Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest

[dreamy orchid]

its just not uploaded yet cus im lazy and don't wanna edit

im wondering what to do for chariot/justice tho

i might run Aki/Aigis/Junpei

wait meovv are they shock/freezable?

[hollow trail]

chariot and justice are not

it's a Aki/Aigis/Junpei fight

[native garden]

Ah. Well, I only have the fights from the first Thebel boss to Emperor and Empress recorded but you’re not gonna see them until July because I have a huge backlog to go through

[dreamy orchid]

shock would be hype there though

[hollow trail]

aigis and junpei for obvious reasons, but aki's theurgy is super useful here

I know, but I won't because it will break AI

well

instaheal

[dreamy orchid]

aki theurgia though...

but yea it probs wouldn't be too useful especially cus there's two of them

[hollow trail]

it's a dogshit chance anyway

[dreamy orchid]

its decent

cus he has shock boost by default

so its like 30% per target

[native garden]

Yea like odd morsel inflicting you with poison

or was it confusion? Idk, I forgot

[dreamy orchid]

inflicting mc with poison is pretty beneficial tbh

[hollow trail]

yup

basically free ailment immunity

[dreamy orchid]

means you can't be inflicted with actually threatening statuses like freeze and dizzy

[native garden]

But I lose HP each turn tho

[hollow trail]

yeah

5%

that's like 10 hp

[dreamy orchid]

i lost several priestess runs due to protag getting frozen

still not enough to convince me to use jack frost tho

[native garden]

That’s why you need Jack Frost hee-ho

[hollow trail]

i lost a ton to shock

lmfao

[dreamy orchid]

for me it was either just party being NUKED, party being dizzy'd or mc getting frozen/shocked

[hollow trail]

NUKED

[native garden]

Or just running out of time

Which happened in one of my outtakes

[dreamy orchid]

i never ran out of time tbh for me it was either clear cut "i won" or i died with like 2 mins remaining

[native garden]

Mission Failed

[native garden]

Lucky. Good thing you didn’t have to sit through 4 hours of outtakes I hope

[dreamy orchid]

It was probably like 2 or 3 hours

It wouldn't been longer if i kept to the no items thing there, but gems just kind of felt essential with how much damage the adds do

with direct commands you could just guard to solve the issue tho

so it was either allow items or allow direct commands for the fight, and direct commands feels more bullshit

[native garden]

And adding new tactics to P3R is impossible?

[dreamy orchid]

seems so

[native garden]

Sadge

[errant pumice]

POV: you just forced MC to have AI tactics on itself and now it’s under act freely

I wonder, is it even possible to make your main character not under direct commands? Just curious

[dreamy orchid]

finally, the game is good....

[dreamy orchid]

swine made a mod of that for p5 but i don't think it was ever released

[native garden]

Mid

[dreamy orchid]

back off the GOAT

[native garden]

That goat is only useful for 2 fights

[dreamy orchid]

i think im gonna use him for the entirety of master quest just cus im biased

hes useful in every fight!

[native garden]

And 1 of them is for a boss who only use 4 magic elements

[dreamy orchid]

he kinda lost his mid game niche in this version but like his 2nd theurgia is by far the best ability in master quest, and he has endure now too

so he seems pretty goated

[errant pumice]

When I played MQ for the first time, it was muscle memory of me after battles with “okay, battle is over, let me do some healing spells while not in battle to heal my party”

Then after seeing it dropped a lot, I was like “oh”

I’m finally forced to use items, lol

They aren’t useless anymore

For the most part

[native garden]

Wait, he learns endure?

In this mod?

[celest kindle]

Pretty sure items have always been kinda useful you just never had a reason to properly use them

Due to how the game was

Apparently some people consider that items basically outclass healing skills in Reload

Or in particular outclass Yukari

(In Vanilla)

[native garden]

That is a spicy take

Besides Yukari

[errant pumice]

Nah, I was just used to Yukari full party heal with 4 SP with her personality skill.

[celest kindle]

That is also related to why you never felt like using items much

I think i had a bunch i just sat on because i have the RPG player mentality of keeping something till you absolute need it

I think the only type of items i really ran out of were SP items lol

But that was at like

Endgame

[dreamy orchid]

Yea items are directly better than Yukari both in and outside of battles in vanilla p3r

after getting her healing apex thingy she is back to being a good out of battle healing bot in mq though

[native garden]

Rip Yukari

[dreamy orchid]

unfortunately for her, she will be benched until further notice

[celest kindle]

I always used her as far as healing went though i used everybody so I don't think I'd feel it much

[dreamy orchid]

for mq i just don't see a reason to actively use her much until maybe after she gets her concentrate thing

cus other characters are just better

i'll have to see tho

maybe i'll end up finding her more useful than i thought

[errant pumice]

In Vanilla, Yukari is S tier no doubt

Heal spam to heal spam combo whoops all heal 24/7

You essentially never die with Yukari on the team

Once I get further into the MQ mod, I’m pretty sure she’ll no longer be S Tier like her vanilla version

[dreamy orchid]

Nah in vanilla Yukari is F tier

by far the worst party member besides maybe mitsuru

[hollow trail]

yukari is the worst party member in vanilla p3r

by far

lol

[native garden]

Let Yukari cook

[dreamy orchid]

Rakunda Bot vs Media Bot in a battle of who can be the least useful character

[celest kindle]

Not really related to the convo rn but I'm surprised Divine Grace exists as a skill in the same environment the hans exist

[errant pumice]

For attacks, yes. She’s terrible

Put an aliment null accessory on her and spam heals

[dreamy orchid]

Well ig you can at least use Yukari for free heals at the tartarus entrance, Mitsuru doing anything presupposes taking her in your party

[hollow trail]

the heals are trash

yukari is complete dogshit in any scenario given to her

[dreamy orchid]

you never actively need to heal in battle and if you somehow do you have like 50 billion healing items in your inventory

[hollow trail]

ken having heals cost more benefits him

it's incredible

[dreamy orchid]

Yukari's healing is generally outscaled by items too until endgame, she has no good support skills, a bad theurgia and the lowest damage output of any character by far

MQ she will do better on the damage front and her healing/theurgia are more useful now, so she might be a decent pick

for mid game she seems like she'll suck tho

but hopefully garudyne makes her decent

[hollow trail]

healing apex also maybe slightly more useful now

until ken shows up

then its back to trash

[dreamy orchid]

nah its still good

free healing at the bottom of tartarus !!

not as if healing apex matters tho

i have mage's mark on mc

and invigorate 1 card

[errant pumice]

I see your opinions

I think it’s of “Yeah, Yukari sounds good on paper, but she’s literally a character that can be replaced by items” moment, right?

I never thought of it like that, I never really took advantage of healing items

Hmm, yeah, maybe she’s F tier actually if I did played with healing items, lmao.

