is clearly nonfunctional then

[iron pilot]

remember that Shinjiro's default tactic is full assault in OG

goated

[errant pumice]

Since Shinjiro really doesn’t have any buffs/debuffs or heals, so full assault it is. lol

[dreamy orchid]

oh i forgor sorry

but yea he just spammed fatal end idk

what is the current release version?

[native garden]

1.07 iirc

[dreamy orchid]

mine is 1.0.7

[hollow trail]

1.0.7

[dreamy orchid]

yea

then ig it just didn't work lol

aigis fixes work tho

[hollow trail]

ok

[dreamy orchid]

she does arrow rain now and will actually use dekunda

[hollow trail]

i think I know what's up

[dreamy orchid]

so shes good

[hollow trail]

I'm forcing aoe function but aoe function is still returning "don't do it mf"

[dreamy orchid]

oh lmao

[hollow trail]

probably because game checks twice for number of enemies

either that or shinji is a pussy and won't aoe on low hp

if that's the case, unfixable

unless

i removed all hp safety limiters

[dreamy orchid]

no he had full hp

[hollow trail]

i did that for p5

[native garden]

Put respect on my bois name

[hollow trail]

Ryuji would also not phys at low hp so I removed all limiters and now he does

[dreamy orchid]

its not a hp thing cus if he's too low to use phys he either basic attacks or guards lol

[iron pilot]

story relevant change?????

[dreamy orchid]

if you drop an update for this tho can you also add in the junpei torrent shot thing

[hollow trail]

ig

[dreamy orchid]

to make him prioritise it over assault dive when weakness isn't present

[errant pumice]

Maybe after a while, I’ll ask in here again of what’s the AI tactics meta for each character is.

[native garden]

I don’t think a tactics meta will ever be discovered

It never was in FES. Just based on the situation in battle

Same rules apply here in vanilla tactics and MQ tactics

[errant pumice]

Mitsuru when Marin Karin in FES

[native garden]

||and this is why I will not bring her to chariot and justice||

[errant pumice]

I guess I should’ve phrased “meta” into “what settings makes the ai do the least amount of dumb stuff”

[iron pilot]

lmao

[dreamy orchid]

So far for me with MQ Tactics its like

Yukari: Act Freely or Heal/Support, Full Assault or Conserve SP if she's griefing you early game with dia spam
Junpei: Basically always Full Assault lol, Act Freely if you want him to shift early game
Mitsuru: Heal/Support if Rakunda isn't up, Act Freely if it is
Akihiko: Full Assault/Conserve SP for Phys, Act Freely for Magic, Heal/Support for healing and buffs
Aigis: Also basically always Full Assault, but use Heal/Support if you want buff skills and Act Freely if you want her to be able to use Dia skills
Koromaru: Heal/Support when Revolution isn't up or you want Power Howling, otherwise Act Freely
Ken: Honestly anything works lol, but Heal/Support will prioritise karns over healing unless several people are low since he only has AoE
Shinji: Full Assault.

[errant pumice]

Shinjiro and Junpei will be set under Heal/Support

I’m kidding, but thank you for the huge explanation of it! I’m saving that in my notes

[dreamy orchid]

Junpei Heal/Support isn't useless tho tbh

Cus that's when he'll use Rakukaja

the targeting is random tho so i don't really recommend using it

[dreamy orchid]

@hollow trail think i spotted a big oversight in MQ tactics btw

I genuinely don't think they can use recarm skills now lol

Had Yukari on Heal/Support with everyone at full HP but Akihiko dead, and she did Sukunda over it and then the turn after that did Garula over it

So I'm convinced she just cannot use the skill

[hollow trail]

healing is higher priority than recarm

[dreamy orchid]

she didn't heal tho

[hollow trail]

then idk

[dreamy orchid]

she did sukunda and attacking lol

[hollow trail]

cba to check rn

can't, actually

later tonight

[dreamy orchid]

gotcha

[hollow trail]

makes no sense though

[native garden]

I think my MQ saves are bricked bc I tried saving right before the segment leading to ||Chariot and Justice|| and the save worked but the game lagged uncontrollably for a few seconds. I exited out of the game after saving and now Steam is unable to sync my saves with the cloud server

Maybe that Nvidia game driver update broke something

Nvm the saves still work

[native garden]

Late comment but there’s no way to get Me Patra before lovers. Not in vanilla nor in Master Quest

[iron pilot]

Nah you can

Leanan sidhe

[native garden]

really?

