Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest

[hollow trail]

although uh

no nvm it's a bug

i'll fix it in a bit

?

MQ uses my own tactics

act freely is act freely

you're allowed to buff and support in act freely

it's in the name lol

it's just lower priority

[celest kindle]

a

I think i misread the convo then

[native garden]

is direct commands forbidden on MQ?

[hollow trail]

no lol

what

[celest kindle]

'Course not

That'd be stupid

Especially on Reload of all games

[hollow trail]

MQ only has the tactics fix mod because if it didn't, party members would use revive items on tactics

needed to have it so they wouldnt

[celest kindle]

They'd be able to use them?

[hollow trail]

yep

oh shit you let aki die

[celest kindle]

Not gonna lie this sounds kinda interesting

He was the only one who died thankfully

I will cut even closer than that one part you will see

[celest kindle]

Only AI being able to revive

[hollow trail]

it wouldn't really have any strategy to it

just turn on heal/support then go back to direct

so i turned it off entirely

[celest kindle]

Hmm

True ig

[hollow trail]

you let the fight stretch on for so long that empress started anubing

holy shit lol

[native garden]

Oh..so how is not being able have direct commands over my party is a scripted vanilla thing during your first visit in tartartus then

[celest kindle]

I mean there wasn't exactly that much i could do how would i guess the weaknesses 😭

[hollow trail]

what are you talking about

the tutorials are cutscenes

that's a vanilla game thing

[celest kindle]

I guess one change i could do would be going for the phys skills but that would be

Kind of risky

Because then I'd prob have to spend more time healing them if they get hit

[native garden]

oh, i thought I was going insane

[celest kindle]

And given healing items are scarce and i have no way to revive them mid-fight it would be unoptimal

[hollow trail]

Basically

turn 1: support/don't attack

turn 2: same thing

after they change affinities: scan both

spam all-out attacks

when they change, scan ONLY emperor (to save SP), do the opposite phys element on Empress (slash->pierce or vice versa)

keep spamming aoa and only scanning emperor

[native garden]

Time to get recarm as early as possible

[hollow trail]

when you run out of SP, do light with mc, fire with junpei, and elec with aki, one of them will hit

and you can aoa guess from there

[dreamy orchid]

why would buffs be on act freely? to me that just seems silly lol especially cus they are heal/support exclusive in fes

[proper temple]

so is Nyx basically more of a challenge with this mod?

[hollow trail]

act freely can do everything

[celest kindle]

Hmmmm

[hollow trail]

if junpei hadn't buffed he would've guarded

that's just how it is

somewhere in the priority chain he thought attacking was not worth it

i can't tell you why

[dreamy orchid]

that's kinda dumb lmao

[celest kindle]

I guess this would've worked yeah though i think i wouldn't have thought that up during the fight

[hollow trail]

cope

i can't do anything about it

not 100% my choice

[celest kindle]

I don't rlly know the technical side of things so yeah

[dreamy orchid]

i'd prefer guarding tbh cus at least it won't waste my sp

[hollow trail]

buffs are staying in act freely

[dreamy orchid]

i wonder what'll happen when aki gets sukukaja

[hollow trail]

i think you're crying too much over single digit SP

[hollow trail]

he'll spam it for theurgy

in act freely

that's intentional

[dreamy orchid]

okay so im only gonna use full assault on him then

[celest kindle]

Haxman will Hax like god intended

[dreamy orchid]

got it

[celest kindle]

[dreamy orchid]

or ig just unlearn suku asap

[hollow trail]

auto-tarukaja:

immediately solved

[dreamy orchid]

level 30

[hollow trail]

cope

if act freely behaves in a way you don't want, change tactic

[dreamy orchid]

you made sp matter a lot more here and it moreso just adds to the issue because the ai will spam aoe often no matter the tactic

[hollow trail]

that's not correct

[dreamy orchid]

well conserve sp won't but wasting turns on dia is even worse

so full assault it is

[hollow trail]

conserve sp using dia is a bug i already told you

it has heal on highest priority

oversight

[dreamy orchid]

ah i see

although i did notice aki passed to me instead of junpei when junpei could've hit a weakness just fine

kinda funny

[hollow trail]

that's a p3r issue

weakness detection is faulty

for shifting

[celest kindle]

Huh

How does that happen

[hollow trail]

there's RNG chance the game just forgets your teammate can hit a weakness

even in direct commands

usually protag

[celest kindle]

What were they cooking

Well i guess people do forget things IRL every so often

[dreamy orchid]

fun thing though

is that im prioritising cup cards a lot more now cus i don't wanna waste 7sp on dia lmao

50% hp to everyone for free is nice

[celest kindle]

Fr

Kinda blows when it's a 50% heal for protag though

Granted that's before Arcana Boost

[hollow trail]

and you said sp economy changes weren't gonna affect the game

lollllll

[dreamy orchid]

kinda funny that cup cards are so high in this game to begin with but its at least beneficial now

[dreamy orchid]

it won't effect late game

early game tho it def does lol

late game is free af even just with characteristics existing

[celest kindle]

I think it might actually since it's not like the cup cards stop at 50%

[dreamy orchid]

like yukari and ken are free heals no matter what unless you were to completely rework their unique passives

[dreamy orchid]

yea but yukari starts getting media for dirt cheap soon and healing items become more common in tartarus

[hollow trail]

just realized aki's act freely behavior is actually grief

not in the way you were complaining about, but in a completely different way

[dreamy orchid]

how so?

[hollow trail]

so

[celest kindle]

What does he do?

[hollow trail]

when his trg isn't charged

he checks for buff

and if he has no buff

he does buff function

here's the thing

i ranked tarunda higher than sukukaja

[dreamy orchid]

so he just tarunda's constantly? lmao

[hollow trail]

no

[celest kindle]

Tarundas whenever his theurgy isn't charged

[hollow trail]

he tarundas every enemy then sukukajas

but that's -2, -3, maybe -4 turns, and if there's enough enemies, it's infinite loop yes

[celest kindle]

So it's an intended feature....