[celest kindle]

That is in vanilla, worth noting

Might be different in MQ

[dreamy orchid]

tbh i don't think she's even good on paper

a character who heals and does nothing else noteworthy to me is like mid at best, and garbage at worst

literally just p5 morgana lol

[errant pumice]

Should’ve phrased it different, Akihiko is the one that’s definitely the character that sounds good on paper moment

Not Yukari

[dreamy orchid]

I think Akihiko stops sounding good the moment you say he has mediocre crit rates and no aoe phys while taking 30+ levels to upgrade his skills

[celest kindle]

I guess design-wise you could still keep her decent if she was able to dish out good damage or be more support-focused

[dreamy orchid]

he's kind of just P4 Kanji if he sucked

[celest kindle]

What skills besides the garus and heals does she get again?

[dreamy orchid]

thats how she is in p3 lol

uh in p3n she has garu, dia, recarm, ailment cure and sukunda skills

[errant pumice]

Cleanse ailments, but it’s pretty easy to avoid ailments mid game and later

[dreamy orchid]

also some worthless ailments too ig

[celest kindle]

Ah

Surprised Mitsuru didn't get much of those since her Theurgy booster is ailments and debuffs

[dreamy orchid]

in p3 her kit is simpler with less things to it, but she fairs a lot better because her damage is actually competitive there and healing is just more essential

[celest kindle]

Ah

Thinking of it, a way to design Reload Yukari to be a little more like her past counterparts could be to boost the damage her mag and phys do and add a couple more support skills

It's funny that she doesn't get like a party heat-riser despite being kinda support-oriented with the heals and ailment cures

[iron pilot]

just give her matarukaja

the answer had her with that

[dreamy orchid]

marakunda yukari

[celest kindle]

Personally i was thinking Matarukaja plus replace Sakunda

Sakunda could have a higher purpose if buffs stacked

[dreamy orchid]

Makakaja Yukari

[celest kindle]

But they don't

[dreamy orchid]

heat riser wouldn't fit her at all lol

she doesn't learn any buff skills

AoE Heat Riser should've been Aigis' thing tbh tbh tbh

[celest kindle]

Yea but i meant like for a Theurgy

I still don't get why she has party Concentrate for a Theurgy

[dreamy orchid]

i feel like the theurgia should at least have some connection to the character's actual kit

the concentrate thing should've def been mitsuru's instead but like it at least somewhat fits yukari considering she is one of the main magic users in the group and is the one with the highest Ma stat

[celest kindle]

I guess in the end of the day the issue lies in her original kit not really being support oriented as much as it's heal-oriented

[dreamy orchid]

well that works

i just think she needs extra damage, not extra support lol

or give her like insta-heal so she can actually cure ailments better

or like salvation lol

[celest kindle]

Character-wise i feel like a bit more support could fit her but going at it from the angle that she also wants to be stronger for the people around her i suppose extra damage could also fit

[errant pumice]

I mean, double magic isn’t that bad in vanilla

Except the fact that base physicals probably outclass that in every circumstance, lol.

I’m wondering, is physicals nerfed in MQ mod?

[celest kindle]

Though that wasn't what the balance guys at Atlus are thinking and till somebody decides to mod the game this is just a hypothetical

[hollow trail]

read patchnotes

phys is weaker than all magics at all tiers

[celest kindle]

Yeah i think one of the first things Meovv did was nerf phys lmao

[errant pumice]

I just read them now, and I see.

[dreamy orchid]

Phys is still GOAT tho

Its less blatantly better now though, i've found magic decently competitive thus far

[hollow trail]

it is what it is

[dreamy orchid]

wonder how things will get later on

[hollow trail]

phys innately good cuz of cost

[dreamy orchid]

i gotta get apt pupil still lol

[errant pumice]

And that’s what I like to see, the balance scale is now happy

[dreamy orchid]

crits are pretty nice too

i can't wait til dog joins the party

so i get revolution bot

[errant pumice]

Doggo is good, though the month he joins, he runs out of SP too fast but that gets mitigated when leveling up/putting on SP items

[hollow trail]

fuckin based

[celest kindle]

Cuz you can keep using it for a long ass amount of time and be able to get it all back with heals right?

[hollow trail]

p much

game is super tight around sp

well

[iron pilot]

imo doing both in a line's the best idea

[hollow trail]

tighter than vanilla

[celest kindle]

I suppose that's part of how SH2 can balance both Phys and Mag well

Not health cost in skills

[hollow trail]

MP phys is a very good change i agree

not compatible here

[iron pilot]

it's good with theurgia building basically, while being faster overall

[celest kindle]

Yeah i know u thought of it before but decided against it

[native garden]

Image that precedes unfortunate events

[iron pilot]

he has endure

lol

I intentionally burn endure/enduring soul this way in a lot of strats

[native garden]

Oh…

I hope MQ Nyx doesn’t make endure a must have…now how the hell do I beat her without somas?

[iron pilot]

I can assure you that that's not the case

It's just a matter of turn economy for me

but if you have a houo in there

literally guaranteed healer bot

you'll be fine

[native garden]

A houo?

[iron pilot]

innate divine grace mediarama and covers pierce weakness by itself

you just need spell master and null elec in some form there to fuse in

even better with samarecarm

and voila

perfect heal bot

I think that'll be the target, that or Norn with Salvation

[dreamy orchid]

@hollow trail Aigis just shifted while poisoned lol

[hollow trail]

thats literally impossible

i fixed it

how

yeah like actually

its literally impossible

all shift functions explicitly check "self not poisoned"

would help if you gave more info

get it to happen again ig

[dreamy orchid]

scenario was just aigis was poisoned, she hit a weakness with swift strike, then passed to mc despite being poison

and the camera got glitched cus of it

[hollow trail]

yeah that's explicitly impossible

i pushed an update to fix that months ago

and it was reported as fixed

idk whats goin on there

[dreamy orchid]

maybe mq version is bugged?

[hollow trail]

shouldnt be its the same code

unless i got poison's ID specifically wrong

[dreamy orchid]

odd

[left spear]

oops

[dreamy orchid]

simply guess fire like a boss

[left spear]

(IT WAS FIRE LMAO)

[celest kindle]

It has a cycle btw

[left spear]

i died to smth else anyways

[celest kindle]

Of 3 diff elements

So it is guessable

[left spear]

oh i knew it was like 3 possibilities but i thought it was random which one it picked

[celest kindle]

Well it's technically 4 actually but 2 are together

[celest kindle]

I think it kind of is for Emperor, i think he just doesn't repeat affinities

[hollow trail]

its random it just doesnt do 2 in a row

[native garden]

#itsstillatutorialfightiswear

[celest kindle]

I think the only thing that might feel against that is Fuuka's Analysis running out early but due to how it works in Reload it would be trivial if it wasn't like that

[left spear]

yeah it's pretty fair, there's no real other way to balance it

still don't know whether i rather fes analyze or reload analyze

[hollow trail]

i prefer reload analyze on paper but not in practice

it's a bit better in MQ because its good for getting more oracle charge

but in the base game it's just

enter

scan

alt f4

load

save sp

[dreamy orchid]

@hollow trail do tactics ever use dekunda?