Oh that persona I got from a card drop

Still, Yukari doesn’t get Me Patra until well after Hierophant and Lovers so that doesn’t count

[iron pilot]

Yeah it does

Just use protag

[native garden]

Maybe I could’ve done before fighting Hierophant but I’m already past that fight now

Finished ||Chariot and Justice||

[celest kindle]

I mean

Even if you can't use Yukari for Me Patra she has Patra

If you find it essential to have Me Patra you can just put protagonist on Me Patra Duty like Doors suggests

[native garden]

Even then, I would lose too many turns healing ailments and I don’t want to end using too many items because Master Quest already heavily discouraged item usage

[native garden]

Again, thx for the tip but I’m well past that fight now

[celest kindle]

❓❓❓❓❓❓❓

[dreamy orchid]

Leanan Sidhe and Zorro

[celest kindle]

Item Usage is not discouraged in MQ

[dreamy orchid]

Anyways, just beat Strength/Fortune

[native garden]

Yes it is. You can’t use most healing items and revival items

[celest kindle]

❓❓❓❓❓❓

You can

Just off-battle

[dreamy orchid]

fun boss even if the flat 300 health damage is by far the scariest thing it can do

[celest kindle]

More often than not you're encouraged to use items to balance your SP usage

[native garden]

Which is a huge issue in of itself. Which makes me question if it’s even worth spending money to use healing items I can’t use when I need it the most

[dreamy orchid]

the vast majority of items are still usable in battle in master quest

[dreamy orchid]

don't buy them just use the ones you find imo

buying items is always a scam if you're good enough at the game

[native garden]

#FunTimesAttheroulettewheel

[native garden]

Which is what I was doing

[celest kindle]

You can prob get by decently enough just getting shit from dungeons

Hell i barely buy shit and i get thru fine

[celest kindle]

You still have the risk-reward item available

I guess they do fall off as you progress more but by that point you have better healing

So like

[native garden]

Muscle drink and odd morsel I’m assuming

[celest kindle]

[native garden]

#divinegracemediaramamybeloved

[celest kindle]

With Muscle Drink being the more available one yes

[celest kindle]

Healing's healing

[native garden]

I swear muscle drink is a parody of meal replacement shake

[celest kindle]

Just know how to manage your SP or survive enough in battle and you're Golden (Persona 4)

[native garden]

Same thing I’ve been doing since starting the mod. Except now ||Hermit|| is going to be a bit interesting

also SP increasing equipment my beloved

[dreamy orchid]

Personally i like the no healing items thing

its fun

Anyways bros

I think Aki might unironically be the mvp in MQ lmao

Bro did like 350 damage gigantic fist crit into 500 damage theurgia lmao

[native garden]

don’t say that around Kaze no Koe

[dreamy orchid]

mc hits harder but i can combo aki into freeze cus of turn economy

funny af

aki feels like the op temporary party member while shinji feels like a regular guy

[native garden]

But you do what happens to Shinji after strength and fortune right??

[dreamy orchid]

Well yea the fraud gets put on fraudwatch

and haxman gets yet another buff

[iron pilot]

me ranting about Akihiko sucking cock is how he got single target boost

[native garden]

On one hand, it is like trying to ride a bike without training wheels for the first time. On the other hand, there’s so many fallacies I can point out with a restriction like that where I could write an entire novel about it. And I ain’t doing that until I beat the final boss in this mod

[iron pilot]

you should thank me

[dreamy orchid]

Aki mostly feels so good also because other op shit got toned down

so he sticks out more as an actual hard hitter now that you can't just getsu-ei everything

and single-target boost goes crazy lmao

[native garden]

Thank you for introducing me to vegan friendly meat

[dreamy orchid]

rn he's the best at both magic and phys while having healing and matarunda

and the fastest theurgia charge

undisputed king?

[native garden]

Did you let Aki learn Elec boost?

[dreamy orchid]

obviously

[iron pilot]

that shit blows

[native garden]

Well, shit. I didn’t

[dreamy orchid]

why would you ever remove a damage booster

go to be blue and learn that again bozo

[native garden]

The king claimed his throne by thrwarting the competition. I wouldn’t give Aki too much credit

[native garden]

I literally couldn’t think of other skills to remove

I could’ve removed Shock Boost

But at the same time, I kinda want to keep it

[dreamy orchid]

Well if you put this Aki into vanilla he'd also be alright, but like the theurgia would be a let down compared to like junpei

but because junpei is on fraud watch in MQ Aki feels a lot nicer to use

why would you remove shock boost either

[native garden]

I could’ve removed Sonic Punch but I don’t want Aki to have no phys skills like in the original

[dreamy orchid]

bro remove fucking sukukaja

[iron pilot]

Junpeak will be back when he gets that slash boost sword

[dreamy orchid]

or dia

[dreamy orchid]

(Adamah)

[native garden]

I already replaced dia with Zionga

[dreamy orchid]

well rn he's gonna return to my party since he has blade of fury now

[iron pilot]

no that's harabah

[native garden]

God no

[iron pilot]

Aigis is Adamah

[dreamy orchid]

so he's just budget shinjiro

sorry i got the names mixed up

[celest kindle]

Boosts Stack so usually if you have more than one you can do pretty nice damage

[dreamy orchid]

replace zio then?

[celest kindle]

Like having amp and boost will stack and make it all stronger

[iron pilot]

Junpeak is best as mage

funniest shit ever

[dreamy orchid]

i think rn my aki is like

[native garden]

Already replaced it with something else

I’ll get back to you on my post chariot and Justice Aki in August

[dreamy orchid]

Jionga
Gigan Fist
Maha-Taru-Kunda
Diarama
Erec Boostah
Shock Boostah
Single-Target Boostah
Auto-Taru-Kaja

[native garden]

irl August not in-game August

[dreamy orchid]

I deleted mazionga for normal zionga lmaooo

[native garden]

Why remove mazionga?