[hollow trail]

I'll just remove the function

[dreamy orchid]

funny

[celest kindle]

Akihiko griefs to make the mod harder

[hollow trail]

from him and mitsuru

[dreamy orchid]

pls make him prioritise tarunda over suku on heal/support tho pretty please

[hollow trail]

he already does

same function

always has

[dreamy orchid]

okay thank god

lmao

[hollow trail]

the order is uh

at least i think it is

[dreamy orchid]

i just need to know whether i bench him frame one or not

[hollow trail]

matarukaja marakunda marakukaja matarunda masukukaja masukunda

then the same

but single target

[dreamy orchid]

are hiito raizah and debilitate included? ig they wouldn't matter cus they are seperate, but i'd assume koro does debilitate over masuku everytime

[hollow trail]

debilitate is very high priority but with a special rule

heat riser is above all singles but below all aoes

[iron pilot]

here's a general idea

[dreamy orchid]

whats the rule with debilitate

[hollow trail]

debilitate only used on battles where there are 2 or less enemies alive and none of them have any debuff active currently

[dreamy orchid]

oh i dislike that heavy

the last part

cus its complete anti-synergy with auto-sukunda

[hollow trail]

funny because you suggested it yourself

[dreamy orchid]

i think i must've been high on crack

i think the 2 or less enemies thing is good tho

[hollow trail]

to be fair

[dreamy orchid]

ig i did not consider auto-sukunda

[hollow trail]

you suggested it for royal

[dreamy orchid]

oh yeah lmao

in royal there are no auto-debuffs

[iron pilot]

moment

[hollow trail]

i should just send you the sourcecode tbqh

[dreamy orchid]

it'd be fun to snoop around in but im not really good enough at this shit to change much

[hollow trail]

its easy to read, i added comments

i'll send MQ version

[dreamy orchid]

function that makes akihiko only ever use sukukaja if its in his kit

[hollow trail]

only difference is the healing function is manually rewritten

and thats it

[dreamy orchid]

ah i see

[hollow trail]

conserve SP has dia and recarm at top priority

oversight

[celest kindle]

.c

[hollow trail]

especially recarm

[celest kindle]

Unreal runs on C?

[hollow trail]

no

i changed it to C so discord would embed

it's .flow

.BF

[celest kindle]

o

ic

[dreamy orchid]

tyty

[hollow trail]

in normal reload it wouldn't be too bad

because of band ace

but there's no band ace in MQ

so i need to remove it

good catch ig

[dreamy orchid]

oh so its cus of the item changes?

thats funny

makes sense tho

[hollow trail]

the reviving yes

the healing not so much

[dreamy orchid]

see im a good playtester

[hollow trail]

they'd still dia in conserve sp in normal tactics fix

it just

wouldnt be as bad

plus

i never put yukari on conserve sp

so i never ran into this

[dreamy orchid]

yea its only a problem on aki

aki suffers a lot in tactics cus he has skills for basically all affinities

therefore he has the most potential for grief

[hollow trail]

he shouldn't be doing mazio though

like

maybe once per affinity change

but then he'd go "ah shit"

and change to zio

[dreamy orchid]

there were 3 enemies, he knew the elec resist on all of them and only one was weak, but he did mazio anyways then passed to mc even though the enemy was weak to fire and junpei was right there

funniest guy ever

[hollow trail]

thats the funniest thing

because

see

mc is lowest priority for weakness shifting

but highest priority for anub shifting

so aki legit went

"i dont think junpei can hit"

[dreamy orchid]

lmfao

[hollow trail]

unless

actually, small chance of bug

one sec

nvm

[celest kindle]

Seems MQ didn't spare even the tactics players

The true merciless experience

[hollow trail]

i mean

they'd always be the ones fucked hardest

[dreamy orchid]

like

[celest kindle]

Well true but AI inherently griefing is pretty funny

[dreamy orchid]

no matter how much they might be kinda ass, at least they can baton pass now

[iron pilot]

technically the mod isn't exactly made with tactics in mind

[hollow trail]

ah while im at it

[iron pilot]

considering how limited it is

[hollow trail]

im gonna make yukari, mitsuru, ken and koromaru ignore frozen/distressed enemies

uh

phys-wise

they will not phys them

is what i mean

actually

this fuckass function does sword crit

[celest kindle]

I know i just think it's funny

[hollow trail]

i could just remove it

[celest kindle]

Why make them specifically not go for it

Low Lu?

[dreamy orchid]

low damage bro

[iron pilot]

waste of a free crit

[hollow trail]

why would non phys characters waste distress/freeze

[dreamy orchid]

also weapons have shit crit rates

[celest kindle]

Ah

For the phys skill ok i get it

[hollow trail]

actually i'll remove the function entirely

sword crit is ass no matter how you paint it

even if aki or junpei did it

[dreamy orchid]

erm technically for the start of arqa, sword can be junpei's best attack if you bought the most expensive weapon

[hollow trail]

then he'd do it there

[dreamy orchid]

yea the ai checks for damage right

or well, power

i'll look at the ai proper in a bit but im eating dinner rn lol

[hollow trail]

and yeah

i checked

buffs on act freely is literally

the LOWEST priority

the fact it happens means junpei realized he was straight up useless there

for whatever reason

also he wouldn't have guarded

he'd have used his sword

which is even more grief

since repel/drain

[ashen pulsar]

i love tactics!!