[hollow trail]

yes

even in the vanilla game

they do

[dreamy orchid]

everyone was hit with marakunda and aigis just kept spamming rakukaja to cleanse it instead of dekunda

[hollow trail]

Ah that

might be my fault

one sec i have update to push

[dreamy orchid]

aight

[hollow trail]

how about dekunda if:

High Priority

• allies have 2 or more ndas

Low Priority

• allies have any nda and Aigis only has single target buffs

reason for high priority is because

before you mention the sp waste

if only one person had nda and aigis could more beneficially buff the party, the game wouldn't be able to tell

@dreamy orchid

poison yourself

and also dekunda yourself

if it works, I push update

[dreamy orchid]

am i gonna need to make a mod to let me poison myself for this 😔

[dreamy orchid]

this works yea

[hollow trail]

muscle drink??

[dreamy orchid]

i don't have any 😔

its also like 20% chance

i can try on my other save

[hollow trail]

pls do lol

[native garden]

20%? I thought it’s 30%

[hollow trail]

and yeah i think i got poison's ID wrong

specifically poison

i had it as 4096

its 256

cuz all ailments together is 511

1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 + 128 + 256 = 511

[dreamy orchid]

using this, amada still passed to me despite being poisoned

[hollow trail]

then there is no fix

are you sure you replaced the file

[dreamy orchid]

yep

the old one was 48kb

[hollow trail]

yknow

tactic

who he passed to

all that

would help a lot

[native garden]

a video clip would help even more as well

[hollow trail]

i know what the glitch looks like

ive fixed it in the past

no fucking clue whats going on

[dreamy orchid]

Amada on Act Freely, passed to protagonist

i guess i could show clip

okay nah nevermind obs didn't record it and doing it again is too much effort 😭

ken getting instakilled when im trying to showcase and i can't use a revive item cus mq

if you've seen it before tho i imagine you don't need a vid

[celest kindle]

If it happens again you could try using Xbox Game Bar thing to record the last thirty seconds

Though you need to enable that before you use it

[hollow trail]

does any enemy in this game use mabaisudi

i gen cant find poison id

oh

@dreamy orchid nvm

i was editing the wrong mf script

i was editing the script in the test version of MQ instead of the one in my projects folder

[dreamy orchid]

[hollow trail]

i just wasted like 2 hours

epic

it is fixed

@dreamy orchid doublecheck poison and dekunda then pls

[dreamy orchid]

i'll try in a bit

im a bit exhausted rn lol

[hollow trail]

understandable

guess i'll just push the update regardless then

[hollow trail]

the poison is fixed

100%

dekunda should be too unless the logic is ass

[celest kindle]

now had a bigger improvement
11 min vs 7 min

Winnin' 💪

finally got around to it

glad i got it first try

Did it on MQ 1.0.4 but run is valid cuz that only had DLC persona and AI changes

and i wasn't playing Tactics or using DLC personas

On the topic of versions, the mod updating can kinda invalidate runs yeah?
How possible would a tool like the party skill editor that New Moon has be for MQ?

[celest kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ-PCuN3OE4&ab_channel=MarkZer0

now time for Emperor Empress

oo boy

[hollow trail]

this is why I'm trying to avoid balance edits as much as humanly possible

bugfix only

until the answer at least

[celest kindle]

ic ic

Do you have any balance changes in mind though?

That you'll do when The Answer comes i mean

[hollow trail]

debating removing ailment cure items

[left spear]

if you do that you GOTTA make it more readily available to cure ailments with skills

i remember i like never got a poison heal with yukari (except amrita, im pretty sure patra doesnt cure poison)

or i might be thinking of another one but yeah

[celest kindle]

Patra doesn't cure poison no

The poison cure one is Baisudi

I think Yukari gets both but she gets Baisudi kinda late by default

[hollow trail]

Zorro learns Me Patra at level 24, and the recent update made Leanan Sidhe have it innate as well for those without dlc

so you're more than good to go for the lovers boss

well

level 24 is a slight grind but its the best i can do

in direct commands it's easypeasy tho

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-no-no-no-tanklorde-gif-25785566

[hollow trail]

LMFAO

NO YOU DON'T

[native garden]

Biggest betrayal since the Octopia lady lying about her price for the takoyaki

[left spear]

for lovers its fine, i meant moreso some monad door fights in which i literally just had to tough out the poison sometimes at 1 hp

i still ended up winning bcs vanilla reload is pretty easy

but on mq id totally get shat on from smth like that

i can probably just fuse maibasudi on a persona but id always rather have it on a party member

[hollow trail]

fair fair

[hollow trail]

i just reached 7/19

[errant pumice]

You could, but I kinda wish the ailments were rebalanced on the enemy side of things. Battles consist of either

Enemy team: No aliment attacks

Or Enemy team: All aliment attacks with an aliment kill move

[hollow trail]

ive been enjoying not having to duplicate cards every day but now i'll be duping models

[hollow trail]

this isn't entirely true

some fear based enemies will ghastly wail you but there are other synergies in the game

empress/emperor will crit distressed players

the monads also make good use of ailments

the dice with infuriate that drain phys is a really good enemy

same for the one that repels phys

it's one of the better battles in the vanilla game

because it's a clever combo that the game sorely needed more of

if the game had more element weapons you could nullify the gimmick entirely and i think that's a really cool thing

alas all the element weapons were ass

[hollow trail]

that's awesome but also completely unrelated because it's not the same enemy

[iron pilot]

it's too low HP imo

wot

that's the dice that drains phys

[hollow trail]

no

i'm talking about a monad boss

[iron pilot]

yeah it is

[hollow trail]

that is not a monad boss

[iron pilot]

yeah but that one repels phys

[hollow trail]

but it is not the monad boss

[iron pilot]

this one's the drain phys one

[hollow trail]

yes but it is not the monad boss

[iron pilot]

bro

[hollow trail]

it is not the one that does infuriate

[iron pilot]

no this one does it

you're thinking of an adamah boss right

[hollow trail]

ok the monad one has higher agility and HP then

your point is invalid

[iron pilot]

well that one's for doors, not passages

[hollow trail]

its not the same boss

[iron pilot]

idk why we're debating this

same thing

[ashen pulsar]

don't fight you're both kings

[hollow trail]

[iron pilot]

,fw

why are the dices weak to poison wtf

this mf

[iron pilot]

soz bro Akihiko sucks there

AFK strats aside he uh, he makes repel strats harder to pull off

seems like it's a possibility to mitigate his bullshit by fusing a mothman with elec break and rakunda

however

that's an L

it's slower in a way

[native garden]

I nearly spit out my shot glass reading this

[dreamy orchid]

Nah he's good

Akihiko is better than Shinjiro on tactics because Shinjiro will just spam Fatal End due to Hermit being a single enemy

[hollow trail]

sucks where? i was referring to him being unbenchable in general because of chidori

[dreamy orchid]

the conversation it was in was about Hermit

[hollow trail]

yes but i was referring to him in general

you cant put all your stock into just junpei

[dreamy orchid]

You could probs get away with using Ken in Chidori fight over him but I wouldn't

Oh yeah meovv do you plan to do anything about Shinjiro

Cus on Tactics he will be pretty awful for that boss just cus he'll never use his actually strong moves and instead spam a skill thats been outdated for 15 levels

either that or he'll spam weapon lol

[iron pilot]

seriously?

that's a use case where he's objectively good

[dreamy orchid]

Who, Ken?