[dreamy orchid]

single-target is better

[iron pilot]

you don't need that shock boost that literally just adds 10% for the AoE and the single target one is more about damage

[dreamy orchid]

both in terms of damage and for tactics AI

[native garden]

These play styles feel so unorthodox to me

[dreamy orchid]

nah its nice on jionga

imo its just a nice thing to have

[native garden]

Wait, when does Aki learn single target boost?

[dreamy orchid]

i might remove it when he gets high counter or smth

level 44

[iron pilot]

I'm yeeting it immediately myself

[dreamy orchid]

shock goated ailment tho

[native garden]

Oh…this feels really out of place for Aki to learn it but maybe I’ll give that passive a chance when I get it

[dreamy orchid]

Nah it makes sense on Aki gameplay-wise

he only learns single-target phys

[native garden]

But he also learns multi target magic attacks tho

As well as a multi target debuff and a multi target buff

[dreamy orchid]

so does kanji in p4, but you're using him for the phys bro

buff/debuff are unaffected by passives

if meovv were really based tho he would've removed aki's mazio skills

[native garden]

Really?

[dreamy orchid]

yea

[native garden]

Don’t give that cat any more ideas

[dreamy orchid]

why would they be?

[ashen pulsar]

bait

[native garden]

||Lovers concentrated agidyne||

[dreamy orchid]

what are you talking about

just use hua po or jack o lantern bro, null fire is right there

[native garden]

But it can hit Yukari

Or anyone else

[dreamy orchid]

then revive her

for me lovers did heartbreaker after mind charge

[native garden]

Forgot to use my recarm card. Soz

[dreamy orchid]

just fuse a persona with recarm

[native garden]

I forgot and I’m already past the fight and I really don’t want to do it again

[dreamy orchid]

😔

recarm is pretty essential tho

you best keep a persona with it lol

[native garden]

Which is why I gave my recarm card to Yamato no orichi

And fused it to other personas and have a new persona inherit recarm

[native garden]

same for Samarecarm as well I’m assuming

[dreamy orchid]

well samarecarm is a direct upgrade lol

[iron pilot]

houo is the goat

and norn

for healers

[dreamy orchid]

rn i'm using like

divine grace mediarama clotho

[native garden]

Better revival for higher SP cost

[dreamy orchid]

graduated from thoth

[celest kindle]

Yes

Revive with 100% health is in fact better than Revive with 50% health

[native garden]

[native garden]

Oh here’s my post Chair and Just Aki
-Zionga, Mazionga
-Auto Tarukaja and Shock Boost
-Tarunda and Sukukaja
-Sonic Punch and Diarama

No elec boost

[ashen pulsar]

why

[hollow trail]

skill issue

Zorro and Leanan

[hollow trail]

this is not discouraging items

[dreamy orchid]

relearn elec boost at be blue i beg

[hollow trail]

mq encourages using items heavily

restricting one type doesn't mean the others shouldn't be used

[dreamy orchid]

get rid of mazionga and sukukaja you won't regret it

[hollow trail]

HE REMOVED ELEC BOOST???

HUH?

[native garden]

Which is what I will do if I have time

[dreamy orchid]

-1 night time slot

[native garden]

Wait until the video is out in august before you comment

[native garden]

Time is a rare essence in P3R and it’s even rarer in MQ considering how it’s drastically force you to play all differently between vanilla and modded

[dreamy orchid]

HaxGOAT vs Fraudpei

why do i still have bash on him lmao

[native garden]

Comparison denied, Aki is level 49 while Junpei is level 40

[dreamy orchid]

Yeah Junpei is only 40 cus he sucks

so i didn't bother using him

[celest kindle]

Does it make you approach the social stuff that differently??

[dreamy orchid]

(it doesn't)

[celest kindle]

Like the only difference is you can't clone cards

But that doesn't really matter much because you can just get a bunch of copies of one card in Tartarus

[iron pilot]

Bro's being forced to be actually good at the game

[celest kindle]

Like most of the changes MQ does are to how you approach battles and preparation for them

The Social Sim stuff is pmuch the same

[iron pilot]

Yeah I don't think I'm affected at all innately can play optimal social sim

[native garden]

It’s depends how people approach the mod. Personally, I had to redo my schedule after following a 100% guide for vanilla and now I’m following a all social links and social episodes guide

For some people, it may feel like time is rarer in this mod bc of how to get really good passives and such and for others; it feels like a normal day in vanilla

[native garden]

Akihiko is still good in MQ at least

[iron pilot]

still

Bro's only good here

Even then it takes a bit to kick in

[celest kindle]

I feel your difficulty may stem from using guides

I have been simply "Fuck it, we ball"ing it for a while and it does not feel really different from how I'd approach Vanilla other than me using Arcade more and unlocking every SL as early as i could manage

Also spending Sundays on Maya and Akinari

I didn't do that on my first go around in vanilla

Bad decision

[native garden]

https://youtu.be/Ui0_FODKQ_g

@dreamy orchid

[ashen pulsar]

why did you unlearn it in the first place

[native garden]

