#Persona 3 Reload | Master Quest

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hollow trail
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lots of damage yes

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oneshot no

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but tbf i am running an ass build

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on purpose

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here

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So this might be the sweetspot for damage settings

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maybe a tweak here and there but i think this is it

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omg

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i accidentally found fear strats in strega1

iron pilot
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Remember, rakukaja > tarukaja here

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So if it were really neutral buffs, Ken would have died

hollow trail
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hmmm

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still not sure how i feel about these values

iron pilot
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I mean, I beat it

hollow trail
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did it feel much worse

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my concern is i dont want enemies to oneshot the player just because they dont have a buff

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so toning down might be needed

iron pilot
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In terms of damage dealt, it isn't really that bad

In terms of damage taken, the damage isn't that bad when you have buffs and debuffs active.

hollow trail
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yeah but forcing 100% buff uptime is not very good

iron pilot
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Yeah agreed, keep in mind I have Fuuka's 2nd characteristic too

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On the other hand though, this is level 80 or somethin'

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On the reaper

hollow trail
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hmm

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how about

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1.6x on damage taken, so it's a 0.1x increase similar to how damage dealt went from 0.6x to 0.5x

weak and crit 1.45x

iron pilot
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A bit lowering of weak/crit and a bit of increase on neutral seems fine to me

hollow trail
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basically just increase everything by 0.1x compared to vanilla

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Enemy DMG: 1.5x -> 1.6x
Player DMG: 0.6x -> 0.5x
Weakness: 1.36x -> 1.45x
Crit: 1.34x -> 1.45x
Ailment (Player): 0.8x -> 1x
Ailment (Enemy): 1.2x (No change)

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think this is better?

iron pilot
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I think so

hollow trail
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ok i guess we do that

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and then increase if we feel like it's too little

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we cant reduce more or its literally vanilla again

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lol

hollow trail
iron pilot
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Being able to run low HP members like Yukari/Mitsuru/Ken and surviving is the idea

hollow trail
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that was the plan

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i'd make damage 2.0x if i didnt care

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but all it does is force buffs and tanky members

iron pilot
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Yeah I think this should be fine

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Let's try a Nyx fight with this

hollow trail
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lol reaper still oneshot my ken with these settings

iron pilot
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Do you have Fuuka's characteristic tho

hollow trail
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yeah this is 1/31

iron pilot
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Damn

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What level

hollow trail
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oh right he was lower here

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let me check

iron pilot
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It's just a matter of HP pool so max safety boots help

hollow trail
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89 with 461 hp

iron pilot
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Oh, it must have high rolled

hollow trail
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yeah just tried again and it didnt roll nearly as hard

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711 damage crit on mitsuru tho lmao

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vile assault

iron pilot
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I have level 80 Ken on this one

hollow trail
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this is with the new 1.6x?

iron pilot
hollow trail
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oh so now it should be marginally better

iron pilot
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So it should be better now

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Yeah

hollow trail
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and this was with auto marakukaja

iron pilot
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Yeah

hollow trail
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guess i gotta try priestess again

iron pilot
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I'm gonna try Nyx

hollow trail
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happens often in vanilla too

iron pilot
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Eh?

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maximum firepower crit for the first time ever

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hollow trail
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priestess is not being nice

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this is overleveled btw

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vanilla save

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agi jak fost will really save the day

iron pilot
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Jack Frost with Agi

hollow trail
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you could...

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technically

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arcade machine all of april

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and may

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but then you'd miss out on social stat

iron pilot
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Uh, ok

Nyx definitely still doable with late 80s members

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I'm using a phys party so my dps is at its lowest

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Armageddon is a more enticing option if you didn't prep enough mirrors (me)

iron pilot
dreamy orchid
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small correction btw, the baseline weakness multiplier is actually 1.25x, not 1.5x

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crits are stronger lol

hollow trail
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irrelevant for this purpose but noted

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thx

dreamy orchid
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np

native garden
hollow trail
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because its not possible to be under level 80 by the time you reach nyx

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literally

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too much xp

iron pilot
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It's designed to be 90s but 80s is doable

native garden
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Oh…

inland crystal
hollow trail
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gl

native garden
hollow trail
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im making erebus level 1

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in fact

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im making the whole game level 1

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Critical Mode EXP Zero

iron pilot
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I have a feeling that the dlc drops at 25

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Why?

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Idk

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It seems funny to drop that date

native garden
native garden
hollow trail
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it would be so ass

native garden
hollow trail
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it'd be ass because it would just be throwing level 1 magics at bosses with 10k hp

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sure they're weak too

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but its just slow

native garden
iron pilot
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I still think it's dumb but hilarious that an atlus server is gonna do a reload quiz at friday midnight

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I'd win.

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Prize is a p25 tshirt

hollow trail
iron pilot
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Buying rose bouquet is optimal (SP items)

hollow trail
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i did

iron pilot
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Yeah we can win this no deaths with takoyaki

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Just gotta get into the gambler's spirit

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Junpei can also get away using damage items at some points

hollow trail
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this was like

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relatively high effort build

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i ranked kenji to 7

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used arcade on nekomata to rush thebel

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used urls

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and it was tight

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i think this is good

iron pilot
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Jack Frost with Agi.

hollow trail
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i mean

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thats what the effort went towards

iron pilot
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Exactly

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Where does Garula card appear again

hollow trail
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some random ass chest on like floor 18

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after the boss

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not the boss floor

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after

iron pilot
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It would have been funny if it was Zionga

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Would have been perfect for an Arqa 1 boss

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Or two

hollow trail
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lol

iron pilot
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Oh well, there's Zouchouten for that

native garden
dreamy orchid
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he does