[iron pilot]

yeah

[dreamy orchid]

Kinda disagree cus he can be a liability with that dark weakness

[iron pilot]

nah that thing's ez to counter

[dreamy orchid]

No Theurgia also hurts him

[iron pilot]

frfr on god

[dreamy orchid]

yea but turn 1 he can get NUKED

[iron pilot]

nahhhh we don't need that

haha

[dreamy orchid]

do you take him there for karns?

[iron pilot]

yeah

[dreamy orchid]

fire break strat?

[iron pilot]

nah not fire break

[dreamy orchid]

or is it the phys

makes sense i suppose

i guess i didn't really think about using tetrakarn there

but its probably pretty good

[hollow trail]

no

[hollow trail]

doubt

[iron pilot]

don't worry bro he'll bloody charge

then his theurgia is full

then he'll use it

then bloody charge

then his theurgia is full

then he'll use it

[dreamy orchid]

fym doubt thats literally what he does

he will never use heat wave against a single enemy unless said enemy is weak to strike

Aigis does the same shit with her aoes

[iron pilot]

can't wait to see people get nuked by Chidori

and Nyx

frfr

[hollow trail]

NUKED

[iron pilot]

I never posted the Nyx nuke on death phase other than here

so that should be a secret atm

[hollow trail]

you sent it to austin

but it's out of context

[iron pilot]

oh yeahhh I did

lmao

they don't know.

[dreamy orchid]

nyx seems funny

my footage for the first yabbashah gatekeeper got corrupted 😭

[iron pilot]

Thinking of it

Did you just set obs by default or did you do some tinkering with the settings

[native garden]

Reset

[native garden]

[dreamy orchid]

pretty much default

[dreamy orchid]

nah i already saved over that slot before i realised

and im not rewinding cus tartarus is such a fucking slog in this game

feels like it takes actual hours to do anything lmao

[native garden]

Runs ded. Sozzz

[hollow trail]

skill issue

[native garden]

You should’ve made backups upon backups on your USB drive

[dreamy orchid]

not my fault the game bores me 😔

[native garden]

you paid like 90USD for it

[dreamy orchid]

tartarus makes me wanna sleep everytime

i get tempted to skip it entirely tbh

maybe i should just avoid all the encounters and only do the bosses? not like im missing much xp anyways

[hollow trail]

objectively better than fes cuz in that one i would literally climb the tower while alt tabbed and afk

[hollow trail]

thats literally the way to go

[dreamy orchid]

thats so unengaging tho 😔

[hollow trail]

"unengaging" you are doing 0xp battles and complaining nothing comes out of it

[dreamy orchid]

yawnfest either way but perhaps skipping will minimise the yawning

[dreamy orchid]

well it just feels like tartarus doesn't have much of a purpose now idk

maybe thats not necessarily a bad thing on a replay

[hollow trail]

unironically, rose tinted glasses

[dreamy orchid]

nah even in vanilla p3r i felt more of a drive to fight random encounters

[hollow trail]

i think you're putting fes on a pedestal too much

ngl

[dreamy orchid]

im comparing to vanilla p3r

not fes

i like the idea of the soft level cap but i do think some of the earlier enemies within blocks should have their levels raised at least somewhat so encounters aren't immediately net negative xp just cus they're lower level than the previous boss you fought

i end up fighting enemies cus i feel im supposed to because thats kinda the point of tartarus but then there isn't really much incentive besides shuffle time and half the time i just get abysmal dogshit skill cards

i think its very adjustable but rn a lot of enemies feel kind of pointless

[hollow trail]

you're expected to metagame in mq and part of the metagame is knowing when it's worth to ignore combats

would you rather i turn it into a grindfest

it's a mod for returning players

[dreamy orchid]

well its not as if im wasting resources in the battles unless my time as a player is itself a resource

the battles are generally just spam aoe phys either way

[hollow trail]

feels like user issue

[dreamy orchid]

i end up using magic when a weakness is obvious enough cus why wouldn't i

but im not gonna actively search for them and there's no real drive to waste my sp on oracle

and googling that shit is lame

so quickest way to win most fights is phys and that usually wins in like 1 or 2 turns

[hollow trail]

i mean

cool i guess

you're purposefully wasting your time

[dreamy orchid]

well my point is that it shouldn't really be a waste of time and you could very easily make that not the case

[hollow trail]

it's not if you do it right

i haven't done any wasteful battles yet

[dreamy orchid]

its just a suggestion to maybe adjust some enemy levels so that you can gain at least some xp or maybe a level or two before each boss so battles aren't literally pointless

[hollow trail]

but thats already a thing

you're fighting the wrong shadows

[dreamy orchid]

nah characters genuinely join higher level than every shadow at the start of their block

[hollow trail]

that's objectively false

peek aqiu

[dreamy orchid]

even my party ended up higher level than the enemies were from the lovers battle

[iron pilot]

ngl I set it up for space savings and instant mp4s

[dreamy orchid]

aki is higher leveled than all arqa enemies until floor 37 and beyond, and even some after that

this one isn't too much of an issue because this is the point in the game where Yukari/Junpei actually have some catch up to do but its just an example

[hollow trail]

i'm not going to micromanage the levels of all 1000 shadows in the game

that's just absurd scope

[dreamy orchid]

i'm not suggesting you change all of them but i do think its something to at least look into

[hollow trail]

there's no need

fight gatekeepers first, then fight on the barrier floors

this is literally how most people played fes

[dreamy orchid]

ig im not most people

i don't think most people actively avoid all enemies in tartarus during a block too lol

[hollow trail]

they do if they're metagaming

one way or another this is a beneficial change

less filler combat

unless you want to rock paper scissors for hours

[dreamy orchid]

to me, tartarus feels more filler when i know the battles are genuinely pointless as it just becomes mindless walking through corridors until i find stairs lol

maybe its just a difference in perspective, though

[hollow trail]

[dreamy orchid]

idk i feel like my time is being wasted more when i know im not making progress by engaging with it

not engaging at all feels less like im saving my time and more like theres a fundamental issue

[hollow trail]

it's an unfixable issue

[dreamy orchid]

im someone who doesn't necessarily mind grind in rpgs tho

some others might feel different about it

[hollow trail]