If I was just doing a regular True Ending doesnt matter what SL I max out, then I wouldnt need to use a guide but eh

[native garden]

dont ask

dont say nothing, and see nothin

[dreamy orchid]

pls delete sukukaja for single-target boost when you get it

i beg

[native garden]

I’ll think about it

Or better yet, maybe single target boost is worthless on Aki but I’ll hold judgment when I get there

I’m only on the evening before ||Hermit||

[dreamy orchid]

why would it be worthless

it makes his best attacks stronger

[dreamy orchid]

single-target boost is goated for that fight lol

Aki is MVP there

[native garden]

I’m literally only level 37

[native garden]

Correction, attacks that are single target. If an entire trash mob is weak to electric, than Aki can just mop them up with Mazio in 1 sweep. Otherwise, use Zio(or Zionga or Ziodyne) 3x = wasting SP

[native garden]

Well he be the Most Valuable Party Member or the Most Mid-Valuable Party Member? Find out…in August idfk; this mod changed some of the passives around that idk if I should feel great or not

[dreamy orchid]

oh wait hermit is before single-target i forgor

dw hes still goated

[dreamy orchid]

sp doesn't matter enough for that shit to matter bro

plus on tactics no mazio actually saves sp lol

[native garden]

Yea…and MQ made very sure I can’t over level myself for the boss

[native garden]

If only you told me that before that one boss fight in Royal Reimagined

[hollow trail]

bro you are actually fucking skill issuing right now and i can't tell if it's deliberate trolling

these skills were put on akihiko because he literally needed them to be viable in MQ

he's the only one that needed this

he's a single target specialist

Get that mazio shit off him fr

if you need mazio (no you don't), use the MC

[dreamy orchid]

meovv

remove mazio skills from his kit

it'd be based

[hollow trail]

I'd probably do what they did to aki

junpei

keep mazio but remove the other tiers

[dreamy orchid]

dw hermit is pretty simple

[native garden]

I literally did that in the unlisted clip and for the other half of Yabbaash Tartarus Block 3 bosses

[native garden]

Simple doesn’t necessarily mean it will be easy but alright

[dreamy orchid]

just bring ken/aki/shinji

and it'll be smooth sailing

or mitsuru over aki if you wanna do repel cheese

[native garden]

I really don’t want to do the repel cheese

[native garden]

And that’s my plan, except bring Shinjiro Aki and Ken in that order so Aki can heal Shinjiro when he uses bloody charge

[native garden]

I think that’s a little too late for that

[native garden]

Well, I just beaten ||Hermit|| and ||I genuinely can’t tell what MQ did to that fight that makes it harder other than changes to the power of all of the skills in the game…and a fight that made me play more offensively than defensively or I die||

[iron pilot]

that's small brain

him being drained is good (it charges theurgia)

[hollow trail]

"idk what changed other than me having to change my playstyle"

oh, brother

[native garden]

But I won and that’s the important part

[native garden]

At the cost of risking him getting nuked by an upcoming attack soooo

[iron pilot]

makarakarn on Ken

[native garden]

Cost too much SP and I couldn’t find an invigorate accessory

[hollow trail]

[dreamy orchid]

makarakarn costs less sp than healing does

and low sp on ken is a good thing!

theurgia!!

[native garden]

It won’t be good when I need him to use Mediarama

Besides, I haven’t even unlocked his characteristic where it acts like invigorate

Still, another W goes in the back after 3 attempts. And the 2nd outtake is staying in the video, it gave me a little chuckle

[dreamy orchid]

hermit was one of the few i did first attempt

i would've finished fortune/strength on my first attempt too but i accidentally got cocky and left a wind weakness exposed and died cus i assumed akihiko would go for the kill (he spammed weapon instead like a boss)

[hollow trail]

recarm fixed

[celest kindle]

It was broken?

[dreamy orchid]

yea tactics never used it

[celest kindle]

Ah that

Aight

[dreamy orchid]

this will help yukari out a lot tho

[celest kindle]

Tbf don't Tactics or Heal/Support heal characters with anything if their health is below 100%

[hollow trail]

wanna know how i fixed it

[dreamy orchid]

no

[hollow trail]

game refused to detect the death ailment on party members

so instead

i just made it detect allies with 0 hp

[dreamy orchid]

they can use weapons or attacking skills over healing if party members are only slightly damaged

[celest kindle]

Death's treated as an ailment?