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its just a glitch that can happen lol

native garden
native garden
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Also I wouldn’t be surprised if this doesn’t work in MQ anymore

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iron pilot
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It's some weird thing but for some reason

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Special skills will do dodge anims even though they null the element of the thing

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For example, null fear on the reaper's evil smile

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Ice storm, as shown

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Some of Liz's ailments

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Also that's literally me in the ss

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That shit's removed now so the optimal damaging tool is Garula (card) or Sonic Punch (Fusing Jack Frost)

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Technically though you can hit level 10 so Valkyrie is usable with higher St

dreamy orchid
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meovv went for more of a quick kill than survivability

iron pilot
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You have takoyaki and ma- items

dreamy orchid
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if you use tarunda and/or rakukaja, you are def safe

iron pilot
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Ez gg

dreamy orchid
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nah fuck takoyaki

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literally just yukari dia can sustain you

iron pilot
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Takoyaki allows you to be more aggressive frfr

dreamy orchid
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it also requires me to spend my hard earned yen so erm... not gonna happen

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but yeah sonic punch seems like the best pick if you didn't get the rng garula card

native garden
dreamy orchid
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20% chance

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and yukari has patra

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its definitely the most effective means of healing there

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but its unneeded

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just buff/debuff lol

native garden
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Yea…

celest kindle
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on my winning priestess fight nobody died

iron pilot
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we will not be using tarunda

dreamy orchid
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jack fraud without agi

hollow trail
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(you still can, but enemy damage was increased 10%, weakness damage another 10% and player damage reduced 10%)

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I'd have gone higher but it was legit pushing the limits

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forcing buffs is restrictive af

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especially when there's turn1's and debuff dispels and ai doing buff setups now

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even if you fully buff you'll get hit eventually

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so instead of "no buffs = NUKED" it just means you buff to take less damage which means less healing which means more SP sustainability

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if you don't buff and just spam heal you'll run out

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which is arguably fine for ken but that's a special case

celest kindle
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hmmmmmmm

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I think i still have my save just before the priestess fight

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I will install the update to try it out of curiosity to how it is

iron pilot
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Jack Frost with Agi

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oh yeah btw I just tried Nyx solo at 90 again with the changes

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same idea but you can't one shot phases reliably anymore without debuffs so that's good

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I think I'll post that one, it's fun

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I guess logically doing with party's next

hollow trail
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triple theurgy attac

iron pilot
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You can technically still do it but you need max stats

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Oh wait they're weakness turns

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I think they'll barely be able to

hollow trail
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ah aight

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ik mitsuru had to roll really high for hers to IK

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but i had mid build

iron pilot
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Well Junpei can do it

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2.4K with debilitate

iron pilot
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Ok it's still beatable with a party of level 80 members in both phys and mag

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Yukari was level 81, it's actually hilarious

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It definitely takes longer though

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Before I managed to get it to 30s but now it's 42

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And I used Armageddon to do that

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Let's face it though, everyone's gonna be 99

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Also did it no cookie

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I don't think using Ken will lessen the length since the previous phases in general got longer

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Which is good

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For the last one I'll just do it solo but protag only with my best save

compact plinth
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priestess on MQ done through sheer dumb luck

hollow trail
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GJ

compact plinth
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for whatever reason priestess summoned 4 waves

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and they were all skeptical tiaras

hollow trail
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that is a thing that can happen

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that is bad luck

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lol

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or good

compact plinth
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and i just so happened to have a bunch of mazio gems on me

hollow trail
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depending on your magic

compact plinth
hollow trail
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despairing is probably the worst

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since it's the one weak to agi

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well

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there's jack frost with agi

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but if you dont have that yeah

compact plinth
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i slammed a bunch of magic on jack frost

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goated

hollow trail
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did you do it on the latest pinned version

compact plinth
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i think

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5.4.0

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is that the right one

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oh there's already updates

hollow trail
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we're up to 5.5.2, yea

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the changes are minimal

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enemies do about 10% more damage

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being hit with a weakness is also 10% worse

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you're 10% weaker

celest kindle
hollow trail
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some enemies at the end are lv85 so you can grind

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thats about it

hollow trail
celest kindle
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I'd maybe use someone else but I'd have to stay in Tartarus for way too long

compact plinth
hollow trail
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who garu'd him

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tiaras?

compact plinth
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yeah

celest kindle
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They can come out garupilled

hollow trail
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if there's two despairing, kill one, knock the second one down then guard

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i guess

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or rakukaja

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there's some luck here but i think it's preferable to the weaknesses being predetermined

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spices it

compact plinth
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whatever it's 2am, im going to leave the update to the next full moon

hollow trail
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that one's maybe a little too much trolling

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it's not hard (because it's a tutorial)

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but it might troll some players on first attempt

compact plinth
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i wonder what kind of trolling im getting

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it can't be as bad as p3p just having emperor weak to all magic

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iirc

hollow trail
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the weaknesses are tighter than vanilla

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only hint i'll give is: Mitsuru and Yukari couldn't dent it for a reason

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also fuuka SP bar is tiny

compact plinth
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i've already played vanilla reload

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i thought there was going to be something spicy in mq

hollow trail
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empress/emperor is hard to spice up

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its very on-rails

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best i could do was make them hit you a bit harder, be tankier, and troll you harder with the affinities

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there's some buff synergy too

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but nothing insane

celest kindle
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I'd assume random affinities would be a way to change up that fight

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Isn't it like

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Scripted in Vanilla

hollow trail
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it's worse than scripted

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it's almost entirely on rails

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they lose all HP before they can swap affinities again

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and their desperation move disables changing