I'm not raising levels and it's probably a final decision because it would also make the entire game easier overall

xp cap means xp cap

if you're fighting past cap, that is entirely on you

lower level enemies still serve catch up purpose if someone dies

[dreamy orchid]

well the cap is still the same regardless cus the final couple bosses are the only ways to make meaningful progress in xp, which was the case in vanilla reload

i meant moreso for the inbetween

[hollow trail]

it's a purposeful design decision to make MQ centered around boss battles and being at a lower level than normal

if it makes tartarus filler as a side effect, it's not something I can be too bothered about

[dreamy orchid]

fair enough

[hollow trail]

plus

again

if I actually had to fight every shadow in my path, this replay would suck balls

im sry

its already bad enough that i grind border floors

[dreamy orchid]

its not necessarily a matter of needing to or not needing to tho, clearly you can ignore them just fine

its just having any incentive to fight them at all lol

[hollow trail]

i don't find it problematic

shuffle times are still important

[dreamy orchid]

i feel like we play somewhat in an opposite manner. i end up fighting most enemies i come across then leave as soon as i beat the bosses, whereas you rush the bosses then grind the final floor til you're out of sp or bored

[hollow trail]

in mq? yes

i fought every shadow in my path in vanilla

[iron pilot]

I'll still fight for the monies and the cards

and certain persona cards if I'm grinding a persona like Archangel

that's probably how I'd do it

[dreamy orchid]

manually leveling up personas is actual aids

grindy af i ain't doing that shit lmao

[iron pilot]

it's ez

[dreamy orchid]

its boring is what it is!

[iron pilot]

the best ones to grind appears often

[dreamy orchid]

and its also rng based

grinding rng based shit is not fun no matter the scenario

[iron pilot]

in terms of like, grinding them they appear in the relevant blocks they're in

so archangel, chernobog and stuff it'd be fine

you'll get exp either way

it isn't all bad for me

[dreamy orchid]

persona xp be slow af

[iron pilot]

that's why I mitigate it with good s.link ranks and lovers

[dreamy orchid]

party ai also sadly isn't exactly capable of wrapping up fights quick enough for me to not just use my main persona instead of some low level fodder in battles

[iron pilot]

but it is inevitable in some cases

[iron pilot]

growth 3

[dreamy orchid]

brother i am level 27 we do not have growth 3

inb4 "just mutate "

[iron pilot]

tbf I only start that process when it is available

Archangel on Arqa II is decent

oh wait I mean I

[dreamy orchid]

i was tempted to try grind it but then i saw how long it was taking for even one or two copies to show up and was just like "nope"

[warm dew]

question: is clairvoyant relic supposed to be difficult

like in any capacity
bc tam lin trivializes her

since she cant strike light/dark weaknesses

and tam lin has access to elec/shock

letting you crit every turn off the first round if you're lucky

shock relic round 1 > crit with whole team > relic recovers and identifies weaknesses > guard with everyone but Makoto and attack with him and the person who was most recently hit by relic > rinse and repeat the previous step until you win

[iron pilot]

that's a vanilla strat too

not a reliable one compared to before but it is a strat there

[warm dew]

seems pretty damn reliable to me

[iron pilot]

that's the idea though

find new strats

that's good

[plucky dust]

The least stale joke is Anubis

[warm dew]

no I am of the firm belief that Anubis is stale as hell

[native garden]

Yea,

if you know who should guard at the right time

[celest kindle]

That's one way to do it

But there's a cycle to who the relic attacks

It's not random

It goes top to bottom starting from Yukari

https://youtu.be/wQ-PCuN3OE4?si=vVNep2EEgmG9eT-N

You can see it here that it always attacks in the same order

[native garden]

Low level run players: I didn’t

[celest kindle]

Also it will ignore protagonist unless it already knocked down someone

[hollow trail]

I think you need to understand what the word "trivialize" means

You understand how the enemy behaves and you made a build that counters it, while having your teammates act in a way that also counters it

Am I supposed to make the entire battle bullshit even if you have the optimal build?

That's not very good design

Because if you want me to I'll make clairvoyant detect all weaknesses with pinpoint accuracy and chain several one mores with also 100% accuracy and then do AoE debuff shit when everyone is down

"This mf is nuking me, how do I not get nuked?"

"They will not attack me if I make my build this way"

"I will now change my build to counter the challenge presented by the battle"

"wtf why did I win, this is trivial"

???????

Trivializing would be if you had nothing that directly addresses the challenge that was presented to you but you still won anyway by virtue of pure bullshittery

like if you oneshot it before it could even try moving

(scarlet havoc)

[celest kindle]

I managed to win against the relic boss one time because junpei got w lucky dodge in

Does that fall under that

[hollow trail]

Not really

[celest kindle]

I wasn't even controlling the game i just turned on Rush and they won

[hollow trail]

i won once solo by poisoning it and then spamming odd morsel and guard

[iron pilot]

before the strat there is Assault Dive crit with Zouchouten

lmao

and distress from Akihiko enabling that

then guarding whoever's weakness is exposed at that moment

[hollow trail]

funniest shit is i didn't even touch the boss

so if it's easier than vanilla to you, it's 100% placebo

[celest kindle]

Junpei is the star of Relic boss

Main reason why i Tarukaja'd him a couple times bc he's the one who's hitting the enemy most of the time

[dreamy orchid]

see thats how i did it lol

[native garden]

For me it’s Aki just to land distress on the Relic via Sonic Punch

And MC getting a crit with Single Shot with my Berith

Screw Junpei, he’s too slow. Slower than Yukari

[celest kindle]

Skill issue I'm afraid

I usually Tarunda'd the Relic with Aki and Bewildered the enemy for Junpei

If Aki distressed the enemy I'd use Protag

I'd use Yukari but she barely got opportunities to crit

And even when she did the relic would dodge a bunch of her regular attacks

[native garden]

at least I won

[native garden]

I didn’t have that skill in my successful take because I thought all of the Tartarus guardians would be immune to aliments

[celest kindle]

Tarunda is not an ailment and nah

I think Meovv touched on the Tartarus bosses to have them not be immune to all ailments

[native garden]

I meant bewildered

[native garden]

Oh…I didn’t know that

[hollow trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg6iyUakhZA

taking a persona weak to fire in a fight where all enemies use fire

just to feel something

[celest kindle]

Ringo Thumbnail

Awesomesauce

[hollow trail]

this is actually ridiculous

the yabbashah 82 video i posted before release

i just beat it way faster

fuuka carry

https://youtu.be/RgOjSbm4NGM

i might actually have to nerf phys even harder ngl

[inland crystal]

this might sound dumb but what if phys boosters were mutation only?

[hollow trail]

No

i hate the concept of mutation

[inland crystal]

fair enough!