[hollow trail]

yes my code is ass too thanks

[ashen pulsar]

no ur awesome

[hollow trail]

@dreamy orchid should i make mitsuru check for tarukaja=false and/or diamond dust being unlocked

and if false on both

no concentrate

(mq only)

[dreamy orchid]

that'd make sense yes

because otherwise its an objective sp waste

could you make her check to see if she has concentrate before her theurgia

and if not, she uses it

or is that too much cbt

[iron pilot]

tactics can't do the funny strat of using concentrate and never using it for theurgia

[hollow trail]

oh

wait

i can edit the distress function to do singletarget phys instead

which automatically excludes yukari and mitsuru

i think

i can forcefully remove ids too anyway

[dreamy orchid]

well mitsuru can have fatal end but like just don't teach it to her bozo

[hollow trail]

only thing that's kinda eh here is they won't use theurgia on them

but

tbf

in bosses you can time your party order so it works

[iron pilot]

uhhhh

not the tartarus ones, no

[hollow trail]

i really can't account for this

i mean i can

but its code nightmare

and i have to maintain 2 versions of the mod now

[iron pilot]

wdym 2 versions

[hollow trail]

mq and normal

[iron pilot]

oh right tactics fixesd

[hollow trail]

@dreamy orchid actually

debilitate is 2 or less and tarunda, rakunda OR sukunda not being present

meaning

if an enemy has tarunda and rakunda

debilitate would still go

it's a little funky and unfixable though

like

if one enemy has tarunda

and another has rakunda and sukunda

ai will detect it as fully debuffed

cant do shit about that

• Edited "Bad state critical" function that used normal weapon attacks on Distressed and Frozen enemies, to use single target phys instead.
• Blocked Yukari, Mitsuru, Koromaru, and Ken from using the "Bad state critical" function.
• Master Quest only: Edited the criteria for using Concentrate and Charge
• Fixed an oversight where Conserve SP would use healing skills. Will however still use Recarm if no healing items are in inventory.
• Master Quest only: Fully removed all forms of heal skill from Conserve SP.
• Removed Akihiko and Mitsuru Theurgy charging behavior from Act Freely as it lead to a waste of turns and SP.

[dreamy orchid]

yeah but debilitate is kinda bad in multi-target encounters anyways

and like, by the time you get it, there are very few relevant ones left

it'd hurt Akihiko in like, two fights at most

oh yeah meovv

what triggers ailments on tactics

is it just low priority?

[hollow trail]

Lowish, yeah

mitsuru would do it more aggressively but i'm nuking that along with aki grief

[dreamy orchid]

this is definitely a problem

there is no reason for him to do this lol

he also does mazio over two zios in a situation where that'd knock down all enemies, even though mazio costs more sp and is overall less accurate than just using zio twice

[iron pilot]

I don't think that second bit can be helped

[dreamy orchid]

tactics inherently grief?

[iron pilot]

it's like, the later tiers doesn't have the distinction

so like, how would that be taken account of?

[dreamy orchid]

oh yeah fucking

yukari never seems to pass to akihiko

even to hit weakness

[hollow trail]

yeah you can't distinguish here

[dreamy orchid]

zio weakness? nah pass to protag

[hollow trail]

the ai reads mazio as optimal because it's more damage

idk what to do about it

[dreamy orchid]

ah

[hollow trail]

idk why this happens

odd

what tactic

if its full assault

its intended

[dreamy orchid]

ah i see

im too scared to use act freely cus i don't want her to waste turns on dia lmao

but good to know its intentional at least

[hollow trail]

ah yeah she does that aggressively because of theurgy rules

fine in vanilla

bad in mq

fair

[iron pilot]

yukari knows akihiko sucks

shrimple

[native garden]

Let aki cook

[errant pumice]

To be honest, In the vanilla version, I didn’t use Akihiko that much

My benched players were Akihiko, Junpei, and Ken

Ken was because he missed his awakening move, plus, I was arrogant with busted Yukari healing

Oh yeah, Aigis and Koromaru existed too, but Yukari never left the team no matter what, even if she was weak to electric attacks.

[iron pilot]

Akihiko proven to only be good at 3 fights

only 3

actually embarassing

[hollow trail]

benched junpei

were you doing a challenge run

[iron pilot]

junpeak

[celest kindle]

Junpei's looking a little feminine

[iron pilot]

oh wrong clip

[errant pumice]

Nah, genuinely, Persona 3 Reload was my first full playthrough experience. I have played a bit of FES, watched Persona 4 gameplay, and watched my older brother play P5.

I was caught up in the story playing blind for the first playthrough, I only searched up missing persons calendar dates

[celest kindle]

Silly BDJK

[celest kindle]

Huh

Why did you search for that?

[errant pumice]

Because I explored Tartarus in 1 day in almost every chapter.

So I planned ahead to see which day I wanted to explore Tartarus compared to social days.

[celest kindle]

King and I enabler?

[celest kindle]

Ah

Huh surprised people actually just spent a single day on Tartarus

I guess my experience with Portable before Reload made me think a little differently

I usually went with a schedule of 1 boss per visit

[iron pilot]

I do one day if I can help it

which is basically all the time

[celest kindle]

Damn

[errant pumice]

To be honest, P3R Vanilla felt a bit too easy, even as a first time player fully playing a persona game

When I tried FES first before reload was announced, I had a very hard time trying to understand the game, leading me to drop it.

[celest kindle]

Damn lol

I didn't have much of a hard time with FES

Granted i didn't play The Journey

[errant pumice]

P3R is definitely a good recommend game in my opinion to understand to core concepts. It explains things very straight forward with no penalties

[celest kindle]

I thought i was gonna have a hard time with tactics but then the tactics were piss easy to understand

[errant pumice]

Which is why I enjoyed the difficulty/revamp mods, such as this mod.