[dreamy orchid]

yea

[hollow trail]

small chance there will be a rounding error and she recarms someone who's at 1HP!!! but it's like 0.0000001% chance so you're good

i tested and it didnt happen

[dreamy orchid]

recarm on shinjiro after endure

[hollow trail]

i tested on amada with endure

level 1 and 99

didnt happen either time

[dreamy orchid]

should be fine then

will Shinji fix be included in the next update too?

i'm past the point where i can use him now but it'd be nice for others still going through it

would be nice if you could do a similar thing for Junpei i.e. making him use Blade of Fury on single-targets before he gets gigantic fist

[native garden]

I don’t plan on using tactics in my playthrough but +1

[dreamy orchid]

use tactics pussy 😈

[native garden]

I in way too deep to deal with AI stupidity

[ashen pulsar]

tactics wouldn't have unlearned elec boost

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-funny-fresh-prince-of-gif-22220680

[dreamy orchid]

fact check: FALSE

Elec Boost gets overwritten by Elec Amp at level 76

[hollow trail]

i forgor

smtv releases in 30 minutes ig i have time

[dreamy orchid]

oh its that close?

damn

[native garden]

You should do like an outtake reel of your playthrough at some point. Just so people don’t think you managed to beat all of the bosses deathless

[native garden]

Midnight release

unless you’re from New Zealand

[dreamy orchid]

some of the recordings show me pressing retry dw lol

also i deleted all of the failed attempts to save space

[native garden]

Damn, I don’t blame you tho

[dreamy orchid]

i don't want my pc to be slow af lol

[native garden]

Even after lowering the shadows to low?

Btw, how did you complete the request from Liz to perform “King and I?”

[dreamy orchid]

hard drive run slower if the storage space is filled up

[celest kindle]

Just fuse the relevant personas

[dreamy orchid]

you perform the fusion spell "King and I"

[hollow trail]

does blade of fury outclass deathbound

[dreamy orchid]

with rng it can but deathbound is more consistent

[hollow trail]

ok

[dreamy orchid]

in base game deathbound is defacto better cus of crit chance

but in MQ i might prefer multihits tbh cus they all have 5% crit

[native garden]

Ok so tell me how I got the request done after unlocking the fusion spell rather than actually doing it

[dreamy orchid]

i noticed that too

[native garden]

Ohhh that explains it. I thought it was a MQ only thing for a second

[dreamy orchid]

i think its just a p3k thing dw about it

[native garden]

P3K?

[iron pilot]

kiwami

[native garden]

Oh

[native garden]

Kiwami huh? That gives me an idea

[hollow trail]

shinji and junpei

will not upload until tested because it's hacky asf

[dreamy orchid]

okie

i'll test it out in a bit 🙏

watching yuki play smt w rn it looks really funny

i'ma buy it soon

[dreamy orchid]

Tested Shinji against Hermit and like its definitely better than before but he also still has some major issues

I feel like he should prefer Heat Wave to Blade of Fury just because its generally stronger and more consistent, whereas rn he will only spam Blade of Fury, and I also genuinely couldn't get him to use Bloody Charge which is a big problem given his theurgia is centred around it

Would it be possible in the future to make Shinji use Bloody Charge aggressively if he doesn't have it, to make sure he can actually charge his theurgia and keep up with crits?

No rush though since ik you'll be wanting to play Vengeance instead of working on MQ rn lol

[native garden]

Me who can’t be arsed buy a new triple A game on day 1:

[native garden]

Tartarus Block 4 bosses down and now I need to fuse better personas for ||Fortune and Strength.|| ||Damn, I can’t do concentrate strats bc that waste too much SP and charge strats can work but Strength resist slash and Pierce and repel Strike…shit||

[native garden]

@dreamy orchid Sorry for the ping but quick question, what level were you when you fought ||Strength and Fortune|| in Master Quest? I think I did it underleveled

[dreamy orchid]

i think 49 on protag

oh yeah

@native garden i had protag, mitsuru and yukari at 49 and Akihiko at 46

[iron pilot]

ok here's the strat bros

freeze strength

junpei crit

pass to mc

king and I

[native garden]

Oh… I did it with MC at level 44, Yukari at level 43, Aki at level 44, and Mitsuru at level 44

[dreamy orchid]

mid.

[native garden]

And after the fight, they all leveled up once

[dreamy orchid]

Akihiko outdamages Junpei

just bring him instead

[iron pilot]

bollocks

also strength repels phys remember

[dreamy orchid]

Aki can also do shit against the boss when its not frozen lol

Yea and Aki is the best magic user

while Fortune is weak to strike/elec

the fight is literally made for him

[iron pilot]

no the hell it ain't

[native garden]

Community Note: Strength only repel strike and resist slash and Pierce

[iron pilot]

plus I'm talking about a nuke strat for strength specifically

[dreamy orchid]

MQ version he def feels the best to use

[native garden]

Discord lag pls

[dreamy orchid]

then do aki/mitsuru/junpei tbh

[iron pilot]

nah I'm doing Koro instead of Akihiko

[dreamy orchid]

ig you can do koromaru for power howling but that shit charges so slow that Aki's consistent damage will probs kill faster

I recommend Aki for it tho

He also nukes Fortune which is nice

[iron pilot]

thinking like this

the nerfed phys damage shouldn't matter since king and I's overkill

my goal is get to this point before fortune gives us concentrate

[native garden]

Are you 2 going to ignore the fact that I might’ve done the fight underleveled and I have to do some serious catching up in levels in the next half of Tziah?