[native garden]

What’s that BGM you had that replaced Master of Tartarus? That sounds like a banger

[hollow trail]

soul hackers 2 - battle of devil summoners

its the soul matrix boss theme

[native garden]

Ohhh

Maybe I’ll incorporate that in my own BGM pack

[hollow trail]

jesus fucking christ

(this is with mq turned off)

i wasnt even aware how different it is

[native garden]

I mean…when you turn off a hard mod that changes the gameplay, the experience will be much much different

nice crits on Junpei tho, maybe I misjudged him

[celest kindle]

3 crits in a row 😭

[hollow trail]

yeah but like

i'm managing MQ fine to the point it feels like the normal game

then i turn the mod off

and its way easier than i remember

[celest kindle]

Well i mean there's a reason lmao

The reason is you in fact

[native garden]

To be fair, you did make the mod from scratch so you would manage the challenges of your mod much better than someone who dwell on the Steam community forums

[hollow trail]

ig that's fair

[celest kindle]

The Critpei is a big difference tho

[hollow trail]

getsu ei too

its ridiculous

[celest kindle]

3 crits in a row on battle start is fucking insane

[native garden]

Of course, you could nerf all physical skills even further but you’ll just cause another issue where people will complain the mod is too hard and then vice versa

[celest kindle]

And you weren't even using Direct Commands

Like damn

[native garden]

And that’s why Junpei is high C tier

[hollow trail]

are you crazy or somethin

junpei's the best party member

[native garden]

Hold up, how come your MQ save didn’t brick itself when you turned off the mod?

[celest kindle]

I mean there's not exactly any reason for it to break

It'll just act weird bc theres like

[hollow trail]

there's not really anything that would brick it

[celest kindle]

Different Skills and such

[hollow trail]

yeah

[native garden]

Ohhh

[celest kindle]

It's kinda like switching to New Moon mid-game

[hollow trail]

yeah shit will be weird but it won't crash

[native garden]

I’m used to having 2 different set of saves(1 for vanilla and 1 for modded) because another rebalance mod I’m follow in added a ton of custom skills that can make the game go crazy

[hollow trail]

yeah

my save didnt reach any of those yet

[celest kindle]

Custom Skills are possible now?

[hollow trail]

so it was ok

not really

memento mori just replaces shit that already exists

[native garden]

Maybe it will be in 5+ years from now but currently, no

[celest kindle]

Idk if it'll be that long but i thought it was that

Cuz you said it added a ton of custom skills

Has anyone figured out why the game shits itself when you try to add new skills?

[native garden]

I was referring to a rebalance mod for Persona 5 Royal

[celest kindle]

I remember it being about the animations looping but nothing deeper

[celest kindle]

Thought you were talking abt Reload since you didn't mention Royal anywhere there

[native garden]

I tend to not name drop other mods. Wouldn’t want to end up comparing 1 mod for 1 game to another mod for an entirely different game

[celest kindle]

I just couldn't see the relation because you mentioned there being a vanilla and modded save

So i thought you meant you did that for Reload

Well anyways

[native garden]

Junpei will always be C tier

[celest kindle]

I need to get to trying Emperor Empress again today haven't went into that yet

[native garden]

I refuse to think Junpei is S tier even

[celest kindle]

But i think I'll get down to it today i have an idea of how to approach it

Especially with the strat Meovv gave for the fight

[hollow trail]

GL

[native garden]

Good luck, have fun and don’t alt + f4

[celest kindle]

First attempt has ended in death

💪

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-kazama-pocket-circuit-like-a-dragon-gif-9601902138673307178

[celest kindle]

Second attempt went better

However

Junpei died instead

💔

[native garden]

And nothing of value was lost

[celest kindle]

Yes it was actually

That boy was my most consistent damage source in the relic fight

Plus his phys goes pretty hard

Plus I'm going for beating the boss without losing anybody

Though i feel the circumstances force my hand to buy 6 Muscle Drinks once more

If I don't buy enough to get them addicted I'm afraid I will run out

[native garden]

Don’t do performance enhancing meds kids

[native garden]

Akihiko: But what about me??? :(

[celest kindle]

Aki was pretty decent but he was earlier in the cycle than Junpei and he was less resilient tbh

So sometimes i had to use a turn to heal him otherwise he prob wouldn't handle the heat

Whereas Junpei is:

• Last in the cycle
• Can help during the Marakunda phase
• Has good phys

I have way more chances to phys with Junpei than i do Aki esp when i had Aki handle Tarunda on the boss

[native garden]

But Aki could land distress with Sonic Punch and-wait you would just use bewilder instead…damnit

[dreamy orchid]

you have blade of fury for that fight?

[hollow trail]

yes

its obtainable

[dreamy orchid]

Matador and Goemon getting it like nearly 20 levels earlier than they should is so funny

[hollow trail]

ye

goemon has it cuz matador

[dreamy orchid]

i was tempted to level up matador for it but it felt like too much effort

so i just been arrow raining

[hollow trail]

you dont have to

yuko + lovers card

[dreamy orchid]

if i get slash boost i'll go and get it

my yuko is only at like rank 6 tho

[iron pilot]

that particular fight

you can just Mithras solo

it's inherently easy

although if it were a party to me I'd bring Mitsuru for some ailments

[iron pilot]

fr?

it seems fine to me

Even in OG it feels that way

midgame wise, phys is great

[hollow trail]

if u think so

i mean

compared to vanilla its way better

[iron pilot]

inherently setting it up is fine and dandy, I think it's a matter of the guardians just being squishy as hell at this stage

and that's a problem that persists until Adamah's last two guardians, kinda crazy

my average time per fight is within a minute (without Akihiko)

in the later blocks

[hollow trail]

https://youtu.be/W9miw0_Qcsg

[celest kindle]

He could and i did use him for that

But that alone doesn't really do a whole lot of damage

I used both Aki and protag as means of Distressing the boss

Also idk if it was just me but trying to say, use a Sonic Punch on a distressed enemy seemed to not crit so I'd usually end up having to have Akihiko do regular attack which can be a little bit of a dice roll