[celest kindle]

I think it does Persona 3 in a way that's easy to digest for new fans

Plus is a little more attractive since it takes from the style of one of the most famous Personas

(P5)

[iron pilot]

makes sense

no one's good at the first try

[celest kindle]

Personally i didn't found Reload to be easy but i also didn't find it to be hard on my first try

Like it never felt too punishing or too much of a cakewalk aside from regular Tartarus enemies

[iron pilot]

it was hard for me (I was using Akihiko)

lmfaooooooooo

[errant pumice]

I gotta say that the P3R UI is very easy to understand, I’d say it’s even easier to understand when viewing skills/etc compared to P5

[celest kindle]

Kinda sad we don't get the revolver visual of earlier p3 ui though

[iron pilot]

you mean p3p exclusive

right

[celest kindle]

❓

Is it not in all of them 😭

[iron pilot]

it's p3p exclusive, yeah

[celest kindle]

I just booted up FES to check and it has it

[iron pilot]

no tf it doesn't

that's circles

just circles mate

p3 only had a circle centric ui at first

the revolver aesthetic's a p3p addition

it's so good that people think it's in og too

honestly reload using a lot of circles makes sense with this context

[celest kindle]

I mean sure but they don't remind you of a gun

[celest kindle]

Yea just double checked

They're similar enough i thought they were the same lol

[iron pilot]

yeah because they're meant to remind you of the moon this time

[celest kindle]

I suppose it's fitting in it's own way

Some people also say the summoning animations also kinda lost the sauce a bit

I think it's aight how it is but i do miss the stuff like protagonist spinning their gun to their had

[iron pilot]

that's technically still there

[celest kindle]

Though conversely if it was like that we couldn't have protagonist spinning the gun for every persona switch

[iron pilot]

you see it when the protag does persona switch

[celest kindle]

Yea

I noticed it too i think it's really cool

[iron pilot]

I like how you can see the sillouhete of the personas you're using in the menu

[celest kindle]

Hm?

Where

[celest kindle]

Oh i never noticed that

Sick

[native garden]

Needs more red arrows

[warm dew]

I'll do you one better

[celest kindle]

Where's Goku

[celest kindle]

Rewatching it now

Man i got lucky as fuck in some parts of this

Junpei's counter deciding to act up, Junpei dodging a bunch of the heavy phys and overall just any right guess in regards to weakness

[dreamy orchid]

Tactics update dropped? W

[native garden]

It’s to fix a small bug. Nothing too interesting

[dreamy orchid]

i'm the one who reported the bug lol

conserve sp working properly is huge though because it means I can have Akihiko spam just phys whenever i want

[plucky dust]

If I had to guess whether this or Anubis would have spells of several elements, I would choose this

[iron pilot]

nah you want Jack Frost instead

[dreamy orchid]

Nah Jack Frost is a liability

fire weakness

Omoikone solos im telling you

[hollow trail]

as opposed to omoikane being weak to two forms of attack

one of which instantly kills you

[dreamy orchid]

none of which can be inflicted in the fight itself

its also only one weakness

its only weakness is dark lol

you don't even encounter a single enemy with dark attacks until arqa

so imo omoikane is goated

i think either can work though

with mazio gems, jack frost is like entirely safe

no items though, it'd be scary to use him

unironically you'd want to bdjk and use both cus you don't wanna have a weakness open but you also don't wanna tank bufula without resistance lmao

[native garden]

Just beat Shadow Priestess mod and all I got say is…||my friends suck. Junpei sucks, Yukari sucks. I can’t use my beads. Only the MC can handle it. Nobody else||

[iron pilot]

Skill issue

[celest kindle]

You gotta plan

You gotta think things thru in MQ

[native garden]

that what I was doing for the past 5 hours

[celest kindle]

Skill issue I'm afraid

[iron pilot]

We spelled out how to beat her optimally

[native garden]

Make that 3 in a half ish hours or 4 but that boss was hard as balls in vanilla and MQ made it even harder

I even took notes on some stuff

Like the summon’s elemental weakness and her pattern after each phase

[native garden]

And I’m improvised. If plan A doesn’t work, then do plan B

[celest kindle]

Hard in Vanilla? 😭

[native garden]

yes it was hard. Maybe not for you but on my blind playthrough on console, it made me sweat

[celest kindle]

I mean i also played blind

Can't say I'm exactly good either

According to Meovv i took so long on Emperor Empress that Empress started Anubing 😭

[hollow trail]

the fight is supposed to be way shorter

[celest kindle]

Do I just suck or was this uncaught from testing

[hollow trail]

you made a lot of mistakes

in relic too

[celest kindle]

😢

I mean hey i won though

[native garden]

Wdym? Anubing? Like changing its affinities?

[native garden]

And that’s the important part

[celest kindle]

The whole meme Anubis thing is that Anubis is a Persona built with the specific intent of hitting most if not all weaknesses

[native garden]

Ohhh is that the funny multi elemental Anubis?

Yea, I remember watching a video about that

[celest kindle]

Well not that Anubis is built like that but that's how people build him

It's all based on the design idea of Persona and SMT but that's not important to get it

Empress does that

Like how she killed Akihiko and Knocked Down Junpei once when i played

[native garden]

Oh…

[celest kindle]

Like Meovv mentioned though that's only if you take really long

Which was the case for me it seems

20 minutes was, in fact, not the intended time

😔

[native garden]

So the intended time is like 10 minutes or less?