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so more often than not you will never encounter that

celest kindle
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Oh

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Oof

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I'm guessing you didn't go for trying to make it have something like random affinities due to having to write AI for it

hollow trail
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i made them have 3 sets of affinities

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they rotate in random order

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never repeat

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and also never weak to ice or wind

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also never weak to one of the phys types, i forgot

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so phys is on a strict on/off state

celest kindle
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I think they're weak to strike and slash

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ic ic

celest kindle
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Sometimes

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That's prolly where a lot of people get a bunch of damage in to kill them

hollow trail
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biggest troll is i made the first phase ||repel all elements|| so someone playing blind will ||waste fuuka's sp|| and then learn to ||wait for next cycle|| on second attempt

celest kindle
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Tbf if they don't rlly 100% on her to get damage done they'd probably test some basic mag that they have

compact plinth
celest kindle
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Then realize it is probably repel all when Akihiko's turn is over

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Though given the recent damage buff people might be discouraged to do that

hollow trail
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from my testing if you're optimal fuuka's sp lets you scan the first couple cycles

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then you have to sorta guess and remember the pattern cuz she's tired

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super easy to find out tho

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phys is always alternating between pierce and slash(?)

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then mc/junpei/aki cover every other possible element

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shift when you figure it out

native garden
native garden
hollow trail
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it doesnt change anything that would conflict lol

native garden
celest kindle
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I mean depends on the mod

ashen pulsar
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but is it compatible with aYukari_HN

dreamy orchid
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of course

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if it weren't, it wouldn't be a very good mod

ashen pulsar
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meow meow only makes the best mods 🙌

native garden
native garden
compact plinth
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the takoyaki stand dialogue misgenders femc

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because of the "oops it's 1100 yen" edit

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can just make another mod that fixes it

iron pilot
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I love scamming the shit out of highschool kids

hollow trail
iron pilot
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Yukari can't output 2K damage

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Skill issue

compact plinth
compact plinth
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or maybe it's just me and my skill issues

celest kindle
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Isn't Gem damage proportional to your mag?

inland crystal
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maybe in og p3

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but in p3r its fixed damage like in p4/p5

iron pilot
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It's been fixed damage since OG P4

ashen pulsar
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p3p fusion spells scaling on stats but not boosts

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or buffs

iron pilot
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these are the newer damage tresholds

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You can't do a two sets of turns death strat anymore

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What you can do is intentionally get the protag down'd immediately after a King and I to get the needed damage and then get theurgia up back as fast as possible to do armageddon immediately

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You need a fire weak persona for this, I'd imagine

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So it's more like 5 sets of turns now

hollow trail
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seems good to me

dreamy orchid
ashen pulsar
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sexo

hollow trail
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jack frost with agi

compact plinth
iron pilot
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Yeah probably good to lock in on those numbers now

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If you ask me

hollow trail
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you think the numbers are right then

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on both sides

iron pilot
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It is a skill issue if Yukari dies to a Thunder Reign

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Everyone's not on level and it's doable, it should be fine

hollow trail
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good

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didnt really want to push damage any higher since it already feels like it's on the limit of what's acceptable

iron pilot
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It's still true in this one

celest kindle
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Forgot this image existed

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Didn't Junpei get some hits due to the Phys nerfs in MQ?

iron pilot
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Yeah kinda, but it still hits hard with crit setup

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Aigis' is stronger but basically can't crit

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So if you want reliable damage, you go magic

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For bosses that can't be hit with ailments, this is the play

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And Junpei just happens to be the best mage out of all of them

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Lmfao

native garden
celest kindle
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Junpei Iori

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Ace Detective

native garden
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A detective that is soooo great that he gets benched as soon as you get Mitsuru and Fuuka

celest kindle
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Hop off the GOAT

hollow trail
dreamy orchid
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why would you bench junpei for mitsuru lmao

celest kindle
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Also what the fuck does Fuuka have to do with Junpei 😭

dreamy orchid
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mitsuru is fucking garbage

ashen pulsar
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yukari's garbage?

celest kindle
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Mitsuru can help out with ice coverage but that's situational if anything

dreamy orchid
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you can bench yukari, mitsuru or akihiko and you choose to bench junpei

dreamy orchid
celest kindle
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Early game usually covers 2 or 3 though

dreamy orchid
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in this game he takes longer to get pierce

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in p3 he had all three before level 20

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now he needs to wait til 25

celest kindle
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Yeah he covers Slash, Strike and Fire

dreamy orchid
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he also covers aoe slash really early in this one lol

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so he's basically a must run for early tartarus

celest kindle
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Well true but that's slash just aoa lol

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Pretty sure he gets vacuum slash like

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Even before you get Fuuka

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I think I visited Tartarus twice since the first boss and he has it

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(On MQ at least)

dreamy orchid
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he gets it at level 13

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which is basically start of arqa 1

celest kindle
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Arqa's like...

native garden
celest kindle
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The second block right?

dreamy orchid
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right after thebel

celest kindle
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That looks freaky and purple

celest kindle
iron pilot
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Nah bench Akihiko

dreamy orchid
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don't bench aki

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akihiko is good moral support

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bench yukari 😈

iron pilot
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Proven Akihiko's a fraud until one fight in Tziah and two in Harabah

celest kindle
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No point in benching when you can barely have a team comp

iron pilot
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Nah rage bow and pulinpa contributes in the arqa 2

celest kindle
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4 chars is a full team so i just bring everyone

dreamy orchid
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bench everyone besides junpei frame 1

celest kindle
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Junpei only run where there is no protagonist and you play as Junpei

dreamy orchid
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more xp on protag means less grinding for me ShioHappy

celest kindle
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(Persona 3 Spin-Off)

dreamy orchid
native garden
dreamy orchid
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nah his lines are good

iron pilot
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Dub L?

dreamy orchid
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common it seems

celest kindle
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His lines are good even on dub

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So i must say you have skill issue sadly

iron pilot
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You can't tell me this is bad

dreamy orchid
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JUNPEI CRAAAASH!