Though he hits it fairly consistently so I can't complain

[hollow trail]

full assault mitsuru is a grief and a half

fatal ending instead of bufula

on a freezable enemy

ok bro

[hollow trail]

void ACT_High_ALLAtk_FullAssault()
{
    int varFA;
    int varFA2;
    int varFA3;
    varFA = AI_GET_E_NUM();
    varFA2 = AI_CHK_ENHP( sVar11 );
    
    if ( ( ( varFA > 1 ) || ( AI_CHK_MYID( 7 ) || AI_CHK_MYID( 10 ) ) ) && ( varFA2 == 0 ) ) //More than one enemy, OR caster is Aigis/Shinjiro
    {
        varFA3 = AI_ACT_HIGHSKILL( 2 ); //Select best AoE phys
        
        if ( AI_CHK_MYID( 7 ) && AI_CHK_MYABLESKIL( 143 ) && ( AI_CHK_MYABLESKIL( 144 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_MYABLESKIL( 130 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_MYABLESKIL( 132 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_ENMUKOU( 2 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_ENHANSYA( 2 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_ENKYUSYU( 2 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_ENTAISEI( 2 ) == 0 ) )  //If Aigis, force Arrow Rain over Swift Strike
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 143 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }
        if ( AI_CHK_MYID( 7 ) && AI_CHK_MYABLESKIL( 144 ) && ( AI_CHK_MYABLESKIL( 132 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_ENMUKOU( 2 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_ENHANSYA( 2 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_ENKYUSYU( 2 ) == 0 ) && ( AI_CHK_ENTAISEI( 2 ) == 0 ) )//If Aigis, force Myriad Arrows over Heat Wave
        {
            AI_ACT_SKILL( 143 );
            AI_TAR_RND();
        }
        if ( ( varFA3 != -1 ) && ( varFA3 != 0 ) )
        {
            sVar0 = 10;
        }

    }

}```

just for shio

[native garden]

@dreamy orchid

[hollow trail]

• Akihiko and Mitsuru will now prefer Magic on Act Freely
• Mitsuru will now prefer Magic on Full Assault
• Party members can now Shift in Heal/Support and Conserve SP, but at a lower priority so they do not Shift instead of healing.
• Fixed the check that prevented Yukari/Mitsuru/Ken/Koromaru from wasting distress criticals, as it was only present on Act Freely
• Shinjiro and Aigis will now use their strongest phys moves on Full Assault (which are AoE), regardless of the number of enemies

i need to put this in orgia too

[iron pilot]

Fatal End in my playthrough did 69 damage ergo it's peak

[dreamy orchid]

god bless 🙏

this fix is huge though

[native garden]

I just realized something about Hierophant and Lovers…||you don’t get full heals in between those fights like in the originals…and MQ made SP healing more unbearable because each SP healing item got their heal amount reduced by 50%…shit||

[hollow trail]

yup

this is why i took 3 precious eggs with me

[native garden]

Three?!

[hollow trail]

one for each except junpei

didnt really need it tho

[native garden]

Ohh. Wait, did you get those eggs by chilling the takoyaki in the dorm fridge on a certain day?

[hollow trail]

and liz request i think

[native garden]

I know you get one for chilling takoyaki on 6/16 and checking the fridge on 6/17

[native garden]

Yea. You must’ve done the request: Treasure Milestone #4. That gives you 2 precious eggs

Now I wonder if it’s even possible to open 200 treasure chests before Hierophant and Lovers

[dreamy orchid]

its a complete non-issue lol

you get Yukari healing mastery before that fight along with having healing items for HP

The only way I could see anyone running out of SP is if they have protag cast recarm multiple times in each fight

I had protag run low on SP at the very end of the fight but my whole party was fine on SP and i used no items inbetween Hierophant and Lovers

oh bruh lovers was 15 mins long for me lmao

oh protag had 20sp at the end anyways, i wasn't really close to running out

mage's mark op

[native garden]

Huh…alright

[native garden]

and is that a bad thing bc that fight should take only 10 mins or???

[iron pilot]

Only?

10 mins is great

Shit it was 2 to 3 last time each

[dreamy orchid]

i think i played pretty well for it, though i was more defensive than offensive

if i used direct commands it'd be much faster cus i'd have been able to better line-up freeze + hack n blast combo

[iron pilot]

I can start playing this when I'm done with Vengeance

[dreamy orchid]

brother we all know you are doing 6 ng+ playthroughs of vengeance

[iron pilot]

Yep

Add 4 more for good measure

[native garden]

Can’t wait for your next video “a no lifer’s 1,000 hour NG + Save file of SMT V:V”

[iron pilot]

Funniest shit ever

[native garden]

To me it sounds great but to Meowvvcat, it may sounds like “ur 2 slow!!!”

[dreamy orchid]

mrrowcat

but nah 10 mins is like a good time

honestly average player probs gonna take like 20 tbh lmao

either that or they just like, die

and have to refight the boss again

[iron pilot]

Oh nah they're doing things slower, kinda the limitation of tactics is they inherently can't do things 100% optimally

You get lucky sometimes

[dreamy orchid]

yea you can't really line up combos the way you'd want on tactics

[iron pilot]

It's great that this is making ai fixes better though

[dreamy orchid]

or like react to shit

i had several moments where i had junpei on heal/support but mitsuru actually landed freeze, so i had to frantically press rush to make him actually use the crit

[iron pilot]

Bro was not spamming Torrent Shot on a down'd enemy with pierce weakness

What was he cooking

Honestly if tactics wasn't so limited I think it'd be pretty cool how theurgia is in the equation for things

[native garden]

“Everyone got hit with charm, HALP”

[native garden]

I agree but too bad ATLUS killed the tactics feature since 2008

[dreamy orchid]

yea the main shit for me is like. not having a dedicated knock down or assign target command really fucks up my strats a lot of the time

[iron pilot]

Intimate knowledge of how theurgia works will be key for what tactics to pick at specific time

[dreamy orchid]

and also just the general silly decision making that the vanilla game tactics have like always spamming aoe skills despite single-target doing more damage

[iron pilot]

Except Aigis/Shinjiro

[dreamy orchid]

ig when i get ma-kajas, akihiko might be a good pick just because his theurgia charge is pretty brainless

so i don't have to rely on rng or tactics actually having a brain for him to get it

with the changes to aigis and shinji's AI though, Shinji is pretty comfortably the best member once again

which is pog

[native garden]

I wouldn’t say he’s the best because y’know…

[dreamy orchid]

well he's the best when he's available!

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/mi-hanno-messo-windows11-gif-22714376

[dreamy orchid]

Akihiko will become good in his stead trust

[iron pilot]

Story relevant change???

[native garden]

Just got the spiked bat weapon and it changes its attack affinity from slash to strike…ok

[hollow trail]

and thats supposed to be a bad thing?

[celest kindle]

It's a bat

Why would it be Slash

I think the only one you could reasonably argue for is pierce

[dreamy orchid]

Spiked bat being strike sucks a little just cus Assault Dive is better and is strike, but it makes logical sense and I like the option being there

I kept Juzumaru on Junpei tho

[native garden]

Well…since when it’s possible to change a weapon’s affinity?

[hollow trail]

since persona 3 ps2

yabbashah monad is challenging bro damn

those early dynes are not fucking around

[native garden]

And that is why I don’t do Monad bosses until the 3rd semester arc of the game

[hollow trail]

???

thats dumb

[celest kindle]

It's always been possible lol

[native garden]

It’s not dumb. It’s called a uh…tactical retreat

[celest kindle]

And I think it's a good change those don't even make sense

[celest kindle]

Skill issue I'm afraid i fought all of them throughout multiple Tartarus visits

Not on MQ but ye

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[celest kindle]

Btw

Bone is now Strike Bone right?