[celest kindle]

I dunno

[native garden]

If it’s similar length when beating shadow priestess, it gotta be 10 minutes or less

[celest kindle]

I think i took about or less than that so idk

I guess you could try to compare to what time Meovv says it is

Since they know the ins and outs of everything

[native garden]

Well I’m only just starting the 2nd chapter of the game so it’s gonna be a little while for me to get to that point

and the amount of times I’m gonna see the game over screen and seeing the A-hole Igor copypasta

[celest kindle]

Though in this case they'd probably know the most optimized time for it

[celest kindle]

Press Tab twice

[native garden]

Oh

[dreamy orchid]

https://youtu.be/V59j-Y7fEmw

[native garden]

I’m curious if that was recorded on v1.01 or v1.02

[dreamy orchid]

v1.0

also jfc how low is vacuum slash's accuracy?

junpei missed it on 4 enemies twice in a row lmao

[hollow trail]

thats just his acc being ass in general

i dont think i nerfed it

oh boooo you grinded junpei agi for the eagles

👎

[native garden]

Junpei never changes

[native garden]

Nah, let him cook

Let him cook

[hollow trail]

i just ran straight at them no grind

[native garden]

Same here and…||i died||

[hollow trail]

uh

how did the hands have the agi weakness revealed

does the gatekeeper reuse the normal hand enemy

[warm dew]

it does

it just gives these ones more health

Literally the same enemies

lmao

[native garden]

^

[native garden]

I guess I know what’s coming in the next MQ update now

[hollow trail]

that makes it not the same enemy

if the HP value is different it is not the same enemy

has to be a different ID

which would remove the analysis history

[native garden]

How can it be a different ID if the enemy looks similar to the one in a random encounter?

[warm dew]

idk then, but I know for a fact those hands have more health than the random enc while still having affinity history of the originals

[hollow trail]

thats just weird as fuck

maybe they wrote in an exception

cuz its a tutorial

[native garden]

The weakness exploit and shift follow up tutorial probably

[dreamy orchid]

bruh change relic is insane

it one shot yukari while she had tarunda up 😭

[dreamy orchid]

i didn't intentionally grind lol i just fight enemies when i see them

i feel like ignoring enemies is equally as lame as grinding

[native garden]

“Lady Luck wasnt on your side”

[dreamy orchid]

what does this even mean

there's nothing luck-based to it

you either win or you lose

but yeah lmao this boss is fucked

ig i will need to tarunda and rakukaja Yukari turn 1

and just hope she lives?

[native garden]

Or just let her die

[dreamy orchid]

how to lose simple guide

[native garden]

Which is something I had to do in the earlier bosses

[dreamy orchid]

maybe i should go get fucking sukunda

time to grind thebel to level up asparas

whooo

[native garden]

Why not grind in Arqa?

[dreamy orchid]

how do you expect me to level up a level 2 persona with shit skills in arqa lmaop

literally just an sp waster

meanwhile in thebel i can get her in shuffle time for free xp

but yeah like

i assume level 15 is the expected level given that the red shadow here is 16

and i ain't grinding that guy

i get one shot even with tarunda so i may just have to go all in on dodge strats

of course if i had direct commands i could literally just guard cus the order it attacks is scripted

but lmao tactics moment

it seems to always go Yukari -> Akihiko -> Junpei

[native garden]

Oh I forgot about Asparas being really low level

[dreamy orchid]

So if there were a stand by tactic, it'd make this easy af

direct commands players are lucky this game is easy af for them

[native garden]

direct commands enjoyers: Uh…I only played FES with the direct commands mod

[native garden]

Stand by in FES would make them do nothing but a guard tactic would be nice tho

[dreamy orchid]

well yea i imagine it'd guard here because there is no option for doing nothing in this game

[native garden]

That I can confirm. Considering how I played through vanilla twice and always ended up being level 15 right up to emperor and empress

[dreamy orchid]

okay uh

so i beat change relic

but only protag lived at the end

so protag shot up from level 15 -> level 19

we are fucked up bruh

[celest kindle]

Personally used the Mitsuru Speed Incense on him for that reason

Sure it's like 1 point but with how his accuracy can be every one of those counts tbh

[native garden]

We are sooo (not) back

We ain’t getting out of John’s house with this one

[dreamy orchid]

that fight was tough af

i literally only won cus of rng dodges with sukunda lol

with direct commands it'd be easy though cus you could just guard

[celest kindle]

I was gonna say something but then i remembered you're on tactics

[dreamy orchid]

but on tactics jfc

[celest kindle]

Yea

It's a set pattern that is pretty easy to notice

[dreamy orchid]

this is the hardest (winnable) fight so far

priestess was harder because that genuinely felt impossible to win without items

[native garden]

Good luck on Emperor and Empress

[dreamy orchid]

they'll be way easier

they don't anub your whole party while one shotting like that guy lmao

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

[celest kindle]

I think they'll know not to do anything stupid for a bit

Also that depends on how long u take...

[dreamy orchid]

well i'm gonna kill them in a couple turns most likely

gonna get fatal end rakshasa for this

would prefer getsu-ei but my social link ain't high enough for that

[native garden]

Hold up, why did you name the protag “Kitty”?

[celest kindle]

Why not

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-üzgün-anlaşıldı-tamamdır-anladım-gif-19552125

[celest kindle]

betsmove

[dreamy orchid]

her name is Kitty Meowstie

[native garden]

Wait, her?

[celest kindle]

♀️

[native garden]

[native garden]

Octopia Shopkeeper: My takoyaki costs 400 yen!

Master Quest: Um achsually…||its 1,100 yen||

[iron pilot]

I love extorting kids

[warm dew]

11 dollars for takoyaki? What kinda fuckass economy do we live in in 2009 😭

[ashen oar]

considering they also have no octopus in them there's some sus shit going on

[iron pilot]

it's dog

we know it's dog

Koro had that dog in him when he was eating takoyaki

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/listening-what-fbi-chris-redd-alex-moffat-gif-11784633

[warm dew]

quick question: what level should i be for priestess here, and what's the basic strat?

[celest kindle]

I think a little over 10 is enough

[iron pilot]

10

[celest kindle]

Idk abt strats though

[iron pilot]

make Jack Frost with agi zio and ideally garula

[celest kindle]

Maybe have an ice nulling persona

[iron pilot]

have takoyaki or odd morsels on hand

that jack frost should also have rakunda thinking of it

[warm dew]

I've got 6 morsels and 4 rancid gravy, will buy takoyaki once I get out of tartarus

where tf do I get garula from tho

[iron pilot]

skill card in a chest in tartarus

you can get by with just garu card tho

[warm dew]

i don't even have that 😭

im boutta get my ass beat

[iron pilot]

you can grind for the card if you have burst

[celest kindle]

Rewind is always there if you wanna go back a little

[warm dew]

higher floors of thebel, im guessing?