[dreamy orchid]

underleveled doesn't matter here

there isn't level scaling bro

its just a couple stats

[dreamy orchid]

see this would work better on direct commands

on tactics tho you cannot realistically line up freeze + hack n blast for the crit

you could just gamble on the crit anyways (you still have like 26% base so it can def happen lol) but its less reliable than Aki strat imo

[native garden]

It’s not just about the stats, it’s about learning better skills. Like I should’ve had Yukari Aki and Mitsuru learn Garudyne, Ziodyne, and Bufudyne respectively. or closer to it

[dreamy orchid]

if you have dynes you're overleveled

i did it with las

[iron pilot]

oh right you on tactics

shit

[dreamy orchid]

technically like

if i didn't bench Junpei

he could have gigantic fist by now

which would be nice but also I think Aki is much more consistent for non-DC

and like Aki has good support too

tarunda is very helpful and he can use diarama if someone gets low or i want to stall for Theurgia gauge

Mitsuru imo is a really good pick here tho

freeze isn't super likely but when it does happen, following up with Gigantic Fist on either Junpei or Aki hits like a truck

[native garden]

Las?

[dreamy orchid]

plus rakunda is nice and her damage isn't the worst

Garula, Bufula and Zionga

protag mostly used support skills and occasionally Bufudyne

[native garden]

Ohh, same here

[dreamy orchid]

honestly tho

[native garden]

That is a similar strategy I used

[dreamy orchid]

comp I recommend is Yukari/Mitsuru/Aki in that order if you're doing more casual run

yukari can sell a bit tho due to low max hp

she gets one shot by the 300 flat damage roulette lol

so if anyone's replaceable its her

[native garden]

And that is why I gave her HP increasing accessories

[dreamy orchid]

nah you want wind boost accessory lol

i did like

wind boost yukari, mega magic band mitsuru and regen 3 aki lol

[native garden]

Well, wait until late august until you see my equipment and you will be very surprised

[dreamy orchid]

if i had gotten garnets then i could make elec amp for Aki

if you get that then he's by far the best but its not super feasible unless you have goated rng

[native garden]

Bc I don’t go for element boosting accessories

Imo, not worth the materials to trade for

[dreamy orchid]

how not?

its 25% more damage and the materials are common af

its only black quarts

you can literally by that for yen

[native garden]

Even then, I much prefer survivability via increasing my HP by a small amount vs an elemental boost. Like, I’m not really hurting for DPS

[iron pilot]

max safety shoes Yukari

[native garden]

If I were to do’ a low level run in this mod which I never will, I would go for elemental accessories

[iron pilot]

and a +hp bow

[dreamy orchid]

midkari

i did +ma or booster shit on Yukari

i think my yukari got like

+8 ma from equips

so she has like 50 something rn

girls get +5 ma armour which is a really good trade

[native garden]

How much defense does that armor give?

[iron pilot]

bro we don't give a shit about def stat

that thing does jackshit

[native garden]

Me

[iron pilot]

well don't

it does nothing

serves 0 purpose

[dreamy orchid]

defense does not actually matter mathematically

the reduction is so minimal that its never worth taking armour for the defense stat rather than the passive

[iron pilot]

at best it was like

10% in OG

lmfao

and that's between the default and armor of light

[native garden]

Ah. Well I missed my chance to give Yukari that one armor that comes with invig then

[iron pilot]

low sp is good (it boosts theurgia)

[native garden]

that’s for Ken not for Yukari

[hollow trail]

it boosts yukari too

just by a lot less

[iron pilot]

actually she has a minor affinity for that condition

[hollow trail]

the game only tells you what their major affinity is, but everything in the game gives theurgia and low sp is one of those

[iron pilot]

think of every condition the members have having a base rate for each other

and they get boosted to shit in a couple of them

that's their theurgia boost condition

but really it's applicable to most of them

that's why leaving a member in charge is good in any case, or low SP and HP

Yukari for some reason has a higher than average charge for low SP on bosses

not as high as Ken's but it's there

this is the same as Koro's having a higher than average for crits but less than Junpei's

[native garden]

And I would assume this is knowledge that you would only know by looking at the game’s code?

That bit of info is new to me and I played P3R 2x

[iron pilot]

yeah basically

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f4Bhkg0gBqUSm4YR1Bba1JsQn6w6fPDrqBTaWlHla8A/edit

here

[native garden]

I’ll make sure to add it to my favorites.

And I thought the slightly misleading theurgy description in vanilla was the only thing I need to know about

[iron pilot]

it's mostly a meme when I say "it charges theurgia faster" but this is legitimately good info to know when the bar is 0 at the start of fights everytime

[native garden]

It seems like it is. My only regret is I wish I learned about it when I bought the game on PC

or earlier in my casual MQ playthrough

[native garden]

You managed to deal over 2.5k damage with King and I? Shit, I only managed to deal 1.9k damage to fortune. Fortune fully debugged with the MC having a concentrate from Roulette Wheel

then again, I was only level 44 with a Black Frost I made leading up to Hermit so

[native garden]

Aki is close to learning ||Masukukaj||. I wonder what I should trade this skill for…maybe ||Elec boost, shock boost, single target boost, or auto-tarukaja||

[ashen pulsar]

are you seriously going to delete elec boost again

[iron pilot]

Delete shock boost

[dreamy orchid]

get rid of diarama

[iron pilot]

It's mid

[dreamy orchid]

or just don't learn masuku

[native garden]

Put I plan on getting rid of Diarama for Diarhan

[dreamy orchid]

diarama and shock boost are both kinda unimpactful but im gonna delete diarama just cus it messes with tactics ai

[native garden]

Really? Huh

[dreamy orchid]

yea cus on tactics you want him to tarunda on heal/support

[native garden]

C’mon, you know I wouldn’t do the same bit 2x.