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he's peak

celest kindle
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I think he says "Junpei Smash" in dub which is also cool

iron pilot
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Oh actually

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This tells us how much the change with 0.5x base damage did

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I think that's 20% decrease?

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Or 15%

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Idk!

iron pilot
hollow trail
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good fight

iron pilot
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maybe the update drops tomorrow

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it's a full moon

hollow trail
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Tru

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uh

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no

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full moon was yesterday

iron pilot
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wdym yesterday

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oh wait I get it now

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nah I'm rite u rong

celest kindle
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Ok so i still ain't that sold on OG Oracle but Fuuka just recovered all my SP when i was low on it so erm

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Fuuka Oracle may be goated

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(in FES)

iron pilot
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They're the same

ashen pulsar
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bothdoors

iron pilot
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Who?

iron pilot
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Oh yeah I tried Liz again with the changes

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And it's still doable, I just removed mastery from the attacking personas except Baal Zebul

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Although the SP conservation bit is a bit funny

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I limited myself to not go below 400 SP (means I have 345 effectively)

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Telos with Invig hard required

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I tried phys only and that didn't work out so well, second phase can't be bypassed without crit scarlet havoc

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And the HP aspect is pretty hard to get through

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Possible though

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You can also just use almighty or ice to get through for that bit

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But it's not phys only lol

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You can get charge from fuuka I guess and use that

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Overall it's just the same fight but you can actually die even if you're not doing restrictions

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Oh yeah someone can just use items for buffs and debuffs

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That would allow me to use regular magic with the SP restriction

iron pilot
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had a random crash where Aigis with a karn while Nyx is on hermit

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it didn't happen again though

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expected damage from phys mfs

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without max stats

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yeah Junpei kinda garbage without crit ngl lmfao

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1.3K without it

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Basically phys Junpei is only good with Koro

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26% crit rate isn't that bad for this kind of thing

icy ferry
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agis :3

hollow trail
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level 93

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aki junpei ken

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no real fusion, but strike boost+amp on aki, null wind on junpei

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about 1 million put into items to conserve sp

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was pretty good

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used incenses though to see what it would be like

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most challenge was in negating and countering what the boss was going to do next

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basically as long as you played along, damage would be mitigated

hollow trail
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Shuffle Time revamp

  • Major arcanas are now always guaranteed to appear. Each card has a 50% chance to become an additional Major arcana.

  • Persona and Minor cards are equally split, but only 1 persona per shuffle may appear

Semi-experimental, to see if the effect is simply positive (removal of grind) and not negative, as the level softcap already makes normal battles kind of pointless to grind through

📎 P3R_Master_Quest5.5.3.7z
hollow trail
hollow trail
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tried again to record and got fucking rekt twice lmaooo

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tbf i was greedy with trying to repel strat

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so i didn't tarunda

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but damn i got combod

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kills ken, i have to samarecarm

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ken dies again (while guarding)

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mc gets critted and dizzy

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junpei tries protecting mc with a attack mirror

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nyx attacks mc twice

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gg

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if you let nyx score one mores on you it's over

iron pilot
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Yeah I generally don't bother with increased repel damage for those levels

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Hope for the best

Masukukaja always active
Always debilitate Nyx

hollow trail
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definitely playing safe is the strat here

iron pilot
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That's how I deal with it generally

hollow trail
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if you have all buff/debuff the damage is way more palatable

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also junpei is fucking ass here

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doing like half of Aki's dmg

iron pilot
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At best you get a window to make the others attack with tarukaja (although protag can't attack without Tarukaja up)

hollow trail
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i wasn't doing masukukaja but unironically might be the strat

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since nyx prefers bufu on aki

iron pilot
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Ken is there gathering theurgia for the heal in 3 turns

hollow trail
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yeah ken was spamming that sht

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i wonder if replacing junpei with yukari would work

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aki ken yukari

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mitsuru and koro seem like the only bad picks here

iron pilot
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Depends on the build

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Magic Junpei ≈ Akihiko normally last I checked

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But with stat boosts Junpei gets to be better 100%

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Mitsuru and Koro aren't bad picks imo, just that the former has less benefits if you prep'd concentrate herbs and the latter is merely support for phys (which isn't the most ideal in this fight for normal stats)

hollow trail
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regardless i am very satisfied with this boss

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better than i expected

iron pilot
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Yeah I think it's fun to solo and to have a party up

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Takaya is fun too I think

celest kindle
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Solo Takaya sounds tough

hollow trail
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hope the rest of the game holds up as well

iron pilot
celest kindle
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Oh fr?