[iron pilot]

ye

locked chest btw

[warm dew]

that's doable then i think

wait no it isnt lmao

unless i leave tartarus and come back

which i dont wanna do since I need my stats up

[native garden]

Garula Frost is the new meme now I guess

[native garden]

Do you have any maragi gems on you?

[celest kindle]

Agi clears Garula sadly

[warm dew]

literally every other 1st level gem besides that

[iron pilot]

oh that's fine

[celest kindle]

Not rlly sure what the deal with Jack Frost with Agi is other than damage dealing while not caring abt the priestess

[iron pilot]

since the tiaras are rng you just need to use the appropriate gem

mazio is the most useful imo

[native garden]

Quad elemental Jack Frost? Idk

[celest kindle]

I'm pretty sure ppl aren't making Anubfrost 😭

[native garden]

not yet

I’ll make a quad elemental Oberon if I have to

Actually…made use a media skill card on my Berith

[iron pilot]

switching is a detriment to the fight in a lot of ways

and Jack Frost has the best phys skill available on level

while also nulling priestess

so making him use all 4 elements is great

he's also usable next block so the prep is not just for one fight

[celest kindle]

ic ic

I considered making a Jack Frost before priestess but it didn't end up panning out since I didn't finish leveling the personas I had to make him

Though i had Silky iirc so it was kinda whatever

[native garden]

Resisting ice is not bad. Just nullifying it is better

[celest kindle]

Naturally

[native garden]

Too bad you might want to bench your Jack Frost by the time you get late in the first half of Arqa

[celest kindle]

Why

[iron pilot]

at that point you should have Zouchouten

kinda

[celest kindle]

I thought Zanchouten was Phys focused

[iron pilot]

yeah

just fuse a lot mf

[native garden]

And have deep pockets

[celest kindle]

I don't have a gambling addiction

[native garden]

No? Just me? Shit

[native garden]

and I’m the queen of England

[celest kindle]

If u can't guess the Empress weakness u gotta get good son

Smh....

But this isn't gambling it's high level gaming

A non-gamer like u wouldn't understand...

[warm dew]

priestess has a random weakness...?

[native garden]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-computer-pc-trash-trash-can-gif-5707805033116147398

[celest kindle]

Oh wait mb

Empress

[native garden]

Priestess has no weakness

[warm dew]

DO NOT FUCKING SCARE ME LIKE THAT

[celest kindle]

Well Empress and Emperor anyway

[celest kindle]

You're gonna shit yourself on the Diamond Dust phase

[native garden]

Ok, I won’t scare you like that. But I’ll just say have fun hoarding revival items

Bc they are sooooo helpful

[warm dew]

what]

you did not just tell me priestess has a sqrt600 ice skill

you did not just tell me that

you're lying

[native garden]

The lie detector results came back in and….||he was NOT lying||

[warm dew]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-no-no-no-tanklorde-gif-25785566

[iron pilot]

nah Meovv didn't made it unfair

don't be silly

[celest kindle]

Trolling complete

Returning to HQ

[iron pilot]

lmfao

[native garden]

Shhh, let me have some fun

I mean…this is MASTER Quest after all, and not Master Quest Junior

[warm dew]

i genuinely cant tell if this is an elaborate prank or if mark is telling the truth

[iron pilot]

Nyx cannot be armageddon'd or you'd die

[hollow trail]

it's bullshit

ice storm is vanilla

i also did it without garula

[celest kindle]

Yea I'm just fuckin around

Ice Storm is stronger in MQ though

[warm dew]

@celest kindle fuck you

[celest kindle]

Thanks to the damage buff

[hollow trail]

it's 10% stronger because all damage is 10% higher

[celest kindle]

Yea

Thus why Jack Frost with Agi is recommended as was said before

At least for the most optimal strat

[native garden]

It seems like Jack Frost is the main component for this strat

[hollow trail]

jack frost is pretty important here

technically not mandatory

just

[celest kindle]

GOAT Frost winning u love to see it

[hollow trail]

you can't deny null ice is good

[celest kindle]

Yea

[hollow trail]

also elemental gems are basically hacking in this fight

[native garden]

Null ice but weak to fire. The trade off is not problematic at least

unless

[iron pilot]

just kill the tiaras

ez

[celest kindle]

I'd redo the Priestess fight with latest MQ if i hadn't lost my pre-priestess save

[native garden]

you want my MQ saves or???

[warm dew]

i'm still not getting a fucking garu card 😭

[celest kindle]

Ty but nah

Wouldn't be super valid if I didn't do it my own way

[native garden]

I hope you don’t mind fast forwarding long cutscenes

[celest kindle]

Like with the stuff i had

[celest kindle]

Hey I like the story

I can sit through them just fine

[native garden]

I can’t if I know I have to reload my “last evening before full moon” save a million times

[celest kindle]

The game usually tell you if something's about to happen

Open calendar

Full Moon days are marked yellow

Though they're only labelled later

[native garden]

I know that. It just that there were times where I have to load my last evening before the full moon just to do some last minute grinding

Like leveling up, getting some more loot from Tartarus, etc etc

Something tells me I made a huge mistake replacing the Iwatodai Dorm theme with Burning Men’s Soul

[iron pilot]

nah you replaced mid with peak

[native garden]

I’m never giving you the AUX again

[iron pilot]

fuck you

[celest kindle]

Self-Redemption da GOAT

[native garden]

Say Aki is peak and I MIGHT give you another chance

[iron pilot]

he sucks

[native garden]

[iron pilot]

bro he literally can't beat magic protag in level 40s

[celest kindle]

Truly even doors submits to the Antihiko propaganda...