[dreamy orchid]

but if people are low he will heal instead

this is why heal/support should be two seperate tactics lmao but like thats a limitation of the base game

[native garden]

That and heal/support was a thing in the original versions of the game

So blame ATLUS again

[dreamy orchid]

yea its not preferable there either lol

its like the biggest issue with fes tactics

[native garden]

I am having a hard time seeing that as an issue there but maybe that’s because I bring Yukari a lot. Idk

By the way, what level were you when you fought ||Hanged Man?||

[dreamy orchid]

i haven't fought hanged man yyet

i've not done tziah 2 yet cus i stopped playing the past couple days

i got shit to do brother

there is no recommended level in MQ tho

[native garden]

Ah right right. My bad

[dreamy orchid]

whatever level the bosses get you to is what you'll have cus normal enemies are blocked by the xp softcap

if you are 54 tho you can get goatfried

[native garden]

Here’s the thing, I’m only level 51

And I can’t get the tarot card that let me make personas slightly higher than my level until after hanged man

Time to make Ganesha I guess

[dreamy orchid]

you don't need siegfried tho dw

king and i with ice amp is good enough for protag theurgia

and you can still get both heavy phys and magic by that point

[native garden]

But I don’t have ice amp. I only have ice boost

[native garden]

True, true. Just feels weird to have Siegfried later than earlier

[iron pilot]

Get to fusing

[native garden]

[dreamy orchid]

fuse quetzalcoatl lil bro

or buy ice amp accessory

you can give that to mitsuru once you're done with it too

[celest kindle]

Killed my first gold hand

yay

Brought those to the newly opened Tartarus block cuz the enemies can't exploit their weaknesses there

also i have theurgy now so that's cool

Oh yeah also time for da boss

It went horribly but i still won 💪

https://youtu.be/KU3eH-PRpIQ?si=oM5ff808t6Lby2mC

Is this skill chat

I think the one saving grace was that the boss was instakillable

You could see i was kinda wondering about using it with Junpei before deciding to test out Light first

I almost feel like the only person playing P3RE now that SMT5V is out lol

[native garden]

Oi, I’m playing P3RMQ too. And I can’t be arsed to buy new games on day 1

[celest kindle]

I mean I wouldn't mind personally

It's just

This ain't exactly an amount of cash i have just lying around

Games are sadly very expensive in Brazil

[native garden]

Yea, thanks to the downsides of the currency exchange rate

[dreamy orchid]

skill issue i'm afraid (you brought mitsuru)

also probably should've been using junpei's phys more lol

but you won so that's what matters

[celest kindle]

Brought her cuz on the way to the boss, the balance enemies liked to target Yukari so her felt like a bad idea

Technically they could do it to Junpei too but he has fire which is one of their weaknesses so nuking them before that was in the cards

[dreamy orchid]

i benched mitsuru for the whole block til the last boss just cus she wouldn't gain any xp from encounters since she overlevels them

[celest kindle]

Damn

[celest kindle]

And the boss couldn't exactly do much to anybody on my team since they have light attacks only i think

Still funny that i managed to win even though i fucked up hard

Too good sadly

💪

Also ngl if Mitsuru doesn't get any XP due to overleveling that's kinda funny

Because the story prior to that has people saying she hasn't fought in a long time due to Nav Duty and she says she wants to get back on the swing of things

Master Quest sabotaging her 😔

[dreamy orchid]

at where im at in mq she might be decent

cus i got her ice amp and aki elec amp

[celest kindle]

Nice

I think she's decently good so far

She has ailments and barely any normal enemy nulls charm so I'm fine

[dreamy orchid]

tactics don't like to use ailments

typically i just nuke encounters with aoe either way tho

[celest kindle]

Tactics L

I'd say it'd be interesting for Meovv to try to make the tactics on that front be a bit like FES but then i remembered that Act Freely is basically the only place where they use them and it would mean Mitsuru Marin Karin -Reload-

[native garden]

Halfway through the vid rn and uh…oh my god

[celest kindle]

Yep

Read the description bc it's true

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-hearts-ok-i-believe-you-gif-13519426

[native garden]

Also, I am having a hard time to believe that a dark insta kill item/ mudo skill would work on a guardian like that. Then again, ||there is a Monad shadow where it’s 2 copies (1 weak to light but null dark and 1 weak to dark but null light) and you need insta kill skills for them bc they are super tanky||

[celest kindle]

Keep watching and see...

The power of clutch

[native garden]

I just finished the video and I’m still in denial rn

Damn, part of me want to check my older saves to see if I had curse paper but eh…I’m too far into the mod

Huge contrast in my recorded take

[celest kindle]

Lmao

How long did it take you?