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Can u link

iron pilot
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You need to have Armageddon with Enduring Soul though if you don't have max HP

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But yeah you can do it

celest kindle
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A

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Doesn't he also SP drain

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How would you get around that?

iron pilot
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Use phys and items

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And you need invigs to heal because if you just use phys you'll die from a drain

celest kindle
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So Phys only from there onwards

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I guess it does spice up proceedings in an interesting way

iron pilot
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The meta personas to create aligns perfectly to how he's designed (mostly the supports being regens/invig bots)

iron pilot
celest kindle
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I would say you'd need a gambling addiction for that but then i remembered you have a gambling addiction for that

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I did see the King and I dmg u pulled on your vids

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Crazy stuff

iron pilot
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Well without it it's on par with Scarlet Havoc without crit

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Overall though you'd be using Scarlet Havoc in that case

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17% crit is pretty lucrative with those circumstances

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You do similar damage to magic or crit and get bigger damage, sounds good to me

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With Mastery though King and I is just objectively better

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I don't think you need theurgia to win, thinking of it

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It'll be a slog but yeah no theurgia in these cases is possible

iron pilot
dreamy orchid
iron pilot
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He's not running any boosts for that matter

dreamy orchid
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isn't he doing both boost + amp on aki

iron pilot
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No I mean Junpei

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Maybe slash boost sword but that's about it

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Magic Junpei's better for Nyx fr

dreamy orchid
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absolute insanity opinion

iron pilot
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Tf do you mean insane

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Literally true

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Phys Junpei can't kill a phase without crit

dreamy orchid
#

you'd have to agidyne on your off turns lol

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phys junpei is more reliable for sustained damage

iron pilot
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Nah I actually use brave blade, better theurgia buildup that way

dreamy orchid
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yeah but the damage would be dogshit

iron pilot
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Yeah that doesn't matter, protag with concentrated magic should do 1K

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His dogshit damage is enough to deal 500

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Even then, there's also stalling in certain phases to build theurgia

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I use emperor, chariot and strength

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Hanged man is gonna kill people if they don't realize that karns are abusable fr

dreamy orchid
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well real patriots will be using ken either way

iron pilot
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Not meta party soz

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Akihiko/Junpei/Yukari better trust

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I did try Ken out again with phys members and that didn't go so well

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I picked phys because charge herbs are way easier to come by compared to magic herbs

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Although in hindsight, the 4 I have is enough for Junpei

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I should have ran magic Junpei and Aigis and Ken

dreamy orchid
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Ken is the easiest way to win and gives you the most leeway

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so i think he's pretty hard meta lol

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especially for less skilled players and those who aren't doing quick-kill strats (will be most players since MQ isn't exactly based upon them)

iron pilot
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Faster theurgia buildup is good trust

dreamy orchid
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Ken has the fastest in the party tbf

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he can get it in 2 turns technically

iron pilot
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Yeah I demonstrated that

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Just that now since debuffs are hard required (with normal stats) to one shot phases, it's harder to manage his theurgia usage now

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That's why I took longer to kill

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I'll try magic junpei, aigis, ken later

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That's probably the best party that has Ken in it

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By later, I mean next week

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I'm fucked for the week

hollow trail
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bdjk is right, magic junpei is in fact better

dreamy orchid
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better for his theurgia but not in general

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the more consistent damage on brave blade would more than make up for it

hollow trail
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yes but aki is absolutely mogging junpei

dreamy orchid
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and im pretty sure Junpei with all boosts should beat Akihiko with all boosts, even with them both at 99

hollow trail
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junpei is an item bot

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no, he wouldn't

dreamy orchid
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but without 99 str Aki Junpei would dominate

hollow trail
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I'm telling you from experience

dreamy orchid
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You ran Junpei without amp!

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that doesn't make it a fair comparison

hollow trail
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and I'm telling you amp wouldn't do shit

ashen pulsar
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bdjk reference

dreamy orchid
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Junpei would be better on average especially if you factor in the crit rate diff

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he crits twice as much as Aki

hollow trail
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junpei would only outdamage with all boosts + crit, which fundamentally NEVER HAPPENS ON NYX

dreamy orchid
#

it can tho?

hollow trail
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aki on average will ALWAYS outdamage

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the odds are ass with this specific comp

iron pilot
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Junpeak just needs the phys for theurgia buildup

hollow trail
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it's like 5%

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aki on average will simply just outdamage

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even ziodyne is out damaging

dreamy orchid
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Junpei will crit more often though naotroll

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of course its outdamaging, you're not running amp!

hollow trail
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you're being bad faith this is a waste of time

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i wouldn't be here if i didn't already know the theoretical maximums

dreamy orchid
hollow trail
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the damage was extremely consistent, i can add mults after the fact and aki is STILL better

dreamy orchid
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the crit would def make it better, junpei's issue is his bad non-crit damage. but his crit rate is consistent enough for that to be irrelevant, even in MQ

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you'd need to run koro for it but when are you running phys users without koro unless they are akihiko

hollow trail
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yes IF YOU SET IT UP

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which this party DID NOT HAVE

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which was the whole point

dreamy orchid
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well yeah of course Junpei is worse in an unoptomised setup where none of his strengths are played to lol

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its like running yukari in a phys setup

hollow trail
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yeah and aki needs absolutely no optimization

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making him better on average with less effort

dreamy orchid
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which is good in that setup but im saying Junpei has a much higher peak

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so i don't think you should say he's bad just cus he didn't work in that comp

hollow trail
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A peak that will almost never hit on Nyx because not only are all crit rates mogged to shit, Nyx has innate crit /2 passive

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it hard counters junpei

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setting him up for crit is -1 turn

dreamy orchid
#

that just seems like a bandaid solution to make phys not completely mog magic tbh lol, but like even then, most of your crit rate comes from additive buffs that MQ doesn't edit

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you still have a free +25%, and i'm unsure if sharp student even effects additives or only the base like apt pupil does

hollow trail
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Personally I think you're going off of bias and theory while bdjk and I actually did put hundreds of hours into it

dreamy orchid
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if i get around to doing base game nyx then i will test every character in MQ version

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but I don't think Junpei is nearly as weak as you think lol

hollow trail
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I never said that

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he's fine

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aki simply outdamaged in the specific strat I was running, and to make junpei reach peak extra steps were needed which are a waste of turns