[dreamy orchid]

are you doing tactics or direct commands

[celest kindle]

Heartbreaking 💔

[native garden]

He’s the support guy. If you want a mage, you get Mitsuru

[iron pilot]

he sucks at support

Mitsuru's better at that

[dreamy orchid]

on direct commands all you need to do is learn when ice storm is coming and guard for safety, along with guarding with people if one of the tiaras would hit their weakness

[iron pilot]

and then koro

[warm dew]

direct commands because I frankly don't trust any form of tactics, fixed or not

[native garden]

Let me guess, Rakunda > Tarunda?

[dreamy orchid]

you don't really need any specific persona

[celest kindle]

Tactics are fine in FES but after that they fell off tbh

[dreamy orchid]

people will say jack frost but imo you don't need him

[celest kindle]

So i get why u don't trust them

[dreamy orchid]

he's the safest option if you can kill the skeptical tiaras though

[celest kindle]

He's not strictly necessary but yk

[dreamy orchid]

but if one of them is alive don't use jack frost lol

[celest kindle]

Makes things easier

[dreamy orchid]

i didn't use him

[native garden]

Probably for the better since… no one want instances of AI stupidity

[celest kindle]

Me neither

I had silky

[dreamy orchid]

oh yeah if you have elemental gems, those will help you a lot

[celest kindle]

What AI stupidity

[native garden]

Priestess Shadow MQ, No Direct Commands and Jack Frost when?

[dreamy orchid]

two of them can kill any tiara guaranteed while doing a combined 100 damage to the boss

[dreamy orchid]

i have the file saved

[celest kindle]

Pretty sure Shio did that

[dreamy orchid]

its gonna be uploaded like, tomorrow

[native garden]

Do you want to see Mitsuru use Marin Karin for 5 minutes?

[dreamy orchid]

same with arqa 1 battles

the fucking

[native garden]

Ah

[celest kindle]

Put her on anything other than Act Freely

[dreamy orchid]

relic boss was 6 minutes long

[celest kindle]

The difference may surprise you

[dreamy orchid]

genuinely most horrifying boss of all time

i got saved by the conserve sp fix too, so thank you meovv

akipeako carried

[celest kindle]

I was tryna do a rerun of that boss bcs i kinda went rlly slow on it initially but i was having a bad day

[native garden]

You can’t say that. You haven’t gotten to Sleeping Table yet

[celest kindle]

Kept forgetting who was next in the cycle

[dreamy orchid]

sleeping table is a fraud in reload

he doesn't even have a single attacking skill

he only uses mahama and ailments

[native garden]

And Masukunda

[dreamy orchid]

masukunda??? bro is absolutely washed.

[celest kindle]

Mr Sakukaja will save the day

[native garden]

Whiffsona 3 Reload: Master Quest Edition

[dreamy orchid]

thinking of doing emperor/empress rn

im kind of out of it tho

sore lol

[native garden]

Just do it another day

[dreamy orchid]

it'd be funny tho

[native garden]

or wait until another hotfix comes out idk

[dreamy orchid]

no emperor/empress will be easy

[celest kindle]

Hotfix for what

[dreamy orchid]

i haven't attempted it yet but ik it'll be the easiest boss yet lol

[native garden]

Yea it would be funny to see Akihiko gets knocked out so Kaze no Koe would be like “I told you Akihiko is mid”

[dreamy orchid]

akihiko does suck

[native garden]

You jinxed it mate

[dreamy orchid]

but like, he can be kind of helpful

he will be terrible in this fight tho

no strike vulnerability on empress means he is kind of washed

he can tarunda and dia spam though ig

[celest kindle]

He has elec for emperor though

[native garden]

But he could go for a lighting weakness on Emperor

[celest kindle]

Ye but that's

[native garden]

if Emperor ends up being weak to it

[dreamy orchid]

yea but i'd prefer to just nuke empress frame 1

[celest kindle]

1 weakness out of 2

While Junpei and Protag can usually go for 2

[dreamy orchid]

at least junpei and i can do it

[celest kindle]

If the priestess is in the mood to be slashed

[dreamy orchid]

i have holy arrow for pierce but slash would be nice for junpei/protag combo

[celest kindle]

You don't have a slash persona?

[dreamy orchid]

oh god i just realised

tactics akimidko/junfraud are gonna attack into drains

[dreamy orchid]

i do

[native garden]

[dreamy orchid]

i was saying slash would be better but pierce can still be doable

[celest kindle]

Ah

[native garden]

Bc nullifying attacks is not enough. Gotta make everything else be drains

Like that stupid gold hand in Adamah

[dreamy orchid]

dw though it'll be fine

[iron pilot]

just theurgia

[celest kindle]

Pretty sure it's only drain all in the first 2 turns

Wait no

Not even drain all

Reflect All

[native garden]

Even better

“Why are you hitting yourself?”

[celest kindle]

I guess you could technically avoid one of them taking damage on tactics by reflecting one on yourself

Granted that is only gonna work for one out of the 2 exploitable weaknesses in your party

[native garden]

Worst case scenario is Empress is weak to light or dark because those are 2 magic spells I hardly use

[celest kindle]

I always thought people aimed for covering all the elements before getting to bosses lol

You don't have anybody with either of those??

[native garden]

Only MC with light and dark

And ice

shit, I need to get my Jack Frost for Ice

[celest kindle]

I was talking about personas but close enough

Are you doing low level or something

How many Personas do you have?

[native garden]

Not really

[celest kindle]

What level are you

[native garden]

I think about 6?

[native garden]

Everyone level 15 and Aki is level 16

[celest kindle]

I'd think you have enough space to fit at least one of every mag element with that

[native garden]

I pretty sure I do. It just a matter of not getting RNG’d out of a victory

and I’m switching from Psycho Anthem over Master of Shadow because I wanted that for the Hermit fight not for Emperor and Empress

[dreamy orchid]

world's most scuffed shuffle time

[native garden]

Blessed*

[iron pilot]

how did that happen

tf

[celest kindle]

Meovv decided to keep quick Arcana Burst

You can hunt for Arcana Burst

While searching for the Fuuker

[iron pilot]

yeah but it shouldn't be a gap of 1 cards to 5 cards

[celest kindle]

What's missing?