[hollow trail]

strike boner yes

[native garden]

Phrasing but ok

[celest kindle]

What's wrong with Strike Boner

[native garden]

Don’t play Master Quest at 3AM or this will happen

[celest kindle]

The Bebe flashbang

Think you oughta check your mods though

Don't think MQ changes any SL graphics

[native garden]

I didn’t install anything that changes the SL graphics

I was just fast forwarding as normal and the game got a rare accident

[celest kindle]

Are you sure?

[native garden]

Yea

[celest kindle]

Not even any FeMC project stuff?

[native garden]

Not even that

[celest kindle]

Hm

[native garden]

Top 10 biggest mysterious in master quest

That bug may only happen once tho because I was doing other social links and that issue never appeared there

[celest kindle]

Bebe Flashbang

[native garden]

It didn’t even appear when I unlocked the Death social link

[celest kindle]

Does your game lag

[native garden]

Only when I take a screenshot with my F12 key

But that’s because I have a lot of screenshots on my drive

[celest kindle]

Weird condition for it to lag on but i guess we can rule out it being a weird fps thing then

[native garden]

It’s an issue I had before with other games. The screenshot thing is it’s because I have so many screenshots in my folder that I have to delete them in bulk

[native garden]

That is something I’m gonna do when I visit Tartarus on 6/26. That spiked bat has 88% accuracy and in my experience; 88% accuracy feels like it’s 50% accuracy

and we all know how good Junpei would be at a game of darts

[iron pilot]

You suck ass

And using weapon

That's your skill issue

[native garden]

I’ll take the steel pipe as soon as I can find black quartz

[dreamy orchid]

The real reason why Juzumaru is better is just because its Slash and Junpei doesn't have a good Slash skill for this point anymore

[native garden]

Doesn’t he learn a good slash kill like around when Tziah is available?

[iron pilot]

that's two fucking blocks away

[native garden]

And it’s a long time until he learn good skills

[iron pilot]

the fuck

bro if we're talking vanilla he chains from vacuum slash to torrent shot to blade of fury to deathbound to brave blade to vorpal blade

[native garden]

And I hope that stays the same in master quest

Minus the power of the skills ofc

[iron pilot]

it's the same gameplan

but you replace vacuum slash with assault dive, the former's now a proper generic AoE

[dreamy orchid]

Vacuum Slash now is mid for damage so you unironically want to use weapon for Slash single-target lol

[celest kindle]

MQ's been getting a lot of updates

I get why tho they be good changes

[native garden]

It’s mostly just bug fixes. Then again, a v1.0 of a hard mod tend to be a little rough around the edges if my personal experience is anything to go by

[celest kindle]

I mean true ig though those were often bugs in the og game rather than specific to the mod

There were some mod bugs though or issues like 30% Health Stone

[native garden]

And maybe more issues may prop up later in the game

Part of me is just waiting for some balance changes to come out in case there’s this one move that needs to be nerfed for some reason or something like that

Also someone remind me to beat one of the 2nd half of the Arqa Tartarus guardians without direct commands. Just to use tactics 1x after this patch

[celest kindle]

Ngl with the XP Softcap it'd be cool if it was shown to you that fighting shadows way too lower level than you netted you 0 xp

[hollow trail]

This is impossible because of how the game works on a fundamental level

The xp shown is the xp the enemy dropped

even in the vanilla game, it's "wrong"

[celest kindle]

Hm

I guess you can't like, check if the enemy is lower than the player and multiply the number displayed by 0

[hollow trail]

No because that's literally not what the game is showing you

the formula is

XP dropped by enemy (this is what the game shows)

Divided by party members

Multiplied by level difference

if an enemy drops 1000 xp, the game will always say 1000

even if you're level 1 or 99

and get 0, 1000, or 1 billion xp from it

hence why vanilla game does it too

So if you are all level 99 and an enemy is level 1 (just as example)

1000 XP

Divided by 4

Your share multiplied by 0 = 0xp

Party member 1 share multiplied by 0 = 0 xp

so on so forth

[ashen pulsar]

tha's silly

[hollow trail]

it's good and also how fes works

actually no fes is more confusing

because it does half of the calculation instead of something clearly obvious

reload and fes xp work the exact same though

different values but same calcs

[ashen pulsar]

i don't think that's true at all

[celest kindle]

Got cooked on my Emperor Empress attempt once more

This time

Protag died

My improvement shows... Thank you Persona 3 for teaching me about death

[hollow trail]

well at least someone is struggling with it

[dreamy orchid]

would prefer if the game just showed the amount of xp every party member was getting and how close they each are to a level up with both a number and visual indicator, similar to hit game Soul Hackers 2, but that seems like too much of a quality of life improvement for reload to include it

reload's xp scaling is pretty confusing just cus bosses give like a trillion more xp than normal enemies too, but like it'd be fine if there were just better visual indicators lmao

[celest kindle]

I just won

Uh i mean i guess 17 is less than 20 right

[hollow trail]

nice

[celest kindle]

I will take that for now

[dreamy orchid]

emperor/empress?

[celest kindle]

I feel i should've gotten the 6 Muscle Drinks but i am not in the mood to ask whether or not i saved at a convenient time

Yeah

I only had 1 muscle drink and depending on how the fight started I'd have to use one on fucking Akihiko

[hollow trail]

...6 muscle drinks?

[dreamy orchid]

my run of that was like 10 mins apparently

[celest kindle]

Yes

[hollow trail]

oh my fucking god finally

[dreamy orchid]

could probably do it quicker if i had better social links

[hollow trail]

ive been fighting the red shadow jotuns

[dreamy orchid]

just 7 more levels and he can finally deal damage 🥹

[hollow trail]

??

he's mvp rn

discord dying pog

[iron pilot]

He's mid rn

[dreamy orchid]

lmao it is

[celest kindle]

So it wasn't just me

[iron pilot]

Yeah

[dreamy orchid]

erec boost jionga carrying you?

[hollow trail]

what do i replace (sukukaja is not an option)

[iron pilot]

Mazio duh

[hollow trail]

i was actually thinking mazio yeah

[dreamy orchid]

wait you didn't even have elec boost yet lmao

[hollow trail]

cuz single target specialist

[dreamy orchid]

in all honesty tho replace either mazio or sukukaja

[hollow trail]

i did not, he's performing well even without it

[dreamy orchid]

or sonic punch tbh tbh

[iron pilot]

You can replace Zionga with Mazionga later but at the same time single target boost

[hollow trail]

mazio gone

[iron pilot]

At that point you yeet Diarama or Sukukaja

Because you have AoE auto buff

[dreamy orchid]

no mazio also helps tactics AI not grief against multiple enemies

[hollow trail]

that is your skill issue

[dreamy orchid]

skill issue (wanting to not waste sp)

though true tbh i should just not worry about sp since its pretty inconsequential

[hollow trail]

[dreamy orchid]

oracle nerf is funny af tho