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i wasn't even running physical on aki

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he'd be charged for fast theurgy and only do god's hand on emergencies

dreamy orchid
#

I don't really get taking Junpei into a magic comp much, even with Blaze of Life build tbh, because Mitsuru seems like she'd be the better pick for consistent (bdjk ref) damage

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was it Aki/Yukari/Junpei like the bdjk comp

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or was it something else

hollow trail
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it was aki ken junpei

dreamy orchid
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ah

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well for a balanced team that works lol

iron pilot
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Nah yeet Akihiko I used Aigis

dreamy orchid
#

damage would be meh but i feel like that combo would be geared towards survivability

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nah yeet junpei for aigis lol

iron pilot
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Mostly because of how charged herbs work

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They're kinda interchangeable

dreamy orchid
#

if you want a team to just get through it smooth sailing, Aigis would be great cus of her defensive passives and better buffs

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meanwhile aki is a good all arounder with debilitate and Ken is haxman

hollow trail
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junpei was the only one consistently hitting shit damage

dreamy orchid
#

well i mean its meh in comparison to dps builds. looking at it objectively its still aight

hollow trail
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220

iron pilot
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I'm of the opinion that Junpei's good but you need to be risky and know what you're doing to feel that

dreamy orchid
#

I wouldn't run Junpei without Koro in MQ unless i were doing meme blaze of life strats because the 1% crit on hack n blast is pretty horrendous even with the free +10% additive

hollow trail
#

blaze of life will always outdamage

dreamy orchid
#

well yeah but you'd want phys junpei for consistent ( BDC ) damage

iron pilot
#

On average it would outdamage yeah, peak Hack and Blast is theoretically stronger though

hollow trail
#

even with the base power nerf

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?

iron pilot
#

Yep

dreamy orchid
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1.4x crit damage remember lol

iron pilot
#

without crit though it's garbage

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can't even one shot a phase

dreamy orchid
#

Just win the gamble naotroll

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26% is decent odds, we will be pumping all of our lu incenses into Junpei

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Do we have any confirmations on how sharp student works in this game btw

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get fucked

image.png
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yeah just half 1% CLUELESS

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it effectively does nothing against phys theurgias and only decreases brave blade and fraud's hand crit by 5%

iron pilot
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It rounds down when it's a decimal iirc

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So basically 0% if I have the right idea

dreamy orchid
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so at lowest its still 25% in phys party

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we'll take those odds 😈

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Aigis gets fucked by it though

iron pilot
#

Gonna be honest, I won't be running a pure phys party on this one

dreamy orchid
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15% crit headass

dreamy orchid
#

Aigis seems better as a tank/support than as a damage dealer here

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also if nyx has 99 lu then Aigis just isn't landing a crit

iron pilot
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She landed one when I was using her

dreamy orchid
#

well she obviously can land them but it'd be very low chance lol

hollow trail
dreamy orchid
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yea ik thats why included them as the same

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they feel like magic the way they are identical to each other lol

hollow trail
#

i wanted to standardize phys

iron pilot
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Run akasha arts fr

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It's actually kinda good to run if you're soloing and you're prioritizing raw damage

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From what I can tell

hollow trail
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i think the fortune section of death phase is bugged

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its doing dekaja on one more but i did kinda intend for it to just knock everyone down xd xd

hollow trail
iron pilot
#

Odd, I just recall it going for morning star when it knocks down my members

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Why do you have an archive of smt iv mfs praising a twitter post

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Honestly never heard this song in game lmfao

hollow trail
ashen pulsar
#

that seems like something hamamudotrue would send people

iron pilot
#

Honestly? Agreed.

hollow trail
iron pilot
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what's your Akihiko's kit

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I ain't seeing debuff amp skill

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oh

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you took that off for evade ice right

hollow trail
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wdym debuff amp

iron pilot
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debilitate

hollow trail
#

ziodyne
debilitate
god's hand
charge
elec boost
elec amp
evade ice
forgot 8th skill but its a passive

iron pilot
#

single target?

hollow trail
#

yes

iron pilot
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or high counter

hollow trail
#

nah it was singletarget booster

iron pilot
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I like how nyx dialogue adds 5 mins or someshit

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lmfao

hollow trail
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yeah

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yapper

iron pilot
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I have this one file just named Ken

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37 mins

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it included dialogue

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lmfao

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I'm guessing it's fire amp equip on Junpei

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and tonbo kiri Ken to null ailments

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that second bit is pretty important because it's a liz request

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any decent player should have that

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lmfaoooo

Screenshot_841.png
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Bro's keep on getting charge/concentrate

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3 in a row

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Oh. Morning Star moment

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Oh wait, do you not have Houo

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Zamn

hollow trail
#

i think i do

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just didnt use

iron pilot
#

A theurgia doing triple digit damage at this point hurts my soul

hollow trail
iron pilot
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Big brain idea

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Drain SP at the start

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Lmfao

hollow trail
iron pilot
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That's essentially what I do to Akihiko, thinking of it

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That's kinda hilarious

#

Akihiko's evade ice didn't proc in fortune

#

Arguably the best time to dodge because grim transcendence isn't active

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Btw what happens if you armageddon and it doesn't kill but there's the other member's turns

#

Overall it's a good fight given the materials, way less SP drain compared to the way I do it

#

the SP drain is for theurgia

hollow trail
#

well yeah but i already drained plenty by spamming tetrakarn and mediarahan

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ken was on sp condition for most of the fight

iron pilot
#

That's preferred

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I tend to drain his SP immediately with mediarahan

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At that point he should be getting theurgia in 3 turns, 2 twice if you keep endure/enduring soul

iron pilot
#

So uh, bruh moment

Ken.mp4 beats magic members.mp4

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By 2 mins

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And upon further inspection, it's because Junpei got crits in former while latter he didn't

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And a misinput in hanged man

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Lmfaoooo

iron pilot
#

Anyways I'll post Takaya/Jin solo so uhhh

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Just 30 mins, not that bad really

iron pilot
#

https://youtu.be/GahzrF01Zhs?feature=shared

YouTube
BothDoorsCares
Takaya/Jin Solo P3R Master Quest Mod (Persona 3 Reload, Merciless)

Now making the HP tresholds make sense.