[native garden]

Full video is 5 mins and 20s

And the boss started from 57s and ended at 4:37

So that would be…about 3 mins and 30s

[native garden]

That reminds me, I didn’t bother using Mitsuru until the cast is level 20. Simply because Mitsuru starts out at level 20 when you’re at level 15 or 16 iirc

And level disparity pisses me off so much in this game

[celest kindle]

I don't mind them being higher level

Though according to what Shio said it's kinda not worth it to bring her ironically enouhh

Because thanks to the MQ level cap she is overleveled for pretty much every enemy in the block

And overlevel means no exp

[native garden]

Yep, the soft cap. Which doesn’t go away ||until the promised day I hope||

[celest kindle]

Kinda funny and kinda shit that this happens though

Though I can't really say i have a solution for it

I'd assume raising the enemy levels but Meovv is avoiding touching on normal Tartarus stuff so

[native garden]

I’m more on the side of letting the player level up as high as they want but that’s just me

[celest kindle]

That or lower Mitsuru's level but that would probably not make sense story-wise and maybe progression-wise

[native garden]

or how about just let everyone get the same amount of exp regardless if they were with or you not? Nah, that would cut the grinding time by a bit too much

[celest kindle]

I mean i guess that could work but it'd be a lot of balancing

Since you'd have to account for everyone getting consistent progress

But who knows maybe the spirit of Ringo compels Meovv to do it /j

Actually in hindsight that would probably not be enough bc SH2 has fewer party members and is designed around everybody being able to switch their demons

[native garden]

Right because since some people like to over level themselves somehow and some people don’t want to over level themselves.

I would like to see how this soft cap will function after the Answer DLC comes out since the Answer is literally just ||dumb mob fights galore|| for the most part

[dreamy orchid]

only way to get to 99 now is with the reaper

you're intended to fight the final boss at 99 btw

[native garden]

that’s good to know

[celest kindle]

Is the Reaper an exception to the soft cap?

[dreamy orchid]

reaper is level 99 now

and reaper also gives like a billion xp in the base game

[native garden]

And most people fight it somewhere in the high 60s or low 70s…shit

[celest kindle]

I hear he's easy but I've never completed a fight with him

[native garden]

Depends on your set up, in vanilla; he can be a pain in the ass and random. Even with a good set up, it doesn’t always go according to plan

[celest kindle]

I fought him once (technically twice in Reload) bailed on both since A. I didn't intend to fight him on the first one and B. I did try fighting it later on but it wasn't going well so i decided to bail

[native garden]

In vanilla on console, the reaper took me 2 days. And both days were hours upon hours of attempts. Except the 2nd day only took me a couple of tries

On PC (vanilla), took me 1 attempt bc I understood it better and have a better setup

[celest kindle]

I know it's a long fight

I think i might be able to, who knows i could go for it in MQ

[native garden]

Long…painful and YUKARI CAN YOU DODGE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT PLS

[native garden]

Personally, I think you should when to get to the Promised Day arc. After all, ||the final boss is apparently level 99|| according to Shio and there’s a request for Liz where you have to beat it

[celest kindle]

Yeah i knew though i ended up not doing the request on my first time

[dreamy orchid]

reaper is uber buffed now so you're supposed to fight it after adamah

[celest kindle]

Overall i ended up missing a few requests

Not many though

[native garden]

I would assume after all of the Adamah guardians excluding the Monad door ones

[celest kindle]

I haven't fought Liz yet either so there's that too

[native garden]

On PC I missed like 2 requests in vanilla. But they weren’t that interesting to me

[native garden]

I’m not sure if I want to record MQ Liz in this mod. Apart from the boss being reworked ||I’m taking reworked with a grain of salt||, I can’t use somas and precious eggs during battle

And at level 99 in vanilla, you don’t get 999HP and 999SP. So in MQ, I highly doubt that feature came back

If it did, I’ll consider recording MQ Liz. If not, then I don’t think I’ll touch that until a week before the 2.0 overhaul comes out

[celest kindle]

I think Meovv has worked on reworking the fight so that Endure is not a necessity

Though i haven't fought her to confirm for sure

[native garden]

I might do a practice run with 999HP and 999SP just to see if it’s doable if Meowvvcat actually made sure you dont need Endure nor Enduring Soul for 1 phase of the fight.

Otherwise, I don’t want to perform for Liz no more

[celest kindle]

I've seen both them and Doors talk about that and it sounded like they disliked that the fight was designed like that

So I'd assume it would be like that

Let's be honest needing Endure is shitty design

[dreamy orchid]

meovv didn't change liz' ai pretty sure

he just made her hit harder

[celest kindle]

Are you sure?? I remember them fixing a bug on one of the phases that Doors had reported

Though that was a long time ago and i think they said the fight was WIP but I'd imagine it's been completed

[native garden]

It must’ve been. The mod is already on v1.08

Then again, this is technically a WIP mod bc the creator has to fix bugs people find

[native garden]

Even with the MC having firm stance?

[celest kindle]

By that logic everything that gets updates would be WIP lol

Though it's not like this is final final MQ yet

Since Meovv is considering doing big changes when the answer comes around