Oh wait

That's what you mean

I think the 1 is 1 because it's the 1 of the like

5 stack

[hollow trail]

no clue how that happened

[celest kindle]

I had that happen more than once actually

[hollow trail]

i wonder how free the game's gonna become once you get theurgy access

easier for sure

[celest kindle]

First when i died and second on my winning run

[dreamy orchid]

arcana burst during the segment before emperor/empress

[hollow trail]

ah that explains it

i don't think you're supposed to get shuffle times in this boss

[dreamy orchid]

also i got agilao on pyro jack lmao

[native garden]

The scripted segment of all time

[dreamy orchid]

is emperor ever vulnerable to fire

or is that a waste 😔

[native garden]

Achsually, he’s Jack O Lantern

[hollow trail]

Fire, Elec, Light/Dark

[celest kindle]

It is

[dreamy orchid]

oh thats peak

this will be so free

[celest kindle]

Not having fire-elec would be weird

Do know that Emperor doesn't alternate

[iron pilot]

you get them but you're supposed to dodge engagement

like in OG

[celest kindle]

The shadows are all extremely low level and do pitiful damage

They're legit like thebel shadows 😭

They're so underleveled to the point MC dodged basically every attack

With the exception of 2

And that's across all the fights i went through

[native garden]

Thx ATLUS

[celest kindle]

Was it like that in vanilla I don't remember

And also i think in Vanilla you wouldn't be able to get Arcana Burst

Because the chances there are normal

[iron pilot]

in vanilla you get enemies from yabasshah in that section

[celest kindle]

And there's not that many encounters

I got the Maya that's weak to slash, Maya that's weak to Ice and Tiara that's weak to Wind

On MQ

[iron pilot]

nah I mean

OG P3

[celest kindle]

o

[native garden]

OG P3 FES

[celest kindle]

Can't see why it couldn't be that in OG P3

Don't remember what i got when i played that section on Vanilla

I think they were stronger shadows but i might be misremembering

At least i remember it being shadows i hadn't encountered

[dreamy orchid]

okay, beat them first try

that fight was easy af lol

[hollow trail]

yes it's intended to be simple

it's a tutorial

lol

[dreamy orchid]

there was one funny moment where akihiko had nothing to do on heal/support, and so attempted to basic attack an enemy he knew repelled strike

[celest kindle]

He forgor

[dreamy orchid]

yea ik but still its a breath of fresh air after priestess lmao

[hollow trail]

well you have theurgy in the next boss

so

i'm sure it'll get comfier from here

[dreamy orchid]

having media on protag really seals the deal on this being a cakewalk too lmaooo

[hollow trail]

[dreamy orchid]

literally anyone gets in danger and i can just media

[dreamy orchid]

oh definitely

although tbh

aki will suffer from his awful theurgia

in lovers at least

it'll be baller for chariot/justice tho

[hollow trail]

it's not a bad theurgy tbqh

[dreamy orchid]

well in lovers battle it's just flat out worse than everyone else's

[hollow trail]

well yes

but you made the choice to take him

oh wait

[dreamy orchid]

might bring mitsuru for it but like tactics can't guard so...

[hollow trail]

i just realized

you are FUCKED

[dreamy orchid]

how so?

[hollow trail]

lovers 100% guaranteed crits yukari turn one

stack defense on her lol

you cant guard

[dreamy orchid]

lol i will rakukaja her and have akimidko do tarunda

[hollow trail]

i remember that shit was doing 390 dmg

[dreamy orchid]

maybe she will sukunda over theurgia on heal/support too?

[hollow trail]

holy arrow cant miss i dont think

[dreamy orchid]

it'll be fine either way tho

i'll have recarm by then

[hollow trail]

yes

[dreamy orchid]

im excited for that boss

anyways

[hollow trail]

hierophant is also a little dangerous

[dreamy orchid]

junpei/aki are levels 16 and 17

protag is 19

and yukari is 14 lmao

[hollow trail]

mazionga and makouga

[dreamy orchid]

mitsuru joins at 20 right

[hollow trail]

idk

[dreamy orchid]

aki did literally nothing in that fight btw im crying

literal tarunda/dia bot the entire fight

[hollow trail]

that is something

💀

[dreamy orchid]

it had fire weakness up at the start

so it was just junpei/protag chaining all out attacks

while aki spams support lmao

[hollow trail]

that's not him doing nothing tho

it's a synergy

[dreamy orchid]

tarunda pretty goated there though

makes emperor not a threat at all

yea ik but i just mean like he didn't get to attack once lmao

until the very end where i let him out of pity

[hollow trail]

did you get to see empress/emperor synergizing or nah

[iron pilot]

just

guard

[dreamy orchid]

the only synergy i saw was ailment followed up by phys

[hollow trail]

yep thats the main one

[dreamy orchid]

luckily though, getsu-ei did not crit junpei even with distress on him

so he lived

[hollow trail]

also tarukaja but you tarunda'd so it cancelled out

[dreamy orchid]

if it did crit he might've died tho

[hollow trail]

that's intended

[dreamy orchid]

cus tarunda wasn't up

but yeah akihiko support botting is def the play

plus you get 2 free turns for junpei to do rakukaja at the start

so everyone has buff/debuff

[hollow trail]

i don't see that as an issue tbh

[dreamy orchid]

nah i like it

lets you set up well

granted, you need to know ahead of time to do this

but i imagine if you died and replayed, you would sus it out

[hollow trail]

that's the idea

if you get trolled once you realize why you were trolled and untroll yourself

it's discoverable, not rng