These two weren't changed that much compared to vanilla in terms of their general movesets. However, they utilize their given moves in a better way. Takaya is overhauled in the sense that he feels like a genuine roadblock nowadays. And his theurgia is a genuine threat if not dealt with properly. I like th...

▶ Play video
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Holy shit it took a long time

hollow trail
#

man jin is boring solo lmfao

ashen pulsar
#

a

hollow trail
#

what

ashen pulsar
#

durnk

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srry

iron pilot
#

But it is noteworthy that a healer's hard required now

ashen pulsar
#

amada?

iron pilot
#

Yukari.

ashen pulsar
#

cockeba

iron pilot
#

Anyways Jin with party is fun

ashen pulsar
#

your fun bdjkl

iron pilot
#

You're being belligerent

ashen pulsar
#

ehat

native garden
iron pilot
#

healer is

celest kindle
#

If you're confused about hard-required I'd say it's because now a healer is required to get through

#

Mostly due to the fact that as it is now, MQ disables items

#

Jin would be able to barrage your party and without a healer you may not be able to out-heal his damage

inland crystal
#

uhhh

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simply use regenerate and drains

hollow trail
#

@ashen pulsar @iron pilot @dreamy orchid I am removing Skillcard Duplication

however I am very benevolent and want to program a new mechanic into the Inari Shrine

The stuff it does in FES are kinda incompatible with Reload since they're either covered by Fortunes or would break the game, such as giving party members more stat points (other than Junk item conversion, or, once Tiredness can be implemented, I can give them more stamina) so I'm not too sure what the stand-in mechanic can be

celest kindle
hollow trail
#

simply use spirit drain

celest kindle
#

I guess if u don't care abt that you can just phys him out

iron pilot
#

You want to remove skillcards?

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Interesting

hollow trail
#

no

celest kindle
hollow trail
#

i want to remove duplication

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i am not touching shuffle time

ashen pulsar
#

hi

iron pilot
#

Oh duplication

hollow trail
#

yes duplication

iron pilot
#

Well in terms of benefits the shrine could do

hollow trail
#

I had literally 4x of every card in the game by the end

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since i duped every day

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too op

iron pilot
#

I can't think of much lol

hollow trail
#

it has to be something that doesn't pass time either

iron pilot
#

A lot of the amenities I can think of is done by another facility already

hollow trail
#

yeah

celest kindle
#

Hmmm

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Well I don't know if it'd be feasible but would letting you get one of the Arcana Boosters right off the bat be a good idea?

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Not like the whole boost just one of the cards

hollow trail
#

not feasible + majors already guaranteed in MQ to drop on all battles

celest kindle
#

Was gonna mention it was probably not feasible but damn

#

Wasn't that a temporary change to see how that being guaranteed affects gameplay though

iron pilot
#

Funny fox spirit, just like P4 for

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Fr

hollow trail
iron pilot
#

Give HP/SP items

hollow trail
celest kindle
#

Oh

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Ok

iron pilot
#

Converting revival beads into something usable idk

celest kindle
#

That'd be kinda weird with the whole no-item toggle thing

iron pilot
#

This many of them will give sutras or somethin'

celest kindle
#

I think the idea of HP/SP items is def interesting though

hollow trail
iron pilot
#

Maybe drop herbs in there

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Because

#

Why tf is magic herb so rare

hollow trail
#

is it lol

iron pilot
#

Yeah you need to plant herb and specifically grow it with Fuuka

#

The default plant is a charge herb

#

So it's disproportionately common compared to the concentrate ver

hollow trail
#

maybe there's something p5 does that p3r doesnt

#

that wouldn't be as broken as card dupes

iron pilot
#

incense shop

#

Yeah I don't think so

hollow trail
#

LOLLLLLLL

#

i mean

#

p3r has that

iron pilot
#

It's money in P5

#

R

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Not gems

hollow trail
#

yeesh

iron pilot
#

How about material dupes

hollow trail
#

heart item?

iron pilot
#

Like instead of skill cards, it duplicates those funny materials for antique stuff

hollow trail
#

that's unironically a good idea

iron pilot
#

Yeah could include that too

hollow trail
#

idk how i'd make the menu work

#

but yea

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let me look at the code

#

I dont think duping heart items is that useful actually

iron pilot
#

It'd make growth 3 on material personas irrelevant (good)

hollow trail
#

you generally only need one

iron pilot
#

Except for Messiah and stuff, yeah

#

Those thingies you get from monad tho

hollow trail
#

OH THOSE

#

LOL

iron pilot
#

Or dead moon's husk specifically

hollow trail
#

that might unironically be cracked

iron pilot
#

It'd be beneficial and reduces grind

celest kindle
#

Is it still gonna be 1 material dupe-able per day?

hollow trail
#

yeah anything more would be op

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this is good cuz it will encourage duping to make gear

iron pilot
# hollow trail that might unironically be cracked

Nah I don't think it'll be, generally materials being duped only becomes relevant the moment they can appear and will be irrelevant afterwards

Liz request dropping one earlier than when you get it in tartarus might be a problem but that can be remedied by changing what she gives

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Also, people's preconceived notions of what's best gear will fuck them over in this one (mfs running auto tarukabellion shoes)

#

Ali Dance shoes will be a more accessible meta equip, thinking of it

hollow trail
#

wish there was a way to make heart items pop instantly on fusion tbh

iron pilot
#

Apparently they're coded in as skills?

#

Change what levels they drop to base level

#

Ez

hollow trail
#

oh yeah lmao

#

only reason i don't like heart items is because fusion search in p3r is fucking shit

#

having to resort to calc is bad design when smtv/smtiv/sh2 exist

iron pilot
#

IV fusion search kinda unwieldly

hollow trail
#

still better than p3r

dreamy orchid
hollow trail
#

thought about it

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no thank you

dreamy orchid
#

I guess it still has a similar fundamental issue

#

but its def an improvement

hollow trail
#

not enough of an improvement to be worth the absolute code nightmare

iron pilot
#

Randomize what cards the fox picks

#

Simple.

hollow trail
#

i am not adding savescum bait

iron pilot
#

Do it (it's funny)

dreamy orchid
#

make skill card duplication cost money like in p4g?

hollow trail
#

ima be real

iron pilot
#

EP system?

dreamy orchid
#

idk if it'd be possible to set it per card tho

iron pilot
#

Idk mate

hollow trail
#

shit's so meaninglessly cheap i forgot it even cost money

dreamy orchid
#

well in p4 it depends on which card it is

#

some of them are outrageously priced but all of the good ones are cheap af

hollow trail
#

(haha, fuck you)

dreamy orchid
#

idk what mechanic you could add though

hollow trail
#

doors already said

#

nihil dupe

dreamy orchid
#

i mean

#

similar issue to skill card dupe but its def less op

#

ig it works though

#

can't you also sell nihil items tho?

hollow trail
#

i dont think it's even remotely close to being as bad as cards

hollow trail
iron pilot
#

You mean the materials for crafting equips?

hollow trail
celest kindle
#

The crafting bases are a tad rarer since you have to go beat the Monad Bosses to get them

iron pilot
#

Iirc yeah

hollow trail
#

having more means you're more likely to go for gear

#

instead of hoarding

#

then never making

celest kindle
#

Yeah

hollow trail
#

especially dead moon's husk

#

can just spawn randomly

#

there's a savescum strat to infinite farm

iron pilot
#

1% rate btw

inland crystal
#

from what i remember the green chests are very rare though

#

yeah

iron pilot
#

Kys

celest kindle
#

Aren't green chests like

hollow trail
#

its qol

iron pilot
#

Green chests appear in monad doors or specific regular floors

celest kindle
#

The second tier or something

iron pilot
celest kindle
hollow trail
iron pilot
#

Fucker probably thought it'd be a cute Messiah Omnipotent Orb reference

celest kindle
#

I think getting gear might still feel a little grindy even with the duping but it would def help the issue of feeling like you need to hoard

hollow trail
#

ye i almost never made gear cuz it felt artificially scarce

iron pilot
#

Dead Moon Husk moment

#

Fallen Noble's Armor is meta tho frfr on god

celest kindle
#

I'm pretty sure i had like

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A bunch of crafting bases

#

But because i didn't have many materials i crafted like

#

Twice or thrice

hollow trail
celest kindle
#

Single digit number definitely

iron pilot
#

But I think they'll still get nailed if you don't keep the buffs/debuffs up

hollow trail
#

is that vishnu x4

iron pilot
#

Messiah x4

hollow trail
#

bro who's grinding 4 messiahs

#

ig you can compendium

iron pilot
#

I grinded 14

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With growth 3

#

Mfw

hollow trail
#

jfc

celest kindle
#

Chronic Fuser

iron pilot
#

I wanted everyone with armor of light/shoes of light tbf

#

Oh yeah Hanged Man God's Hand is somehow critting me all the time btw

#

Lmfao

#

Even with ali dance it kills my buffs

hollow trail
#

bro's cracked

#

cracked man

#

hanged crack

iron pilot
#

That thing has crit rate amp right

celest kindle
#

Oh god that sounds horrific with it being able to get more turns

iron pilot
#

It dekajas immediately so it kills my stacked buffs

#

I have backups for that, of course

#

But still it will fuck someone over less prepared

#

Which is good

hollow trail
#

oh yeah doors

#

apparently i can sorta hack my way in hex and change the mults of buffs

#

but i don't really see the benefit in doing so

iron pilot
#

Ehhh the buff numbers are aight

celest kindle
#

Wouldn't be much since they don't stack

hollow trail
#

i get they're stronger than fes

iron pilot
#

I don't see any benefits of changing them

hollow trail
#

but it also applies to enemies

#

no real point right?

iron pilot
#

Yeah no point

hollow trail
#

only thing i can think of is buff up x buff down doesn't cancel each other

#

but naotoshrug

iron pilot
#

Even if they're not uniform unlike before, the numbers being put out by them is still good

iron pilot
hollow trail
#

i get the logic behind nerfing Rakukaja and Tarunda, because you can basically take 0 damage if you always have it up, but that also means enemies can do it

iron pilot
#

Yeah but there's not much enemies that actively uses debuffs that way

hollow trail
iron pilot
#

Distress, I can think of some

inland crystal
iron pilot
#

But tarunda, only a couple of dudes at best

#

Anyways yeah don't change, no point

hollow trail
iron pilot
#

Hopefully those material dupes work

hollow trail
#

they should i'm just lookin through code

ashen pulsar
#

kisses

hollow trail
#

nope